Massachusetts schools teach kindergarteners that homosexuality is an ok ption‏

[wenjam]

Okay, I had this sent to me, and was beyond words. I can see where teaching homosexuality will eventually come up, but should the school really be doing this with 5 year olds without the parents permission? I would love some opinions on this one.
I personally think it should be up to the parents, and not the school. Especially without notice to the parents. I am open for opinions. Have fun.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1815825713

[vvloc]

Without commenting on the plight of these parents, it IS important to know something about the background of Tony Perkins:

"Four years ago, Perkins addressed the Louisiana chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), America's premier white supremacist organization, the successor to the White Citizens Councils, which battled integration in the South. In 1996 Perkins paid former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke $82,500 for his mailing list. At the time, Perkins was the campaign manager for a right-wing Republican candidate for the US Senate in Louisiana. The Federal Election Commission fined the campaign Perkins ran $3,000 for attempting to hide the money paid to Duke.

For Tony Perkins, Justice Sunday was the fulfillment of a strategy devised more than two decades ago by his political mentor, Woody Jenkins. In May 1981, in the wake of Ronald Reagan's presidential victory, Jenkins and some fifty other conservative activists met at the Northern Virginia home of direct-mail pioneer Richard Viguerie to plot the growth of their movement. The Council for National Policy (CNP), an ultra-secretive, right-wing organization, was the outcome of that meeting. The CNP hooked up theocrats like R.J. Rushdoony, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell with wealthy movement funders like Amway founder Richard DeVos and beer baron Joseph Coors. As DeVos famously said, the CNP "brings together the doers with the donors."

Perkins issued a flat denial that he had ever had anything to do with Duke, and he denounced him for good measure. Unfortunately, Perkins's signature was on the document authorizing the purchase of Duke's list. Perkins's dalliance with the racist Council of Conservative Citizens in the run-up to his campaign also illuminates the seamy underside of his political associations."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050509/blumenthal

[mikersoft]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1005/965300457_618cf7ffa4.jpg

[RenaissanceMan]

As a Christian all I have to say is God does not agree with nor approve homosexual lifestyles in any shape, form or fashion.

Secondly, this is bound to happen when most of the shows on tv have homesexual couples, and songs sing about it ... "I kissed a girl and I liked it" American is so far gone, but even here in Japan almost every tv show has a transexual on it. I have to turn the channel all the time... It is just not right, and until someone can show me in the Bible where it is right....it will continue to be wrong.

[P_chan]

As a Christian all I have to say is God does not agree with nor approve homosexual lifestyles in any shape, form or fashion.

Secondly, this is bound to happen when most of the shows on tv have homesexual couples, and songs sing about it ... "I kissed a girl and I liked it" American is so far gone, but even here in Japan almost every tv show has a transexual on it. I have to turn the channel all the time... It is just not right, and until someone can show me in the Bible where it is right....it will continue to be wrong.

http://www.afunnystuff.com/forumpics/notagain.jpg

[leahjackson]

As a Christian all I have to say is God does not agree with nor approve homosexual lifestyles in any shape, form or fashion.



Wow, so certain... it sounds like you've watched a recent interview with the Big Man on Youtube.

Yes, it does say in the OT that it is an abomination. It also says that eating milk and meat together, and eating the meat of the swine, are abominations. Are you OK on all fronts???? If not, you might be excommunicated from the fundamentalist fold.

[ryukyuboi]

I think reading a story to young ones concerning the different kinds of families that exist within a culture is educationally appropriate. Some of these young ones live in non-traditional families. All families have worth. Schools should support and enhance the self-esteem of all students and provide accurate and age-appropriate information about all types of families/groups. Like it or not, gay families exist. I would want my child to know about the various types of families.

[socalheart]

I think that teaching five year olds about same gender marriage is too soon. Talking about marriage at that age in school might be difficult for those children who don't come from traditional families; i.e. single parent or divorced homes. Children will ask about it though, as they are naturally curious and talkative. When that happens, it's acceptable for a teacher to tell the student all aspects of marriage as a legal contract. If the school adds the subject to its regular curriculum, parents should be notified though. In public schools, bringing morality and religion into it violates separation of church and state.

The video referenced in the original post annoyed the frak out of me. I found it offensive propaganda of extreme bible thumpers. I don't think the man should've been arrested for disagreeing with the school, but I think there's more to that story than they're telling. Then again, I think of marriage as it's required by the government is purely a legal contract between two people to share in blahblahblah. People marry their dogs and cats like it's normal; explain that to your five year old.

However, I don't say that either side is wrong or right about their views or votes on same gender marriage. I do believe a parent has the right to dictate the information given his or her child. I also believe they do so by choosing the school the child attends. If they accept the school the child attends, they accept the curriculum being taught. Otherwise, remove your child from the school that offends and place the child that teaches what you want taught to your child.

[wenjam]

I think reading a story to young ones concerning the different kinds of families that exist within a culture is educationally appropriate. Some of these young ones live in non-traditional families. All families have worth. Schools should support and enhance the self-esteem of all students and provide accurate and age-appropriate information about all types of families/groups. Like it or not, gay families exist. I would want my child to know about the various types of families.

I completely agree that every child should be taught what is out there. However, would you want the school to do this at age 5, without your knowledge? I would have ripped someone a new one if it were my child being that young. There are far more better things to be learning in Kindergarten...like Writing and reading skills. They will know about all of this soon enough. Let them enjoy their innocents while they still are. They will have the weight of the world on their shoulders soon enough.

[ryukyuboi]

One goal of some school diversity programs is to teach children to be inclusive of everyone. Teaching inclusivity and acceptance of others in an educational setting is important for bettering the lives of everyone, everywhere, I believe.

While I totally agree that promoting a strong academic program (reading, writing and arithemetic) should be primary in early childhood education, some lessons taught to foster human education will make for a better educated child. Getting along with all kinds of people is an important social skill, now more than ever.

So, yes, I would have no objections to having my own children learn about different kinds of families/people very early in life. In fact, my children did, from me, decades ago.

http://www.cyfernet.org/parent/nontradfam.html

[DJ Tak]

It is just not right, and until someone can show me in the Bible where it is right....it will continue to be wrong.

And as soon as you can prove that the bible is true and not just some make believe crap written by a bunch of folks looking to control the masses, then I will laugh at you when you make choices based on the words it contains.

[Muku]

As a Christian all I have to say is God does not agree with nor approve homosexual lifestyles in any shape, form or fashion.

What are you....God's mouth piece? :rolleyes:


Pray tell where in any bible does it say that "God" doesn't agree with nor approve of homosexuality?

Remember this...."God" never wrote the bible, man did!

And I hope to "God" that you aren't sitting here and trying to tell all of us here that you are "God's" representative here on earth either.:rolleyes::argh14:

[Muku]

I think that teaching five year olds about same gender marriage is too soon.
Ok then what about kids that have two dad's or two mom's?

And.......

What age is appropriate?

[trissytrissy47]

I agree that parents should have been warned for this age group.

I have lesbian aunts. I asked my dad something silly about it one day and he explained it to me. When I was like 9 or 10.

Plus don't some kids grow up in households like this? Not many, of course, since there are so many with narrow views who make it nearly impossible. This post makes me wonder, what happens when their parents want to volunteer for field trips or whatever? "Everybody, this is Sarah's Mom and...Mom." XD Or like those open house things where you go in and play games and meet and mingle. We had an awesome math fair in kindergarten where we played those fishing games and stuff with math problems for candy :D I didn't even notice my aunts until I was older than 5 age anyway...They just lived together, whatever they made awesome smoothies :D Still do, in fact. And they freaking feed them to their dogs. O.O

People would probably have a fit and try to keep them from volunteering/attending.

/sigh

[uriel]

As a Christian all I have to say is God does not agree with nor approve homosexual lifestyles in any shape, form or fashion.

Secondly, this is bound to happen when most of the shows on tv have homesexual couples, and songs sing about it ... "I kissed a girl and I liked it" American is so far gone, but even here in Japan almost every tv show has a transexual on it. I have to turn the channel all the time... It is just not right, and until someone can show me in the Bible where it is right....it will continue to be wrong.

this is the same kind of crap my mom throws at me. why does america need to exist only within the confines of christian beliefs? while I can understand where we would want to adopt some of the lessons taught from the bible, i.e. don't steal, treat others as you would like to be treated, etc... we are not now, and i hope never are, a religiously run country. i don't agree with forcing everyone around me to live their life according to what is taught by the bible. that's part of the problem with thinking like this. people like you believe that Christianity is the only way to be and believe. why should anyone in america have to look at anything in the bible to "prove" what's right? I most definitely don't agree with some teaching my kid about homosexuals at age 5, I disagree almost as strongly with what you are saying about how our morality should be governed. i will teach my kid, when I feel the time is right and in the manner that I feel is right.

by the way, what the heck is XD? you put it in most of your posts, and it still doesn't make sense to me.

[trissytrissy47]

First reply got lost...sorry

XD is a face. Squash >.< or x.x together with:grin1:

I'm a smiley addict, sorry.

edit: Look at it sideways.

[uriel]

sorry, i'm just a lazy guy who likes colorful movey smilies that make it so i don't have to think. gotcha now.

[Ammoyankee]

I am glad that I don't have any children that small anymore and that I don't live in Mass!

[RenaissanceMan]

The Bible is inspired by God and is completely correct and without error in it's ORIGINAL text. (Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek).
2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Somebody asked where in the Bible (OT) and (NT) that God does not approve homesexuality.

Old Testament -
Genesis 1:28 ~ And God blessed them. And God said to them,"Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
SAME SEX MARRIAGES CAN'T EVEN FOLLOW GOD's FIRST COMMANDMENT TO MANKIND CAN THEY....!!!! Two men or two women can't PRODUCE kids through their union.

Sodom and Gomorrah

Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

Genesis 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

Genesis 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

Genesis 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know[have sex with] them.

Genesis 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

Genesis 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Genesis 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

Genesis 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

Genesis 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

Genesis 19:12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

Genesis 19:13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 18:29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

New Testament Scriptures Concerning Homosexuality

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:[became lesbians]

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.[Know it is wrong but don't care what God says, and love being around people who do such acts]

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. [You are not getting away with anything.]

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind[homosexual], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Thanks and have a great day. That's what the Bible says about it.

[P_chan]

Sorry but bible verses only makes your point even more invalid.

Wow for god being so merciful and forgiving it sure hates homosexuals and anyone who doesn't follow his religion:rolleyes:

[socalheart]

Remember this...."God" never wrote the bible, man did!

Agreed. The Bible is considered men's interpretations of God's will and stuff. It's still written by men as they believed things should be. As it's said, history is written by the victors.

Ok then what about kids that have two dad's or two mom's? What age is appropriate?
Children with same gender parents don't need to learn about same gender marriage, because they already know about it in living with it. Age appropriate depends on the situation the child lives in and the mental curiosity of the child. Some five year olds ask about where babies come from, others ask about why dirt becomes mud. One question is more complex than the other, as are the questions regarding same gender and traditional marriage. As I said previously, if your child asks, he's old enough to know. Keeping in mind, a child only needs to know so much about a thing depending on how much he understands. You wouldn't go into the scientific composition of dirt and water to explain it, but might simply say that water makes dirt mud.

[RenaissanceMan]

Sorry but bible verses only makes your point even more invalid.

Wow for god being so merciful and forgiving it sure hates homosexuals and anyone who doesn't follow his religion:rolleyes:

So...what you are saying is...when someone says....Show me in the Bible what God says about homosexuality...and you show them...that makes your point invalid. Interesting...

God said homosexuality was an abomination, and man or woman can definitely come away from that lifestyle and live holy afterwards. All God is saying... I hold before you live and death, choose life and live, because the wages of sin is death, and in fact eternal death [seperation].

God gives us all free will to do as we please, thats why you will some of the verses say "and God gave them over to themselves" in other words God says I been trying to tell you and tell over and over again, and you want to keep doing it your way. Very well, but remember, you will not make it into the Kingdon of Heaven.

So, keep arguing with God all you want...won't help. Homosexuality is still wrong and always will be, though a person can stop that lifestyle and start walking with God. Thanks for reading.

[RenaissanceMan]

Agreed. The Bible is considered men's interpretations of God's will and stuff. It's still written by men as they believed things should be. As it's said, history is written by the victors.


Children with same gender parents don't need to learn about same gender marriage, because they already know about it in living with it. Age appropriate depends on the situation the child lives in and the mental curiosity of the child. Some five year olds ask about where babies come from, others ask about why dirt becomes mud. One question is more complex than the other, as are the questions regarding same gender and traditional marriage. As I said previously, if your child asks, he's old enough to know. Keeping in mind, a child only needs to know so much about a thing depending on how much he understands. You wouldn't go into the scientific composition of dirt and water to explain it, but might simply say that water makes dirt mud.

Ah, history written by the victors...yes the end of the Bible declares Jesus Wins - and at the name of Jesus EVERY knew will bow and Every tongue will confess that JESUS IS LORD.

Train up a child in the way they should go, and when they are older they will not depart from it. Kids that ask should be told that God does not approve of a homosexual lifestyle.

[socalheart]

Train up a child in the way they should go, and when they are older they will not depart from it. Kids that ask should be told that God does not approve of a homosexual lifestyle.

Technically and to be more specific, The Bible, which was written by men as they interpreted the word of their God said that their God doesn't approve of homosexuality as referenced in stories of men.

[P_chan]

So...what you are saying is...when someone says....Show me in the Bible what God says about homosexuality...and you show them...that makes your point invalid. Interesting...

God said homosexuality was an abomination, and man or woman can definitely come away from that lifestyle and live holy afterwards. All God is saying... I hold before you live and death, choose life and live, because the wages of sin is death, and in fact eternal death [seperation].

God gives us all free will to do as we please, thats why you will some of the verses say "and God gave them over to themselves" in other words God says I been trying to tell you and tell over and over again, and you want to keep doing it your way. Very well, but remember, you will not make it into the Kingdon of Heaven.

So, keep arguing with God all you want...won't help. Homosexuality is still wrong and always will be, though a person can stop that lifestyle and start walking with God. Thanks for reading.

No what makes your points wrong is that you believe that homosexuality is wrong because some fairy tale book based on fiction says so.

Someone who is as blinded by religion as you would not understand. Just because some imaginary being in the sky says gays are yucky doesn't mean they shouldn't have he same rights as same sex couples. But that's a different story. On topic, do I think that it's ok for a school to teach homosexuality as an option, not really. I think it's up to the parents to decide (and the child when they become old enough) to learn about how there is NOTHING wrong with homosexuality.

You wont make it to the "kingdom of heaven" either, simply because it doesn't exist. People become delusional and irrational when they know their time on this world won't last forever. So they build up a false hope in something like "there is an after life" to try and make the fact that they'll die some day more bearable.

Even if there was an afterlife it's pretty pig headed of you to say that only a select few who all share the same imaginary friend will be allowed to have a nice afterlife.:thumbdown:

:edit: Oh and your baseless scare tactics like "well you won't make it into heaven because you think a person can choose how they want to live rather then following some book filled with intolerance" doesn't have any affect on me.

[RenaissanceMan]

No what makes your points wrong is that you believe that homosexuality is wrong because some fairy tale book based on fiction says so.

Someone who is as blinded by religion as you would not understand. Just because some imaginary being in the sky says gays are yucky doesn't mean they shouldn't have he same rights as same sex couples. But that's a different story. On topic, do I think that it's ok for a school to teach homosexuality as an option, not really. I think it's up to the parents to decide (and the child when they become old enough) to learn about how there is NOTHING wrong with homosexuality.

You wont make it to the "kingdom of heaven" either, simply because it doesn't exist. People become delusional and irrational when they know their time on this world won't last forever. So they build up a false hope in something like "there is an after life" to try and make the fact that they'll die some day more bearable.

Even if there was an afterlife it's pretty pig headed of you to say that only a select few who all share the same imaginary friend will be allowed to have a nice afterlife.:thumbdown:

:edit: Oh and your baseless scare tactics like "well you won't make it into heaven because you think a person can choose how they want to live rather then following some book filled with intolerance" doesn't have any affect on me.

I don't really use scare tactics, I just speak Bible truth. The scary part about it is God has been allowing you to wake up every morning, and you still want to do it your own way. People have eyes and can't see, they have ears and can't even comprehend the simple things about God. You should be thankful that God does not let you see how life is without Him taking care of us, even when we don't deserve it.

[P_chan]

I don't really use scare tactics, I just speak Bible truth. The scary part about it is God has been allowing you to wake up every morning, and you still want to do it your own way. People have eyes and can't see, they have ears and can't even comprehend the simple things about God. You should be thankful that God does not let you see how life is without Him taking care of us, even when we don't deserve it.

Guess I've got to repeat myself again, scare tactics won't work. I don't have to be thankful to any false god for being able to wake up everyday, nor anyone else. Well except for my parents for brining me into this world. But defiantly not any god that you claim to be all forgiving and kind yet then preach how those who don't follow it will suffer for all eternity and how one group of people is superior to another. The real scary part is that you call me blind when you can't see how clouded your vision really is (just look at how you try to scare me by saying god allows me to live and will make me suffer for not believing in it). I'm done with this because further argument with you is futile.

Last thing I'll say is if you want to believe in fairly tales and imaginary beings in the sky then so be it. If you want your boyfriend to plow you in the ass then so be it as well, to each their own. But don't come in here condemning one's individual choice and promote yours to be the only one and true way to live. That sir, is being a hypocrite and extremely intolerant of the way others choose to live their life. Get off your pedistal and look at person at face value instead of prejudging them based on some very intolerant book written by some very intolerant people. If people could do that then there would be a lot less suffering in this crazy world.

[Crazysix]

The Bible is inspired by God and is completely correct and without error in it's ORIGINAL text. (Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek).
2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Somebody asked where in the Bible (OT) and (NT) that God does not approve homesexuality.

Old Testament -
Genesis 1:28 ~ And God blessed them. And God said to them,"Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
SAME SEX MARRIAGES CAN'T EVEN FOLLOW GOD's FIRST COMMANDMENT TO MANKIND CAN THEY....!!!! Two men or two women can't PRODUCE kids through their union.

Sodom and Gomorrah

Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

Genesis 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

Genesis 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

Genesis 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know[have sex with] them.

Genesis 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

Genesis 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Genesis 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

Genesis 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

Genesis 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

Genesis 19:12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

Genesis 19:13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 18:29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

New Testament Scriptures Concerning Homosexuality

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:[became lesbians]

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.[Know it is wrong but don't care what God says, and love being around people who do such acts]

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. [You are not getting away with anything.]

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind[homosexual], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Thanks and have a great day. That's what the Bible says about it.

the bible is the worlds most expensive toilet paper next the koran....thee is no god, god is dead, the only true deity is SATAN. He proves to us everyday he exists. He is neither Good nor Evil, he allows us to make our own decisions and live our lives they way we choose.......If there was a god, jesus or allah ......and we were created in his image....how fucced up is he really......so god is a towel wearing, homosexual pedophile transvestite????? Would there be war, famine, disease or even a dark angel???
ren my friend, you should stop wasting your adult life believing in fantasies and quoting from the book of Grimm..........:scratchchin:

[Crazysix]

Guess I've got to repeat myself again, scare tactics won't work. I don't have to be thankful to any false god for being able to wake up everyday, nor anyone else. Well except for my parents for brining me into this world. But defiantly not any god that you claim to be all forgiving and kind yet then preach how those who don't follow it will suffer for all eternity and how one group of people is superior to another. The real scary part is that you call me blind when you can't see how clouded your vision really is (just look at how you try to scare me by saying god allows me to live and will make me suffer for not believing in it). I'm done with this because further argument with you is futile.

Last thing I'll say is if you want to believe in fairly tales and imaginary beings in the sky then so be it. If you want your boyfriend to plow you in the ass then so be it as well, to each their own. But don't come in here condemning one's individual choice and promote yours to be the only one and true way to live. That sir, is being a hypocrite and extremely intolerant of the way others choose to live their life. Get off your pedistal and look at person at face value instead of prejudging them based on some very intolerant book written by some very intolerant people. If people could do that then there would be a lot less suffering in this crazy world.

remember gods wakes you up everyday....god is a $10 alarm clock:grin1:

[Trail]

I don't really use scare tactics, I just speak Bible truth. The scary part about it is God has been allowing you to wake up every morning, and you still want to do it your own way. People have eyes and can't see, they have ears and can't even comprehend the simple things about God. You should be thankful that God does not let you see how life is without Him taking care of us, even when we don't deserve it.

Truth and the Bible should not be used in the same sentence. The Bible is nothing a whole book full of scare tactics. People like you make me sick. You'll preach and preach and preach but in truth, you are probably as twisted and sick as the next sinner.

IMO, if there is a God, I am sure he does not appreciate you speaking for him.

[Muku]

God is watching a fine sunset on the beach with your favorite other, sipping your favorite drink, and then getting it on all in the name of God.

Hell how many here besides me....:D when at that moment when the clouds and rain join together and make thunder..starting yelling Oh God.....:grin1::w00t:

That my friends is God....the rest of it, shit that's just man trying to buttsex other men in the name of :rolleyes:.

[Crazysix]

God is watching a fine sunset on the beach with your favorite other, sipping your favorite drink, and then getting it on all in the name of God.

Hell how many here besides me....:D when at that moment when the clouds and rain join together and make thunder..starting yelling Oh God.....:grin1::w00t:

That my friends is God....the rest of it, shit that's just man trying to buttsex other men in the name of :rolleyes:.

or when long dicking a hottie and at that special climatic burst of pleasure and release....you both scream oh god...........that is the devil because you just got her pregnant
:grin1:

[dk]

Oh awesome. Another thread about forced morality, using some "god" figure as back-up. lol.

I seriously can't help but lol at religious folk... I grew up around it for a LONG time, and it will never ever feel rational to me, ever. "Here, I'm going to tell you something that'll change your life, and I want you to believe me when I tell it to you even though you probably don't even know my first name."

**** that.

Religion is stupid.

[wenjam]

Holy sh*t RM...how come every time I end up writing a new thread, you come in about GOD....? There is a religious thread for that....might I add, just for you. The Bible is written from a point of view from a man of how God lived his life.....now, drop it. This is about teaching kids about homosexuality....which I think there is nothing wrong with... if discussed with the parents first, and the lesson is known. To each his own....DONE!

[socalheart]

remember gods wakes you up everyday....god is a $10 alarm clock:grin1:

So, when I was a kid, god was my dad throwing ice water on my feet to wake me in the mornings. :scratchchin: Yeah, he'd like that idea.

[RenaissanceMan]

Guess I've got to repeat myself again, scare tactics won't work. I don't have to be thankful to any false god for being able to wake up everyday, nor anyone else. Well except for my parents for brining me into this world. But defiantly not any god that you claim to be all forgiving and kind yet then preach how those who don't follow it will suffer for all eternity and how one group of people is superior to another. The real scary part is that you call me blind when you can't see how clouded your vision really is (just look at how you try to scare me by saying god allows me to live and will make me suffer for not believing in it). I'm done with this because further argument with you is futile.

Last thing I'll say is if you want to believe in fairly tales and imaginary beings in the sky then so be it. If you want your boyfriend to plow you in the ass then so be it as well, to each their own. But don't come in here condemning one's individual choice and promote yours to be the only one and true way to live. That sir, is being a hypocrite and extremely intolerant of the way others choose to live their life. Get off your pedistal and look at person at face value instead of prejudging them based on some very intolerant book written by some very intolerant people. If people could do that then there would be a lot less suffering in this crazy world.

A hypocrite is someone who says one thing but does another. I live what I preach. And I would say the same thing in person. And who said God was ALL forgiving...though the price was paid with the blood of Jesus Christ. God only forgives those who ask for forgiveness. He that comes to God must first believe that He IS, and that He is a rewarded of those who deligently seek after Him.

[RenaissanceMan]

Oh awesome. Another thread about forced morality, using some "god" figure as back-up. lol.

I seriously can't help but lol at religious folk... I grew up around it for a LONG time, and it will never ever feel rational to me, ever. "Here, I'm going to tell you something that'll change your life, and I want you to believe me when I tell it to you even though you probably don't even know my first name."

**** that.

Religion is stupid.

I agree, Religion is stupid. Especially when stupidity is defined as someone doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I am glad I serve the one true living God, and not some idol that can not speak nor answer my prayers, nor do I serve myself and some belief that I actually control anything about my life. I am just a worthless servant at best, and my life is just a vapor. Here today, gone tomorrow, leaving nothing behind but what I did not, or did do for God. That's the only thing that matters.

[RenaissanceMan]

So, when I was a kid, god was my dad throwing ice water on my feet to wake me in the mornings. :scratchchin: Yeah, he'd like that idea.

Negative, God was the one that allowed your dad to not have to wonder why when he threw cold water on his child, they child never moved. And that's real.

[Crazysix]

though the price was paid with the blood of Jesus Christ. God only forgives those who ask for forgiveness.
prove to me jesus was real.........and if e was what about those 30 odd years from birth til he got his misson order.....was he thailand banging ladyboys smoking pot.........
and back to god what kind of self serving bastard allows his son to die .......hell no there is no god

[Crazysix]

Negative, God was the one that allowed your dad to not have to wonder why when he threw cold water on his child, they child never moved. And that's real.

that makes no sense preacher man!!!!!!!

[RenaissanceMan]

Technically and to be more specific, The Bible, which was written by men as they interpreted the word of their God said that their God doesn't approve of homosexuality as referenced in stories of men.


Yes it is completely coincidental that men that lived thousands of years apart wrote the same thing, or how people like Daniel predicted the fall of Babylon 70 years before it happened, and named the tribe and the king's name who would take it over. Very interesting...how in the book of Daniel he named ALL the world empires by name for the next three thousand years to include Babylon, the Medes and Persians, Alexander the Great and the Greeks, the Romans. Yes very interesting.

You do know people have been trying to disprove the Bible since forever...and you think you got a shot...

[RenaissanceMan]

that makes no sense preacher man!!!!!!!

If God doesn't wake you up...we could throw water on you all day and you are not getting up.

Why kind of God let's His son die?

John 3:!6 - For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosover belives in Him(Jesus) should not perish but have everlasting life.

[Crazysix]

If God doesn't wake you up...we could throw water on you all day and you are not getting up.

Why kind of God let's His son die?

John 3:!6 - For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosover belives in Him(Jesus) should not perish but have everlasting life.

so would you sacrifice your child if god tell you to do it?????? you actually believe the bs your spewing...this is amazing....stupidity with reference material.


as far everlasting life, when you die you are worm food and your soul/ energy will just change form and continue on.......

[RenaissanceMan]

so would you sacrifice your child if god tell you to do it?????? you actually believe the bs your spewing...this is amazing....stupidity with reference material.


as far everlasting life, when you die you are worm food and your soul/ energy will just change form and continue on.......

Negative, you will get your body back, and so will everyone else. The sea and the earth will give up their dead right before you stand before God in judgement. This is one of the seven cardinal doctrines of Christianity. As far as moving on and changing forms..well to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, or seperated into a holding place called Hell (Hades in Greek, Sheol in Hebrew) but that is not the final destination. When a person dies and goes to hell, they still have not been judged yet. The final destination is Gehenna (Hebrew) aka lake of fire. However, the hope given to all men is Jesus Christ, and you can have it that hope too.


Interesting you should ask such a question about sacrifice....

Genesis 22
1And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

2And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

3And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.

4Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off.

5And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.

6And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.

7And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?

8And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

9And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.

10And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.

11And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.

12And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

13And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.

14And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

15And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,

16And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

17That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

18And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

[P_chan]

A hypocrite is someone who says one thing but does another. I live what I preach. And I would say the same thing in person. And who said God was ALL forgiving...though the price was paid with the blood of Jesus Christ. God only forgives those who ask for forgiveness. He that comes to God must first believe that He IS, and that He is a rewarded of those who deligently seek after Him.

Sorry but preaching about acceptance as long as you follow what you believe IS being a hypocrite.

See definition number one!



hyp⋅o⋅crite
[hip-uh-krit
–noun 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. 2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.


So by preaching that god is forgiving and merciful, as long as you blindly follow them and reject everything else, IS being a hypocrite in my book! Oh and if all you're going to do to back up your argument is preach and spout bible verses please go back to your "preaching on" thread and spare the rest of us.

[P_chan]

I'd also LOVE to hear js's opinion (more like lack there of) on this matter. Especially since all he can do is groan my posts without giving any input on the matter:rolleyes:

[P_chan]

Yes it is completely coincidental that men that lived thousands of years apart wrote the same thing, or how people like Daniel predicted the fall of Babylon 70 years before it happened, and named the tribe and the king's name who would take it over. Very interesting...how in the book of Daniel he named ALL the world empires by name for the next three thousand years to include Babylon, the Medes and Persians, Alexander the Great and the Greeks, the Romans. Yes very interesting.

You do know people have been trying to disprove the Bible since forever...and you think you got a shot...

That's a pretty easy feat when you write and edit the book after the shit already goes down:rolleyes: That and when you make very general and vague statements that could be applied to just about any situation.

[Go-Shay]

godisimaginary.com (http://godisimaginary.com)

[Tempestuous]

Wouldn't teaching homosexuality fall into sexual education?
Which is done in 5th or 6th grade in most states & requires a signed consent form from parents to allow their children to participate in the classes as far as I am aware.


Ahhhhhh! I see, they did it under the heading of 'diversity' not homosexuality.

[socalheart]

You do know people have been trying to disprove the Bible since forever...and you think you got a shot...

I'm not trying to disprove the bible. I simply say what I think of the bible as a literary piece.

[Trail]

godisimaginary.com (http://godisimaginary.com)

Holy schinikes! Go-shay lives! :first:

[ryukyuboi]

Reproduction is a topic first covered in the primary grades when students grow plants from seeds in their science lessons. Biology is not a subject that first begins at the upper elementary level. Indeed, many younger kids have knowledge about animal reproduction because their own female pet had "babies." So, broadly speaking, sex education begins quite early outside the classroom and within the science curriculum without parental approval.

When my own kids were in the 5th grade, they studied biology for about 9 weeks in the fall. I remember reading their biology text, although I don't remember everything I read from it today. But, topics included the various kinds of kingdoms scientist use to classify life, cell reproduction, genetics, photosynthesis, cloning, egg, sperm and so forth....in general, the life cycle.

Then sometime in the spring of 5th grade, the school planned to discuss human sexuality with 5th graders for about an hour and notified me as such. A whole hour!! The boys and girls would receive their human sexuality hour education apart from each other under the direction of a school nurse/health official. The reason given for this separation was that the kids would feel more comfortable and more apt to ask questions if sexually segregated. A short 20 minute film would be shown as well, one designed more for the girls, and one for the boys, although overall they were quite similar. I watched both. The films especially stressed hygene and physical changes of adolescence - voice, hair, sweating, rates of growth, menstrual cycle, erections. I believe masturbation and homosexuality might have had a combined total of 20 seconds worth of attention in the films. I did have to sign a parental permission form for my kids to be a part of this lesson. I guess one of my points in writing all of this is that the "teaching of homosexuality" was defining the word and that some people are this way, according to the film. Period. I would guess that today most 5th graders know this already. I did not attend the lesson, but I doubt much more than that was discussed in the class. It certainly was not the main objective.

My kids also received an AIDS education lesson from a representative of the Red Cross at a different time from the human sexuality presentation. I am not sure, but I may have had to sign a permission form for that lesson as well. How strange, I thought, that receiving currrent health information from the school would necessitate my approval.

[wenjam]

RM...Please stay outta my threads if you are going to give us a book's opinion. I am asking for personal, individually mind thought opinions. Not what you think the Bible says about it. I am one that gets really sick of it...if you notice in my original topic, it asks for "your opinion". I just am sick of your interpretation of how people should and shouldn't live their biblical life. You have a life, live it the way you see fit, and leave the Bible outta this one.

Where is DocP when I need him?

[RenaissanceMan]

That's a pretty easy feat when you write and edit the book after the shit already goes down:rolleyes: That and when you make very general and vague statements that could be applied to just about any situation.


Are you serious....there is NO ONE on earth that could write a book like the Bible. All of the books are dated by scientists as to when they were written, as well as by other historical writings from the Romans, Babylonians, Greeks, etc, etc. It would be impossible for somone who lived 3000 years ago to write about what is happening in 2008.

That would just be ignorant, if it was not inspired by God.

[RenaissanceMan]

Sorry but preaching about acceptance as long as you follow what you believe IS being a hypocrite.

See definition number one!






So by preaching that god is forgiving and merciful, as long as you blindly follow them and reject everything else, IS being a hypocrite in my book! Oh and if all you're going to do to back up your argument is preach and spout bible verses please go back to your "preaching on" thread and spare the rest of us.


I have no idea what you are talking about. Like I said, according to your definition, I would NOT be a hypocrite. I live what I preach.

Secondly, God ONLY forgives those who ask for forgiveness, He is only merciful to those who ask for mercy. Again, Jesus paid the price for all of our sins, but just like a mailman coming to the door for you to sign for a package...you will not receive eternal life from Jesus Christ until you sign for the package...which means asking for forgiveness for all you have done in your life and truly meaning it. Other than that, it does not matter how good of a person you are, how much you feed the poor, or anything like that. The only thing that matters is the day you said Yes to Jesus and no to yourself. As Jesus said, Truly I say to you, if you are not born again, you will NOT see the Kingdom of Heaven.

[P_chan]

No but when those predictions are vague then you can apply them to just about any situation. Such as the whole nostradamus writings predicting the 9/11 attacks. Funny how they didn't predict them until AFTER it happen:rolleyes:.

Uhhhhh and people did write the bible. Sure they may be dated but thousands of years of corruption by the pen holders and editors should raise so flags about it's authenticity. Anyone with any sort of common sense would pick that up right away. Nothing like editing one of the biggest fairy tales in history to suit your needs to invade a "holy land", start wars, or presicute those who disagree with you.

But I suggest honoring the thread starters requests and GTFO of here with the bible and the youth preacher routine, it's quite stale.

:edit: Yes humans did write the bible. A few of them were having "visions" of burning bushes and angels coming to them in their sleep. Seems like people have been enjoying drugs and imbibing in alcohol for a LONG time!

[wenjam]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Like I said, according to your definition, I would NOT be a hypocrite. I live what I preach.

Secondly, God ONLY forgives those who ask for forgiveness, He is only merciful to those who ask for mercy. Again, Jesus paid the price for all of our sins, but just like a mailman coming to the door for you to sign for a package...you will not receive eternal life from Jesus Christ until you sign for the package...which means asking for forgiveness for all you have done in your life and truly meaning it. Other than that, it does not matter how good of a person you are, how much you feed the poor, or anything like that. The only thing that matters is the day you said Yes to Jesus and no to yourself. As Jesus said, Truly I say to you, if you are not born again, you will NOT see the Kingdom of Heaven.


STOP!!STOP!!!STOP!!!STOP!!!:cursing:

[Crazysix]

STOP!!STOP!!!STOP!!!STOP!!!:cursing:

Buddha be praised:thumbup:

[RenaissanceMan]

No but when those predictions are vague then you can apply them to just about any situation. Such as the whole nostradamus writings predicting the 9/11 attacks. Funny how they didn't predict them until AFTER it happen:rolleyes:.

Uhhhhh and people did write the bible. Sure they may be dated but thousands of years of corruption by the pen holders and editors should raise so flags about it's authenticity. Anyone with any sort of common sense would pick that up right away. Nothing like editing one of the biggest fairy tales in history to suit your needs to invade a "holy land", start wars, or presicute those who disagree with you.

But I suggest honoring the thread starters requests and GTFO of here with the bible and the youth preacher routine, it's quite stale.

You do know you can go back and read the original text right... yes the original text, unaltered. King James version is direct translation from Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew. You can look up every single passage in its original language.

You should maybe do some research...Daniel (as in the Lion's Den) was president under four kings... which is when he wrote his book. He was a president under Babylon's Nebuchadnezzar and Belshazzar, as well as under King Darius and King Cyrus (Medo-Persian Empire) all recorded in history. Thanks and have a great day.. therefore what he said could not have been made up...even Jesus called him a prophet and said Daniel's final prophecy has not even come yet....google "abomination of desolation"

[wenjam]

STOP!!STOP!!!STOP!!! ONCE AGAIN!!!! JUST STOP!!! We don't want to hear it...Go on your own thread....!! Or are you just THAT dimwitted??!? Close your Bible, and open your eyes to reality.. SHUT UP!!

[Crazysix]

STOP!!STOP!!!STOP!!! ONCE AGAIN!!!! JUST STOP!!! We don't want to hear it...Go on your own thread....!! Or are you just THAT dimwitted??!? Close your Bible, and open your eyes to reality.. SHUT UP!!

give up next he is gonna burn a cross in the name of that holy fellow

[RenaissanceMan]

STOP!!STOP!!!STOP!!! ONCE AGAIN!!!! JUST STOP!!! We don't want to hear it...Go on your own thread....!! Or are you just THAT dimwitted??!? Close your Bible, and open your eyes to reality.. SHUT UP!!

So since I pretty much just quoted Bible scriptures...everything from your quote would be directed at God right? So, it is safe to say...you don't want God to do anything for you, God is dimwitted, and you want Jesus to open his eyes to reality. Oh and you said "We" so you speak for everyone.

Ok Got It.

[Crazysix]

GAYPRIDE:46a::46a::46a:

[Crazysix]

see god should have used a condom and we would have these problems, Mary...that fuxing slut

[wenjam]

So since I pretty much just quoted Bible scriptures...everything from your quote would be directed at God right? So, it is safe to say...you don't want God to do anything for you, God is dimwitted, and you want Jesus to open his eyes to reality. Oh and you said "We" so you speak for everyone.

Ok Got It.

It is you that can't speak for yourself......GO AWAY!! I do fine for MYSELF!

[wenjam]

RM, you have been reported...I have asked too many times...now I am telling you to get out of my thread.

[Asshat]

So since I pretty much just quoted Bible scriptures...everything from your quote would be directed at God right? So, it is safe to say...you don't want God to do anything for you, God is dimwitted, and you want Jesus to open his eyes to reality. Oh and you said "We" so you speak for everyone.

Ok Got It.

The Bible is nothing but a very boring work of fiction. God is a figment of your imagination that you need because you can't deal with the notion of being nothing but star dust, then worm dirt.

Stay in the religion threads if you want to keep doing missionary work. I've already heard too much from you Christian nutcases as of late. Oh, and stay out of the Government too.

[P_chan]

You do know you can go back and read the original text right... yes the original text, unaltered. King James version is direct translation from Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew. You can look up every single passage in its original language.

You should maybe do some research...Daniel (as in the Lion's Den) was president under four kings... which is when he wrote his book. He was a president under Babylon's Nebuchadnezzar and Belshazzar, as well as under King Darius and King Cyrus (Medo-Persian Empire) all recorded in history. Thanks and have a great day.. therefore what he said could not have been made up...even Jesus called him a prophet and said Daniel's final prophecy has not even come yet....google "abomination of desolation"

Hmmm and one would have to be VERY naive to believe that those are truly unaltered. All this talk of magical men, visions of imaginary friends in the sky, and burning bushes assures me that people have been doing drugs for a very long time. I bet if I took a couple hits of acid I would be hearing burning bushes talk and mickey mouse speaking in xenoglossy. I hope that mickey mouse knows that speaking in xenoglossy is speaking a different language fluently that you've never spoken before. Not speaking in tongues which is spouting jibberish that you made up to whip the congregation into a frenzy:rolleyes:

[P_chan]

So since I pretty much just quoted Bible scriptures...which is a bunch of short stories made up by man in an attempt to explain his surroundings and existence? So, it is safe to say...god doesn't exist and I need to open my mind to reality and stop trying to belittle entire groups of people because they're not bible humping and gay bashing like "good" christians. Oh and you said "We" so you speak for everyone.

Ok Got It.

There, I fixed your post!

[Fire4Effect]

RM, the laws of the Bible only apply to those that chose to live by them. You take an oath to follow them, therefore, when you break them, you are puished. I am not a christian, therefore, the laws of the Bible do not apply to me. The laws of my religion apply to me. Wenjam. My opinion on your thread is that in todays society, with increasing gay equality, and alternative families, then yes these kids should be made aware of it.

[RenaissanceMan]

RM, the laws of the Bible only apply to those that chose to live by them. You take an oath to follow them, therefore, when you break them, you are puished. I am not a christian, therefore, the laws of the Bible do not apply to me. The laws of my religion apply to me. Wenjam. My opinion on your thread is that in todays society, with increasing gay equality, and alternative families, then yes these kids should be made aware of it.

For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
You, me(RM) and everyone else reading this.

God's law can not be done away with, only superceded by the fulfilling of the prior. Which is why only Jesus could save us, because only He could live a sinless life. Just know that whatever you may say, if God decided to judge all of us at midnight and give us just reward for everything we have done in our lives...which one of us would still be living at 12:01? Thank God for His GRACE, God's Riches at Christ's Expense. And thank Jesus for stepping in and forgivinig us, who don't deserve to be forgiven for all the lies, cheating, backbiting, gossiping, fornication and everything else we did in our lives.

[Asshat]

For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
You, me(RM) and everyone else reading this.

God's law can not be done away with, only superceded by the fulfilling of the prior. Which is why only Jesus could save us, because only He could live a sinless life. Just know that whatever you may say, if God decided to judge all of us at midnight and give us just reward for everything we have done in our lives...which one of us would still be living at 12:01? Thank God for His GRACE, God's Riches at Christ's Expense. And thank Jesus for stepping in and forgivinig us, who don't deserve to be forgiven for all the lies, cheating, backbiting, gossiping, fornication and everything else we did in our lives.

And thank God he is killing all those infants, those women and children born of the wrong color in a wrong place. Thank God, he sent men to rid the earth of the evil brown people in the Americas, thank God for the hurricanes, the floods, the tsunami.

I am sorry to hear about your lying, cheating, backbiting, gossiping and fornication. Those sound tame compared to murder, but heck, you MIGHT make it in. Doubt it though. Oh wait, Jesus is hooking you up.

Hope he hooks up Hitler, Stalin and Bush!

[RenaissanceMan]

And thank God he is killing all those infants, those women and children born of the wrong color in a wrong place. Thank God, he sent men to rid the earth of the evil brown people in the Americas, thank God for the hurricanes, the floods, the tsunami.

I am sorry to hear about your lying, cheating, backbiting, gossiping and fornication. Those sound tame compared to murder, but heck, you MIGHT make it in. Doubt it though. Oh wait, Jesus is hooking you up.

Hope he hooks up Hitler, Stalin and Bush!

God is sorry about NOT hearing about your lying, cheating, backbiting, gossipping, fornication or any sin you have ever committed. Because, ONLY sins that are confessed can be forgiven. In the heart man believes and with a man's mouth, confession is made unto salvation.

But I am believing good things are just about to happen to you, and you will know Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, the Rose of Sharon, the Lily of the Valleys, the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Life Changing Redeemer and the Soon Coming King, that He is the Provider, the Healer, the Prince of Peace and the Lord of Glory, The Chief Shepherd and the Chief Cornerstone that the builders rejected, that He is God all by Himself, the Creator and Everlasting Father.

[NJJAM]

Hi all,

I was looking for Okinawa school info (got 3 kids) and ran into this (wow)
Well, a few things - I'm from New England and I am NOT happy about this.
The reason I find it crazy is regardless of which political side of the fence that people from my neighborhood was on, the church played a big part in their lives. And you know how the church feels about this…phew!
I was the weird one because I didn't subscribe to any side; catholic, protestant, jew, etc...I had a father who instilled in me whatever I believe in, make sure it's what "I" believe after educating myself and to not follow, him included.
In saying that, I don't like this because I've always felt that it's hard enough for most kids to digest the basic requirements in school (reading, math, science, etc) and the molding of the child as a person is the responsibility of the parent/parents.
5 year olds? Really? I had classmates who I played sports with that could barely read or write, but could ball their asses off. Surprise! Some of them are now in prison, living at home with mom/dad or homeless. Very few made it and did so only when they realized that they had to better themselves first. How about fixing the broken education system first, then let’s work on the instilling of the personal agendas of the school administrators.
Things like this happened a few times with my kids - a visit to the school and the school board does wonders…especially when you bring a lawyer. It reminds them that MY rights were violated as a parent during the process of pushing theirs...it's a "dope slap" for them.
On the homosexuality issue, I don’t care about it. I just want the school to their job and let me worry about mine. Trust me, the schools needs to really, really do their job.

[Richard Burns]

What Massachusetts NEEDS to do is get rid of that damn MCAS test. It's bullshit. Who cares about the fact you did 4 years of high school and got good grade cuz u fail that test you get a second class diploma.

[NJJAM]

From what I understand, the MCAS is a product of the "no Child Left Behind"? If so, what a pile of ****. Texas had something like this and up at Misawa, my kids were subject to this as well.
It's sad when the teachers tell you that your kids should learn the test, not the school requirements...nice.

:thumbdown:

[Richard Burns]

Nope. The stupid MCAS test was before George Dubya was even elected.

[0341isa]

so out of curiosity, and this is not fear mongering but a true question, and a fairly pheasable realistic one considering the impressionability of children...

If you child oes to school and as a five year old gets the same sex speech without your prior knowledge, and then the next saturday, your lets child is now playng "house" with a child of the same sex, how do you react?

Before getting all pissy, take the question at face value. I didnt say the school is going to turn your child gay, or anything like that, just the situation I just stated. how do you handle it? curious

[Richard Burns]

so out of curiosity, and this is not fear mongering but a true question, and a fairly pheasable realistic one considering the impressionability of children...

If you child oes to school and as a five year old gets the same sex speech without your prior knowledge, and then the next saturday, your lets child is now playng "house" with a child of the same sex, how do you react?

Before getting all pissy, take the question at face value. I didnt say the school is going to turn your child gay, or anything like that, just the situation I just stated. how do you handle it? curious

I'd be pretty furious. Now I'm not anti-gay. In fact I think gays should have the right to get married, serve in the military and everything else.

BUT I don't think this should be tought in schools and especially to young kids.

imho school should be teaching SCHOOL work. Sexuality, drug education, charcter building etc is a parents job and obligation not the school.

In that scenario I wouldn't blame the school per se but I as a dad would say "no son you're not supposed to play that with boys don't do it, that's nasty".

[NJJAM]

I'd ask why are they doing that and when I hear their answer (as I always ask when it's something my wife or I didn't teach them...) I'd then ask where and from whom did they learn that.
I don't get upset at my kids for something they don't have a grasp on. I go after the adults (school, etc)
I constantly let my kids know that they're only kids once and to enjoy being young. As long as they're minding their manners (being polite to others, etc) and doing their school work as best they can, all's well. in my eyes, my kids are growing up too fast as it is.
Oh but the school will be getting an early visit from me the following Monday. If we both can't go to school meetings, at least my wife attends. I've heard once of a comment something to the effect of "well Sir, it seems parents like you show up only when it's something you don't agree with..." and I usually can give the answer "funny, I didn't see you at the last Parents/Teacher conference...so are we done here?"

[0341isa]

hey, do any MOD want to hook my last post there up? I don't see my edit button, and I just realized I spelled feasible all retarded. "Pheasable"? what? Normally I don't care about spelling but thats just goofy looking.

[shleywren]

wow, I see this post turned into a big religion argument when the orginal poster didn't ask for anything about religion.

Anyways, I do not think school's should be teaching this to five year olds. I do agree that it would be appropriate to read a short book about different familes, but there should not be an entire segment of class time about any of this. five year olds should be learning to read, write, do math, draw a picture, and learning basic things. It is a parent's responsibility to explain sexuality, in any form to their children. Why would you even want some person you don't know teaching your child about sex and sexual relationships? The school any school should not be over stepping their bounds and teaching things to kids that those kids should be learning from their parents. Schools are supposed to teach children basic knoweldge and parents are supposed to teach children morals. In all honesty I wouldn't even put my kids in a public school. Five is definitely too young. Even if they are going to teach this its early middle school material not kindergarten material.

[Crazysix]

keep religion where it belongs, in the toliet!!!!!!, Rather my kids learn about different types of people and social interactions, so they do have to grow up with the social bias, that I had to personally over come to deal with different people, than about so puff of smoke that will give you happiness if you live the way he wants or else.

[Richard Burns]

keep religion where it belongs, in the toliet!!!!!!.


LMAO. :first::thumbup: ******* sweet!:first: