How much do locals make?

[jigenbakuda]

I am wondering how much money do the locals make? Like the typical japanese family makes? I know americans live in super lavish accommodations, but I know the locals don't. I just wonder how much it takes for an okinawan to live a normal okinawan life. Does anyone know their basic bills and basic income?


Tangent-just a curious question
I know a lot of people are unemployed on oki, because of choice. But someone is taking care of them... I wonder how? Does the person supporting them make 500,000 yen a month? How can they just take care of these people? Is the government helping?

[gliza]

it's not that american's live in more spacious living conditions because they are wealthier than okinawans/japanese...rather, it's just a cultural difference. the living conditions of japanese are more simplistic and practical. hence, why bedrooms are, many times, only big enough to fit a bed and, perhaps, 1 nightstand. because the purpose of that room is to sleep-not to hang out all day and play video games.

this is, at least, what i've found was the case with my okinawan friends.

[OtisPMerriweather]

I know a chick here on Okinawa that came from mainland and got a job over at Jusco for about a month and a half and then got laid off. She hasn't had a job for like 2 months, but she's getting unemployment. I think she gets something like 1200-1300 dollars a month. More than enough to pay rent, etc.

Americans don't really live in "super lavish" accomodations, especially for the money. Americans pay 2-4 times what a local has to pay for rent. If a local was paying what the Americans are paying for rent, they'd be living in the penthouse condo at some high-rise down in Naha.

But I'm sure some of the "expats" here will tell you that it's just us Americans being greedy and we should all live on base anyways. :D

[gliza]

I know a chick here on Okinawa that came from mainland and got a job over at Jusco for about a month and a half and then got laid off. She hasn't had a job for like 2 months, but she's getting unemployment. I think she gets something like 1200-1300 dollars a month. More than enough to pay rent, etc.

Americans don't really live in "super lavish" accomodations, especially for the money. Americans pay 2-4 times what a local has to pay for rent. If a local was paying what the Americans are paying for rent, they'd be living in the penthouse condo at some high-rise down in Naha.

But I'm sure some of the "expats" here will tell you that it's just us Americans being greedy and we should all live on base anyways. :D


yeah, this is also true. my landlord knew how much i was getting for my rank and immediatley showed a spot that was...bingo, you got it...exactly what my ceiling was.

[OtisPMerriweather]

it's not that american's live in more spacious living conditions because they are wealthier than okinawans/japanese...rather, it's just a cultural difference. the living conditions of japanese are more simplistic and practical. hence, why bedrooms are, many times, only big enough to fit a bed and, perhaps, 1 nightstand. because the purpose of that room is to sleep-not to hang out all day and play video games.

this is, at least, what i've found was the case with my okinawan friends.

I don't think this is entirely true. I know what you're getting at, but given the choice, Okinawans would LOVE to live in big cribs. Have you been to American village lately? There's a brand new high-rise right next to the JOMO called Lion's Mansion Mihama. They are super-fly condos, and no Americans live there.

[gliza]

I don't think this is entirely true. I know what you're getting at, but given the choice, Okinawans would LOVE to live in big cribs. Have you been to American village lately? There's a brand new high-rise right next to the JOMO called Lion's Mansion Mihama. They are super-fly condos, and no Americans live there.

i thought those were built with americans in mind? at least they were heavily advertised in all the base publications.

also, there are some rather new (3 years) houses down by sunabe area. real nice.

[OtisPMerriweather]

Here's a link to the big one they're building down in Sunabe now...I live right niext to the one in Mihama and no Americans seem to live there. They're not on the "approved" list down at base housing because they are condos, not apartments.

http://www.urtore.com/location.html

[P_chan]

and no Americans live there.

I've seen several Y plates going in and out of there. Maybe they were just visiting, but they could be living there. A japanese person might have purchased the condo and then started renting it out though one of the base housing agencies.

[Muku]

it's not that american's live in more spacious living conditions because they are wealthier than okinawans/japanese...rather, it's just a cultural difference. the living conditions of japanese are more simplistic and practical. hence, why bedrooms are, many times, only big enough to fit a bed and, perhaps, 1 nightstand. because the purpose of that room is to sleep-not to hang out all day and play video games.

this is, at least, what i've found was the case with my okinawan friends.
Umm...I think you have a a rather big misconception here I think. For the US Military living off base they get a rather large housing allowance that many Okinawan's do not get. Give that kind of housing allowance to an Okinawan and I am fairly certain that they would also love to live in a larger place. Look at OPM's post on the Lion's Mansion's.

Those places cost between $250,000 upwards of $1,000,000 depending upon the location. They are the top of the line condo builders here in Okinawa and you wont find them everywhere, only in areas that have enough people that can afford them, Chatan is moving up in the world if it has a Lions mansion:grin1:

It isn't culture...it's money!

[jigenbakuda]

But how much do the locals make if they were working? No guesses on that amount?

Man it sounds like that chick that got laid off from jusco makes almost the same amount I will being a teacher....

Well when I went to oki, the apartment I stayed in (somewhere in uehara I think... can't remember, but it was a japanese apartment), compared to the apartment one of my girlfriend's girlfriend's boyfriend had.. it was lavish to me, bigger than any apartment I'd ever been in in america. But I'm not military, I think you guys have a higher living standard than I've been exposed to (hence the "non-lavish" thoughts). Oh that apartment was by mihama.

[Muku]

I know a chick here on Okinawa that came from mainland and got a job over at Jusco for about a month and a half and then got laid off. She hasn't had a job for like 2 months, but she's getting unemployment. I think she gets something like 1200-1300 dollars a month. More than enough to pay rent, etc.

$1200- $1300 a month more than enough? OPM where does she live and what is her rent? Average rents are running about 45,000 yen a month and up. Plus let's talk utilities many 10,000 a month if she is frugal. Does she have a car for work? If so there goes quite a bit more for parking, gas, insurance, maybe let's say 10,000 to 15,000 a month. Health Insurance, 13,000 a month. Right there taking the minimum without the health insurance is 65,000 yen a month without incidentals or food. 120,000 is probably tight for her and she is being nice. Oh I will bet she has savings too, something many Japanese have to fall back onto.

Unemployment insurance is also only good for between 90 to 180 days depending upon how long one worked and paid into the insurance. There are no extensions when it runs out it's out.

Americans don't really live in "super lavish" accomodations, especially for the money. Americans pay 2-4 times what a local has to pay for rent. If a local was paying what the Americans are paying for rent, they'd be living in the penthouse condo at some high-rise down in Naha.
I disagree, many are super lavish in comparison to the average Okinawan household.


But I'm sure some of the "expats" here will tell you that it's just us Americans being greedy and we should all live on base anyways. :D

Not just some expats but some active duty too that think you all should be living on base anyways.

OPM let's not give the wrong impression to readers here with this statement. There are plenty of active duty people around that think that some American's here are being greedy. And let's face it you know it too.:)

Edited to add about unemployment insurance......
It also matters about whether you choose to quit your job or were fired, released, or retired from said job as well.

Here is a link to a chart and information in English about the unemployment insurance here.

It can go higher, in number of days, than what I previously wrote but it is based upon how many years one worked, sorry about that.

Unemployment Insurance in Japan (http://osaka-rodo.go.jp/topic/employment_insurance_system.pdf)

[Muku]

But how much do the locals make if they were working? No guesses on that amount?

Man it sounds like that chick that got laid off from jusco makes almost the same amount I will being a teacher....

Well when I went to oki, the apartment I stayed in (somewhere in uehara I think... can't remember, but it was a japanese apartment), compared to the apartment one of my girlfriend's girlfriend's boyfriend had.. it was lavish to me, bigger than any apartment I'd ever been in in america. But I'm not military, I think you guys have a higher living standard than I've been exposed to (hence the "non-lavish" thoughts). Oh that apartment was by mihama.

The average income in Okinawa is in the neighborhood of 2,200,000 yen per year give or take a bit.

Let me add here, depending upon what you google, which you could do to get more accurate numbers, yet think about that number in comparison to the national average which is about 6,000,000 yen per year. Roughly 3 times that of Okinawa.

As a teacher you are expecting to make only $1,200.00 or so per month? Where are you teaching?

[jigenbakuda]

As a teacher you are expecting to make only $1,200.00 or so per month? Where are you teaching?

I'm expecting to make 200,000 a month, but something tells me it will be lower, with all I've heard about okinawa. I heard minimum wage was like 250,000 on mainland (for a conversational english teacher, although I would want to be an international school teacher, or a "real" english school teacher), and they are getting shafted (getting 200,000 in tokyo, thats harsh), so I just assume that mine would be no more than 200,000, if I was teaching. But to be honest, I have no idea how much I will make. My girlfriend will be a midwife, she'll make 200,000 - 220,000 a month in her first year, thats the only thing we know...

I'm just trying to get a feel of how much money we need to survive. I am really scared moving to oki, but I'm trying to prepare as much as I can. I'm not in the military, so I'll be living off base. I'll hopefully be in ginowan when I first move there. So I just wanted to know how much japanese earn, so I can compare my situation to theirs. If they can make it on this... so can I. This is the basis for my question.

[Muku]

I'm expecting to make 200,000 a month, but something tells me it will be lower, with all I've heard about okinawa. I heard minimum wage was like 250,000 on mainland (for a conversational english teacher, although I would want to be an international school teacher, or a "real" english school teacher), and they are getting shafted (getting 200,000 in tokyo, thats harsh), so I just assume that mine would be no more than 200,000, if I was teaching. But to be honest, I have no idea how much I will make. My girlfriend will be a midwife, she'll make 200,000 - 220,000 a month in her first year, thats the only thing we know...

I'm just trying to get a feel of how much money we need to survive. I am really scared moving to oki, but I'm trying to prepare as much as I can. I'm not in the military, so I'll be living off base. I'll hopefully be in ginowan when I first move there. So I just wanted to know how much japanese earn, so I can compare my situation to theirs. If they can make it on this... so can I. This is the basis for my question.
Between the two of you you should be fine. Many people here make it on much less than what they two of you will be earning and they have children as well.

Good luck!

[vvloc]

Jigenbakuda, you are asking questions at a time when the world economy is in extreme flux - the u.s. economy is in a recession that will likely be deeper and longer than many imagine - did you see the way the u.s. stockmarket basically shrugged off the 1/2% percent rate cut in today's market.

Japan, with its export driven economy, and a suddenly strong dollar may be looking not at a recession, but a depression. Quarterly earnings reports of titans like Sony, Toshiba, Toyota, etc. were absolutely horrid.

ANYBODY, economists (especially) and government officials attempting to predict where the bottom is, are little more than rank pretenders. Take any words of advice with extreme caution. These are as close to unprecedented times as I've EVER seen.

[Carl]

I'd say most locals make around $1600 or less a month (just a guess based on my experiences). I make $1700 doing IT stuff and my wife makes $1100 at a preschool (and that's with a college degree). She was making about $1400 when she was working at a pachinko place.

[Jazz]

OPM let's not give the wrong impression to readers here with this statement. There are plenty of active duty people around that think that some American's here are being greedy. And let's face it you know it too.:)



I never thought it was American greed. I always thought it was reperations(sp) being paid to Okinawan and Japanese land/apartment/home owners???

[Jazz]

What surprises me here is that most people think Okinawans are very frugal and smart w/ their money. I know some are and probably more are than Americans considering population, but I see a large amount of them living ignorant (outside their budget). Maybe not w/ a lavish house but with a nice car and frequent trips to the bar restaurants and pachinko. I'm sure many people here are in major debt. Well, people are paople no matter where you are so......

[jigenbakuda]

Jigenbakuda, you are asking questions at a time when the world economy is in extreme flux - the u.s. economy is in a recession that will likely be deeper and longer than many imagine - did you see the way the u.s. stockmarket basically shrugged off the 1/2% percent rate cut in today's market.

Japan, with its export driven economy, and a suddenly strong dollar may be looking not at a recession, but a depression. Quarterly earnings reports of titans like Sony, Toshiba, Toyota, etc. were absolutely horrid.

ANYBODY, economists (especially) and government officials attempting to predict where the bottom is, are little more than rank pretenders. Take any words of advice with extreme caution. These are as close to unprecedented times as I've EVER seen.

I am going to be very honest. I have no idea what this means. I read it a couple times and I can not understand it.

Are you saying that the amount of money that a teacher makes in oki, is not the same as it will be in 2010? Are you saying that japan is going into a recession?

I really am struggling :(

[vvloc]

I am going to be very honest. I have no idea what this means. I read it a couple times and I can not understand it.

Are you saying that the amount of money that a teacher makes in oki, is not the same as it will be in 2010? Are you saying that japan is going into a recession?

I really am struggling :(

I am saying that Japan will likely go into a depression and anyone who thinks their crystal ball is accurately calibrated is likely a charlatan - sorry if my thoughts are too dense.

[Old Timer]

I am saying that Japan will likely go into a depression and anyone who thinks their crystal ball is accurately calibrated is likely a charlatan - sorry if my thoughts are too dense.

At the least stay stagnated as they are now.........

[vvloc]

At the least stay stagnated as they are now.........

Sorry to be contrary, Old Timer, but I would say at the BEST stay stagnant - many food products have gone up ~20% the past 60 days - this could very well continue to inflate.

[gtlm2000]

I think Okinawan's average salary is between 120,000 to 130,000 yen.

[hankypanky]

Those landlords charge that amount for housing because americans will pay for "a taste of home". Plus, i don't think too many americans will pay out of pocket for these homes either. If the gov gives u a ceiling of 300,000 yen for a home in town, are you going to pick one for 90,000? No u want the biggest thing u can get that uncle sam will pay for.

Okinawa is the lowest paid prefecture in japan. That's why u see so many people wishing to get a base job. Monthly salary plus bonuses twice a year. The ideal job. Security. When alot of jobs are only 680 yen an hour, kinda hard to feed a family with that. That's why alot of young people stay living at home with mom and pop, no rent!


With no kids at home, me and mama could probably get by with Y250,000 a month. But that would be tight. Have to live in a much smaller apartment, drive a beater and drink light orion beer:D

But i chose to live here and if i have to go sell my ass to be able to keep up with the jones (Kinjo's) then i'll do what i gotta do. No unemployment for me says I:smile4:

[OtisPMerriweather]

OPM let's not give the wrong impression to readers here with this statement. There are plenty of active duty people around that think that some American's here are being greedy. And let's face it you know it too.:)


Just a quick question, and this doesn't need to devolve into an argument- but exactly how is it being greedy by taking advantages of the benefits you earn?

If I worked for a private employer and they gave me full dental benefits, is it greedy to try and find the best dentist around, even though it costs more?

If your job offered a housing benefit that would cover your family living in a condo, would you opt for a studio apartment instead?

[Muku]

Just a quick question, and this doesn't need to devolve into an argument- but exactly how is it being greedy by taking advantages of the benefits you earn?

If I worked for a private employer and they gave me full dental benefits, is it greedy to try and find the best dentist around, even though it costs more?

If your job offered a housing benefit that would cover your family living in a condo, would you opt for a studio apartment instead?


My comment was about the people, even one's who have commented here in the past about the housing allowance, that want to rip the system off by getting a house or apartment well below their allowance level and trying to figure out a way to pocket the balance.

I do not begrudge what people are allowed as a benefit here, it is one thing I think that is a quality of life issue. However I can also understand how some people, Okinawan's that is, feel jealous as well.

[The One]

My girlfriend owns two apartments that she rents to American Housing... Although she could live in one and rent ther other. She has chosen to live in a Japanese style home because she can make more money off Americans. (Her words)
We went to a party in one of the Foster family towers and she loved them. Very spacious and when I told her it was free to live there. She didn't understand why anyone would choose to live off base. But she is happy that they do. Hahaha

Also I am considering retirement here. I didn't know that Okinawans make little income. It almost seems that they must really manage there money well. Unilike myself, my girlfriend always prepares her meals. Breakfast lunch and dinner. I know that saves a lot of money. But retiring here, I think my money will be good enough to survive? I think...

[Asshat]

I do not begrudge what people are allowed as a benefit here, it is one thing I think that is a quality of life issue. However I can also understand how some people, Okinawan's that is, feel jealous as well.

I have never seen any jealousy by Okinawans concerning the deal. Also, I know of MANY Americans who spend out of pocket to get something a little nicer. They are active duty almost without exception, since they receive much less than civilians do, yet compete for the same realestate.

[hankypanky]

My girlfriend owns two apartments that she rents to American Housing... Although she could live in one and rent ther other. She has chosen to live in a Japanese style home because she can make more money off Americans. (Her words)
We went to a party in one of the Foster family towers and she loved them. Very spacious and when I told her it was free to live there. She didn't understand why anyone would choose to live off base. But she is happy that they do. Hahaha

Also I am considering retirement here. I didn't know that Okinawans make little income. It almost seems that they must really manage there money well. Unilike myself, my girlfriend always prepares her meals. Breakfast lunch and dinner. I know that saves a lot of money. But retiring here, I think my money will be good enough to survive? I think...

well, unless your a colonel, you retirement won't be enough. Unless all u drink is awamori at home:D

[thistle]

I think Okinawan's average salary is between 120,000 to 130,000 yen.

I think so too GT.

But the gap between men and women's salaries is quite substantial.

I remember one of my neighbours doing a temporary job in a bank, 8-5,
mon-fri and all she got after taxes was 80,000yen a month or something.

For women I'd say the average salary is 110,000 a month and for men from 140,000yen upwards.
That is why in Okinawa both parents have to work.

[leahjackson]

Average income in Okinawa was about 2/3 that of the average in mainland Japan, at least a few years ago when I checked. Of course Tokyo and other big cities are much higher than the average.

A "relative" is making 180,000 a month for 6 nights a week work in an izakaya. Not bad when you're getting free rent!

[I Am Luna]

$1200- $1300 a month more than enough? OPM where does she live and what is her rent?
When I lived in Naha that was enough for us. Our rent was less then $500.
I actually banked money down there because the military thought I was paying more for rent. Then I found out it was illegal so instead of continuing my operation I moved to Okinawa City.

I disagree, many are super lavish in comparison to the average Okinawan household.
Yep, my apartment is quite lavish and I haven't been to an "American" geared apartment complex that resembles a Japanese style apartment, let alone an Okinawan home. Are there any?

some American's here are being greedy.
Yep. I'm pocketing money at this apartment complex too. Its a little loop I found, a little in the gray area.

Also: Wasn't that apartment complex condo in Chatan geared for Americans? I know someone who is living in there. Also, I think it was on the news that locals were upset at the parent company because it is from Mainland....Muku, maybe you saw/read about it.

[Muku]

I have never seen any jealousy by Okinawans concerning the deal.
To be honest with you here the first thing that popped into my mind was the word うらやましい urayamashii, which translates first to envious, but the feeling of the word is not as strong as jealous, even though the word also has that meaning as well.

[Asshat]

To be honest with you here the first thing that popped into my mind was the word うらやましい urayamashii, which translates first to envious, but the feeling of the word is not as strong as jealous, even though the word also has that meaning as well.

As previously stated here, the only time I have seen it was many years ago when I lived on base in a piece of shit house. Heck, the in-laws loved it.

My off-base place now is about 1000 times better, bigger, more modern, etc. etc, and my Okinawan friends like it because it's layed out gourmet cooking style-open concept. But not for the bathrooms, size, newness, etc. etc.

Grand daughters love to come over because they can run around the house with the AC on. But still, my electric bill is never over 15K in summer.

[Muku]

One thing I think would be helpful to remember that some people may be making one amount of money as salary but they are not getting any benefits and are not covered by insurance, either health or pension.

If an employee is being paid without benefits they are only having income tax taken out of their pay and they are responsible for paying residency taxes, health insurance tax, and pension taxes on their own. Those can add up to a huge percentage, as much as 1/3 of a persons net pay.

Hence the reason many dont pay them and the problems within the system. Also another reason why many people with automobiles dont pay for collision insurance on their cars as well.

120,000 per month, with base or commissary access is a hell of a lot different than 120,000 per month and living totally on the economy.

[Sex Wax]

I'm just glad my Wife works and has enough to buy me a case of beer every other week or so. Because beer is important.

[Muku]

I'm just glad my Wife works and has enough to buy me a case of beer every other week or so. Because beer is important.

I have to buy my wifes beer too:crying:

Thankfully she doesnt drink as much as I do though:thumbup:

[Asshat]

I know a lot of naicha who make 600 yen an hour here at the hotels. I know a lot of OL's who make around 900 yen an hour. Those are all women-type positions. Just saying.

[Muku]

Also: Wasn't that apartment complex condo in Chatan geared for Americans? I know someone who is living in there. Also, I think it was on the news that locals were upset at the parent company because it is from Mainland....Muku, maybe you saw/read about it.


Sorry I missed that one....do you have a link to the story?

[wkarma]

I don't think this is entirely true. I know what you're getting at, but given the choice, Okinawans would LOVE to live in big cribs. Have you been to American village lately? There's a brand new high-rise right next to the JOMO called Lion's Mansion Mihama. They are super-fly condos, and no Americans live there.


Now they do. I have got two fiber installs there next tuesday.

Peace

[SleekStylz]

I don't think this is entirely true. I know what you're getting at, but given the choice, Okinawans would LOVE to live in big cribs. Have you been to American village lately? There's a brand new high-rise right next to the JOMO called Lion's Mansion Mihama. They are super-fly condos, and no Americans live there.


Umm...I live there...:smile4:
I think there are only about 5 or 6 Americans in my bldg though..

[dk]

I know a lot of people are unemployed on oki, because of choice. But someone is taking care of them... I wonder how? Does the person supporting them make 500,000 yen a month? How can they just take care of these people? Is the government helping?
No, they're usually making Y175,000 (or less) to Y250,000...

[TheLastDon]

There are a lot of rich people too, it's just that they don't flaunt it.

[proudtobnotpc]

Compared to Tokyo salary levels where a high school graduate receives an average monthly salary of 167,000 yen, the corresponding figure in Okinawa is 128,000 yen. If the same criteria are used to compare university graduate salaries, somebody in Tokyo would receive an average salary of 212,000 yen, while the comparable salary in Okinawa would be 165,000 yen. This represents a reduction of approximately 23%.

source: Okinawa JTRO (http://www.jetro.go.jp/en/invest/region/okinawa/faq.html)

[canjap02]

Between my wife and I we make about 300000yen a month, but keep in mind I have a regular full time job and 4 part time jobs. If you were to look at my in-laws Dads a nurse and mom works cooking at bento shop , they make at max together 320000yen , but dad blows it all on pachinko

[dk]

Between my wife and I we make about 300000yen a month, but keep in mind I have a regular full time job and 4 part time jobs. If you were to look at my in-laws Dads a nurse and mom works cooking at bento shop , they make at max together 320000yen , but dad blows it all on pachinko

Full time and four jobs for THAT? Between BOTH you and your wife? Shit, brother... **** THAT!

[daveh5o]

I am going to be very honest. I have no idea what this means. I read it a couple times and I can not understand it.

Are you saying that the amount of money that a teacher makes in oki, is not the same as it will be in 2010? Are you saying that japan is going into a recession?

I really am struggling :(

Japan gets 2/3 to 75 % of its wealth directly from the U.S. consumers purchases of their exported goods. If the U.S. recession keeps getting worse, so will Japan's.

[dk]

Japan gets 2/3 to 75 % of its wealth directly from the U.S. consumers purchases of their exported goods. If the U.S. recession keeps getting worse, so will Japan's.

Where are these numbers from? Just curious. Interesting.

[DoctorP]

Where are these numbers from? Just curious. Interesting.

it's called spam! (IP address! :rolleyes:)

[dk]

it's called spam! (IP address! :rolleyes:)

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[gtlm2000]

My salary is model kit.

[DoctorP]

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don't worry...I'm channeling Bones right now! :ohmy:

[Bones]

I know a chick here on Okinawa that came from mainland and got a job over at Jusco for about a month and a half and then got laid off. She hasn't had a job for like 2 months, but she's getting unemployment. I think she gets something like 1200-1300 dollars a month. More than enough to pay rent, etc.

Americans don't really live in "super lavish" accomodations, especially for the money. Americans pay 2-4 times what a local has to pay for rent. If a local was paying what the Americans are paying for rent, they'd be living in the penthouse condo at some high-rise down in Naha.

But I'm sure some of the "expats" here will tell you that it's just us Americans being greedy and we should all live on base anyways. :D

Americans do not pay anything for living in so called "lavish" places. Their rent is being paid for by the American Government if they are contractors, or military. For myself, I do not get a housing allowance, and we live in the same apartment that we had lived in the last time we were here. It's smaller than the apartment Doug used to live in, but we like it.

My next door neighbor is in the Military. He gets a housing allowance, and pays roughly twice as much for the same apartment. Why, because the housing office has looked at his pay stub, and they suck every penny of his housing allowance out of his pocket. So if anyone is being greedy, it's the local housing offices.

Things are expensive off-base, and most people will have a hard time controlling their spending habits. But with a little bit of self-control, you can put some money in the bank, make friends, and have a great time.:old:

[gtlm2000]

It's enough to live in Okinawa with 120,000 to 130,000 yen in Okinawa.
That's why I want to back to Okinawa. The prises are cheep in Okinawa.
Mainland is expensive everything. :(

[socalheart]

After reading about how much some of y'all make off base, it's no wonder that the people who work for our company want to keep their jobs. To maintain a Western lifestyle here costs more money than most Westerners make here. (Not including military in this...) It's no wonder we retain more non-SOFA employees regardless of the long hours and hard work.

What is the legal minimum wage rate for Okinawa???
Thanks... :)

[Carl]

Americans do not pay anything for living in so called "lavish" places. Their rent is being paid for by the American Government if they are contractors, or military. For myself, I do not get a housing allowance, and we live in the same apartment that we had lived in the last time we were here. It's smaller than the apartment Doug used to live in, but we like it.

My next door neighbor is in the Military. He gets a housing allowance, and pays roughly twice as much for the same apartment. Why, because the housing office has looked at his pay stub, and they suck every penny of his housing allowance out of his pocket. So if anyone is being greedy, it's the local housing offices.

Things are expensive off-base, and most people will have a hard time controlling their spending habits. But with a little bit of self-control, you can put some money in the bank, make friends, and have a great time.:old:

Most contractors don't get a housing allowance nor COLA and pretty much all new contracts out there now don't offer it. Some companies out there (*cough*CSC*cough*) have been known to bill the government for an employee's housing allowance, but keep it for themselves to pay their numerous managers.

[gtlm2000]

After reading about how much some of y'all make off base, it's no wonder that the people who work for our company want to keep their jobs. To maintain a Western lifestyle here costs more money than most Westerners make here. (Not including military in this...) It's no wonder we retain more non-SOFA employees regardless of the long hours and hard work.

What is the legal minimum wage rate for Okinawa???
Thanks... :)

It's 610 yen for per a hour.

[dk]

After reading about how much some of y'all make off base, it's no wonder that the people who work for our company want to keep their jobs. To maintain a Western lifestyle here costs more money than most Westerners make here. (Not including military in this...) It's no wonder we retain more non-SOFA employees regardless of the long hours and hard work.

What is the legal minimum wage rate for Okinawa???
Thanks... :)

How much do you pay your IT people? Or, if you don't have any IT people, how much do you pay your specialists or most experienced/useful employees?

[socalheart]

How much do you pay your IT people? Or, if you don't have any IT people, how much do you pay your specialists or most experienced/useful employees?

We don't have any actual IT people yet, but our managers make approximately what canjap does give or take 50000 yen depending on hours worked. We're not allowed to discuss specifics of company employee salaries.

[dk]

We don't have any actual IT people yet, but our managers make approximately what canjap does give or take 50000 yen depending on hours worked. We're not allowed to discuss specifics of company employee salaries.

Oh... from reading your last post, I assumed you meant you paid closer to what the base jobs pay... That sucks... Sorry. You're only going to get the lowest of the low IT guys for that pay... IT is super complicated, and anyone with more than entry-level experience will be able to get a job at Citigroup or another better-paying company than have to work full-time in IT for 200,000 a month...

If there's ANYONE in a company that should be overpaid, it's your IT workers. They will have full-access to your data and will be able to do the most damage if you get one that turns spiteful. You want the best, and that means you will have to pay them well or put up with the low retainment and skill level of the IT staff at most other off-base businesses (low, or non-existent).

Require that your IT workers have certs or degrees at a minimum, and pay them Y275,000 / month, minimum. Rather than hire two amateurs, hire one solid one, pay him well, and keep him loyal. If you pay him what an English teacher makes, he's not going to put up with the company very long.

[proudtobnotpc]

How much do you pay your IT people? Or, if you don't have any IT people, how much do you pay your specialists or most experienced/useful employees?

I pay them with beer and broads and they are very loyal as I always keep a copy of the parties pics:first:

[dk]

I pay them with beer and broads and they are very loyal as I always keep a copy of the parties pics:first:

You probably can't tell the difference between your IT workers and your Graphics / Marketing team (if you have any) lol.

[proudtobnotpc]

You probably can't tell the difference between your IT workers and your Graphics / Marketing team (if you have any) lol.

damn it man- there is a difference? shit time to go and check on some things. I thought that if you could write some code and I gave you lot's of beer than the whole marketing thing would not be a problem

[Mehi River]

RB is always writing code....

[Blues]

IT is super complicated

Trying to find find dem dagg'on lost packets and frames is a real kickin' da ass I tell yer what. Less I reckon bout that one time der was a doozy of a time of I was tryin to learn bout bits and bites, but da only ones I know bout dem fleas!

[dk]

Trying to find find dem dagg'on lost packets and frames is a real kickin' da ass I tell yer what. Less I reckon bout that one time der was a doozy of a time of I was tryin to learn bout bits and bites, but da only ones I know bout dem fleas!

Lol I'm in your sig again! :D

[canjap02]

Full time and four jobs for THAT? Between BOTH you and your wife? Shit, brother... **** THAT!

Ya I know it sucks (hell I think i made more money driven pizza at 16) But keep in mind niether my wife nor I are "regular" teachers, were both assitant teachers. My wife is trying to become a regular teacher now and she says that they make about 200000yen/month but the also get summer and winter bonus that are about 400000-600000yen each.

[dk]

Ya I know it sucks (hell I think i made more money driven pizza at 16) But keep in mind niether my wife nor I are "regular" teachers, were both assitant teachers. My wife is trying to become a regular teacher now and she says that they make about 200000yen/month but the also get summer and winter bonus that are about 400000-600000yen each.

Okinawa sucks.......

[gtlm2000]

Okinawa sucks.......

Do you want to come to work in Shizuoka?

[dk]

Do you want to come to work in Shizuoka?

Nope, but I will probably get the **** off Okinawa with my family the first chance I get at a good salary/future. lol. I'm comfortably apathetic. I make decent money on Okinawa. I just feel sorry for people like Canjap that have to work four jobs to make ends meet on an island that really isn't all that beautiful.

Everyone, just FYI, Y200,000 a month is shit. You deserve better than that...

[TheLastDon]

How much do locals make?



I'm sure it's more than ZERO.

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/photoplog/file.php?n=637&w=l

[Haru-sa]

My comment was about the people, even one's who have commented here in the past about the housing allowance, that want to rip the system off by getting a house or apartment well below their allowance level and trying to figure out a way to pocket the balance.


That's absolutely LEGAL for me to do, so knock off the condemning BS. Here's a hint, you'd be doing it too if you could find a way to do it legally.

[Bones]

Nope, but I will probably get the **** off Okinawa with my family the first chance I get at a good salary/future. lol. I'm comfortably apathetic. I make decent money on Okinawa. I just feel sorry for people like Canjap that have to work four jobs to make ends meet on an island that really isn't all that beautiful.

Everyone, just FYI, Y200,000 a month is shit. You deserve better than that...

Well dk, I hope that you get your wish.

The last time that we returned to the "States", I hated it.

Illegal aliens wanting health benefits, Mexicans asking for Tacos in a Chinese place, drug dealers selling their stuff in our complex,........

You can have all of it.:army:

[proudtobnotpc]

Well dk, I hope that you get your wish.

The last time that we returned to the "States", I hated it.

Illegal aliens wanting health benefits, Mexicans asking for Tacos in a Chinese place, drug dealers selling their stuff in our complex,........

You can have all of it.:army:
he seems to think that a fatter pay check will solve everything

[dk]

Well dk, I hope that you get your wish.

The last time that we returned to the "States", I hated it.

Illegal aliens wanting health benefits, Mexicans asking for Tacos in a Chinese place, drug dealers selling their stuff in our complex,........

You can have all of it.:army:

I think I've just outgrown Okinawa. Or, at least I'm getting there. For the time being... I'll probably end up staying here forever, but it wouldn't bother me to move back to the states for a decade or so...

[dk]

he seems to think that a fatter pay check will solve everything

Nah, Project Managers make bank out here. I'll get to that point eventually, regardless of where I go. And bank ($100k+ a year) is MAD BANK on Okinawa when you consider in cost of living.

I'm just tired of the smallness of this island and the stupidity that abounds...

[proudtobnotpc]

Nah, Project Managers make bank out here. I'll get to that point eventually, regardless of where I go. And bank ($100k+ a year) is MAD BANK on Okinawa when you consider in cost of living.

I'm just tired of the smallness of this island and the stupidity that abounds...

actually thats cool follow it and you can always come back and dive with us:D

[dk]

actually thats cool follow it and you can always come back and dive with us:D

I'd like to experience working IT in America at least once. There's so much more to offer than there is here. From a developer's perspective, we just wing it out here. I'd love to work around programmers who could literally program circles around me. Humbling newsflash: I'm really not that good of a developer. Okinawa is just that small...

[proudtobnotpc]

I'd like to experience working IT in America at least once. There's so much more to offer than there is here. From a developer's perspective, we just wing it out here. I'd love to work around programmers who could literally program circles around me. Humbling newsflash: I'm really not that good of a developer. Okinawa is just that small...

great attitude and like I said go for it man, I did and I'm very happy with the little things I have going

[Haru-sa]

he seems to think that a fatter pay check will solve everything

nope. DK, for what it's worth....

I've never feared walking here anywhere at night by myself. I have feared for my life walking during the day in many places in the USA.

What you hate about this place may very well become some of the fondest memories when you get back. I remember my first night back here after 19 months away. The sound of scooters, busses, sanshin in the distance, audible but not quite discernable Japanese being spoken mixed with the sound of a sliding door at my in-laws house rolled up with many, many other sounds from here was actually soothing rather than irritating. then came the smells, sen-ko, soba cooking, sanmai-niku stewing, bus exhaust, spilled beer and awamori, and many, many other things mixed. It all made for a great first night's sleep back here after time gone.

Many people have tropical backgrounds on their computers and yearn for a chance to just go there. Dude, you LIVE there. 80 minutes by boat to some of the most beautiful little islands in the world, garbage free, pristine and natural.

**** concrete, **** crowds and Mihama. But even more, **** keeping up with the joneses, home depot trips to fix the fixer upper that you got for a song and then just found out devalued itself another $40k. Unless there's something specific you're missing out on, you're missing out on nothing.

[TheLastDon]

nope. DK, for what it's worth....

I've never feared walking here anywhere at night by myself. I have feared for my life walking during the day in many places in the USA.

What you hate about this place may very well become some of the fondest memories when you get back. I remember my first night back here after 19 months away. The sound of scooters, busses, sanshin in the distance, audible but not quite discernable Japanese being spoken mixed with the sound of a sliding door at my in-laws house rolled up with many, many other sounds from here was actually soothing rather than irritating. then came the smells, sen-ko, soba cooking, sanmai-niku stewing, bus exhaust, spilled beer and awamori, and many, many other things mixed. It all made for a great first night's sleep back here after time gone.

Many people have tropical backgrounds on their computers and yearn for a chance to just go there. Dude, you LIVE there. 80 minutes by boat to some of the most beautiful little islands in the world, garbage free, pristine and natural.

**** concrete, **** crowds and Mihama. But even more, **** keeping up with the joneses, home depot trips to fix the fixer upper that you got for a song and then just found out devalued itself another $40k. Unless there's something specific you're missing out on, you're missing out on nothing.

Nice post man!

[Haru-sa]

locals that drive like crap, random discrimination, purple haired women with attitudes and all of the other teeth sucking crap that drives us all crazy... hell, even RB; that's petty stuff in the grand scheme. You'll find just as many irritating behaviors in San Diego, or Glen Burnie, MD, Daytona, Florida or anywhere else. The place is what you make of it.

[dk]

Haru-san. I've left and come back to this island a few times. At this point in my life, there is more of a professional reason why I wouldn't mind leaving. I'd love to live at the cutting edge of web development technology. I'd love to be able to drive or take a bus to conferences rather than asking employers to send me every year or two (and I haven't been to one since 2005...). I'd love to work with a group of programmers who can actually mentor me rather than throwing me in as the guinea pig to figure things out. I'd like to work with programmers who have years of this behind them and to become a better programmer for it, and to rekindle that love I have occasionally lost of programming...

The other reason, as I said, is that this island is just too damn small. I actually feel like I've seen everything. I could go to all sorts of cultural spots, and I'd enjoy myself, but I won't be fascinated. I want to be somewhere brand new where I can think, "Wow, damn, I've never seen that before."

From your post, it sounds like you think I'd be willing to move to the ghetto to be a programmer... I understand that there are tough places in every city. If I were to take a job in the states, I would be very selective about where I went. I wouldn't leave this place for just anything.

And keep in mind also that I have been here for over 20 years. Maybe around 24. I've lost count. I've seen a lot. Some people never lose that love. For me, it's always been bittersweet. Okinawa and I have a love/hate relationship, and it's always been that way.

[Haru-sa]

I'd love to work with a group of programmers who can actually mentor me rather than throwing me in as the guinea pig to figure things out. I'd like to work with programmers who have years of this behind them and to become a better programmer for it, and to rekindle that love I have occasionally lost of programming...

The other reason, as I said, is that this island is just too damn small. I actually feel like I've seen everything. I could go to all sorts of cultural spots, and I'd enjoy myself, but I won't be fascinated. I want to be somewhere brand new where I can think, "Wow, damn, I've never seen that before."

From your post, it sounds like you think I'd be willing to move to the ghetto to be a programmer... I understand that there are tough places in every city. If I were to take a job in the states, I would be very selective about where I went. I wouldn't leave this place for just anything.

And keep in mind also that I have been here for over 20 years. Maybe around 24. I've lost count. I've seen a lot. Some people never lose that love. For me, it's always been bittersweet. Okinawa and I have a love/hate relationship, and it's always been that way.

DK,

I never knew that much about you, just saw many a good person leave with one goal only to shake their head and lik to kick their own ass 6 months later because they moved on.

I know about getting stale in a job and losing the magic of it, been there, and am in fact in kinda that now, but it comes and goes. Definately surrounding yourself with a fleet of folks that lift you rather han drag youis desirable.

as for he ghetto, this was 1 block off of the "reformed and tourist friendly" inner harbor in Baltimore, right outside the Smithsonian in DC and even in LA airport and San Francisco too. It just felt alien and not my own home any more. The added stress of havin to watch my back would freak me the hell out.

Understand that if you gotta go, you gotta go, such is life. The island loses a huge talent when you gothough, hopefully RB can pick up the torch where you left offf...

[TheLastDon]

DK,

I never knew that much about you, just saw many a good person leave with one goal only to shake their head and lik to kick their own ass 6 months later because they moved on.

I know about getting stale in a job and losing the magic of it, been there, and am in fact in kinda that now, but it comes and goes. Definately surrounding yourself with a fleet of folks that lift you rather han drag youis desirable.

as for he ghetto, this was 1 block off of the "reformed and tourist friendly" inner harbor in Baltimore, right outside the Smithsonian in DC and even in LA airport and San Francisco too. It just felt alien and not my own home any more. The added stress of havin to watch my back would freak me the hell out.

Understand that if you gotta go, you gotta go, such is life. The island loses a huge talent when you gothough, hopefully RB can pick up the torch where you left offf...

Agree with you on so many points, especially that one. I was just there in March. The magic is no longer there like when you were a kid. And having to spend a week in downtown DC. :barf: Can't buy beer anywhere too :-| except at the hotel bar and it's almost $10.

[dk]

DK,

I never knew that much about you, just saw many a good person leave with one goal only to shake their head and lik to kick their own ass 6 months later because they moved on.

I know about getting stale in a job and losing the magic of it, been there, and am in fact in kinda that now, but it comes and goes. Definately surrounding yourself with a fleet of folks that lift you rather han drag youis desirable.

as for he ghetto, this was 1 block off of the "reformed and tourist friendly" inner harbor in Baltimore, right outside the Smithsonian in DC and even in LA airport and San Francisco too. It just felt alien and not my own home any more. The added stress of havin to watch my back would freak me the hell out.

Understand that if you gotta go, you gotta go, such is life. The island loses a huge talent when you gothough, hopefully RB can pick up the torch where you left offf...

I promise, I will give you all some serious notice before I pack my bags. :)

RB has his own forum now, so I'm sure he will be a suitable replacement. lol.

[socalheart]

And keep in mind also that I have been here for over 20 years. Maybe around 24. I've lost count. I've seen a lot. Some people never lose that love. For me, it's always been bittersweet. Okinawa and I have a love/hate relationship, and it's always been that way.
Amen, lil brother! Everybody gets http://dl8.glitter-graphics.net/pub/745/745808ltwik4mnkd.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com) on both sides of the round floaty multi-colored thingy. :p

[dk]

Amen, lil brother! Everybody gets http://dl8.glitter-graphics.net/pub/745/745808ltwik4mnkd.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com) on both sides of the round floaty multi-colored thingy. :p

At least somebody gets me. :thumbup:

[garryizumi]

Between my wife and I we make about 300000yen a month, but keep in mind I have a regular full time job and 4 part time jobs. If you were to look at my in-laws Dads a nurse and mom works cooking at bento shop , they make at max together 320000yen , but dad blows it all on pachinko

Hi, sorry to revive an old thread, but I have to comment on this topic.
Has the economy sunken so badly since I left Okinawa that folks are still making these wages (ref. all posts in this thread).

I left the AF in Feb 1994, and began working for a Japanese masonry (block) company: my starting daily wage was 8000 yen/day..we worked 6 days/wk w/ ot pay. this was an avg of 192,000 yen/month (1994).
After 6 months, I was recruited by an Okinawan company (my boss' competitor) and received a 20000 yen (daily wage) raise immediately. at this point my monthly salary averaged 240000 yen/month.

Before I left Okinawa (9/1996) my wage was 12000 yen/day (average 288000/month). In addition, my wife was working part-time at a bento-ya and making 120,000/ month. This was a combined salary of over 400,000 yen/month. Our rent was 35,000 yen for a 1 ldk in Chatan. utilities were also around 35,000- health ins. 16,000 - gasoline and car ins 20,000- daycare 20,000, food-40,000.

Total expenses were 166,000/ month..we blew another 50,000 or so at the izakaya and parties. going out (dates) was another 15000/month.
We put 100,000/month into savings and still had money left to play with.

This was 13 years ago; my wife has talked about moving back after the kids are grown, but after reading this thread I'm really leary of entertaining that idea!

[hankypanky]

Hi, sorry to revive an old thread, but I have to comment on this topic.
Has the economy sunken so badly since I left Okinawa that folks are still making these wages (ref. all posts in this thread).

I left the AF in Feb 1994, and began working for a Japanese masonry (block) company: my starting daily wage was 8000 yen/day..we worked 6 days/wk w/ ot pay. this was an avg of 192,000 yen/month (1994).
After 6 months, I was recruited by an Okinawan company (my boss' competitor) and received a 20000 yen (daily wage) raise immediately. at this point my monthly salary averaged 240000 yen/month.

Before I left Okinawa (9/1996) my wage was 12000 yen/day (average 288000/month). In addition, my wife was working part-time at a bento-ya and making 120,000/ month. This was a combined salary of over 400,000 yen/month. Our rent was 35,000 yen for a 1 ldk in Chatan. utilities were also around 35,000- health ins. 16,000 - gasoline and car ins 20,000- daycare 20,000, food-40,000.

Total expenses were 166,000/ month..we blew another 50,000 or so at the izakaya and parties. going out (dates) was another 15000/month.
We put 100,000/month into savings and still had money left to play with.

This was 13 years ago; my wife has talked about moving back after the kids are grown, but after reading this thread I'm really leary of entertaining that idea!

Sounds like the reason you got recruited by a competition company is because you did good work and you had a serious work ethic. Things haven't changed that much. If you work ethic is still the same, you can still make that money.
Very few people now a days don't like to get their hands dirty and work there ass off. I guess that is the only honest type of work you can do and feel like you accomplished something at the end of the day.

The only thing is i would expect is the cost of living has gone up in the last 15 years. You won't have to pay child care, but the rent and utilities would of gone up alittle. With both you and your wife working, you'll make out. If you could get 300,000 a month, she could just stay home also.

It's only hard for people here that are looking for "their" job, those that want to work won't have a problem. :thumbup:

[garryizumi]

Sounds like the reason you got recruited by a competition company is because you did good work and you had a serious work ethic. Things haven't changed that much. If you work ethic is still the same, you can still make that money.
Very few people now a days don't like to get their hands dirty and work there ass off. I guess that is the only honest type of work you can do and feel like you accomplished something at the end of the day.

The only thing is i would expect is the cost of living has gone up in the last 15 years. You won't have to pay child care, but the rent and utilities would of gone up alittle. With both you and your wife working, you'll make out. If you could get 300,000 a month, she could just stay home also.

It's only hard for people here that are looking for "their" job, those that want to work won't have a problem. :thumbup:

You are absolutely correct! Construction trades generally pay better than 4 yr. degrees! (my experienced masons are paid between $17-$20 per hour)
I was in the 18th CES at Kadena, so I was no stranger to busting my butt and sweating..I am still doing masonry, but now I own the company; the work ethics I learned and practiced through the years have helped me to stay on top of deadlines. The efficiency methods that I learned and practiced in Okinawa still help me today.
I don't know that I would be willing to move back to Okinawa at this point- actually, I'm sure of it. If and when I do, it will be for retirement and I won't worry about employment at that point:thumbup1:

My advice to those that want to work AND make good money..look into the construction trade..in Okinawa it still pays well!
I know that the construction workers get snubbed and looked down upon, but that is due to the public's ignorance..it's not their fault if they don't know.
It's not all roses though, as you already know, racism exists very openly in the workplace..the construction site is no different..so be prepared to deal with it if you pursue this career.

[dk]

It's only hard for people here that are looking for "their" job, those that want to work won't have a problem. :thumbup:
This is about the most retarded thing ever. Are you saying that those of us who are selective about the line of work we will accept are somehow lazier or want to work less? We're not all cut out for mowing lawns. Some of us have invested thousands of dollars and hours of learning into our futures and careers. You may be happy to do odd jobs to get whatever money people will give you, but that is positively not for everyone.

The world needs handymen, though...

[Richard Burns]

My first and foremost job is survival.

I've been lucky enough to land the career I have now and hopefully my education will help move me in the right direction.

Now I've done it all. On this island I started on the bottem. I've moved furniture, dug holes 12 feet deep in the ground by hand, mopped floors, mowed lawns etc.

I don't get how wanting a better job is being lazy. Who wants to get burned in the Okinawa sun all day.

Now if I had no choice then you bet your ass I'd be back out there doing anything for money but........

[garryizumi]

This is about the most retarded thing ever. Are you saying that those of us who are selective about the line of work we will accept are somehow lazier or want to work less? We're not all cut out for mowing lawns. Some of us have invested thousands of dollars and hours of learning into our futures and careers. You may be happy to do odd jobs to get whatever money people will give you, but that is positively not for everyone.

The world needs handymen, though...

DK, I'm not answering for hankypanky; my view is that everyone should do whatever they prefer to do for work, and if you have training or a passion for your work..even better and more satisfying. The AF trained me, so I was able to secure employment in my field fairly easily; I also love to work with my hands and build things..there are still 100's of structures in Okinawa that I had a hand in building- that is very satisfying to me.
But as you said, not every one is cut out for mowing lawns, (or construction, or mechanics, or teaching english). Everyone has to find their niche, and no-you don't have to jump on the first available job offer; you can be patient and selective..
My suggestion to "give construction a look" was directed at those that are still undecided and searching for work.

[Richard Burns]

Construction in the states pays a lot and possibly here on base.

Okinawa construction jobs pay shit.

[dk]

I agree with you 100%, Garry. I just hate hearing the idea that, "If you want to find work, you can find work."

No, it is NOT always as easy as that here... I was offered a job doing IT for some little tiny security start-up about 1.5 years ago. Dude offered me $1000 a month. ****. THAT.

Finding a good job is like waiting for the perfect pitch. You're a shitty batter if you swing at everything...

[garryizumi]

Construction in the states pays a lot and possibly here on base.

Okinawa construction jobs pay shit.

did you read my original post? are you saying construction jobs don't pay well now, or when I worked construction in Okinawa?
What is the basis of your statement?
Thanks

[proudtobnotpc]

This is about the most retarded thing ever. Are you saying that those of us who are selective about the line of work we will accept are somehow lazier or want to work less? We're not all cut out for mowing lawns. Some of us have invested thousands of dollars and hours of learning into our futures and careers. You may be happy to do odd jobs to get whatever money people will give you, but that is positively not for everyone.

The world needs handymen, though...

next time you have sewage leaking all over your computers think about the investment you made

[TheLastDon]

did you read my original post? are you saying construction jobs don't pay well now, or when I worked construction in Okinawa?
What is the basis of your statement?
Thanks

You will learn to ignore Rb, he talks out of his *** most of the time.

What he lacks in knowledge he makes up for it with ignorance. :D

[dk]

next time you have sewage leaking all over your computers think about the investment you made
Sewage leaking all over computers? Do you keep your IT staff in the bathroom? WTF???

[dk]

You will learn to ignore Rb, he talks out of his *** most of the time.

What he lacks in knowledge he makes up for it with ignorance. :D
Proud too, but he's fun to drink with. lol.

[proudtobnotpc]

Construction in the states pays a lot and possibly here on base.

Okinawa construction jobs pay shit.

actually the construction workers in Okinawa are some of the highest paid workers (average income) wish I could find the numbers to prove it but its true

[dk]

Hearsay vs Hearsay

Proud wins. lol

[garryizumi]

actually the construction workers in Okinawa are some of the highest paid workers (average income) wish I could find the numbers to prove it but its true

my father-in-law retired a few years ago; his top pay when he left was 20,000/day salary that's around 6,000,000 with bonuses..not bad for construction :scratchchin:

[dk]

my father-in-law retired a few years ago; his top pay when he left was 20,000/day salary that's around 6,000,000 with bonuses..not bad for construction :scratchchin:
Not bad for Okinawa, period.

[proudtobnotpc]

my father-in-law retired a few years ago; his top pay when he left was 20,000/day salary that's around 6,000,000 with bonuses..not bad for construction :scratchchin:

thank you my point exactly

[dk]

Still shitty compared to base pay though lol. And even off-base, IT workers at Citigroup are pulling in good money from what I hear. Nothing like what the bases can/will pay though.

[proudtobnotpc]

Proud too, but he's fun to drink with. lol.

dude if I was intelligent enough to be offended.................:grin1:

[proudtobnotpc]

Still shitty compared to base pay though lol. And even off-base, IT workers at Citigroup are pulling in good money from what I hear. Nothing like what the bases can/will pay though.

I need to get this out ---- IT workers are total dorks and a complete waste of life (except for the ones that keep the porn sites running):D but they are fun to drink with

[dk]

I need to get this out ---- IT workers are total dorks and a complete waste of life (except for the ones that keep the porn sites running):D but they are fun to drink with
They also keep your sensitive information safe. If I ever get into the business of identity theft, yours will be first. :thumbup1:

[garryizumi]

Still shitty compared to base pay though lol. And even off-base, IT workers at Citigroup are pulling in good money from what I hear. Nothing like what the bases can/will pay though.

I have no idea what on base salaries are (although i'm sure NAF is still as bad as always) The last time I worked on base, I was in the AF:w00t:

[dk]

I have no idea what on base salaries are (although i'm sure NAF is still as bad as always) The last time I worked on base, I was in the AF:w00t:
NAF isn't that bad, especially if you throw in benefits. For instance, 100% full tuition assistance is pretty nice.

[proudtobnotpc]

They also keep your sensitive information safe. If I ever get into the business of identity theft, yours will be first. :thumbup1:

take it, as this could be fun :first:

[DoctorP]

Construction in the states pays a lot and possibly here on base.

Okinawa construction jobs pay shit.

Could it be that you have no trade??? I mean if you are just a gopher, then yes you won't make jack shit, but if you have a specialty then you can demand good money.

[Richard Burns]

Right Doctor P.

Sorry JU I will reclarify.

In RB's exerience off base construction pays shit.

The post was not directed at anyone elses post just my 2¥.

[DoctorP]

Right Doctor P.

Sorry JU I will reclarify.

In RB's exerience off base construction pays shit.

The post was not directed at anyone elses post just my 2¥.

Not trying to belittle you RB, it's just that I've seen plumbers that make $150/hr in the US, I've seen masons that can do unbelievable work and they pick and choose which jobs to take. A good friend of mine is a glazer and he does the same thing. If a job isn't paying his asking rate, then he keeps walking.

[Richard Burns]

NAF pays some people a lot. I know some cats that bring in like 3 grand a month after taxes.

[Samusan1986]

to answer the threads question, an average Japanese apartment is around $450-$800, Gas 60, electricity 80-120, water 20, garbage 30. and my wife makes about 1600-2000 a month, (she spends the rest on wacky Japanese clothes, lol, JK Yuki)

[Richard Burns]

When it comes to jobs you are paid not by how hard the work is but you're paid by how replaceable you are.

Example, if a dude has his Master's, certs up the ass and experience so he can demand a lot and people will pay it because he's valuable.

Now towel folders and stuff can be replaced easily so the pay is garbage.

[Godzilla]

NAF pays some people a lot. I know some cats that bring in like 3 grand a month after taxes.

3,000 a month is a lot? I am sorry bro but 36,000 a year is shit pay.

[Richard Burns]

3,000 a month is a lot? I am sorry bro but 36,000 a year is shit pay.

It's a lot on Okinawa where the cost of living is cheap. I make less then that and once my debt is paid off I'll have a crap load of money left over to save and invest and spend.

[Godzilla]

It's a lot on Okinawa where the cost of living is cheap. I make less then that and once my debt is paid off I'll have a crap load of money left over to save and invest and spend.

Sure, whatever works for you!

[garryizumi]

Could it be that you have no trade??? I mean if you are just a gopher, then yes you won't make jack shit, but if you have a specialty then you can demand good money.

You got it! minnarai/beginner with no experience starts around 6000/day..a little more than minimum wage.
Ive seen floor finishers and specialty cedar carpenters (no-nail const) earn between 20,000-23,000/daily ..this was in 1996:thumbup1:
When I came back to the US in 1996, i took a pay cut at $12/hr for a lead mason..within 3 months I was 'promoted' to foreman after the bosses saw my work..that came with a $4 raise ($16/hr). Several years later, I started my own masonry business:first:
bottom line-skilled tradesmen make good wages. laborers..not so much.

[Richard Burns]

Very good post Garry. You made a good point that I overlooked.

[Richard Burns]

Sure, whatever works for you!

Yup. I'm not a millionare. But I have a job that I love with good and people and I'm excited to go there everyday.

[DoctorP]

Yup. I'm not a millionare. But I have a job that I love with good and people and I'm excited to go there everyday, so I can post on the forums from my iphone.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D

[garryizumi]

Very good post Garry. You made a good point that I overlooked.

Thanks, you guys/girls are a fun group..maybe we'll cross paths the next time my wife and I go to Okinawa (Feb next yr)

take care,
Garry

[leonthelion]

Oh... from reading your last post, I assumed you meant you paid closer to what the base jobs pay... That sucks... Sorry. You're only going to get the lowest of the low IT guys for that pay... IT is super complicated, and anyone with more than entry-level experience will be able to get a job at Citigroup or another better-paying company than have to work full-time in IT for 200,000 a month...

If there's ANYONE in a company that should be overpaid, it's your IT workers. They will have full-access to your data and will be able to do the most damage if you get one that turns spiteful. You want the best, and that means you will have to pay them well or put up with the low retainment and skill level of the IT staff at most other off-base businesses (low, or non-existent).

Require that your IT workers have certs or degrees at a minimum, and pay them Y275,000 / month, minimum. Rather than hire two amateurs, hire one solid one, pay him well, and keep him loyal. If you pay him what an English teacher makes, he's not going to put up with the company very long.

I came back to IT after several years, and didn't think I could enter the marketplace after such a break. I'd say 90% of interviews in Osaka for web programming positions / flash animations were handed to me. I took the easiest looking one for 210,000 a month, negotiated working from home, then took on another part-time client in Tokyo and a few freelance ones. The competency of Japanese IT workers at the normal level is laughable. Most 15yo kids from Aus/USA, etc could run rings around them. I'm not just blowing my own enormous horn here, I think that the practical skills we get as opposed to their fear of breaking stuff and never learning makes us very employable in Japan. Maybe that applies to other engineering trades, too?

The most I've earned from one job in Japan was 350,000 as a waiter in a strip club in Osaka. That was long hard hours (looking at ****ies!), but I pulled another few jobs on top of that. If you are hungry enough, you can always fill up your time slots with more work, but these days, I want more time with my family, that's why we're moving to Oki, will keep living cheap as I've learnt to do over the years.

I couldn't touch a house for the prices military are paying. My aim is about 50,000 for a house/apartment there with enough space for a bike n car n tools, which will require moving away from the cities and doing some searching, but its not impossible. Somewhere like Onna-son looks nice. It has a beach :thumbup1:

Send the wife out to work (which keeps her busy), and we should be able to survive.

[Rossi46]

It's a lot on Okinawa where the cost of living is cheap. I make less then that and once my debt is paid off I'll have a crap load of money left over to save and invest and spend.

If it makes you happy that's all that matters RB:thumbup:

[dk]

The competency of Japanese IT workers at the normal level is laughable. Most 15yo kids from Aus/USA, etc could run rings around them. I'm not just blowing my own enormous horn here, I think that the practical skills we get as opposed to their fear of breaking stuff and never learning makes us very employable in Japan. Maybe that applies to other engineering trades, too?

Agree 100% :)

[Carl]

I think you could live pretty comfortably on $3000 a month in Okinawa. Of course, if you go through the American housing agencies and you're working off base, you're an idiot. You can get a decent enough house for less than $900 a month by going through Japanese agencies. I have a 3 bedroom house, large yard, and 4 car parking for $800. When I was working off base, I made around $1500 a month and had few problems (It would be tough now though with the baby getting older). I couldn't go out drinking every weekend, but I had a decent 2LDK apartment and saved up enough for me and my wife and kid to take a 2 week trip to the States for Xmas.

[canjap02]

ya the wife and I make around 35-40 a month and it does ok, not great since I eat so much but Ill sacerfice (sp?) beer and smokes before I do good eatin.