Help - Parking ticket

[ukreal1]

I just got a yellow sticker on my car say it was abandoned or unattended (the rest is in Japanese), I parked it where there were no signs and a bunch of cars were there (outside Ginowan seaside pk - they weren't letting cars in). What do I do with this? Am I going to get a bill? If so, how do I fight it!HELP!

[Rossi46]

Take it to the police station and bring Y15,000 with you, afterwards you have to go to the bank to pay the ticket

[ukreal1]

as in like $150???
they have to be joking?
Who do you call to dispute it?

[Rossi46]

as in like $150???
they have to be joking?
Who do you call to dispute it?

Yeah $150.00, That's what it cost me a few years ago just off gate 2 street. I'm not sure how you go about fighting it, but I never heard of anybody getting any ticket dropped in my 10+ years in Japan (speeding or parking).

[hankypanky]

as in like $150???
they have to be joking?
Who do you call to dispute it?

Your Mama, that's the only person who will listen.. Sympathy at the police station is in their dictionary between shit and syphilis.....pay your ticket.

[Bones]

As posted by Ukreal1:

as in like $150???
they have to be joking?
Who do you call to dispute it?

Yep, like $150.00 (depending on the yen rate).

Who do you call? Anyone you like, if you have a cell phone. And, after you get your car back. Which you won't, until you pay the fine.

Bones

[Rossi46]

I think the meter maids place bets on how many Y plates they can real in. The time I got my ticket I was illegally parked behind three other illegally parked Kanji plates. I was the only lucky winner of the group.

[Bones]

As posted by Rossi46:

I think the meter maids place bets on how many Y plates they can real in. The time I got my ticket I was illegally parked behind three other illegally parked Kanji plates. I was the only lucky winner of the group.


I just love how they are tightening the loophole.

Do something stupid, expect to pay for it.:army:

[Rossi46]

As posted by Rossi46:



I just love how they are tightening the loophole.

Do something stupid, expect to pay for it.:army:

umm okay, I paid my ticket what's you point?

Is this some father son advice or something...thanks pops

[P_chan]

It all depends. Sure some might look for Y plates, but I've seen them ticket equally. There was a bunch of cars parked outside sunabe gyro (no parking zone) and the cops went inside each business and told everyone to move their cars before they started ticketing all of them. They went down the line and if you didn't move your car soon enough, you got a ticket. Saw both Y and hiragana plates get ticketed that day.

Who do you call to dispute it?LOL man that's the funniest thing I've heard all day! No offense, but trying to get a parking or speeding ticket dismissed is like pissing in the wind. You might even loose your on base drivers license. Yep that's right, after you pay a ticket off base you get in trouble for it again on base.

[Bones]

@ P_Chan:

Thank you, son.

Without your back, the other folks would think that I was just making things up.

Or wasting other peoples time for trying to get rid of a parking ticket, that they actually deserved.

Sheesh....:army:

[P_chan]

@ P_Chan:

Thank you, son.

Without your back, the other folks would think that I was just making things up.

Or wasting other peoples time for trying to get rid of a parking ticket, that they actually deserved.

Sheesh....:army:

I have yet to see someone get a parking ticket on island and NOT deserve it. Sure you may not have known you couldn't park there, but why should anyone cut you any slack? Though they do go a little overboard with brining it back on base and getting you in trouble again.

[DoctorP]

I have yet to see someone get a parking ticket on island and NOT deserve it. Sure you may not have known you couldn't park there, but why should anyone cut you any slack? Though they do go a little overboard with brining it back on base and getting you in trouble again.

I've never heard/seen anyone get in trouble on base for an off base parking ticket...or even a speeding ticket. But I know that the police liason on base will contact you to ensure that you paid your fine.

[Carl]

It's not hard to imagine some cops being more strict on Y plates. I've seen way too many Y plates driving like complete assholes. Yes, there are asshole hiragana plate drivers too, but the ratio of asshole Y plates to asshole hiragana plates is far from even (I have no facts to back that up. Just my own observation).

If I was a cop, I'd probably be scrutinizing Y plates a little more heavily too when it comes to things like speeding and reckless driving (which is what I see the most) since I've been infuriated on the road mostly by Y plates and about 75% of the accidents I've seen have involved a Y plate. I'd be real strict about other things too: red light runners (Japanese people must have like a 3 second lag in their brain) and illegal parkers (within reason). I understand the parking situation here sucks, but if you're taking up half a lane and causing problems for traffic, you deserve to be ticketed. It's not hard to park a little further up the road and burn a few calories to walk to where you're trying to go.

[P_chan]

I've never heard/seen anyone get in trouble on base for an off base parking ticket...or even a speeding ticket. But I know that the police liason on base will contact you to ensure that you paid your fine.

This is how it's done on kadena, in my squadron at least. Heard it was supposed to be base wide and I've seen it implemented. Had a few individuals who have gotten speeding or parking tickets off base, paid the fine, then had their license taken away on base.

[DoctorP]

It's not hard to imagine some cops being more strict on Y plates. I've seen way too many Y plates driving like complete assholes. Yes, there are asshole hiragana plate drivers too, but the ratio of asshole Y plates to asshole hiragana plates is far from even (I have no facts to back that up. Just my own observation).

If I was a cop, I'd probably be scrutinizing Y plates a little more heavily too when it comes to things like speeding and reckless driving (which is what I see the most) since I've been infuriated on the road mostly by Y plates and about 75% of the accidents I've seen have involved a Y plate. I'd be real strict about other things too: red light runners (Japanese people must have like a 3 second lag in their brain) and illegal parkers (within reason). I understand the parking situation here sucks, but if you're taking up half a lane and causing problems for traffic, you deserve to be ticketed. It's not hard to park a little further up the road and burn a few calories to walk to where you're trying to go.


Of course they tend to target Y plates more. I'm pretty sure that most local police and state troopers in the US target "out of towners" when they look for a chance to write tickets.

Makes good sense. Increase revenue, be seen performing a duty, cause other drivers to slow down because of said duty, and not alienate your local constituints. Win win for the police...only loser is the Y-plate with the ticket! :D

[DoctorP]

This is how it's done on kadena, in my squadron at least. Heard it was supposed to be base wide and I've seen it implemented. Had a few individuals who have gotten speeding or parking tickets off base, paid the fine, then had their license taken away on base.

Aren't your licenses issued at Foster as well?

I've had several tickets, paid the fine, liason contacted me, all was well. Not even points assessed on my base license at all.

Now...if you were going fast enough to constitute wreckless driving...then that is another story...say 160k/hr ...then I would understand. Or a D&D offense. But not just a parking ticket or "regular" speeding ticket. Hell, I average 3 tickets a year and never had a point on base.

[TheLastDon]

Of course they tend to target Y plates more. I'm pretty sure that most local police and state troopers in the US target "out of towners" when they look for a chance to write tickets.

Makes good sense. Increase revenue, be seen performing a duty, cause other drivers to slow down because of said duty, and not alienate your local constituints. Win win for the police...only loser is the Y-plate with the ticket! :D

Hey I got pulled over when I was visiting family in the US. I had a rental car with out of state plates and was driving around at 1 am. He said he was making a sobriety check. :ohmy:

[Rossi46]

Aren't your licenses issued at Foster as well?

I've had several tickets, paid the fine, liason contacted me, all was well. Not even points assessed on my base license at all.

Now...if you were going fast enough to constitute wreckless driving...then that is another story...say 160k/hr ...then I would understand. Or a D&D offense. But not just a parking ticket or "regular" speeding ticket. Hell, I average 3 tickets a year and never had a point on base.

My troop got a parking ticket offbase, paid the fine and then the base hit her for 3 points and that put her over on points for 6 months. She is walking for the next 30 days. It might be just a Kadena thing.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Now...if you were going fast enough to constitute wreckless driving...then that is another story...
Wreckless driving - yup! :D
Reckless driving - ok, that too! :star:

[DoctorP]

thank you dictionary police...anything else to say? maybe about the OP? :rolleyes:

[Gerle]

wreckless drivingis awesome. Now reckless driving on the other hand...

[DoctorP]

is awesome. Now reckless driving on the other hand...


already noted...you missed the train.

Give credit where credit is due. (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137391&postcount=21)

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

thank you dictionary police...anything else to say? maybe about the OP? :rolleyes:
As has been noted many times previous...

http://ganjataz.com/general-bollocks/images/by-GT/forum-shitz/pot-kettle-black.jpg

[P_chan]

Aren't your licenses issued at Foster as well?

I've had several tickets, paid the fine, liason contacted me, all was well. Not even points assessed on my base license at all.

Now...if you were going fast enough to constitute wreckless driving...then that is another story...say 160k/hr ...then I would understand. Or a D&D offense. But not just a parking ticket or "regular" speeding ticket. Hell, I average 3 tickets a year and never had a point on base.

But you're not in the military now are you DrP? No, our licenses are not issued at foster either. I think it has something to do with the points on your license on base. I don't know how many it takes to get your license taken away. But maybe a ticket off base gets you enough points on your SOFA license that it can be taken away? Not sure, but I've seen first time offenses get parking tickets off base and have there license taken away.

Same thing goes for talking on your cell phone and driver. Get caught once, they take your license away.

[Gerle]

already noted...you missed the train.
Some trains are better missed...


That's what happens when you start to post and get sidetracked. Doesn't lessen the sweetness at all!

[DoctorP]

But you're not in the military now are you DrP? No, our licenses are not issued at foster either. I think it has something to do with the points on your license on base. I don't know how many it takes to get your license taken away. But maybe a ticket off base gets you enough points on your SOFA license that it can be taken away? Not sure, but I've seen first time offenses get parking tickets off base and have there license taken away.

Same thing goes for talking on your cell phone and driver. Get caught once, they take your license away.

No, I am not military, but I was during some of the past offenses...and my license is issued by the military (SOFA license). It may very well be that I've been lucky, or it could be a AF thing. I know if it is a serious offense, then you can go before the SJA or traffic court on base and they may levee points, but my original point is that I do not believe that a parking ticket will get points assessed to your on base license.

[Oxmix]

You need diplomatic status. :D

Regards

Ox

[P_chan]

No, I am not military, but I was during some of the past offenses...and my license is issued by the military (SOFA license). It may very well be that I've been lucky, or it could be a AF thing. I know if it is a serious offense, then you can go before the SJA or traffic court on base and they may levee points, but my original point is that I do not believe that a parking ticket will get points assessed to your on base license.

It might be an AF only thing, or something the started within the last year or so. But you will get points on your license for off base offenses.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I dunno about state-to-state rules & regs, but to me a parking ticket is far short of a "moving violation". Points...only in Japan?!

[Niner7]

I got a ticket off base on the express way, going way too fast. i paid my $350 and went home, never heard about it again. never got into trouble nothin... I also did not offer the information to anyone either. keep your mouth shut...and you should be fine.

also accept that you are an american in japan, a minority and nothing will change it. ever.

sorry

[socalheart]

I received a parking ticket when parked in a marked parking space without a "No Parking" sign in front of it. (There's actually a whoe thread about it here somewhere.) I had to go to the police station with the ticket, fill out a form, receive a ticket, then go to the post office (or bank) to pay it. If you were in an unmarked space, the fine could be Y18,000. There's a website on the other thread that gives you the range of fines. There is no way around it. There is no one to call to dispute it. There is nothing to do but pay it. :(

[hankypanky]

I got a ticket off base on the express way, going way too fast. i paid my $350 and went home, never heard about it again. never got into trouble nothin... I also did not offer the information to anyone either. keep your mouth shut...and you should be fine.

also accept that you are an american in japan, a minority and nothing will change it. ever.

sorry

Don't ya know minorities stick out more than the "norm". Keep your mouth shut ain't gonna do anything except stop the gossip. Also, all violations, moving that is, is reported to the base traffic office. What they do is their business. Guess it depends on the local commander. You protect democracy, not practice it.

[P_chan]

Hey look, they ticketed a hiragana plate outside of sunabe gyros! See, told you it wasn't only Y plates. Actually, not a Y plate in sight!:D

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1207/sa3a0058dc1.jpg

[DoctorP]

P..it's dangerous to take pictures while driving!

[P_chan]

I was stopped, with the hazards on:D

[Rossi46]

You must have a lot of free time on your hands...lol

[Bones]

I've never gotten a speeding ticket, nor a parking ticket while living over here. And during that time we've owned both y-plate cars, and Japanese plates.

If I do get one, it will be my fault. But I probably won't be looking for people to help me beat the ticket that I would have been issued due to my own stupity.

Live, and learn. And don't come whining if you get a ticket for doing something that you know is wrong.

Bones

[P_chan]

You must have a lot of free time on your hands...lol

Not really. Just heading back from diving and saw that car so I took a quick picture with my cell.

[dk]

Not really. Just heading back from diving and saw that car so I took a quick picture with my cell.
Thanks for picking me up some gyros, ass...

[P_chan]

Thanks for picking me up some gyros, ass...

Get a job you lazy free loader:old:

[dk]

Get a job you lazy free loader:old:
I have a job! I work for JU!

[hankypanky]

I have a job! I work for JU!

That's a job?:scratchchin:

[ukreal1]

what a bunch of moronic tossers some of you on here are. (To the rest, who just gave me decent advice, thanks) I am very careful about parking, in fact, this is the first parking ticket I have gotten in 15 yrs. I have been here 4 mths, there were no signs as far as I could see and I looked. The reason I ask about disputing it, is because in England you can dispute tickets and win. I thought I would just ask, and no, I don't deserve the god damn ticket and no, I am not stupid. Nor American. I now realize I am just part of another corrupt scamming government. 15,000 Yen, that is ridiculous. And then, crap from on base, RIDICULOUS BS.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I have been here 4 mths, there were no signs as far as I could see and I looked.
No signs often means...no parking! Bothered to learn the local traffic laws?

The reason I ask about disputing it, is because in England you can dispute tickets and win.But you're not in Jolly Olde England now, Dorothy...

I don't deserve the god damn ticket and no, I am not stupid.Debatable.

I now realize I am just part of another corrupt scamming government. 15,000 Yen, that is ridiculous.If you are "part of the government", why not just take care of the ticket with your contacts on the inside?

[P_chan]

what a bunch of moronic tossers some of you on here are. (To the rest, who just gave me decent advice, thanks) I am very careful about parking, in fact, this is the first parking ticket I have gotten in 15 yrs. I have been here 4 mths, there were no signs as far as I could see and I looked. The reason I ask about disputing it, is because in England you can dispute tickets and win. I thought I would just ask, and no, I don't deserve the god damn ticket and no, I am not stupid. Nor American. I now realize I am just part of another corrupt scamming government. 15,000 Yen, that is ridiculous. And then, crap from on base, RIDICULOUS BS.

Moronic tossers? Hmmmm.......I've never got a parking ticket before.

No sign? Then don't risk it! Parking is a luxury in japan, don't expect to be able to park wherever you want to. As far as not deserving it, you did park in a no parking zone. Call me crazy but it seems fair that for parking in a no parking zone you'd get a parking ticket. As far as you "not being stupid" well that's not for me to decide.

See any of these signs?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Japanese_Road_sign_%28No_Parking%29.svg/470px-Japanese_Road_sign_%28No_Parking%29.svg.png
That one means you can stop, but no parking

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Japanese_Road_sign_%28No_Parking_or_Stopping%29.sv g/470px-Japanese_Road_sign_%28No_Parking_or_Stopping%29.sv g.png
The second one means no parking or stopping. Keep that in mind next time you fell like parking wherever you want to :rolleyes:

[Rossi46]

Those signs are not posted in every no parking zone P_chan, surely of all ppl you would know this "Mr Okinawa" the lady is new here and didnt know the rules as clearly as you do. Now she knows and will pay for it.

[DougP]

Those signs are not posted in every no parking zone P_chan, surely of all ppl you would know this "Mr Okinawa" the lady is new here and didnt know the rules as clearly as you do. Now she knows and will pay for it.

I thought you had to know the rules/laws before being able to drive a car let alone parking one.:scratchchin:

[Rossi46]

lol the 20 min Japan drivers education from the base? hmm

[P_chan]

Those signs are not posted in every no parking zone P_chan, surely of all ppl you would know this "Mr Okinawa" the lady is new here and didnt know the rules as clearly as you do. Now she knows and will pay for it.

They might not be on every block, but if you can do a 360 and spot on in the distance, then you probably shouldn't park there. Good rule of thumb if you don't see one is to not park there as well. After all, would you just park on the side of the street back in the states? I know I wouldn't!

LOL Mr. Okinawa:confused:! I knew once I first got to the island that I couldn't just park on the side of the street or wherever I wanted to. You know why? Common sense told me that I wasn't in the states anymore and that the rules were different. Since I didn't know the rules, I didn't risk it. Nor did I assume that it was the same as it was back in the states. Common sense also told me that in a place where parking is scarce, it might not be a good idea to park in front of somebody's residence or on a busy street. A little thinking goes a long way!

[P_chan]

lol the 20 min Japan drivers education from the base? hmm

Exactly, it should take more to get a license over here. But hey, at least I paid attention once they went over the signs.

[dk]

Exactly, it should take more to get a license over here. But hey, at least I paid attention once they went over the signs.
It took me significantly more than 20 minutes to get my license.

[DougP]

lol the 20 min Japan drivers education from the base? hmm

You are correct, they do hand those out to just about anybody with a pulse. And then those beating, bleeding hearts fuss about getting a ticket and offer up the same "But I didn't know the rules.." defense.:D Guess they could add "But they just gave me this license, I thought everything I needed to know was in that 20 minute test." Eh they're just laws right? Cram for that SOFA license and then forget it all later while you're on the road. Sure lots of people do it. We all forget some things here and there. But when some of us mess up and realize we should have paid more attention and ignorance is not an excuse, we man up and take our lickings.

[Hollarey]

I parked in front of a park along with some Japanese plates and this was the second time I parked there. Yup, I got slapped with a ticket; $150. Yeah, I bitched, I moaned but I also paid the ticket. Opened my eyes more to parking off base.
This was 2 years ago and I didn't get any points or lectured on base. My husband did receive an email that they were aware of the ticket and that I had so many days to pay it.

[Rossi46]

You are correct, they do hand those out to just about anybody with a pulse. And then those beating, bleeding hearts fuss about getting a ticket and offer up the same "But I didn't know the rules.." defense.:D Guess they could add "But they just gave me this license, I thought everything I needed to know was in that 20 minute test." Eh they're just laws right? Cram for that SOFA license and then forget it all later while you're on the road. Sure lots of people do it. We all forget some things here and there. But when some of us mess up and realize we should have paid more attention and ignorance is not an excuse, we man up and take our lickings.


I'm not bitching or whining at all about my parking ticket. I knew I was guilty as soon as I shut the door. I was willing to chance it and I lost. $150.00 isn’t a lot of money to me. I was a tad whiny about getting 3 points on base for it and getting held to a higher standard than the Japanese cars parked in the same spot that didn’t get a ticket, but I have come to expect stuff like this in Okinawa.

Only one or two people on here helped the OP buy letting him/her know about how much it would cost, where to pay etc... The other posts where just LOL@U dumb American dependant. They are obviously new to Okinawa and might not know the process as well as some of us. There are countries out there where you can fight tickets or at least explain your case to the cops. It never hurts to ask right? Or maybe it does if you want 5 pages of flame.

[DougP]

I'm not bitching or whining at all about my parking ticket. I knew I was guilty as soon as I shut the door. I was willing to chance it and I lost. $150.00 isn’t a lot of money to me. I was a tad whiny about getting 3 points on base for it and getting held to a higher standard than the Japanese cars parked in the same spot that didn’t get a ticket, but I have come to expect stuff like this Okinawa.

Only one or two people on here helped the OP buy letting him/her know about how much it would cost, where to pay etc... The other posts where just LOL@U dumb American dependant. They are obviously new to Okinawa and might not know the process as well as some of us. There are countries out there where you can fight tickets or at least explain your case to the cops. It never hurts to ask right? Or maybe it does if you want 5 pages of flame.

Wasn't saying you were bitching nor was I ever replying to the OP. My comments were directed mostly at the "I didn't know" excuse(that kept coming up) as it pertains to the rules of the road here in Japan. You even hinted at a lack of knowhow being presented in the 20 min Japan drivers education from the base. I think that's pretty crappy. I mean, just learn a few basics and you're off? Again I thought you had to know the rules/laws before being able to drive a car let alone parking one. Obviously not but don't you feel as though it would be an important part of acquiring a license? It has nothing to do with being a smart American or dumb American in my opinion. It has to do with being a responsible driver. The OP, it seems made an honest mistake and I'm not trying to flame him/her. Even honest mistakes carry consequenses as I'm sure the OP is now well aware of. Who knows, maybe he or she can dispute it although I am unaware of any past attempts to do so. Hope you see now what it was I was getting at.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Too bad the guy/gal in the OP didn't spend all of 30 seconds checking the State Department website before driving in Japan...

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1148.html

Some hi-lites:
Driving in Japan is quite complicated and expensive. Those who cannot read the language will have trouble understanding road signs.

There is virtually no legal roadside parking.

Turns at red lights are forbidden, unless specifically authorized.

Japanese law provides that all persons who drive in Japan are held liable in the event of an accident, and assesses fault in an accident on all parties.

The National Police Agency (NPA) oversees the administration and enforcement of traffic laws. Further information in English is available on the NPA's web site at http://www.npa.go.jp/english/index.htm.

Please refer to our Road Safety (http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/safety/safety_1179.html) page for more information.

In addition, information about roadside assistance, rules of the road and obtaining a Japanese driver's license is available in English from the Japan Automobile Federation (JAF) web site at http://www.jaf.or.jp/e/index.htm.

[Bones]

As posted by DougP:

My comments were directed mostly at the "I didn't know" excuse(that kept coming up) as it pertains to the rules of the road here in Japan. You even hinted at a lack of knowhow being presented in the 20 min Japan drivers education from the base. I think that's pretty crappy. I mean, just learn a few basics and you're off? Again I thought you had to know the rules/laws before being able to drive a car let alone parking one. Obviously not but don't you feel as though it would be an important part of acquiring a license? It has nothing to do with being a smart American or dumb American in my opinion.

I agree with you 100%, Doug. The "I didn't know" thing set me off as well. As a former 1'st Sgt, that comment didn't cut it with me. If you mess up, admit to it and be prepared for the consequences. If you make a mistake and own up to it, it will be better for you in the long run.

Obviously not but don't you feel as though it would be an important part of acquiring a license?

Hmm, I've been stationed all over the world. In my experience, and it doesn't matter which countries that I've been stationed in, once they get their license and start driving, common sense leaves the building until they are caught.

You can see this for yourself while driving on-base, and someone is pulled over for a speeding ticket. You can see it off-base, while their cars are surrounded by both Military Police, and Japanese Police vehicles at an accident scene. Someone was responsibe for the accident, and someone will have to pay the price.

As the Op himself stated:

I knew I was guilty as soon as I shut the door. I was willing to chance it and I lost. $150.00 isn’t a lot of money to me.

He goes on to say that some people have helped him, and calls everyone else flamers, or morons.

Looking at his own words, you have to wonder who the real "MORON" is.:rolleyes:

Bones

[Rossi46]

As the Op himself stated:



He goes on to say that some people have helped him, and calls everyone else flamers, or morons.

Looking at his own words, you have to wonder who the real "MORON" is.:rolleyes:

Bones

First off, I'm not the OP, nor did I ever once claim that anybody helped me with anything. I never asked for help and I never ever tried to beat a ticket I'm clearly guilty of. I didn't call anybody on here a MORON or a flamer. I guess you like to make up shit and ramble about it.. You're cleary lost in this thread old man, please READ it all again LOL

Yes! you do have to wonder who the "REAL" moron is

[Jimmy Hoffa]

let me guess you have a Y plate huh!
Wouldnt have happen to a Kanji plate:-|
saw one parked ILLEGALLY in front of A KOBAN with 2 policemen inside reading newspapers:-|

Yea the hell it does happen. I got a parking ticket in a kanji plate. Same situation as well, no noparking sign or anything. :barf:

[ukreal1]

No signs often means...no parking! Bothered to learn the local traffic laws?

But you're not in Jolly Olde England now, Dorothy...

Debatable.

If you are "part of the government", why not just take care of the ticket with your contacts on the inside?

Oh god you are so funny, a-hole (which isn't debatable)

[ukreal1]

Moronic tossers? Hmmmm.......I've never got a parking ticket before.

No sign? Then don't risk it! Parking is a luxury in japan, don't expect to be able to park wherever you want to. As far as not deserving it, you did park in a no parking zone. Call me crazy but it seems fair that for parking in a no parking zone you'd get a parking ticket. As far as you "not being stupid" well that's not for me to decide.

See any of these signs?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Japanese_Road_sign_%28No_Parking%29.svg/470px-Japanese_Road_sign_%28No_Parking%29.svg.png
That one means you can stop, but no parking

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Japanese_Road_sign_%28No_Parking_or_Stopping%29.sv g/470px-Japanese_Road_sign_%28No_Parking_or_Stopping%29.sv g.png
The second one means no parking or stopping. Keep that in mind next time you fell like parking wherever you want to :rolleyes:

No, P-chan, I did not see any of these signs, as I mentioned, I am not stupid, c,mon now.

[ukreal1]

Too bad the guy/gal in the OP didn't spend all of 30 seconds checking the State Department website before driving in Japan...

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1148.html

Some hi-lites:

Don't worry, a-hole, your time will come, you are a real nasty piece of virtual work

[ukreal1]

As posted by DougP:



I agree with you 100%, Doug. The "I didn't know" thing set me off as well. As a former 1'st Sgt, that comment didn't cut it with me. If you mess up, admit to it and be prepared for the consequences. If you make a mistake and own up to it, it will be better for you in the long run.



Hmm, I've been stationed all over the world. In my experience, and it doesn't matter which countries that I've been stationed in, once they get their license and start driving, common sense leaves the building until they are caught.

You can see this for yourself while driving on-base, and someone is pulled over for a speeding ticket. You can see it off-base, while their cars are surrounded by both Military Police, and Japanese Police vehicles at an accident scene. Someone was responsibe for the accident, and someone will have to pay the price.

As the Op himself stated:



He goes on to say that some people have helped him, and calls everyone else flamers, or morons.

Looking at his own words, you have to wonder who the real "MORON" is.:rolleyes:

Bones

I have to agree with Rossi, you seem a tad confused, I thought I would post a pic of you:old:
what's being a former 1st sgt got to do with anything anyway...get a grip

[P_chan]

No, P-chan, I did not see any of these signs, as I mentioned, I am not stupid, c,mon now.

Did you see that link that eel posted saying you can't park on the side of the road? Or were you too busy calling him an asshole? Well, at least now you can't claim to be stupid after seeing eel's tips and my examples of no parking signs. Next time just watch where you park.

[thistle]

Don't worry, a-hole, your time will come, you are a real nasty piece of virtual work


Thing is not to take too much notice of eele, UKreal.

See he is our regular news/google reporter.

You will notice that anything he posts is from google/cnn/bbc/youtube.

I have been here forever but although I don't know where you parked, if there were other cars parked there and no signs about I know I may have parked there too.

But I was ticketed twice during my 14years here, and tend not to take risks
anymore. If your car had been towed you would have had to pay double that.

[thistle]

Did you see that link that eel posted saying you can't park on the side of the road? Or were you too busy calling him an asshole? Well, at least now you can't claim to be stupid after seeing eel's tips and my examples of no parking signs. Next time just watch where you park.

And P-chan, I think you need to lighten up:-|

The poster said there were NO signs!

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

T.I.J.! No signs...no parking!

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

BTW, they used to chalk the tyres in Japan, so you could get back and move your vehicle before being ticketed. Usually a 10-15 minute window was provided. Also, officers in the middle of writing a ticket would stop and let you leave (tear up the ticket) if you came back before they finished and stuck it to your window.

The private contractors don't do that. Take a quick digi pic, slap that ticket on, and yer done.

[Old Timer]

Don't worry, a-hole, your time will come, you are a real nasty piece of virtual work

My dear Lord Fauntleroy _ You will find no friends here bashing authority or looking for favor, best endowed on the worthy. Good day to you SIR!:cursing:

(He who hesitates is losed or towed!)

[P_chan]

And P-chan, I think you need to lighten up:-|

The poster said there were NO signs!

No signs = don't park there. Nothing to even get serious about. She/he parked in a no parking spot, so they got a ticket. You really can't refute the parking ticket because she comitted the offense. Now they know what the signs look like and not to park where ever they want to. Problem solved!

Whenever I'm looking for a parking space down in naha I make sure not to park anywhere but a paid parking lot. You know why? Because you can't just park on the side of the street or in the parking lot of a business if you're not there to shop at that business. A paid parking lot is the best way to go. Don't like it? Oh well! That's how it is over here and you have to just live with it.

[ukreal1]

well P-chan, I wasn't in Naha, I already know to park in paid spots in Naha...and I don't know how it works over here, in all the other places I have visited in my life, if there is no sign it is fine to park, that makes sense to me...
another thing, the police were right there where I parked, they can't do their job and tell me I can't park there? Or they need to line their corrupt pockets...

[ukreal1]

Did you see that link that eel posted saying you can't park on the side of the road? Or were you too busy calling him an asshole? Well, at least now you can't claim to be stupid after seeing eel's tips and my examples of no parking signs. Next time just watch where you park.

well I obviously saw it now, but most people do not come here and go to the state dept. website, they are too busy enrolling their kids in school, finding somewhere to live, etc, etc...and he's not an asshole he's an ARSEHOLE. And you are so perfect too, aren't you, have a *nice* day:grin1:

[DoctorP]

well P-chan, I wasn't in Naha, I already know to park in paid spots in Naha...and I don't know how it works over here, in all the other places I have visited in my life, if there is no sign it is fine to park, that makes sense to me...
another thing, the police were right there where I parked, they can't do their job and tell me I can't park there? Or they need to line their corrupt pockets...

P is just saying that everyone goes through the driving class before you get a license. Plus you are given that little book to peruse. The information is covered. Of course you didn't see the info on the State Dept site, because unless you are an expat you most likely won't. Most of the military get enough classes about coming to Okinawa, the last thing that they think of is visiting the State Dept website.

[P_chan]

well P-chan, I wasn't in Naha, I already know to park in paid spots in Naha...and I don't know how it works over here, in all the other places I have visited in my life, if there is no sign it is fine to park, that makes sense to me...
another thing, the police were right there where I parked, they can't do their job and tell me I can't park there? Or they need to line their corrupt pockets...

Over here? You mean anywhere on the island? Because the rules apply to everywhere on the island, not just naha. And all the places I've lived in my life it is not ok to just park on the side of the road where ever you feel like (except near a residence).

Corrupt pockets:rolleyes:. Are you now accusing the cops of being corrupt because you don't know how to follow parking rules? So what if the JPs saw you park there. Maybe you shouldn't have assumed that it was ok to park there just because the JPs saw you park there. So if I speed by a cop in the oppsite direction and he decided not to follow me, that means it's ok to speed?

[P_chan]

well I obviously saw it now, but most people do not come here and go to the state dept. website, they are too busy enrolling their kids in school, finding somewhere to live, etc, etc...and he's not an asshole he's an ARSEHOLE. And you are so perfect too, aren't you, have a *nice* day:grin1:

No, but most people at least learn the basic rules of the road and don't assume that the driving regulations in their home country apply to everywhere in the world. A busy schedule is not an excuse for learning the basic rules of the road over here.

No I'm not perfect, nor did I allude to being perfect. But at least I've never gotten a parking ticket over here:thumbup:.

[macker]

WOW...

They give parking tickets in Japan??

I am shocked.

<Must research state dept website for further info about Japan that I need to knwow>

[P_chan]

WOW...

They give parking tickets in Japan??

I am shocked.

<Must research state dept website for further info about Japan that I need to knwow>

I heard they drive on the wrong side of the road too:scared:

[macker]

I've been wondering why I'm always being honked at and people waving wildly at me!!

[dk]

Corrupt pockets:rolleyes:. Are you now accusing the cops of being corrupt because you don't know how to follow parking rules?
LMAO...:first:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

well I obviously saw it now, but most people do not come here and go to the state dept. website, they are too busy enrolling their kids in school, finding somewhere to live, etc, etc...and he's not an asshole he's an ARSEHOLE. And you are so perfect too, aren't you, have a *nice* day:grin1:
That's right. Most people are busy after they get here, so they check BEFORE they come. If you can spare the time to complain about it here, you could have spared the 30 seconds I mentioned to check the rules out first. The intense bitterness coming from you does not bode well for you adjusting to your new surroundings. You are in East Asia now. Other side of the world and all that. Sink or swim!

[ukreal1]

That's right. Most people are busy after they get here, so they check BEFORE they come. If you can spare the time to complain about it here, you could have spared the 30 seconds I mentioned to check the rules out first. The intense bitterness coming from you does not bode well for you adjusting to your new surroundings. You are in East Asia now. Other side of the world and all that. Sink or swim!

you're damn right I'm bitter, I am bitter more because I asked FOR HELP not to be slammed, and sorry to say I have probably traveled more around this world than you would bother to read on a globe. And no, MOST people do not check these things and if you think they do you are kidding you oh so shallow self...Oh and trust me I swim so I wn't see you at the bottom

[Sex Wax]

you're damn right I'm bitter, I am bitter more because I asked FOR HELP not to be slammed, and sorry to say I have probably traveled more around this world than you would bother to read on a globe. And no, MOST people do not check these things and if you think they do you are kidding you oh so shallow self...Oh and trust me I swim so I wn't see you at the bottom

Dude...I swim also ! But usually I just pay my parking tickets. Even if you dont pay as soon as you get a ticket, eventually the police will trace you through your plate # and notify your command, which in turn will notify you. If you have no command like me, you will get a notice like 3 months later in the mail. Keep swimming bro, the waters nice.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

No, you came here to arrogantly complain about the horrible Japanese, and look for a way to weasel out of paying a fine you got for doing something illegal here. If there was a police officer nearby as you stated, you easily could have asked if it was ok to park there. Just as speeding in front of a peace officer will get you a ticket (whether or not the legal limit is posted!), illegal parking will net the same result. Your other experience means jack-shit if you can't adjust to the here and now.

[ukreal1]

No, but most people at least learn the basic rules of the road and don't assume that the driving regulations in their home country apply to everywhere in the world. A busy schedule is not an excuse for learning the basic rules of the road over here.

No I'm not perfect, nor did I allude to being perfect. But at least I've never gotten a parking ticket over here:thumbup:.

ohhhh, how clever you are, I must give you a lollipop...I think I know basic rules of the road, you clicky lot just like to jump on people. It is common sense if there is no sign, you can park but obviously over here is different. Believe me, I immerse myself in this culture much more than the average person that comes here, so I don't have issues with adjusting, thanks for the concern, E.

[ukreal1]

No, you came here to arrogantly complain about the horrible Japanese, and look for a way to weasel out of paying a fine you got for doing something illegal here. If there was a police officer nearby as you stated, you easily could have asked if it was ok to park there. Just as speeding in front of a peace officer will get you a ticket (whether or not the legal limit is posted!), illegal parking will net the same result. Your other experience means jack-shit if you can't adjust to the here and now.

Never, once, did I mention horrible Japanese, in fact I love living here and love the culture, however, I was shocked to get a ticket where there were no signs posted and shocked again at the fee. And I do believe that governments are corrupt, all of them, so sorry about that. Yes, I will pay it and yes, I have learnt, but you need to keep a check on your own nasty attitude, it's not doing too much for you. And Wax, if you check my profile I am a mother, therefore, not a bro.

[Sex Wax]

And Wax, if you check my profile I am a mother, therefore, not a bro.

Oh...my bad. Ma'am then.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

ohhhh, how clever you are, I must give you a lollipop...I think I know basic rules of the road, you clicky lot just like to jump on people. It is common sense if there is no sign, you can park but obviously over here is different. Believe me, I immerse myself in this culture much more than the average person that comes here, so I don't have issues with adjusting, thanks for the concern, E.
Cultural immersion - Lesson 1: rules of the road. Lesson 2: Humble pie

http://www.azeats.com/humblepie/images/humblepie-logo.gif

[ukreal1]

Cultural immersion - Lesson 1: rules of the road. Lesson 2: Humble pie

http://www.azeats.com/humblepie/images/humblepie-logo.gif

Oh, I would love to meet you, see how 'cultured' you actually are...
actually: #1 is culture of the people, no one really gives a toss about the rd...except which side to drive. Except maybe (implied in case I get an infraction) weirdos like you...

[Crazysix]

cant we all just get along........

[socalheart]

... you will get a notice like 3 months later in the mail.

I received a notice about the ticket in the mail the day after I paid the ticket, which was about a month after the ticket was issued. Be sure you keep that paperwork and the receipts showing that you paid the ticket all together, just in case it comes back to bite you in the buttocks before you leave the island. :argh14:

[macker]

cant we all just get along........

Nope....

Because.....

1) I have adapted more to the local culture than you
2) I am accepted more into the local culture than you
3) I know more about all things involving the local culture than you
4) I'm almost an honorary citizen of <insert country in question here>
5) I've been here for almost <enter some # here> years and I've seen all and know all about <enter country/event/people/bar/festival/rule of the road/anything else you can think of> so you are just not as good as me.
6) I am the lone guardian of this local culture and I take it as a personal responsibility to defend against any comments/statements made about <insert culture/island/country/people>

7) . "I am over-educated and way too smart and way more thoughtful than you military losers" (edited that to be more BROAD)

Well.... I think this sums up a lot of this forum, at least 90% of the flaming that goes on anyway!! :grin1:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Oh, I would love to meet you, see how 'cultured' you actually are...
actually: #1 is culture of the people, no one really gives a toss about the rd...except which side to drive. Except maybe (implied in case I get an infraction) weirdos like you...
Got ourselves another one!

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_116/1169929951oI24GE.jpg

[Sex Wax]

I received a notice about the ticket in the mail the day after I paid the ticket, which was about a month after the ticket was issued. Be sure you keep that paperwork and the receipts showing that you paid the ticket all together, just in case it comes back to bite you in the buttocks before you leave the island. :argh14:

That is true. I did get one in the mail after I paid it also. that was one I got as SOFA. I had one when I was not SOFA and I forgot about it, and I got a notification in the mail as well, then I went and paid it.

[thistle]

I heard they drive on the wrong side of the road too:scared:

No left is the correct side of the road as far as I'm concerned..it is the rest of the world who drive on the 'wrong' side.

[thistle]

Is the problem here because she didn't put it in the 'rants & raves' section??

[Asshat]

Nope....

Because.....

1) I have adapted more to the local culture than you
2) I am accepted more into the local culture than you
3) I know more about all things involving the local culture than you
4) I'm almost an honorary citizen of <insert country in question here>
5) I've been here for almost <enter some # here> years and I've seen all and know all about <enter country/event/people/bar/festival/rule of the road/anything else you can think of> so you are just not as good as me.
6) I am the lone guardian of this local culture and I take it as a personal responsibility to defend against any comments/statements made about <insert culture/island/country/people>

Well.... I think this sums up a lot of this forum, at least 90% of the flaming that goes on anyway!! :grin1:


Let's hear it for the Junior Japanese Club! :thumbup:

I am an expert on the bars by the way, but the local culture is...well, a mishmash of everything and after kijimuna, quite diverse.

You forgot number 7. "I am over-educated for the shitty little English teaching job I have and way more thoughtful than you military loosers."

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Nope....

Because.....

1) I have adapted more to the local culture than you
2) I am accepted more into the local culture than you
3) I know more about all things involving the local culture than you
4) I'm almost an honorary citizen of <insert country in question here>
5) I've been here for almost <enter some # here> years and I've seen all and know all about <enter country/event/people/bar/festival/rule of the road/anything else you can think of> so you are just not as good as me.
6) I am the lone guardian of this local culture and I take it as a personal responsibility to defend against any comments/statements made about <insert culture/island/country/people>


Well.... I think this sums up a lot of this forum, at least 90% of the flaming that goes on anyway!! :grin1:
Actually, an interesting new pattern has emerged, courtesy of our fine military members. It goes something like this...

1. I'm gonna kill you
2. I'm gonna abandon the body somewhere remote
3. I'm gonna rape your wife
4. Join in y'all!
5. The minions respond in unison "Funny!"

[macker]

Thanks AH..

Done....

[dk]

You forgot number 7. "I am over-educated for the shitty little English teaching job I have and way more thoughtful than you military loosers."
Hehehehehehe... :thumbup:

[dk]

Actually, an interesting new pattern has emerged, courtesy of our fine military members. It goes something like this...

1. I'm gonna kill you
2. I'm gonna abandon the body somewhere remote
3. I'm gonna rape your wife
4. Join in y'all!
5. The minions respond in unison "Funny!"
Where? Links?

[Old Timer]

moronic tossers :first::first:

What a tart. Send us in a grin sweetheart!!

[DougP]

Actually, an interesting new pattern has emerged, courtesy of our fine military members. It goes something like this...

1. I'm gonna kill you
2. I'm gonna abandon the body somewhere remote
3. I'm gonna rape your wife
4. Join in y'all!
5. The minions respond in unison "Funny!"

http://catsnstuff.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/dude-wait-what.jpg

[thistle]

Is the problem here because she didn't put it in the 'rants & raves' section??


tut,tut eele, are you not going to answer this?

Would she have been allowed to complain a little if it had been put in the 'rants & raves' section.

I have probably been here a lot longer than you but I still complain, I still dispute things in shops, at the police
station if I do not think things are right.
Most of the time we find out that that is just the way things are done here,
and then well....we know better the next time don't we.
But I am still allowed to keep my gaijin opinion and will never, ever let myself
think like a Japanese.

If she thought she was wrong to get a parking ticket why not go to the Police station and dispute it. Nothing lost, nothing gained.
Or do you always just accept your lot in life??

[macker]

One over the bow from Thistle.....

[Asshat]

But I am still allowed to keep my gaijin opinion and will never, ever let myself think like a Japanese.

That's it missy. You are going to be kicked out of the Junior Japanese club. You must turn in your honorary ohashi and geta.

[DougP]

One over the bow from Thistle.....

shhh she was responding to here own post.:D don't kill me thistle

[thistle]

That's it missy. You are going to be kicked out of the Junior Japanese club. You must turn in your honorary ohashi and geta.

Is that what your post meant?

What are the rules in this club?

[Asshat]

Is that what your post meant?

What are the rules in this club?

Stay with the class Forest. :P See Mackers post about the rules...

[P_chan]

ohhhh, how clever you are, I must give you a lollipop...I think I know basic rules of the road, you clicky lot just like to jump on people. It is common sense if there is no sign, you can park but obviously over here is different. Believe me, I immerse myself in this culture much more than the average person that comes here, so I don't have issues with adjusting, thanks for the concern, E.

LOL you're a lost cause! I'll just tell you want you want to hear! Don't worry, it's not your fault! The cops are all corrupt and there wasn't a sign so "common sense" (more like uncommon) just tells you to park where ever the hell you want to! Don't pay it! I'm sure nothing bad will come of it:rolleyes:.

For the record you weren't slammed right off the bat. You were told that refuting a parking ticket over here is useless, which is what you asked. But as for everything else on this forum, don't post anything if you don't want opinions on the matter as well. Oh and you obviously do have issues adjusting to some aspects of living over here. Otherwise you would have known you can't park on the side of the street and you wouldn't be in here flipping out once people tell you tough bananas.

So when did I join a clique? So if I share the same opinion as someone else on a certain subject matter I'm in a "clique". Ohhhh I know! It's only a clique once it's against what YOU think is right. So I may be in one of your imaginary clique, but at least I'm not about to lose out on 15,000 yen because of my own dumb mistake.

[P_chan]

Actually, an interesting new pattern has emerged, courtesy of our fine military members. It goes something like this...

1. I'm gonna kill you
2. I'm gonna abandon the body somewhere remote
3. I'm gonna rape your wife
4. Join in y'all!
5. The minions respond in unison "Funny!"

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Minions FTW:first: Gotta go! It's about time for school to let out and I have to go pick out which junior high school girl I want to rape tonight.

[Asshat]

So when did I join a clique? So if I share the same opinion as someone else on a certain subject matter I'm in a "clique". Ohhhh I know! It's only a clique once it's against what YOU think is right. So I may be in one of your imaginary clique, but at least I'm not about to lose out on 15,000 yen because of my own dumb mistake.

The real clique is the wa plate (rental car) folks who's cars are in front of and behind my Y plate cars and don't get the ticket...as witnessed by me and the folks who had rented the wa plated cars...also gaijins...and not ticketed. :P

[macker]

The real clique is the wa plate (rental car) folks who's cars are in front of and behind my Y plate cars and don't get the ticket...as witnessed by me and the folks who had rented the wa plated cars...also gaijins...and not ticketed. :P

Hey ASSHAT...

was that a derogatory remark made against the language (wa) or police??? Please refrain from such acts of disrespect on tis forum as mentioned in Rule 6.

BTW, if U MUST use the language, please do it accordance with proper etiquette and stroke order please... SURELY you MEANT " わ　" plate.

If you must post on these forums, please bring the proper Character set with you!



:w00t::w00t::w00t:

[Asshat]

Hey ASSHAT...

was that a derogatory remark made against the language (wa) or police??? Please refrain from such acts of disrespect on tis forum as mentioned in Rule 6.

BTW, if U MUST use the language, please do it accordance with proper etiquette and stroke order please... SURELY you MEANT " わ　" plate.

If you must post on these forums, please bring the proper Character set with you!

:w00t::w00t::w00t:

I was already kicked out of the Junior Japanese club during my last divorce process. I also note I did not provide the proper internet reference to back up my statements. For that and not typing in the proper hiragana for "wa" I sincerely apologize.

But hell yeah, those cops were targeting my Y plate. Actually, this happened in full view of all us patrons in a certain eatery. All patrons, mixed us and them, and owners, (with connections) descended on the cops.

Cops got flustered, radio'd in, asked what to do. lol. They told ALL of us to move our cars to an adjacent lot, even though every single one of us were obviously intoxicated.

And the chick with connections looks at the cops, points to herself and asks "do you remember me?" LMAO! ******* cops.

[macker]

I was already kicked out of the Junior Japanese club during my last divorce process. I also note I did not provide the proper internet reference to back up my statements. For that and not typing in the proper hiragana for "wa" I sincerely apologize.

But hell yeah, those cops were targeting my Y plate. Actually, this happened in full view of all us patrons in a certain eatery. All patrons, mixed us and them, and owners, (with connections) descended on the cops.

Cops got flustered, radio'd in, asked what to do. lol. They told ALL of us to move our cars to an adjacent lot, even though every single one of us were obviously intoxicated.

And the chick with connections looks at the cops, points to herself and asks "do you remember me?" LMAO! ******* cops.


Asshat....

I can see why you were kicked out of the JJC. I do feel sorry for you becoming a "tourist/guest" again. Maybe I can put in some kinds words with the powers that be. I have connection all the way to the top you know!!!

Your apology for now is accepted!!!

The follow on story was quite funny and I'm sure that keystone cop-pery would never happen here, so IT must be another attempt at lies and slander.

[macker]

One more thing AssHat-さん

If you can back up the story with Internet links/references, I will allow it as it MUST be true and factual.

[Old Timer]

I had a car briskley towed on Prince Albert Road near London Zoo in years back. In fact the car was gone & ticketed in less than 3 minutes by the miscreant national contractors.
Limey douchebags!! :first:

[macker]

Old Timer...

I shall forward your post to UK-UPDATE forum and the Junior Brit CLub will sort you out.

[Crazysix]

Actually, an interesting new pattern has emerged, courtesy of our fine military members. It goes something like this...

1. I'm gonna kill you
2. I'm gonna abandon the body somewhere remote
3. I'm gonna rape your wife
4. Join in y'all!
5. The minions respond in unison "Funny!"
damn eele you dont have much experience with threats...had me shaking in my boots with laughter.....keep studying and you to can make a viable threat :thumbup1:

[Crazysix]

Asshat....

I can see why you were kicked out of the JJC. I do feel sorry for you becoming a "tourist/guest" again. Maybe I can put in some kinds words with the powers that be. I have connection all the way to the top you know!!!

Your apology for now is accepted!!!

The follow on story was quite funny and I'm sure that keystone cop-pery would never happen here, so IT must be another attempt at lies and slander.poor ass, welcome to the outsiders club, Im your host gaijin devil, just call me GD, would you prefer smoking ,steak and alcohol section for your duration here in hell?????:smile4:

[Crazysix]

Nope....

Because.....

1) I have adapted more to the local culture than you
2) I am accepted more into the local culture than you
3) I know more about all things involving the local culture than you
4) I'm almost an honorary citizen of <insert country in question here>
5) I've been here for almost <enter some # here> years and I've seen all and know all about <enter country/event/people/bar/festival/rule of the road/anything else you can think of> so you are just not as good as me.
6) I am the lone guardian of this local culture and I take it as a personal responsibility to defend against any comments/statements made about <insert culture/island/country/people>

7) . "I am over-educated and way too smart and way more thoughtful than you military losers" (edited that to be more BROAD)

Well.... I think this sums up a lot of this forum, at least 90% of the flaming that goes on anyway!! :grin1:
Well if we cant get along....screw it nuke em

[ukreal1]

tut,tut eele, are you not going to answer this?

Would she have been allowed to complain a little if it had been put in the 'rants & raves' section.

I have probably been here a lot longer than you but I still complain, I still dispute things in shops, at the police
station if I do not think things are right.
Most of the time we find out that that is just the way things are done here,
and then well....we know better the next time don't we.
But I am still allowed to keep my gaijin opinion and will never, ever let myself
think like a Japanese.

If she thought she was wrong to get a parking ticket why not go to the Police station and dispute it. Nothing lost, nothing gained.
Or do you always just accept your lot in life??

I did go to the police station to dispute, in fact I spoke for some time on the phone with someone translating. Bottom line, I have to pay, so no I don't just accept things and that's what I was trying to find out in the OPing

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

http://catsnstuff.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/dude-wait-what.jpg
Since you were intimately involved, you tell us...

[DougP]

Since you were intimately involved, you tell us...

Intimately involved or just happened to catch wind of it like you did? :scratchchin:
I thought you were just as lost as we are....

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Why did you cut the "P" from your user name over there?

[DougP]

Why did you cut the "P" from your user name over there?

Never had a P included with my user name over there. Once I had car nomenclature added to it like others you've probably come across. Just had it changed after I got rid of the car.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

So, you do know what this is all about. The "heads-up" was a nice touch...

[slickmetal]

how come I never see tickets on gate 2 street on those little vans/cars that partially block traffic, parking in the little spots that has no pay meter?...I'm sure no parking is allowed there. If anything, that disturbs traffic on a road that has heavy traffic, versus parking right off the road somewhere that does not bother traffic.

Thing is, Okinawans, from what I saw park crazy. Guess you can't ticket them all. But, it is consistant and does not show or set a proper example for us Americans. Like other posters said, they parked along with other Japanese registered vehicles...because, monkey see, monkey do and they assume its ok, because the locals are doing it....then a heafty fine to boot, for crutching judgement. Just like in the other thread where someone illegally parked in my spot...that should have cost them 15,000 yen to park there ;)

[DougP]

So, you do know what this is all about. The "heads-up" was a nice touch...

Not sure if you mean the heads up I got or the one you got.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Maybe, the one our mutual friend got. It was nice of you to let him know.

[DougP]

Maybe, the one our mutual friend got. It was nice of you to let him know.

Well if its that same mutual friend I alerted about 8 days ago after getting the heads up my self, it was the least I could do.

[P_chan]

how come I never see tickets on gate 2 street on those little vans/cars that partially block traffic, parking in the little spots that has no pay meter?...I'm sure no parking is allowed there. If anything, that disturbs traffic on a road that has heavy traffic, versus parking right off the road somewhere that does not bother traffic.

Thing is, Okinawans, from what I saw park crazy. Guess you can't ticket them all. But, it is consistant and does not show or set a proper example for us Americans. Like other posters said, they parked along with other Japanese registered vehicles...because, monkey see, monkey do and they assume its ok, because the locals are doing it....then a heafty fine to boot, for crutching judgement. Just like in the other thread where someone illegally parked in my spot...that should have cost them 15,000 yen to park there ;)

If the okinawans jumped off cliffs, would you do it too? I also distinctly remember being told numerous time from number official and unofficial sources to not park where ever I want to like the okinawans do.

Oh wait.....bad example:scared:

[Old Timer]

Old Timer...

I shall forward your post to UK-UPDATE forum and the Junior Brit CLub will sort you out.


Appreciated. (Send instructions for loosening straight jacket if possible)

[Muku]

Thing is, Okinawans, from what I saw park crazy. Guess you can't ticket them all. But, it is consistant and does not show or set a proper example for us Americans. Like other posters said, they parked along with other Japanese registered vehicles...because, monkey see, monkey do and they assume its ok, because the locals are doing it....then a heafty fine to boot, for crutching judgement. Just like in the other thread where someone illegally parked in my spot...that should have cost them 15,000 yen to park there

Set a proper example for American's? LMAO.....pray tell why in the hell should any Japanese person set a proper example for a group of people that are not exactly wanted here in the first place?

[Bones]

As posted by ukreal1:

I have to agree with Rossi, you seem a tad confused, I thought I would post a pic of you
what's being a former 1st sgt got to do with anything anyway...get a grip

Yeah my bad, Rossi. I appear to have gotten your quote mixed up with someone else's. Sorry.

As far as ukreal1 goes, as a 1st Sgt, you get to hear "all" of the excuses.

You travel around within your squadron, you meet all kinds of people, and the hours are long. You get a feeling about your people, and when the axe comes down, sometimes the people effected are surprised when it falls on their heads.

It's a tough job, that requires a lot of hours of your personal time beyond normal duty hours. And if done correctly, it helps the person within that position to recognize BS, when submitted.

One of the third things that you learn to address, are things done wrong by the people under you. In this instance, DUI's, parking tickets, or whatever. Depending on rank, I used to pass my recommendations on to the Commander. These things happen people who don't pay attention during briefings, etc...

The second most important thing, is paying attention to spousal abuse. If a military member has problems within the community, it comes up on the radar quickly. Closed doors are not a problem, with gossip the way it is these days.

The first thing, is getting the offender into your office, and offering them a safe way out of their predicament. If you need help, I'm there for you. Well, used to be. The only shame is knowing that you have a problem, and not asking for help.

If you do something wrong, ukriel1, not my problem. Just don't whine about it.

Someone had mentioned that $150.00 dollars doesn't mean much to them in reagrds to a speeding ticket. When I joined up, that was two weeks pay for a 2 striper.

It's a sad thing to think about this type of person, when you take into consideration what those $150.00 could have meant improving the lives of the people living with you.

Bones

[Rossi46]

Np Bones, I figured you just mixed up the quotes. You came at me harshly so I reacted equally. No hard feeling here.

[ukreal1]

As posted by ukreal1:




The first thing, is getting the offender into your office, and offering them a safe way out of their predicament. If you need help, I'm there for you. Well, used to be. The only shame is knowing that you have a problem, and not asking for help.

If you do something wrong, ukriel1, not my problem. Just don't whine about it.


Bones

isn't this contradicting yourself? on the one hand you say you are there and people should ask for help, but then you slam me for doing that. How the hell am I meant to read the damn ticket, it's all in Japanese for starters. You are either there for someone or you are not. Be kind to people, everyone, you don't know when your turn to ask for help may come.

[P_chan]

isn't this contradicting yourself? on the one hand you say you are there and people should ask for help, but then you slam me for doing that. How the hell am I meant to read the damn ticket, it's all in Japanese for starters. You are either there for someone or you are not. Be kind to people, everyone, you don't know when your turn to ask for help may come.

You were given help, then the opinions started coming in after the the help.

[socalheart]

I see locals ignore the NO PARKING law on BC Street all the time. I've never seen them with a yellow ticket on their windows. They're lined up and parked in front of the NO PARKING signs and their tails obstruct traffic. There's barely enough space sometimes to get my compact car through there. If the JP want to make their quota, spend an afternoon through there every afternoon. :rolleyes: Hypocrites.

how come I never see tickets on gate 2 street on those little vans/cars that partially block traffic, parking in the little spots that has no pay meter?...I'm sure no parking is allowed there. If anything, that disturbs traffic on a road that has heavy traffic, versus parking right off the road somewhere that does not bother traffic.

Thing is, Okinawans, from what I saw park crazy. Guess you can't ticket them all.

[Muku]

I see locals ignore the NO PARKING law on BC Street all the time. I've never seen them with a yellow ticket on their windows. They're lined up and parked in front of the NO PARKING signs and their tails obstruct traffic. There's barely enough space sometimes to get my compact car through there. If the JP want to make their quota, spend an afternoon through there every afternoon. :rolleyes: Hypocrites.
Socal....I realize you got burned once and it pisses you off no end, but please dont start thinking that just because you dont see Japanese plated cars without tickets on them that it doesnt mean that the cops or their surrogates are targeting only Y plates.

Okinawa is a hell of a lot bigger than just BC Street.

There aren't enough of you as in "Y" plates around to fill the budget of the Japanese police.

[P_chan]

Not to mention most of the illegal parkers on gate 2 street are only there for 5 or 10 minutes and then their gone. Not saying that makes it ok, but the JP wouldn't even be able to write a ticket by the time they come back. Oh and then there are the kei trucks that park illegally on gate 2 but they are usually unloading produce for the street market.

[Asshat]

Dudes and dudettes. I clearly indicated in an earlier post that I have seen definite instances of selective enforcement of parking regulations. That's just the way it is.

A "Y" plate will get a ticket and towed BEFORE a rental plated vehicle in the City of Chatan, Miyagi area. You can dispute the rest of the island all you want, but that is the deal there as witnessed by me, a few other shima gaijin as well as the Okinawans who were there with us.

The cops weren't even embarrased they were caught in the act, and had to radio for instructions. "Let him go" was what they received. It was only me getting the ticket.

[Muku]

Dudes and dudettes. I clearly indicated in an earlier post that I have seen definite instances of selective enforcement of parking regulations. That's just the way it is.

A "Y" plate will get a ticket and towed BEFORE a rental plated vehicle in the City of Chatan, Miyagi area. You can dispute the rest of the island all you want, but that is the deal there as witnessed by me, a few other shima gaijin as well as the Okinawans who were there with us.

The cops weren't even embarrased they were caught in the act, and had to radio for instructions. "Let him go" was what they received. It was only me getting the ticket.

Ass I am not saying that it doesnt happen, and in the area around Chatan and Gate Two it wouldnt surprise me one tiny bit that the cops may not be as lenient towards the "Y" numbered one's. I dont have any figures to back this up but I am willing to bet that overall for every 1 "Y" plated car that gets ticketed at least 50 probably way more imo, other "kanji" plated car gets either ticketed or ticketed and towed somewhere on the island during the course of the same day.

It's similar to stateside, or at least where I was from, out of state plated cars getting hit more than in state one's.

[Asshat]

Ass I am not saying that it doesnt happen, and in the area around Chatan and Gate Two it wouldnt surprise me one tiny bit that the cops may not be as lenient towards the "Y" numbered one's. I dont have any figures to back this up but I am willing to bet that overall for every 1 "Y" plated car that gets ticketed at least 50 probably way more imo, other "kanji" plated car gets either ticketed or ticketed and towed somewhere on the island during the course of the same day.

It's similar to stateside, or at least where I was from, out of state plated cars getting hit more than in state one's.

Yeah, I can't disagree with you there. I do know that cops tend to enquire who owns a car illegally parked before issuing a ticket...where the Y plate car just gets ticketed.

I dont have heartburn with it. Just part of the price to pay for running with Y plates in Japan. So, I don't park illegally, and if I wonder about where I am parking, I ask someone.

[socalheart]

I never mentioned Y plate cars in my post about illegally parked cars on BC Street. I've never seen a Y plate car illegally parked on BC Street. I used to drive that way on my way from work.

Socal.... please dont start thinking that just because you dont see Japanese plated cars without tickets on them that it doesnt mean that the cops or their surrogates are targeting only Y plates.

[Muku]

I never mentioned Y plate cars in my post about illegally parked cars on BC Street. I've never seen a Y plate car illegally parked on BC Street. I used to drive that way on my way from work.
I think that you may have misunderstood my reply that you are talking about here.

You wrote.....
I see locals ignore the NO PARKING law on BC Street all the time. I've never seen them with a yellow ticket on their windows. They're lined up and parked in front of the NO PARKING signs and their tails obstruct traffic. There's barely enough space sometimes to get my compact car through there. If the JP want to make their quota, spend an afternoon through there every afternoon. Hypocrites.

And from that it is rather easy to infer that you were talking about the Japanese Police not ticketing kanji plated cars on BC right?

And by calling the JP's hypocrites I took that to mean that they as in the JP's were only targeting "Y" plated one's.

Am I mistaken?

[Old Timer]

To All - I will try to remember to post some real parking enforcement pics seen weekly in Roppongi. It is a ballet of efficiency. It makes the feeble attemps of the authorities in Okinawa to demand compliance infantile.:crying:

[socalheart]

And by calling the JP's hypocrites I took that to mean that they as in the JP's were only targeting "Y" plated one's.

Am I mistaken?

In a way, yes... The inference was that JP ticket illegally parked cars on Gate 2 Street (for example), because that street is known to have many Y plates parked on it. They ignore BC Street which rarely has a Y plate parked on it. They might ticket equally on a given street, but they are particular about which streets they ticket. It's more about they seem to avoid giving tickets to illegally parked locals in busy areas unless that area is frequented by Y plates.

[Muku]

In a way, yes... The inference was that JP ticket illegally parked cars on Gate 2 Street (for example), because that street is known to have many Y plates parked on it. They ignore BC Street which rarely has a Y plate parked on it. They might ticket equally on a given street, but they are particular about which streets they ticket. It's more about they seem to avoid giving tickets to illegally parked locals in busy areas unless that area is frequented by Y plates.
Ok so? It's common sense that the police, and that goes for police anywhere will target illegal parking on heavier travelled roads, no matter the driver or plate.

And I would venture to say that "they" dont ignore other streets, they just dont focus their attention there.

It's understandable that you have a chip on your shoulder about it,
and I think that there is no way that you will find it equitable to your satisfaction because you got ticketed and had to pay the fine.

Oh and you arent the only one either, I've been ticketed and towed in the past and the cops never knew who the driver was, so it wasnt because I was a foreigner it was because I was parked illegally, plain and simple. I was driving a kanji plated car, and I learned my lesson after paying close to $300. don't park where I am not supposed to and pay attention to street signs.

It really is that simple.:D

I hope you aren't turning into a conspiracy theorist, thinking that every corner you turn someone, particularly the JP's are out to get you, it would be a shame.

[Sex Wax]

They are out to get me.

[JaneP]

A little off-topic, but a bit of a rant aimed at military guys with Okinawan girlfriends. I used to rent an apartment out in Ginowan where parking was privatized and unauthorized at night for cars not belonging to tenants. There was nothing more annoying than coming home and not finding a single space open because of random Y-plates. Tenants > Visitors.

[P_chan]

A little off-topic, but a bit of a rant aimed at military guys with Okinawan girlfriends. I used to rent an apartment out in Ginowan where parking was privatized and unauthorized at night for cars not belonging to tenants. There was nothing more annoying than coming home and not finding a single space open because of random Y-plates. Tenants > Visitors.

I've seen that, and the exact oppisite! Had one neighbor who used to have his Japanese girlfriend over a lot and she would park in my space from time to time. I was a good boy once I lived with my wife while we were engaged. I paid 5000 yen a month to park across the street from her building.

[jimbob17755]

Your Mama, that's the only person who will listen.. Sympathy at the police station is in their dictionary between shit and syphilis.....pay your ticket.
and don't forget the .25 to call somebody that that gives a shit!

[socalheart]

Ok so? It's common sense that the police, and that goes for police anywhere will target illegal parking on heavier travelled roads, no matter the driver or plate.


I was adding onto what was said previously about a similar thing. I'm not ranting or complaining. I'm just saying. :rolleyes: I don't agree or disagree with whatever.

[Bones]

Yawn!!!!:rolleyes:

[Sex Wax]

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10063/chew.gif (http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10063/chew.gif)

[Jimmy Hoffa]

and don't forget the .25 to call somebody that that gives a shit!

I'd love to fing that payphone with .25 calls.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Is it really that bad for foreign drivers out there? I've been cut slack by the cops because I'm not Japanese, and thus might not understand. Overall, I've found being gaijin more a boon than a bane.

[Muku]

I was adding onto what was said previously about a similar thing. I'm not ranting or complaining. I'm just saying. :rolleyes: I don't agree or disagree with whatever.
Whew....thanks, had me worried for a moment.:grin1:

[ukreal1]

just as I was browsing a London site, I came across this (http://www.chiswickw4.com/default.asp?section=info&link=http://nnet-server.com/server/common/conpark54.htm)
Maybe that is why I was asking for help re:disputing fines, that's what I know, now I know this way, I know to be super careful.

[Muku]

just as I was browsing a London site, I came across this (http://www.chiswickw4.com/default.asp?section=info&link=http://nnet-server.com/server/common/conpark54.htm)
Maybe that is why I was asking for help re:disputing fines, that's what I know, now I know this way, I know to be super careful.

It appears to me that you may have had a few drinks and started driving the JU forum keyboard huh!:w00t:

[LandCru72]

Just want to se if this Avatar works

[Obe1Canole]

Well, the metermaid's strike again... I wish I'd seen this thread before last night. I just got a ticket near Sunabe seawall, my car was the only one with a yellow sticker on it when I returned from my walk. Maybe I should hire Johnny Cochran to fight this one for me! Yeah right, wouldn't help. Sigh...

[socalheart]

Just want to se if this Avatar works
http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/image.php?u=683&dateline=1219591582


I <3 it! LOL :D