Soy Consumption & higher risk of cancer link

[Tempestuous]

Soy food consumption in women at increased risk for breast cancer (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0887/is_11_24/ai_n15895623)

From National Research Newsletter Nov 2005
studies of soy effects on breast density and fluid suggest the possibility that high levels of intake might actually increase breast cancer risk in US women, of particular concern among women already at increased risk for the disease.

[P_chan]

I also heard that soy is high in estrogen. I read it somewhere but I forgot where I will have to look it up sometime.

Sorry but if I have boys I'm not going to be feeding them something that is high in estrogen.

[Tempestuous]

I also heard that soy is high in estrogen. I read it somewhere but I forgot where I will have to look it up sometime.

Sorry but if I have boys I'm not going to be feeding them something that is high in estrogen.


You are correct.Its in the other link I posted but here is a quick snipp-it

Soy Summary for infants (http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/03summary.htm)

SOY INFANT FORMULA — BIRTH CONTROL PILLS FOR BABIES

* Babies fed soy-based formula have 13,000 to 22,000 times more estrogen compounds in their blood than babies fed milk-based formula.

* Infants exclusively fed soy formula receive the estrogenic equivalent of at least five birth control pills per day.

* Male infants undergo a “testosterone surge” during the first few months of life, when testosterone levels may be as high as those of an adult male. During this period, baby boys are programmed to express male characteristics after puberty, not only in the development of their sexual organs and other masculine physical traits, but also in setting patterns in the brain characteristic of male behavior.

* Pediatricians are noticing greater numbers of boys whose physical maturation is delayed, or does not occur at all, including lack of development of the sexual organs. Learning disabilities, especially in male children, have reached epidemic proportions.

* Soy infant feeding—which floods the bloodstream with female hormones that inhibit testosterone—cannot be ignored as a possible cause for these tragic developments. In animals, soy feeding indicates that phytoestrogens in soy are powerful endocrine disrupters.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I am not aware of any vegetarian or vegan diet, particularly what most follow from the ADA's position paper on vegetarianism, that says to feed a child soy formula exclusively. Can you find a vegetarian or vegan diet that says that?

Until then sounds like a straw man has been constructed here, or are you not implying that vegetarians and vegans do feed their infants soy formula exclusively?

Mother's breast milk from a human is best -- certainly not from a cow -- whose milk is meant for baby cows.

[P_chan]

Though I do enjoy sucking on my wife's bosom I don't plan on drinking my milk from there. I also don't want a pair of bosoms of my own so I'll stay away from soy milk. I'll stick to the 2% cow kind thank you.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Though I do enjoy sucking on my wife's bosom I don't plan on drinking my milk from there.

Why not induce her to lactate it, hose it out and drink it that way? Or hosing out from an animal's teat is better?

I also don't want a pair of bosoms of my own so I'll stay away from soy milk.

I think you are past infancy and young age, and since you won't be drinking it solely as your only dietary intake, why do you think it would give you breasts? Do you have a peer reviewed study published in a peer reviewed journal from a respectable org to support your fear?

I don't think you do, but I will be waiting for it, and remind you as time goes by to bring it forth.

I'll stick to the 2% cow kind thank you.

Cow milk is for a baby cow.

[dk]

Cow milk is for a baby cow.
Whatever. (Need a talk to the hand emoticon)

Cow milk is for cereal and chocolate milk.

[P_chan]

I guess I'm a baby cow then because I'm not drinking my wife's beast milk or any other woman's for that matter. It tastes horrible! Forcing my wife to lactate would be strange and would make a some type of crazy person. The HUGE difference between my wife and a cow is that she is a HUMAN!

Seriously lighten up and take a joke.

I don't think it will seriously give me breasts. However there is a lot of estrogen in it and doctors suggest soy instead of a hormone supplements for woman. So now give that to your growing boy and see what happens. He will me more feminine then most other boys. Kinda like once a child is born almost boy but not totally and they give him a sex change and estrogen and it ****s him up for the rest of his life.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I guess I'm a baby cow then ...

Then the slaughterhouse awaits you. Have fun in the kill pit.

[P_chan]

I would feel honored to be a big tasty steak for someone like me.

[A'Sharad]

I would feel honored to be a big tasty steak for someone like me.

Here Here:thumbup1: I grew up on REAL milk...not this store crap. We lived next to a dairy when I was growing up so I went through about 7 gallons of milk a week. Havent broken a bone yet!! :old:

[TheNoNamedOne]

I went through about 7 gallons of milk a week. Havent broken a bone yet!! :old:

I don't think all that milk consumption is responsible for you not having broken a bone yet. Studies are beginning to show that bone strength is independent of milk consumption. Though agribusinesses for decades have been pushing the belief that the two are related. Their bottom line profits from those such as yourself who continue believing something just because it has been repeated for a long time.

Do you think it is possible that your thoughts on this are the result of falsehoods?

[A'Sharad]

I don't think all that milk consumption is responsible for you not having broken a bone yet. Studies are beginning to show that bone strength is independent of milk consumption. Though agribusinesses for decades have been pushing the belief that the two are related. Their bottom line profits from those such as yourself who continue believing something just because it has been repeated for a long time.

Do you think it is possible that your thoughts on this are the result of falsehoods?

It could be but the guy didnt believe in profit. He enjoyed his job providing for the rural community. A gallon of milk only cost us 50 cents.

[socalheart]

I grew up a milkman's daughter on whole milk. I never broke a bone either, but I have really soft teeth, so there you go then. My mom brought soy into the house when it was new and popular back in the day. It was tried, and then sat in the fridge untouched for a while. Yeah, dad didn't even let the on-base milk into our house, because it had coconut oil, milk in it. My kid will drink whole milk until she gets fat on it. :) Then, we can switch her to 2%. The only way I see us putting soy in this house is if the doc says so.

[TheNoNamedOne]

It could be but the guy didnt believe in profit.

You mean he was not running his family farm as a business? He was providing milk to everyone as a community service -- one in which he sought to only break even?

[TheNoNamedOne]

The only way I see us putting soy in this house is if the doc says so.

I sure can understand that family traditions are hard to change, particularly concerning diet. And if you came from a dairy culture all around you, that would even make it more hard.

But, consider soy does not have puss and traces of unhealthy 'milk' in it that milk does. Dairy cows are kept in a constant state of pregnancy so that they produce large quantities of milk. When a calf is born the milk after the first 24~48 hours is unusable for human consumption. However, when they are hooked back up to the hose pumps, some of that unusable milk is still in the cow's system.

And it is no secret, that those cows born of dairy cows become veal calf. I am not going to start talking in length about veal calf here, because this thread is not for talking about their misery they are put through. But, in every glass of milk, there is a little veal.

[Muku]

Here Here:thumbup1: I grew up on REAL milk...not this store crap. We lived next to a dairy when I was growing up so I went through about 7 gallons of milk a week. Havent broken a bone yet!! :old:


I grew up in WI, enough said I think!

[Muku]

I grew up a milkman's daughter on whole milk. I never broke a bone either, but I have really soft teeth, so there you go then. My mom brought soy into the house when it was new and popular back in the day. It was tried, and then sat in the fridge untouched for a while. Yeah, dad didn't even let the on-base milk into our house, because it had coconut oil, milk in it. My kid will drink whole milk until she gets fat on it. :) Then, we can switch her to 2%. The only way I see us putting soy in this house is if the doc says so.

Here here....soy milk in my opinion is only for those poor unfortunate souls that are lactose intolerant.

Otherwise, milk all the way!:thumbup:

Cow milk is for cereal and chocolate milk.

My Mom used to love telling a story about one of my sisters, long story short here, she used to actually think that white mile came from white cows and chocolate milk came from brown cows. Needless to say she was shocked when she learned otherwise. We still tease her about this to this day:D<3

[socalheart]

soy milk in my opinion is only for those poor unfortunate souls that are lactose intolerant.
I'm mostly lactose intolerant now and won't drink the soy milk. I've tried it. I don't like it, regardless of what flavor you try to add to it.

[Muku]

I'm mostly lactose intolerant now and won't drink the soy milk. I've tried it. I don't like it, regardless of what flavor you try to add to it.
My wife drinks it with her vitamin mix......:barf:

[P_chan]

I don't think all that milk consumption is responsible for you not having broken a bone yet. Studies are beginning to show that bone strength is independent of milk consumption. Though agribusinesses for decades have been pushing the belief that the two are related. Their bottom line profits from those such as yourself who continue believing something just because it has been repeated for a long time.

Do you think it is possible that your thoughts on this are the result of falsehoods?

I'm pretty sure the calcium is good for your bones. Since there is calcium in milk, they advertise it as a good way to get your daily calcium.

Don't you think there is a possiblity that your thoughts are a result of some AR falsehoods? After all, they try there hardest to make everyone else feel guilty and make things look worse then they really are. They also like to not acknowledge the good things about the other side of their argument, and leave out important facts.

I have to agree with you on one part that they should watch out for each other, but to stiff a penalty in my view.
I do believe though that if hurt the passenger or family has no right to sue the driver if both were drunk.

The more you torture the cow, the better it tastes once it becomes a steak:thumbup:

[slim7]

Everyone should look up "The China study "about animal protein and it's negative effects.Especially casein(milk protein). Are we on the Okinawa forum?THE Okinawa where vegetables are the predominant part of the diet? Sorry to rain on both soy and milk parades but they don't drink soy milk or soy protein in Okinawa either.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

There are umpteen reasons why milk is bad for you. Mass produced milk, that is. The dairy industry lobby is extremely powerful, and has brainwashed the public.

http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm
http://www.richardseah.com/naturalhealth/nomilk.html
http://www.milksucks.com/more.asp

If (big if, since the dairy industry has succeeded in making fresh whole milk sales illegal) you can find farm fresh, unpastuerized milk it's great. Otherwise, it's not much better than Coca Cola...

[P_chan]

Don't really drink much milk anyways. I usually take multi vitamns with calcium in them. The only time I have milk is once I have a bowl of cereal.

[Hollarey]

Only drink it when I have chocolate cake!! Just goes so good together. Other than that I dont touch it. Well, I do love Chocolate milk!!!

[DougP]

There are umpteen reasons why milk is bad for you. Mass produced milk, that is. The dairy industry lobby is extremely powerful, and has brainwashed the public.

http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm
http://www.richardseah.com/naturalhealth/nomilk.html
http://www.milksucks.com/more.asp

If (big if, since the dairy industry has succeeded in making fresh whole milk sales illegal) you can find farm fresh, unpastuerized milk it's great. Otherwise, it's not much better than Coca Cola...

I love milk and many others have enjoyed it and continue to. I also love beer and by no means do I believe its very healthy either. Especially not in the quantities I drink:D

Further more for every study that says something is bad there's a study that says the opposite. I wouldn't trust getting my source of information from a site named milkisgreat.com any more than I would from a site named milksucks.com Everytime a new study comes out I read into it and then I take it with a grain of salt. I know another one will pop up in the near future claiming something completely different.

People that buy in to every little independent study or new diet are the ones who usually buy up the Billy's Bootcamp DVD:thumbdown:

[TheNoNamedOne]

Studies have useful information. If they are done correctly, or by reputable scientists and institutions, and are accepted in reputable peer reviewed journals, AND that information should be taken with more than just a grain of salt.

Now, if it is just a graduate student working on his theses for his doctorate and his test group is quite small, clear methodological errors etc... among other low standards, then the proverbial grain of salt is a warranted one.

I know another one will pop up in the near future claiming something completely different.

Hmmm... I guess I should be waiting on that study that shows seat belts actually kill more lives than saves them. Let me know Doug when you see that one in the "near future."

[DougP]

I keeping my eyes peeled I'll let you know :)

[dk]

People that buy in to every little independent study or new diet are the ones who usually buy up the Billy's Bootcamp DVD:thumbdown:
Dude, Billy's Bootcamp works lol. Sorry for going off-topic, but in the short period of time my wife used those DVD's, she got pretty fit pretty quick!

I understand it's a fad, but those elastic bands or whatever their called are pretty good! :ohmy: My wife didn't even use those bands and I saw significant improvement.

But then again, I'm by no means a fitness expert. I barely ever go for walks even. Just stating my observations. I don't want to derail this topic into the positive effect of using Billy's Bootcamp, so if anyone wants to go in that direction, feel free to start up a thread. I'm sure a few of us have wives who would be able to comment. :p

[DougP]

Well when I'm wrong I'm wrong :) lol. I'd rather stick to jogging though.
Funny how I've seen studies where one group says jogging can be bad for you and others say it can be good. Eh what ever works for you works for you and you should stick to it. Even if its milk for baby cows.