According to AFN the new Air Force PFT will be conducted by "trained" civilians.

[SnaFu]

Maybe I was a shithead maybe not. We are all still entitled to our opinions though. And I always did what I thought was right and have no real regrets. If I die tonight I will die at total peace with myself. I'm doubt any of you out there could care less either way though.

[Spadesy]

Originally Posted by SnaFu

Damn Uriel... It seems to me like we may be coming from the same place here. I did not mean to imply that people should be fu&ked with just because a jackass SNCO or Officer don't have a clue. Those assholes aren't even good enough for the Peace Corps. I would not have minded using them for target practice though.

Once had an overly motivated Battery Gunnery Segeant in 1/12 that told a Cpl he was to be a coach for the range the next day. When the Cpl said that he had to go see his wife, who was going to give birth to his first son, the Battery Guns pretty much gave him the "tough shit" answer, taking -zero- time to realize that there were other, single Marines that could easily take his place. Fortunately, a compassionate MSgt later told the Guns, ***** no, he's going to see his kid.

For bungholes like those, the military is the only job they'll probably ever be able to have, because their word, no matter how faulty, goes unquestioned because of their rank...unless somebody that outranks them thinks otherwise. It isn't like the civilian world where people have rights in the work place. Supervisors in the military can ensure you bring a backpack with you and have it inspected everyday, to make sure you are carrying soap and hygiene gear, because he thinks "you stink"...truth is, he just doesn't like you and is trying to ***** with you (no shit, I've seen this happen to a LCpl).

So mission accomplishment...sure, of course. But I don't see how sticking that Cpl to be a temp. range coach would've made him more "combat effective".

On the other side of the coin, you got some Marines that will take advantage of every single opportunity they have to get out of anything from field day formations to morning PT. Seen this happen with a female at one of my older units. Always jumped the chain of command straight up to the MGySgt, and never listened when her NCOs told her to knock it off. Constantly going to medical appointments to get out of going to the range, swim qual, training in general. Always had a sick call chit to get out of morning PT. She was pretty much lazy as hell and useless, and worse, she wasn't even married.

People say, by then, you have to go "old corps" and ***** with her off time. Nope, too smart for that. She always found a way to get out of it, and used the higher-ups as support.

Then when somebody wrote up paperwork on her, a MSgt derided that guy for "not being a good enough leader and having to do paperwork." ***** that. If she wants to be belligerent and lazy, and refuses to change, then that needs to be noted somewhere during her career. She only had herself to blame.

Anyway, getting off subject...it is my belief that Marines with families need time to be with their families. And if they want to take time off during the day to get do something like, fill out paperwork for daycare or whatever, then they should be given that time. I found out that no matter how much work you do in the day, in the Marine Corps, there's always going to be more to do when you get back. It's just a matter of having a clear mission and a clear deadline...everything else is up to you. But should that excuse them from training or exercises? Hell no. There was a married Marine in our old shop, a sergeant, that lived off base with his family but came on base every few days at 0530 to PT with us.

[js9234]

Hmmm, where to start on this ignorant post? I'll only hit on a few things I guess. To start off, who the hell said anything about single service members time not being as valuable? NO ONE!!! Oh, I see, I'm supposed to just be thankful my family's here but not see them? I get it. I was using people with families as an EXAMPLE. Seems like YOU'RE butt hurt because someone with a family made you work and you didn't like it. So according to your infinite wisdom, we are supposed to never make single Airman work, never see our family because we should be working out all the time? I got a better idea. How about we put PT back into the duty day or take PT tests away. PT during duty hours is the more logical one but it won't happen any time soon.

Originally Posted by SnaFu

I know this is going to piss some people off but tough shit.

So what if you have a family! What about the single service members. Are there off duty hours less valuable to them. You should be thankful you have your family here with you to begin with. That shit has always pissed me off to no end. I seen way too many single people getting jacked with pulling more than there fair share of the load so the people with families could spend more quality time at home. That's total bullshit IMHO. If you don't like it than do your four and get the hell out.

[Spadesy]

Jeez, what's with all this uproar about PT? Even off work, or during lunch hours, all you need is a minimum of 20 minute sessions, 3 to 4 times a week, peaking at optimal cardio condition within 3 months. Couple this with pull up pyramids and boom, there's your 1st class PFT. Not sure what else you'd ever need to train for that your unit shouldn't already be handling for you (i.e., forced marches, the O course, etc).

Aside from that, watch your diet...don't drink or smoke too much, and you're golden.

[SnaFu]

Originally Posted by js9234

Hmmm, where to start on this ignorant post? I'll only hit on a few things I guess. To start off, who the hell said anything about single service members time not being as valuable? NO ONE!!! Oh, I see, I'm supposed to just be thankful my family's here but not see them? I get it. I was using people with families as an EXAMPLE. Seems like YOU'RE butt hurt because someone with a family made you work and you didn't like it. So according to your infinite wisdom, we are supposed to never make single Airman work, never see our family because we should be working out all the time? I got a better idea. How about we put PT back into the duty day or take PT tests away. PT during duty hours is the more logical one but it won't happen any time soon.

Ok JS. I read your original post again more carefully and I realize we both may be taking each others posts out of context. It would seem that I unintentionally bumped this thread way off the original topic. No need to get nasty with each other.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by SnaFu

Damn Uriel... It seems to me like we may be coming from the same place here. I did not mean to imply that people should be fu&ked with just because a jackass SNCO or Officer don't have a clue. Those assholes aren't even good enough for the Peace Corps. I would not have minded using them for target practice though.

Off subject post, but ....
Most military personal are not qualified to join the Peace Corps. Maybe some Officers are - but for sure most Enlisted are not. At least a bachelor’s is required for the Peace Corps and sometimes that isn’t even enough. Often they want certified teachers which require additional training on top of the bachelor’s. As a matter of fact it is 100 times easier to join the military than it is to join the Peace Corps. So, most active duty military would not have a snow ball's chance in hell to join the Peace Corps.