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Oki alumni

08-07-2008, 09:22 AM

Question....

Can I do a FOIA (http://www.state.gov/m/a/ips/) to ask who got a job that was advertised on a DOD web site?

Any of you J.A.G. folks out there?

I ask becuse I want to know who got this (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7435) job?

Peace!:army:

Hi Sarge,

As someone else has already noted, a FOIA request (which can, and usually DOES cost some $$$) would probably only get you the information that the position HAS been filled, but not WHO filled it, so you'd actually accomplish near to nothing.

You MAY be able to write directly to the organization that did the actual hire, and make a polite request (LOL, don't "demand" to know) through THEM. A legitimate reason for a request would be that you are interested SOLELY in the qualifications of the individual hired, so that you might be in a better position to apply for similar jobs, or that particular job when it becomes vacant. Asking whether this person is a local-hire, prior military, dependent spouse, are legitimate questions also.

FOIA requests, while very legitimate, have a tendency to slow down any answers. EEO inquiries/complaints are strangely NOT an option unless you are ALREADY IN "the system". Catch 22, "You can't complain about not getting the government job, unless you already HAVE a government job!"

Sadly, I've already "Been there, done that". Change MAY have occurred since my experiences, but I seriously doubt it.

-Oki Alumni:old: (Who wishes you GREAT success in your job hunt!!!)

Asshat

08-07-2008, 09:44 AM

Question....

Can I do a FOIA (http://www.state.gov/m/a/ips/) to ask who got a job that was advertised on a DOD web site?

Any of you J.A.G. folks out there?

I ask becuse I want to know who got this (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7435) job?

I guess I am one of those "mean" people on here. In another post you indicated that you aren't always like "this."

Guess what? Some of the people who hire are here and see you "only" like this. Maybe it's not fair. But that is the fact.

As far as the "good old boys network" you keep harping about, I don't see it in my world- not the way you mean it, where friends hire friends.

You are entitled to your own opinion of the "system." But making this "twisted system" your focus certainly isn't helping you, and I am very suspicious of anyone who rants and raves about a system they are not a part of.

Many people apply for jobs. What makes you so special? The fact that you want to live here? Everyone who applies wants to live here for the same reasons you do. Is your CV and resume blowing everyone else out of the water? Obviously not. The best person gets the job...and yeah, as in every other job in the world, you do need to network.

If that is part of the twisted system you refer to, then you need to accuse McDonald Douglass, MCCS, and Microsoft of the same twisted practices.

By the way, you "are" entitled to EEO protection under the same laws current employees are.

Oki alumni

08-07-2008, 09:50 AM

By the way, you "are" entitled to EEO protection under the same laws current employees are.

Asshat, when I was looking for a job a few years back, I had what I considered legitimate complaints about hiring practices at Yokota, and was told that "Unless you are in the system, the EEO, by regulation is NOT able to help retirees and others NOT already in the system." As stated, things MAY have changed, and things MAY already have been different in Okinawa.

-Oki Alumni:old: (Who MOST SINCERELY hopes that things HAVE indeed changed!)

socalheart

08-07-2008, 10:04 AM

When I utilized FOIA to gain information on an incident involving me, I was informed that only information that was transcripted and filed could be accessed by FOIA and personal information of persons other than myself is omitted from the results. This meant they made a copy of the records and used white out to omit other's personal information.

This means that if there is a paper trail on the position being opened and filled, you won't know personal information on who filled it. This may include the name of the other applicants, including the person who received the position.

Hopefully, you are able to get over this and continue applying for positions of interest to you. Don't let it get you down. :D Good luck!

Asshat

08-07-2008, 10:50 AM

Asshat, when I was looking for a job a few years back, I had what I considered legitimate complaints about hiring practices at Yokota, and was told that "Unless you are in the system, the EEO, by regulation is NOT able to help retirees and others NOT already in the system." As stated, things MAY have changed, and things MAY already have been different in Okinawa.

-Oki Alumni:old: (Who MOST SINCERELY hopes that things HAVE indeed changed!)

Sorry man. You were misinformed. I could be Google Fu and whip out the regulation, but screw it. I was a part time EEO dude at another job with the Gov. Lots of training- and that was one of the deals.

Also, EEO address EEO only, not hiring practices per se. To be considered for a complaint under EEO, you must be part of a protected group. Race, gender, age, sexual preference. If the selecting official is a different group than the applicant, these things apply. (Age, must be over 40)

Many of the systems in place now are automated. So if an applicants package is not forwarded because they didn't meet an automated screening process, it's hard to go EEO....against the computer.

Old Timer

08-07-2008, 11:12 AM

I guess I am one of those "mean" people on here. In another post you indicated that you aren't always like "this."

Guess what? Some of the people who hire are here and see you "only" like this. Maybe it's not fair. But that is the fact.

As far as the "good old boys network" you keep harping about, I don't see it in my world- not the way you mean it, where friends hire friends.

You are entitled to your own opinion of the "system." But making this "twisted system" your focus certainly isn't helping you, and I am very suspicious of anyone who rants and raves about a system they are not a part of.

Many people apply for jobs. What makes you so special? The fact that you want to live here? Everyone who applies wants to live here for the same reasons you do. Is your CV and resume blowing everyone else out of the water? Obviously not. The best person gets the job...and yeah, as in every other job in the world, you do need to network.

If that is part of the twisted system you refer to, then you need to accuse McDonald Douglass, MCCS, and Microsoft of the same twisted practices.

By the way, you "are" entitled to EEO protection under the same laws current employees are.

I agree in principle but: (Generalizations)

1/ There is favoritism

2/ Negligence is prevalent and a network of people hiring friends.

3/ Little work or that ethic is involved, in most cases.

4/ A friend would have him in, in a heartbeat.

5/ He needs to throw caution to the wind add come on with it. Make the wife work three jobs until he finds one. Throw caution to the wind

6/ He will not do it. He will not move

7/ Professional complainer

Old Timer

08-07-2008, 11:13 AM

Asshat

08-07-2008, 11:18 AM

I agree in principle but: (Generalizations)

1/ There is favoritism

2/ Negligence is prevalent and a network of people hiring friends.

3/ Little work or that ethic is involved, in most cases.

4/ A friend would have him in, in a heartbeat.

5/ He needs to throw caution to the wind add come on with it. Make the wife work three jobs until he finds one. Throw caution to the wind

6/ He will not do it. He will not move

7/ Professional complainer

Yeah, okay for generalizations. I worked Army for awhile and had some difficulties because I was not prior Army.

I see negligence in other organizations, but don't tolerate it in my own. We now have better tools to get rid of those people. Hiring friends is always a bad deal because sooner or later, you will have to grab that friend by the shorthairs and pin him down like any other employee who is negligent.

I agree with you on the rest. I have seen many come here with nothing and scratch out a living until things got better. Hell, I did.

No way would I hire a professional complainer, or one who's sole motivation for working for me was location.

Old guy

08-07-2008, 12:35 PM

If i had to guess i'd say that this job "SUPV TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SPEC went to the old ASST. SUPV TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SPEC.

Ok, i'll stop. Try asking somebody who works on base here to call the army here and ask. Someone must have a friend on that base.

Question....

Can I do a FOIA (http://www.state.gov/m/a/ips/) to ask who got a job that was advertised on a DOD web site?

Any of you J.A.G. folks out there?

I ask becuse I want to know who got this (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7435) job?

Peace!:army:

Old Timer

08-07-2008, 12:48 PM

If i had to guess i'd say that this job "SUPV TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SPEC went to the old ASST. SUPV TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SPEC.

Ok, i'll stop. Try asking somebody who works on base here to call the army here and ask. Someone must have a friend on that base.

Yeah...through ZAMA. I can't get into specs. In house job, and legally covered. Guy will probaly get OHA at the single rate. How the ARMY will justify is beyond me. I know one about ten uyears ago left mainland local hire, and the enviro department opted to give him the allowance. Whatever.

Asshat

08-07-2008, 12:52 PM

I know one about ten uyears ago left mainland local hire, and the enviro department opted to give him the allowance. Whatever.

I once went to OSC with that issue. An agency can pretty much do whatever it wants to with the allowances...or anything else for that matter.

This thread is killing me. Sour grapes. WTF, I work for the Gov and had to bust my ass to get in and stay in. Sure wasn't because of friends, nor have I ever hired like that.

Old Timer

08-07-2008, 01:30 PM

You have to know a guy/ boss/ somebody. The last person I hired was a local hire, master degree in economics who made the choice to come back to Japan. His deal was different. He had made some money from family property sales, no kids, and took a chance. He worked as an english teacher before being hired here. I made the call simply because he brought no axes to grind nor agenda. History blank, prior service A.F. Smartass, smart aleck, funny as shit too. :first:

jrademacher

08-08-2008, 01:51 AM

Oh, BTW I did a FOIA for an incident that happened to me off base. USMC @ Bldg 1 decided to censor the information that showed the agency's error. It basically told me what I already knew and was a waste of my time. The report cited UCMJ as to the authority for censorship.

SGT_OKINAWA

08-12-2008, 02:15 AM

I guess I am one of those "mean" people on here. In another post you indicated that you aren't always like "this."

Guess what? Some of the people who hire are here and see you "only" like this. Maybe it's not fair. But that is the fact.

As far as the "good old boys network" you keep harping about, I don't see it in my world- not the way you mean it, where friends hire friends.

You are entitled to your own opinion of the "system." But making this "twisted system" your focus certainly isn't helping you, and I am very suspicious of anyone who rants and raves about a system they are not a part of.

Many people apply for jobs. What makes you so special? The fact that you want to live here? Everyone who applies wants to live here for the same reasons you do. Is your CV and resume blowing everyone else out of the water? Obviously not. The best person gets the job...and yeah, as in every other job in the world, you do need to network.

If that is part of the twisted system you refer to, then you need to accuse McDonald Douglass, MCCS, and Microsoft of the same twisted practices.

By the way, you "are" entitled to EEO protection under the same laws current employees are.

I have an interview for a GS-11 job tonight; I'll let you know how it goes.

Peace!:army:

OtisPMerriweather

08-12-2008, 08:26 AM

Maybe I just don't know what the hell I'm talking about (which is a distinct possibility) but wouldn't the simplest way to find out who got whatever job you are asking about be to just call that base, ask information for the number, and see who picks up the phone?

SGT_OKINAWA

08-12-2008, 11:49 PM

Oki alumni

08-13-2008, 12:56 AM

Yes, good idea! :thumbup:

also the GS-11 job interview went Awesome, I hope I get it !

Peace!:army:

The VERY BEST of wishes on this one...said with MUCH sincerity!!!:first::thumbup1::star:

-Oki Alumni:old:

SGT_OKINAWA

08-13-2008, 04:56 AM

The VERY BEST of wishes on this one...said with MUCH sincerity!!!:first::thumbup1::star:

-Oki Alumni:old:

Thank you !

THEY CALLED MY BOSS.... I THINK I GOT THE JOB !!! :grin1:

We shall see !! *Fingers Crossed*

Peace!:army:

SGT_OKINAWA

08-15-2008, 01:46 AM

Yes, good idea! :thumbup:

also the GS-11 job interview went Awesome, I hope I get it !

Peace!:army:

Turned it down.

Going to hold out for the Okinawa job, everyone says I am nuts to give up:

4 work days a week, Friday off every week.
Base housing for 500.00 a month
House Hold goods paid
two GS-12 report to me
Only 12 military on the whole base
only 40 contractors
potential to go to 12 in 3 years.

This is how much I want to get back to Okinawa!

Peace!:army:

TheLastDon

08-15-2008, 07:46 AM

Taz T

08-17-2008, 03:06 PM

Turned it down.

Going to hold out for the Okinawa job, everyone says I am nuts to give up:

4 work days a week, Friday off every week.
Base housing for 500.00 a month
House Hold goods paid
two GS-12 report to me
Only 12 military on the whole base
only 40 contractors
potential to go to 12 in 3 years.

This is how much I want to get back to Okinawa!

Peace!:army:

Nuts? By the sound of everything else that you have posted on here (Sgt), seems like you are just looking for attention.

Why brag about you "supposably" turned down. This just doesn't make any sense. If you want to be here in Okinawa, then come already. Quit whinning about how difficult things "would be" for you. If you are not willing to make that sacrafice to sell all of your possessions to come, then don't whine about it.

There are some of us who are struggling to find that "opportunity" here and yes it is difficult. As for me, I bitch all the time when I am found qualified for positions and I get that letter from CHRO stating that "we have selected someone else." What sucks is that I don't understand how I am found qualified for a job, but not given the opportunity for an interview. The way I see it, oh F-G well. I don't let that get under my skin. As long as I remain calm and patient, I am sure my time will come. All I can do is keep on truckin and not look back.

Anyhow, by the sounds of it, you seem like you are doing a heck of a lot better over where you are at considering you turned down a GS-11 position.

Just my opinion

SGT_OKINAWA

08-20-2008, 05:30 AM

Everyone says you're nuts? Nuts is not the first thing that comes to my mind. :-|:-|:-|:-|:-|

Ok, ok, I guess I was a bit dumb too, but I pry I get the last laugh...and the job in Okinawa works out and I see what you did there, sneaky you. *wink*

--------------------------

Taz T, I was not going to respond to this, but I just had too, and I know you and I are cool, we PM each other and it is all good. But I just wanted to reiterate / respond to your post with what i said in another thread...is all I can think of right now.

Nuts? By the sound of everything else that you have posted on here (Sgt), seems like you are just looking for attention.

Why brag about you "supposably" turned down. This just doesn't make any sense. If you want to be here in Okinawa, then come already. Quit whinning about how difficult things "would be" for you. If you are not willing to make that sacrafice to sell all of your possessions to come, then don't whine about it.

There are some of us who are struggling to find that "opportunity" here and yes it is difficult. As for me, I bitch all the time when I am found qualified for positions and I get that letter from CHRO stating that "we have selected someone else." What sucks is that I don't understand how I am found qualified for a job, but not given the opportunity for an interview. The way I see it, oh F-G well. I don't let that get under my skin. As long as I remain calm and patient, I am sure my time will come. All I can do is keep on truckin and not look back.

Anyhow, by the sounds of it, you seem like you are doing a heck of a lot better over where you are at considering you turned down a GS-11 position.

Just my opinion

[Sell everything]"Pick everything up and move to Okinawa with 2 suit cases and nothing more then a 90 day visa...

Like I said, I can't make the move, physically.

My kids don't speak (Very little), write none, and read none of Japanese,
they are half kids and that would be hell on them to try Japanese schools.
I have no savings money to spend for this "Adventure" you all say I should try.

I can't quit my job here and not have the money to pay the bills.

I appreciate the encouragement, but just not my style either.

Just because I DON'T do what you ask, and CAN'T make that "Faithful trip"
why all the hate?

I don’t bitch about the 100’s of jobs I did not get….I bitch about the Government and its spending practices....IAW PCS costs and local hire.
yet everyone here wants to dissect my personality, my job, my family, my
disabilities, my service to the nation, my personal Normal, Values and Beliefs.

What happened to 'everyone, NOT JUST SGT_OKINAWA' but all the guys and gals that apply
for jobs in Okinawa and DON"T come to these forums? Wouldn't it be nice if
the DOD took back the "PCS costs" and all the branches could put "PCS
Expenses will be authorized" on all government jobs around the world?
Peace!:army:

Peace!:army:

OtisPMerriweather

08-20-2008, 05:50 AM

Old Timer

08-20-2008, 07:25 AM

Hmmm...seems you'd have a lot more cash on hand had you taken that job, though. Also might have beefed up your resume even more, increasing your chances.

Is there a rule that says you couldn't quit if a job in Okinawa opened up?

He is required to spend at least 1 year, or pay back the entitlement spent to move him there....or something like that. Depends on agency/ NSPS agreement etc.

uriel

08-20-2008, 08:38 AM

Turned it down.

Going to hold out for the Okinawa job, everyone says I am nuts to give up:

4 work days a week, Friday off every week.
Base housing for 500.00 a month
House Hold goods paid
two GS-12 report to me
Only 12 military on the whole base
only 40 contractors
potential to go to 12 in 3 years.

This is how much I want to get back to Okinawa!

Peace!:army:

You are not too bright, are you? How hard would it be to get into the system by working in that job for a year or whatever, build up your resume by gaining more skills, save some money, and all the while trying to find a job over here? You don't WANT to go back to Okinawa, because if you did, you would use this as a stepping stone to get back. As it is, I know someone, who was in a similar position, who turned down any good job that came his way because it wasn't exactly what he wanted.

Have you ever heard the fable about the man in the ocean? His boat sank, and he was praying to God for help. A boat would come by and the person in it would ask if he needed help. He said no, he was waiting for God to help him. This happened three times. Well, he drowns. Gets to heaven, and he asks God why he didn't get helped. God asks him what he thought the 3 boats he sent him were. I'm not a preacher or thumper or anything like that, I just have heard the story and it seems to fit you, and while I can sorta feel for you in your situation, with this dumbass choice you just claimed to have made, my sympathy meter is dropping by the second.

EDIT: And yes, you are nuts for turning this down. I mean, who the heck doesn't want to work only 4 days a week????

SGT_OKINAWA

08-21-2008, 03:18 AM

Hmmm...seems you'd have a lot more cash on hand had you taken that job,

Okinawa vs. Yuma AZ job:

Okinawa increase in money:

$14,400 a year I spend in rent here in the USA = back in my pocket if I get to Oki.
$20,000+ my wife can (more easily) get a job in Japan, (She is Nihonjin - Japanese)
$3-5,000 a year in Cola if I get to Okinawa.
$1800 + a year saved on gas, (live on base in Oki) now I spend $4320 yr on gas to work.
$1200 + a year forced to use Commissary and PX ONLY, we get lazy, go to Wal-Mart

AZ increase in money:

From a 9 to 11 ~ 10,000 more a year.
$8,400 a year less in housing on base, 500 vs. 1200 a month.

though. Also might have beefed up your resume even more, increasing your chances.

Somewhat yes GS-11 notch, that is all. It is the same as I do now, the job in Okinawa is a whole portion of my career field I have not been able to do. Plus I can get my degree on Camp Foster, I like U of M classes a lot better then classes here in the USA.

Is there a rule that says you couldn't quit if a job in Okinawa opened up?

He is required to spend at least 1 year, or pay back the entitlement spent to move him there....or something like that. Depends on agency/ NSPS agreement etc.

Sorry to disagree, but I called our CPOL office here at Ft. Lee and the servicing CPOL office in AZ they both said, nothing will happen to me, no money taken back, nothing, nada and I could quit and take the Japan job anytime I wanted, even if my household goods were on their way to AZ. I could have done a “diversion” of the HHG.

You are not too bright, are you?

Gee thanks? Another great supporter of the Disabled Veterans of AMerica. :ohmy:

How hard would it be to get into the system

I’m in the system now, GS-9 right now, so just waiting for “Thee” job and not an “A” job.

by working in that job for a year or whatever, build up your resume

See above, it is not much to add to the resume, other then doing the same job I do now, but more money.

by gaining more skills, save some money, and all the while trying to find a job over here?

I have one lined up real soon, I hope it works.

You don't WANT to go back to Okinawa, because if you did, you would use this as a stepping stone to get back.[to the USA]

Ha ha, so wrong, you don’t know me and have not read all my other posts… I’ll come back to the USA alright, on vacation or in a pine box !

As it is, I know someone, who was in a similar position, who turned down any good job that came his way because it wasn't exactly what he wanted.

Charlie and the chocolate factory, Gean Wilder says “Charlie did you ever wonder what happened to the little boy who got everything he ever wanted? ~ He lived happily ever after”

I DON’T have to take an “A” job to temporarily satisfy my desire to hold out for the “Thee” job. And BTW – the job is only the tool to get me there, the 61% of being in Okinawa is not job related, so that 61% is going to have a big factor in what, where, when and how I get back there, and taking “A” type jobs I will still be 61% unhappy.

Have you ever heard the fable about the man in the ocean? His boat sank, and he was praying to God for help. A boat would come by and the person in it would ask if he needed help. He said no, he was waiting for God to help him. This happened three times. Well, he drowns. Gets to heaven, and he asks God why he didn't get helped. God asks him what he thought the 3 boats he sent him were.

I ask you have you ever read the book, WHO MOVED MY CHEESE?
And…
God helps those that help themselves… I’m still treading water and faithful to my Family, God and goal all equally.

I'm not a preacher or thumper or anything like that, I just have heard the story and it seems to fit you, and while I can sorta feel for you in your situation, with this dumbass choice you just claimed to have made, my sympathy meter is dropping by the second.

Just like dk said…close to this… “It’s your life, your choice, you don’t have to justify it to anyone but yourself, you can make your own choices.”

So why did the man go out in the ocean in a boat in the first place, to find his dream? Well that is how I’d like to die, with a purpose and not rotting away in some office in a job that “satisfies” my need for an income.

EDIT: And yes, you are nuts for turning this down. I mean, who the heck doesn't want to work only 4 days a week????

Ha ha, yeah that is sweet, but after time that would be ho hum.

$10,000.00 more a year in pay in AZ.

Or

$42,400.00 more a year in Okinawa - Plus go to school, wife is near her family for a few years and give mine a break for a while, see old friends, make new ones, be a part of the military community again, but don’t have to, (I wish I could) do all the extra crap that comes with being in the military and in Okinawa, urinalyses at 3 AM, PT at 5 AM, CQ duty, parades, formations, etc.

I hope you can see two main things out of this…

1. I am holding out for the “Thee” job and not a “A” job.
2. IF, I make it to Okinawa some day, oooh boy, it will be like hitting the lottery!

And I can just plain old check that off my list of things to accomplish in my life.

Check; 1. Get married to a great wonderful woman who understands me for who I am.

Check; 2. Have two happy healthy and very smart kids who I love more then myself.

Check; 3. See the band U2 in concert live; hear the band right into my head live.

4. Get a degree in anything, most likely Project Management or Business

5. Move back to Okinawa some day and do my second retirement (1st was from the military) on Okinawa and live out my days on the beach, swimming in the ocean, fishing, and listening to the ocean waves.

6. The list goes on…..

So if I hold out to get that “Thee” job, I will accomplish two things on my list at the same time, 4 + 5, maybe even more.

Peace!

Asshat

08-21-2008, 07:29 AM

Somewhat yes GS-11 notch, that is all. It is the same as I do now, the job in Okinawa is a whole portion of my career field I have not been able to do.

As I recall from earlier posts, that field was "logistics?" I know a lot of people in that field. I am sure they would want to hire you instead of the folks living here already with your same skills.

I know "I" hire GS-11's who only use the job as a stepping stone.

Did you forget, or did you ever realize that this is a very small island? Seriously, I have to wonder about your posts here, and how a manager- a selecting official would feel about hiring you, knowing you feel that manager has his or her position because they were one of the good ol' boys.

Seriously, you are not hard to figure out. I definitely wouldn't posting names of old friends who drive specific cars either....because some of us may know those folks too.

You are shooting yourself in the foot.

SGT_OKINAWA

08-21-2008, 11:38 PM

*Speaking form a happy chipper mood voice... I am not going to let AssHat get me down*

As I recall from earlier posts, that field was "logistics?"

The job I turned down? Closely related, it is in the QA field, 1910.

I know a lot of people in that field.

Threat #1

And now you plan to spread my distaste with the DOD policy that prevents all DOD jobs be listed as “PCS expenses paid”? LOL I can do that myself. :p

I am sure they would want to hire you instead of the folks living here already with your same skills.

Sarcastic remark I think, with threat number #2 :ohmy:

Ow, that hurts, again, like a few moths ago readers here needed to steer away from topic and dismantle ME and not the question of “Why don’t the DOD take back the PCS costs from the units and make all overseas jobs open to everyone with PCS expenses paid?”

I know "I" hire GS-11's who only use the job as a stepping stone.

See, we did not ask you to explain, or tell us what “YOU” do when you hire someone. :rolleyes: But aren’t you supposed to promote achievement / advancement in the workplace with the CES, Civilian Education System and the Logistics Career Program Training Path? The same training that tells you that you only have to stay a GS-5 for one year to then apply for GS-6, etc. etc. or are we on a different page?

Also, circumvent one of the GS/ NSPS system core items that allows a person the opportunity to advance WITHOUT a collage degree, based on their knowledge and experience? See that is just sad, the GS / NSPS system is designed with both educated and non-educated person in mind and you want to prevent that?

Did you forget, or did you ever realize that this is a very small island?

Threat #3 (Sounds like a bodily harm threat almost, No?) :7:

So now rather then say, good luck, and yeah you have a good point, good luck with that. You want threaten the one guy that dare speak up? Aside from that breakdown of MY LIFE, MY CHOICES and make me feel as if I don’t deserve a shot at a job in Japan? Wow, I hope we do meet some day, I think we could learn a lot from each other.

Seriously, I have to wonder about your posts here, and how a manager- a selecting official would feel about hiring you, knowing you feel that manager has his or her position because they were one of the good ol' boys.

Like I said before, I ask what is the difference between ‘good old boy’ and ‘Networking’ ?

One is illegal and one is legal? ha ha. I said I know it's there, it's alive and try to use it too, “Nice guys finish last” sort of thing. You can't tell me that a manager is going to say they don't use it? OMG, lots of people have said to me here in the JU boards and in life, "You gotta network man" heck even the TMPS class said to "Network"

Anyhow, these are all side topics to my main gripe. “PCS expenses paid”. That is why I had to turn down the AZ job to hold out for a job in Okinawa next year. DeCA probably won’t have the position anymore anyhow, but I got to keep trying.

Threat #4

And you are going to go look for something to connect me to my identity? I already posted my e-mail address someplace here, you can PM me and ask, I don’t care, why so much hate? Why do you care so much about it if a unit has PCS costs paid on a job listing or NO PCS costs paid on a listing, as a manager don’t you want to be able to hire from a larger pool of qualified candidates?

Please answer that question about the 'good old boy vs. networking' because I’m lost now, people tell me to do it here and you say it is wrong to use it?

And all these threats. I am not mad at you, why so personal?

I’m MAD at the DOD for its PCS expenses paid policy, but don’t “hate” the DOD, for pet’s sake I work for the DOD and have to defend working for them to my NON DOD friends who ask “How can you support Bush", "Why is the war taking so long” They think because I work for the government, I know the answers to any government question. :90:

What is your side with the policy, without talking about me, I talk about myslef enough, and jobs I turn down, but what is your take on the policy of not all jobs has PCS expenses paid?

Seriously, you are not hard to figure out.

Threat #5

And so what if you know my name, SSN, and favorite color, big deal, how does that change the fact that I dislike (hate) the single policy that not all DOD jobs overseas are NOT open to everyone around the plant, I am trying to help guys and gals like me make it back to Japan, Germany, France, etc.

I wish it was some sort of discrimination? My letters to my reps and congressmen/women would be worth morth then spit.

I definitely wouldn't posting names of old friends who drive specific cars either....because some of us may know those folks too.

I hope you do, please help me get a e-mail, or phone number? I miss ‘some’ lol :D… of those guys and gals, I hope to some day see them and hang out with them again, Nago Circuit, Tako-yama, etc. Oh and those guys and gals, really really really hate the DOD a hell of a lot more then I do, LOL! :)

You are shooting yourself in the foot.

Threat #6 (Idle type)

So your comments here are to do what? Persuade me to give up? Stop trying for a job in Japan? Call DeCA and tell them I want to take back all my applications that are still open or on file for future possibilities? Please, I have nothing to hide, I posted many of my physical disabilities, life style, food habits, medications I take, where I live, what job I do, who I know, what branch of service I retired from, etc.. PM me and I’ll tell you all that. Any boss, manager, whatever that can't talk with thier people openly and would troll this JU boards to look for dirt?

Sad. :rolleyes:

oh and I'm not even close to talking about anything sensitive, classified, or organization specific. Your threats are more substantiated then my dislike for a DOD policy, and a guy who drives a yellow RX7.

We can PM however and I ask that you respond in kind if an answer is given, it’s not a one way street when conversing about personal matters. And as dk told me once. "Information given in a PM is not to be publically broadcasted" so don’t worry I won’t tell anyone who you are, or where you work, etc. I have good PM “conversation” manners.

dk told me too,.. like who you are, what you do and your friends and family are stronger then some message board.

Ja-ne. Mate-ne, !

Peace!:army:

uriel

08-21-2008, 11:42 PM

I haven't figured out this whole multi quoting bit, so, bold is quoted from you, non bold, me.

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Originally Posted by uriel View Post
You are not too bright, are you?
Gee thanks? Another great supporter of the Disabled Veterans of AMerica.

Has nothing to do with the disabled vets and everything to do with ridiculous choices.

Quote:
Originally Posted by uriel View Post
by working in that job for a year or whatever, build up your resume
See above, it is not much to add to the resume, other then doing the same job I do now, but more money.

Okay, so more money while you are trying to get over here is bad? Yeah, I guess...

Quote:
Originally Posted by uriel View Post
by gaining more skills, save some money, and all the while trying to find a job over here?
I have one lined up real soon, I hope it works.

I'm gonna laugh when you come back with some dumb stuff like you turned that down too cause it ain't in Oki.

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Originally Posted by uriel View Post
You don't WANT to go back to Okinawa, because if you did, you would use this as a stepping stone to get back.[to the USA]
Ha ha, so wrong, you don’t know me and have not read all my other posts… I’ll come back to the USA alright, on vacation or in a pine box !

No, I have read your other posts, which is why I say what I say. If you want it, you will make the sacrifices, you will do the crap jobs, or the ones that pay MORE while you are waiting for something to open up here that will hire you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by uriel View Post
As it is, I know someone, who was in a similar position, who turned down any good job that came his way because it wasn't exactly what he wanted.
Charlie and the chocolate factory, Gean Wilder says “Charlie did you ever wonder what happened to the little boy who got everything he ever wanted? ~ He lived happily ever after”

Difference between him and you? He got what he wanted.

I DON’T have to take an “A” job to temporarily satisfy my desire to hold out for the “Thee” job. And BTW – the job is only the tool to get me there, the 61% of being in Okinawa is not job related, so that 61% is going to have a big factor in what, where, when and how I get back there, and taking “A” type jobs I will still be 61% unhappy.

Why is everything with you "either, or"? You don't have to take "A" job and stay for life. But if "A" job pays better that what you have "now", it would make more sense to take that while you are pining away for the job you want here. It's called temporary. Or transitional. Or whatever you want it to be.

Quote:
I ask you have you ever read the book, WHO MOVED MY CHEESE?
And…
God helps those that help themselves… I’m still treading water and faithful to my Family, God and goal all equally.

Yeah, and you are getting higher paying job opportunities and passing on them to wait for the job that may never come. Why not, in the INTERUM take the higher paying job because really, all you are doing IS treading water.

Just like dk said…close to this… “It’s your life, your choice, you don’t have to justify it to anyone but yourself, you can make your own choices.”

If that's the way you feel, why do you constantly come on here whining about being oppressed by the man, passed over, not hired, to people here, some of whom may or may not be involved with your "injustices" or know who is and the reasons behind them?

So why did the man go out in the ocean in a boat in the first place, to find his dream? Well that is how I’d like to die, with a purpose and not rotting away in some office in a job that “satisfies” my need for an income.

You keep alluding to "A" job being permanent. It's not. It's a means to an end. You are like a broken record. Just like my younger brother. Nothing good ever comes his way. Crappy jobs, crappy car, crazy girlfriend. Bitch of it is, every one of those things happened because of his hairbrained choices that we all advised against when he asked.

$10,000.00 more a year in pay in AZ.

Or

$42,400.00 more a year in Okinawa - Plus go to school, wife is near her family for a few years and give mine a break for a while, see old friends, make new ones, be a part of the military community again, but don’t have to, (I wish I could) do all the extra crap that comes with being in the military and in Okinawa, urinalyses at 3 AM, PT at 5 AM, CQ duty, parades, formations, etc.

You are missing the point that I am trying to drum into your thick skull. You are looking at it as one or the other. Take the damn job that pays more. Continue trying to get the job in oki. Why? Because one will help your family now, while the other is a pipe dream until you actually get hired, if you ever do. Some don't. So while you are waiting for the job that may never materialize, you are passing up jobs that can help your family out more than saying "Yeah, well, IF I got a job I would get this much more". Oki is a nice thing to strive for, but don't screw your family in the process.

And, if I were you, I would take the advice of asshat and tone down what you say here. While I am not one of the civilians that do hiring, I can fully understand what he is saying.

08-21-2008, 11:50 PM

dk told me too,.. like who you are, what you do and your friends and family are stronger then some message board.
DK's just a kid without a job. What does he know? \:-)

uriel

08-21-2008, 11:51 PM

Threat #1

And now you plan to spread my distaste with the DOD policy that prevents all DOD jobs be listed as “PCS expenses paid”? LOL I can do that myself. :p

Sarcastic remark I think, with threat number #2 :ohmy:

See, we did not ask you to explain, or tell us what “YOU” do when you hire someone. :rolleyes: But aren’t you supposed to promote achievement / advancement in the workplace with the CES, Civilian Education System and the Logistics Career Program Training Path? The same training that tells you that you only have to stay a GS-5 for one year to then apply for GS-6, etc. etc. or are we on a different page?

Threat #3 (Sounds like a bodily harm threat almost, No?) :7:

Like I said before, I ask what is the difference between ‘good old boy’ and ‘Networking’ ?

Threat #4

And you are going to go look for something to connect me to my identity? I already posted my e-mail address someplace here, you can PM me and ask, I don’t care, why so much hate? Why do you care so much about it if a unit has PCS costs paid on a job listing or NO PCS costs paid on a listing, as a manager don’t you want to be able to hire from a larger pool of qualified candidates?

And all these threats. I am not mad at you, why so personal?

Threat #5

And so what if you know my name, SSN, and favorite color, big deal, how does that change the fact that I dislike (hate) the single policy that not all DOD jobs overseas are NOT open to everyone around the plant, I am trying to help guys and gals like me make it back to Japan, Germany, France, etc.

Threat #6 (Idle type)

So your comments here are to do what? Persuade me to give up? Stop trying for a job in Japan? Call DeCA and tell them I want to take back all my applications that are still open or on file for future possibilities? Please, I have nothing to hide, I posted many of my physical disabilities, life style, food habits, medications I take, where I live, what job I do, who I know, what branch of service I retired from, etc.. PM me and I’ll tell you all that. Any boss, manager, whatever that can't talk with thier people openly and would troll this JU boards to look for dirt?

We can PM however and I ask that you respond in kind if an answer is given, it’s not a one way street when conversing about personal matters. And as dk told me once. "Information given in a PM is not to be publically broadcasted" so don’t worry I won’t tell anyone who you are, or where you work, etc. I have good PM “conversation” manners.

dk told me too,.. like who you are, what you do and your friends and family are stronger then some message board.

Ja-ne. Mate-ne, !

Peace!:army:

You have officially picked up the crown of Mayor of batshitcrazyville. Unless something was sent to you in PM's, none of what was posted were threats. None. You are so paranoid it's coming through the computer and now I think someone is watching me. Whatever drug you're on, you may want to think about what you are saying because it is making you look like a fool. For example, when asshat wrote that you are not hard to figure out, he meant as far as the type of person you are in a general way. Common sense tells you that, not that he can get your personal info. You need to go have a beer or something man. Work off some stress.:thumbup1:

SGT_OKINAWA

08-22-2008, 05:32 AM

Has nothing to do with the disabled vets and everything to do with ridiculous choices.

Yes, my choice. Thank you very much.

Okay, so more money while you are trying to get over here is bad? Yeah, I guess...

I never said I was hurting for money? There we go again, dismantle me, and not my question about PCS expenses paid. BTW the JOB IS IN Okinawa and it is being advertised, DeCA offices confirmed my submission already.

by gaining more skills, save some money, and all the while trying to find a job over here?

No more skills now, it’s what I do now. So you’ve got nothing there.

I'm gonna laugh when you come back with some dumb stuff like you turned that down too cause it ain't in Oki.

Umm, I just paid 7 grand out of my own pocket to move last year to my current job, I did not turn it down a year ago, and the one I turned down in AZ happen to open same day the Okinawa one did. Plus I am not any worse off then I was 5 months ago. Happy, and doing fine.

No, I have read your other posts, which is why I say what I say.

I was talking to AssHat NOT YOU.

If you want it, you will make the sacrifices

Ha ha, nope you ain’t read any of my other posts.

you will do the crap jobs

I applied for GS jobs all the way from ditch digger to brain surgeon for the last 6 years! I’d take a GS-2 job IF THEY PAID PCS EXPENSES AND DODDS SCHOOLS AND BASE HOUSEING…

Again you have not kept up with the subject matter and again, dismantling ME and not my topic of PCS Expenses paid for ALL DOD jobs.

or the ones that pay MORE while you are waiting for something to open up here that will hire you.

I’m doing that, I just paid 7K out of my own pocket last year to move to VA and it was two pay grades / steps up. To move to AZ for 2 days then re-pack to go to Okinawa is not what I wanted to do. I like my job here and yeah the AZ job was a better one, but again \0/ my choice, please stop dismantling me, that is mean!

Charlie and the chocolate factory, Gean Wilder says “Charlie did you ever wonder what happened to the little boy who got everything he ever wanted? ~ He lived happily ever after”

Difference between him and you? He got what he wanted.

And that is one way to do it, get one single shot with a golden ticket. What about the factory workers that work in the chocolate factory? One mans dream is another man’s job. I want a “Thee” job not a “A” job, the AZ job was just another “A” job with some “perks”

Why is everything with you "either, or"? You don't have to take "A" job and stay for life. But if "A" job pays better that what you have "now", it would make more sense to take that while you are pining away for the job you want here. It's called temporary. Or transitional. Or whatever you want it to be.

You know what, that is great for you and I am sure YOU would be /been happy with that, but not for me, I don’t need to put my family through the move, schools etc, for another “A” job. Again dismantling ME and NOT my main topic of PCS expenses paid for ALL DOD jobs.

Yeah, and you are getting higher paying job opportunities and passing on them to wait for the job that may never come. Why not, in the INTERUM take the higher paying job because really, all you are doing IS treading water.

So go ashore and stop trading water, when moments later the “Thee” job boat passes by, I am my own carrer councelor, WHY am I explaining MY life, job and habits to you and AssHat … Because people don’t know about, care about or are afraid to comment on the topic at hand, PCS Expenses paid for all DOD jobs. A manager has a great pool t choose from….

I’m not against the dependant spouses and kids on Okinawa, In fact - I live with three of them now (Just not in Okinawa right now), lol. So please stop taking this as a PERSONAL attack on dependants, but rather dependants just happen to be one of the “tools” the DOD uses in preventing the need to open all DOD jobs to the whole world with PCS Expenses paid on ALL DOD jobs. The same could be said about illegal immigrants taking jobs from Americans who need the jobs…. Etc. etc. etc.

If that's the way you feel, why do you constantly come on here whining about being oppressed by the man, passed over, not hired

Because of the DOD policy of PCS Expenses NOT paid on ALL DOD jobs. And some people here have given very nice and supportive advice! Wow!

to people here, some of whom may or may not be involved with your "injustices" or know who is and the reasons behind them?

HQ DOD read Japan UpDate forums? Holy hell maybe I will get my point across! LOL!

see next post....

SGT_OKINAWA

08-22-2008, 05:33 AM

....part 2.... :smile4:

You keep alluding to "A" job being permanent. It's not. It's a means to an end.

I know that, I just paid 7,000.00 out of my own pocket to move to my current job last year, and it is now turning into a “A” job after I have already used it for what I need and as proof I am getting calls for GS-11 offers.
Again dismantling ME and not focusing on the main topic….bla bla bla.

You are like a broken record.

More like squeaky wheel gets the oil, and not really has anyone answered my question, why does the Civilian Corps allow the rare occasion of PCS expenses and Sofa and etc, for overseas jobs in German, France, Japan, Austrailia, etc..

This is NOT about me and how dumb, or stupid my choices about one “A” job, it is about PCS expenses paid on ALL DOD jobs world wide.

Just like my younger brother. Nothing good ever comes his way. Crappy jobs, crappy car, crazy girlfriend. Bitch of it is, every one of those things happened because of his hairbrained choices that we all advised against when he asked.

Again, just like AssHat told me about his hiring practices, an now you brother, I don’t nor need to know about your personal business unless asked or you are making a general statement about something, “My brother got laid off today, blab la bla..” or like I did, “Hey I may get a GS-11 job in AZ.” – “Oh never mind I got a job lined up in Okinawa.”
I was just adding a general statement related to the main topic of PCS expenses paid for ALL DOD jobs world wide.

You are missing the point that I am trying to drum into your thick skull.

Another personal attack.

You are looking at it as one or the other. Take the damn job that pays more. Continue trying to get the job in oki. Why?

I already told you why I did what I did, and again dismantling ME, and not addressing the main topic… ~….world wide.

Because one will help your family now

Sir, Ma’am, (I don’t know what to call you) but I never said I am in dire straight at the moment, I said it makes me mad that the DOD forces units to choose: New Truck or PCS one civilian to Okinawa. Also why DOD does not have all jobs with PCS expenses paid for all GS jobs.

while the other is a pipe dream until you actually get hired, if you ever do.

That may very well be, but while the current OKINAWA JAPAN job is on the table, I am not going to rock the boat, and if this ONE job in Okinawa fall down, then … there are plenty of GS-11 jobs out there. I have had 3 GS-11 job interviews in the last month, lol !

Some don't. So while you are waiting for the job that may never materialize, you are passing up jobs that can help your family out more than saying "Yeah, well, IF I got a job I would get this much more". Oki is a nice thing to strive for, but don't screw your family in the process.

Ha ha, again dismantling me and not the topic… and BTW YOU really don’t know my wife! Ha ha ha! She and I worked it out and agreed it is okay to hold off a bit for the current job in Okinawa, …. So she is the ONLY one I have to dismantle my habbits and choice too, not you.

And, if I were you, I would take the advice of asshat and tone down what you say here. While I am not one of the civilians that do hiring, I can fully understand what he is saying.

Again, my choice, maybe someone here will read this and have a answer to the question about why PCS expenses are not paid for all jobs and why the DOD pits dependant spouses against veterans. Maybe they will make some special category where dependants log inot a totally separate site made just for jobs for them that us veterans IndaUSA and Old Timer, and others here don’t have to see or read about.

You have officially picked up the crown of Mayor of batshitcrazyville.

Oh real nice, name calling, and not on topic. Also picking personal things, not about the main topic, who is showing more manners, experience and wisdom here? You, AssHat, or anyone else who only responds with negative dismantling / analyzing comments and not about the topic of FOIA and DOD policies.

I respect simple post like dk said, … “Your choce guy, good luck” because he said he had NO response to the topic and could not explain WHY the DOD does what they do.

Unless something was sent to you in PM's, none of what was posted were threats. None. You are so paranoid it's coming through the computer and now I think someone is watching me.

That is what YOU see, and I see it another way, it is called human emotion and vulnerabilities, he was ever so graciously “warning” / “Threaten me” as to “tone it down or else” and that was between him and I. Yeah might have been better had he done it in a PM, sure, I could have taken it as “Advice” but in public it comes across as a threat to me.

Whatever drug you're on, you may want to think about what you are saying because it is making you look like a fool.

Again thanks for the Personal attack! (Dare I call it a threat?)

For example, when asshat wrote that you are not hard to figure out, he meant as far as the type of person you are in a general way. Common sense tells you that, not that he can get your personal info.

Again, AssHat and I have had personal PM’s and I know where and how he was coming across and I was rebutting to HIM, not YOU.

You need to go have a beer or something man. Work off some stress.:thumbup1:

Again, a personal attack suggesting I am wrong, dumb, or worthless.

So, I think I am entitled to send one back at YOU. Here comes my “advice” to you who might want to be careful who you are talking to, there might be Active Duty, Veterans, Retired Military, Disabled veterans, or dare I say DOD personnel from HQ of the branches of the military reading here and don’t like you attacks and personal dismantling of someone looking for advice on how to better a program that discriminates against veterans and DOD jobs overseas / DOD policies placing “value” on veterans vs. dependants. Let alone toss in disabled veterans and yeah I earned the right to use that title (Even though I wish I could get back in the military, - the deployments, lol, j/k) and YOU have not been following my other posts, because you would know that I am a bit off kilter mentally and my other 19 ailments. So let me just sit back, relax and wait for AssHat to show up and the Adults can get back to our topic of … DOD Policy of NO PCS expenses paid for ALL DOD Jobs world wide.

Peace! :D

uriel

08-22-2008, 09:35 AM

Burado

08-22-2008, 10:17 AM

SGT_OKINAWA

08-22-2008, 09:36 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by uriel
You need to go have a beer or something man. Work off some stress.

Again, a personal attack suggesting I am wrong, dumb, or worthless.

Where are you getting this???? Is english not your 1st, 2nd, or 3rd language? Nowhere did I say anything about being wrong, dumb, or worthless. I SAID YOU NEED TO WORK OFF SOME STRESS!!!!, anyone writes anything here and you twist it into a threat. How did you survive even this long in the real world thinking like that? Jeez man. Best of luck with the job search. Make ya feel better?

Sorry, English IS my first language and Japanese my second. (BTW – English should be spelled with a capital letter last time I checked) But, not attacking you on your grammar, mine is horrible at times, lol ! Oh and thank you for the advice and best wished on the job hunt, I really do appreciate that, and had that been said in the first place, … *sigh*

:(
Yes, I’m sorry I misunderstood the tone of your LAST statement therefore, I should have given YOU the benefit of the doubt, however after the first 26 stabs, I was under the impression you were berating me or not complementing at all or speaking sarcastically at me. Now I see that LAST ONE as advice and again sorry and I thank you.

Now I will be polite and answer your questions….(Without using the quote thingy) :D

Stress? I do relive stress, I walk, (What amount I can do, with my ailments, I do well, I try to look as ‘what I can do’ and not ‘what I can’t do’) stretch, do self meditation, play computer games, "Die Strogg die, lol!" Talk, walk, listen and watch the kids and really watch them, see how their minds work and enjoy seeing them create, grow and adapt, kids are so wonderful! Boy they are some smart kids, my daughter got 3rd place in science fair first year trying! Anyhow, again, I thank you for the advice, I need to start walking more, now that it is a bit cooler outside. :thumbup:

Back to the responses I made, except for the last statement I made, I assume that by not responding to the 26 other answers I made to you, YOU AGREE WITH ALL 26 OF THEM? WOW! :ohmy:

But what does bother me, :rolleyes: is you actively engaged me into 15 questions of your own to start with, saying you read all my other posts and yet I responded to 27 of YOUR questions, statements or comments, etc and you repay me by respond to only one (1) mistake I made?

That shows in my judgment very little respect or character on your part. Maybe that is why I responded to your last statement the way I did, not sure. Humm... maybe I was foreseeing a lack of character or response or care on your part, based on the “stabs” you presented in the first place? Was I right? I think I was close, obviously because you choose to respond to the one “mistake” I made, hummm?

Character: Doing what is right when no one is watching.

Also we are so far off topic, and I kept saying it over and over, yet you failed to address, or even acknowledge it?

Owie, not nice.

See, dk was right; no matter how detailed I post and try to explain wo, what, where, when, why, anyone that “attacks me and not the topic” it’s still my choice to do what I want to do.

However, I try to be nice and feel obligated to be polite and respond to questions asked. See my signature, ... (down there) the quote from dk ? That is all that matters as of right now, until this DeCA job can pan out. :thumbup1:

Oh, of topic btw –

And even after you still are berating me, I want to give some help to you…
how you do the quoting thing is copy and paste the [q u o t e = u r I e l ; 1 4 0 7 3 1 ] part and the [ / Q U O T E ] part someplace on the page together and then re copy them so they are on your clipboard. Then you can paste them before and after and use the part you need, enter their information into the middle too, i.e.

[q uote=uriel;140731] XXXX [/quote]

XXXX is what the other person said, and the words quote need to be spelled correct, I put a space in there so It will show the code. I hope that helps, if not, just ask around and I’m sure there are some people here that can explain it better then I can.

Peace!:army:

SGT_OKINAWA

08-22-2008, 09:39 PM

Dude, if you really want to come to Okinawa then come. I as well as others have made the move here and worked chump jobs until we found a job that was better. Life is short and if you wait for the perfect gig you'll find yourself old and bitter and still not on Okinawa. Just my opinion. Interesting reading though...........

:34a:

I hear ya bro, thanks for the advice, but not at this time, ... lol just read ALL of my posts around here, I've explained why to many times now. ha ha :D

Peace!:army:

DoctorP

08-22-2008, 09:48 PM

anyone know where to get one of these fixed?

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3953/brokenrecordjh1.jpg

uriel

08-22-2008, 09:51 PM

not that I agree or don't agree with your 27 posts, but man, my head hurts. my fingers are bleeding. in the end, i agree with your quest to get here. i don't blame you for that. i disagree with your methods, reasons, and willingness to take it where i think i would. and that's fine. we are 2 different people. i was thinking about it, and trying to get you to think, behave, and be like me is as senseless as trying to argue which religion is "better". so, I concede that your methods differ from mine and are no better or worse. i do wish you best of luck with the search.

EDIT: if you don't want people attacking, perceived or otherwise, your methods, reasoning, or anything about you, I would suggest not putting your personal stuff out there. i'm just saying...

SGT_OKINAWA

08-22-2008, 09:52 PM

anyone know where to get one of these fixed?

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3953/brokenrecordjh1.jpg

Ha ha, you are funny !! :first:

But ... gee dismantling me … and not addressing the topic, question, or advice.. sheezh!

Peace!:D

SGT_OKINAWA

08-22-2008, 09:58 PM

DoctorP

08-22-2008, 10:01 PM

SGT_OKINAWA

08-22-2008, 10:08 PM

nothing against you Sgt...actually hope that you eventually make it here...but reading the same exact bs each time you reply is getting BORING!

At least get a little creative in your answers or something man.

Okay... :rolleyes: sorry, I'm a boring guy :D, so I'll need some tips, got any?:thumbup1:

Oh and I'm just waiting for AssHat to respond. He is way more fun to argue (http://movementarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg) with !

Peace!:army: :D

SGT_OKINAWA

09-10-2008, 04:10 AM

So far so good, job has closed, and got confirmation that I have applied for it,...

Next step is to see the web site say "Your resume has been referred to the selecting official"

Then next is a call from CPAC in Alaska.

*Crossing fingers*

Peace! :thumbup1:

donden76

09-10-2008, 05:05 AM

I guess I am one of those "mean" people on here. In another post you indicated that you aren't always like "this."

Guess what? Some of the people who hire are here and see you "only" like this. Maybe it's not fair. But that is the fact.

As far as the "good old boys network" you keep harping about, I don't see it in my world- not the way you mean it, where friends hire friends.

You are entitled to your own opinion of the "system." But making this "twisted system" your focus certainly isn't helping you, and I am very suspicious of anyone who rants and raves about a system they are not a part of.

Many people apply for jobs. What makes you so special? The fact that you want to live here? Everyone who applies wants to live here for the same reasons you do. Is your CV and resume blowing everyone else out of the water? Obviously not. The best person gets the job...and yeah, as in every other job in the world, you do need to network.

If that is part of the twisted system you refer to, then you need to accuse McDonald Douglass, MCCS, and Microsoft of the same twisted practices.

By the way, you "are" entitled to EEO protection under the same laws current employees are.

ASSHAT , do you still hire there? The better half is being transfered in and since i had my career, I follow now.