**** Job opening on Okinawa, SOFA and PCS expenses paid. ****

[SGT_OKINAWA]

https://cpolwapp.belvoir.army.mil/public/vabSelfNom/index.jsp

DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
Vacancy Announcement Number: WTFC08786038

Opening Date: July 31, 2008 Closing Date: August 14, 2008

Position: SUPV TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SPEC, YA-2102-2 (GS-9'ish)
Salary: $39,407 - $51,738 Annual
Place of Work: US Army Garrison, Japan, Directorate of Logistics, Okinawa, Japan

Position Status: This is a Permanent position. -- Full Time
Number of Vacancy: 01

See we just need to give someone a blow job to get it... (More on this below)

The jobs are out there and the people that are the hireing authority for them KNOW there are a ton of people that want them, so they just sit back and laugh as we all beg for these jobs, F-N cruel bastards.

And after we apply for it, you can watch the blood trail “The recruiting action for this position has been canceled” or “You were not among the best qualified candidates for this position” and ...

the trail follows this path sometimes...the hiring authority gave the job to their friend and that friend passes it along to their friends, until someone they know is willing to just "settle" for a job in Okinawa and takes it from a pool of floating disabled veterans dying to get back to Okinawa.

"Hello, my name is Chris; I just got a job with the DOD in Okinawa Japan. I have never been in the military, don't know anything about it and took this job because it looked like fun. Any advice on living in Japan would be helpful. I wonder if I'll have to walk through rice paddies to get to work?"

Japan Update is NOT the center of the F-N universe for topics on Okinawa BTW. Jobs in Okinawa and the like at discussed in many other locations on the net. Many are HELPFUL too, unlike some of the mean people here.

The above was taken from another forum I frequent. Yes this guy does have a degree and did not know anyone in the DOD or in Japan; he just applied and got the job because he has a piece of paper that says he knows more then the rest of us uneducated dumb disabled veterans.

“uneducated dumb disabled veterans” wow starting to become a self fulfilling prophecy!

Ooops I said something smart, cat is out of the bag now, better stop now, got to keep up my "I'z a dumba disgabled Vetran hoe not now anythings.

:rolleyes:

Peace!:army:

[vvloc]

Ever been in a snake pit SGT? In my ten years here, I have never seen such a deep and pervasive attitude of dog eat dog, as now. The misery index for jobs is beyond belief, and if you think it bad within the military community, you should try running with us civilians.

I can't tell you how badly I've been ripped by "friends" in would-be business ventures.

[Oki alumni]

Ever been in a snake pit SGT? In my ten years here, I have never seen such a deep and pervasive attitude of dog eat dog, as now. The misery index for jobs is beyond belief, and if you think it bad within the military community, you should try running with us civilians.

I can't tell you how badly I've been ripped by "friends" in would-be business ventures.

BEING a contractor, if you have the skills, CAN be fairly lucrutive. The paperwork to qualify is only slightly complicated (Dun & Bradstreet as well as "official recognition") and the payoff IS worth the effort. I ALMOST landed a million plus contract for a 3 or 4 man operation, but had to back out at the last minute because I couldn't get a project manager to take on the tasking.

I'm now VERY happily retired, and glad to be out of the politics of work. I leave this dubious pleasure to younger and more intelligent folks than myself.

-Oki Alumni:old:

[vvloc]

am only tangentially younger than you, and the only skills I have are my hunt and peck typing,, reasonably good computer researching abilities, and cooking. If you hear of a job requiring such "skills", please DO let me know; otherwise only a republican gutted social security check awaits me.

dawg food and miso shiro for the rest of my life doesn't appeal to me!

[Daniela]

I wonder if it is really worth your efforts; this desperate job hunt seems to have turned you into a bitter, sarcastic, and negative person.
If those are the vibes you are sending out while job hunting no wonder you are not having any successes.
Sorry dude, I feel for ya' (:

[vvloc]

Don't really know who your referring to, Daniela, me or the Sarge.

Although, I'd love a real job, my wife, the 96 lb. ninja-commando is a Uni professor; and I do ALL the cooking to keep her healthy.

Stock market portfolio creation and medical editing helps me contribute to the income.

Haven't really applied for or interviewed for anything in a dawg's age.

[Daniela]

Dude,
sorry. I was talking about the Sarge. You sound perfectly fine:)

[vvloc]

Dude,
sorry. I was talking about the Sarge. You sound perfectly fine:)

No prob, Daniela; although perfectly fine is not quite how I'd consider myself - a tad daft, perhaps!

[z's inmate#2341]

above was taken from another forum I frequent. Yes this guy does have a degree and did not know anyone in the DOD or in Japan; he just applied and got the job because he has a piece of paper that says he knows more then the rest of us uneducated dumb disabled veterans.

“uneducated dumb disabled veterans” wow starting to become a self fulfilling prophecy!
Or maybe he got the job because his anger and bitterness didn't show in his application/interview:scratchchin:

[DoctorP]

am only tangentially younger than you, and the only skills I have are my hunt and peck typing,, reasonably good computer researching abilities, and cooking. If you hear of a job requiring such "skills", please DO let me know; otherwise only a republican gutted social security check awaits me.

dawg food and miso shiro for the rest of my life doesn't appeal to me!

Burger King is always hiring vv!:D

j/k...but surely you have other skills.

[vvloc]

I think my listing of the THREE skills above is the UNabridged version, but thanks anyway.

Can you work at BK if you only speak "hogen?"

[DoctorP]

How good are your language skills? Ever take the JLPT?

[vvloc]

How good are your language skills? Ever take the JLPT?

NO Nihongo, fair hogen; some English

[DoctorP]

There are occasional translator positions that open up, that is why I was asking.

[vvloc]

There are occasional translator positions that open up, that is why I was asking.

Hey, I DO appreciate it, DocP, but even though the 97 lb ninja-commando teaches ryugaksai - Japanese language and culture to foreigners, I am not one of her students:D

A VERY wise man once told me that marriage is difficult enough without adding a student/teacher relationship into the mix!

[Daniela]

What about subbing at the DODDS schools. My daughter is telling me some horrific tales about their subs. You can only improve my opinion about them.

[Oki alumni]

Or maybe he got the job because his anger and bitterness didn't show in his application/interview:scratchchin:

...and maybe it's because CPO didn't hire a disabled vet with HIGH preference, even though the law requires them to do this. CPO is, in my opinion, a highly selective "'hood", filled with hoodlums.

I'm glad to be outta THAT frikkin' rat-race!

-Oki Alumni:old: (Don't forget, hire the VET...[after dogs, cats, and miscellaneous other low-life].

[dk]

What about subbing at the DODDS schools.
How old is your daughter? Don't kids always talk smack about their teachers?

[Daniela]

She is 13, but I trust her. I know she talks in class and tries not to do her homework. Usually I am on the side of the teachers, even if it is just because I couldn't do what they do.
This one though couldn't handle a class of talking teenagers. She was young and still had a lot to learn.
With 3 kids a have heard some great stories that's for sure.

edited to say: my son once had a sub that was addicted gambling and would talk to the kids about in class and another was playing video games. The kids loved it. No work to be done

[Tanimaga]

...and maybe it's because CPO didn't hire a disabled vet with HIGH preference, even though the law requires them to do this. CPO is, in my opinion, a highly selective "'hood", filled with hoodlums.

I'm glad to be outta THAT frikkin' rat-race!

-Oki Alumni:old: (Don't forget, hire the VET...[after dogs, cats, and miscellaneous other low-life].


I applied for a position a few years back, and was qualified.. but didn't get the job. Okinawa being as small as it is, I knew the guy who did get the position. He had none of the qualifications I did, and left the job in one month. I re-applied for it when it reopened, and was told that I didn't meet the minimum qualifications for the position.

Called up CPO and asked them why I was qualified 2 months ago, and not now..and that the previous fellow didn't have any experience at all. The lady said it's because I didn't have component level electronics troubleshooting experience..

Listen lady..I'm holding my application as we are speaking.. third paragraph..second sentence.."component level troubleshooting".

After a few seconds of "Umm..umm..", she asked if I'm going to be "Ok", but offered nothing else.

The system does seem pretty flawed at times.. never got the job either. :thumbdown:

[DoctorP]

I applied for a position a few years back, and was qualified.. but didn't get the job. Okinawa being as small as it is, I knew the guy who did get the position. He had none of the qualifications I did, and left the job in one month. I re-applied for it when it reopened, and was told that I didn't meet the minimum qualifications for the position.

Called up CPO and asked them why I was qualified 2 months ago, and not now..and that the previous fellow didn't have any experience at all. The lady said it's because I didn't have component level electronics troubleshooting experience..

Listen lady..I'm holding my application as we are speaking.. third paragraph..second sentence.."component level troubleshooting".

After a few seconds of "Umm..umm..", she asked if I'm going to be "Ok", but offered nothing else.

The system does seem pretty flawed at times.. never got the job either. :thumbdown:

I've had the same problem. Then went down and explained line for line why I was indeed qualified...only to watch them eat crow and start kissing my ass.
Didn't get the job, probably should have filed a grievance, but let it go and had the satisfaction of knowing that I knew their job better than they did.

[Odie]

I applied for a position a few years back, and was qualified.. but didn't get the job. Okinawa being as small as it is, I knew the guy who did get the position. He had none of the qualifications I did, and left the job in one month. I re-applied for it when it reopened, and was told that I didn't meet the minimum qualifications for the position.

Called up CPO and asked them why I was qualified 2 months ago, and not now..and that the previous fellow didn't have any experience at all. The lady said it's because I didn't have component level electronics troubleshooting experience..

Listen lady..I'm holding my application as we are speaking.. third paragraph..second sentence.."component level troubleshooting".

After a few seconds of "Umm..umm..", she asked if I'm going to be "Ok", but offered nothing else.

The system does seem pretty flawed at times.. never got the job either. :thumbdown:

Out of curiosity, did you submit an application or a resume? If you submitted an application I would advise going the federal resume route. You can highlight your experience and qualifications via bullets which make them stand out. I don't think the people at CHRO spend much time reviewing the resumes.

If you did submit your application in a resume format then I have nothing.

[Tanimaga]

Out of curiosity, did you submit an application or a resume? If you submitted an application I would advise going the federal resume route. You can highlight your experience and qualifications via bullets which make them stand out. I don't think the people at CHRO spend much time reviewing the resumes.

If you did submit your application in a resume format then I have nothing.

It was the only format they would accept at the time.. a SF-171. Properly filled out since they accepted it and said I was qualified.

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Ever been in a snake pit SGT? In my ten years here, I have never seen such a deep and pervasive attitude of dog eat dog, as now. The misery index for jobs is beyond belief, and if you think it bad within the military community, you should try running with us civilians.

I can't tell you how badly I've been ripped by "friends" in would-be business ventures.
Yes, I am / have been, this is where some of my resentment stems from. As for friends, agree they can be a double edge sword; some help, others steal jobs from you. Yes it is a dog eat dog world, and I have to fight just like everyone else, but with the DOD jobs and overseas, I face more then my friends that “just apply” for jobs here in the USA.

I wonder if it is really worth your efforts; this desperate job hunt seems to have turned you into a bitter, sarcastic, and negative person.
If those are the vibes you are sending out while job hunting no wonder you are not having any successes.
Sorry dude, I feel for ya' (:
I am retired Army, that is where my bitter, sarcastic, and negative person comes from, just ask any disabled veteran, he/she will tell you the same thing in their own words, but I am not going to speak for all, just ones I know personally.
As for vibes, thanks for the insult, ouch! But know this, my resume, my interviews and work performance, efficiency and proficiency are no place close to how I express my feelings on this JU boards. Like someone said “JU Forums is like having your own personal insane asylum.”

Or maybe he got the job because his anger and bitterness didn't show in his application/interview :scratchchin:
Again thanks for the insult, I deserve that considering how I started this thread. However, as said above, I don’t mix business and personal grievances in, around, or outside of work related situations, or practices. My opinion of how the DOD hires, fires, pays for PCS expenses and treats disabled veterans, and accepts crippling titles and codes form congress are just that, opinion.
Also thanks for the insult that I would be dumb enough to speak, project or “vibe” a negative personal interview tempo for the job I would have my left nut surgically removed for. The first thing I think of when I get up in the morning is Job on Okinawa, and the last thing I think about before I go to bed, is a job in Okinawa. It is not “anger and bitterness” rather LOVE and DEVOTION to getting my kids into one of the best schools in the world, yeah DODDS schools, and me into university of Maryland night classes that I love and hope to take some day. I tried to go to school here in the USA, and I was left in the dust, and they have no compassion for the working man that has a full time job, family and bills to pay, yet UM on Oki is so much more lack of better words “unproblematic” for me.


...and maybe it's because CPO didn't hire a disabled vet with HIGH preference, even though the law requires them to do this. CPO is, in my opinion, a highly selective "'hood", filled with hoodlums.

I'm glad to be outta THAT frikkin' rat-race!

-Oki Alumni:old: (Don't forget, hire the VET...[after dogs, cats, and miscellaneous other low-life].
Amen, and this goes unlooked at, because it is civilians, working for civilians, around civilians, and that in itself is where us vets have been trained / toght to learn and lead with honor, respect, etc. the civilian hiring process is a pot of dishonest practices waiting to boil over some day. I have a GS job right now and my boss of 1 year first told me when I got here, “watch your back” … I said “What?” and that is all that was said.

I applied for a position a few years back, and was qualified.. but didn't get the job. Okinawa being as small as it is, I knew the guy who did get the position. He had none of the qualifications I did, and left the job in one month. I re-applied for it when it reopened, and was told that I didn't meet the minimum qualifications for the position.

Called up CPO and asked them why I was qualified 2 months ago, and not now..and that the previous fellow didn't have any experience at all. The lady said it's because I didn't have component level electronics troubleshooting experience..

Listen lady..I'm holding my application as we are speaking.. third paragraph..second sentence.."component level troubleshooting".

After a few seconds of "Umm..umm..", she asked if I'm going to be "Ok", but offered nothing else.

The system does seem pretty flawed at times.. never got the job either. :thumbdown:

See sad thing is, this has happened to me 100’s of times, but I don’t have the luxury of flying to Alaska (Where the servicing CPOL office is for jobs in Japan) and “walk-in” and say “Hey how the hell”
They won’t even take phone calls !


I've had the same problem. Then went down and explained line for line why I was indeed qualified...only to watch them eat crow and start kissing my ass.
Didn't get the job, probably should have filed a grievance, but let it go and had the satisfaction of knowing that I knew their job better than they did.
Again, I don’t have the luxury of flying to Alaska (Where the servicing CPOL office is for jobs in Japan) and “walk-in” and say “Hey how the hell”
I write my congressmen, representative and get letters back, with a standard; “We can not help you get a job, but have sent it to the HQ for CPOL” I never get a response from them, *sigh*
Back to square one.
Peace!:army:

[Old Timer]

The job you listed is gone. Local hire from Zama. They will wait the obligated time to put the guy in...slip in. Hawaiian Mafia Job. :old:

[SGT_OKINAWA]

The job you listed is gone. Local hire from Zama. They will wait the obligated time to put the guy in...slip in. Hawaiian Mafia Job. :old:

Really? See again, sad, just freaking sad.

But how do you know this>?

Good question, how do you know that is what happened to this job?

Better yet, where is the I.G. in all of this? :thumbdown:

Peace!:army:

P.S. I see not many responded to my response to 6 people at once, dam I am good! LOLZ!

[Asshat]

The job you listed is gone. Local hire from Zama. They will wait the obligated time to put the guy in...slip in. Hawaiian Mafia Job. :old:

"local hire?" So....does that mean the Army doesn't have to pay the 39,000 dollar per year LQA or the 18,000 pound household goods move?

I'm sick of this job whining. I've been hired twice in Japan by two different agencies where no one knew me. Third time was within the agency, and they did know me, and knew my qualifications based on years of daily observation.

[Muku]

A VERY wise man once told me that marriage is difficult enough without adding a student/teacher relationship into the mix!
I can't recall ever meeting you? :grin1:

[SGT_OKINAWA]

"local hire?" So....does that mean the Army doesn't have to pay the 39,000 dollar per year LQA or the 18,000 pound household goods move?

Yes to the household goods part, the other I don’t know.

I'm sick of this job whining.

Then don't visit this thread, no one twisted your arm to read did they?

I've been hired twice in Japan by two different agencies where no one knew me. Third time was within the agency, and they did know me, and knew my qualifications based on years of daily observation.

Again, you are IN Japan. It is easier to do when you are there for all the “Local Hire Only” jobs. What about us guys that are not over there, any suggestions? And no I am not going to sell all my stuff and buy a one way ticket, I am talking with SOFA, and Household Goods paid, and DODDS Schools for the kids, Cola, and etc.

Peace!:army:

[Asshat]

Again, you are IN Japan. It is easier to do when you are there for all the “Local Hire Only” jobs. What about us guys that are not over there, any suggestions? And no I am not going to sell all my stuff and buy a one way ticket, I am talking with SOFA, and Household Goods paid, and DODDS Schools for the kids, Cola, and etc.

Peace!:army:

I PM'd you my take on this in answer to yours. If you are not willing to take a chance on coming here, then you simply don't want the jobs bad enough.

[Taz T]

I PM'd you my take on this in answer to yours. If you are not willing to take a chance on coming here, then you simply don't want the jobs bad enough.

I couldn't agree more. nuff said.

[Oki alumni]

I couldn't agree more. nuff said.

I couldn't DISAGREE more...and not NEAR 'nuff said. Common sense ladies and gentlemen. Come over here and possibly get a job that possibly pays enough to pay your living expenses...let alone any dependents you may have. On a chance? If it's a SURE thing...employment contract, housing agreement, return rights, etc., IN HAND, then it's worth a "chance". But on vagaries and possibilities? I think not.

If you're not practical, be prepared to accept/suffer the consequences.

-Oki Alumni:old: ("In GOD We Trust...all others pay cash please!")

[DoctorP]

Well, I can understand. Maybe the job isn't exactly what he wants.

I just turned down a job in mainland, it would have given housing, but it's not what I really wanted to do for the next 3 years, and from what I gathered from talking to others up there, they were really strict about sending them back to the US when their time was up....not what I wanted to do.

Still waiting to hear on a few others though.

[Taz T]

I couldn't DISAGREE more...and not NEAR 'nuff said. Common sense ladies and gentlemen. Come over here and possibly get a job that possibly pays enough to pay your living expenses...let alone any dependents you may have. On a chance? If it's a SURE thing...employment contract, housing agreement, return rights, etc., IN HAND, then it's worth a "chance". But on vagaries and possibilities? I think not.

If you're not practical, be prepared to accept/suffer the consequences.

-Oki Alumni:old: ("In GOD We Trust...all others pay cash please!")

Definately. I totally understand. Maybe I should have went a bit more in detail. In my experience, I am still working to earn that "opportunity". I am here in Okinawa and I tend to stick it out. Nonetheless, just because I dont have that awesome opportunity to live more than comfortable has not stopped me from pursuing my goals. Contracting opportunities is all about timing and going for civil service has definately been difficult to do. I dont gripe about how difficult it is to get a great job. I already know how it is. My family and I have been doing quite well so far. I have been blessed.

As for the sarge, good luck. It's rough looking for that "opportunity" considering that the majority are 'local hire'. I am sure that something will come up sometime. Your best bet is to make your way here someway, somehow and your chances would definately increase, I think anyway.

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Okay...? I am a bit lost, but I'll try my best....

I turned down a GS-11 job...this week!

Yuma AZ.
Live on base as a GS ! $500.00 a month 3-4 bedroom house.
Two GS-12's report to the GS-11, in a QAE aspect.
Household Goods move, paid !
Only 12 military on whole base.
Only 40 contractors to deal with compare to the 200 now.
Work only 4 days a week, 4 10 hr days.
More....lot more, this was a great job and ... more.

I have gone from GS-5 to GS-11 (If I had taken the job above) in 6 years!

So yeah everyone at work thought I was on crack!:w00t:

But I knew what I needed to do to "Network" to stick to my first plan and
keep trying to get back to Okinawa... and I asked AssHat the same question...

What is the difference between "Network" and the "Good old boy system" ?

---------------------------------------

Back to the "Pick everything up and move to Okinawa with 2 suit cases and
nothing more then a 90 day visa...


Like I said, I can't make the move, physically.

My kids don't speak (Very little), write none, and read none of Japanese,
they are half kids and that would be hell on them to try Japanese schools.

I have no savings money to spend for this "Adventure" you all say I should try.

I can't quit my job here and not have the money to pay the bills.

I appreciate the encouragement, but just not my style either.

Just because I DON'T do what you ask, and CAN'T make that "Faithful trip"
why all the hate?

I bitch about the Government and its spending practices....IAW PCS costs
and local hire.

yet everyone here wants to dissect my personality, my job, my family, my
disabilities, my service to the nation, my personal Normal, Values and Beliefs.

What happened to 'everyone, NOT JUST SGT_OKINAWA' but all the guys and gals that apply
for jobs in Okinawa and DON"T come to these forums? Wouldn't it be nice if
the DOD took back the "PCS costs" and all the branches could put "PCS
Expenses will be authorized" on all government jobs around the world?

Peace!:army:

[dk]

SGT, you don't answer to anyone but yourself. So why the questions? It's your life, and you make your shit work the way you want it to. Period. **** everything else.

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Thank you DJ and PimpJuice.

Agree, my choice and I will keep trying.

What is the worse that happens, I don't go to Japan and I get a GS-11 here in the USA, then 12, 13, etc. That is easy... I have gone from a 5 to a 9 in 5 years, and would have been 11 in 6 years had I not turned that one down. I want a challenge and that challenge is a job in Okinawa, so I keep trying!

Thanks for the kind words. :thumbup:

Peace!:army: