HighWay 58 Noise Level

[594893]

Regarding the noise level on HyWay 58:
The Okinawan police are impotent to try to control the noise, hazardous driving conditions and general public disturbance caused by the relatively few inconciderate in the local population. The local politicians look the other way also as unless something impacts the economic situation they will not (or can not) control anything except what they are eating for lunch. How about a noise ordanance in residental areas? But just let my front wheel drive boot get torn and a national crisis erupts. I would like to get one of those noise decible meters, that the local municipalitities use to determine how excessive the noise from MCAS Futenma is, in my bedroom around midnight every night. It would shock any rational person. Probably not any of the unconcerned local politicians. Why does the local population cast a blind eye about this? Probably apathy in thier elected officials and police. This is harsh but very true! Mr. Chatan mayor " PLEASE STOP THE HIGH NOISE LEVELS FROM INCONCIDERATE OKINAWAN PEOPLE" on your streets! Thank you in advance, Nick.

[socalheart]

heh. I live out between White Beach and Gushikawa Jusco and have a similar problem with drifters and boso-bozos. :rolleyes: There's nothing you can do about it, unless you have really great aim with a water balloon.

[P_chan]

Who cares? No matter where you live there will always be noise! Weather it be from traffic, neighbors, aircraft, or the freaking noise fairy! Here's a hint, don't choose an apartment that's right on or near 58! I passed on several apartments that were nice but were right on 58 because traffic = noise! When I was staying in ginowan the only noise you heard at night was the occasional jackass with really loud exhaust flooring it while using our neighborhood to cut though to 330.

[Redsox'sNation]

Who cares? No matter where you live there will always be noise! Weather it be from traffic, neighbors, aircraft, or the freaking noise fairy! Here's a hint, don't choose an apartment that's right on or near 58! I passed on several apartments that were nice but were right on 58 because traffic = noise! When I was staying in ginowan the only noise you heard at night was the occasional jackass with really loud exhaust flooring it while using our neighborhood to cut though to 330.

Now that is a pretty intelligent response...

[P_chan]

Now that is a pretty intelligent response...

Awwww we've got a comedian how cute!

[Muku]

Regarding the noise level on HyWay 58:
The Okinawan police are impotent to try to control the noise, hazardous driving conditions and general public disturbance caused by the relatively few inconciderate in the local population. The local politicians look the other way also as unless something impacts the economic situation they will not (or can not) control anything except what they are eating for lunch. How about a noise ordanance in residental areas? But just let my front wheel drive boot get torn and a national crisis erupts. I would like to get one of those noise decible meters, that the local municipalitities use to determine how excessive the noise from MCAS Futenma is, in my bedroom around midnight every night. It would shock any rational person. Probably not any of the unconcerned local politicians. Why does the local population cast a blind eye about this? Probably apathy in thier elected officials and police. This is harsh but very true! Mr. Chatan mayor " PLEASE STOP THE HIGH NOISE LEVELS FROM INCONCIDERATE OKINAWAN PEOPLE" on your streets! Thank you in advance, Nick.

Here is a suggestion.........move!:D

I did and it makes life a whole hell of a lot quieter! Cheaper too!:D

There isnt anything you really can do anyway. Also have you actually took the time to notice just how many people have their houses right on 58 anyway?

Even one or two streets off the main Hwy makes a huge difference, along with living closer to ground level. Since sound travels upwards to a point the 2nd through 4th or 5th floors can be a whole hell of a lot noisier than the ground floor if the ground floor has a wall around it.

[Asshat]

I am two blocks off 58 and I can't hear a thing. But I sure as hell can hear the jets taking off! I can sure as hell here the gaijins playing their music loud.

And speaking of 58, at least from Kadena gate one to Futenma, if there is a traffic accident that is snarling up traffic flow, there is a 90% chance there was some gaijin involved.

[dk]

I think the author may be talking about the bosozoku (see "general public disturbance caused by the relatively few inconciderate in the local population") which even P_chan has expressed his distate of in the past. Yet somehow it is not a big deal? I don't know how many times I had my wife call the police down in Urasoe city due to the noise. It was a lot, and they were completely useless, just as they are useless to keep this taxi wash from operating at 4am.

[Trail]

Best investment for you.... EARPLUGS! There is nothing done about the bozos. It's the Japanese equivalent of teens thumping bass in their cars and it would next to impossible to eliminate them unles there was a mass killing but we all know no one wants to go there. :D

[dk]

Best investment for you.... EARPLUGS! There is nothing done about the bozos. It's the Japanese equivalent of teens thumping bass in their cars and it would next to impossible to eliminate them unles there was a mass killing but we all know no one wants to go there. :D
I've wanted to go there. I remember walking by a crowd of them shrieking by completely drunk once. I was so close to picking up a cinder block and throwing it at them, but I figured that I'd be the one the police arrested.

[Trail]

I've wanted to go there. I remember walking by a crowd of them shrieking by completely drunk once. I was so close to picking up a cinder block and throwing it at them, but I figured that I'd be the one the police arrested.

And you were probably right... go figure! :grin1: Oh and you must have been really pissed to throw a cinder block like a pebble, or attempt it.

[Asshat]

I was thinking about the OP, and while I can see the frustration, I could ask how much the poster pays in annual taxes to the police and municipalities in order to demand enforcement of noise laws that may or may not exist.

Then of course, there is always the option of moving on base. No loud gangs of unruley youths there! Just the sound of freedom.

[uriel]

not impossible trail, just unwilling. they did it in mainland where the boso were far more numerous. they don't want to so people don't get emberrassed. it didn't seem too hard for the cops to do there. nets, tire spikes, pulling/knocking them off their bikes, impounding bikes, etc... as i said, the police are unwilling, and parents don't want to be emberrassed. weak cops, dumb ass parents, and politicians who don't care = boso running free.

[P_chan]

I think the author may be talking about the bosozoku (see "general public disturbance caused by the relatively few inconciderate in the local population") which even P_chan has expressed his distate of in the past. Yet somehow it is not a big deal? I don't know how many times I had my wife call the police down in Urasoe city due to the noise. It was a lot, and they were completely useless, just as they are useless to keep this taxi wash from operating at 4am.

Oh I don't like them either. However, when I choose a place to live I knew that I didn't want to hear them all night long so I didn't choose to live right on 58 or another major road. I know some people might not be able to find a place that isn't on a major road or would rather live on a major road. But don't expect not to hear them when you live right where they like to ride around. That would be like moving to sunabe right under the flight path of Kadena and then complaining about the noise:thumbdown:

Besides, just like the loud jets, the bozos aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

[IndyGal]

Yeah, but many looking for a place are new to the island and have no idea about those stupid bikes. By the time they pick a place and move in it is really too late. If they are planning just being here for their tour; it is just too expensive to try to relocate to a new place.

We live right off 58. The general traffic noise, even at its heaviest, does not bother us. We sit outside all the time. Listening to those dang bikes, cars racing and the musical horns all hours of the night are a whole different thing.

Just because I don't pay Japanese taxes is BS too. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be protected by the JP's or laws. I know I am a guest here. My family and I are very respectful to the Okinawan ways and customs. I would expect the police in the states to protect those visiting our country just as much.

[uriel]

Just because I don't pay Japanese taxes is BS too. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be protected by the JP's or laws. I know I am a guest here. My family and I are very respectful to the Okinawan ways and customs. I would expect the police in the states to protect those visiting our country just as much.

good point. if we are expected to follow the laws, why should we be expected to have no protection under them?

[DougP]

good point. if we are expected to follow the laws, why should we be expected to have no protection under them?

Also, even if you're not paying taxes, you might be living with or living next to someone who is and if you're bothered by the noise chances they might be as well. :scratchchin:

[Asshat]

Just because I don't pay Japanese taxes is BS too. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be protected by the JP's or laws.

You are. The OP made a statement to the Mayor. This is noise, not the threat of violence, or the threat of your property values going down.

Fact of the matter is, families living here have the option to move on base. Them NOT living on base is a sore subject with the Japanese people paying for them to live off base, AND paying for the JFIP that occurs on base.

[gtlm2000]

I saw bousou-zoku with bike near Kumoji area at night.
They were so noisy.

I haven't seen so many bousou-zoku in these days.
I only see a lot of drifter.

[Asshat]

I tried to find the specific noise level allowable under Japanese law but did not. I did find this though (http://www.sema.org/main/semaorghome.aspx?id=59153):

Japan

Exhaust Noise

On the day before Christmas, 2006, Japan’s Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport requested public comment on a highly restrictive draft exhaust-noise bill, giving petitioners only until the end of January 2007 to lodge submissions, with the law due to come into effect in July 2007. The law was to apply to any exhaust system fitted to cars that a) were the subject of a type approval granted after January 2008 or b) were manufactured after January 2009. Vehicles given type approval or manufactured before these dates will not be subject to the new law.

The Japanese government has amended the Road Transport Vehicle Law Enforcement Ordinance (relating to automobile noise) to provide police the authority to stop vehicles and subjectively determine whether the noise levels exceed permissible levels. The government has also established an aftermarket muffler certification system.

Several members of the newly formed Japan Automotive Aftermarket Action League (AAAL aka 3AL), an alliance of seven Japanese automotive aftermarket associations, lodged submissions objecting to the new law as being overly restrictive to the automotive aftermarket. In addition, one of the seven AAAL member associations, the Japan Motorcycle Accessories Association, worked with Japanese lawmakers in approaching the relevant government agencies and made them aware that the data on exhaust noise they had based the new regulations on were, in fact, unrealistically quiet and not possible for aftermarket companies to comply with—thus making the whole Japanese aftermarket exhaust industry illegal if the law was not revised.

As a result, the government has undertaken to take another look at their data and revisit the legislation with regard to the negative effect that it will have on the aftermarket in Japan. There is no firm date for the legislation to come into effect, but it is expected that it will be between fall of 2008 and spring of 2009. This turnaround by the government was regarded as a come-from-behind win by industry observers and has sharpened the resolve of the 3AL executives to pursue industry legislation and regulation goals with similar methods in the future.

[DoctorP]

The noise of 58 doesnt bother me much.. If it seems loud while I am driving I just roll up the window....

Bozo bikes are a pain in the ass....

Drive a bigger car...they don't bother me much, they either get outta the way, or just cause a small bump...either way, I just laugh at them.:thumbup:

[DougP]

But the noise from the Bozo Bikes make me sick...

Can I get paid too????:rolleyes:

I suppose you can try and sue the bozos :D

[dk]

I think the author may be talking about the bosozoku (see "general public disturbance caused by the relatively few inconciderate in the local population") which even P_chan has expressed his distate of in the past. Yet somehow it is not a big deal? I don't know how many times I had my wife call the police down in Urasoe city due to the noise. It was a lot, and they were completely useless, just as they are useless to keep this taxi wash from operating at 4am.
Lol what part of this post was worthy of P_chan groaning me for? For calling him out truthfully? Just wondering, not mad. Just about spit coke on my work monitor.

[Carl]

Not everyone can move on base. I can't. Even if I could, I wouldn't want to...I lived in base housing once...never again. I pay JP taxes and I deal with the noise. It's not too bad where I live though. I have a bigger problem with the ones on foot making a ruckus on the brick road behind my apartment. I was about to kill one when they set off fireworks back there one time. When I see them riding on a bike together, I sometimes yell out "KAWAIIIIIIII"...they like that about as much as I like their noise. Okinawa City police don't do shit and they probably never will until we get a mayor with some balls. They'd make a killing if they ticketed all those illegally parked cars on 329 (or is it 330? The one that goes by Koza Music Town.), but they don't because they don't care. Actually, not a damn soul here cares except the foreigners. I was hit by one of those little motor bikes one time and he just drove off like nothing even happened. Next time your out driving around or out at a seawall (especially the one in Ginowan), take a look at all the trash laying around. It's like a damn landfill. Okinawans don't give a damn about anything other than drinking, protesting, and pouring concrete. And that's too bad because Okinawa could be so much better than what it is now if they'd just make a little effort...

I like the water balloon method mentioned above. Too bad I can't throw far enough to launch some balloons at those damn planes that fly over my apartment when I'm trying to watch a movie or get the baby to sleep. And don't get me started on the helicopters and their shining lights on the buildings in my neighborhood...no excuse for that.

Anyway... I really don't know what I'm talking about here. I'm just exhausted from my "vacation" here in the states and I'm just waiting for my flight back to Oki tomorrow morning. Can't wait to get back despite all that I don't like about it (there's more I love than hate), but not looking forward to the 20 hour flight with my 2 month old...the flight here wasn't bad at all, but now he's gassy and much more active than he was 2 weeks ago...

[P_chan]

Lol what part of this post was worthy of P_chan groaning me for? For calling him out truthfully? Just wondering, not mad. Just about spit coke on my work monitor.

Ummmm because I don't think the boso are really that big of a deal. They're just a bunch of punk kids doing what punk kids do.

Calling me out on what? I never remember hiding the fact that I don't care for the boso. Matter of fact I think I've made the piano wire across 23 comment a few times when talking about the boso.

[Muku]

but now he's gassy and much more active than he was 2 weeks ago...

Damn and after all that hot air you passed in that previous post I figured it was you that was the gassy one here.:rolleyes:

Enjoy your flight btw......

[OtisPMerriweather]

Just as some others pointed out, if you didn't come here married, and got married (or pregnant) while here in Okinawa, you do not have the option to move on base. Base Housing (as far as Marines go) is offered only to those Marines serving accompanied tours. Even if you came here on an accompanied tour, and got divorced, or had to return your family members to the States, you cannot remain in base housing, you would have to move out in town because your household goods will not fit in the barracks.

That being said, I often wonder why there is even a police box in American village. The BOZOs ride through the main intersection popping wheelies, going around in circles, burning out right in front of the police box in one of the busiest, supposedly tourist-friendly area in Okinawa! Yet, I have been in the car with a civilian friend of mine that drives a "Y" plate who was stopped and detained for a "random check". My friend asked the police "why was I stopped?" And the police kept saying random check. Eventually the translator came down, and he was pissed, and finally, they let us go on. Apparently, the police do not have to have probable cause to stop you like they do in the States. We were there for about an hour, all the while, motorcycles revving right past us.

Not to mention the yakuza or japanese right wingers or whoever that is that comes out on Sundays and parks in American village playing "Tojo's March" over the loud speakers and waving the rising sun Japanese military war flags.

[Asshat]

Just as some others pointed out, if you didn't come here married, and got married (or pregnant) while here in Okinawa, you do not have the option to move on base.

My assumption was that the OP was married and chose to live off base. If the OP is here unaccompanied single or married then he is still made the choices to be living where he is living.

As empty as base housing is, I hear a lot of complaining about living off base.

[dk]

Just FYI, please do not complain about anything related to Okinawa. No matter what, if you are a foreigner, it is highly likely that your complaint is moot. You are not a local, so you do not get to complain about silly shit like noise, pollution, people dumping concrete on sea turtle nesting grounds, etc. You just need to suck it up and deal with it. You do not get to complain about anything. You gave up that right when you came here. Your complaints are not to be taken seriously. Absolutely not. Thank you. That is all.

So stop whining.

[dk]

Ummmm because I don't think the boso are really that big of a deal. They're just a bunch of punk kids doing what punk kids do.
Cool, glad you think it's not that big of a deal. I'm sure that we can all sit a little easier knowing that you think that it's not that big of a deal, forgetting the numerous nights where our less-than-one year old daughter was waken up three or four times in a night, forgetting watching your back walking through the nearby parking lot. I'm very happy that you do not view Boso as much of a big deal. That makes me forgive them of every instance I've had with them in the past twenty years. That makes me not want to hurt them or follow them home, waiting for them to sleep and then blasting an air horn next to their window. I really appreciate it. You have single-handedly fixed everything, and I find that truly amazing.

[dk]

Oh and you must have been really pissed to throw a cinder block like a pebble, or attempt it.
I'm sure you know how frustrating it is by now when your kid wakes up multiple times in the middle of the night. I don't think you ever visited my old apartment, but we weren't even really RIGHT on 58. We were on the sixth floor, and the sound always came through loud and clear. I think the way the buildings were laid out probably amplified the echo a bit too. Stuff like that, you don't always expect or know about before moving, which is why that "just move" or "it's not a big deal" or "you should have known" argument doesn't fly with me. Sure, it would have been TERRIFIC for me to know that the taxi stand next to my house washes about 50 cars from 2am to 6:30am. Hindsight is awesome. Thank god my new job starts early enough that I can pass out before the wash starts. At my old job, I couldn't fall asleep before 2am, and at that point, it was just too noisy. It was worse than the Boso. So, I understand what the OP is saying when he mentioned that the police are worthless about controlling noise pollution. This is late at night stuff. This isn't middle of the afternoon! This is fifty cars being washed or two dozen dirtbags revving their motors at two or three AM!

I'd personally like to see local men from their neighborhoods start to organize and stand together by the road with baseball bats. If the police aren't going to do anything, someone might as well put those punk ass kids in check. I wouldn't be surprised if the cops turned a blind eye if it were the locals who finally went vigilante. I'd applaud them.

[Okiman]

I just heard the funniest thing while putting some clothes up outside. I heard the whinning of a driffter in the distance, a few bang bangs as back fires and a loud ping!! After that no more noise. I guess he blew that damn engine and that is one more off the road for atleast a week now.:grin1:

[Okiman]

I'm sure you know how frustrating it is by now when your kid wakes up multiple times in the middle of the night. I don't think you ever visited my old apartment, but we weren't even really RIGHT on 58. We were on the sixth floor, and the sound always came through loud and clear. I think the way the buildings were laid out probably amplified the echo a bit too. Stuff like that, you don't always expect or know about before moving, which is why that "just move" or "it's not a big deal" or "you should have known" argument doesn't fly with me. Sure, it would have been TERRIFIC for me to know that the taxi stand next to my house washes about 50 cars from 2am to 6:30am. Hindsight is awesome. Thank god my new job starts early enough that I can pass out before the wash starts. At my old job, I couldn't fall asleep before 2am, and at that point, it was just too noisy. It was worse than the Boso. So, I understand what the OP is saying when he mentioned that the police are worthless about controlling noise pollution. This is late at night stuff. This isn't middle of the afternoon! This is fifty cars being washed or two dozen dirtbags revving their motors at two or three AM!

I'd personally like to see local men from their neighborhoods start to organize and stand together by the road with baseball bats. If the police aren't going to do anything, someone might as well put those punk ass kids in check. I wouldn't be surprised if the cops turned a blind eye if it were the locals who finally went vigilante. I'd applaud them.


That sounds like what my dad and some of the other parents did around the neighborhood when jackasses would speed through the streets with their Glass Packs (remember those) and they would step out with the water hose and hit directly in the windshield of the punks. You are right, men/dads need to step their game up and take their neighborhoods back from idiots. :thumbup1:

[DougP]

You are right, men/dads need to step their game up and take their neighborhoods back from idiots. :thumbup1:

Generally speaking here, just be careful with that stepped-up-game wouldn't want to do something that could get one of those obnoxious teenagers seriously injured or worse, killed. Its difficult to be a great or protective father from behind bars.:-|

[Zim the Invader]

I was working on a solution to those Bozos. It involved a briefcase modified to contain a small high powered, spring operated, push button activated and retractable spike strip. But I came up short on the button and briefcase. Oh well.

[Okiman]

Yep, that is the problem now. you have to be VERY CAREFUL on what you do where as in the past, game on. The biggest fear that could be put into a young punks head was the fact that the adult would talk to the youth and said do not make me tell your daddy about what you are doing here. That is kind of what the dad part of it was. Too many dads seem to not care what thier kids are doing now a days and thus they run rampant without the fear of thier dad beating their butts for being idiots.

[dk]

Yep, that is the problem now. you have to be VERY CAREFUL on what you do where as in the past, game on. The biggest fear that could be put into a young punks head was the fact that the adult would talk to the youth and said do not make me tell your daddy about what you are doing here. That is kind of what the dad part of it was. Too many dads seem to not care what thier kids are doing now a days and thus they run rampant without the fear of thier dad beating their butts for being idiots.
Ironically, some of them really aren't that young (one I met looked to be in his early late 20s or early 30s). I bought a few of them some beer about 1.5 years ago, befriended them for a few minutes, and then told them to stay away from my area. That actually fixed the problem for a few months. I don't know if it was me and Mad Hatter who should get credit for that (MH did look like something out of American History X at the time though, lol).

I'm really, really happy that my current area does not have a boso problem. However, that doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist or isn't a big deal.

[dk]

Generally speaking here, just be careful with that stepped-up-game wouldn't want to do something that could get one of those obnoxious teenagers seriously injured or worse, killed. Its difficult to be a great or protective father from behind bars.:-|
How about just bruised, possibly with a few cracked ribs, kneecaps, etc from falling off of a bike?

[DougP]

How about just bruised, possibly with a few cracked ribs, kneecaps, etc from falling off of a bike?

Laughable but nah, I wouldn't. Seriously, straight up assault on someone is something that can land you in the clink. I'm sure there's a few people out there that have known someone or of someone who spent some time in local jail for "taking" it to a bozo or two. Sometimes you don't even need to give them a fat lip or a broken knee cap. And besides, guys like you and me stick out like sore thumbs over here, our asses would get caught within minutes. :D

[dk]

They'll get what's coming... in HECK. It's just a shame the cops are so powerless against them. They'd sometimes come to my street and stand on the corner and just watch... Not really doing anything. I actually saw a boso rider try to grab a stick from a cop, lol. Cop nearly went ballistic. I got really excited for a minute. Thought I was finally going to see some boso bloodshed.

[Okiman]

What if a group of men were to stand in the street (arm in arm) and block the road from these jokers? I think that the bozos would get the idea and not even try to punch through. Just a thought, not sure of the legalities of it.

[dk]

What if a group of men were to stand in the street (arm in arm) and block the road from these jokers? I think that the bozos would get the idea and not even try to punch through. Just a thought, not sure of the legalities of it.
The problem is, there's usually other traffic.

[DougP]

They'll get what's coming... in HECK. It's just a shame the cops are so powerless against them. They'd sometimes come to my street and stand on the corner and just watch... Not really doing anything. I actually saw a boso rider try to grab a stick from a cop, lol. Cop nearly went ballistic. I got really excited for a minute. Thought I was finally going to see some boso bloodshed.

Hypothetically, what if we were to go around with a bunch of stock scooter exhausts and switched those with the loud after market ones on their bikes? :D

[DJ Tak]

Or how about ya'll follow the same advice you give everyone else when they bitch about something in Okinawa: Don't like it, leave.

[dk]

I like it just fine here, but it's definitely not perfect. Maybe people should just keep quiet with all their aggravations. That's healthy.

[Muku]

It's just a shame the cops are so powerless against them.

Actually you are mistaken here, along with everyone else that thinks this as well. The cops are not powerless against them, not at all. There is a difference between actually being powerless and choosing not to use the power that one has.

They just choose to take a different approach to handling the situation.

Also one other thing to keep in mind is that here in Okinawa an overwhelming majority of the boso-babies are underage.

[uriel]

but that's the problem, isn't it? they're underage so they don't want to embarrass them with the stigma of being arrested or whatever, when that is exactly what they should do.

[Muku]

but that's the problem, isn't it? they're underage so they don't want to embarrass them with the stigma of being arrested or whatever, when that is exactly what they should do.

The stigma isnt on them really since juvenile records are sealed, however there is a very real problem that there is no place to put them if they get stuck into the "system".



Or how about ya'll follow the same advice you give everyone else when they bitch about something in Okinawa: Don't like it, leave.


Sounds just like the "advice" that he or should I say his staff likes to give out when talking about JU.:rolleyes:

[Bones]

My daughter just recently won a court case. She was sued by one of those guys for breaking his helmet. He refused to pay, and now has to pay her 1,000,000 yen, plus an additional 3,000,000 yen for medical fees, residual fees fees for mental problems, and he will spend time in jail until the fine is paid.

This was after an appeal by his lawyer.:scratchchin:

Bones

[dk]

Sounds just like the "advice" that he or should I say his staff likes to give out when talking about JU.:rolleyes:
Mostly just to you. :D Offer still stands.

[Muku]

My daughter just recently won a court case. She was sued by one of those guys for breaking his helmet. He refused to pay, and now has to pay her 1,000,000 yen, plus an additional 3,000,000 yen for medical fees, residual fees fees for mental problems, and he will spend time in jail until the fine is paid.

This was after an appeal by his lawyer.:scratchchin:

Bones

$40,000.00???:scratchchin: If your daughter had $30,000.00 in medical bills and "mental" problems I wonder what condition she was in? That is seriously major settlement for here.........damn.

Just as a comparison here....
I spent 6 months in the hospital here for serious back surgery and follow up care and my medical bills didn't even come close to $4,000.00 and that included a 5 day stay in ICU as well.

[Muku]

Mostly just to you. :D Offer still stands.

Figures.......you know you "used" to be a pretty decent guy.:scratchchin:

[dk]

Figures.......you know you "used" to be a pretty decent guy.:scratchchin:
Emo says what?

[uriel]

The stigma isnt on them really since juvenile records are sealed, however there is a very real problem that there is no place to put them if they get stuck into the "system".

to me, that is a very poor excuse. who said anything about the system? give them a ticket, and confiscate their bike. they pay the ticket and be on their way. what about their bike you say? shred it. recycle it. whatever. but after having to get their hands on 2 or 3 bikes because the cops take them, they may think twice. if they get stuck into the system from a ticket and a confiscated bike, that speaks volumes about them as people, wouldn't you say?

[P_chan]

I guess it's different for Marines but Air Force gets to choose where they live. At least they did when I was there. A lot of people get offered the towers and they turn it down and move off base. I moved off base because it was easier for my wife to get to work if we lived off base. But like I said before, I turned down several apartments because they were too close to the highway and the road noise would have been terrible. Did I have a heads up on the boso before moving off base? Not really, but maybe it was because I was from a large city or maybe it was just because busy road = noise:rolleyes:

Cool, glad you think it's not that big of a deal. I'm sure that we can all sit a little easier knowing that you think that it's not that big of a deal, forgetting the numerous nights where our less-than-one year old daughter was waken up three or four times in a night, forgetting watching your back walking through the nearby parking lot. I'm very happy that you do not view Boso as much of a big deal. That makes me forgive them of every instance I've had with them in the past twenty years. That makes me not want to hurt them or follow them home, waiting for them to sleep and then blasting an air horn next to their window. I really appreciate it. You have single-handedly fixed everything, and I find that truly amazing.

Seriously everyone is entitled to their own view on this matter. I'm sorry they're such a pain for you but common sense dictates that if you live near a major roadway you're going to get some noise. I've also got a gallon of water for sale....great for cleaning sand out of buttcracks:D

[Muku]

to me, that is a very poor excuse. who said anything about the system? give them a ticket, and confiscate their bike. they pay the ticket and be on their way. what about their bike you say? shred it. recycle it. whatever. but after having to get their hands on 2 or 3 bikes because the cops take them, they may think twice. if they get stuck into the system from a ticket and a confiscated bike, that speaks volumes about them as people, wouldn't you say?

I said something about the system, if you know something, anything about it, you would understand why the cops do what they do, or should I say don't do what you and others "think" they should be doing.

Confiscate property just because it is a nuisance? Hmmm...let's do the same for all the barking dogs too. Use a little common sense here and I am sure you you will see where your suggestion leads to. If you havent realized it by now cops here are not heavy handed and handle things differently.

Oh that is part of the system as well.

if they get stuck into the system from a ticket and a confiscated bike, that speaks volumes about them as people, wouldn't you say?
Speaks volumes???? About what? The cops....

Think about this, you want the cops to get heavy handed with dealing with kids that are bosozoku right? Then what's next? If you start there you have to continue with everything else too. If you understand that and where that heads to then you just might understand a little more about how things work here.

The cops choose to use a different avenue of approach when dealing with bosozoku here. In comparison to mainland, being an island here as well, bosozoku are no where near the problem or nuisance that they are in comparison to mainland.

And that's the point....they are a nuisance, and that only.

Next thing you know someone might be suggesting that all loud, noisy, nuisance American's from the US Military get ticketed and dealt with too. Would speak volumes about the cops then too wouldnt it?:rolleyes:

[Asshat]

And that's the point....they are a nuisance, and that only.

Next thing you know someone might be suggesting that all loud, noisy, nuisance American's from the US Military get ticketed and dealt with too. Would speak volumes about the cops then too wouldnt it?:rolleyes:

Like ticketing assholes with their rap music blaring outside of their vehicle? Those same people turn it down when going through the gates of the bases though don't they. I should get a bumper sticker that say's "Your music sounds like shit outside of your car."

Police don't like chasing kids on motorcycles. It tends to create hazards for other drivers, as well as kids getting killed while they try to outrun the cops.

It is a nuisance- but what these kids to that annoys me the most is block traffic. I have found that getting behind them and flashing my lights gets them to move.

There has been lots written about Okinawan youth, low test scores, lax parenting, etc. This is systemic of that issue, and to the Okinawa prefecture at large, noise issues are the least of their worries with the youth.

[IndyGal]

Originally Posted by Muku
Next thing you know someone might be suggesting that all loud, noisy, nuisance American's from the US Military get ticketed and dealt with too. Would speak volumes about the cops then too wouldnt it?

Funny thing is they do. I have known several Harley riders that have been pulled over and ticketed for noise from their bikes.

[Asshat]

Funny thing is they do. I have known several Harley riders that have been pulled over and ticketed for noise from their bikes.

They didn't make enough noise, and they didn't haul ass trying to out run the cops! lol...

[acidcrash]

Hmmm.. Just my 2yen.
I have lived in Okinawa since 96. I used to live across Highway 58 from Naha Intl airport. It was actually pretty quiet. Then in 99 I moved to Sunabe Seawall. It was pretty quiet. I moved to the far end of Sunabe in 05 next to the Kadena Approach and close to the Gaijin Ghetto. To be honest, the jet noise is the least of my problems.
Who the F**k buys pit bulls and german shepherds and leaves them on the thier balcony 24/7? Between the American's dogs barking, thier car stereos, the idiots riding Harleys that think revving thier engines in a residential neighborhood is going to get them laid, and the BosoZuko running up and down 58 I am about to lose my mind.
I do not have the option to live on base, but from judging how some people living in Sunabe are, I don't think I would want to anyway. It must be twice as loud on the base.
Bring back the jet noise, shut up the dogs, stereos, and motorcycles!!!!

[jthizz]

worse thing I get is the school kids coming home, and Army guys running by

[acidcrash]

actually its pretty quiet on base..

Then why do you so many idiots all live off base?

[Asshat]

Then why do you so many idiots all live off base?

They're the same idiots. They simply realize that the base cops wont mess with them off base, and their Okinawan neighbors are too polite to say anything.

Just listen to them turn their stereos down when they approach the guard shack at the base entrance.

[socalheart]

We drove next to a Y-plate blaring techno music ridiculously loud. :rolleyes: We then drove next to a kana-plate blaring music loudly also. No one gets pulled over for loud music, even though there's a law about it. The other night at about 02:00, our apartment was graced by what I can only guess were a group of motorcycles sitting outside the building with their engines on. At nine stories, the sound echoes and is louder than usual. Those kind of people need to be shot with paintballs and waterballoons. I can't do it, my aim is bad, but someone should. :mad:

[acidcrash]

Would also like to order some bolt in speed bumps for my road (too bad they are illegal in Japan)...maybe tire spikes...:scratchchin:

[acidcrash]

We drove next to a Y-plate blaring techno music ridiculously loud. :rolleyes: We then drove next to a kana-plate blaring music loudly also. No one gets pulled over for loud music, even though there's a law about it. The other night at about 02:00, our apartment was graced by what I can only guess were a group of motorcycles sitting outside the building with their engines on. At nine stories, the sound echoes and is louder than usual. Those kind of people need to be shot with paintballs and waterballoons. I can't do it, my aim is bad, but someone should. :mad:

Video camera and ask them to shut off thier engines. (evidence)
Then video camera and waterballoons. (fun for all to see)

[hankypanky]

to me, that is a very poor excuse. who said anything about the system? give them a ticket, and confiscate their bike. they pay the ticket and be on their way. what about their bike you say? shred it. recycle it. whatever. but after having to get their hands on 2 or 3 bikes because the cops take them, they may think twice. if they get stuck into the system from a ticket and a confiscated bike, that speaks volumes about them as people, wouldn't you say?

Have u ever been to okinawa city police station? In the back they have a fenced in compound with hundreds of bikes! I think their old man would rather have them out on the streets than in the house watching anime, so he can watch his sumo:D

[DoctorP]

Would also like to order some bolt in speed bumps for my road (too bad they are illegal in Japan)...maybe tire spikes...:scratchchin:

I actually asked about doing this and the city told me flat out "NO". I offered to pay for them, install them and maintain them....would definitely slow those MF'ers down that are late for work or PT and come flying down my road!:cursing:

[acidcrash]

I actually asked about doing this and the city told me flat out "NO". I offered to pay for them, install them and maintain them....would definitely slow those MF'ers down that are late for work or PT and come flying down my road!:cursing:

Well, if you are willing to pay and maintain... they could just "appear"....
http://www.barcoproducts.com/store/index2.asp?DEPARTMENT_ID=160

[TheLastDon]

I always preferred this type of speed bump. One can only dream.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=_5ZwbDj7sQM

[DougP]

Haven't seen too many of the boso-cars these days... wonder what happened to them.

http://www.crankshafted.com/upload/files/13/DSC_0105.jpg
http://www.leblogauto.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/Joest_Jonathan_Ouaknine/Bososoku.jpg


The kids out on the scooters these days don't even look like real Bosozoku :D
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TnAcMqiBxug/Rl_aoX9hxOI/AAAAAAAAAi4/HyM3uxSjIrc/s1600-h/CanalBlog_Livre_Bosozoku04.jpg

LMAO :w00t:

[P_chan]

Yeah doug's right! Where are their jump suits with rising sun patches and pulled up pants. Oh and you have to have at least one guy with a mask on:D

[hjcpmeek]

drifters/racers, mopeds/bikes, and all those damn cars with fart cans.
I was surprised to see everyone with modded exhaust when I got here

[uriel]

I said something about the system, ... If you havent realized it by now cops here are not heavy handed and handle things differently.

Speaks volumes???? About what? The cops....

Think about this, you want the cops to get heavy handed with dealing with kids that are bosozoku right? Then what's next? If you start there you have to continue with everything else too. If you understand that and where that heads to then you just might understand a little more about how things work here.

The cops choose to use a different avenue of approach when dealing with bosozoku here. In comparison to mainland, being an island here as well, bosozoku are no where near the problem or nuisance that they are in comparison to mainland.

And that's the point....they are a nuisance, and that only.

Next thing you know someone might be suggesting that all loud, noisy, nuisance American's from the US Military get ticketed and dealt with too. Would speak volumes about the cops then too wouldnt it?:rolleyes:

all these words, and the only thing that comes out of it is you are using the paranoia of a slippery slope argument. didn't bush use that to stir up our fear of "terrorists" around every corner?

"Speaks volumes???? About what? The cops...."

what are you trying to say? if a kid loses their bike for being a public nuscience not to mention a public danger for the way they ride, and they get into the "system" as you say, and it causes grief later in life, so what? does the public have to hold their hand to make sure they don't act like trash?

you're right. the cops do use a different approach. that approach is to sit on their fat asses and watch them do what ever the hell they want. yeah, the don't rev your engines and speed signs sure does stop them. and yes, the chatan police box in american village has at least 1 cop that is easily over 250 pounds. i wish I had a camera. the boso punks roll by, as he's standing outside, and he watches. watches. that's it. oh yeah, and they stop people for "random" checks. the japanese police are inept, impotent, and afraid to enforce laws against anyone who might speak back to them. it is a fact. both here, and in mainland. no, before you ask, I wasn't raised here. it isn't necessary to spend 20+ years here to know what I see with my eyes in public, read about, see in the news, and hear from people who were born here, and were raised here. mainland mostly.

[Asshat]

Yeah doug's right! Where are their jump suits with rising sun patches and pulled up pants. Oh and you have to have at least one guy with a mask on:D

Come on, that's California. Check out the plates. :)

[Old Timer]

Come on, that's California. Check out the plates. :)

Top yes.....bottom Yokohama...............cars are quiet.............not running.

[Muku]

you're right. the cops do use a different approach. that approach is to sit on their fat asses and watch them do what ever the hell they want. yeah, the don't rev your engines and speed signs sure does stop them. and yes, the chatan police box in american village has at least 1 cop that is easily over 250 pounds. i wish I had a camera. the boso punks roll by, as he's standing outside, and he watches. watches. that's it. oh yeah, and they stop people for "random" checks. the japanese police are inept, impotent, and afraid to enforce laws against anyone who might speak back to them. it is a fact. both here, and in mainland. no, before you ask, I wasn't raised here. it isn't necessary to spend 20+ years here to know what I see with my eyes in public, read about, see in the news, and hear from people who were born here, and were raised here. mainland mostly.
Your ignorance of the culture, the police department, the laws here, including the justice system are showing.

Oh and yes it is rather obvious to me that you do need to spend quite a few more years here learning about things to understand why actions are taken or not with regards to juveniles.

[Muku]

the japanese police are inept, impotent, and afraid to enforce laws against anyone who might speak back to them. it is a fact. both here, and in mainland
First off I suppose you want to say that the police where ever you may come from are better right?

You want to hold your examples up to the light and show that you know better and that what I am writing about the cops here and their system here is all full of shit right?

Believe what you want to believe, but remember this I hope you never have to come face to face with having to deal with the police here is you are ever suspected of or found to be guilty of a crime.

Oh and one other thing, I have no idea where you come from, but I personally rather like the fact that the police here are NOT invasive in their behavior, not overbearing and acting like their shit dont stink, dont get overly petty about every little infraction that they may happen to overlook but are around to assist people when necessary. And generally speaking here that to me is a hell of a lot better than just about anything I have ever experienced in the US.

Bosozoku here in Okinawa are just a bunch of juvenile punks, nothing more nothing less.

You are ignorant of things here if you think the cops here are afraid to enforce the laws, and you prove your ignorance by writing what you have.

[dk]

I'll tell you one thing. The Okinawan police were completely effective the one time we needed them in regards to theft of company intellectual property. All the evidence in the world and they blew it. :rolleyes: As for actual stories, you'll have to ask Sunny-Net. I refuse to disclose more than that to those without a need to know. Positively useless though. They sent out their "IT guys" and they couldn't even figure out the evidence we prepared for them. Edit: LMAO... the evidence is STILL online. Over a year later!

Nope, sorry, no faith in the local cops. I don't know what it is they're busy doing, but they've been utterly useless every time they've been needed in my book.

[Rossi46]

The funniest thing I ever saw on this island happened about 3 years ago when I was working mids here on Kadena. I went out the gate to grab some food around 3 am or so. I stopped at traffic light and notice a cop standing in the traffic island with his club out. A few seconds late a bozo biker come flying by and busted a U-turn at that intersection. The cop reared back and clocked his ass right in the face hard as hell (no helmet). The bike flew off the side of the road and the dude flew off backwards landing in the road bleeding like crazy and convulsing. Kids will never learn to wear full-face helmets. I'm sure that kid had to spend a few days in the hospital...I felt bad for him for about 3 seconds then explosive laughter consumed me.

[Muku]

I'll tell you one thing. The Okinawan police were completely effective the one time we needed them in regards to theft of company intellectual property. All the evidence in the world and they blew it. :rolleyes: As for actual stories, you'll have to ask Sunny-Net. I refuse to disclose more than that to those without a need to know. Positively useless though. They sent out their "IT guys" and they couldn't even figure out the evidence we prepared for them. Edit: LMAO... the evidence is STILL online. Over a year later!

Nope, sorry, no faith in the local cops. I don't know what it is they're busy doing, but they've been utterly useless every time they've been needed in my book.

Are you familiar with IT laws here in Japan by any chance?

Intellectual Property Rights Laws in Japan (http://www.prac.org/newsletters/Intellectual_Property_Rights_in_Japan.pdf)

Enforcement of IT Laws (http://www.law.washington.edu/CASRIP/Symposium/Number6/Kono.pdf)

When it comes to these types of cases I have to agree with you as I have experienced something similar at a former place of employment. The Japanese police have very few truly qualified investigators capable of handling such cases, and that has been noted by the NPA as well.

Not knowing your case but just suggesting here that it wasnt a priority nor high profile enough for them to follow through on either. Not a defense of their actions but here is a suggestion for you get a lawyer actively involved and see what happens then.

What I was/am referring to however is not white collar internet/intellectual property laws but penal law and public safety.

[dk]

It's too late now. I've left Sunny-Net for a better place and it's their problem now. I am still sour at the person for doing what he did (and what he denies), but it hasn't killed our friendship completely. It's just that as of 4/2008, it's no longer my problem. Regardless, it still pisses me off as literally ALL of two years of my work was stolen by a former employer and used to start up a competing company.

Now, I just laugh about it. Not about the cops, but about how idiotic they were when presented with the evidence. The other company DESERVED/DESERVES to be sued into the ground. Unfortunately, I doubt the police's IT division could tell the difference between a Mac or a PC.

Yeah, we read up quite a bit on Japan IT law during all of this. It's not something we just thought, "Oh hey, let's get the cops. I bet they can help." We needed to know what our rights even were as a company. As far as this situation was concerned, we might as well have been in China with their weak ass piracy laws.

[dk]

The funniest thing I ever saw on this island happened about 3 years ago when I was working mids here on Kadena. I went out the gate to grab some food around 3 am or so. I stopped at traffic light and notice a cop standing in the traffic island with his club out. A few seconds late a bozo biker come flying by and busted a U-turn at that intersection. The cop reared back and clocked his ass right in the face hard as hell (no helmet). The bike flew off the side of the road and the dude flew off backwards landing in the road bleeding like crazy and convulsing. Kids will never learn to wear full-face helmets. That kid had to spend a few days in the hospital...I felt bad for him for about 3 seconds then explosive laughter consumed me.
Dude... I would have peed my pants from laughing so hard. :thumbup:

[Maytag Man]

Nope, sorry, no faith in the local cops. I don't know what it is they're busy doing, but they've been utterly useless every time they've been needed in my book.

I know :grin1:

http://www.tensionnot.com/images/images/Automobiles680.jpg

http://xorsyst.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/google-streetview-mister-donut-akihabara.jpg

[uriel]

Your ignorance of the culture, the police department, the laws here, including the justice system are showing.

Oh and yes it is rather obvious to me that you do need to spend quite a few more years here learning about things to understand why actions are taken or not with regards to juveniles.

give me a break. who's the guy who ran away BAREFOOT from the cops when he was a suspect for murdering the english girl? who were the cops who didn't check the blood soaked bathroom of the suspect because he asked them not to? the "culture" is not the reason the cops are inept. the "culture" is the reason the public is as behaved as it is. the "laziness" and "uselessness" of so many cops here are why I say what I say. I stand by it. how many times do you have to see boso run from cops, or watch people driving stupid in front of cops and watch nothing happen before you can say anything about them? you just feel the need to defend those who in this case are indefensible. nothing more.

[uriel]

First off I suppose you want to say that the police where ever you may come from are better right?

so, because cops in my hometown also suck, I can't point out those who also do? sure.


You want to hold your examples up to the light and show that you know better and that what I am writing about the cops here and their system here is all full of shit right?

the whole system isn't full of shit, when it is enforced.



Believe what you want to believe, but remember this I hope you never have to come face to face with having to deal with the police here is you are ever suspected of or found to be guilty of a crime.

hmmm... forced confessions, held for basically how long they want on whatever evidence they want, not to mention the PROVEN way that they do not treat foreigners equal to locals? you're right, I hope I don't get caught for the keystone cops.


Oh and one other thing, I have no idea where you come from, but I personally rather like the fact that the police here are NOT invasive in their behavior, not overbearing and acting like their shit dont stink, dont get overly petty about every little infraction that they may happen to overlook but are around to assist people when necessary. And generally speaking here that to me is a hell of a lot better than just about anything I have ever experienced in the US.

Bosozoku here in Okinawa are just a bunch of juvenile punks, nothing more nothing less.

You are ignorant of things here if you think the cops here are afraid to enforce the laws, and you prove your ignorance by writing what you have.

so, by not being overbearing you mean to overlook pretty much everything short of violent crime, y plates parked illegally, and to make sure their lights are on while they cruise so you know they know how to work them?

what is so horrible that you have experienced with cops that you didn't bring on yourself? a vast majority, note that I said MAJORITY, not all, of the things that I hear about of cops doing this and doing that, is brought on by the person telling the story. very, very often.

"I don't get it, the cops are just out to mess with me..." yeah, it's cause you were doing 90 in a 60 with your brake light out.

and yes, they are juvenile punks. ones that cut in and out of traffic, tailgate, ride dangerously, etc... if a car driver was doing that, or a drifter, or whomever, then you would have something to say, wouldn't you?

[Asshat]

if a car driver was doing that, or a drifter, or whomever, then you would have something to say, wouldn't you?

Yep, unless they were Japanese, then Muku would be defending them too. :)

[Muku]

hmmm... forced confessions, held for basically how long they want on whatever evidence they want, not to mention the PROVEN way that they do not treat foreigners equal to locals? you're right, I hope I don't get caught for the keystone cops.

Mmmm, You are right about one thing they usually dont treat foreigners equally to local Japanese, the foreigners depending upon the situation are actually treated a hell of a lot better.

so, by not being overbearing you mean to overlook pretty much everything short of violent crime,
Actually you have it wrong, but since you already think you "got" it, it isnt going to do me any good to try to point out where you are mistaken.


and yes, they are juvenile punks. ones that cut in and out of traffic, tailgate, ride dangerously, etc... if a car driver was doing that, or a drifter, or whomever, then you would have something to say, wouldn't you?

I stand by my comments about your lack of understanding about the way the police work here, that comes from a lack of experience. But since you have preconceived notions about what is what again it will do me no good to try to educate you on a better way of looking at it.

Oh there is one other thing you should also keep in mind, I often would appreciate the cops here doing more to prevent shit from occurring as well, particularly in regards to enforcing current traffic laws. However when that happens all I have to do is remember somethings about the culture and realize that it isnt going to happen and bitching about it and complaining about it won't change it either.

[Muku]

Yep, unless they were Japanese, then Muku would be defending them too. :)

AH selective memory there........

When it is warranted I am an equal opportunity pain in the ass to either side when I see a disservice or mistake occurring.

[uriel]

by foreigners you must mean only the ones with SOFA status? otherwise...

you sure do like to take the easy way out by evading any attempt at showing how much you "know" and "understand". again, culture accounts for only so much. being lazy, and incompetent and blaming that on culture is completely different. but since you seem to have "gotten" it already, it is also pointless for me to try to sway you.

[TheLastDon]

edited for lameness, sorry

[594893]

dk: Thanks for an intelegent reply. My aim here was to point out a civil problem. I kind of know that there is no good answer for the noise issue, but there are ordanances for most everything else on this island so it is a shot in the dark to expect any movement on this from the constabulary. But just park in the wrong spot on the sea wall and the police are right there to hand out citations. The BOZOS are all in the face of the police and face is something the Japaneese are supposed to be very cognizant of. Gusee I will just turn up my music so I can drown out the RICE ANGLES road noise. To heck with it all!

[P_chan]

But just park in the wrong spot on the sea wall and the police are right there to hand out citations.

Good thing the JPs just go down the line and hand out tickets to ALL the cars parked on that street, both hiragana and Y plate.

[Asshat]

Gusee I will just turn up my music so I can drown out the RICE ANGLES road noise. To heck with it all!

Yeah, we can all hear that music. I'm a block away from 58 and don't hear it. But I certainly do hear the assholes in the apartment down the street driving by way too fast with the bass thumping. The only thing louder is the jets. Speaking of noise.

There are a lot more important things the JP's do to promote public safety than harrassing kids on bikes. DUI checks, ticketing drivers running red lights, and yes, there is a severe parking space issue in this part of the island that the denizens who pay for the cops deem more important than the noise issue.

[phoenix4682]

That was a very intelligent reply. I have lived on the rock many years ago. you have noise problems no matter where on this planet you live. it is how you handle the noise that matters.

[dk]

Yeah, we can all hear that music. I'm a block away from 58 and don't hear it. But I certainly do hear the assholes in the apartment down the street driving by way too fast with the bass thumping. The only thing louder is the jets. Speaking of noise.

There are a lot more important things the JP's do to promote public safety than harrassing kids on bikes. DUI checks, ticketing drivers running red lights, and yes, there is a severe parking space issue in this part of the island that the denizens who pay for the cops deem more important than the noise issue.
I see DUI checks about once a year, always around December/January. That's it. And I've never been stopped at a DUI check, ever. I almost never see local police until after something has happened. I would love to see people getting pulled over for reckless driving, turning without a signal, driving twenty under the speed limit, driving while talking on the phone, etc, but I never see the police until after the car full of obasan rams into the car in front.

And my vision is pretty good. I still don't need glasses.

[dk]

That was a very intelligent reply. I have lived on the rock many years ago. you have noise problems no matter where on this planet you live. it is how you handle the noise that matters.
Well... on second thought, that statement if you can't beat them, join them comes to mind. Sick of cars making all kinds of noise? Do the same thing and irritate the shit out of everyone around you until the cops are called into your area on a regular basis. Then stop doing it.

[Asshat]

I see DUI checks about once a year, always around December/January. That's it. And I've never been stopped at a DUI check, ever.

We saw a DUI check just last night. Also, my son who lives and works in the area sees them often on the back road. Maybe they are targeting me.

Hey dk, start driving drunk. You'll probably see all kinds of them. :)

[P_chan]

I got hit by DUI checks just about every single time I'd go pick up my wife from a girl's night in naha. They usually wave most of the cars through and then stop a few cars at "random". Of course if you have a Y plate then you'll always be "randomly" selected. LOL I never could convince the JP to give the breathalyser to my wife just for shits and giggles:D

[Muku]

I see DUI checks about once a year, always around December/January. That's it. And I've never been stopped at a DUI check, ever.

You obviously are smart enough not to drive in Naha after a night out drinking. And not drink and drive at night, during the quadrennial safety campaigns.

Plus recently the cops are not focusing so much on the main roads but the back roads and that is where they are catching a lot of drunks thinking that they could avoid the checks. Oh also be careful in the AM, they check then too.

It's no wonder why the prison is filled here.