Off topic posts from "holy qouran" thread

[Sex Wax]

Thank you, but I will stick to my heathen worship of Fire Head God Dude (http://www.clubfuji.com/Ash/Ash%20Okinawa/Fire%20Head%20God%20Dude.JPG). As-Salam Alaikum.

[Crazysix]

I worship satan...in the church of evil but thanks any way

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[P_chan]

After a few shots of habu sake I usually start worshiping the porcelain god:barf:

[Crazysix]

After a few shots of habu sake I usually start worshiping the porcelain god:barf:

BOW DOWN TO THE HOLY 6

[P_chan]

I went to school with jesus.........he used to refurbish roofs with his uncle. He was a good guy!

[Jazz]

There is only one God. There are many Jesus though. The one who painted Odie's house, the white one I saw a picture of in Sunday School, and the one the ancient Arabs liked until Mohammad found out Adam and Eve were actually forgiven by God- and that no one had to die for it.

What about Jesus the pedophile bowler on The Big Lebowski?

[Jazz]

"Sex Wax" but how did ur people made him ...who did they see or touch him
to me ...i know that our god " allah " Sublime, the Almighty stay on sky and any where ...

Now this is an excellent question and I'm really interested in hearing Wax's answer....

[Sex Wax]

"Sex Wax" but how did ur people made him ...who did they see or touch him
to me ...i know that our god " allah " Sublime, the Almighty stay on sky and any where ...

Fire Head God Dude is just an extension of All Supreme Beings. He does not represent any single religion, but all religions and none at the same time. He represents Fire which giveth life and heat to the Coals so that we may enjoy Grilled Food. The grilled food may be the Meat, the Fruit, or the Vegetables. He also represents Happiness that Friends may gather and enjoy the fruits of the Grill and the Cooler. He requires no sacrifice or prayers, only that you respect mother nature and help clean up the Yard after the BBQ. He also only requires that you do not drink and drive, but ye, call upon the Taxi or Daiko to deliver you home safely.

[Jazz]

Fire Head God Dude is just an extension of All Supreme Beings. He does not represent any single religion, but all religions and none at the same time. He represents Fire which giveth life and heat to the Coals so that we may enjoy Grilled Food. The grilled food may be the Meat, the Fruit, or the Vegetables. He also represents Happiness that Friends may gather and enjoy the fruits of the Grill and the Cooler. He requires no sacrifice or prayers, only that you respect mother nature and help clean up the Yard after the BBQ. He also only requires that you do not drink and drive, but ye, call upon the Taxi or Daiko to deliver you home safely.

That answers who he is and what he does but I'm a little more curious about the anser to the original question by Aby - "how did ur people made him ...who did they see or touch him to me?"

[Sex Wax]

That answers who he is and what he does but I'm a little more curious about the anser to the original question by Aby - "how did ur people made him ...who did they see or touch him to me?"

He was made by the people, for the people.

[Asshat]

He was made by the people, for the people.

Yeah, but so was George Bush.

[dk]

Fire Head God Dude is just an extension of All Supreme Beings. He does not represent any single religion, but all religions and none at the same time. He represents Fire which giveth life and heat to the Coals so that we may enjoy Grilled Food. The grilled food may be the Meat, the Fruit, or the Vegetables. He also represents Happiness that Friends may gather and enjoy the fruits of the Grill and the Cooler. He requires no sacrifice or prayers, only that you respect mother nature and help clean up the Yard after the BBQ. He also only requires that you do not drink and drive, but ye, call upon the Taxi or Daiko to deliver you home safely.
Now that's a god I can get with!!!

[Sex Wax]

Yeah, but so was George Bush.

No, George Bush was made out of left over body parts from previous Presidents. They just forgot to put in the brain when they made him.

[Maggie]

Looks like a depiction of the garden variety, horny red-man to me! :) No disrespect meant...just a pun.

-Oki Alumni:old:


I thought he was the bad guy out of Krull

Maggie

[aby aof]

He was made by the people, for the people.

for what...
and i think that u can Indispensable him.....that's not a god !!!!
the real god is whos made us not why made him ...
the real god can Indispensable us

[Bones]

Yawn!!!!!

All of your diatribes are useless.

You extend friendship to anyone outside of your beliefs, as they suit you.

Your kindness, is only related to those who believe in your faith, or those born of your race.

Once their usefulness no longer has an effect beneficial to you, they are slaughtered, or sold into slavery.

It's been that way for ages, for battles you draw upon those ignorant enough to believe, so that your own people will not be sacrificed.

You believe yourselves to be the "Chosen" people. Much as Christians do.

Words of kindness, digress to words of wisdom from the pulpit.

While others welcome you, I do not.

Be gone.:army:

[Jrocka83]

The Quran ("Qor-Ann") is a Message from Allah to humanity. It was transmitted to us in a chain starting from the Almighty Himself (swt) to the angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad (saas). This message was given to the Prophet (saas) in pieces over a period spanning approximately 23 years (610 CE to 632 CE).

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read the holy quran with 30 languages translate available in this website
http://www.alketab.com/

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[cellophane]

Yawn!!!!!

All of your diatribes are useless.

You extend friendship to anyone outside of your beliefs, as they suit you.

Your kindness, is only related to those who believe in your faith, or those born of your race.

Once their usefulness no longer has an effect beneficial to you, they are slaughtered, or sold into slavery.

It's been that way for ages, for battles you draw upon those ignorant enough to believe, so that your own people will not be sacrificed.

You believe yourselves to be the "Chosen" people. Much as Christians do.

Words of kindness, digress to words of wisdom from the pulpit.

While others welcome you, I do not.

Be gone.:army:

Why would you tell him, or anyone here to be gone? He has every right to post and others have every right to welcome him. After all, this is a thread listed under the RELIGION and BELIEFS section. It also says:

Religion and Beliefs All religions are welcome here. Discuss anything related to religion.


If you have so much animostiy against his religion, or Christians, why are you wasting your time in this section? He isin't invading your turf, you are on his.

[vvloc]

Thanks for having the courage to state the obvious cellophane. Bones has a habit of doing this with incredible frequency.

[DougP]

Hopefully after I get some much needed rest, I'll come back in here and clean this thread up some. Get rid of some off topic posts to include this one.

[cellophane]

Thanks for having the courage to state the obvious cellophane. Bones has a habit of doing this with incredible frequency.

lol vvloc. I couldn't help it. It's just that anytime I see someone who is so anit-religion wasting his time posting in the RELIGION thread it makes me wonder why no one else states the obvious. It's like a straight guy going into a gay bar and bashing or a non-drinker going into a bar to proclaim the dangers or alcohol. If someone knows he is not going to like the subject matter being discussed why read the thread? :scratchchin:

[Oki alumni]

Why would you tell him, or anyone here to be gone? He has every right to post and others have every right to welcome him. After all, this is a thread listed under the RELIGION and BELIEFS section. It also says:

Religion and Beliefs All religions are welcome here. Discuss anything related to religion.


If you have so much animostiy against his religion, or Christians, why are you wasting your time in this section? He isin't invading your turf, you are on his.

THANK YOU!!!

-Oki Alumni:old:

[vvloc]

It's like a straight guy going into a gay bar and bashing or a non-drinker going into a bar to proclaim the dangers or alcohol. If someone knows he is not going to like the subject matter being discussed why read the thread? :scratchchin:

Cellophane, Einstein defined insanity as someone repeating the same mistakes repeatedly, expecting different results. You are relatively new here, you will see this same pattern repeated over and over in all manner of threads by the poster in question.

He just can't conceive of your excellent gay bar analogy.

Again, I applaud your courage in being the poster willing to take a moral stand

[cellophane]

Cellophane, Einstein defined insanity as someone repeating the same mistakes repeatedly, expecting different results. You are relatively new here, you will see this same pattern repeated over and over in all manner of threads by the poster in question.

He just can't conceive of your excellent gay bar analogy.

Again, I applaud your courage in being the poster willing to take a moral stand

Thanks vvloc but no applause are needed. I do have a terrible suspicion about something so I ask those who thanked me to answer this. The individual I stood up for seems to be a friendly enough guy who is obviously very passionate about the Muslim religion. Would you have thanked me for my moral stand had it been a Christian who's rights I had defended?

Not trying to troll up any trouble but I have to admit I am curious.

[vvloc]

Thanks vvloc but no applause are needed. I do have a terrible suspicion about something so I ask those who thanked me to answer this. The individual I stood up for seems to be a friendly enough guy who is obviously very passionate about the Muslim religion. Would you have thanked me for my moral stand had it been a Christian who's rights I had defended?

Not trying to troll up any trouble but I have to admit I am curious.

I MOST certainly would have - when you've become more familiar with me, or if you read my posting history, you would see that I am severely anti-racist and anti-prejudice, regardless of the color or the beliefs of those being discriminated against.

[Oki alumni]

Thanks vvloc but no applause are needed. I do have a terrible suspicion about something so I ask those who thanked me to answer this. The individual I stood up for seems to be a friendly enough guy who is obviously very passionate about the Muslim religion. Would you have thanked me for my moral stand had it been a Christian who's rights I had defended?

Not trying to troll up any trouble but I have to admit I am curious.

I also would have thanked you...whether it was Christian, Buddhist, or any other religion or non-religion. Your earlier observation is very valid regarding the bars, etc. If I'm a red-neck, I don't go harassing heavy-metal guys, I just listen to my OWN style of music. We CAN all live together and enjoy differing points of view. I WILL "ask" that you don't try to FORCE your's on ME. An "offer" on the other hand is acceptable...I can take it or reject it...LOL, and later change my mind.

-Oki Alumni:old:

[Maggie]

for what...
and i think that u can Indispensable him.....that's not a god !!!!
the real god is whos made us not why made him ...
the real god can Indispensable us


I'm sorry, but I find it impossible to believe that Moslems believe implicitly in peace.

Your "real God" has watched suicide bombers kill themselves and surrounding people. They believed they were doing their Gods will.

Too many people have been killed, tortured and maimed in the name of your God, for me to believe that violence is against his doctrines.

Forgive me if I disagree with you, but your God in my humble opinion, does not exist, and in the event of me being wrong, he is a cruel, vindictive, vengeful God, who has spawned followers who have in their belief of your God, committed unforgivable atrocities world wide in his name.


Maggie

[dk]

Maggie, are you saying that the Christian God is more peaceful?

[badkitty]

I'm sorry, but I find it impossible to believe that Moslems believe implicitly in peace.

Your "real God" has watched suicide bombers kill themselves and surrounding people. They believed they were doing their Gods will.

Too many people have been killed, tortured and maimed in the name of your God, for me to believe that violence is against his doctrines.

Forgive me if I disagree with you, but your God in my humble opinion, does not exist, and in the event of me being wrong, he is a cruel, vindictive, vengeful God, who has spawned followers who have in their belief of your God, committed unforgivable atrocities world wide in his name.


Maggie


Maggie,

What you are seeing are extremists. They come in all religious flavors. For example it's like those Christians that blow up Family Planning clinics because God 'says' abortion is a sin.... Its all about interpretation...

[Jimmy Hoffa]

Maggie, are you saying that the Christian God is more peaceful?

Allah and the Christians and Jews God are the same.

[Maggie]

Maggie, are you saying that the Christian God is more peaceful?


Yes (not that he's my God), but the atrocities committed in His name weren't committed by Christians.

If they believed they were Christians, they'd turn the other cheek, and never harm another living soul.

We come up very short on actual Christians, but we have hosts claiming that they are.

Maggie

[Jimmy Hoffa]

Yes (not that he's my God), but the atrocities committed in His name weren't committed by Christians.

If they believed they were Christians, they'd turn the other cheek, and never harm another living soul.

We come up very short on actual Christians, but we have hosts claiming that they are.

Maggie

Wow ever here of the crusades? The Spanish inquisition? The witch trials of America?

Christians have done terrible things as well.

btw I am a Christian as well but the fact is the Christians have done some terrible things in history and some still do today. Abortion clinic bombings, and this sick and twisted westbourough baptists church that protest at servicemebers funerals.

point is there are extermists of all faiths that have gave religions bad names.

Jews, Christians and Muslims codemn violence and the atrocities commited are against these religions teachings.

[badkitty]

Wow ever here of the crusades? The Spanish inquisition? The witch trials of America?

Christians have done terrible things as well.

btw I am a Christian as well but the fact is the Christians have done some terrible things in history and some still do today. Abortion clinic bombings, and this sick and twisted westbourough baptists church that protest at servicemebers funerals.

point is there are extermists of all faiths that have gave religions bad names.

Jews, Christians and Muslims codemn violence and the atrocities commited are against these religions teachings.


I can say that the greatest honor in my little existence on this earth is to honor a fallen service member.

[Maggie]

Wow ever here of the crusades? The Spanish inquisition? The witch trials of America?

Christians have done terrible things as well.

btw I am a Christian as well but the fact is the Christians have done some terrible things in history and some still do today. Abortion clinic bombings, and this sick and twisted westbourough baptists church that protest at servicemebers funerals.

point is there are extermists of all faiths that have gave religions bad names.

Jews, Christians and Muslims codemn violence and the atrocities commited are against these religions teachings.



Yes I've heard of the Crusades, but I can count on one hand the actual practising Christians I know, and none of them are priests.

Atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity, for hundreds of years. The Church has used it's influence to gain money and power.

A true follower of Christ could not harm another human being, no matter what the provocation.

The gap between true Christians and people acting under the flag of Christianity is unsurpassable.

If The Church were to follow Christ's commands, they wouldn't be the richest body around, they'd have used whatever they had to help people all over the world, who need help.

Didn't Jesus say something about rich men passing through they eye of a needle

You're either a practising Christian, or you're not a Christian.

Maggie

[Jimmy Hoffa]

Yes I've heard of the Crusades, but I can count on one hand the actual practising Christians I know, and none of them are priests.

Atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity, for hundreds of years. The Church has used it's influence to gain money and power.

A true follower of Christ could not harm another human being, no matter what the provocation.

The gap between true Christians and people acting under the flag of Christianity is unsurpassable.

If The Church were to follow Christ's commands, they wouldn't be the richest body around, they'd have used whatever they had to help people all over the world, who need help.

Didn't Jesus say something about rich men passing through they eye of a needle

You're either a practising Christian, or you're not a Christian.

Maggie


You just proved my point. And a True muslim does not condone violence. Al Queida and other terrorists are not Muslims they are using the name Islam for political gain and to execute their agenda. They are not Muslims.

[Jimmy Hoffa]

CNN News

NEW YORK (CNN) -- A Muslim man jumped to the aid of three Jewish subway riders after they were attacked by a group of young people who objected to one of the Jews saying "Happy Hanukkah," a spokeswoman for the three said Wednesday.


The New York Police Department's Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating Friday's incident on the Q train.

Friday's altercation on the Q train began when somebody yelled out "Merry Christmas," to which rider Walter Adler responded, "Happy Hanukkah," said Toba Hellerstein.

"Almost immediately, you see the look in this guy's face like I've called his mother something," Adler told CNN affiliate WABC.

Two women who were with a group of 10 rowdy people then began to verbally assault Adler's companions with anti-Semitic language, Hellerstein said.

One member of the group allegedly yelled, "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus," she said.

When Adler tried to intercede, a male member of the group punched him, she said.

Another passenger, Hassan Askari -- a Muslim student from Bangladesh -- came to Adler's aid, and the group began physically and verbally assaulting him, Hellerstein said.

"A Muslim-American saved us when our own people were on the train and didn't do anything," Adler said. Watch Adler describe the altercation »

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Adler pulled the emergency brake and the train stopped at DeKalb Avenue station, where police came on board.

The 10 suspects, ages 19 to 20, were taken into custody, said Brooklyn district attorney spokesman Sandy Silverstein.

Askari was first handcuffed alongside them, but he was released when Adler told police he was not an attacker, Hellerstein said.

Alder was treated at Long Island College Hospital for injuries that included a fractured nose and a cut lip that required several stitches, while Askari suffered a black eye, Hellerstein said.


The suspects are to appear in Brooklyn District Court on February 7 on charges that include assault, attempted assault, menacing, harassment, unlawful assembly, riot and disorderly conduct, Silverstein said.

The New York Police Department's Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating the incident, and will determine whether the suspects will be charged with hate crimes, Officer Philip Hauser told CNN.

[cellophane]

Jimmy and Maggie- I think you two actually agree more than you realize. Maggie just may be more familiar with Christianity.

[Maggie]

[Qote] Why is it so hard for Muslim to become a Christian or join with another religion? Mohammed said, “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” (Hadith Al Buhkari vol. 9:57) This command is practiced in almost all Islamic Fundamentalist countries today.

“Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the last Day…. Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! (Sura 9:5,29,41).

Mohammed said, “I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah” (Al Bukhari vol. 4:196).

“During the last days there will appear some young foolish people, who will say the best words, but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will leave the faith) and will go out from their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection

Sura 4:74: “Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of Allah, - whether he is slain or gets victory - soon shall We give him a reward of great value.” [Quote]


I don't think you'll find anything like this in the New Testament.

Maggie

[Maggie]

Jimmy and Maggie- I think you two actually agree more than you realize. Maggie just may be more familiar with Christianity.

That's what happens when you get captured by nuns at a young age :D

Maggie

[Bones]

I just think that all of you are nuts.:cool:

[Maggie]

I just think that all of you are nuts.:cool:

You may well be right. There's an awful lot wrong with the world. :ohmy:


Maggie

[Jimmy Hoffa]

Yes I've heard of the Crusades, but I can count on one hand the actual practising Christians I know, and none of them are priests.

Atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity, for hundreds of years. The Church has used it's influence to gain money and power.

A true follower of Christ could not harm another human being, no matter what the provocation.

The gap between true Christians and people acting under the flag of Christianity is unsurpassable.

If The Church were to follow Christ's commands, they wouldn't be the richest body around, they'd have used whatever they had to help people all over the world, who need help.

Didn't Jesus say something about rich men passing through they eye of a needle

You're either a practising Christian, or you're not a Christian.

Maggie


another fact to note when Spain (known a Gual at the time) and other parts of Europe were under Muslim control people had freedom of religion with the only catch was non-muslims paid higher taxes.

When the Christians regaind control non christians were tortured, hung or burned at the stake.

[Maggie]

another fact to note when Spain (known a Gual at the time) and other parts of Europe were under Muslim control people had freedom of religion with the only catch was non-muslims paid higher taxes.

When the Christians regaind control non christians were tortured, hung or burned at the stake.



Yes, but would you, yourself, ever burn someone at the stake, simply for not agreeing with your beliefs?

I'm sure you wouldn't, nor would any Christian.

Most of the English army were muderer, rapists, and thieves, who were promised their share of the women and loot if they fought for their country. Their only claim to Christianity was the Flag they fought under.

Many years ago, The Church was flexing it's muscles, and was completely corrupt. They really had no claim to Christianity at all.

The New Testement preaches love and forgivness. "Love thy neighbour as thyself"

The same cannot be said for The Qouran.

I haven't spellchecked this, so you can take the piss out of my spelling mistakes.

Maggie

[Jimmy Hoffa]

Yes, but would you, yourself, ever burn someone at the stake, simply for not agreeing with your beliefs?

I'm sure you wouldn't, nor would any Christian.

Most of the English army were muderer, rapists, and thieves, who were promised their share of the women and loot if they fought for their country. Their only claim to Christianity was the Flag they fought under.

Many years ago, The Church was flexing it's muscles, and was completely corrupt. They really had no claim to Christianity at all.

The New Testement preaches love and forgivness. "Love thy neighbour as thyself"

The same cannot be said for The Qouran.

I haven't spellchecked this, so you can take the piss out of my spelling mistakes.

Maggie

Than explain why a Muslim man came to the aid of a Jew who was being atacked?

[cellophane]

another fact to note when Spain (known a Gual at the time) and other parts of Europe were under Muslim control people had freedom of religion with the only catch was non-muslims paid higher taxes.

When the Christians regaind control non christians were tortured, hung or burned at the stake.

Jimmy- remember, however, not to equate biblical Christianity (what Maggie is talking about ) with a nation run Church . One is a belief based on faith and the other an institution. You are talking about an organized religion that was led by politcal leaders. Perhaps it started out with good intentions but it became corrupt. Often, because the word "christian" is associated with both they are assumed to be the same thing.

[Maggie]

Than explain why a Muslim man came to the aid of a Jew who was being atacked?

People are individuals. Most people would avoid any trouble to the extent that they will cross the road rather than get involved. I'm not a Christian, but I would have helped if I could.

Some people will just step in, rather than see someone being hurt.

Regardless of religion and creed, some will help while others stand by and watch.

Maggie

[Maggie]

Jimmy- remember, however, not to equate biblical Christianity (what Maggie is talking about ) with a nation run Church . One is a belief based on faith and the other an institution. You are talking about an organized religion that was led by politcal leaders. Perhaps it started out with good intentions but it became corrupt. Often, because the word "christian" is associated with both they are assumed to be the same thing.

You explained that far better than I could have :)

Maggie

[Bones]

As posted by cellophane:

Why would you tell him, or anyone here to be gone? He has every right to post and others have every right to welcome him. After all, this is a thread listed under the RELIGION and BELIEFS section. It also says:

Religion and Beliefs All religions are welcome here. Discuss anything related to religion.


If you have so much animostiy against his religion, or Christians, why are you wasting your time in this section? He isin't invading your turf, you are on his.

You know, you're absolutely right.

I think what is clouding my judgment is the two airplanes that hit the World Trade Center, the airplane that slammed into the Pentagon, etc...

If my post upset some people, who cares?

It's my opinion, and since I don't have the power to banish that person, it's just my opinion. Nobody is forcing you to agree with my opinion.

Bones:cool:

[P_chan]

As posted by cellophane:



You know, you're absolutely right.

I think what is clouding my judgment is the two airplanes that hit the World Trade Center, the airplane that slammed into the Pentagon, etc...

If my post upset some people, who cares?

It's my opinion, and since I don't have the power to banish that person, it's just my opinion. Nobody is forcing you to agree with my opinion.

Bones:cool:

How about not compairing the radicals to everyone else for once? It's this same type of thinking that leads others to believe that obama is a muslim. Even if he was, who gives a shit?

[Maggie]

How about not compairing the radicals to everyone else for once? It's this same type of thinking that leads others to believe that obama is a muslim. Even if he was, who gives a shit?


I think I'd give a shit. I'd be a little uncomfortable with the USA having a Moslem President, just as I would if we had a Moslem Prime Minister, but that isn't the issue.

The Quoran is not a testament to peace. It encourages violence towards any infidel and reward in heaven if you dispatch one.

Allah is not the merciful God depicted in the OP, he's a Jealous God, who wants all infidels either converted or killed.

It's easy to preach the peaceful parts, but lets not forget the less than peaceful parts.

Maggie

[DougP]

I think I'd give a shit. I'd be a little uncomfortable with the USA having a Moslem President, just as I would if we had a Moslem Prime Minister, but that isn't the issue.

The Quoran is not a testament to peace. It encourages violence towards any infidel and reward in heaven if you dispatch one.

Allah is not the merciful God depicted in the OP, he's a Jealous God, who wants all infidels either converted or killed.

It's easy to preach the peaceful parts, but lets not forget the less than peaceful parts.

Maggie

And that sort of thing doesn't exist in the Bible right? Just another book filled with love and peace?

"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2, NIV. 1
"...do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them...as the Lord your God has commanded you..." Deuteronomy 20:16, NIV. 1

First born sons of Egyptians being slaughtered in Exodus or the flood that wiped out an entire planet of "infidels" leaving only the "chosen ones". The conquest of Canaan,... oh the list goes on... You are right its easy to preach the "peaceful" parts. Let's not forget the religion of the current US president and the mayhem that has happened under his "Christian" watch.

[cellophane]

As posted by cellophane:



You know, you're absolutely right.

I think what is clouding my judgment is the two airplanes that hit the World Trade Center, the airplane that slammed into the Pentagon, etc...

If my post upset some people, who cares?

It's my opinion, and since I don't have the power to banish that person, it's just my opinion. Nobody is forcing you to agree with my opinion.

Bones:cool:


Hey Bones -just between you and me

I 'm not a big fan of the Muslim religion either but when it comes to personally attacking someone for the faith he follows, well- I just don't think that's right.

I kind of look at it like this: most religion (of all expressions) is fake and corrupt. But an idividual's faith - that is one thing altogether different and that is real. And it can be good. I honestly think that it's worth appriciating a person's willingness to believe in a god even if you believe the religion he has chosen is the wrong one. It only becomes an issue if that person is causing harm.

Each soul alive eventually wonders if there is something out there. A higher power I guess. That power can be God as he best understands him (i.e. Sex wax's fire god), or it can be a deep hearted commitment to just loving people and striving to do the right thing.

Maybe you think a Muslim, or a Christian, or a Klansmember is following a lie. Maybe I think that. Well if I am to have any influence on leading him to what I believe to be "truth" how far do you think I would get if I just start attacking him? Banishing him is not the answer-not in a public forum where no rules were violated.

[Maggie]

And that sort of thing doesn't exist in the Bible right? Just another book filled with love and peace?

"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2, NIV. 1
"...do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them...as the Lord your God has commanded you..." Deuteronomy 20:16, NIV. 1

First born sons of Egyptians being slaughtered in Exodus or the flood that wiped out an entire planet of "infidels" leaving only the "chosen ones". The conquest of Canaan,... oh the list goes on... You are right its easy to preach the "peaceful" parts. Let's not forget the religion of the current US president and the mayhem that has happened under his "Christian" watch.


That's The Old Testement. The one The Jewish Community follow.

The Christian religion follows the New Testement, as in Jesus.

The current US President is not a Christian, no matter how often he says he is.


Maggie

[Maggie]

I can say that the greatest honor in my little existence on this earth is to honor a fallen service member.

And there have been far too many of them who deserve that honour.


Maggie

[Maggie]

I'm not anti-Moslem, I'm anti The Qouran.

I'm not racist, and I like just about everyone, but the OP was about the Moslem religion being a peaceful religion, when it clearly isn't.

I disagree with aby aof's selective portrayal of it

Maggie

[vvloc]

As posted by cellophane:



You know, you're absolutely right.

I think what is clouding my judgment is the two airplanes that hit the World Trade Center, the airplane that slammed into the Pentagon, etc...

If my post upset some people, who cares?

It's my opinion, and since I don't have the power to banish that person, it's just my opinion. Nobody is forcing you to agree with my opinion.

Bones:cool:

The nazis perfected the "art" of the big lie repeated day after day after day - with bones it's hundreds of little lies repeated day after day after day.

[Oki alumni]

As posted by cellophane:



You know, you're absolutely right.

I think what is clouding my judgment is the two airplanes that hit the World Trade Center, the airplane that slammed into the Pentagon, etc...

If my post upset some people, who cares?

It's my opinion, and since I don't have the power to banish that person, it's just my opinion. Nobody is forcing you to agree with my opinion.

Bones:cool:

Yeah, and I remember the things a few Germans of the X-tian religion DID, and ALLOWED TO BE DONE prior to, and during WWII Bones...maybe you should extend that ethnic hatred for THAT vile population and religion!

Just an observation, don't mean to upset anyone, and if I do "who cares"?, right?

-Oki Alumni:old: :cool: and THEN some.

[Bones]

As posted by cellophane:

Hey Bones -just between you and me

I 'm not a big fan of the Muslim religion either but when it comes to personally attacking someone for the faith he follows, well- I just don't think that's right.

I kind of look at it like this: most religion (of all expressions) is fake and corrupt. But an idividual's faith - that is one thing altogether different and that is real. And it can be good. I honestly think that it's worth appriciating a person's willingness to believe in a god even if you believe the religion he has chosen is the wrong one. It only becomes an issue if that person is causing harm.

Each soul alive eventually wonders if there is something out there. A higher power I guess. That power can be God as he best understands him (i.e. Sex wax's fire god), or it can be a deep hearted commitment to just loving people and striving to do the right thing.

Maybe you think a Muslim, or a Christian, or a Klansmember is following a lie. Maybe I think that. Well if I am to have any influence on leading him to what I believe to be "truth" how far do you think I would get if I just start attacking him? Banishing him is not the answer-not in a public forum where no rules were violated.

Fair enough. I believe what I have posted. You get born, you live, you die.

That's it. The light goes out, you're history.

Don't talk to me about religion, don't talk to me about guys hiding under white hoods. And please, do not talk to me about changing my mind, because you are looking for funds to build another church on this
island.:rolleyes:

[vvloc]

As posted by cellophane:



Fair enough. I believe what I have posted. You get born, you live, you die.

That's it. The light goes out, you're history.

Don't talk to me about religion, don't talk to me about guys hiding under white hoods. And please, do not talk to me about changing my mind, because you are looking for funds to build another church on this
island.:rolleyes:

The flightline of the legendary mosquito on crack continues; and all other posters by comparison seem like Mensa candidates.

[vvloc]

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhz6xE4Tir0&feature=related

"No one knows what it's like
To be hated
To be fated
To telling only lies"

[cellophane]

As posted by cellophane:



Fair enough. I believe what I have posted. You get born, you live, you die.

That's it. The light goes out, you're history.



Yep. We all become a part of history. On your tombstone you get your birthdate, the date of death, and that little dash in between.

It's what that dash in between stands for that counts for how you will be remembered. No words will be written giving the details. But the people who knew you who come to your grave will remember and they will tell of your dash.

We have no control over the day of birth or day or death. But we do have some say of what happens in between.


Oki Vv. Boner

1968 - 2020

[kombu_kid]

Maggie,

What you are seeing are extremists. They come in all religious flavors. For example it's like those Christians that blow up Family Planning clinics because God 'says' abortion is a sin.... Its all about interpretation...

Yeah, they're extremists......and you don't need any "revelation from God" to figure out that killing a baby......a baby that could most likely live outside the womb of it's mother, is murder plain and simple. But all you delusional weaklings, who still cling to that "pro-choice" mantra, are afraid of the truth. You need lies spoon-fed to you in tidy packages by others, letting you know what "the truth" is. People gladly accept murder of their own offspring and human bretheren under the PC title of "family planning".

Would have bombing the ovens with which Hitler fried the Jews be considered extremism?

I often wonder if in the future, people will look back at this as the holocaust part II.......albeit a 50 or 100 year one.

[Bones]

As posted by Okialumni:

Yeah, and I remember the things a few Germans of the X-tian religion DID, and ALLOWED TO BE DONE prior to, and during WWII Bones...maybe you should extend that ethnic hatred for THAT vile population and religion!

Just an observation, don't mean to upset anyone, and if I do "who cares"?, right?

You are talking about things that happened a long time ago, and I've never said that those things never happened.

Those acts were committed by people who wore uniforms. At least you knew who was responsible. Not cowards hiding amongst the crowds, using innocent people in airliners to accomplish their goals, or firing a gun and then hiding within the local population by ripping your mask off.

Terrorists, deserve to be treated with the same amount of human rights they extend to their victims. Which in the case that I've mentioned, equals none.

You, and your buddy want to whine about that fine.:cool:

[P_chan]

As posted by Okialumni:



You are talking about things that happened a long time ago, and I've never said that those things never happened.

Those acts were committed by people who wore uniforms. At least you knew who was responsible. Not cowards hiding amongst the crowds, using innocent people in airliners to accomplish their goals, or firing a gun and then hiding within the local population by ripping your mask off.

Terrorists, deserve to be treated with the same amount of human rights they extend to their victims. Which in the case that I've mentioned, equals none.

You, and your buddy want to whine about that fine.:cool:

Wait, so are we talking about terrorist or muslims? There is a difference between the two. Or are you trying to say that ALL muslims are terrorist?

[Jimmy Hoffa]

Yeah, they're extremists......and you don't need any "revelation from God" to figure out that killing a baby......a baby that could most likely live outside the womb of it's mother, is murder plain and simple. But all you delusional weaklings, who still cling to that "pro-choice" mantra, are afraid of the truth. You need lies spoon-fed to you in tidy packages by others, letting you know what "the truth" is. People gladly accept murder of their own offspring and human bretheren under the PC title of "family planning".

Would have bombing the ovens with which Hitler fried the Jews be considered extremism?

I often wonder if in the future, people will look back at this as the holocaust part II.......albeit a 50 or 100 year one.

Prochoice is better than growing up as an unwanted kid ik:thumbdown:

[vvloc]

Wait, so are we talking about terrorist or muslims? There is a difference between the two. Or are you trying to say that ALL muslims are terrorist?

Are you really trying to ask BONES what he us talking about? Bones has NEVER known what he is talking about - never has, never will.



In 1963, Hannah Arendt wrote a book called the banality of evil. Although, the book was written about Adolph Eichmann, the psyche and premise of her book can clearly be soon in the continually banal postings of bones

[vvloc]

As posted by Okialumni:



You are talking about things that happened a long time ago, and I've never said that those things never happened.

Those acts were committed by people who wore uniforms. At least you knew who was responsible. Not cowards hiding amongst the crowds, using innocent people in airliners to accomplish their goals, or firing a gun and then hiding within the local population by ripping your mask off.

Terrorists, deserve to be treated with the same amount of human rights they extend to their victims. Which in the case that I've mentioned, equals none.

You, and your buddy want to whine about that fine.:cool:

You're not trying to tell us that because the nazis wore uniforms, they were not cowards, are you, bones???

They WERE cowards, bones, whether you choose to admit it or not, and those uniformed terrorists didn't kill 3,000 innocents - they killed six million.

[kombu_kid]

Wait, so are we talking about terrorist or muslims? There is a difference between the two. Or are you trying to say that ALL muslims are terrorist?

Well, I didn't exactly see an explosion of outrage by the Muslim community after 9/11........

[Oki alumni]

As posted by cellophane:



Fair enough. I believe what I have posted. You get born, you live, you die.

That's it. The light goes out, you're history.

Don't talk to me about religion, don't talk to me about guys hiding under white hoods. And please, do not talk to me about changing my mind, because you are looking for funds to build another church on this
island.:rolleyes:

Yeah...to each his own, eh?

Sign on gate at Buchenwald reads: Jedem das Seine
http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/photoplog/file.php?n=236&w=o
The photo above was taken from inside the gatehouse at the Buchenwald concentration camp, looking out at the administration building outside the camp; the sign on the gate can only be read from the inside. In English, it means "To Each his Own," or "Everyone gets what he deserves.

(Picture posted under the "fair use" clause of U.S. copyright laws. All rights respected.)

This photograph and other "interesting snapshots" may be viewed with commentary at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/buchenwald/JedemDasSeine.html

As for the church...it is NONE of you money, NONE of your time, and therefore, really NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

Lest we forget the lessons of the past!

-Oki Alumni:old:

[vvloc]

Yeah...to each his own, eh?

Sign on gate at Buchenwald reads: Jedem das Seine
http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/photoplog/file.php?n=236&w=o
The photo above was taken from inside the gatehouse at the Buchenwald concentration camp, looking out at the administration building outside the camp; the sign on the gate can only be read from the inside. In English, it means "To Each his Own," or "Everyone gets what he deserves.

(Picture posted under the "fair use" clause of U.S. copyright laws. All rights respected.)

This photograph and other "interesting snapshots" may be viewed with commentary at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/buchenwald/JedemDasSeine.html

As for the church...it is NONE of you money, NONE of your time, and therefore, really NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

Lest we forget the lessons of the past!

-Oki Alumni:old:

You may think something is none of bones's business, but you are wrong, OkiALumni. EVERYTHING is bones's business, and I'll tell you why. When bones accused me of being part of the rabid right, I wanted to tear into him, but my response was refrained. I've been called many things through the years, due to my passionate and strongly held convictions, but I was convulsed with laughter to be for the 1ST time ever accused of being on the right.

It was then that I realized that bones had a really unique take on things. He has mastered a way of standing on his head the majority of his waking hours, which allows him to exist in a bizarro world in which up is down and right is left, and it is this unique perspective he wishes to share with others.

SO truth be told, EVERYTHING is bones's business because NOBODY else can comprehend this up is down, right is left world of bones. It's kinda' like bones KNOWS his elbow is really his a*s-hole, but nobody else understands.

As for history, I humbly suggest you don't go there, bones has made it VERY clear that Santayana's call to learn from history is not part of his lexicon (a Giulianian 9/11, 9/11, 9/11 excepted).

When I posted this:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

huffed and moaned, pivoted and weaved, belched and yawned, before dismissing it as a poem liable to differing interpretations and only the guilty need fear, 'nough said, who cares, and true dat.

So, perhaps it is best to let bones be bones, so that the rest of us can learn from his obstinacy, inflexibility and obduracy (this is for YOU, bones: obdurate - stubbornly persistent in wrongdoing ) and chant a collective response of:

NEVER AGAIN

Someone said bones is really a nice guy, but I've been told that attila the hun was a nice guy too, once you get to know him:rolleyes: - I think I'll pass on that.

[Oki alumni]

You are talking about things that happened a long time ago, and I've never said that those things never happened.

For a young person (I WAS one, once, believe it or not), SEVEN years can be "a long time ago". Should we just ignore those things which happened "a long time ago"??? That's the inference you give.

Those acts were committed by people who wore uniforms. At least you knew who was responsible. Not cowards hiding amongst the crowds, using innocent people in airliners to accomplish their goals, or firing a gun and then hiding within the local population by ripping your mask off.

Not ALL "Those acts were committed by people who wore uniforms". A GREAT deal of the "civilian population" either actively took part (does I.G. Farben ring any bells?), or turned blind eyes at the "problem" of 6 million people being exterminated. So...you DIDN'T always know who was responsible. Ever hear about kids being encouraged to turn in parents who weren't "loyal to the regime"? You did NOT always know who was responsible...a disgruntled neighbor, someone who could boost his worth (monetary or otherwise), by "ratting out a friend or acquaintance".

Terrorists, deserve to be treated with the same amount of human rights they extend to their victims. Which in the case that I've mentioned, equals none.

You want to equate ME to a terrorist? Not on your phucking life!!!. I'll not be accused of that mentality. The current administration DOES seem to lean in that direction though...consider the FISA, the "signing statements", the dismissal of the U.S. Constitution, the denial of the Geneva Convention, ad nausea!

You, and your buddy want to whine about that fine.:cool:

If YOU choose to RAIL (for your education: "rail against or at" VERB: To attack with harsh, often insulting language: abuse, assail, revile, vituperate.) against the truth, then my Friends and I will most SURELY "whine" (example of a GROSS MISUNDERSTATEMENT!)...LONG AND LOUD, mister!!!!!!!!!!:cursing:

-Oki Alumni:old:

[P_chan]

Well, I didn't exactly see an explosion of outrage by the Muslim community after 9/11........

We need a "smack forehead" smiley. I didn't explode in rage after 9/11 nor do I sit and boo hoo every anniversery. Guess I'm a terrorist:rolleyes:.

[Oki alumni]

We need a "smack forehead" smiley. I didn't explode in rage after 9/11 nor do I set and boo hoo every anniversery. Guess I'm a terrorist:rolleyes:.

You rang? 808

[kombu_kid]

there was a lot of fear in the general muslim community... they knew what was about to come to ahead... people like you were gonna label all muslims and condemn them and their entire religion for the acts of a few terrorists...

Good deal!.....let's look at your own words. "There was a lot of fear". "They knew what was about to come ahead." You're not addressing what I said, which is:

I didn't exactly see an explosion of outrage by the Muslim community after 9/11........

That's right. I DIDN'T. If anybody doesn't like that, too bad. Do I care if you've got some friends who WERE outraged? No. I think a lot of people were waiting for more of an overwhelming response after 9/11 from the Muslim population.......against this Islamic extremism......I didn't really ever see that materialize. Too bad, it would've gone far to help change the world's perception of their religion.

people like you were gonna label all muslims and condemn them and their entire religion for the acts of a few terrorists...

I love it!....."people like you"......why don't you show me what I labeled them as, and the words that I used to condemned them with.......or better yet, why don't you address the charge that the Quoran is filled with hate and violence?.......ya'll sure don't have any problems with slamming other religions, why're you holding back on Islam? I'm getting a kick out of the "reverence" ya'll seem to be showing for it.......and then naturally, it all goes back to "it's the U.S.'s fault". At least slam religions across the board if you're going to slam 'em at all.

Quoted by PChan:

We need a "smack forehead" smiley. I didn't explode in rage after 9/11 nor do I set and boo hoo every anniversery. Guess I'm a terrorist.

Really?.......so what WAS your reaction on 9/11?.......why are you even in the military?.........for a steady paycheck and "bennies"?

[DougP]

Many of us do outwardly oppose organized religion of all forms. Its when proponents of one denounce another that I fell like coming in and stirring shit up. Really, I'm sure we all remember some of the past threads of "religious tolerance" And how many were singing a different tune back then when it was "their" faith being questioned and insulted?

[P_chan]

Really?.......so what WAS your reaction on 9/11?.......why are you even in the military?.........for a steady paycheck and "bennies"?

My reaction was "I feel sorry for those innocent people involved". I didn't start labeling all muslims and anyone who goes against the US as a "terrorist" because anyone with half a brain would know it's not true.

Oh so we have to join the military because we love america? Or should we join to kill muslim scum?:rolleyes: It wasn't for the steady paycheck because I was working full time, making good money, and had health benefits with my previous employer. Frankly, it's really none of your damn business as to why I joined the military but I'll enlighten you anyways. I joined to experience new things to better myself as a person, to travel, and for the education benefits.

Happy now? Or are you even more pissed that I didn't join for the sole purpose of killing me some muslims? Everyone joins for a different reason and tough shit if my reasons aren't good enough for you. Get out of here with that bullshit.

[DougP]

Good deal!.....let's look at your own words. "There was a lot of fear". "They knew what was about to come ahead." You're not addressing what I said, which is:



That's right. I DIDN'T. If anybody doesn't like that, too bad. Do I care if you've got some friends who WERE outraged? No. I think a lot of people were waiting for more of an overwhelming response after 9/11 from the Muslim population.......against this Islamic extremism......I didn't really ever see that materialize. Too bad, it would've gone far to help change the world's perception of their religion.



I love it!....."people like you"......why don't you show me what I labeled them as, and the words that I used to condemned them with.......or better yet, why don't you address the charge that the Quoran is filled with hate and violence?.......ya'll sure don't have any problems with slamming other religions, why're you holding back on Islam? I'm getting a kick out of the "reverence" ya'll seem to be showing for it.......and then naturally, it all goes back to "it's the U.S.'s fault". At least slam religions across the board if you're going to slam 'em at all.

Quoted by PChan:



Really?.......so what WAS your reaction on 9/11?.......why are you even in the military?.........for a steady paycheck and "bennies"?

remember this one?

Here we go......here's the part where he slowly creeps to the assertion that parents shouldn't be able to teach their kids about God.



You know, there should be a name for the type of argument that so many people use like this.......like when a cop goes bad, the entire police force is corrupt, and the whole legal system is a farce. When a priest gets busted molesting a child, then all religious groups are secret perverted societies intent on ruling the world, forcing their doctrine upon the population.


The same could be said about any religion right..? Its not the religion just a few bad apples. :thumbup1:

[DougP]

Religion can give people many things; emotional security, clarity, inspiration, direction, feeling of belonging, or affirmation on preconceived beliefs. Some will often interpret what they read into something more fitting with their own twisted ideologies. This (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml) reminds me of such.

Bush may have been quoted saying God told him to invade Afghanistan or Iraq, Maggie may say "He's not a real Christian." But guess what, to Bush and his followers... he IS a REAL Christian and is doing the right, Christian thing.

[vvloc]

Religion can give people many things; emotional security, clarity, inspiration, direction, feeling of belonging, or affirmation on preconceived beliefs. Some will often interpret what they read into something more fitting with their own twisted ideologies. This (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml) reminds me of such.

Bush may have been quoted saying God told him to invade Afghanistan or Iraq, Maggie may say "He's not a real Christian." But guess what, to Bush and his followers... he IS a REAL Christian and is doing the right, Christian thing.

GREAT, GREAT freakin' post, DougP - the thanks button is insufficient for this one

[DougP]

GREAT, GREAT freakin' post, DougP - the thanks button is insufficient for this one

I do believe the link included in my post was one you put up a while back.. so some of that thanks is for you as well.:)

[kombu_kid]

Great. Now we're getting somewhere. And thanks to all of you for NOT being able to show where I said all Muslims are terrorists. And Doug, I still wholeheartedly stand behind that 2nd post of mine you put up.

Quote by DougP:
The same could be said about any religion right..? Its not the religion just a few bad apples.

Agreed.......I fully believe this.

Quote by PChan:
Oh so we have to join the military because we love america?

Never mind......I think you've already shown your cards.

Ya'll are great at slamming all western religions......but I've gotta take you to task for not slamming Islam. I don't get it, but whatever.

Quoted by PChan:
Or should we join to kill muslim scum?

Or are you even more pissed that I didn't join for the sole purpose of killing me some muslims?

Boy, my mouth is getting full of your stuffing it with words!!!

And all this from this post:

Well, I didn't exactly see an explosion of outrage by the Muslim community after 9/11........

[vvloc]

I see your outrage over the deaths of UNBORN children, but I see NO explosion of outrage when albright says 500,000 (born) children killed by sanctions is worth it.

Do we ONLY care about unborn children or is it only LA children born or unborn?

Where's the explosion of outrage?




Nobody cares what your mouth is full of.

[Jimmy Hoffa]

why are you even in the military?.........for a steady paycheck and "bennies"?


Actually this is the reason MOST people join the military myself included. I'd also be willing to bet that 95% join for this as the reason or primary reason.
And there is nothing wrong with it. The fact that there are those of us who have sered or who are serving now is what counts.

[P_chan]

Never mind......I think you've already shown your cards.

Ya'll are great at slamming all western religions......but I've gotta take you to task for not slamming Islam. I don't get it, but whatever.

I'm no fan of any religion. But I'm not slamming you for slamming islam. I'm slamming you because you're making generalizations based on your prejudgement of muslims.

Boy, my mouth is getting full of your stuffing it with words!!!

And all this from this post:

LOL you fail again! I didn't say you said those things. But your previous post was heavy with implications, "boy" :rolleyes:. Did you notice the question marks in what you quoted? Maybe you should be clearer with what you're trying to imply.

Next time maybe you shouldn't ASSume that just because someone doesn't explode in a fit of rage at a certain demographic because of something like 9/11 it doesn't mean they condone that action.

Great. Now we're getting somewhere. And thanks to all of you for NOT being able to show where I said all Muslims are terrorists. And Doug, I still wholeheartedly stand behind that 2nd post of mine you put up.

Like I said before, be clearer with what you're trying to imply if you don't want things taken the wrong way.

[Asshat]

I wonder what access KK has to the Muslim community where he would have heard any out pourings?

[Jimmy Hoffa]

Ya'll are great at slamming all western religions......but I've gotta take you to task for not slamming Islam. I don't get it, but whatever.


This makes no sense? What the hell is a western religion. Judaism, Christianity and Islam started in the same region of the world. The Quran is basically a revised version of the Bible. The 1st testamant of the bible is the Jewish Bible. So what is this supposed to mean.

There are arab Christians in Saudi, Iraq, Palestine so wth are you talking about? Please enlighten me.:rolleyes:

[DougP]

I see your outrage over the deaths of UNBORN children, but I see NO explosion of outrage when albright says 500,000 (born) children killed by sanctions is worth it.

Do we ONLY care about unborn children or is it only LA children born or unborn?

Where's the explosion of outrage?




Nobody cares what your mouth is full of.

Madeline sure did say "Its worth it" about the death related to the Iraqi sanctions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_sanctions)
Shortly after the sanctions were imposed, the Iraqi government developed a system of free food rations comprising of 1000 calories per person/day or 40% of the daily requirements, which an estimated 60% of the population relied on for a vital part of their sustenance

The overall literacy rate in Iraq had been 78% in 1977 and 87% for adult women by 1985, but declined rapidly since then. Between 1990 and 1998, over one fifth of Iraqi children stopped enrolling in school, consequently increasing the number of non-literates and losing all the gains made in the previous decade. The 1990s also saw a dramatic increase in child labor, from a virtually non-existent level in the 1980s. The per capita income in Iraq dropped from $3510 in 1989 to $450 in 1996, heavily influenced by the rapid devaluation of the Iraqi dinar.

There should be outrage!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2000/mar/04/weekend7.weekend9

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084).

The inference that Albright and the terrorists may have shared a common rationale--a belief that the deaths of thousands of innocents are a price worth paying to achieve one's political ends--does not seem to be one that can be made in U.S. mass media.

It's worth noting that on 60 Minutes, Albright made no attempt to deny the figure given by Stahl--a rough rendering of the preliminary estimate in a 1995 U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) report that 567,000 Iraqi children under the age of five had died as a result of the sanctions. In general, the response from government officials about the sanctions’ toll has been rather different: a barrage of equivocations, denigration of U.N. sources and implications that questioners have some ideological axe to grind

[Maggie]

Yeah, they're extremists......and you don't need any "revelation from God" to figure out that killing a baby......a baby that could most likely live outside the womb of it's mother, is murder plain and simple. But all you delusional weaklings, who still cling to that "pro-choice" mantra, are afraid of the truth. You need lies spoon-fed to you in tidy packages by others, letting you know what "the truth" is. People gladly accept murder of their own offspring and human bretheren under the PC title of "family planning".

Would have bombing the ovens with which Hitler fried the Jews be considered extremism?

I often wonder if in the future, people will look back at this as the holocaust part II.......albeit a 50 or 100 year one.

I don't think the Quoran mentions family planning, so preaching ant-abortion isn't relevant.

Pro choice is an improvement for thousands of women whether they choose to use it or not.

If men are so anti-abortion, perhaps they should keep all sex within marriage. That way there wouldn't be any need for abortions.

Many countries kill, or "get rid of female babies. Abortion is a better option than leaving a child to die slowly.

Non of which has anything to do with the Quoran

Maggie

[Maggie]

thats not being uncomfortable.. thats racism..

No it isn't, no I'm not, and I couldn't give a shit what religion the USA President, or our Prime Minister follows, but I would never feel comfortable with our leaders following a religion that calls for everyone to belong to that religion, convert or die.


[Quote]
Of the Unbelievers: Sura 4:89 “seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Sura 9:5)[Quote]

That isn't quite my idea of what's needed in a President.

My argument is that the Quoran is not a peaceful religion, NOT that Moslems are second class citizens, constantly trying to cause unrest.

Maggie

[Maggie]

My reaction was "I feel sorry for those innocent people involved". I didn't start labeling all muslims and anyone who goes against the US as a "terrorist" because anyone with half a brain would know it's not true.

Oh so we have to join the military because we love america? Or should we join to kill muslim scum?:rolleyes: It wasn't for the steady paycheck because I was working full time, making good money, and had health benefits with my previous employer. Frankly, it's really none of your damn business as to why I joined the military but I'll enlighten you anyways. I joined to experience new things to better myself as a person, to travel, and for the education benefits.

Happy now? Or are you even more pissed that I didn't join for the sole purpose of killing me some muslims? Everyone joins for a different reason and tough shit if my reasons aren't good enough for you. Get out of here with that bullshit.


Everyone joins for their own reasons.

No one I know joined just so that they could kill a load of Irish, because they didn't like them, nor do people join simply to kill people.

The Army can be a good career move, but you go where you're sent.

It's not possible to predict the future, and most of my friends who are in the army never expected to end up in Asia, and would come home in a heartbeat. But the Army is their career.

Maggie

[Bones]

As posted by P_chan:

Wait, so are we talking about terrorist or muslims? There is a difference between the two. Or are you trying to say that ALL muslims are terrorist?

Call them terrorists, call them extremists, call them whatever....

On the other hand, terrorist organizations send out their "recruiters", world wide, looking for Muslim followers to convert to extremism. Go to msnbc.com, type terrorism into the search box, and look for a thread about a plot that was almost equal to 911.

Here, I'll save you the trouble:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26726987/

Dig around the msnbc site for a little bit, and you'll find two brothers who opened up a car business, one of them flew to Afghanistan to see if he wanted to join a terrorist movement, and then backed out. He spends his money these days on young muslim youth's, to prevent them from joining such an organization.

The videos are well worth watching.

Bones

[Maggie]

you know being over in the middle east a few times... you get to meet a few people... and you know.. a lot of the iraqi, afgan, kuwaiti, citizens i talked to did show outrage about 9/11... these are a people that are passionate about their religion.. they believe the good that their religion teaches.. more than once i witness and arab of muslim faith break down in tears when the subject of 9/11 comes up... i have seen completely innocent muslims in these countries apologize for the acts of the terrorists....


i have also been shot at by insurgents but that is a different story..


We have a newsagents just up the Road. The owner is a very good friend of ours. Every year we always get him a goat for some religious festival they have (the goat is always dead first. They don't want to kill it anyway). Goat is almost impossible to buy here.

The whole family keep tabs on my mum for me, and we shop there because we like the people.

When 9/11 happened, the wife was inconsolable, and kept saying she was sorry. She didn't need to be sorry, anymore than the guys who runs the Indian restaurant up the road, who are also friends of ours, and the best Indian restaurant in the area.

Everyone was horrified, no matter what religion they were, and they were right to be horrified.

I'm well aware of the fact that Moslems are no different to us, except for a tiny minority. Some are much kinder in fact than the average guy in the street. Certainly more polite.

But I'm referring to the Quoran, not the people.

Maggie

[cellophane]

Is Obama even a practicing Muslim? There are lots of people who claim to be something but who don't necessarly follow the practice.

[vvloc]

As posted by P_chan:



Call them terrorists, call them extremists, call them whatever....

On the other hand, terrorist organizations send out their "recruiters", world wide, looking for Muslim followers to convert to extremism. Go to msnbc.com, type terrorism into the search box, and look for a thread about a plot that was almost equal to 911.

Here, I'll save you the trouble:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26726987/

Dig around the msnbc site for a little bit, and you'll find two brothers who opened up a car business, one of them flew to Afghanistan to see if he wanted to join a terrorist movement, and then backed out. He spends his money these days on young muslim youth's, to prevent them from joining such an organization.

The videos are well worth watching.

Bones

Well on his way, his head in a cloud,
The man of a thousand voices, talking perfectly loud.
But nobody ever hears him,
Or the sound he appears to make.
And he never seems to notice

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down.
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning around.

And nobody seems to like him,
They can tell what he wants to do.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=nb_ztf6CXDY


http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=KBobsMD7DBM

[vvloc]

Is Obama even a practicing Muslim? There are lots of people who claim to be something but who don't necessarly follow the practice.

He's not a Muslim:

"I've been to the same church _ the same Christian church _ for almost 20 years," Obama said, stressing the word Christian and drawing cheers from the faithful in reply. "I was sworn in with my hand on the family Bible. Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. So if you get some silly e-mail ... send it back to whoever sent it and tell them this is all crazy. Educate."

[cellophane]

He's not a Muslim:

"I've been to the same church _ the same Christian church _ for almost 20 years," Obama said, stressing the word Christian and drawing cheers from the faithful in reply. "I was sworn in with my hand on the family Bible. Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. So if you get some silly e-mail ... send it back to whoever sent it and tell them this is all crazy. Educate."

OOH yeah I forgot about that whole ordeal with his pastor. Well mayeb he will convert when he gets into office. lol I think the vicotin is kicking in. You all are making some great points. well not everybody but props for trying. It's good to be able to love and discuss. adn to think this thread was thrown in the Treches to die. Carry on and make it long. yeah but jimmy you said about the koran is a revised version of the bible.uuhhhhh no. tell him vvloc you are the smartest here.

[vvloc]

Thanks, cellophane, but I am hardly the smartest here (bones and danny are:rolleyes:)

I and OkiALumni may be the hardest working at searching for the truth.

[cellophane]

Thanks, cellophane, but I am hardly the smartest here (bones and danny are:rolleyes:)

I and OkiALumni may be the hardest working at searching for the truth.

awwwwwwe see i knew deep inside where you keep secrets you dont like to talk about at parties you like Bones. oh but you put rolls eyes so I guess you are never mind I get it now. who is danny? Otis? :mir31:

[Maggie]

Is Obama even a practicing Muslim? There are lots of people who claim to be something but who don't necessarly follow the practice.

I thought he was a Christian of whatever Domination.

Maggie

[okisteve]

I thought he was a Christian of whatever Domination.

Maggie

Whether it was a typo or not, that is pretty funny.

[Bones]

As posted by Oki alumni:

Not ALL "Those acts were committed by people who wore uniforms". A GREAT deal of the "civilian population" either actively took part (does I.G. Farben ring any bells?), or turned blind eyes at the "problem" of 6 million people being exterminated. So...you DIDN'T always know who was responsible. Ever hear about kids being encouraged to turn in parents who weren't "loyal to the regime"? You did NOT always know who was responsible...a disgruntled neighbor, someone who could boost his worth (monetary or otherwise), by "ratting out a friend or acquaintance".

Yep, that happened, and it happened not only during WWII, but all through history. It happens today in places like N. Korea, China, etc....

You want to equate ME to a terrorist? Not on your phucking life!!!. I'll not be accused of that mentality. The current administration DOES seem to lean in that direction though...consider the FISA, the "signing statements", the dismissal of the U.S. Constitution, the denial of the Geneva Convention, ad nausea!

I'm not trying to equate you with anything , Oki.

I'm just voicing my opinion. You, and your buddy, are dragging WWII into it, citing lots of examples about what happened in the past, and tying that into 911. Fine, all good by me.

You are against torture, and all for human rights. Good on you.

How about the Japanese guy who died in Afghanistan, recently. All he wanted to do is help the people over there. He was killed by extremists who did not want him there. Why? Who knows?

As far as "railing " goes. VV, is a Jew. I'm a Kraut, that killed his family.

I was born in 1955. Don't know when his family was put to death. I served in the American military, not the SS.

I post my opinions, and if they don't agree with you, I don't care. My opinions are grounded in "TODAY". Not history.

I can appreciate the historical aspects as it relates to what has happened in the past.

Today's "Trojan Horse", is an airliner.

I may say some things like "Be gone". I may call you "Sparky", I may invade some other thread where someone is talking about how to attract a ("Ho"). Spelling varies.:rolleyes:

Some people out there are saying; "Well, that happened a long time ago, it's over, let's move on."

As it relates to the "Towers", it's not over. If you've been keeping up with the news, their (they being terrorists) goals keep evolving.

Like our "Friend in Venezuela", making friends with Iran, Russian Bombers, Hezbollah, etc...

He's just trying to improve the lives of the people living in his country? I think that we buy about 150,000 barrels a day from that country, could be more.But he's threatening to cut off our supply, which would leave him with how much cash to fund his programs?:scratchchin:

Show me one instance, where we (the US) have hi-jacked an airliner, and slammed it into a building, without regard to human life. Not the same thing as using intelligence, to blow your opponent off of the face of this planet.

Show me one instance, where we did not act on "humint", blew the building up, and the other side tried to turn those deaths into propaganda, for their own purposes, due to the fact that it was disinformation.

You can't.

Show me one instance, within the past few weeks, where I have stooped so low, as to say that I'm glad that vv's family was wiped off the face of this earth. Show me one instance, where I have said that you, or your buddy should take cyanide. Show me one instance, where I have implied that you do not know what you are talking about, where I have resorted to calling you names, or whatever........

You can't.

Show me one instance, where I accused you of killing my family, that I hate your guts for it, because they were Germans.

You can't.

You can convict me of saying that terrorists deserve no more rights, than what they afford their victims. And you can twist that any way that you choose.

VV, claims that German soldiers were cowards. Hmm, how many countries did it take to defeat our "small" country? Took our scientist to put you on the moon. Not saying that we didn't have our fair share of bad actors. A young corporal, with twisted ideas, who was gassed himself during the first world war. Great speaking abilities, who united a nation, lot's of people wanting to bask in fame for whatever reason.

They didn't last long after the war. Most of them were executed, some are still on the run. Read the news, people are still being hunted down by the Jews. Some from "our" allied nations. Not my problem, they did what they had to do, or at least they thought so at the time. They have to pay the price.

Back in the "Old Days", countries declared war on each other. People knew what to expect, people helped their own kind via rumors, etc.... People on both side of the fence.

There were sirens, people ran for air raid shelters, some innocent people were killed. Other people, the locals of a particular country, received warnings of what was about to happen, preparing them to seek shelter. Some chose not to leave, since things could not possibly get that bad. They didn't leave, things got that bad, and a heck of a lot of people died.

911, people went to wok at the World trade Center. People boarded airplanes to visit families. People went to work at the Pentagon. People died in a field in Pennsylvania. Just a normal day at work, there was no warning.

Oh, there was a previous bombing at the trade center, people got hurt. There was the bombing of the 'Cole", but that was in another country. People got hurt there as well, but they were military, so from that perspective, they were legal targets.

Nobody paid much attention to those attacks. Even today, people are dismissing those attacks, saying that they won't happen again. You are fooling yourselves.

The people behind those attacks are being trained by people who know our way of thinking. If their mission fails, if they get arrested, no problem. They get fed into our legal system, get sent back home, and come back to fight us another day. Not all, but some.

I don't play that game. If they end up in our possession, there is a reason for it.

Shoot them on the spot, don't waste my tax dollars.

And please don't waste your time on a rebuttal. You, and your buddy feel the same way about about what happened in WWII, in regards to my relatives.

Also would like for you to take careful note of a few things:

I've addressed my response to you directly. I have not called you any names, nor have I tried to ridicule your post.

Can't say the same thing for you, or your buddy on certain issues regarding my posts.

Sometimes I post silly things just to piss people off. This is not one of those times. And while sometimes my postings may make it seem like I'm "running away", it's only due to time constraints. I'm not going to sit behind my computer all day, or night, just waiting for your response.

I'll eventually reply, or not.:rolleyes:

Bones

[kombu_kid]

Prochoice is better than growing up as an unwanted kid ik:thumbdown:

So, death to the unwanted is what you condone?.......or just death to growing up unwanted? If you're "unwanted", that's a situation that's not really within your control, now is it? Orphans, the elderly, millions of hungry people in the 3rd world......could be considered "unwanted". I think the Jews in Germany were "unwanted".......what's the difference?

I would've thought VV would see this connection, but I guess he's got his filter on.

I see your outrage over the deaths of UNBORN children, but I see NO explosion of outrage when albright says 500,000 (born) children killed by sanctions is worth it.

Do we ONLY care about unborn children or is it only LA children born or unborn?

Where's the explosion of outrage?

Nobody cares what your mouth is full of.

Oh I see. When someone is outraged by, let's say, the holocaust......yet they don't mention or show any outrage over, genocide in Africa.......that means they only care about Jews and everything Jewish and they could care less about anything that's going on anywhere else in the world. You see, when I'm outraged by abortion, which is murder......I've also got to mention my outrage over every single other act of wrongful taking of life in every corner of the world, otherwise.....I'm a hypocrite. BRAVO!!!

Nobody cares what your mouth is full of.

Self-appointed spokesman of JU members now?

[Oki alumni]

So, death to the unwanted is what you condone?.......or just death to growing up unwanted? If you're "unwanted", that's a situation that's not really within your control, now is it? Orphans, the elderly, millions of hungry people in the 3rd world......could be considered "unwanted". I think the Jews in Germany were "unwanted".......what's the difference?

I would've thought VV would see this connection, but I guess he's got his filter on.



Oh I see. When someone is outraged by, let's say, the holocaust......yet they don't mention or show any outrage over, genocide in Africa.......that means they only care about Jews and everything Jewish and they could care less about anything that's going on anywhere else in the world. You see, when I'm outraged by abortion, which is murder......I've also got to mention my outrage over every single other act of wrongful taking of life in every corner of the world, otherwise.....I'm a hypocrite. BRAVO!!!



Self-appointed spokesman of JU members now?

Junior-flip, if you knew what you were talking about, you'd be irritating. I'm not going to try to change your "mind"...contrarians have existed in every age and in every race. I'm not asking that you "think like me"...but it WOULD be nice if you'd JUST THINK!

Your third paragraph is a vivid display of your convoluted thinking. The Darwin theory seems to be slowly working even in cases such as yours however. Stay OUT of the gene pool, there are enough other polluters without adding the likes of YOU.

-Oki Alumni:old:

[kombu_kid]

Another weak post totally unrelated to what's being discussed........continue, please......you're almost a full-fledged VV disciple.......and await your "back-slapping buddy" and his thanks button.

BTW, was I even talking to you?

[vvloc]

As posted by Oki alumni:



Yep, that happened, and it happened not only during WWII, but all through history. It happens today in places like N. Korea, China, etc....



I'm not trying to equate you with anything , Oki.

I'm just voicing my opinion. You, and your buddy, are dragging WWII into it, citing lots of examples about what happened in the past, and tying that into 911. Fine, all good by me.

You are against torture, and all for human rights. Good on you.

How about the Japanese guy who died in Afghanistan, recently. All he wanted to do is help the people over there. He was killed by extremists who did not want him there. Why? Who knows?

As far as "railing " goes. VV, is a Jew. I'm a Kraut, that killed his family.

I was born in 1955. Don't know when his family was put to death. I served in the American military, not the SS.

I post my opinions, and if they don't agree with you, I don't care. My opinions are grounded in "TODAY". Not history.

I can appreciate the historical aspects as it relates to what has happened in the past.

Today's "Trojan Horse", is an airliner.

I may say some things like "Be gone". I may call you "Sparky", I may invade some other thread where someone is talking about how to attract a ("Ho"). Spelling varies.:rolleyes:

Some people out there are saying; "Well, that happened a long time ago, it's over, let's move on."

As it relates to the "Towers", it's not over. If you've been keeping up with the news, their (they being terrorists) goals keep evolving.

Like our "Friend in Venezuela", making friends with Iran, Russian Bombers, Hezbollah, etc...

He's just trying to improve the lives of the people living in his country? I think that we buy about 150,000 barrels a day from that country, could be more.But he's threatening to cut off our supply, which would leave him with how much cash to fund his programs?:scratchchin:

Show me one instance, where we (the US) have hi-jacked an airliner, and slammed it into a building, without regard to human life. Not the same thing as using intelligence, to blow your opponent off of the face of this planet.

Show me one instance, where we did not act on "humint", blew the building up, and the other side tried to turn those deaths into propaganda, for their own purposes, due to the fact that it was disinformation.

You can't.

Show me one instance, within the past few weeks, where I have stooped so low, as to say that I'm glad that vv's family was wiped off the face of this earth. Show me one instance, where I have said that you, or your buddy should take cyanide. Show me one instance, where I have implied that you do not know what you are talking about, where I have resorted to calling you names, or whatever........

You can't.

Show me one instance, where I accused you of killing my family, that I hate your guts for it, because they were Germans.

You can't.

You can convict me of saying that terrorists deserve no more rights, than what they afford their victims. And you can twist that any way that you choose.

VV, claims that German soldiers were cowards. Hmm, how many countries did it take to defeat our "small" country? Took our scientist to put you on the moon. Not saying that we didn't have our fair share of bad actors. A young corporal, with twisted ideas, who was gassed himself during the first world war. Great speaking abilities, who united a nation, lot's of people wanting to bask in fame for whatever reason.

They didn't last long after the war. Most of them were executed, some are still on the run. Read the news, people are still being hunted down by the Jews. Some from "our" allied nations. Not my problem, they did what they had to do, or at least they thought so at the time. They have to pay the price.

Back in the "Old Days", countries declared war on each other. People knew what to expect, people helped their own kind via rumors, etc.... People on both side of the fence.

There were sirens, people ran for air raid shelters, some innocent people were killed. Other people, the locals of a particular country, received warnings of what was about to happen, preparing them to seek shelter. Some chose not to leave, since things could not possibly get that bad. They didn't leave, things got that bad, and a heck of a lot of people died.

911, people went to wok at the World trade Center. People boarded airplanes to visit families. People went to work at the Pentagon. People died in a field in Pennsylvania. Just a normal day at work, there was no warning.

Oh, there was a previous bombing at the trade center, people got hurt. There was the bombing of the 'Cole", but that was in another country. People got hurt there as well, but they were military, so from that perspective, they were legal targets.

Nobody paid much attention to those attacks. Even today, people are dismissing those attacks, saying that they won't happen again. You are fooling yourselves.

The people behind those attacks are being trained by people who know our way of thinking. If their mission fails, if they get arrested, no problem. They get fed into our legal system, get sent back home, and come back to fight us another day. Not all, but some.

I don't play that game. If they end up in our possession, there is a reason for it.

Shoot them on the spot, don't waste my tax dollars.

And please don't waste your time on a rebuttal. You, and your buddy feel the same way about about what happened in WWII, in regards to my relatives.

Also would like for you to take careful note of a few things:

I've addressed my response to you directly. I have not called you any names, nor have I tried to ridicule your post.

Can't say the same thing for you, or your buddy on certain issues regarding my posts.

Sometimes I post silly things just to piss people off. This is not one of those times. And while sometimes my postings may make it seem like I'm "running away", it's only due to time constraints. I'm not going to sit behind my computer all day, or night, just waiting for your response.

I'll eventually reply, or not.:rolleyes:

Bones

ANYBODY who chooses to believe poor bones's self-serving braying on this matter is free to do so. As usual, bones is trying to re-write history to serve his own selfish agenda. The pattern is a familiar one. Bones exposes the true dark underbelly of the world within which he loves, a world that is totally his self-creation, and then tries to weasel out of it, by talking about a hundred TOTALLY off the wall unrelated topics in an effort to gain sympathy.

This is no different than the pap he tries to pass off as the reasons for his constant efforts to find the lowest possible road in any conversation of substance - I was forced to run away from the american bullies in tears when I was 5 years old because my germanic tongue sounded different.

SUCK IT UP and GROW UP, bones.

Your constant whining and desires to draw others into the twisted upside world which is your home is tedious, tiresome, and downright sickening.

The truth in this particular manner is that bones enterred the gutter early in page two of the thread with a totally unwarranted and unconscionable attack on Aby Aof. Yes, Aby Aof is a proselytizer, but he sure as heck is better mannered than the numerous christian wackos who have been tolerated here (or not). Bones, with his typical nasty swagger comes in here with his ambivalent "yawn" and accuses Aby Aof of the nastiness that resides solely within bones's withered bones:

Aby Aof:
"for what...
and i think that u can Indispensable him.....that's not a god !!!!
the real god is whos made us not why made him ...
the real god can Indispensable us"

and bones responds in personal accusations that have no basis in reality (and now that others have chosen to call him out on this BS with which many are so familiar, he's gonna play the victim card, which he's really good at:rolleyes:, as he's pulled this trick repeatedly):

"Yawn!!!!!

All of your diatribes are useless.

You extend friendship to anyone outside of your beliefs, as they suit you.

Your kindness, is only related to those who believe in your faith, or those born of your race.

Once their usefulness no longer has an effect beneficial to you, they are slaughtered, or sold into slavery.

It's been that way for ages, for battles you draw upon those ignorant enough to believe, so that your own people will not be sacrificed.

You believe yourselves to be the "Chosen" people. Much as Christians do.

Words of kindness, digress to words of wisdom from the pulpit."

a. a four sentence post by Aby Aof is hardly a diatribe
b. where did bones get the all-mighty power to be able to have a clue as to
Aby Aof's concepts of friendship and kindness
c. what is this crap about "once their usefulness . . . slaughtered, sold into
slavery
d. since when is it christianity as the "Chosen" people
e. "Words of kindness, digress to words of wisdom from the pulpit." What
the hell does this even mean?

Anyone who wishes to weep for poor misunderstood bones is welcome to - I, certainly will not. This repetitive, nasty, narrow-minded, empty headedness is the stuff of the hundreds of little lies which I accused and accuse bones of trying to pass off here "day after day after day," and if any choose to sympathize, they are welcome to.

As for me, this emperor continues to have no clothes on, and naked, his ugly bigotry, racism, and intolerance are clear to anyone (with eyes) who wishes to see beyond bones's subterfuge.

I'll eventually reply, or not.:rolleyes:

Spare us the reply - we've heard it dozens of times before - it will not change the sad reality of who you really are.

[Oki alumni]

Another weak post totally unrelated to what's being discussed........continue, please......you're almost a full-fledged VV disciple.......and await your "back-slapping buddy" and his thanks button.

BTW, was I even talking to you?

I KNOW your post was weak. Don't make yourself appear even MORE mentally challenged than you actually are! I believe birth controll was/is being partially discussed, and YOU present as a PRIME example of an EXCELLENT reason for birth control. Thanks for making the case. Your "thinking"/"logic" is so convoluted and twisted it probably doesn't even make sense to YOU. How can you expect anyone else to bother with your "opinions"?

Talking? You've progressed that far? Mosquito's with their annoying buzzing, are irritating, and I'll swat 'em whether they're trying to bite me or someone else.

Haven't seen YOUR little buddy, darling danny around lately. You two busy changing each other's nappies?

Get a life, jeep! Try living it, and maybe you'll possibly gain some intelligence along the way.

-Oki Alumni:old: (Have a nice day, KK...all you're missing is the THIRD "K"! Your pointy head is exposed to the public.)

[Maggie]

Whether it was a typo or not, that is pretty funny.

It's a typo:scared:

Maggie

[Maggie]

So, death to the unwanted is what you condone?.......or just death to growing up unwanted? If you're "unwanted", that's a situation that's not really within your control, now is it? Orphans, the elderly, millions of hungry people in the 3rd world......could be considered "unwanted". I think the Jews in Germany were "unwanted".......what's the difference?

I would've thought VV would see this connection, but I guess he's got his filter on.



Oh I see. When someone is outraged by, let's say, the holocaust......yet they don't mention or show any outrage over, genocide in Africa.......that means they only care about Jews and everything Jewish and they could care less about anything that's going on anywhere else in the world. You see, when I'm outraged by abortion, which is murder......I've also got to mention my outrage over every single other act of wrongful taking of life in every corner of the world, otherwise.....I'm a hypocrite. BRAVO!!!



Self-appointed spokesman of JU members now?


I certainly hope so.

It's a long time since I heard such narrow minded, bigoted views. Keep your pants firmly on, and combat abortion..............oh, I forgot. It's only women who have to use birth control.

And who put you in charge of mine and hundreds of women's lives. No one. You've made yourself Self-appointed spokesman against pro choice.

Well done. Shiny. Have a beer on me



Maggie

[Maggie]

I KNOW your post was weak. Don't make yourself appear even MORE mentally challenged than you actually are! I believe birth controll was/is being partially discussed, and YOU present as a PRIME example of an EXCELLENT reason for birth control. Thanks for making the case. Your "thinking"/"logic" is so convoluted and twisted it probably doesn't even make sense to YOU. How can you expect anyone else to bother with your "opinions"?

Talking? You've progressed that far? Mosquito's with their annoying buzzing, are irritating, and I'll swat 'em whether they're trying to bite me or someone else.

Haven't seen YOUR little buddy, darling danny around lately. You two busy changing each other's nappies?

Get a life, jeep! Try living it, and maybe you'll possibly gain some intelligence along the way.

-Oki Alumni:old: (Have a nice day, KK...all you're missing is the THIRD "K"! Your pointy head is exposed to the public.)



Remember. You talking to a fanatical extremist. Similar to the type of extremist who blows up abortion clinics.


Maggie

[Maggie]

maggie... i will put it like this.. most religious texts have portions with dire and extreme words... our bible does.. the quoran does...

but.. the quoran has pretty much the same amount of good stuff in it that the bible does....

you can not judge a book of such magnitude by a few passages that raise the eyebrows... if you were to do that then you are calling into the question the validity of the bible.. and before you say it i dont care whether its old or new testament.. its in the bible... so since those kinds of things are in the bible then would you not feel comfortable with a christian or a jew in charge of a country..... that is strictly following your logic.. the pot should not be calling the kettle black

The Bible may be under one cover, but it is now two separate religions. Say as many times as you like that it's just one book, and you'll still be wrong. Christians come under the New Testament. Without Christ, there wouldn't be any Christians.

The New testament never at any point asks for deaths. The Quoran does, and it isn't just a few passages either.

I'd be happy with any Leader who cared about his fellow men and not their religious beliefs. It's not the pot calling the kettle black, it's you disagreeing with me.

You're welcome to your opinion, but it doesn't automatically make you right, any more than mine does me. But I have the right to voice my opinion which may or may not be pleasing to you, and I reserve that right, no matter what you may or may not think.


Maggie

[Maggie]

and to be honest i would suggest you just leave that topic alone.. you obviously know next to nothing about islam.... you are making yourself look even dumber than you normally do

Is that right.

You have no idea what I do or don't know. I do know that you almost always look dumb, and I'd have a lot of catching up to do, to reach you in the Dumb stakes.

Or do you so HATE anyone who disagrees with you, that you need to resort to sarcasm......which is the lowest form of wit, so why I'm surprised I don't know

Also as an afterthought, I wont be loosing any sleep over your opinion of me. After all it's meaningless, and I couldn't give two shits what you think of me.



Maggie

[okisteve]

maggie maggie maggie...

the bible is the bible.. the quoran is the quoran...

to be fair.. there are more than 2 religions based on the bible.. JEHOVAHS WITNESSES anyone... duh..

my point is this.. you are claiming the quoran is a book of violence and hate.. it is fact that it is no more vilent and hateful than the bible.. PERIOD

Maybe we should back off from what these books SAY and what their followers actually DO?

When Muslims ruled Arabia and half of Europe there was a long period of tolerance and great learning that included Christians and especially Jews. OK, they had to pay higher taxes, big deal.

On the other hand, the Christian crusaders launched successive invasions of the Holy Land there was wholesale killing and pillaging, basically imposing the medieval culture and poverty of Europe onto a fairly civilized Oriental culture.

The Muslim caliphates that remained after the Reconquest eventually became decadent, corrupt, and weak, a situation not unlike that which is now unfolding in the West. We need to learn some history, because the worm always turns.

[Jimmy Hoffa]

So, death to the unwanted is what you condone?.......or just death to growing up unwanted? If you're "unwanted", that's a situation that's not really within your control, now is it? Orphans, the elderly, millions of hungry people in the 3rd world......could be considered "unwanted". I think the Jews in Germany were "unwanted".......what's the difference?

I would've thought VV would see this connection, but I guess he's got his filter on.



Oh I see. When someone is outraged by, let's say, the holocaust......yet they don't mention or show any outrage over, genocide in Africa.......that means they only care about Jews and everything Jewish and they could care less about anything that's going on anywhere else in the world. You see, when I'm outraged by abortion, which is murder......I've also got to mention my outrage over every single other act of wrongful taking of life in every corner of the world, otherwise.....I'm a hypocrite. BRAVO!!!



Self-appointed spokesman of JU members now?


Well if the government makes abortion illegal than the government can pay to raise that child for 18 years.

Put it this way is a man wears a condom and the woman take birth control correctely and she still ends up pregnant than why should they have to have that child that they did everything to prevent.

Let me me clear I don't like abortion, in fact I HATE but I see it as a necesarry evil. I am ProLIFE for MY familiy but for the reast od the world I am PRO-CHOICE no government has the right to make this choice for us.

The answer to end abortion is NOT laws against it. Education, make it esier to adopt kids, change the culture. You don't just make laws against.

I think euthansia should also be leagal but thats another topic.

Tell me a good reason besides religion why it should'nt be legal?

[cellophane]

So, death to the unwanted is what you condone?.......or just death to growing up unwanted? If you're "unwanted", that's a situation that's not really within your control, now is it? Orphans, the elderly, millions of hungry people in the 3rd world......could be considered "unwanted". I think the Jews in Germany were "unwanted".......what's the difference?

I would've thought VV would see this connection, but I guess he's got his filter on.



Oh I see. When someone is outraged by, let's say, the holocaust......yet they don't mention or show any outrage over, genocide in Africa.......that means they only care about Jews and everything Jewish and they could care less about anything that's going on anywhere else in the world. You see, when I'm outraged by abortion, which is murder......I've also got to mention my outrage over every single other act of wrongful taking of life in every corner of the world, otherwise.....I'm a hypocrite. BRAVO!!!



Self-appointed spokesman of JU members now?

KK-you make some very good points IMO but maybe they will go unheard if people get the sense that you are making them in such a way as to attack the listeners. I believe in fighting fire fire but nobody here is holding a torch.I thank you for the guts to speak against what I also consider to be a very sad and oppressive way to use birth control.

[cellophane]

awwwwwwe see i knew deep inside where you keep secrets you dont like to talk about at parties you like Bones. oh but you put rolls eyes so I guess you are never mind I get it now. who is danny? Otis? :mir31:

Hey-not that anyone proabbly noticed but Bones I am sorry I typed what didn't make much sense. I wanted to edit but I guess it's too late. Last night my back was killing me so I took a valium and some other pain killer and it got me higher than a kite. I wanted to tell everybody that I love you and the keyboard felt like jelly. No wonder Rush Limbaugh got hooked on this stuff.

[okisteve]

I think euthansia should also be leagal but thats another topic.

Tell me a good reason besides religion why it should'nt be legal?

3 neighboring states:
"Assisted suicide" is legal in Oregon.
California has very liberal laws concerning medical uses of marijuana (supposedly for terminal cancer patients).
Prostitution is legal in parts of Nevada.

Why would anyone want to live out their days on the East Coast? (Except for Massachusetts which has good socialized medicine).

[Maggie]

well.. let me see.. you have been a member for months longer than me... have 100+ more posts than me... and you have about 200 less thanks than me...

i think that is a pretty good indicator of how useful most of the garbage you post here is...

if someone disagrees with me.. no harm no foul... i have nothing wrong with opposing points of view.. but when someone is spreading false information and accusing one religion of being a hate based religion i take issue with that... especially when they refuse to accept the fact that the bible is the bible.. what is in it is what is in it.. period...

sleep well.. after all you have to live with yourself not me.... THANK GOD

You could try sticking to the truth, then maybe you'd be able to speak with some authority, but sadly, you and this post are the same as most of yours. Uninformed and completely prejudiced

What on earth makes you think that your garbage would cause me to loose any sleep.

Thanks for the laugh. You should stick to the miss-use of steroids. it's all you seem to understand.

Maggie

[Maggie]

Hey-not that anyone proabbly noticed but Bones I am sorry I typed what didn't make much sense. I wanted to edit but I guess it's too late. Last night my back was killing me so I took a valium and some other pain killer and it got me higher than a kite. I wanted to tell everybody that I love you and the keyboard felt like jelly. No wonder Rush Limbaugh got hooked on this stuff.

You had a good night then :D

Maggie

[Maggie]

Maybe we should back off from what these books SAY and what their followers actually DO?

When Muslims ruled Arabia and half of Europe there was a long period of tolerance and great learning that included Christians and especially Jews. OK, they had to pay higher taxes, big deal.

On the other hand, the Christian crusaders launched successive invasions of the Holy Land there was wholesale killing and pillaging, basically imposing the medieval culture and poverty of Europe onto a fairly civilized Oriental culture.

The Muslim caliphates that remained after the Reconquest eventually became decadent, corrupt, and weak, a situation not unlike that which is now unfolding in the West. We need to learn some history, because the worm always turns.

I agree with you.

There have been terrible things done in the name of religion, and 99% of people of all religions would have nothing to do with any of it.

I think there is more tolerance now, because it's not so easy to persuade people that their God wants them to take part in wholesale slaughter.

The Crusades were an abomination. They never had any right to try and force their religion on any other population, and their behaviour was never that of Christians.

You'd think we'd have learned, and the majority of people have, provided they don't have a leader capable of brain washing fanatical minorities into doing their bidding.

I doubt if any so called religious war ever had as much to do with religion as it had to do with power.

Maggie

[Maggie]

So, death to the unwanted is what you condone?.......or just death to growing up unwanted? If you're "unwanted", that's a situation that's not really within your control, now is it? Orphans, the elderly, millions of hungry people in the 3rd world......could be considered "unwanted". I think the Jews in Germany were "unwanted".......what's the difference?

I would've thought VV would see this connection, but I guess he's got his filter on.



Oh I see. When someone is outraged by, let's say, the holocaust......yet they don't mention or show any outrage over, genocide in Africa.......that means they only care about Jews and everything Jewish and they could care less about anything that's going on anywhere else in the world. You see, when I'm outraged by abortion, which is murder......I've also got to mention my outrage over every single other act of wrongful taking of life in every corner of the world, otherwise.....I'm a hypocrite. BRAVO!!!



Self-appointed spokesman of JU members now?

That was a huge jump from the death of unborn children to the Holocaust, none of which made sense.

You've insulted the Jews, because they don't care about genocide in other countries. Where did that come from? Thousands of Jews were children, and a child is just a child, no matter what it's race or religion.

Thousands upon thousands of children die every day, because of lack of food, medication and lack of conscience. Most of them could be saved, but it seems they aren't important enough.

You could help, but have you, or do you intend to? Or is abortion your only concern.

Human Aid Charities are crying out for people to help

Maggie

[Maggie]

Hi aby aof

I would like to know a lot more about your religion, because I'm sure I've made some prejudiced mistakes.

I'd be grateful for more information, so that I can better understand. Could you PM me please

I'll also post this on the forum, and in The Trenches, because that's where I made my mistakes.

Publicly.

Maggie

[Bones]

Yeah, I expected this much from you. And I was looking forward to it.

By vv:

ANYBODY who chooses to believe poor bones's self-serving braying on this matter is free to do so. As usual, bones is trying to re-write history to serve his own selfish agenda. The pattern is a familiar one. Bones exposes the true dark underbelly of the world within which he loves, a world that is totally his self-creation, and then tries to weasel out of it, by talking about a hundred TOTALLY off the wall unrelated topics in an effort to gain sympathy.

By "within he loves", I'll take that to mean "lives". Also, when asking people to help me out, I was asking for support for you, to condemn me for the things that you keep accusing me of. Not to poke fun at spelling errors.:rolleyes:

Also, you can not show me one incident, where I have denied that things that you are worrying about, never happened. Neither can Abo Aof, with his "friendly" religion. Just pick up a History book.

Unrelated topics, my reply was aimed at Oki. But if you dig into some of my "unrelated topics", you'll find them to be true as well. You just haven't read about them. You are too busy trying to bring everyone down to your level of thinking.

"Constant whining..."

The only person doing any "whining", is you.

That's actually a good thing, when viewed from other members perspectives.

"Personal Attacks"?

Take a look at most of the people who you do not agree with. And then look us in the face, and tell us us that you have never attacked anyone personally. People like Maggie, the guy in the shorts, maybe Daniel Wagner, or anyone else who does not agree with you, feel attacked by your "Smart" answers. Anyone at all, who you disagree with, you have personally attacked.

I especially liked one response from you, where you asking me why I was critical of you, for something that you hadn't written.

It's not the the things that you had "not written" about. I was being critical of the things that you did write.

"Self serving".

You're doing your fair share of that yourself.:rolleyes:

[vvloc]

Yeah, I expected this much from you. And I was looking forward to it.

By vv:



By "within he loves", I'll take that to mean "lives". Also, when asking people to help me out, I was asking for support for you, to condemn me for the things that you keep accusing me of. Not to poke fun at spelling errors.:rolleyes:

Also, you can not show me one incident, where I have denied that things that you are worrying about, never happened. Neither can Abo Aof, with his "friendly" religion. Just pick up a History book.

Unrelated topics, my reply was aimed at Oki. But if you dig into some of my "unrelated topics", you'll find them to be true as well. You just haven't read about them. You are too busy trying to bring everyone down to your level of thinking.

"Constant whining..."

The only person doing any "whining", is you.

That's actually a good thing, when viewed from other members perspectives.

"Personal Attacks"?

Take a look at most of the people who you do not agree with. And then look us in the face, and tell us us that you have never attacked anyone personally. People like Maggie, the guy in the shorts, maybe Daniel Wagner, or anyone else who does not agree with you, feel attacked by your "Smart" answers. Anyone at all, who you disagree with, you have personally attacked.

I especially liked one response from you, where you asking me why I was critical of you, for something that you hadn't written.

It's not the the things that you had "not written" about. I was being critical of the things that you did write.

"Self serving".

You're doing your fair share of that yourself.:rolleyes:

Hardly worth the time it would take to respond,

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=150485&postcount=652

however, the comments in this post which I boldened, certainly made me think of your bogus only the guilty need fear anything, comments.

[Maggie]

[QUOTE=Bones;150501]Yeah, I expected this much from you. And I was looking forward to it. [Quote]


Was that directed at me?

Maggie

[vvloc]

[QUOTE=Bones;150501]Yeah, I expected this much from you. And I was looking forward to it. [Quote]


Was that directed at me?

Maggie

No, Maggie, bones is just trying to justify ANOTHER of his unjustifiable points.

He REALLY believes he can take chicken liver and chicken sh*t and turn it into pate.

[vvloc]

Aside from being the master of cowardly statements that he never bothers to answer for here:

predicted how the wars would turn out.
suicide bombing started in '79 with the overthrow of the Shah.
Only the guilty need fear, yet Maj Gen. Karpinkski says 90% of those under her jurisdiction were innocent.
Oh, yeah. let's not forget that bones is the only one to ever accuse me of being a rabid rightist.

and on and on and on;

I was privileged in the old boards to see bones allege that mobile weather vans in Iraq were biological weapons breeders (and hidden weapons caches existed in the dessert, etc. etc.), and to those who disgreed, he would bully, threaten with habu bites, and even try to set up appointments to fight people.

This innocent tearful game is NOT new with bones; it's just gotten drearier, more desperate, and more despicable.



AND he's gone with the wind AGAIN to try and figure out how to weasel out of his own words!

[Bones]

As posted by Jimmy Hoffa:

Well if the government makes abortion illegal than the government can pay to raise that child for 18 years.

Put it this way is a man wears a condom and the woman take birth control correctely and she still ends up pregnant than why should they have to have that child that they did everything to prevent.

Don't make the government pay for your mistake. Live up to your responsibilities.

Your argument falls on deaf ears, if only for the fact that it takes two people to get pregnant. If you did everything correctly as you've claimed, and you obviously haven't read the warnings in regards to birth control devices, why should it fall on the government to pay to raise the child?:scratchchin:

You have "NOT" done everything that you could possibly do to prevent an unwanted birth. If you had, your partner would not be with child. You had SEX.

And by wanting to make your mistake to go away by abortion, just shows how selfish you are, and how little respect you have for the gift of life.:army:

[Oki alumni]

That was a huge jump from the death of unborn children to the Holocaust, none of which made sense.

You've insulted the Jews, because they don't care about genocide in other countries. Where did that come from? Thousands of Jews were children, and a child is just a child, no matter what it's race or religion.

Thousands upon thousands of children die every day, because of lack of food, medication and lack of conscience. Most of them could be saved, but it seems they aren't important enough.

You could help, but have you, or do you intend to? Or is abortion your only concern.

Human Aid Charities are crying out for people to help

Maggie

B R A V O ! ! !, Maggie!!!

[Maggie]

[

[QUOTE=Maggie;150505][QUOTE=Bones;150501]Yeah, I expected this much from you. And I was looking forward to it.

No, Maggie, bones is just trying to justify ANOTHER of his unjustifiable points.

He REALLY believes he can take chicken liver and chicken sh*t and turn it into pate.

Ahh. OK, thanks.

Maggie

[Jimmy Hoffa]

As posted by Jimmy Hoffa:



Don't make the government pay for your mistake. Live up to your responsibilities.

Your argument falls on deaf ears, if only for the fact that it takes two people to get pregnant. If you did everything correctly as you've claimed, and you obviously haven't read the warnings in regards to birth control devices, why should it fall on the government to pay to raise the child?:scratchchin:

You have "NOT" done everything that you could possibly do to prevent an unwanted birth. If you had, your partner would not be with child. You had SEX.

And by wanting to make your mistake to go away by abortion, just shows how selfish you are, and how little respect you have for the gift of life.:army:

btw I am ProLIFE for MYSELF and MY family. But politically and for everyone else I am proCHOICE. I support the right to choose. If ppl don't like it they can kiss my ass.

[Maggie]

B R A V O ! ! !, Maggie!!!


Thanks Oki

It really pisses me off, that someone so concerned with saving lives, and who would probably stand outside an abortion clinic with a placard, balks at the idea of any direct, hands on help.

Others can do the dirty work, it's much easier to preach theory.

No I don't go out there myself, for many reasons, mostly health, but I make it possible for my husband to leave here with sometimes only one days notice, and do his bit to help.

Yes, he gets paid, but he and his team weren't paid for helping to re-build an orphanage in Bosnia, I think. Nor were they paid to create a safe water supply for the kids.
We work with Ghurkhas, and they love children, so they were happy to do it.

All sorts of people are helping physically to try and save lives. It's a great pity that those who profess to worship the sanctity of life, almost never get off their arse.

Maggie

[Jimmy Hoffa]

As posted by Jimmy Hoffa:



Don't make the government pay for your mistake. Live up to your responsibilities.

Your argument falls on deaf ears, if only for the fact that it takes two people to get pregnant. If you did everything correctly as you've claimed, and you obviously haven't read the warnings in regards to birth control devices, why should it fall on the government to pay to raise the child?:scratchchin:

You have "NOT" done everything that you could possibly do to prevent an unwanted birth. If you had, your partner would not be with child. You had SEX.

And by wanting to make your mistake to go away by abortion, just shows how selfish you are, and how little respect you have for the gift of life.:army:

Another thing getting an abortion is taking responsibility. Think about it, you either keep the kid, abort the kid, or put it up for adoption. Either way its a choice and there fore taking responsibility.

[Maggie]

As posted by Jimmy Hoffa:



Don't make the government pay for your mistake. Live up to your responsibilities.

Your argument falls on deaf ears, if only for the fact that it takes two people to get pregnant. If you did everything correctly as you've claimed, and you obviously haven't read the warnings in regards to birth control devices, why should it fall on the government to pay to raise the child?:scratchchin:

You have "NOT" done everything that you could possibly do to prevent an unwanted birth. If you had, your partner would not be with child. You had SEX.

And by wanting to make your mistake to go away by abortion, just shows how selfish you are, and how little respect you have for the gift of life.:army:


I took every possible precaution open to me NOT to become pregnant, but even then I did. No method is perfect, and mistakes can and do happen.

I would probably at that time have welcomed a child, but I was told that I either had an abortion, or take the very real chance of never walking again,

What would your choice have been?

I chose to have an abortion, and while I'm sure there are people on this forum who don't like me, and would love to jump in and say I made the wrong decision, I don't believe I did.


Maggie

[cellophane]

OH that sucks you had to go through that Maggie. To have to choose between your life and an abortion -sorry that was something you had to go through.

[Maggie]

OH that sucks you had to go through that Maggie. To have to choose between your life and an abortion -sorry that was something you had to go through.

Thanks. It was years ago now, and I've got used to the idea of not having children....................of course, I'm a bit old now. I'd have made a dreadful mother though :old:

Maggie

[Rossi46]

I won't touch abortion at all! It has way to many emotional feelings wrapped up in it for many different people and situations. I can only say that as a man. I would give up anything for my kids, including dying for them. If my wife was pregnant and some unforeseen power told me the unborn goes or you go! I would lay down and die for that unborn without hesitation. That’s just me.

[vvloc]

Another thing getting an abortion is taking responsibility. Think about it, you either keep the kid, abort the kid, or put it up for adoption. Either way its a choice and there fore taking responsibility.

Tony, NEVER ask bones to think about anything - it's bad enough having to read his perverted posts - if he thought about then BEFORE posting they'd only be MUCH worse.

[Maggie]

I won't touch abortion at all! It has way to many emotional feelings wrapped up in it for many different people and situations. I can only say that as a man. I would give up anything for my kids, including dying for them. If my wife was pregnant and some unforeseen power told me the unborn goes or you go! I would lay down and die for that unborn without hesitation. That’s just me.

What would you do if the choice was the baby or your wife?


Maggie

[vvloc]

Yeah, I expected this much from you. And I was looking forward to it.

bones stop your lying - you expected nothing, just like you predicted NOTHING about the course of the wars, but still managed to tag along and be wrong EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

In the 5 ugly years that I've had the ignominy of listening to you lie and bluster about much; and you've shown that you think little EVER.

I know you take great pride in having become a sergeant within 22 years, but when I hear your vainglorious remtrks about those who served under you, I feel like barfing - I just don't think there is a low deep enough for anyone to ever be below you in any circumstance, but then again, "who cares?" "Yawn."

[kombu_kid]

I KNOW your post was weak. Don't make yourself appear even MORE mentally challenged than you actually are! I believe birth controll was/is being partially discussed, and YOU present as a PRIME example of an EXCELLENT reason for birth control. Thanks for making the case. Your "thinking"/"logic" is so convoluted and twisted it probably doesn't even make sense to YOU. How can you expect anyone else to bother with your "opinions"?

Talking? You've progressed that far? Mosquito's with their annoying buzzing, are irritating, and I'll swat 'em whether they're trying to bite me or someone else.

Haven't seen YOUR little buddy, darling danny around lately. You two busy changing each other's nappies?

Get a life, jeep! Try living it, and maybe you'll possibly gain some intelligence along the way.

-Oki Alumni:old: (Have a nice day, KK...all you're missing is the THIRD "K"! Your pointy head is exposed to the public.)

Could somebody loan me an electron microscope so I can try to glean some semblance of intelligence or worth out of any of your posts?.......and maybe see if you've got something left inside that empty head of yours......after the "partial brain abortion". Tell ya what......why don't you go pack another bong-load, get your Captain Crunch cereal and go watch Ren & Stimpy cartoons with that blank stare and head nodding, like your avatar, until you get the cue from your leader and master, VV to post more nonsensical drivel and stupid attacks (which I'm sure you learned from your master) at which time I'm sure he will reward you with a "thanks button" doggy biscuit.

As a matter of fact, you two have taken the "back-slappin' thanks button" to a whole new level......I'm thinking that you're either the same person, or just "real good buds"...:rolleyes:

[Oki alumni]

Could somebody loan me an electron microscope so I can try to glean some semblance of intelligence or worth out of any of your posts?.......and maybe see if you've got something left inside that empty head of yours......after the "partial brain abortion". Tell ya what......why don't you go pack another bong-load, get your Captain Crunch cereal and go watch Ren & Stimpy cartoons with that blank stare and head nodding, like your avatar, until you get the cue from your leader and master, VV to post more nonsensical drivel and stupid attacks (which I'm sure you learned from your master) at which time I'm sure he will reward you with a "thanks button" doggy biscuit.

As a matter of fact, you two have taken the "back-slappin' thanks button" to a whole new level......I'm thinking that you're either the same person, or just "real good buds"...:rolleyes:

Careful there KK, your (NON) intelligence is showing! You're a failure at sarcasm...ALSO. How much did you have to pay for your diploma.....from kindergarten?

I have a LOW tolerance for the dull, boring and semi-literate such as yourself.:cursing:

-Oki Alumni:old:

[vvloc]

Ren & Stimpy cartoons:

Hmmmm ren & stimpy? dean martin? where DID these "guys" grow up - oooops, stubbed me toe on another oxymoron.

Instead of trying to save unborn kids, there are a lot of born kids roaming around, who desperately need saving!!!

[Maggie]

Could somebody loan me an electron microscope so I can try to glean some semblance of intelligence or worth out of any of your posts?.......and maybe see if you've got something left inside that empty head of yours......after the "partial brain abortion". Tell ya what......why don't you go pack another bong-load, get your Captain Crunch cereal and go watch Ren & Stimpy cartoons with that blank stare and head nodding, like your avatar, until you get the cue from your leader and master, VV to post more nonsensical drivel and stupid attacks (which I'm sure you learned from your master) at which time I'm sure he will reward you with a "thanks button" doggy biscuit.

As a matter of fact, you two have taken the "back-slappin' thanks button" to a whole new level......I'm thinking that you're either the same person, or just "real good buds"...:rolleyes:

How bloody rude do you need to get, in order to try and sound as intelligent as the people who don't agree with you.

Apart from the bloody rude bit, you've failed so miserably that you've made yourself sound like one of the children you profess to love so much.

If you don't want people to give their opinions, why did you start this topic at all? Or did you think everyone would automatically agree with you.

If that was the reason, you would have to be seriously mistaken, which I don't think you are, If you want to start a controversial topic, don't have a tantrum if things don't go your way

Maggie

[Maggie]

Hmmmm ren & stimpy? dean martin? where DID these "guys" grow up - oooops, stubbed me toe on another oxymoron.

Instead of trying to save unborn kids, there are a lot of born kids roaming around, who desperately need saving!!!

But that would mean commitment, time, effort and hard work.

It's so much easier being the keeper of the sanctity of life, if you don't have to get off your arse, and actually take part in the real world.

Maggie

[Bones]

Just stumbled upon this Maggie:

I took every possible precaution open to me NOT to become pregnant, but even then I did. No method is perfect, and mistakes can and do happen.

I would probably at that time have welcomed a child, but I was told that I either had an abortion, or take the very real chance of never walking again,

What would your choice have been?

I chose to have an abortion, and while I'm sure there are people on this forum who don't like me, and would love to jump in and say I made the wrong decision, I don't believe I did.


Maggie

My position on the subject is clear. If the pregnancy was due to rape, or if abortion to preserve the life of the mother is warranted, then by all means abort.

Jimmy pointed out earlier that his question was a scenario that he was running past us, but it's not a scenario which involves himself. So I'm good with that as well.

What I'm against, and will always be against, is people using an abortion to run away from responsibilities. For example:

"We had sex, we created a life we don't want. Go to the clinic and get rid of it."

And Maggie, if I want to attack you personally, there will be no doubt in your mind. I would have the courtesy to inform you via a PM, before launching such an attack. Just to make sure that the attack is justified.

No bad against you, or Jimmy, but a third person keeps irritating me. I've been informed that his irrational outbursts could be due to improper medication. Be it due the fact that he ignores to use it, or he over indulges wasn't made clear.

Just rest assured that I am not attacking you, or Jimmy. I'm hopeful that the person in question will consult with his therapist, prior to continuing with his idiotic diatribes against me.

Bones

[vvloc]

Bones

"He's a real nowhere Man,
Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.

Doesn't have a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to,

He's as blind as he can be,
Just sees what he wants to see,

He's a real Nowhere Man,
Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody."

[Bones]

And it is quite apparent that the person in question, does't even know that he is sick. For example:

As posted by vvloc:

"He's a real nowhere Man,
Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.

Doesn't have a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to,

He's as blind as he can be,
Just sees what he wants to see,

He's a real Nowhere Man,
Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody."

That was your response wasn't it, vv?

Seek medical help. Please!!!!!

Bones

[vvloc]

That was your response wasn't it, vv?

No, bones - I've been off-line all day. You must have posted it:rolleyes:

[Maggie]

first of all.. i never said or impolied that you should lose sleep over me at any point...

second.. i am sticking ot the truth.. how do you have the audacity to tell me my post is one sided and uninformed...

you are the one telling other the quoran is nothing more than a book of hate and violence.. that my dear is ONE SIDED AND UNINFORMED... as well as inaccurate..

and for the last time.. in an earlier post you said you were not talking about the religion os islam or the muslim faith.. that you were talking about what was written in the book..

so how do you figure that i am wrong when i tell you there is just as much crazy shit in the bible.. violence incest and everything else... it is all in the book of the bible...

you need to be consistent.. i am far from prejudiced... what in the world did i post that is prejudiced.. i am a half white and black man.. my mother is english my father is american.. i am christian non-denominational and i understand that all religions are different and we are entitled to our own beliefs.. you are insulting and attacking a religious text you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about....

and i dont and never have used steroids.. i just happen to know quite a bit about them.. and unless i am mistaken you were the one who was a little confused about the whole subject which is weird being as though you were prescribed some for a medical condition....

but whatever.. i hope you are getting better.... heal your body then heal your soul

To a certain extent, you're right. The Old testament is pretty violent.

I don't know an awful lot about the Quoran, which is why I asked for more information.

I was brought up a Catholic, but I'm a Buddhist by choice.

Sorry I was so rude to you. I was having a particularly bad and stressful day.

Maggie:)

[Maggie]

Just stumbled upon this Maggie:





My position on the subject is clear. If the pregnancy was due to rape, or if abortion to preserve the life of the mother is warranted, then by all means abort.

Jimmy pointed out earlier that his question was a scenario that he was running past us, but it's not a scenario which involves himself. So I'm good with that as well.

What I'm against, and will always be against, is people using an abortion to run away from responsibilities. For example:

"We had sex, we created a life we don't want. Go to the clinic and get rid of it."

And Maggie, if I want to attack you personally, there will be no doubt in your mind. I would have the courtesy to inform you via a PM, before launching such an attack. Just to make sure that the attack is justified.

No bad against you, or Jimmy, but a third person keeps irritating me. I've been informed that his irrational outbursts could be due to improper medication. Be it due the fact that he ignores to use it, or he over indulges wasn't made clear.

Just rest assured that I am not attacking you, or Jimmy. I'm hopeful that the person in question will consult with his therapist, prior to continuing with his idiotic diatribes against me.

Bones


Thanks Bones. I'm very easy to confuse :)


Maggie