Finding a job on base.

[Aidra]

I had been looking for a job on AAFES.com so I can have some variety in what I do with my time, but whenever I put in "Okinawa, Japan" on their website, nothing would show up. Then I learned from an employee at the Foster PX to just put in "Japan" as the location and openings should come up. I started wondering how many other people aren't able to find any open positions at their BX/PX, so thought I'd share. :star:

[Aidra]

I had been looking for a job on AAFES.com so I can have some variety in what I do with my time, but whenever I put in "Okinawa, Japan" on their website, nothing would show up. Then I learned from an employee at the Foster PX to just put in "Japan" as the location and openings should come up. I started wondering how many other people aren't able to find any open positions at their BX/PX, so thought I'd share. :star:

Sorry I didn't post this in the Jobs and Employment forum. Forgive me. :argh14:

[Bones]

As posted by Aidra:

I had been looking for a job on AAFES.com so I can have some variety in what I do with my time, but whenever I put in "Okinawa, Japan" on their website, nothing would show up. Then I learned from an employee at the Foster PX to just put in "Japan" as the location and openings should come up. I started wondering how many other people aren't able to find any open positions at their BX/PX, so thought I'd share.

There's no need to share. I've gone through the process a couple of times. You apply, you go for the interview, you get rejected.

For some reason, if you happen to be retired military, you will not get hired. The reason given, there are no reasons given. You just get an e-mail informing you that you didn't get the job.

Why? Who knows?

Maybe it's just because I'm retired military, and I don't know how to handle people problems after looking after someone else s kids, or spouses. But an 18 year old kid can.

I suspect skin color has something to do with it as well. This does not include Asians, just us American types. If you are being interviewed,and your skin does not have the same skin color as the person conducting the interview, you're not getting the job.

Enough said.

[hankypanky]

As posted by Aidra:



There's no need to share. I've gone through the process a couple of times. You apply, you go for the interview, you get rejected.

For some reason, if you happen to be retired military, you will not get hired. The reason given, there are no reasons given. You just get an e-mail informing you that you didn't get the job.

Why? Who knows?

Maybe it's just because I'm retired military, and I don't know how to handle people problems after looking after someone else s kids, or spouses. But an 18 year old kid can.

I suspect skin color has something to do with it as well. This does not include Asians, just us American types. If you are being interviewed,and your skin does not have the same skin color as the person conducting the interview, you're not getting the job.

Enough said.

I love what bones has said. If not japanese, Phillipino, (sp) or a spouse, your not getting the job. Why do i say this. Take a look around. Don't take me as as a biggot, the cards show. Ass sells.

[hankypanky]

And i'm sorry if your wife got a job at the px/bx............I guess she has a nice ass:thumbup:

[OkinawaStud]

You have to be Phillipino Mafia to get an AAFES job.

[thistle]

I love what bones has said. If not japanese, Phillipino, (sp) or a spouse, your not getting the job. Why do i say this. Take a look around. Don't take me as as a biggot, the cards show. Ass sells.

Ok, question here. If you are not american, how would you be able to apply for those jobs in the first place.
You cannot apply for those jobs without a s/s number, and not many japanese, phillipino or 'other' nationalities have those.

[hankypanky]

Ok, question here. If you are not american, how would you be able to apply for those jobs in the first place.
You cannot apply for those jobs without a s/s number, and not many japanese, phillipino or 'other' nationalities have those.

So I guess, you have to be a wife with a nice ass! Thanks for the clarification Thistle!!:smile4:

[navwifecom]

Psst, Hanky, Thistle is female, ITYWTK.

You can get an job on island if you are not a spouse, part of the "in" team, or a certain nationality, but it's DAMN hard....

Lots more hoops to jump through.
Just saying....

[Daniela]

Certain positions are reserved for local nationals.

[socalheart]

On Okinawa, it seems that half the AAFES employees are Japanese (either locals or spouses) and the other half Filipina with a few Americans thrown in as tokens to satisfy the EOE quota. A non-American spouse, such as a Filipina, must have a TID number to fulfill the SSN requirement.

I don't think that it'd be such an issue if those who received those AAFES could actually do their jobs, which including speaking English. That so many of them are inept at their jobs, makes others wonder about their qualifications to do their often simple jobs. It does seem like a form of favoritism when nearly every employee not filling a contractual obligation between governments is of one nationality or ethnicity.

Good luck with getting a job with AAFES though, Aidra. :)

[cellophane]

I think you are more likely to get the job also if you can say "I need to see I.D." very fast and in the highest squeakiest voice possible.

[Carl]

I like how the people who work in the electronics department don't know anything about the department. I went there looking for Metal Gear Solid 4 a week after it was released and had my wife (who is Japanese) ask one of the Japanese staff there if they had it. She said "Lots of people ask about that game. What's the big deal with it?" My wife also had to say the name of the game several times before the lady finally realized what she was talking about. I mean, how do you work in an electronics department and NOT know anything about one of the biggest games of the year?! Well, in typical AAFES fashion, they didn't have it in stock, but would have it "some time in July" (a month after it was released). I really liked it when the DS came out and they sold the system, but didn't sell games for it until a few months later. I ended up ordering the English Chinese version from play-asia.com instead. Screw AAFES and their incompetent staff. Overstocked in Spongebob and Barbie games, but understocked (or not stocked at all) in real games real people actually want to play.

[P_chan]

I like how the people who work in the electronics department don't know anything about the department. I went there looking for Metal Gear Solid 4 a week after it was released and had my wife (who is Japanese) ask one of the Japanese staff there if they had it. She said "Lots of people ask about that game. What's the big deal with it?" My wife also had to say the name of the game several times before the lady finally realized what she was talking about. I mean, how do you work in an electronics department and NOT know anything about one of the biggest games of the year?! Well, in typical AAFES fashion, they didn't have it in stock, but would have it "some time in July" (a month after it was released). I really liked it when the DS came out and they sold the system, but didn't sell games for it until a few months later. I ended up ordering the English Chinese version from play-asia.com instead. Screw AAFES and their incompetent staff. Overstocked in Spongebob and Barbie games, but understocked (or not stocked at all) in real games real people actually want to play.

Amen:thumbup:

[kintama]

For many years, AAFES didn't allow locals in the store etc. Now they are making more money hand over fist.

I would rather go down to blow row and give 25 cent bjs than work for AAFES! I think I could make more money.

Golden Balls

[Bones]

Nothing scares AAFES management more, than hiring someone who actually know what they are talking about. At least as it relates to the merchandise within the section that you are looking to be employed at.

It threatens their jobs.

God, help you if you know how to diffuse a potential aggressive situation. Or if you decide that the "customer" has overstepped his/her limits. If you have those skills, you're not likely to get the job, especially if you do not call management in to assist you.

Claim ignorance, take it from there, and you'll find a job.

[SGT_OKINAWA]

You have to be Phillipino Mafia to get an AAFES job.

I suspect skin color has something to do with it as well. This does not include Asians, just us American types. If you are being interviewed and your skin does not have the same skin color as the person conducting the interview, you're not getting the job.

Enough said.

I love what bones has said. If not Japanese, Pilipino, (sp) or a spouse, you’re not getting the job. Why do I say this. Take a look around. Don't take me as a bigot, the cards show. Ass sells.

or a certain nationality, but it's DAMN hard....
Just saying....

“with a few Americans thrown in as tokens to satisfy the EOE quota.” “which including speaking English. “ “It does seem like a form of favoritism when nearly every employee not filling a contractual obligation between governments is of one nationality or ethnicity.”

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OMG! ~ O.M.F.G. ~! Maybe I know now what Okisteve meant on my other thread, because that is all I can think of right now is to say what he said:

This is freaking sad.

You mean to tell me that MY pointing out SOFA / DOD jobs that are "Local Hire Only" "No PCS Expenses paid" “If you are in the USA, F-You pal” rants that I got body slammed by every Tom, Dick, and Sally on these boards, all the while never using racial overtones, sexist remarks, etc only to hit the bulls eye of readers here on the JU forums by use of some generalization of the dependant military spouse population…YET racial statements “Pilipino mafia” and “Skin color” are okay when it’s NOT talking about the “Dependant corps”?

GMAFB, - Sexist remarks too? “Ass sells”. Sure as hell if it wasn’t the long weekend there’d be more remarks like the above and they are getting away with it!?

Oh, this place is just a work of freaking racist art!

And watch what happens after I point this out, they’ll try to defend their statements, by comparing Pilipino’s having an AAFES “good old boy system” vs. my statement of a DOD “Good old boys system” and try to make theirs sound innocent, because it doesn’t target as Bones said - “just us American types”

:thumbdown: :rolleyes:

Peace?:army:

[navwifecom]

you will notice that different people posted to each thread......

No saying either way is correct, but as is life, there are differing opinions about MOST everything on the forums. Some is experience, some is perception, you just have to dig to get the facts as they pertain to you situation.

YMMV,
Nav:thumbup1:


Not that you have asked, but as a former HR/payroll person, I noticed that location at time of application really can matter, it comes down to dollars. Why hire out of country when you have 20+ people here willing to take half the pay just to get SOFA status? They pick and chose from the local pool of applicants to find someone to fit the job specifications. I have NEVER seen someone accepted for a job that they did not qualify for. That would be wrong if not illegal. They always can find someone suitable for the job locally, only because there are so many here who desire SOFA status.
Make the leap, try coming over and submitting those applications, that may be the key to you getting hired. Good luck!

Again, just my opinion, you may have WAY different experiences from what I have posted. It is my personal perception of the hiring situation here.

[SGT_OKINAWA]

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OMG! ~ O.M.F.G. ~! Maybe I know now what Okisteve meant on my other thread, because that is all I can think of right now is to say what he said:



You mean to tell me that MY pointing out SOFA / DOD jobs that are "Local Hire Only" "No PCS Expenses paid" “If you are in the USA, F-You pal” rants that I got body slammed by every Tom, Dick, and Sally on these boards, all the while never using racial overtones, sexist remarks, etc only to hit the bulls eye of readers here on the JU forums by use of some generalization of the dependant military spouse population…YET racial statements “Pilipino mafia” and “Skin color” are okay when it’s NOT talking about the “Dependant corps”?

GMAFB, - Sexist remarks too? “Ass sells”. Sure as hell if it wasn’t the long weekend there’d be more remarks like the above and they are getting away with it!?

Oh, this place is just a work of freaking racist art!

And watch what happens after I point this out, they’ll try to defend their statements, by comparing Pilipino’s having an AAFES “good old boy system” vs. my statement of a DOD “Good old boys system” and try to make theirs sound innocent, because it doesn’t target as Bones said - “just us American types”

:thumbdown: :rolleyes:

Peace?:army:

I just re-read my own post, and wow, I must have been mad, sorry to come off so strong, but I'm just upset that racist remarks still fly around under a subtle cloak of he/she said.

Peace!:army:

[prekteacher]

I love what bones has said. If not japanese, Phillipino, (sp) or a spouse, your not getting the job. Why do i say this. Take a look around. Don't take me as as a biggot, the cards show. Ass sells.

hey stop picking on us FILIPINOS. it's an F not PH. thanks for the compliments about the ass, but not all asians have ass.

[Bones]

As posted by prekteacher:

hey stop picking on us FILIPINOS. it's an F not PH. thanks for the compliments about the ass, but not all asians have ass.

I'm not picking on anyone, as far as this thread goes. And I understand the hiring practices of AAFES.

I'm not a dependent, my wife is Okinawan, and she has no job for the simple reason that I don't want her to work. What I am criticizing, is the people who do the hiring, and their poor interpretation of the guidelines, as it relates to retirees.

I retired from the military almost 14 years ago, I'm already on island, live comfortably, and no moving expenses are required. I'm not seeking SOFA status, not looking to fill any important positions.

A part time job would be good for me, just so that I can buy some new toys.

The only thing that I was trying to convey in an earlier posting, is that I am a white guy, who has moved back over here at my own expense, and it's hard to find a job. I have a lot of Okinawan friends who work with AAFES, we're still good friends. And they do a heck of a job, when I need information about some things.

So with all of these good friends in place, you're wondering why I'm not working for AAFES?

Simple really, they have no voice in the hiring practices. Managers feel they have an obligation, to hire who is available locally. And that means that they hire local community family members, they will be gone in a few years, new person steps in, etc.....

I understand all of that, and I have no bad feelings about it. But it gets to be frustrating at times. Like when approaching someone for advice, and they have no clue how to help me out. Most of the questions that I ask, I already know the answer to. But the people that were hired?:rolleyes:

Nice to look at a "nice ass", but I'm rather more interested in buying some lenses for my camera, things that will help me maintain my camera, or other things that AAFES sells, without having to look for them on the local economy.

Another thing that I've noticed is that when you bring up a persons nationality, you're automatically labeled a racist. Back in the states, I've found some smart people of "all" nationalities, that have helped me out with my needs. I've stepped on them, and have asked to speak with someone "higher up in the food chain". That person was not always "White".

I've been known to post things which could be considered "controversial". But before you condemn me, send me a pm, asking why I've posted as I have. Most people don't bother, it's easier to jump on the "Band Wagon".

Bones

[SGT_OKINAWA]

As posted by prekteacher:



I'm not picking on anyone, as far as this thread goes. And I understand the hiring practices of AAFES.

I'm not a dependent, my wife is Okinawan, and she has no job for the simple reason that I don't want her to work. What I am criticizing, is the people who do the hiring, and their poor interpretation of the guidelines, as it relates to retirees.

I retired from the military almost 14 years ago, I'm already on island, live comfortably, and no moving expenses are required. I'm not seeking SOFA status, not looking to fill any important positions.

A part time job would be good for me, just so that I can buy some new toys.

The only thing that I was trying to convey in an earlier posting, is that I am a white guy, who has moved back over here at my own expense, and it's hard to find a job. I have a lot of Okinawan friends who work with AAFES, we're still good friends. And they do a heck of a job, when I need information about some things.

So with all of these good friends in place, you're wondering why I'm not working for AAFES?

Simple really, they have no voice in the hiring practices. Managers feel they have an obligation, to hire who is available locally. And that means that they hire local community family members, they will be gone in a few years, new person steps in, etc.....

I understand all of that, and I have no bad feelings about it. But it gets to be frustrating at times. Like when approaching someone for advice, and they have no clue how to help me out. Most of the questions that I ask, I already know the answer to. But the people that were hired?:rolleyes:

Nice to look at a "nice ass", but I'm rather more interested in buying some lenses for my camera, things that will help me maintain my camera, or other things that AAFES sells, without having to look for them on the local economy.

Another thing that I've noticed is that when you bring up a persons nationality, you're automatically labeled a racist. Back in the states, I've found some smart people of "all" nationalities, that have helped me out with my needs. I've stepped on them, and have asked to speak with someone "higher up in the food chain". That person was not always "White".

I've been known to post things which could be considered "controversial". But before you condemn me, send me a pm, asking why I've posted as I have. Most people don't bother, it's easier to jump on the "Band Wagon".

Bones

Bones - "I am a white guy,"

That has nothing to do with it.

Bones - "approaching someone for advice,
and they have no clue how to help me out."

LOL, then you have not been in the USA in
the last few years, AAFES is getting like
"crap Mart" (Wal-Mart), they too don't know
jack about the products they sell, I go through
the same crap here in the USA, deal with it.

Bones - "without having to look for them on the local economy."

Now you are comparing the efficient and proficient Japan sales
market to AAFES, LOL!! I almost craped myself when I read that.
Buck up pal, AAFES is not the expert in ANYTHING, they are a
mass quantity sales, period.

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SO your bitching about AAFES jobs, is any different than my bitching about DOD jobs that go to local hire?

Please.:rolleyes:

Why is it then that you can "get away with it, PM me" and don't get body slammed because you're picking on the "less then 1 percent the population of the JU forums."

But when I cry, "Local Hire DEPENDANT spouse" I'm made to look like a monster?

So freaking sad, notice ONE person fought back on this thread.

Where were all the JU members that body slammed me? huh?

Sad, just sad.:thumbdown:

*Hits the "No Thank You" button, 'twice' :D

Peace!:rolleyes:

[jrademacher]

Do yall hear that? The world's smallest violin to the tune of AAFES and spousal preference..

A certain complaint the right way about a frustration or a seemingly rigged system is understandable, but the constant complaint with no action and expectation of different results is the textbook definition of insanity.

I believe the system does have it flaws. Qualified people are dismissed in this system to SOFA dependents. So, with that being said something should be done about it. Is there a way to send a letter signed by a certain amount of people to the various HR departments, CC them to various state representatives, GOJ, and other agencies?

This action may not get the immediate results, but it will get people talking and the right people listening. It's an election year, perhaps some action could earn votes. This will take some coordination, but every complicated thing is worth doing and is a combination of simple tasks.

We have technology on our side. Internet, a forum of users with impeccable knowledge, and many many more skills. We should work together, help each other our to achieve a common goal. The objectives should be defined and then split up into groups or committees. The rest is exponential from there.

This may be a lot but at least there would be a first step with many more to follow. I think I can predict some common reactions of, "Many have tried this many times before with no results..." BUT my response is you can't change anything without trying and just complaining. We should do something about it. If enough people feel strongly about this, we should try to see what we can do to bring about some changes for the better.

It's worth a shot, something different is refreshing to me.

[SGT_OKINAWA]

We have technology on our side. Internet, a forum of users with impeccable knowledge, and many many more skills. We should work together, help each other our to achieve a common goal. The objectives should be defined and then split up into groups or committees. The rest is exponential from there.

Good luck, but please read this first:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp

Peace!:army:

[DOCROB]

The BIG and MAIN reason WHY Non-sofa people have a hard time trying to find a job on-base is because of the Spousal preference over here. You could be a Vet with 100% disability and claim vet pref and get your 10 extra points and you'll still be looked over and a military spouse will get the job. I think it sucks but that's life. I'm getting out of the Navy due to HYT and trying to find a job over here is difficult because of this very reason. Only when they need to scrape the bottom of the barrel will one of us be hired. If you really want to get a GS job over here you should get a GS job in the states first then try to transfer. If you are non-sofa and are trying to get a job on-base all I have to say is good luck! It will be next to impossible to get one due to the fack you can't get on-base unless your a retiree then that's a different story. DOC