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Old 01-03-2008, 05:59 PM   #11
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Samy, here is a Muslim man talking about how low self-esteem US women have for choosing their garb, and how in Islam forcing women to hide themselves is the more enlightened way or how doing so turns their women into queens.

As an aside, notice how at the beginning he says, "Peace be unto all Muslims." Like WTF!? Why only peace for them? But that is for another topic.

Here is his pleading on Muslim garb.

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Old 01-04-2008, 12:41 PM   #12
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As I see it, the problem with enforced veiling is that a minority of women, usually the better educated ones, don't want to do it. It probably doesn't make much difference to the majority one way or another, but the fact remains that it is an instance of the men dictating to the women.

I didn't have the patience to watch the entire video that TP posted (I thought all those guys yelled as fast as they can and at the top of their lungs ??). Keep in mind that he was talking about the headscarf (hijab - I think) , not a complete veiling. It has become a big issue in Europe, for schoolgirls. And I really can't disagree too much with some of the ideas about modesty.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:53 PM   #13
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As I see it, the problem with enforced veiling is that a minority of women, usually the better educated ones, don't want to do it. It probably doesn't make much difference to the majority one way or another, but the fact remains that it is an instance of the men dictating to the women.

I didn't have the patience to watch the entire video that TP posted (I thought all those guys yelled as fast as they can and at the top of their lungs ??). Keep in mind that he was talking about the headscarf (hijab - I think) , not a complete veiling. It has become a big issue in Europe, for schoolgirls. And I really can't disagree too much with some of the ideas about modesty.
You know what I find disagreeable about the video TP posted previous to your reply is that it is a guy talking about how women should dress. Kind of hard to put customs and religion aside here but in my opinion it should be left up to the woman to decide and not the guys around her.

Plus I have read articles and seen programs on TV about women who "like" wearing it, fine for them, but I also came away with the impression that it was pounded into their heads from childhood that they must be subservient to men's wishes. That I disagree with wholeheartedly.

If TP wants to play with fire, let him, he hides behind the internet to protect himself. But if he ever gets burned by something like this he should never roll his eyes and wonder why it is offensive.
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Old 01-04-2008, 01:13 PM   #14
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Here we go again. Using the word "Muslim" when what is really meant is Arabian.

I asked my friend why she wore all that garb. Note that at her family's home, the women wore jeans and T-shirts.

She told me that in her religion, (Islam) women are not forced to wear the garb, but they are encouraged to do so in public. She told me she enjoyed wearing it.

I think it is important in this global day in age that we understand no one lives in little perfect boxes, nor can any of us sound smart by placing them there.

PS...yes, Muslim women have vaginas and enjoy sex. Arab women? I dunno.
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Old 01-04-2008, 01:16 PM   #15
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Here we go again. Using the word "Muslim" when what is really meant is Arabian.
Question for you here; if this is the case then why do women in Iran wear it as well, they are not Arabian, in fact the Iranians I knew took offense at being refered to as such, they are Persian correct?

So isnt it a religious thing and not restricted to only Arabian's?
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Old 01-04-2008, 01:44 PM   #16
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Here is a burqa babe using her charm and good looks to be alluring...

C'mon now, you have to admit; she gives any of those Japanese ladies on that other NSFW thread a run for their money. I mean what you can't see is more for your imagination, and that has more value than already looking at the present virtually completely unwrapped.

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Old 01-04-2008, 01:51 PM   #17
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The commandment, or injunction, or strong recommendation, or whatever you want to call it, to dress modestly, applies to all Muslim women. The issue seems to be how it is interpreted. In the more authoritarian countries like Saudi and Iran it is taken to mean complete coverage in public and is enforced by an all-male force. In other countries (like Indonesia and Malaysia, and certainly subsaharan African countries that are predominantly muslim), it is voluntary. So it boils down to politics and women's rights, not religion, it seems to me = how much pushing around can people accept?

Regarding discussing this subject here, I think there was only one really offensive photo that conflates sex and religion. But keep in mind that Muslim men must be pretty steady consumers of pornography, or else it would not be outlawed in so many muslim countries.
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Old 01-04-2008, 02:08 PM   #18
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I asked my friend why she wore all that garb. Note that at her family's home, the women wore jeans and T-shirts.

She told me that in her religion, (Islam) women are not forced to wear the garb, but they are encouraged to do so in public. She told me she enjoyed wearing it.
Many women of Islam are indeed forced to wear Muslim garb such as the hajib and burqa -- and not just in Islamic countries. Some who defy their family's traditional beliefs on the point of matter are murdered for it -- like Canadian 16 yr-old Aqsa Parvez this recent December:

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Teen dead after alleged attack by father

Peel Regional Police on Tuesday released the name of a 16-year-old Mississauga teen who died after allegedly being attacked by her father.

Aqsa Parvez was found in her Longhorn Trail home on Monday morning without any vital signs.

Paramedics revived her and took her to Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children, where she died late Monday night.

Police said they received a call from a man who said he'd just killed his daughter.

The victim's father, Muhammad Parvez, 57, was arrested at the scene. He will appear in court on Tuesday and face murder charges.

Aqsa Parvez's friends told CBC News that the teen had been having arguments with her father because he allegedly wanted her to wear a traditional hijab.

"She kinda wanted to go a different way from the way her family wanted her to go," said one friend.
If this happens in Canada where teens grow up surrounded by Western culture and feel they have a chance to get away, but are still forced by parents to bend to their traditional views, just imagine the extent to which it happens in countries of Islamic tradition -- not to mention those places where they can only venture outside if they have a male from the family with them. Many cannot even flee to another country because they are not even permitted to hold their own passports -- let alone take a taxi or drive themselves to the airport!


Refusing Muslim garb in Canada meant death at the hands of her father for 16 yr-old Aqsa.
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Old 01-04-2008, 07:03 PM   #19
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Whoa! Holy Burqa Betty Batman! Now that is the way to make 'em fashionably hot!

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Block off the Photoshopped body parts for a sec. Now, if you were in the camel bazaar and bumped into those eyes in the red burqa, wouldn't you still want to hit it?
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