Needing a Job

[wenjam]

So, I am sitting here trying not to knock myself unconcious from beating my head against a wall because I can not find a job. I have looked high and low...on base granted...but I am a fraidy cat when it comes to language barriers off base...and I am not experienced enough to work as a waitress, or the other ONLY jobs they put out there for us dependents. I have a Medical Technology degree, and it really irritates me that I made $20/ hr in the States, but can't get a job that pays $8/hr here.
Right now, I am about to go insane because I have applied for 7 jobs, and I don't have the experience they are looking for. Well, DUH!! I have been a Med Tech for the last 10.5 years, why would I do anything else? Oh, can someone please help me...I am not built for a stay-at-home-mom. I hope that does not sound bad, but I am seriously getting cabin fever not making any money.:(

[socalheart]

Have you tried the base clubs for cashier type positions? Unless you luck out with the clinics or hospital, you are S.O.L. in finding a job you are actually qaulified for here. Yes, you're over qualified to be a cashier, but it'll get you out of the house. You can also apply with the concessionaires on base. AAFES probably needs seasonal help. Entry level jobs are the only ones readily available here. Anyone with a specialty is going to have difficulty finding a job in it at first... unless you're an electrician or engineer type thing. :o

[wenjam]

Have you tried lester hospital?
They usually have some type of medical related jobs.

Been there, done that.....nothing in my field.

[wenjam]

Have you tried the base clubs for cashier type positions? Unless you luck out with the clinics or hospital, you are S.O.L. in finding a job you are actually qaulified for here. Yes, you're over qualified to be a cashier, but it'll get you out of the house. You can also apply with the concessionaires on base. AAFES probably needs seasonal help. Entry level jobs are the only ones readily available here. Anyone with a specialty is going to have difficulty finding a job in it at first... unless you're an electrician or engineer type thing. :o

Thank you for that info. THey do have cashier positions...I might have to look into that also....that is a job that I started out at 16, and was hoping to never go back to....but desperate times......

[Carl]

All I can say is "get used to it" and "good luck". I make $12/hr (and I pay JP taxes as well as US social security) as an IT guy here (off base, primarily english speaking company) and I actually got hired on for more than what the others made. The job market here blows.

[Zim the Invader]

Have you tried creating a job opening for yourself? Like going into a relatively updated local hospital and ask to schedule an appointment with the employment manager person. Then tell him you have all this background with US hospitals and policies and stuff and you think his hospital could really do with a liaison officer to assist with patients who speak English as a first language. You could even set your own pay scale based on something closely related. No guarantee it will work, but if it doesn't, you loose nothing. As long as you can convince them that they are behind the curve by not having you, it will work. Same basic principal as selling ice to an Eskimo.

[wenjam]

Is there anywhere you have not tried?
reason i ask is because i have a few web links you can browse through.

I have tried at Kadena HRO, and Airman Family Readiness center, USA jobs, some of the banks, as well as AAFES...as much as I can't stand them. I would appreciate your web links if you would not mind posting them. Thanks.

[Carl]

I have tried at Kadena HRO, and Airman Family Readiness center, USA jobs, some of the banks, as well as AAFES...as much as I can't stand them. I would appreciate your web links if you would not mind posting them. Thanks.

I'm assuming you're not SOFA. Have you checked with Hello Work? That's where I found my job. They were begging for English teachers last I was there. No experience needed and you don't even have to speak Japanese (although I'm sure it's a plus)

[Asshat]

Thot wenjam was SOFA? If so, no off base jobs allowed.

What about volunteering on base at the hospital? Sort of become known, then watch for the openings?

[uriel]

not exactly asshat. you can get a job offbase if you put in the request and it is approved. it's pretty specifically spelled out. well, as far as USMC regs are concerned.

[Asshat]

I think you also need to go to the JLB (japan labor bureau) and get their consent as well.

Yep. They don't like it when SOFA folks get jobs with no work visa- as well as taking jobs away from Japanese.

[wenjam]

Thot wenjam was SOFA? If so, no off base jobs allowed.

What about volunteering on base at the hospital? Sort of become known, then watch for the openings?

I am SOFA...Volunteering does not pay for daycare...that would be the problem with that....

[hankypanky]

I am SOFA...Volunteering does not pay for daycare...that would be the problem with that....

so u work to pay daycare? kinda putting the cart before the horse seems to me.

How about a home business? Something u can make money at, keep busy and stay at home and not pay daycare?:thumbup:

[wenjam]

I want to have a break from the kids, not have more in my house...and, no, I don't work to pay for daycare....I would make way more, but, I would need the money to put my daughter in day care for my job, and volunteering does not pay you anything...kind of puts us in a rut.
I had a home business, but it took up too much time. I would rather do what I love in the medical field, but nothing is avalable right now.

[IndyGal]

so u work to pay daycare? kinda putting the cart before the horse seems to me.

How about a home business? Something u can make money at, keep busy and stay at home and not pay daycare?:thumbup:

You would be surprised how many women I have met that work only to make enough to pay daycare or even end up paying some out of pocket on top of that. They have their children and then decide they are not cut out to actually having to raise and care for them. They would much rather pay someone else to care for them. :rolleyes:

[hankypanky]

i worked for a gal before that worked to put her kids through daycare. kinda defeats the purpose of having kids. A single mother, i would understand, but seems to me if u don't want to be around "your kids" that much, should give them away or keep your legs shut:cursing:

Same goes for guys. if you can't make enough money to pay for all the "babies" you make, need to have your balls cut.

It's not "manly" to make babies, it's "manly" to provide for em!

[hankypanky]

And people keep asking me why i don't want to live in america:scratchchin:

[wenjam]

what is so bad about America??? Yes, you mostly have to have a two household income to make it work, but as PJ said...what is wrong with daycare? I am looking for a job...I have a degree, and want to put it to use....I did not go to college to throw it away. I do not pay for my state, and national license every year, and continuing education every other year for it to go to waste. I was a stay at home mom last time we were stationed here for the same reason...no jobs.....and I am in that same situation...This thread was to ask if anyone had any ideas about where to look, not to insult anyone for wanting a job and to have a break from the house, and kids.

[Tempestuous]

Some of the volunteer positions do provide X amt of childcare costs.
Just have to check into them.

She didn't say she was going to jump in and put the kids in 24hr day care or that she couldn't handle them.

She wants something to DO. *gasp* What a sinner!!!:rolleyes:
She definitely can't love her kids if she wants to have a career or job outside the home, just because she wants to.

My Aunt was married 23 yrs to a man & never worked 1 day after the kids were born. She devoted every hr to raising the kids & being a good wife.
He decided when he hit 52 that this good looking 25 yr old girl at work would be more FUN, and divorced said Aunt.
Aunt had no work experience for all those yrs, that coupled with her age she was of little value to the workforce according to most.
So she had a hell of a time finding a job to support herself and her one kid still at home.
In hindsight she says she wished she had kept some sort of part time job on the side so that she had her foot in the door & so that she had been able to keep current some of her previous training.

[wenjam]

Some of the volunteer positions do provide X amt of childcare costs.
Just have to check into them.

She didn't say she was going to jump in and put the kids in 24hr day care or that she couldn't handle them.

She wants something to DO. *gasp* What a sinner!!!:rolleyes:
She definitely can't love her kids if she wants to have a career or job outside the home, just because she wants to.

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I will look into the volunteering, and see if that is an option...if daycare is paid for...even just 10 hours a week, that would be great. Thanks for the info.

[DoctorP]

Go to the Navy Fleet Gift shop and ask about volunteering too, then see if you can work that into a paid position later. That's a good way to start.

[OtisPMerriweather]

Just a hint, but I know the hotel on Futenma, the Cul-de-Sac inn, is ALWAYS looking for desk workers. Show up in person and just inquire with the manager. You'll have to apply later, but trust me, you could work there and it's pretty laid back.

[Muku]

Same goes for guys. if you can't make enough money to pay for all the "babies" you make, need to have your balls cut.

It's not "manly" to make babies, it's "manly" to provide for em!
I thanked you for this post for this part here.........

I know too many single mother's that bust their asses just to put food on the table for their kids because their ex's were lazy asses and only wanted a woman that would be their 2nd mother.

They dont get a dime in support because their ex's either can't or won't pay to support them.

[jrademacher]

I'm quite confident that the Red Cross or NMCRS will reimburse or coordinate child care services while you are volunteering. In fact, this seems rather ideal for you. While there the child care is taken care of and you can meet people with opportunities, and have this on your resume as experience. Also, check out the New Parent Support Program on Foster and Kadena, even though they have the same name they are run by 2 different agencies (I b/c onw is AF and other is USMC). Also, the Personal Services Center (PSC) is the one of the best places to go for job information, volunteer opportunities, training, resume updating. I think they are better than the Airman Readiness Center on Kadena, not trying to knock them, but fact is fact. Also, I know that there are a lot of in house child care wives that charge very little hourly. I believe you can get this information at one of the CDC's (Child Development Center). You might have to go to one on Kadena and one on Foster if the Systems are different. The PSC on Foster and the Airman Readiness and Schilling Center have a wealth of information. I suggest going there and meeting some of the people to find out a little bit about employment and other things. Also, they might be able to point you out to a web site or give you updated information that the general public might not otherwise know. Also, another reason to get out of the house and get more familiar with the island. Make a post on the classifieds here too. I would try all of this. Like a machine gun, shot it long enough and your bound to hit something. Best of luck.

[Muku]

P I dont understand why you groaned at Indy for her post? She was just sharing information about some people here that she knows.

I know some Japanese women too that do the exact same things as she is talking about, putting their kids into day care because they want their freedom to go and play pachinko all day. I think their priorities are screwed to hell, but it's better than leaving their kids locked up in the car though.

Oh and after they get done with the pachinko they go out to drink with their boyfriends or lovers and let the 24hr daycare raise their kids. I think that stinks, but what do I know.

Sure it's their choice, and I dont think anyone begrudges Wen for wanting to get a job to keep her busy either. Hell my wife was fortunate enough to stay at home until my sons were ready for kindergarten, but she did it because she wanted to and we were financially fine with it as well.

She works now because she wants to not because she has to.

I wish wen the best of luck in finding something that fits her!

[wenjam]

I wanted to thank all of you for your responses. I have run my butt of the past 2 days for resumes, and applications....I am going to go at it again after the holiday weekend...I have 3 kids Halloween parties, and functions to go to in the next 2 days, so I will resume my serch after this weekend....Once again..thanks to you all.

[Asshat]

I wanted to thank all of you for your responses. I have run my butt of the past 2 days for resumes, and applications....I am going to go at it again after the holiday weekend...I have 3 kids Halloween parties, and functions to go to in the next 2 days, so I will resume my serch after this weekend....Once again..thanks to you all.

Can we talk a little bit more about your butt first though?

[wenjam]

Can we talk a little bit more about your butt first though?

you so crazy!!! But like I said, I ran it off...hope it follows home soon.

[IndyGal]

some of you people kill me...

since when is wrong for a woman to seek employment... i am a firm believer in daycare.. it gives the kids time away from the parent where they can relax and enjoy themselves.. it promotes social interaction.. the kids have their little friends.. they look forward to going to school.. the learn more than they would learn sitting at home watching mommy watch TV all day...

this woman is trying to find a job... so the **** what even if she was working just to put a child in day care.. it would give her a sense of accomplishment and get her out of the house and daily rut.... it would also do the kid or kids wonders to be out and enjoying new experiences..

assuming wenjam is a spouse... it would be relatively easey even if she only made enough to pay for day care that her and her husband splity the day care costs and tightened their budget a little that we she could have a little money in her pockets as well....

you self righteous people need to get off your high horse.. sending a kid to daycare is not getting someone else to raise your kids.... if you live by that flawed logic then you should be homeschooling yoru children up until they leave the house as adults... if you are not doing that then stop being a ******* hypocrite....


wenjam.. check these links out. the update daily.. better chance getting in on the Marine side as opposed to the Af side..

https://www.mccsokinawa.com/jobws/index.asp
http://www.mcbbutler.usmc.mil/chro/chrodata/usvacancy.asp

hope that helps

I do have a response for this, but I plan to start a new thread rather than continue on this one.

[IndyGal]

i groaned her and hankys posts because i wanted...

Thanks for popping my "Groaned at" cherry.

Yeah I may have gone off the beaten path of this thread, but honestly how many don't go a bit off track anyway.

I do wish Wenjam luck in her job search.

[cellophane]

I am not trying to slam any mother who works outside the home because the family finances do not allow for her to be home full time but the excuse that a woman wants to get out to just "find something to do" is lame IMHO. If you have the priviledge of having your time be devoted to your family only your shoud be abel to find plenty to do. Yeah there are times when you need to get away but that doesnt mean you have to abandon what are some of the best years of your children's lives just because you think it's boring. You don't have kids to be entertained all the time. It's work. It's a job.

I don't consider myself to be an overly busy person or even very creative but I could always find something to do with my kids when they were young and I didn't need to be out under somebody else's rule to find it. No job could pay me enough that equaled the investment I made in being there for my children. You might not get paid to do it in $$ but the rewards are worth more.

[dk]

glad tobe of service...

i have 80+ groans for no other reason than expressing i love cocos curry on here...

lol
Yeah, I need to get back on this. Sorry, been slacking. I'm aiming for 300 for your account by January.

[cellophane]

my gripe is when people try to perpetuate the myth that if you are a working mother you miss out on all these special things..

whatever.. to me that is pure BS....

you are still a mother I am still a father...

i am not missing anything.. i dont know if it is truly a privelege to not be able to work when a woman wants to work..

working for the future of your child is as important as anything... it is damn sure more important than sitting around watching tv all day while your kid is bored to death...

i spend tons of times with my daughter.. she goes everywhere with me.. but you know what.. she is excited to go to daycare... ( she calls it school) and see her friends and teachers.. she loves playing and enjoying the atmosphere..

and most of all when myself or her mothing pick her up the look of joy on her face is amazing..

if you dont ever give your kid a chance to get away... dont give them a chance to miss you and show you how much you mean to them... then you are missing out on a great part of being a parent..

personally i dont think much good comes out of sheltering, mollycoddling, and smothering a kid all the time...

they actually resent it..

no matter how much fun you think your kid is having... they love being with their friends more..

then after work its your turn to enjoy the time spent together..

Any mother who is not a "working" mother is not a mother. Mothers work. It's not sheltering or smothering. It's called love. And I don't know about your kids but my infants didn't have friends who they wanted to be with more. I think they were still developing things like motor skills, and making sure their basic needs were met like being fed, bathed, positive stimulation, being held and stuff all babies need and I was the one there to do that for them.

I think you must be refering to older children but even then any kid who says they don't care that they have access to at least one parent at any given moment is either lying or they know their parents wouldn't do anything for them anyway. Ask those children who grew up to be incarcerated because they had an absent mother and father and ask them if they would rather been out with their friends all the time rather than have an involved mother and father and I can almost bet what they might say. I actually think you have a low view of parents who stay home with their children if you think all they do is watch TV. :thumbdown:

[uriel]

probably never done it. that's my guess.

[DJ Tak]

I have a part time job (Marine) compared to my wife's full time job (stay at home mom)....

[cellophane]

I have a part time job (Marine) compared to my wife's full time job (stay at home mom)....

See, that's the kind of attitude that implies (to me anyway) that you are a good father. Just my opinion but I bet your wife appriciates it.:thumbup:

[hankypanky]

my gripe is when people try to perpetuate the myth that if you are a working mother you miss out on all these special things..

whatever.. to me that is pure BS....

you are still a mother I am still a father...

i am not missing anything.. i dont know if it is truly a privelege to not be able to work when a woman wants to work..

working for the future of your child is as important as anything... it is damn sure more important than sitting around watching tv all day while your kid is bored to death...

i spend tons of times with my daughter.. she goes everywhere with me.. but you know what.. she is excited to go to daycare... ( she calls it school) and see her friends and teachers.. she loves playing and enjoying the atmosphere..

and most of all when myself or her mothing pick her up the look of joy on her face is amazing..

if you dont ever give your kid a chance to get away... dont give them a chance to miss you and show you how much you mean to them... then you are missing out on a great part of being a parent..

personally i dont think much good comes out of sheltering, mollycoddling, and smothering a kid all the time...

they actually resent it..

no matter how much fun you think your kid is having... they love being with their friends more..

then after work its your turn to enjoy the time spent together..

I guess you have never heard that the 1st 5 years of a child's life is the most important time for development. Who would be better at teaching that child, her mother or some woman trying to take care of 10 kids?

Your child will have plenty of time to be with friends. Believe me, when they reach their high school years, parents are usually the last people they want to be with.

This is probably the reason that 1 in 10 americans are either in prison or on parole at any one time.

One thing that i did learn from japanese society is that education starts in the home, not from someone else. No, not all japanese are angels, but stacked up against others, their family values are good. Amd this is passed down to the next generation and so on...

We had this talk earlier on another thread. I've said my peace, and leave at that.

Food for thought......if grandma had a dick she would be grandpa.:old:

[wenjam]

Any mother who is not a "working" mother is not a mother. Mothers work. It's not sheltering or smothering. It's called love. And I don't know about your kids but my infants didn't have friends who they wanted to be with more. I think they were still developing things like motor skills, and making sure their basic needs were met like being fed, bathed, positive stimulation, being held and stuff all babies need and I was the one there to do that for them.

I think you must be refering to older children but even then any kid who says they don't care that they have access to at least one parent at any given moment is either lying or they know their parents wouldn't do anything for them anyway. Ask those children who grew up to be incarcerated because they had an absent mother and father and ask them if they would rather been out with their friends all the time rather than have an involved mother and father and I can almost bet what they might say. I actually think you have a low view of parents who stay home with their children if you think all they do is watch TV. :thumbdown:

Just because a parent is not there 100% of the time, does not make them a bad parent. My husband father died when he was little, and he turned out great IMO....His mother gave a rats ass about him growing up, and now, she regrets it.....So, you don't think that working and bettering yourself, reflects on your children to do better for theirselves later in life?

I have been a stay at home mom for a long time. In the USA, I stayed at home during the week, and worked on the weekends while my hubby stayed at home with them...I worked 36 hours on the weekend so we could provide for our kids. My children are not infants either. They are 4 and 7. My 4 year old keeps asking me when she can go to school. I am trying to help her out in that area by getting ajob so I can pay for a private pre-school.

So, for me to want to get a job, and let my 4 y/o do what she wants to do...which is go to school, makes me a bad parent, then oh well. I guess I am a bad parent....that is why they love me so much.

[hankypanky]

I guess the wisdom and wishes of a 4 year old is much wiser than a parent:D

And i can beat my dog silly everyday, but they still love me?!

[thistle]

I guess the wisdom and wishes of a 4 year old is much wiser than a parent:D

And i can beat my dog silly everyday, but they still love me?!


Well here is some food for thought HP, in Europe and the UK, kids start Primary school at 4 or 4 and a half years old depending on when their birthday.
Four years old is the age when kids need to start interacting with other children more and have the stimulation that they won't find being at home 24hours.

I don't know about in the US. Here in Japan they don't start school until 6 or sometimes 7 years old.

[leahjackson]

Well here is some food for thought HP, in Europe and the UK, kids start Primary school at 4 or 4 and a half years old depending on when their birthday.
Four years old is the age when kids need to start interacting with other children more and have the stimulation that they won't find being at home 24hours.

I don't know about in the US. Here in Japan they don't start school until 6 or sometimes 7 years old.

In the US where kindergarten is available they start at 5, otherwise 6 for first grade.

Wenjam - have you considered letting the 4-year old go to a Japanese preschool? They are not very expensive, but best of all she will pick up Japanese so fast it will make your head swim.

[wenjam]

I have thought of that....but, I don't want to have to pay for a school, and then me, just stay at home anyways without a job. I would rather keep her home until I do get a job, then send her. I love spending time with her, just a break would be nice.

[wenjam]

I guess the wisdom and wishes of a 4 year old is much wiser than a parent:D

And i can beat my dog silly everyday, but they still love me?!

Then you should be reported for abuse.....The wishes of a 4 year old ARE important...it shows trust, and their ability to start making their own decisons.

[Asshat]

See, that's the kind of attitude that implies (to me anyway) that you are a good father. Just my opinion but I bet your wife appriciates it.:thumbup:

Oh hell no! It implies either:

1. Even off duty, he makes his wife deal with the kids, or

2. He is a big time butt snorkeler.

Couldn't resist. My kids are long gone, I was successful, and I can laugh at all you poor bastards who haven't signed for the first abortion or paid bail for your kids yet! LMAO!!!:first:

[Muku]

I don't know about in the US. Here in Japan they don't start school until 6 or sometimes 7 years old.

Thistle that is the mandatory age for the start of compulsory education. There are literally millions of kids here that "start" school here much earlier.

I would be willing to bet that there are fewer stay at home Mom's or Dad's here in Japan than in many other western countries.

[Crazysix]

Thistle that is the mandatory age for the start of compulsory education. There are literally millions of kids here that "start" school here much earlier.

I would be willing to bet that there are fewer stay at home Mom's or Dad's here in Japan than in many other western countries.

and from that we should all take an example of!!!!!:thumbup:

[uriel]

Thistle that is the mandatory age for the start of compulsory education. There are literally millions of kids here that "start" school here much earlier.

I would be willing to bet that there are fewer stay at home Mom's or Dad's here in Japan than in many other western countries.

sorry muku, gonna have to disagree with you on that. you've been here for quite a while and you actually believe that? having a 2 income household in Japan has just recently started picking up. so far the only thing i've found is a survey from 1989, and in it they found that only 50% of households in japan were dual income, while 75% in america. i'll see if i can find more info.

[thistle]

Thistle that is the mandatory age for the start of compulsory education. There are literally millions of kids here that "start" school here much earlier.

I would be willing to bet that there are fewer stay at home Mom's or Dad's here in Japan than in many other western countries.


I know that, that is what I was talking about - elementary school.
Yes, I would say almost every Japanese child starts Kindergarten school at the age of 3 years here. Very few stay at home after that.

I would also be willing to bet you are talking about Okinawa, not Japan as a whol.

[thistle]

sorry muku, gonna have to disagree with you on that. you've been here for quite a while and you actually believe that? having a 2 income household in Japan has just recently started picking up. so far the only thing i've found is a survey from 1989, and in it they found that only 50% of households in japan were dual income, while 75% in america. i'll see if i can find more info.

I have not looked at any statistics but those look about right. Really, not many Japanese mothers go back to work on the mainland, certainly not before their children reach elementary school age.
How else can they be 'Kyoiku Mama's, if they are too busy working. Who would take their kids to paino, swimming, english and Juku lessons after kindergarten every day?

[cellophane]

Just because a parent is not there 100% of the time, does not make them a bad parent. My husband father died when he was little, and he turned out great IMO....His mother gave a rats ass about him growing up, and now, she regrets it.....So, you don't think that working and bettering yourself, reflects on your children to do better for theirselves later in life?

I have been a stay at home mom for a long time. In the USA, I stayed at home during the week, and worked on the weekends while my hubby stayed at home with them...I worked 36 hours on the weekend so we could provide for our kids. My children are not infants either. They are 4 and 7. My 4 year old keeps asking me when she can go to school. I am trying to help her out in that area by getting ajob so I can pay for a private pre-school.

So, for me to want to get a job, and let my 4 y/o do what she wants to do...which is go to school, makes me a bad parent, then oh well. I guess I am a bad parent....that is why they love me so much.

Wenjam- I don't think there was, in my post anyway, any judgment call made on calling anyone a "bad" parent. I don't think people set out to be bad parents anyway, even when we make bad choices. I think there are different factors that each person who is posting here is assuming and it's now all mixed up. My initial response was prompted by the statement that in order for someone to have something to do a parent needs to work outside the home and what I was trying to express was that with a baby there is plenty to do.

Mine are older now and I am still busy and I guess I just find it hard to believe that anyone would have to have a job in order to keep from being bored when you have a young child. I did all the mommy and me classes, music lessons, library visits, trips to the park, and took my kid with me when I volunteered at the old folks home besides doing my own personal hobbies and I had a full day. That in addition to taking care of my man and household stuff and shopping for groceries and stuff. I don't have to tell you about that anyway, if you are a mom and wife you know what I mean.

Truth be told I actually think men tend to be the more sensative regarding this subject. If I were a man and I made enough money that my wife could stay home with my baby I would hope she would verses doing the daycare thing. I think any man that has to have his wife work and put a baby in daycare to meet ends meet might feel a little guilty- like he isin't able to provide or something. So rather than face that a man might come up with negative attitudes and ideas regarding moms who stay home. If finances allow it, I think any man who would choose to put his baby in daycare over wanting the woman he had that child with to be there for the the first few years must have married the wrong woman.

[wenjam]

I don't have to work...BUT, It is not about doing something from being bored. It is about self-accomplishment outside of the home. I see what I accomplish every day. I love the love I get from my family because I do what I do as a stay at home mom. It is just a thing that I have....I am a worker, and I love to work. Trust me, I am never bored, and don't need anything else to do.

Think about this though...There is nothing saying that my husband will be around forever working and providing my family....saying that as if a tragedy were to ever strike...If I have no work history, how am I going to be able to provide for my family if I have been out of work for so long. It is not just for the now, it is for our families future as well. Weddings, college, unexpected circumstances that may come our way.

Like I said, I have a degree, and went to college. I have worked since I was 15 years old, and I guess I am "built for it". If I went to work, I could afford to put my daughter in a pre-school off or even on base. She wants to start school. You can only pay for so many activities on base and even of base for a 4 year old..then it makes your pockets empty....that is where a job comes in place.

Not just for me, but for a better life for them as well...

[Asshat]

wen, I'd hire you, but you are over qualified, and would just leave me. And of course I could no longer hit on you.

A lose/lose situation for me.

[cellophane]

your first paragraph makes sense but the rest is just so far from reality...

do you realize it has nothing to do with that...

some men the way they were raised want to have a woman sit at home while they are the breadwinner and all that good stuff..

not all men are like that.. some men have their own careers and meet a woman that has their own careers...

personally i dont want a woman who has no aspirations but to sit at home and do nothing but be a mom...

while someone like myself is fully well and capable of supporting whomever i choose... i would never attempt to push an independent goal oriented woman in the house just to pander to my need to feel important...

the exact arguments you just used to accuse men of feeling guilty is turned on its head by the fact that it is more likely and insecurity that leads the man to not want the wife to be an earner.. he wants to be the big dog..

cant handle the ole lady having her own career, her own bank accounts, her own money, god forbid she make more than him and surpass him.. he cant handle it...

it is those men who are the weaklings.. as they need to feel as though they are in control...

it is those men.. whose wives end up in the back of another mans car...

LMAO

Actually Pimp I hear you. YOu make some good points. Yeah there are men out there who I could see being so insecure that they don't want their wives to be able to do anything that would require them to be far from home. I actually have a friend back home who is in that boat. She can't even be at a neighbor's house for more than an hour without him calling wanting to know what she is doing and why she has been out of the house for so long. He wouldn't even let his kids come over to my house to play with my kids unless mom was along too because he says "the kids are your responsibility-not the neighbors." What kind of bull is that?

I guess we will continue to disagree however about the blessing that it is for a mother to have the opportunity to be able to raise her own child. To me the role of a mother is very important and it is a worthwhile aspiration in itself to want to spend time with them. For the women who don't feel a sense of accomplishment is that well, all I can say is that sucks. My kids are my legacy, they are what remain when I am long gone. The things I can buy because I made extra money will rust and bust. I don't care about having a bigger car or more crap around the house to dust. I'd rather have those few extra memories.

It still trips me out where you get the idea that parents who stay home just sit around? Where the hell does that come from? So like every person you have ever known who doesn't hold a job outside the home you see just sitting doing nothing? Doing nothing but being a mom? I'm sorry but it makes me wonder what kind of mothers you have encountered in your life because you most certainly have never been to my house or the majority of full time moms I know, or even those who work part time jobs. What a shame that you have never seen it. But like all your post in regards to this subject I know you have a good sense of humor so I won't feel to sorry for you as you continue to laugh your ass off. :)

[Muku]

Maybe too many people have been listening to Dr. Laura:20a:

[CarlosPSP]

Im Geologist with Dct in Petrologist.

I can find jobs where here?

[dk]

Im Geologist with Dct in Petrologist.

I can find jobs where here?
Wouldn't you rather live somewhere where your skills can be utilized?

I always secretly wanted to be a geologist. Somehow I ended up in IT. :(