Rules and regs. for attending drifting events.

[Fairlady]

So I am thinking about heading out on one of those tours that is for a drifting event on mainland japan. The thing that i am worried about is that the airforce has a rule about not being able to witness drifting. I am not sure if anyone has any information about going to these events if you are a dependant and also if they are not on island. I just want to know before I buy any tickets or anything.

It would also be nice to know where I would go to find out information about that.

let me know if any of you have information

[P_chan]

I remember the reason they said you couldn't watch drifting is because they were not formal events and the safety of the spectators wasn't taken into consideration. Now if it was a formal event then I don't see a problem with it. Funny thing is you can get hurt watching nascar but they don't ban you from seeing that.

Hell what the air force doesn't know won't hurt it.

[Fairlady]

yeah i personally think that it is funny that you have much more a chance of getting hurt trying to drive around okinawa then you have watching a drifting or nascar event lol but no one is taking that into account now are they? lol

[DougP]

I remember the reason they said you couldn't watch drifting is because they were not formal events and the safety of the spectators wasn't taken into consideration. Now if it was a formal event then I don't see a problem with it. Funny thing is you can get hurt watching nascar but they don't ban you from seeing that.

Hell what the air force doesn't know won't hurt it.

They are formal events.(ones up in Nago) The powers that be in the AF here on oki seem to have it out for auto enthusiasts. Up in mainland I hear its a different story :)

[socalheart]

Don't tell my husband about it. He's been itching to go to one, but hasn't due to the general order. If it's a legal, formal car racing event, like NASCAR, then it should be allowed. Don't ask or mention it to anyone at work though. Look it up yourself. Sometimes, you can find a loophole.

[JSSAUCE]

Ok I am too lazy to search. What is drifting?

Joel

[socalheart]

Ok I am too lazy to search. What is drifting?

LOL. :D That's awesome. :thumbup1:

My chick definition: Drifting is going very fast in a car and turning corners in a drifting style rather than like regular turning, because you're still going fast. They do it in Disney's Cars (http://disney.go.com/disneyvideos/animatedfilms/cars/) and Too Fast Too Furious: Tokyo Drift (http://www.thefastandthefurious.com/). There are also numerous video games about it.

YouTube - japanese drifting

[DougP]

Please don't ever use a Fast and Furious movie as a reference anything automotive related :( It would be like using a Chuck Norris flick from the 80's to describe Pride or UFC

[socalheart]

Heh. I get a margin of error being a girl. :) I know more about horses than I do cars. It won't happen again. I'm sure my husband will scold me too. :crying: Wait, so it's okay to reference Disney? Ha! :thumbup:

[Honduh]

haha doug. love the avatar ;)

the air force needs to go to hell for there little hypricotal(sp) bullshit rule reguarding Nago. Though it doent apply to me, its amazing how much bullshit goes on on this rock when driving comes into play.

Also, remind kadena they have a race car for there power point, ZZ13.

Just remind yourself you are in Japan and driving sprinted, on a closed course, is off limits. Gather your car parts and head to the US, play on a track there, where you won't catch any shit.

Until then, enjoy doing it on the streets, since the race track is off limits. :lol:

[Honduh]

LOL. :D That's awesome. :thumbup1:

My chick definition: Drifting is going very fast in a car and turning corners in a drifting style rather than like regular turning, because you're still going fast. They do it in Disney's Cars (http://disney.go.com/disneyvideos/animatedfilms/cars/) and Too Fast Too Furious: Tokyo Drift (http://www.thefastandthefurious.com/). There are also numerous video games about it.

YouTube - japanese drifting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viL8A1QCP_U)



you sir need to be kicked in the nuts. multiple times.

[P_chan]

Yeah it cracks me up. Seems like kadena just has a beef with people who like to race cars. I still want to go up to nago and watch the drifting anyways. I might do it sometime soon.

LOL you call the ZZ13 car a race car? I did a close up inspection on that thing and it made me laugh. It's a V6 NONsupercharged chevy impala. It's completely stock, just has some tvs, side pipes, roll cage, and the dash was covered with sheet metal. LOL it still has the stock gauges without the tac.

[atb35]

Please don't ever use a Fast and Furious movie as a reference anything automotive related :( It would be like using a Chuck Norris flick from the 80's to describe Pride or UFC

What? I thought Chuck Norris was the founder of UFC? ....

Actually for someone that doesnt know anything about drifting, as in not even knowing what it means...watching Tokyo drift wouldnt be a bad choice. It is a popular movie that ppl know, and it shows WHAT drifting is, but everything else about the movie is BS. I would really love to see a mustang drift like that.....

[DougP]

Yeah it cracks me up. Seems like kadena just has a beef with people who like to race cars. I still want to go up to nago and watch the drifting anyways. I might do it sometime soon.

LOL you call the ZZ13 car a race car? I did a close up inspection on that thing and it made me laugh. It's a V6 NONsupercharged chevy impala. It's completely stock, just has some tvs, side pipes, roll cage, and the dash was covered with sheet metal. LOL it still has the stock gauges without the tac.

I think the point he was trying to make is that all the GOJ rules regarding illegal modifications on vehicles(interpreted by commanders) kadena usually tries to enforce are obviously being violated by that ugly excuse for a car. The ZZ13 impala is an example of the AF's hypocrisy on vehicle regulations and illegal modifications.

You were also right. It is a joke.

[DougP]

What? I thought Chuck Norris was the founder of UFC? ....

Actually for someone that doesnt know anything about drifting, as in not even knowing what it means...watching Tokyo drift wouldnt be a bad choice. It is a popular movie that ppl know, and it shows WHAT drifting is, but everything else about the movie is BS. I would really love to see a mustang drift like that.....

Here you go. An '05 mustang diven/drifted by Ken Gushi:thumbup1:
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/drifting-mustangs-and-ken-gushi.html

Its not the only one out there either

[Honduh]

Yeah it cracks me up. Seems like kadena just has a beef with people who like to race cars. I still want to go up to nago and watch the drifting anyways. I might do it sometime soon.

LOL you call the ZZ13 car a race car? I did a close up inspection on that thing and it made me laugh. It's a V6 NONsupercharged chevy impala. It's completely stock, just has some tvs, side pipes, roll cage, and the dash was covered with sheet metal. LOL it still has the stock gauges without the tac.

the car is a joke. the point was, it was only a few months after the drifting policy was created...that they started building the ZZ13 car. Then it was only a few months after that, they came up with the 'were outta money, gotta cut costs' bullshit. half the shit they tell service members that they cant do to their car...the base did to theres.

Lets not mention the air force sponsors a D1 (pro drift circuit) car...

[P_chan]

Does anyone know when the next drifting event is in nago? Oh and where exactly it's at?

[Fairlady]

Yeah, That is a bit interesting that zz13 is here on an anti-car base like kadena. That is very interesting. Other then that though, NICE DISNEY REFERANCE!!!! "turn left to go right" lol

anyone know where specifically those rules may be found or th rules and regs for kadena may be located so that I can try and find what the rule is specifically?

[DoctorP]

Go to mcbbutler's website and you can find all of the regs pertaining to allowable car mods and drifting. Attending formal events is not banned. Attending informal events located at the docks is what they were targeting.

[DougP]

Nah they were banning AF people from going up to Nago and watching drifting events... real events

[Honduh]

Go to mcbbutler's website and you can find all of the regs pertaining to allowable car mods and drifting. Attending formal events is not banned. Attending informal events located at the docks is what they were targeting.

No sir, you are incorrect. You can check out the bullshit letter on the www.rccaokinawa.com website, they have the no nago circuit bullshit policy posted for anyone in the world to view.

Its in the forums and stickied.

id give ya a direct link, but the nazi's wont allow us to view that site.

As for the vehicle mod list, that bullshit can be found here under Illegal Modifications (http://www.mcbbutler.usmc.mil/jsvr/jsvro/files/sofainfo.htm)

lol, illegal vehicle mods. I got busted in one of those random stop things once night, on base...MP telling me that my car was illegal, (which my car is 100% legal) was looking for my catalitic converter under the hood. Dipshit didnt even know what to look for...let alone where, and telling me my shit was illegal. :scared:

[atb35]

That is a pretty sweet Ford Mustang. I can see how that would be a drifting car, but that 66 (i think that is what the one in the movie was) with a huge engine in it after working on it for a few days...still dont see how that would drift like that...granted, the movie is all BS.

[DougP]

I like how you refer to the RB26 as a huge engine :)

2.6L inline 6 Woot :)

[DoctorP]

It states that you can not attend Nago because it is not a sanctioned race track...can you prove otherwise?

[Honduh]

The problem they have is that the place is not safe.

D1 has been there
HKS, Omega and others hold regular driving events there

The place isnt a sanctioned race track? lol

edit* I will 100% agree its nothing like a US track, but its what Okinawa has....
edit 2* I suck at spelling. Actually, I just cant use this keyboard very well. lol

[DougP]

Uh what makes it a sanctioned race track. Its not sanction by any american organization if thats what you mean. It is sanctioned by all others that organize events there. D1 too iirc. they're an organization in Japan and now one in american.

[DoctorP]

I haven't been, but I can surmise that there is no partition between the cars and spectators right? Meaning no safety barrier? Please enlighten me!

[DougP]

there are safety barriers in place. Plenty of safe places to watch from. Some spectators choose not to stay behind them.

[Honduh]

there is about a 10-12 foot embankment which they can sit on and be very well out of any harms way.


IIRC, when was the last time someone was hurt up there?
When was the last time someone was killed diving?
When was the last time some dipshit jumped from hiji falls and was hurt?

yet lets rule driving on a race track a bad thing...

[DoctorP]

there are safety barriers in place. Plenty of safe places to watch from. Some spectators choose not to stay behind them.

And therein lies your problem. Until the venue can be deemed as safe for all, then I do not see it ever being allowed. I'm not against it, just providing you with a different view point.

[CGoki]

And therein lies your problem. Until the venue can be deemed as safe for all, then I do not see it ever being allowed. I'm not against it, just providing you with a different view point.


It is safe for all if they follow the rules of the place. Let's ban driving all together because some idiots don't like to wear their seatbelts. What's the real difference between the 2? Some idiot doesn't want to stay behind a barrier and can get hurt so AF people can not attend said place, some idiot may not wear his seatbelt and also get hurt in an accident, so might as well ban all AF people from driving too.

[Honduh]

And therein lies your problem. Until the venue can be deemed as safe for all, then I do not see it ever being allowed. I'm not against it, just providing you with a different view point.

Safe for all? Thanks for avoiding my post. :thumbup1:

[socalheart]

Originally Posted by socalheart
LOL. :D That's awesome. :thumbup1:
My chick definition: Drifting is going very fast in a car and turning corners in a drifting style rather than like regular turning, because you're still going fast. They do it in Disney's Cars and Too Fast Too Furious: Tokyo Drift. There are also numerous video games about it.
YouTube - japanese drifting
you sir need to be kicked in the nuts. multiple times.

As your posted reply is in reference to my previous post, which obviously stated "my chick definition" and had accompanying smiley faces to suggest humour preceeding my personal definition of drifting and familiar references, I find your reply to it personally offensive. Perhaps, if you meant it as a humourous retort, you might consider the use of common phrases or smilies to indicate it as such in the future. To clarify, I am so female that I am pregnant. I am not a sir, as for one, I am not nor ever was a military officer. I believe that suggesting physical violence on my person without the indication of humour is reprehensible. I request that you refrain from repeating such a personal attack on me again. Thank you.

[Honduh]

your smileys are referring to jssauce.

what you posted was preceived as your perception of drifting, and it made no sense at all, in fact it was quite ignorant. Instead of being kicked in the nuts, I will say you should be kicked in the crotch. :) ma'am.

[dk]

Not very cool to kick a pregnant girl in the crotch...

[N3philum]

he wouldnt actually. At least i hope not.

I think it would be a great idea for you (dk) or to cover one of the RCCA events. I think it would be very positive and then we might be able to get it out that things can be done correctly and safe, and a great way to get more people to attend the events :)

[dk]

Shoot me an email (webmaster@japanupdate.com) or a PM sometime with some event information and I'll see what I can do. At this time in my daughter's life (11 months) it's a little hard for me to get out of the house, but we'll see. If nothing else, I can at least forward your information on to the editor and maybe one of the other staff can cover it.

Lol @ all of you guys using the kuritorisu avatar... Starting to confuse me as to who I am replying to lol...

[N3philum]

dk ill let you know. if anything my wife and son can chill with your wife and daughter (new girlfriend?? :) )

[Honduh]

your right, I would never do anything to harm a pg lady. :)

[dk]

dk ill let you know. if anything my wife and son can chill with your wife and daughter (new girlfriend?? :) )
Hey that sounds pretty cool. :)

[the_wrath_of_Khan]

I think the point he was trying to make is that all the GOJ rules regarding illegal modifications on vehicles(interpreted by commanders) kadena usually tries to enforce are obviously being violated by that ugly excuse for a car. The ZZ13 impala is an example of the AF's hypocrisy on vehicle regulations and illegal modifications.

You were also right. It is a joke.

Since the ZZ13 car is not registered off base with GOJ plates it doesn't have to meet the JCI or anyother off-base rules. They just slap an Air Force plate on it and it is good to go.

[DoctorP]

he wouldnt actually. At least i hope not.

I think it would be a great idea for you (dk) or to cover one of the RCCA events. I think it would be very positive and then we might be able to get it out that things can be done correctly and safe, and a great way to get more people to attend the events :)

This is the most intelligent reply so far. Sounds like a good idea to me. I'm not into the whole drifting thing but I know that there are many out there who do like it.

[N3philum]

well.. the RCCA doesnt actually host Drifting events. The currently are doing other projects. More info can be had at www.rccaokinawa.com Steve (Jerk_Racer) on the RCCA forum is the president of the RCCA and would be able to give you more info. I am a member of the RCCA but I cant really talk on its behalf. So.. yeah...Steve...RCCA...www.rccaokinawa.com

:)

[Honduh]

I also think its a great idea. There is a huge mis-perception of what goes on with the car 'culture' on this island, and quite frankly, its no different than what goes on in the U.S. How its wrong there, and not here is beyond me. Hell, in mainland, the Air Force holds events ON BASE.

Some positive public eye would be a great thing to what we are trying to do with the military and safe driving events.

Socalheart, if you would have any clue, you would understand why I said what I did. It was nothing directed at you or nothing to offend you. If I did, my appoligies. :)

[DougP]

And therein lies your problem. Until the venue can be deemed as safe for all, then I do not see it ever being allowed. I'm not against it, just providing you with a different view point.

They can't seem to do they same thing for diving. Sure they haven't had a fatality in a while but I can't remember any drift or Nago event related deaths. Diving on the other hand.....

[DoctorP]

They can't seem to do they same thing for diving. Sure they haven't had a fatality in a while but I can't remember any drift or Nago event related deaths. Diving on the other hand.....

Well, I don't dive, so your argument there doesn't sway me either way. How about drinking and driving? They have made changes there and it seems to be working well doesn't it?

I don't recall any drifting deaths either, but I do recall people with fast cars hitting slow walking people which unfortunately results in serious injury and death at times. I also recall property damage resulting from the "illegal" drifting down south years back. Again, I am not against allowing people to watch (I even signed the old petition years ago...is it still on the website?), but I can understand the base's reluctance to allow people to attend/race in these activities given the fact that many people can't drive from point a to point b without hitting persons c, d, e and f!

[DoctorP]

I also think its a great idea. There is a huge mis-perception of what goes on with the car 'culture' on this island, and quite frankly, its no different than what goes on in the U.S. How its wrong there, and not here is beyond me. Hell, in mainland, the Air Force holds events ON BASE.


I think that the bases are trying. Not hard enough maybe, but they do try. The cars shows and whatnot held on base. I believe there was a thread on the old forum where we were talking about how it would be a good idea for the AF to open up the runway(s)...maybe once a month or so to allow for some type of sactioned racing. I mean they were able to do it for Americafest, why not racing right?

[Muku]

but I can understand the base's reluctance to allow people to attend/race in these activities given the fact that many people can't drive from point a to point b without hitting persons c, d, e and f!


:scared::-|

No wonder Y plates are viewed with such disdain.

[DoctorP]

That was an exageration of course! (input selected choice of smilies here to ensure sarcasm!)

[N3philum]

:scared::-|

No wonder Y plates are viewed with such disdain.

not all those down south crashing were Y plates.

[Honduh]

I think that the bases are trying. Not hard enough maybe, but they do try. The cars shows and whatnot held on base. I believe there was a thread on the old forum where we were talking about how it would be a good idea for the AF to open up the runway(s)...maybe once a month or so to allow for some type of sactioned racing. I mean they were able to do it for Americafest, why not racing right?

that was RCCA who put that on, and the cops showed up like everyones car was full of drugs...

its a great stereotype.

its also a great idea that the AF open up the runway. I would give my....well...to just watch a few cars run down the runway.

Futenma a motorsports part :w00t:

[A'Sharad]

Don't tell my husband about it. He's been itching to go to one, but hasn't due to the general order. If it's a legal, formal car racing event, like NASCAR, then it should be allowed. Don't ask or mention it to anyone at work though. Look it up yourself. Sometimes, you can find a loophole.

What the hell over!! You dont listen to her!!! Where the heck is it.....I wanna go!!:scared:

[DougP]

Well, I don't dive, so your argument there doesn't sway me either way. How about drinking and driving? They have made changes there and it seems to be working well doesn't it?

I don't recall any drifting deaths either, but I do recall people with fast cars hitting slow walking people which unfortunately results in serious injury and death at times. I also recall property damage resulting from the "illegal" drifting down south years back. Again, I am not against allowing people to watch (I even signed the old petition years ago...is it still on the website?), but I can understand the base's reluctance to allow people to attend/race in these activities given the fact that many people can't drive from point a to point b without hitting persons c, d, e and f!

Wasn't trying to sway you just pointing out that your previoius statement about the commanders logic doesn't carry all the way accross the board. In other words they ban one activity for reasons that could obviously ban another more popular hobby.

All of that which you just pointed out has nothing to do with the events up at Nago which the AF does not allow their personnel to attend

[DougP]

also I might just support the closing of futenma if they were to turn part of the runway into a drag strip :)

[DoctorP]

also I might just support the closing of futenma if they were to turn part of the runway into a drag strip :)

That is not gonna happen...do you still want to support it? :)

[DougP]

Eh I could really care less either way. I know when it does close another Jusco or Pachinko is going to go up in its place and traffic will get even worse as the area developes. And life will be so boring without any Peter Simpson articles to read in JU about dangerous Futenma based aircraft.

[PKaBooo69]

Eh I could really care less either way. I know when it does close another Jusco or Pachinko is going to go up in its place and traffic will get even worse as the area developes. And life will be so boring without any Peter Simpson articles to read in JU about dangerous Futenma based aircraft.

:w00t: I just spit up my food laughing at that comment! Good one! :thumbup: