Curfew Rumors...

[Obe1Canole]

I've heard some buzz that this curfew is gonna be lifted for Marines next month sometime. Have you guys heard anything like that lately?

[DougP]

What curfew?:D

[uriel]

i was told it will be pretty much after this holiday. not lcpl underground, e-9 in the know underground. well, he put it out there in a public address, so, sounds legit...

[Sex Wax]

Depends on what happens this coming long weekend also. If the guys/gals stay outa the news, it could happen.

[dk]

Depends on what happens this coming long weekend also. If the guys/gals stay outa the news, it could happen.
Bet you some dumbass is going to get arrested.

[Sex Wax]

Bet you some dumbass is going to get arrested.

I'm not taking that bet....not that I dont have faith in the Military:rolleyes:. I'm just broke.

[okigal]

i was told by someone who is one of the decision makers that the subject will be discussed sometime in September.

[uriel]

here, here.

[uriel]

we'll see. hope i'm right. but i have been wrong before. it was a wednesday...

[DougP]

It'll still be business as usual in Sunabe.:D

[Sex Wax]

Bet you some dumbass is going to get arrested.

Wait....What?.....were you talking about ME ?!?!? I'm a nice guy !

[Obe1Canole]

What curfew?:D

Although I couldn't see the pic, hardy har har!

i was told it will be pretty much after this holiday. not lcpl underground, e-9 in the know underground. well, he put it out there in a public address, so, sounds legit...

Well that's interesting... The first I heard of it was my friend saying some Japanese girl from the Soba shop on base said it.. I laughed in his face. If it turns out to be true then I'll never hear the end of it.

Depends on what happens this coming long weekend also. If the guys/gals stay outa the news, it could happen.

This is true. Knock on wood....

Bet you some dumbass is going to get arrested.

I said the same thing when I heard the rumor for the 4th time. *Knocking on wood*

[DougP]

Although I couldn't see the pic, hardy har har!


Pic? what pic? :scratchchin: Maybe you meant the green smilie with the shit eating grin :D

[The One]

Yep, Everyone is talking about it around Futenma. Well at my work place anyway. But I decided to ask a E-9 and he gave me the where you hear that look? Like nobody is supposed to know about that. Hahah
So we will see what happens. But I heard the 1st while everyone is on there 96.

[macker]

I have petitioned the PtB (powers that be) to extend it until Xmas 2023. It's being considered

[Obe1Canole]

Pic? what pic? :scratchchin: Maybe you meant the green smilie with the shit eating grin :D

Hell I don't know. This computer blocks most images. I kind of feel like Lon in the movie, "Employee of the Month":

"Attractive Woman: Are you staring at my breasts?
Lon: I don't know."

[P_chan]

Where is there a soba shop on base?

[Obe1Canole]

Where is there a soba shop on base?

Kinser. Next to the bowling alley. It's ok...

[P_chan]

You said base, you mean camp!

[Obe1Canole]

You said base, you mean camp!

Ok, who says "Yeah, the soba shop on CAMP"????

[GODH8SU]

They should keep the curfew in place. It's been so peaceful lately.

[Obe1Canole]

They should keep the curfew in place. It's been so peaceful lately.

Not on base it hasn't...

[P_chan]

Ok, who says "Yeah, the soba shop on CAMP"????

Marines?:confused: Sorry, I had a marine buddy a couple years back who used to get on my case whenever I called CAMP foster a base.

[P_chan]

Not on base it hasn't...

Asking for a calm weekend night at the e club on base is like asking for a miracle:w00t:

[OtisPMerriweather]

Yeah, it's only a matter of time before one of our favorite little watering holes down there (sunabe) gets raided...surprised it hasn't happened already. Used to be only a few daring souls out there past 12, now every punk ass PFC from here to Iwakuni is hanging out like it's cool. That's why I kinda tapered off down there for the time being.

The week after me and kitty's little adventure, I saw some drunk asses take a beer mug outside, throw it and break it in the middle of the street. Guess they were too stupid to realize that there are apartments all around that place, and one call to the JPs would bring all that $hit to a screeching halt.

So yeah, if it's based on what happens or doesn't happen this weekend, then it might as well be Groundhog's Day on Okinawa, because PFC Punxsutawney is gonna stick his high-and-tight out of his little hole, see his shadow, and do something stupid that will get us six more weeks of lockdown.

I put my trust in the slow bureaucracy that is the hallmark of the Marine Corps. It's like trying to turn a Cadillac, and if this thing is truly going to be over next month, the call was probably made a long time ago.

[xXNothingnessXx]

Yep, Everyone is talking about it around Futenma. Well at my work place anyway. But I decided to ask a E-9 and he gave me the where you hear that look? Like nobody is supposed to know about that. Hahah
So we will see what happens. But I heard the 1st while everyone is on there 96.

There is going to be some official announcement, like a briefing or passed in formation...not a "hey while you're on liberty here is the news." Everyone keeps talking about " i talked to E-9's" blah blah. Was it a SgtMaj or MGySgt? When you say "I talked to Col so-and-so or Gen Whatshisface" I might start believing.



But yeah I heard it too.:)

[P_chan]

Dk's mom told me that marines are on permanent lock down because they "rack a discipline"!

[Obe1Canole]

Dk's mom told me that marines are on permanent lock down because they "rack a discipline"!

Rearry?! :scared:

[Sex Wax]

http://www.clubfuji.com/Ash/angry%20asian.jpg

[DoctorP]

so what was the "safety standown" for this afternoon? Anyone?

[dk]

Dk's mom told me that marines are on permanent lock down because they "rack a discipline"!
Dude! I told you that!!!

[DougP]

Otis knows what's up.:first: There ain't no curfew in Sunabe. Figured everybody was aware of that one by now.:D

[uriel]

so what was the "safety standown" for this afternoon? Anyone?

no standdown. the commandant wanted all the commanders to get their marines together to impress upon us that we souldn't act like asses and to not rack a disaprine. the stand downs will be thursday and friday.

[Ammoyankee]

no standdown. the commandant wanted all the commanders to get their marines together to impress upon us that we souldn't act like asses and to not rack a disaprine. the stand downs will be thursday and friday.

Yeah, I am sure that'll work...

[xXNothingnessXx]

so what was the "safety standown" for this afternoon? Anyone?

It's for the holiday...pretty much holiday safety stuff...wear your seatbelt, don't drink and drive, have a plan, have a buddy....blahblah

[The One]

There is going to be some official announcement, like a briefing or passed in formation...not a "hey while you're on liberty here is the news." Everyone keeps talking about " i talked to E-9's" blah blah. Was it a SgtMaj or MGySgt? When you say "I talked to Col so-and-so or Gen Whatshisface" I might start believing.



But yeah I heard it too.:)

Really you don't have to believe. I will not believe myself until it happens. I was just explaining what I did. It was a SgtMaj by the way.

[Old Timer]

Need to go back to night sticks & paddy wagons IMO.:cursing:

[uriel]

There is going to be some official announcement, like a briefing or passed in formation...not a "hey while you're on liberty here is the news." Everyone keeps talking about " i talked to E-9's" blah blah. Was it a SgtMaj or MGySgt? When you say "I talked to Col so-and-so or Gen Whatshisface" I might start believing.



But yeah I heard it too.:)

it was a sgtmaj. believe what you will, i couldn't care less. and no, often times, unfortunately, there is no briefing, or formation, or anything really. we find out, then we ask our bosses, who in turn ask the big bosses who answer with, "what, nobody told you?". :-|

[Trail]

it was a sgtmaj. believe what you will, i couldn't care less. and no, often times, unfortunately, there is no briefing, or formation, or anything really. we find out, then we ask our bosses, who in turn ask the big bosses who answer with, "what, nobody told you?". :-|

Ahhh, the beauty of communication in the military... :grin1:

[xXNothingnessXx]

it was a sgtmaj. believe what you will, i couldn't care less. and no, often times, unfortunately, there is no briefing, or formation, or anything really. we find out, then we ask our bosses, who in turn ask the big bosses who answer with, "what, nobody told you?". :-|


It sucks to be in a unit like that. We can't even go on libo without some sort of hour long formation...especially a 96.

[CaptainMcLusty]

*ding dong*

"Hi Mr. Zilmer.... Can the Marines come out to play this weekend?"

[The One]

Usually the word is passed from the bottom up. I know why that is because the Command level meeting they talk about it and they don't want it to leave that room. But who do you think will type up the actual message. That LCpl that will in turn tell all of his buddies. Which will then go up the Chain. That is how it works. If you don't believe me ask someone that has ever been the CG's driver. They know everything...

[Obe1Canole]

*ding dong*

"Hi Mr. Zilmer.... Can the Marines come out to play this weekend?"

Maybe you can something a little...."Extra" to convince him...:05::20a::14a:

[xXNothingnessXx]

Usually the word is passed from the bottom up. I know why that is because the Command level meeting they talk about it and they don't want it to leave that room. But who do you think will type up the actual message. That LCpl that will in turn tell all of his buddies. Which will then go up the Chain. That is how it works. If you don't believe me ask someone that has ever been the CG's driver. They know everything...

The CG's driver does know everything.:D

[Crazysix]

BAH I think the MArines need a little more time and not be allowed to wear civvies, make charlies, Alphaa and Blues the only liberty attire..........LMAO

[DoctorP]

BAH I think the MArines need a little more time and not be allowed to wear civvies, make charlies, Alphaa and Blues the only liberty attire..........LMAO

I really think charlies are the way to go. Damn just think about trying to ID someone who screws up..."he was a Cpl, with 2 NAM's and 3 MUC's!"

:D

[The One]

BAH I think the MArines need a little more time and not be allowed to wear civvies, make charlies, Alphaa and Blues the only liberty attire..........LMAO

Blues!!! I don't think the Air Force would like that idea. But the Women would. haha:thumbup:

[Obe1Canole]

BAH I think the MArines need a little more time and not be allowed to wear civvies, make charlies, Alphaa and Blues the only liberty attire..........LMAO

Why do you hate me so much?:army:

[Crazysix]

Why do you hate me so much?:army: just imagine a hot summer day chillen on the beach with your chucks on:smile4:

[DoctorP]

just imagine a hot summer day chillen on the beach with your chucks on:smile4:

no, no, no....beach attire would be green on green!:w00t:

[uriel]

ewwwww.....

[CPOCPO]

What is the curfew? How long has there been one? and what service does it affect? details por favor! Gracias.

[xXNothingnessXx]

What is the curfew? How long has there been one? and what service does it affect? details por favor! Gracias.


The curfew is only for the Marine Corps and it has been in place since February. The curfew is set at midnight. The issue will be revisited after the 96.

[The One]

The curfew is only for the Marine Corps and it has been in place since February. The curfew is set at midnight. The issue will be revisited after the 96.

Curfew is for all services. AF Midnight no drinking. All services have to carry liberty cards. Marine Corps Red=Midnight, Gold=All night. AF Silver and Gold something like that. If someone in the Army and Navy can elaborate.

[xXNothingnessXx]

Curfew is for all services. AF Midnight no drinking. All services have to carry liberty cards. Marine Corps Red=Midnight, Gold=All night. AF Silver and Gold something like that. If someone in the Army and Navy can elaborate.

Correct me if I am wrong the curfew for the AF was changed to General Order 1. The curfew imposed by Gen Zilmer for the Marine Corps is not the same thing as the Liberty Card Program. Not drinking past midnight is not a curfew.

The Marines are the only ones that can't be out past a certain hour...regardless of card status

[hankypanky]

Correct me if I am wrong the curfew for the AF was changed to General Order 1. The curfew imposed by Gen Zilmer for the Marine Corps is not the same thing as the Liberty Card Program. Not drinking past midnight is not a curfew.

The Marines are the only ones that can't be out past a certain hour...regardless of card status

Marines dont care about terminology, curfew/restriction, same damn thing:cursing:

[Ammoyankee]

Curfew is for all services. AF Midnight no drinking. All services have to carry liberty cards. Marine Corps Red=Midnight, Gold=All night. AF Silver and Gold something like that. If someone in the Army and Navy can elaborate.

Retiree= NONE!:thumbup:

[The One]

Retiree= NONE!:thumbup:

One day for me too. :star:

[DougP]

Curfew is for all services. AF Midnight no drinking. All services have to carry liberty cards. Marine Corps Red=Midnight, Gold=All night. AF Silver and Gold something like that. If someone in the Army and Navy can elaborate.

As far as I'm aware the Army still does not issue/carry liberty cards. When I was in we were not issued them and were never required to carry them.

[P_chan]

Correct me if I am wrong the curfew for the AF was changed to General Order 1. The curfew imposed by Gen Zilmer for the Marine Corps is not the same thing as the Liberty Card Program. Not drinking past midnight is not a curfew.

The Marines are the only ones that can't be out past a certain hour...regardless of card status

The curfew was changed back to a modified general order number one. E4 and below get blue cards and have a curfew of midnight. E5, and E4/3s with First Sargent approval, get a silver card and don't have a curfew at all. There is a new rule once you have a silver card though. You can't drink after midnight and you're not supposed to be in a bar after midnight. But you can still drink at your house, or hang out somewhere that doesn't' serve alcohol after midnight. But there is a big gray area with that because you can go to an izakaya and technically stay past midnight because they serve food as well as booze.

[Tyru]

The curfew was changed back to a modified general order number one. E4 and below get blue cards and have a curfew of midnight. E5, and E4/3s with First Sargent approval, get a silver card and don't have a curfew at all. There is a new rule once you have a silver card though. You can't drink after midnight and you're not supposed to be in a bar after midnight. But you can still drink at your house, or hang out somewhere that doesn't' serve alcohol after midnight. But there is a big gray area with that because you can go to an izakaya and technically stay past midnight because they serve food as well as booze.

You may want to read that order again. There is no gray area that I recall. I remember reading that you CANNOT be anywhere that serves alcohol. Including restaurants. It even stated that silver card holders can stay at a hotel but they could not be in bars or restaurants. I don't have the order in front of me nor do I remember the exact wording but I'm pretty close.

[Crazysix]

You may want to read that order again. There is no gray area that I recall. I remember reading that you CANNOT be anywhere that serves alcohol. Including restaurants. It even stated that silver card holders can stay at a hotel but they could not be in bars or restaurants. I don't have the order in front of me nor do I remember the exact wording but I'm pretty close.

WHY are you gonna tell on us?

[Jimmy Hoffa]

i was told it will be pretty much after this holiday. not lcpl underground, e-9 in the know underground. well, he put it out there in a public address, so, sounds legit...

What? the LCpl underground is where to get the scoop.:army:

[Tyru]

WHY are you gonna tell on us?

I'm not telling on anyone, just want to correct an untrue statement before someone believes it and gets in trouble.

[macker]

So if an e-5 with silver card came to my house, They can't drink?

Or is it only if I "serve" it to them?

What if they go to the fridge and get their own??

Confusion is rampant as I'm having a "basement party" soon!! :)

[Crazysix]

I'm not telling on anyone, just want to correct an untrue statement before someone believes it and gets in trouble.
ok in that case I owe you a beer

[NotSoAverageWife]

I think my hubs is supposed to be a gold card.

[Burado]

I have a blue "freedom card" took 20 years to get it though..............

[The One]

So if an e-5 with silver card came to my house, They can't drink?

Or is it only if I "serve" it to them?

What if they go to the fridge and get their own??

Confusion is rampant as I'm having a "basement party" soon!! :)

All services can drink at a SOFA residence anytime.

[Tyru]

ok in that case I owe you a beer

sounds good.

[Jazz]

beer mmmmmm

[P_chan]

You may want to read that order again. There is no gray area that I recall. I remember reading that you CANNOT be anywhere that serves alcohol. Including restaurants. It even stated that silver card holders can stay at a hotel but they could not be in bars or restaurants. I don't have the order in front of me nor do I remember the exact wording but I'm pretty close.

I don't have it in front of me either. But I could of swore that it said you can't be in a place that's primary purpose is serving alcohol. Otherwise I couldn't be in my house after midnight becuase I serve alcohol to people who come over for a visit. Besides, how many courtesy patrols will be going into ramen shops after midnight looking for silver card holders drinking beer with their ramen?:rolleyes:

I'll have to look for the gay ass order later.

[P_chan]

I'm not telling on anyone, just want to correct an untrue statement before someone believes it and gets in trouble.

Well than who's fault would that be?

[kintama]

Some AF guy just got busted at Hardy Barracks and a Lance Cooly just got busted outside Iwakuni.

You think they're going to lift the curfew? There's already a lot of people busting it (they're just staying far enough from base). Animals.

Rock out with your .... out!

[uriel]

things like that won't get the time lengthened. but, if while they were breaking the curfew, someone, i don't know, went out and got a dui involving an accident, or one of our guys/girls assults a local, then it would probably be extended.

[Sex Wax]

things like that won't get the time lengthened. but, if while they were breaking the curfew, someone, i don't know, went out and got a dui involving an accident, or one of our guys/girls assults a local, then it would probably be extended.

Then I think we should all take it upon ourselves to help keep these Military Folks out of trouble this weekend. I'm doing my part. Just a few hours ago, I duct taped a Marine E-3 to a lamp post on Gate 2 Street because he was having trouble standing up and walking due to his drunkeness. He thanked me for keeping him from wandering into the road....then passed out. He may still be there. I'll check up on him later.

[P_chan]

Sometimes it's completely acceptable to break curfew if you have a good reason. Let's say you're heading back from a day up north back to kadena. Everything is fine until you come across a car accident and traffic is backed up and you have to sit there for 3 hours waiting for them to clear the accident. Now let's say you came across this accident at 10pm, you'd probably end up breaking curfew. They would take your name at the gate and be ready to have and explanation once your first shirt calls you. Explain it to your shirt (might want to let your supervisor know:D), and I'm sure you'll be let off the hook.

Now if you stagger in drunk and say "there was a car accident" you probably won't be so lucky.

[P_chan]

I can't believe I looked up this crap. If you look at section g it clearly states that no airman should be in an establishment that PRIMARLY serves alcohol. This is where the gray area exists. Lots of restaurants and izakayas serve food as well as alcohol. I am not breaking any rules by having a silver card, leaving the bar at midnight, and going to an izakaya or ramen shop to get something to eat.

g. Alcohol. All airmen are prohibited from consuming alcoholic beverages at off base locations, except inside of off-base quarters as defined in paragraph 3.b.(2), during restricted hours. Additionally, no airman may be present during restricted hours in an establishment that primarily serves alcoholic beverages.

So I'll say again, I can go to that izakaya or ramen shop that serves beer along with their food. So long as I don't have anything to drink.

http://www.kadena.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-080616-042.pdf

[DougP]

I can't believe I looked up this crap. If you look at section g it clearly states that no airman should be in an establishment that PRIMARLY serves alcohol. This is where the gray area exists. Lots of restaurants and izakayas serve food as well as alcohol. I am not breaking any rules by having a silver card, leaving the bar at midnight, and going to an izakaya or ramen shop to get something to eat.



So I'll say again, I can go to that izakaya or ramen shop that serves beer along with their food. So long as I don't have anything to drink.

http://www.kadena.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-080616-042.pdf

I would have to agree with P on this one. Izakayas and Ramen shops are good to go.

[OtisPMerriweather]

Wonder where all the smart asses are that swore the restriction would be lifted after the holiday? You know, the ones who said "I heard it from the General" "Well, I heard is from Lance Master Gunnery Sergeant of the Marine Corps!" The same ones that scoffed when I said "Show me in writing, cause the Marine Corps doesn't issue island-wide orders verbally!"

Wonder where all THOSE guys are?

http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/53ce6fe6e15aac0013b92f4a7e63be49.jpg

[P_chan]

Might have been busted for breaking curfew:D

[uriel]

Wonder where all the smart asses are that swore the restriction would be lifted after the holiday? You know, the ones who said "I heard it from the General" "Well, I heard is from Lance Master Gunnery Sergeant of the Marine Corps!" The same ones that scoffed when I said "Show me in writing, cause the Marine Corps doesn't issue island-wide orders verbally!"

Wonder where all THOSE guys are?

http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/53ce6fe6e15aac0013b92f4a7e63be49.jpg

you mean the ones who said we were told it will be lifted "shortly" after the holiday? key word being shortly. do you have an exact length of time that shortly constitutes?

[DJ Tak]

It will be briefed to General Zilmer tomorrow. That is all I know.

[OtisPMerriweather]

you mean the ones who said we were told it will be lifted "shortly" after the holiday? key word being shortly. do you have an exact length of time that shortly constitutes?

Nope. Neither does Bush. That's why 5 years and 4 months after the end of combat operations in Iraq, we are...still fighting in Iraq.

Hey, and can you please quote the person who said "shortly" after the holiday?? Key word being shortly? Cause I couldn't find that particular statement anywhere...

http://www.brutallyhonest.org/brutally_honest/images/2007/08/05/humility.jpg

Edited to add:

I wasn't even trying to call you out...I was actually referring to a convo I had in chatbox about this exact thing, but hey, if the shoe fits....

[Sex Wax]

Military Peeps, y'all are not only gonna have the curfew extended, but I sense another Lockdown coming. You can live vicariously through me if you like.

[uriel]

I've heard some buzz that this curfew is gonna be lifted for Marines next month sometime. Have you guys heard anything like that lately?

that seems pretty close to me. but if you wanna split hairs...

[Obe1Canole]

Well the 2 Marines that got arrested by the JP's last Monday don't help the situation any. Drunken vandalism in Naha = getting arrested and thrown in Okinawan jail. 6 more months of lockdown here we come!

[dk]

"JU4L:38:."

LMAO.

But seriously, on topic, what is with these idiots getting themselves in trouble RIGHT BEFORE something good could possibly happen for them. I swear to god, it happens EVERY TIME. Idiots.

Someone needs to give them a "you are a ******* moron" card or something...

http://agora.blogsome.com/images/Yaafmfilm.jpg

[Vincent]

This is like Groundhog Day. If the General sees his Marines in jail.. 6 more weeks of curfew.

[Obe1Canole]

CLR 35 now has a 2200 curfew. At 2200 all Marines and Sailors Col and below must be in their place of residence and must stop consuming alcohol. There will be a E-4 posted on every deck and a E-5 at the bottom. SNCO's will be in the barracks much more to check up on things. ***** my life. Sigh

[badkitty]

DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!! If I go on lockdown for some bullshit.....

[Obe1Canole]

DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!! If I go on lockdown for some bullshit.....

You're not going on lockdown Kitty, it's just our regiment. Granted, it is a pretty big regiment... We have units on Kinser, Foster, Hansen, Schwab, Iwakuni, Hawaii... It's not all Marines in the Pacific though. I hope this doesn't last too long...

[badkitty]

See, I hate it when people **** it up for others. I hope your lock down doesn't last long.

[DJ Tak]

The order to discontinue the curfew has been promulgated to the Regiments and all input needs to be back to the General by the 10th.

[Sex Wax]

CLR 35 now has a 2200 curfew. At 2200 all Marines and Sailors Col and below must be in their place of residence and must stop consuming alcohol. There will be a E-4 posted on every deck and a E-5 at the bottom. SNCO's will be in the barracks much more to check up on things. ***** my life. Sigh

I will crack open a brew at 10:01pm (2201) and chug it just for you.

[Spadesy]

It's not too weird. The philosophy of many...it's only illegal if you get caught. Where there's a will there's a way. Something like that.

As for the curfew, I'm not going to believe anything until it's actually changed, if it ever changes. This BS has been going on since February. So glad I deploy to southeast Asia so often, I don't have time to complain about a curfew here.

[DonChingon]

You could also bet that locals will be arrested as well. I see every weekend next to my house trying to drive away from the Izikaya (spelling??).
The mutual goal for both of our societies should be to reprimand those who break the law regardless of who they are.

[OtisPMerriweather]

ooohkay....

[OtisPMerriweather]

By the way, the end of September is coming up mighty fast. Hate to be the type to say "I told you so", but...

[Pandora]

By the way, the end of September is coming up mighty fast. Hate to be the type to say "I told you so", but...
I have confirmation that the new Marine Corps liberty policy is being released today. It was announced at a base leadership meeting this morning.

[P_chan]

Does a wet bird fly at night?

[DougP]

Does it say something like

GOLD Cards will entitle the bearer to remain outside the gates;
i.e. overnight liberty.

ALL bars must be vacated by 0200 and alcohol usage terminated by
0200 out in town, Monday thru Sunday regardless of GOLD Card possession.

and have a little something like...

RED Cards will be issued once the Marine or Sailor receives his or
her Welcome Aboard and Standards of Conduct Class. This is required for all
card holders regardless of liberty card color OR rank.

and...
Buddy liberty for all E-1s thru E-3.

Seems as though they're not exactly going to lift the curfew... just tweak certain policies already in place.

[badkitty]

Now are we speaking about the Marines specifically or all branches?

[Pandora]

Now are we speaking about the Marines specifically or all branches?

We were only told that it's changing for the MC...but, they had a harsher curfew than the AF folks, anyway.

[Obe1Canole]

I have confirmation that the new Marine Corps liberty policy is being released today. It was announced at a base leadership meeting this morning.

Well I hope it's true. I just sent a mass email saying that there are rumors the policy was gonna be lifted any day now, referencing this thread. Even if not it's all good. Morale will be up until we find out from our command:)

[hankypanky]

So now i have to wait until 2 am to go to a bar in town? Come on:smile4:

[Pandora]

I'd like to know if they're going to change it for the AF, as well. It's kind of crappy that the Marines had the last big incident, but the AF cannot be in a bar past midnight. WTF. You'd think that base leadership for both sides would get together before big decisions like this are made.
/done whining.
:cursing:

[Carl]

I'd like to know if they're going to change it for the AF, as well. It's kind of crappy that the Marines had the last big incident, but the AF cannot be in a bar past midnight. WTF. You'd think that base leadership for both sides would get together before big decisions like this are made.
/done whining.
:cursing:

Don't worry, it's only a matter of time before someone screws it up for the Marines again. :army:

[timbwhite]

here this might be helpful for those who want to see some hard evidence. http://www.okinawa.usmc.mil/Public%20Affairs%20Info/Press%20Releases/Release%2008-012.html

[Ammoyankee]

I'd like to know if they're going to change it for the AF, as well. It's kind of crappy that the Marines had the last big incident, but the AF cannot be in a bar past midnight. WTF. You'd think that base leadership for both sides would get together before big decisions like this are made.
/done whining.
:cursing:

AF has their share of stuff too, just maybe not quite as big time...

Wasn't it an Air Force cop that recently was the ringleader in the taxi robbery involving minors? And, a few years ago, an AF SSgt was caught taking upskirt cell phone photos of a 10 year old girl. Also, it was an Airman who screwed up during the original lockdown and broke out windows at a business off-base.

And leadership does meet in the "Town Meetings" but regardless of what service screws up, the USMC General is still the highest ranking military official on island and will take the brunt.

I was AF on the island for a long time and didn't like the curfews either but that's the way the gov't rolls!

[Crazysix]

AF has their share of stuff too, just maybe not quite as big time...

Wasn't it an Air Force cop that recently was the ringleader in the taxi robbery involving minors? And, a few years ago, an AF SSgt was caught taking upskirt cell phone photos of a 10 year old girl. Also, it was an Airman who screwed up during the original lockdown and broke out windows at a business off-base.

And leadership does meet in the "Town Meetings" but regardless of what service screws up, the USMC General is still the highest ranking military official on island and will take the brunt.

I was AF on the island for a long time and didn't like the curfews either but that's the way the gov't rolls!
wasnt it an airman up in mainland that broke into a love hotel:grin1:

[DougP]

wasnt it an airman up in mainland that broke into a love hotel:grin1:

I thought the hard part was breaking out, not getting in:D

[P_chan]

I thought the hard part was breaking out, not getting in:D

Sometimes you don't want to break out:D

[Bones]

As posted by P_chan:

Sometimes you don't want to break out.:D

So how would you know that, other than reading your father's back issue of Playboy, or something?:rolleyes:

Oh yeah, forgot. DocP, has been telling you stories........:rolleyes:

Opportunities abound, especially if you dress well near a resort hotel. Even for an old guy like me.:old::D

Not that I even attempted to partake of those offers mind you. Kind of hard to do when surrounded by family.:crying:

Bones

[Spadesy]

Don't worry, it's only a matter of time before someone screws it up for the Marines again. :army:

lol so true. S/F

[shimagaijin]

No matter what, no matter what service (Army, Navy, AF, or Marines) some dumbass is going to do something stupid...roll of the dice. Marines just won the first round with a "stolen taxi escapade"!!! Who`s next???

[Obe1Canole]

Sigh.... More rumors.

I heard that 2 Marines held up a McDonalds near Kinser this weekend with 2 guns. Airsoft or real, I don't know, it doesn't really matter. I hope this rumor isn't true...

[EEWNASTY]

my question is why can marines (the original troublemakers) go drink until 2am and the airforce still has to stop at midnight?

[jthizz]

Most single guys (red card holders) have to be in by midnight also, only gold cards can stay out till 2am.

as for the reason, no clue

[uriel]

gold card holders can stay out 24 hours, but have to be out of the bar by 2.

[Kinrat]

Yea I can see that happening. As a matter of fact I was out the other night indulging in the alcoholic beverage of my choice in great amounts when I actually saw a Bar tender chase out a bunch of jar heads because it was 02:00 and they were stupid enough to want to argue with her about it.....I haven't had a liberty card since 1974 but I even knew the rules as stated by the base commander as well as everything that has been published in the local rags...................They never learn.

[EEWNASTY]

any thing semi official or otherwise about any change in general order #1 for us

[Redsox'sNation]

my question is why can marines (the original troublemakers) go drink until 2am and the airforce still has to stop at midnight?

Original Trouble Makers? Are the Marines the only ones who do stupid things? That is profiling and profiling is wrong...

And to their defense... You can't ask someone to learn how to be nuts and act like a civilized individual on the drop of a dime...

[EEWNASTY]

Original Trouble Makers? Are the Marines the only ones who do stupid things? That is profiling and profiling is wrong...

And to their defense... You can't ask someone to learn how to be nuts and act like a civilized individual on the drop of a dime...

no they are not the only ones that do stupid things, but some Marines were the tip off point for the whole lockdown thing. I have Marines in my family and they are quite capable of acting civilized

[OtisPMerriweather]

Eww...you are nasty.

[EEWNASTY]

who me? lol i try not to be

[AIMHIGH]

To keep it short Okinawa used to be the place to be after Clark AB in Philippines closed up. I been stationed here now for the 3rd time, its just time to go, just not the same place as it was back in 1993.

[z's inmate#2341]

To keep it short Okinawa used to be the place to be after Clark AB in Philippines closed up. I been stationed here now for the 3rd time, its just time to go, just not the same place as it was back in 1993.

There was Panama until about 1998:w00t:

[AIMHIGH]

There was Panama until about 1998:w00t:



yeah i heard about panama, never been there.

[The One]

I love Okinawa....
Love it even more that I am gone.

[Fire4Effect]

I've only been gone 3 months and already miss it... scuba diving in the bath tub just isn't the same...

[Spadesy]

To keep it short Okinawa used to be the place to be after Clark AB in Philippines closed up. I been stationed here now for the 3rd time, its just time to go, just not the same place as it was back in 1993.

I was over at Clark AB in November for an exercise, hard to believe U.S service members could get stationed there once upon a time, nice and close to Angeles City. If I were a Marine at the time, when Air Force cats were there, I would've been all sorts of jealous. lol

My Gunny says the same thing about Okinawa, how it was, "back in the day." Now BC Street is a little shopping street and everybody's always talking about international incidents, the movement to Guam...kind of depressing. Supposedly if you were a skinny white guy back in the early 90's in Okinawa, you would have no problem with a chicky finding you. lol

As much as I read about U.S military/Okinawan relations, I no longer worry about how we are seen by the whole...no sense in worrying about helping dumbasses conduct themselves the way they should, whatever happened can't be undone.

I just do my own thing, and if I'm fortunate enough to be accepted by a group of stranger Okinawans as an individual when I go outside of base...and I usually do get accepted - then I am happy.

[hankypanky]

I was over at Clark AB in November for an exercise, hard to believe U.S service members could get stationed there once upon a time, nice and close to Angeles City. If I were a Marine at the time, when Air Force cats were there, I would've been all sorts of jealous. lol

My Gunny says the same thing about Okinawa, how it was, "back in the day." Now BC Street is a little shopping street and everybody's always talking about international incidents, the movement to Guam...kind of depressing. Supposedly if you were a skinny white guy back in the early 90's in Okinawa, you would have no problem with a chicky finding you. lol

As much as I read about U.S military/Okinawan relations, I no longer worry about how we are seen by the whole...no sense in worrying about helping dumbasses conduct themselves the way they should, whatever happened can't be undone.

I just do my own thing, and if I'm fortunate enough to be accepted by a group of stranger Okinawans as an individual when I go outside of base...and I usually do get accepted - then I am happy.

now is 2009.......u have to be a skinny black guy........:D

[Crazysix]

or a Fat ass Cracker!!!!!!!:thumbup::thumbup::grin1:

[Sex Wax]

Or me ! :w00t::thumbup1::w00t:

[shimagaijin]

Why is there still a curfew? Why is there different curfews for different branches of the service? What happened to all the Joint Force rhetoric on this one?

[P_chan]

Why is there still a curfew? Why is there different curfews for different branches of the service? What happened to all the Joint Force rhetoric on this one?

Some branches are able to behave themselves better than others:D

[EEWNASTY]

Some branches are able to behave themselves better than others:D

apparently every one behaves better than us in the air force...or the general wants another star.

[shimagaijin]

That's exactly it! WTF is his deal? Air Force leadership has no balls. Hoorah Marine Corp leadership! You know how to keep the morale up for those who follow the rules. For the Air Force leadership...use your imagination (hint: go **** yourself!)

[P_chan]

That's exactly it! WTF is his deal? Air Force leadership has no balls. Hoorah Marine Corp leadership! You know how to keep the morale up for those who follow the rules. For the Air Force leadership...use your imagination (hint: go **** yourself!)

Well it's kinda hard when the AF ranking officer on island is a one star while the marine ranking officer on island is a three star.

[shimagaijin]

Well it's kinda hard when the AF ranking officer on island is a one star while the marine ranking officer on island is a three star.

The ranking General on Okinawa is a Marine...why are there different standards/rules? This just doesn't make sense in a "Joint Force" culture. :thumbdown: for the AF rules that are more harsh. The AF General has the option to use the same standards for the curfew as the USMC. He just choses not to...I bet out of fear to not get another star if some dumb @ss Airman screws up. :scratchchin:

[P_chan]

the USMC 3 star is the Area Commander...

I am pretty sure that the AF 1 star's chain of command is not the USMC 3Star...

LOL...

wow.. seems like simple command structure is lost on some of you..

remember the lockdown... after the 3 star locked everyone on okinawa down.. very shortly thereafter the AF was playing by a different set of rules... i wonder why:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

True, but when there is a major incident (like back during the lock down) the 3 star can have jurisdiction over all SOFA persons on island. Hence why the AF and civilians were locked down with the marines for a while.

[P_chan]

yes.. but there were 2 different sets of restrictions after the first week or so into the lockdown...

the AF General had marching orders from higher up his chain...
many Marines i worked around were complaining and cryign cause the AF had certain restrictions lifted

Yeah it sucked, I was supposed to stay at my place of residence during those first few weeks:D

[OtisPMerriweather]

True, but when there is a major incident (like back during the lock down) the 3 star can have jurisdiction over all SOFA persons on island. Hence why the AF and civilians were locked down with the marines for a while.

It's kind of like the General for Marine Forces Pacific (MARFORPAC) is pretty much in charge of all of the Marines from here to Hawaii, but the PACCOM commander is a Navy Admiral.

Doesn't mean the Marine General "reports" to the Admiral in the strictest sense of the word, but let's just say if it came down to a pissing contest...

Same thing here on Okinawa. You have a top officer for every branch, but they all just can't go off willy-nilly doing their own thing. They set policy for the servicemembers under their command in accordance with the area commander's intent.

[OtisPMerriweather]

yes.. but there were 2 different sets of restrictions after the first week or so into the lockdown...

the AF General had marching orders from higher up his chain...
many Marines i worked around were complaining and cryign cause the AF had certain restrictions lifted

I doubt seriously if that id what happened. What the area commander probably did was allow each commander to set the limits he/she deemed sufficient to curtail liberty incidents after the initial lockdown period. General Krussa-Dossin, being a Marine herself, would find it a bit more...let's say politically unwise to set a softer standard than what Gen. Zilmer initially proposed. The Air Force and Navy commanders, being commanders, I'm sure were given the latitude to determine thier own paths, with the understanding that if one of their personnel commits the next act, they would have to also answer for the lighter restriction policy.

The fact is, none of us were privy to those meetings, but I seriously doubt that the AF commander just bypassed the theater commander cause somebody at the Pentagon directly cared about what time Airmen got libbo, and undermined General Zilmer.

Officers at that level are more politicians than soldiers.

[Hisashiburi]

So...what is the curfew rules over there? I'm 28/E6/Married/USAF, if that matters...

[Lucinacia]

So...what is the curfew rules over there? I'm 28/E6/Married/USAF, if that matters...

It means you'll get a silver card automatically and you won't have a curfew so long as you don't screw up.

..... *is waiting impatiently for 6th month mark* Argh~~ x3 I want to get a silver card, dammit~~

[P_chan]

But keep in mind, if you have a silver card you still can't be in a bar or any place that primarily serves alcohol after midnight.

























































Not that it stopped me before:D

[CPOCPO]

Army doesn't use these cards?

[Richard Burns]

Army doesn't use these cards?

Nope. The Army get's treated good in Okinawa. They get no cerfew, no libo cards, they get their SOFA license with in 30 days of being here.

[GODH8SU]

Nope. The Army get's treated good in Okinawa. They get no cerfew, no libo cards, they get their SOFA license with in 30 days of being here.

I had mine the first week. The Army is also the least populized branch here so they're able to lay pretty low. That and their brass doesn't bend over backwards to the Marine rules like the pussy ass AF leadership.

[Richard Burns]

I had mine the first week. The Army is also the least populized branch here so they're able to lay pretty low. That and their brass doesn't bend over backwards to the Marine rules like the pussy ass AF leadership.

Yup. The Marine 3 star general here according to one of my army boys tried to get the Army to adopt cerfews and all that gay ass shit and evidently the Army general in charge if here is a 4 star and basically said hell no you're not gonna treat my soldiers like shit pretty much.


personally I think everybody that comes here should have full 100% rights no cerfew nothing BUT if you **** up than its all taken away from the PERSON responsible. The whole punish everyone thing is pretty lame that craps supposed to end after boot camp.

[Ayzil]

I think it's funny how Korea now has a less strict curfew than Okinawa.

[CPOCPO]

Yup. The Marine 3 star general here according to one of my army boys tried to get the Army to adopt cerfews and all that gay ass shit and evidently the Army general in charge if here is a 4 star and basically said hell no you're not gonna treat my soldiers like shit pretty much.


personally I think everybody that comes here should have full 100% rights no cerfew nothing BUT if you **** up than its all taken away from the PERSON responsible. The whole punish everyone thing is pretty lame that craps supposed to end after boot camp.


The highest ranked Army officer on island is an O6. COL Woodard.

[Richard Burns]

The highest ranked Army officer on island is an O6. COL Woodard.

I left it out the 4 star is in charge of Okinawa is in Hawaii.

[Spadesy]

I think it's funny how Korea now has a less strict curfew than Okinawa.

I think that's because, unlike Okinawans, Koreans are less reserved (have a soul) and don't go apeshit when an incident happens and tell our bosses, "you rack disciprine."

Just kidding.

But seriously, Korea rules. Seoul rules. The locals aren't so separate from the military guys outside. I was able to get like 3 different phone numbers from girls and I was there for a week once. You could stay in Okinawa for 2 or 3 years and not get anything. lol

[uriel]

You could stay in Okinawa for 2 or 3 years and not get anything. lol

if you suck at life.

[DoctorP]

if you suck at life.

seriously LMFAO!:thumbup:

[uriel]

i mean, really, if you aren't so drunk you can't stand up, if you talk to a woman, and LISTEN a little bit (or just do a good job at pretending you are), you will get names and numbers. but if you stay in the barracks and complain that no one is bringing women to you on a silver platter who're just ready to go, then you probably won't get names and numbers.

damn, being married sucks...

[dk]

damn, being married sucks...
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe...

*Hysterical laughter*

*Hysterical crying*

[CPOCPO]

I left it out the 4 star is in charge of Okinawa is in Hawaii.




COL Woodard falls under MG Wiercinski ( 2 Star) at USARJ on the mainland.

USARJ falls under LG Mixon (3 Star) of the United States Army Pacific.


While USAREUR (Europe) is commanded by a 4 Star, USARPAC is not. Probably they will get a 4 Star when the Eighth Army (S. Korea) falls under USARPAC in the future- they currently have their own 3 Star. By then, USARPAC will oversee Hawaii, Korea, Alaska, parts of Ft. Lewis (I Corps) and Japan.

But to summarize: there is no Army 4 Star in Hawaii in charge of Okinawa.

[DoctorP]

i mean, really, if you aren't so drunk you can't stand up, if you talk to a woman, and LISTEN a little bit (or just do a good job at pretending you are), you will get names and numbers. but if you stay in the barracks and complain that no one is bringing women to you on a silver platter who're just ready to go, then you probably won't get names and numbers.

damn, being married sucks...

Remember man....the order goes like this:


Phillipines
Thailiand
Korea
Australia
Japan


Japan is probably the hardest one to get laid in...but still you have your pick of the litter every freakin' day...good god man!:-|

[Richard Burns]

Ibguess I got bum scoop then.

[dk]

Remember man....the order goes like this:


Phillipines
Thailiand
Korea
Australia
Japan


Japan is probably the hardest one to get laid in...but still you have your pick of the litter every freakin' day...good god man!:-|

How much are tickets to Korea these days? \:-)

[Spadesy]

seriously LMFAO!:thumbup:

Uriel, isn't your wife a mainlander? :D

[uriel]

yup. womans are womans. in the end, they're all a pain in the ass. love her to death, but she, as I'm sure I do to her, bugs the hell out of me sometimes.

[Spadesy]

I suppose so.

Especially when they are trying to talk to you in bed incessantly about...whatever...and you start passing out and they shake you awake so you could listen to them more. GRUGHHH.

[P_chan]

I suppose so.

Especially when they are trying to talk to you in bed incessantly about...whatever...and you start passing out and they shake you awake so you could listen to them more. GRUGHHH.


LOL I must be lucky. Usually my wife is playing tetris on her DS while we're lying in bed (after a little mattress dancing\:-)), or she's playing fetch with the dog. The times we do stay up to "talk" I usually convince her to rub my back or something, or I rub her's.

[Hisashiburi]

I had mine the first week. The Army is also the least populized branch here so they're able to lay pretty low. That and their brass doesn't bend over backwards to the Marine rules like the pussy ass AF leadership.

I think this is true any time there is a small number of a service on another service's base. I spent some time in the AF unit (140ish ppl) on Ft. Hood (50 Thousandish soldiers), and it was fantastic...most bullsh** AF anal rules were completely ignored, and we ignored almost all of the BS army ones.

[baruch38]

In the last 50 years with 2 new generations,things have really changed on the Island

[Crazysix]

In the last 50 years with 2 new generations,things have really changed on the Island

nah just a little

[mikersoft]

In the last 50 years with 2 new generations,things have really changed on the Island

Yeah! They have Starbucks now!! :thumbup:

[CPOCPO]

hey just a head's up (I don't think I can download a pdf on here) but appearently the Army DOES have a curfew restriction of sorts on the island, and it was passed around today on the interwebs for Army Okinawa users:

Signed by COL Woodard in Sept. of last year- the main point is that drinking in public is not allowed from 0100-0500 on weekdays and 0200-0500 on weekends and Federal Holidays... with 4 July coming up they decided to remind the peeps...

Just an FYI-

[Spadesy]

^ I'm sure that's hardly enforced though. There aren't many Army guys on Okinawa. I can picture it already,

"Hey devildog, what are you doing out here so late?"
"I'm not a 'devildog...' hooah."
"Nice try."
"Naw, really, here's my ID." *shows ID*
"Hmph." *walks away*
*rubs his glass of whiskey with malicious intent*
"Curfew can kiss my ass. Time to gets me's a Filipina barg...b...yeah. Muhahahaha!"







(This post was just in jest, don't kill me plz.)

[P_chan]

^ I'm sure that's hardly enforced though. There aren't many Army guys on Okinawa. I can picture it already,

"Hey devildog, what are you doing out here so late?"
"I'm not a 'devildog...' hooah."
"Nice try."
"Naw, really, here's my ID." *shows ID*
"Hmph." *walks away*
*rubs his glass of whiskey with malicious intent*
"Curfew can kiss my ass. Time to gets me's a Filipina barg...b...yeah. Muhahahaha!"









(This post was just in jest, don't kill me plz.)

That's why the have a roving team of crusty SNCOs from each branch checking the bars on gate 2:D.

[CPOCPO]

That's why the have a roving team of crusty SNCOs from each branch checking the bars on gate 2:D.

Only those who need to worry about curfews go out near Gate 2 ;)

[Ayzil]

Only those who need to worry about curfews go out near Gate 2 ;)

I live on Gate 2, I see those SNCO's walking around, they see me...it's 2am...no one gives a shit.

[Spadesy]

Eh, I only go to Gate 2 to get messed up with my friends on occassion anyway. It's always a good time, just damn expensive though. 1 drink leads to another leads to another, and it's easy to blow one or two hundred bucks in one night. Ouch.

[jthizz]

That's why the have a roving team of crusty SNCOs from each branch checking the bars on gate 2:D.

gate 2 duty ends at 0100 for everyone cept the AF, who have on base duty around the Tree and the surrounding brks.

and most of the ppl on duty dont really give a crap about it, last saturday they were just chilling outside club red most of the night

[RenaissanceMan]

I was approached in Mihama by some Marine group in the early AM. They asked me if I was in the military, I said, Not any more... and then they walked away. I was waiting to pull out my Resident Card...I am so happy to be out of the military....