Sea food costs more than just money

[TheNoNamedOne]

Getting that fish to your plate did not just entail its death. Tons of bycatch not intended as the target for commercial fishermen are dragged from the ocean and killed every year -- which most is just thrown back.

People may grimace at the site of dolphin or whale hunting for their meat, or the destruction of turtle nesting ground habitat, or oil soaked animals from oil spills, but commercial fishing for stomachs for such things as tuna has exacted a high cost on these species as well.

http://www.seaturtles.org/images/photoarchive/photos/Turtleinnet.jpg
Drowned sea turtle in gill net

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/images/turtles/loggerhead_bycatch_miketork-noaa.jpg
Drowned sea turtle being dragged out of ocean upside down in gill net

Avoid sea food fish and help decrease the demand for the practices that cause this. It is only a meal to you (easily replaced by an alternative meal that does not need to involve killing animals), but can mean the life to another.

Why not think about choosing a different diet that is more humane and does not add to the death of sea animals known as bycatch?

[dk]

This is why I prefer beef, pork, and chicken. Pako is FURIOUS! :cursing:

Well, THIS isn't the real reason. I just like land food better than seafood.

[socalheart]

I absolutely love eating shrimp. I thought shrimp were farm-grown. In any case, it's moot now. I became allergic to all seafood and fishy foods when I turned 30. :crying:

[P_chan]

I was never a big fan of sea food. I just don't like that fishy taste. But I will still eat meat because it tastes better then vegetables and 'soy' burger!

[Boost]

I was never a big fan of sea food. I just don't like that fishy taste. But I will still eat meat because it tastes better then vegetables and 'soy' burger!

I'm with you on this one! Do not like any type of food that comes from the sea. And of coarse whenever I would tell someone that, the first thing they would say is, "how did you survive 6 years in Japan with not liking sea food?" Apparently seafood is the only type of food they serve there. :)

[P_chan]

I'm with you on this one! Do not like any type of food that comes from the sea. And of coarse whenever I would tell someone that, the first thing they would say is, "how did you survive 6 years in Japan with not liking sea food?" Apparently seafood is the only type of food they serve there. :)


Yes they eat everything and anything from the ocean. My wife is constantly complaing about my seafood eating habits.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Yes they eat everything and anything from the ocean. My wife is constantly complaing about my seafood eating habits.

Yes, they do. Japanese pillage the ocean horrendously, their appetites for sea food often cited as a reason for some kinds of depletion in fish stocks. In addition, they have been caught lieing about their yearly take of blue fin tuna stepping way over their quotas allowed.

I wonder which emotion comes to their mind more when they view the creatures at Churaumi, feelings and exclamations of "Kawaiiiiiiiiiii," or "Oishisoooo."

I doubt there are any internal conflicts, though. Self examination is not a characteristic of shallowness.

[TheNoNamedOne]

It was revealed (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20588386-1702,00.html) in August [2006] that Japanese fishers and their suppliers from other countries plundered world southern bluefin tuna stocks, secretly catching up to three times the annual Japanese quota each year for the past 20 years.

"Whether it is $1 billion, $4 billion or $6 billion it is in anybody's language an horrendous overcatch," Senator Abetz said on ABC radio. ...

On a 6000 tonne national annual quota, Japan had been taking between 12,000 and 20,000 tonnes - severely damaging the fishery.

A report by the Commission for the Conservation of Southern Bluefin found Japan illegally caught up to $6 billion worth of fish.

And you wonder why gluttons can afford to eat on the cheap. Had quotas for the last 20 years been strictly adhered to, supply would have fell short of demand thus pushing up the prices and making it not a dish to eat as often as they have. And a lot more of this could have been avoided:

http://www.ejfoundation.org/modules/PagEd/medipics/Longline%20bycatch.jpg
Longline bycatch, sea turtle with swallowed hook

[pardus]

Yes, they do. Japanese pillage the ocean horrendously, their appetites for sea food often cited as a reason for some kinds of depletion in fish stocks.

15 of the 17 major fisheries in the world are overexploited, some on the verge of collapse. This is not just the Japanese, although of course they're way up there. The US wiped out cod and orange roughy and probably more, I'm just remembering off the top of my head.

someone mentioned shrimp - that was one of the very first foods I stopped eating, because of how incredibly bad shrimp harvest is for the environment. TP do you know about shrimp farming, though? Maybe I was thinking of primarily of bottom-trawling.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I know about bottom trawling, Pardus, more than shrimp farming. But I have often heard that most kinds, if not all, seafood farming is quite harmful to the environment, causing parasites to multiply and the water in that immediate area to become fowl killing all nearby ocean life. A lot of anitbiotics have to be pumped into them as well if my memory is correct.

But, please feel free to add some information here on it or correct something wrong I have said. Looking forward to it.

[Go-Shay]

horse meat rules

[TheNoNamedOne]

Not so much a delicacy in the West, but in parts of Asia (particularly China) shark finning for shark fin soup has been reeking havoc on shark populations, and could further impact strongly on the oceans' ecosystems.

A lot of people like to try the culinary pleasures of foreign countries when they visit those countries, perhaps justifying it as, "just one time is such a small amount, it won't add to the cumulative harm being done," but it does. If you try shark fin soup, this is what you are complicit in, for many sharks are finned while they are still alive and the rest of their bodies thrown back in as unneeded waste:

http://www.scubadiving.com/upload/images/Travel/20070326_sharkfinning_head.jpg

[dk]

And look at this poor fish!

http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/cleaning-fish/filleting_fish/filet_3.jpg

Blargh!!!

http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/cleaning-fish/filleting_fish/fillet-6.jpg

Only it's a freakin' fish!

http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/cleaning-fish/filleting_fish/fillet-9.jpg

Gahhhh!

http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/cleaning-fish/filleting_fish/fillet13.jpg

I'm sure none of us will ever eat fish again!

http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/cleaning-fish/filleting_fish/fillet14.jpg

Oh god, no Nemo, no!

http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/cleaning-fish/filleting_fish/filleting-fish12.jpg

Ralph!!!!!

http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/cleaning-fish/filleting_fish/iky.jpg

And just for FYI!

[DoctorP]

If you try shark fin soup, this is what you are complicit in, for many sharks are finned while they are still alive and the rest of their bodies thrown back in as unneeded waste:

http://www.scubadiving.com/upload/images/Travel/20070326_sharkfinning_head.jpg

Thrown back as unneeded waste or thrown back as food for another part of the chain?

[dk]

"It's okay to eat fish
'Cause they don't have any feelings"
Nirvana

[kombu_kid]

Didn't he also say "and I swear, I don't have a gun".......?:-|

[dk]

Didn't he also say "and I swear, I don't have a gun".......?:-|
That's open to interpretation. Plus, he might have been given a gun after he wrote the song.

[TheLastDon]

I never really ate fish until I came to Okinawa.

[Burado]

I live on reds, vitamin c and cocaine. :old:

[Asshat]

No one has discussed the impacts on the fisheries by man-made environmental causes...both man made and natural cycles.

In most of the coastal US, commerical licenses are increasingly difficult to procure, and some states even have a program to buy back commercial boats.

Also, prawns are farmed extensively throughout Asia, and very few countries engage in the destructive shrimping practices like the US.

The Japanese get a lot of blame for the decreasing salmon fisherery in the Pacific North West. Yet seldom does anyone discuss the destruction of natural spawning habitat by logging. Sure, the timber industry replants the fir, but they can not replace the streams and aspects of the watershed that the salmon require.

[Asshat]

I live on reds, vitamin c and cocaine. :old:

If you got a warrent, I guess you gotta come in..:old:

[wenjam]

Sorry to say, that I LOVE seafood. If I could afford to, I would eat it every day. I just had broiled talapia last night.

It is a horrible thing when other animals get trapped in the fishing nets. I don't want to be mean, but there is a turtle soup I have heard of...will try to post the recipe....maybe that turtle did not get wated after all.

[wenjam]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_soup

try this out, and see if it works...Turtle soup.

[Anterrabae]

death is soooo ******* tasty

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

death is soooo ******* tasty
If that's true, why do most Americans avoid this type of fare like the plague?

"Ikizukuri"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikizukuri

You could catch the death in your mouth before it slips away...

[TheLastDon]

If that's true, why do most Americans avoid this type of fare like the plague?

"Ikizukuri"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikizukuri

You could catch the death in your mouth before it slips away...

Eel, do you know a place in Okinawa that still does this?

[dk]

Because land murder tastes better than sea murder. Duh.

[Asshat]

If that's true, why do most Americans avoid this type of fare like the plague?

"Ikizukuri"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikizukuri

You could catch the death in your mouth before it slips away...

Most Japanese do to, though right? It isn't about freshness either, since most foods need to be bled properly, and even aged for a bit to get what is considered the best flavor.

No, this about being a wigged-out FREAK. Much like some other weird practices here like eating a woman's shit.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Been reading Pink Samurai, have we?

[Asshat]

Been reading Pink Samurai, have we?

Years ago, thanks eele, couldn't remember the name of the book. Read it while living in another country by the way.

But yeah, hedonistic Japan.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Well if German scat porn is any indication, Japan may not be the only twisted place out there...still thinking on that move to Deutchland?

[Asshat]

Well if German scat porn is any indication, Japan may not be the only twisted place out there...still thinking on that move to Deutchland?

I could be a normal one there. Certainly there are fraulien out there who want a man who isn't interested in her fecal matter...

[P_chan]

Well if German scat porn is any indication, Japan may not be the only twisted place out there...still thinking on that move to Deutchland?

What? I though Japan was the only place in the world that had weird porn fetishes and sexual deviants?

[DougP]

What? I though Japan was the only place in the world that had weird porn fetishes and sexual deviants?

You should see how they get on (http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0196/9601fant.html) down in Antarctica:D

Don: We've had lots of ideas. We thought we should start a phone-sex service for penguins.

Don: Antarctica is one of the world's greatest places to make love. You can do it for an hour at a time--it takes 58 minutes to get your clothes off.

[dk]

Please do not support the wholesale murder of fish. To make this:
http://pdxsocialbutterfly.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/filet-o-fish.jpg

You need to have a lot of this!
http://www.fishontario.com/images/skills/filleting-fish/trout-fillet.jpghttp://www.fishontario.com/images/skills/filleting-fish/walleye-fillet.jpg

http://www.striper.net/images/filet8a.jpg

What did this catfish ever do to you?

http://www.catfishboard.com/web/images/clean2.jpg

http://static2.instructables.com/pub/FVB/6O96/FVB6O96IQYEP282EM9.medium.jpg

[dk]

Also, chirimenjako is a fish holocaust in a baggy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ja/c/ce/Chirimenjako.jpg

http://www.justhungry.com/images/hijiki_furikake.jpg

[Maggie]

I could be a normal one there. Certainly there are fraulien out there who want a man who isn't interested in her fecal matter...

OH MY GOD :barf:

Maggie