Dangers of Soy

[Tempestuous]

Things to know about soy (http://food.consumercide.com/soy_fallon.html)


New data indicate that environmental oestrogens such as PCBs and DDE (a breakdown product of DDT) may cause early sexual development in girls.62 In the 1986 Puerto Rico Premature Thelarche study, the most significant dietary association with premature sexual development was not chicken - as reported in the press - but soy infant formula.63

The consequences of this truncated childhood are tragic. Young girls with mature bodies must cope with feelings and urges that most children are not well-equipped to handle. And early maturation in girls is frequently a harbinger for problems with the reproductive system later in life, including failure to menstruate, infertility and breast cancer.

Parents who have contacted the Jameses recount other problems associated with children of both sexes who were fed soy-based formula, including extreme emotional behaviour, asthma, immune system problems, pituitary insufficiency, thyroid disorders and irritable bowel syndrome - the same endocrine and digestive havoc that afflicted the Jameses' parrots.

[P_chan]

Thanks temp there it is! I saw a different article about it too. Just think about the little boys who get too much estrogen? It's sad what they will turn out like.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Have you looked at the source of this article and its site?

NEXUS (http://www.nexusmagazine.com/) is an international bi-monthly alternative news magazine, covering the fields of: Health Alternatives; Suppressed Science; Earth's Ancient Past; UFOs & the Unexplained; and Government Cover-Ups.

Besides the wakiness of this, look at the sarcasm and sensationalism in it? "Cinderrella's Dark Side"? LOL!

I have yet to see a research article taken seriously that has made it to the pages of well respected peer reviewed journals that do that sort of thing.

It makes a lot of fantastical claims, too, and after each one there is not footnote to check it and the source. It reads like a conspiracist theory -- just as the souce states this site specializes in. Aren't most conspiracists overly paranoid?

Temp, do you have anything from a well known reputable sight or source that is peer reviewed, and with claims not embedded within conspiracies and mere assumptions?

One should be embarrassed to put something like this site and its article forth for serous consideration.

Anything from Harvard, Yale, British Medical Journal, Science, American Cancer Society, American Heart Society?

Until you can post some respectable source decrying the overall negative affects of soy over the positive that one should be alarmed at and consider by the gerneral population, you are reaching and spinning your wheels.

Get a new dog, cuz this one ain't a huntin'.

[Tempestuous]

20/20 segment (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0826/is_1_19/ai_97115870)


****looking if there is more info- regrading 20/20's segment beyond the reference of concern by FDA experts in this article*********

[TheNoNamedOne]

20/20 segment (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0826/is_1_19/ai_97115870)

??? 20/20 segment? It didn't seem like one to me. Perhaps I missed the credit line that lists 20/20. Could you point it out?

By the way, is 20/20 peer reviewed before showtime? Is 20/20 a respected org within the scientific community?

Do you have any link that shows a vegetarian diet recommending its practicioners to feed soy exclusively to their infant?

Do you have a negative soy article from a well respected journal that is peer reviewed?

I am not asking these questions rhetorically. I am awaiting an answer on them. Thanks in advance.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Oh, by the way, your supposed 20/20 segment was actually written by one name Yvona Fast. She has no professional degree in nutrition or the natural sciences.

From her site (http://www.wordsaremyworld.com/aboutyvona.htm):
This love of books led me to become a librarian. I have a BA in Geography from State University of New York at Oswego, and a Masters in Library Science from SUNY at Geneseo. I have worked as a librarian in prison, public, and academic libraries, and spent five years working to set up libraries for Bible colleges and seminaries in Eastern Europe.

That is why you should be careful with your links. Embarrassingly sloppy!

Again, any reputable peer reviewed journals and pubs from them?

[Tempestuous]

*Charlie Brown parental voice*
"whah-wa whah wha whah"


I am simply sharing information such as you do.
People are free to draw their own conclusions.
One should be informed when it comes to diet & consumption.

[P_chan]

Here's some about the dangers of soy

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/soyinfo/a/soy.htm

another

http://thyroid.about.com/library/news/blmillions.htm

http://www.life.ca/nl/101/soy.html

dangers of hidden soy in foods for people who are allergic to soy

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Soy%20Allergens.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/infant.html

I thought the title of this one was kinda funny

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

something from cnn, but I think it was taken from webmd

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/diet.fitness/06/26/soy.danger.wmd/index.html



Just thought this one was interesting

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180148,00.html

[Tempestuous]

It references the segment at the bottom of the 3rd paragraph-

Other researchers, however, urge us to proceed with caution. Daniel Doerge and Daniel Sheehan, two research scientists and soy experts with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), are among those who challenge the presumed benefits of soy (ABC's 20/20, June 9, 2000; see http://abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/2020_000609_soy_feature.html).

[TheNoNamedOne]

@P_chan:
I don't think you are reading the articles you are posting? Seems like someone is just googling key words, and then copying links with attractive titles that they think supports their belief.

If you can't spend the time to read the articles you are referencing and post a quote from it and some commentary on it, why do you think anyone else should take the time to read them?

In any event, after finding the following from your first link, I let the others go until you can effectively utilize them -- which I don't see happening.

America's Foremost Alternative Doctor Warns Re: Soy

America's leading alternative doctor, Dr. Andrew Weil, has said about soy, at his Ask Dr. Weil website

"…you're (http://thyroid.about.com/cs/soyinfo/a/soy.htm) unlikely to get too many isoflavones as a result of adding soy foods to your diet -- but you probably will take in too much if you take soy supplements in pill form. At this point, I can only recommend that you avoid soy supplements entirely."

There ya go!

[TheNoNamedOne]

It references the segment at the bottom of the 3rd paragraph-

Other researchers, however, urge us to proceed with caution. Daniel Doerge and Daniel Sheehan, two research scientists and soy experts with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), are among those who challenge the presumed benefits of soy (ABC's 20/20, June 9, 2000; see http://abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/2020_000609_soy_feature.html).

Yeah, finally found it. I would think that if you were going to title your link 20/20 then 20/20 would not be burried in the whole article.

Yes, 2 scientists and a few others challenge the benefits of soy. Duly noted that the vast minority challenges the health benefits of soy. And duly noted that the majority do not challenge it.

[Tempestuous]

AHA Science Advisory (January 17, 2006)
Soy Protein, Isoflavones, and Cardiovascular Health
An American Heart Association Science Advisory for Professionals From the Nutrition Committee
Frank M. Sacks, MD; Alice Lichtenstein, DSc; Linda Van Horn, PhD, RD; William Harris, PhD; Penny Kris-Etherton, PhD; Mary Winston, EdD, for the American Heart Association Nutrition Committee

No significant effects on HDL cholesterol, triglycerides, lipoprotein(a), or blood pressure were evident. Among 19 studies of soy isoflavones, the average effect on LDL cholesterol and other lipid risk factors was nil.
Soy protein and isoflavones have not been shown to lessen vasomotor symptoms of menopause, and results are mixed with regard to soy’s ability to slow postmenopausal bone loss.
The efficacy and safety of soy isoflavones for preventing or treating cancer of the breast, endometrium, and prostate are not established; evidence from clinical trials is meager and cautionary with regard to a possible adverse effect.
For this reason, use of isoflavone supplements in food or pills is not recommended.


So even your proclaim health studies don't PROVE it IS safe.

It is worth assessing for ones self.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I am simply sharing information such as you do.
People are free to draw their own conclusions.
One should be informed when it comes to diet & consumption.

Yes, and hopefully people will discriminate and draw conclusions from studies in peer reviewed medical journals when it comes to their health, and not rogue challenges from a few individuals. It is even more shameful when people peddle those rogues and wacky UFO type sites that put forth ideas that should be weighted equally with credible scientific research.

Why do you do so? Oh, you think sharing that level of research balances things nicely for drawing conclusions? lol.

Yes, one should be informed, however, your style of referencing sites disinforms and detracts from science by trying to bring those lower levels up to the same level for consideration.

[TheNoNamedOne]

So even your proclaim health studies don't PROVE it IS safe.

Temp, in that quote above, can you find anywhere on JU that I said soy alleviated all those things or benefited those things that those professionals claim soy cannot claim as a health benefit of it? Please show me where I said so.

[TheNoNamedOne]

btw, Temp, I don't see a link to that last quote above of yours. Could you get that for me? Thanks.

[Tempestuous]

Temp, in that quote above, can you find anywhere on JU that I said soy alleviated all those things or benefited those things that those professionals claim soy cannot claim as a health benefit of it? Please show me where I said so.

Where did I say you did?

I stated that even the AHA doesn't guarantee it's safety. You are the one who wanted to hear from an acclaimed source- and I provided one.
Do they deny it to the degree the previously posted article- no.
But nor do they guarantee it's safety as has been touted in many pro-soy advocates.
No where did I specify you & your beliefs other than in reference to your needed authoritative research group.

[P_chan]

@P_chan:
I don't think you are reading the articles you are posting? Seems like someone is just googling key words, and then copying links with attractive titles that they think supports their belief.

If you can't spend the time to read the articles you are referencing and post a quote from it and some commentary on it, why do you think anyone else should take the time to read them?

In any event, after finding the following from your first link, I let the others go until you can effectively utilize them -- which I don't see happening.



There ya go!

So I'm not allowed to spout brainwashing propaganda like you?

Seriously stop being so critical about what other people believe. I know estrogen is in soy, and I know it's bad for a growing boy to have too much estrogen. So I will use that big hunk of flesh in my head to put two and two together. It's better to use it that way then to shoot down everyone else's beliefs and posts.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I stated that even the AHA doesn't guarantee it's safety.

I don't think the AHA guarantees anything's safety, does it? If not, then stating that it doesn't is a red herring.

[Hollarey]

hmmm....no wonder my oldest son acts like a drama queen. He was given soy milk as an infant.:scared:

[pmtswife]

My husband and a class I took informed me of this.

Soy consumption has been associated with a reduced risk of prostate cancer. The mechanism for this association may involve the effect of soy on the endocrine system. We conducted a randomized dietary intervention study to determine the effects of soy consumption on serum levels of steroid hormones in men. Thirty-five men were randomly assigned to either a soymilk-supplemented group or a control group. The men in the soy-supplemented group were asked to consume 400 ml of soymilk daily for 8 weeks. The men in the control group maintained their usual diet. Blood samples were obtained just before the initiation of the dietary period and thereafter every two weeks for 12 weeks. Changes in hormone concentrations were analyzed and compared between the two groups using the mixed linear regression model against weeks from the start of the dietary period. The mean (SD) soymilk intake estimated from dietary records during the dietary study period was 342.9 (SD, 74.2) ml in the soymilk-supplemented group. There was a significant difference between the two groups in terms of changes in serum estrone concentrations, which tended to decrease in the soy-supplemented group and increase in the control group over time. None of the other hormones measured (estradiol, total and free-testosterone, or sex hormone-binding globulin) showed any statistical difference between the two groups in terms of patterns of change. The results of the study indicate that soymilk consumption may modify circulating estrone concentrations in men.
fermented soy products are ok
first of all the soy milk we get in regular stores brands such as "SILK" and other regular brands (even some organic soymilks) have the ingredient "Carrageenan" in them.

Secondly how the soymilk has been manufactured (it is either made from soybeans or extracted from soy protein) if it is extracted from soy protein it is really bad for health from what i have read. Soy milk should ideally be made from Organic Soybeans.

As far as the disadvantages of soymillk are concerned other than the above....it is the presence of "isoflavones" in them that people debate. from what i've read...soymilk has high levels of isoflavones in it (its complicated...it has estrogen as well as anti-estrogen in it) some people argue that these isoflavones are not good for health (some say it causes men to look womanly) while others argue that isoflavones are very good for u (especially women....delayes menopause, give u good bones etc etc)

[TheNoNamedOne]

I don't think the AHA guarantees anything's safety, does it? If not, then stating that it doesn't is a red herring.

What food or drink product does the AHA guarantee, Temp? Huh?

You know your statement is a fallacious one, don't you? Well?

[TheNoNamedOne]

Well, Temp, I have just been all over the AHA homepage and have found no food products "guaranteed" by the AHA. What do you mean by the use of that word?

Surely you don't mean their product certification standards, do you? Because they have soy products on that list! LOL!!!

So, where are the foods that are guaranteed? Honestly... I have been looking all over the site and have to come to the conclusion you were employing some dishonest word usage with the term.