Obama's latest gaffe...er....LIE

[affiredawg76]

During a news conference, which aired live Wednesday morning during CNN Newsroom, Obama said: "Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don't have to just look at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee, a bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon."

Two problems here:

1. He isn't even on the Senate Banking Committee

2. He didn't vote for it

And guess who he was talking to...Yup, you guessed it...Israeli reporters. Go figure.

Had this been McCain....LOOK OUT!!!

http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Articles.Detail&Article_id=d7992ee7-4fa0-420c-befe-5d5f0069f395

http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Information.Membership

[vvloc]

During a news conference, which aired live Wednesday morning during CNN Newsroom, Obama said: "Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don't have to just look at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee, a bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon."

Two problems here:

1. He isn't even on the Senate Banking Committee

2. He didn't vote for it

And guess who he was talking to...Yup, you guessed it...Israeli reporters. Go figure.

Had this been McCain....LOOK OUT!!!

http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Articles.Detail&Article_id=d7992ee7-4fa0-420c-befe-5d5f0069f395

http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Information.Membership

Liatr, liar pants on fire alert!!!

[vvloc]

Finny how the bucket brigade appears and disappears as quickly - dawg was here for approximately 2.5 minutes - clearly prefers to flap his gums than read!

[danielwagner]

During a news conference, which aired live Wednesday morning during CNN Newsroom, Obama said: "Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don't have to just look at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee, a bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon."

Two problems here:

1. He isn't even on the Senate Banking Committee

2. He didn't vote for it

And guess who he was talking to...Yup, you guessed it...Israeli reporters. Go figure.

Had this been McCain....LOOK OUT!!!

http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Articles.Detail&Article_id=d7992ee7-4fa0-420c-befe-5d5f0069f395

http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Information.Membership

One example of many almost always unreported occurrences in this young fellow's life. I hope he isn't given the opportunity to screw up the U.S. of A.

[vvloc]

One example of many almost always unreported occurrences in this young fellow's life. I hope he isn't given the opportunity to screw up the U.S. of A.

Could dawg be wagner in drag?

daniel says he likes my spunk

dawg gets off on cats in miniskirts

When one appears the other disappears

coincidence - who knows?

[P_chan]

One example of many almost always unreported occurrences in this young fellow's life. I hope he isn't given the opportunity to screw up the U.S. of A.

What? Like our current president was given the chance to screw up the USA?

[vvloc]

Funny how the bucket brigade appears and disappears as quickly - dawg was here for approximately 2.5 minutes - clearly prefers to flap his gums than read!

Liatr, liar pants on fire alert!!!

Man, daniel disappeared even faster than dawg - guess his pants really were on fire, even more than the dawg's!

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Dawg didn't even manage to give a source for his putative Obama "quote"...that'd be a START, wouldn't it?

[vvloc]

Dawg didn't even manage to give a source for his putative Obama "quote"...that'd be a START, wouldn't it?

For dawg, ANYTHING would be a start - this guy thinks the finish line means run away after being mendacious.

Man, I Love the word "putative" - don't know why I don't use it more???

[affiredawg76]

Dawg didn't even manage to give a source for his putative Obama "quote"...that'd be a START, wouldn't it?

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=rjzb61wfyN0

A quick google search would've netted this for you, but hey since you need it spoon fed...

I'll be waiting for when you ask the liberal posters on here to post sources that are not left wing....(truthout.org, countdown, etc)

Guess I'd better not hold my breath.

[affiredawg76]

Liatr, liar pants on fire alert!!!

What's really funny is how you post anti-McCain material ad nauseum, but get your panties in a twist when your messiah is caught either forgetting or lying. Take your pick.

You bash McCain for mixing up Sunni and Shi'a, yet your boy can't even remember which Senate committee he serves on.

[P_chan]

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=rjzb61wfyN0

A quick google search would've netted this for you, but hey since you need it spoon fed...

I'll be waiting for when you ask the liberal posters on here to post sources that are not left wing....(truthout.org, countdown, etc)

Guess I'd better not hold my breath.

You are aware that if you pull all your sources from right wings sites and/or get all wet once obama makes a mistake you're contradicting yourself right?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

An Obama spokesman tells CNN “it was his bill, not his committee,” referring to the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act that the Illinois senator sponsored and introduced in May 2007. The measure was then referred to the Banking Committee, and passed a vote of 19-2 on July 17.

In a meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu Wednesday, Obama told the former Israeli Prime Minister, “I could fall asleep now standing up,” after Netanyahu asked him how his whirlwind trip to the Middle East and Europe is going.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/23/obama-incorrectly-claims-membership-of-senate-committee/

[DoctorP]

What's really funny is how you post anti-McCain material ad nauseum, but get your panties in a twist when your messiah is caught either forgetting or lying. Take your pick.

You bash McCain for mixing up Sunni and Shi'a, yet your boy can't even remember which Senate committee he serves on.

Messiah? Someone here must listen to a lot of Rush. (Limbaugh, not the band!)

[affiredawg76]

Messiah? Someone here must listen to a lot of Rush. (Limbaugh, not the band!)

That someone must be you then considering I don't listen to him and had no idea that he even used it. Thanks for the info though.

[affiredawg76]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/23/obama-incorrectly-claims-membership-of-senate-committee/

Sure. Uh huh. For one, it's distinctly clear in the video he said it was "his" committee. Excuses, excuses...

Once again, demonstrating how it's OK for Obama, but when McCain makes a mistake it's because he's old or he's lying. You people are amazing.

[affiredawg76]

You are aware that if you pull all your sources from right wings sites and/or get all wet once obama makes a mistake you're contradicting yourself right?

Now MSNBC is a right wing site?

I'm contradicting myself? Sure...whatever you guys say...you're all quick to point out McCain's mistakes but quickly dismiss Obama's and then the pile-on game to whoever brought it up. On the contrary...blatant hypocrisy on your behalf.

[P_chan]

Sure. Uh huh. For one, it's distinctly clear in the video he said it was "his" committee. Excuses, excuses...

Once again, demonstrating how it's OK for Obama, but when McCain makes a mistake it's because he's old or he's lying. You people are amazing.


No one said it was ok or not ok, you're thinking that one up yourself. But once we look at the number of occurrences where obama messed up and mccain messed up, mccain has him beat. But if someone points that out by posting examples of when mccain messed up, you have a hissy fit and accuse "us people" of saying it's ok if obama messing up. IMO you're the one just looking for excuses to bad mouth the canidate you don't support. Forward any "terrorist fist jab" emails lately?

[DoctorP]

That someone must be you then considering I don't listen to him and had no idea that he even used it. Thanks for the info though.

Yes I do listen to him, not a follower though. I also listen to Dr L, and Ed Shultz, but that is because I only listen to AM radio.

[P_chan]

Now MSNBC is a right wing site?

I'm contradicting myself? Sure...whatever you guys say...you're all quick to point out McCain's mistakes but quickly dismiss Obama's and then the pile-on game to whoever brought it up. On the contrary...blatant hypocrisy on your behalf.

No, you're contracting yourself by doing EXACTLY what you're preaching against. So turn that hypocrite label around and look in the mirror.

:edit: Also never said MSNBC was a right wing site did I? The key word in my example was "IF".

[affiredawg76]

But once we look at the number of occurrences where obama messed up and mccain messed up, mccain has him beat.

Really? Now you are demonstrating YOUR bias. Your response to my post PROVES it. I could post literally DOZENS of Obama's OOOP's, but you and others are quick to dismiss them. In fact, I'm willing to bet that you already know about them, without me even having to post them. But then if I do, you play dumb and say "where's the proof?" to quickly try and make it go away.

McCain goofs and it might as well be etched in stone for all eternity.

"No, you're contracting yourself by doing EXACTLY what you're preaching against. So turn that hypocrite label around and look in the mirror."

Umm...No, I'm not. When I've done it, it's been in response to all the other anti-McCain stuff on this board in at attempt at pointing out how one-sided this place is...

And Congratulations!!! You're making my point for me every time.

Sorry, but you aren't getting away with trying to make this about me.

[affiredawg76]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=185iI_nXYRY


Official death toll was TWELVE.

[affiredawg76]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV1sxq8mqvA&feature=related

Obama's mother was an only child and the Soviet's liberated Auschwitz.

[DoctorP]

Liatr, liar pants on fire alert!!!

vvloc...is Barack on the commitee? Or was he? Because according to this (http://obama.senate.gov/committees/) he is not.

[affiredawg76]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaG6s05MKeM&feature=related

Iran isn't a threat...Wait...Yes they are...Wait...who am I talking to today?

[vvloc]

I'll be waiting for when you ask the liberal posters on here to post sources that are not left wing....(truthout.org, countdown, etc) Guess I'd better not hold my breath.

I'd be more than willing to refrain from posting allegedly left wing sources if the dawg would hold his breath - see you in Nov. with your dawg tail in between your dawg paws.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

This post already answered...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/23/obama-incorrectly-claims-membership-of-senate-committee/

...this question.

vvloc...is Barack on the commitee? Or was he? Because according to this (http://obama.senate.gov/committees/) he is not.

[vvloc]

Sunni and Shi'a

What the &$%# is a she-ah/

[Oki alumni]

removed to save space ONLY


Official death toll was TWELVE.

...and...your source for TWELVE is??????????????????????

-Oki Alumni:old:

[DoctorP]

This post already answered...



...this question.

gotcha...so he's not and he wasn't. :thumbup1:

[vvloc]

During a news conference, which aired live Wednesday morning during CNN Newsroom, Obama said: "Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don't have to just look at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee, a bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon."

Two problems here:

1. He isn't even on the Senate Banking Committee

2. He didn't vote for it

And guess who he was talking to...Yup, you guessed it...Israeli reporters. Go figure.

Had this been McCain....LOOK OUT!!!

http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Articles.Detail&Article_id=d7992ee7-4fa0-420c-befe-5d5f0069f395

http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Information.Membership

I think the dawg is so busy "Everyday he's hustlin'" that he hasn't even the time to read his own links!

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing - NO knowledge is downright cataclysmic.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Nope, looks like an honest mistake--->his BILL, yes; his COMMITTEE, no.

Big difference for the gaffes between McCain and Obama:

With "Big" Mac, there are major policy flaws, belittling of the voter and other world leaders, and what appear to be outright lies and contradictions.
With the smooth talking O'Bama, there are slip-ups on detail for sure, but it's not often we see a complete departure from the facts as we do with Bush III.

[vvloc]

gotcha...so he's not and he wasn't. :thumbup1:

dawg's on the committee - posting eyewitness accounts of all that he can see from the dawg house.

Essentially dawg's idea of the white house IS congruent with a dawghouse or in the case of dawg chasing miniskirted cats, cathouse.

[DoctorP]

Nope, looks like an honest mistake--->his BILL, yes; his COMMITTEE, no.

Big difference for the gaffes between McCain and Obama:

With "Big" Mac, there are major policy flaws, belittling of the voter and other world leaders, and what appear to be outright lies and contradictions.
With the smooth talking O'Bama, there are slip-ups on detail for sure, but it's not often we see a complete departure from the facts as we do with Bush III.

That is understood, but it is looking more and more that unless he has a teleprompter in front of him, he doesn't do so well speaking in public.

Hell, W. can't do it with the teleprompter, but Obama has looked so smooth all through the campaign season only to start looking really bad as of late.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Really bad? I don't see it that way. Tired - yes. Less fresh, some wear-and-tear...yes. But, big difference here, owns up to mistakes right away. No ambiguity in his campaign's reply.

[Oki alumni]

For your consideration:
http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/photoplog/file.php?n=192&w=o

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Dawg gets his information from chain-mail lists.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

http://TheRealMcCain.com/ (http://therealmccain.com/)

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&feature=related

[Oki alumni]

http://TheRealMcCain.com/ (http://therealmccain.com/)

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&feature=related

To be fair, I don't think he INTENTIONALLY lies (well at least most of the time), I think he honestly can NOT remember what he's said. A sad thing, but old age creeps up on us ALL. In my mother's case, right before she died, she exhibited similar symptoms, and they called it dementia.

-Oki Alumni:old:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080725/capt.eae3d9f6e27b46b083873a246e1d8c53.mccain_2008_ coasp.jpg?x=400&y=284&sig=5qyt3UL8mkCJ1IVGW7n8lA--
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080725/i/r1854501731.jpg?x=400&y=303&sig=In5u4l9Q0HofVzk3_MTaCw--
Looks like both candidates are really friendly guys!

[Meliai]

The messiah bit jumped out at me so I'll share this here:

He ventured forth to bring light to the world
The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers
Gerard Baker

And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.

The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.

When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organisation with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: “Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?”

In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites.

And so it was, in the fullness of time, before the harvest month of the appointed year, the Child ventured forth - for the first time - to bring the light unto all the world.

He travelled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small retinue that consisted only of his loyal disciples from the tribe of the Media. He ventured first to the land of the Hindu Kush, where the

Taleban had harboured the viper of al-Qaeda in their bosom, raining terror on all the world.

And the Child spake and the tribes of Nato immediately loosed the Caveats that had previously bound them. And in the great battle that ensued the forces of the light were triumphant. For as long as the Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great blows and the threat of terror was no more.

From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by the great ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and blessed his Sixteen Month Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the imperial warrior Petraeus tried to destroy it.

And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the Great Surge of Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a terrible mistake, a waste of vital military resources and doomed to end in disaster, the Child's very presence suddenly brought forth a great victory for the forces of the light.

And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful, longed to speak with the Child and saw that the Child was the bringer of peace. At the mention of his name they quickly laid aside their intrigues and beat their uranium swords into civil nuclear energy ploughshares.

From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and entered through the gate seated on an ass. The crowds of network anchors who had followed him from afar cheered “Hosanna” and waved great palm fronds and strewed them at his feet.

In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after in peace.

As word spread throughout the land about the Child's wondrous works, peoples from all over flocked to hear him; Hittites and Abbasids; Obamacons and McCainiacs; Cameroonians and Blairites.

And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the news of the Child's journey. Around the world, global temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over.

The Great Prophet Algore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had believed was the anointed one, smiled and told his followers that the Child was the one generations had been waiting for.

And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street at the Wall, spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like manna from Heaven and rates on credit default swaps fell to the ground as dead birds from the almond tree, and the people who had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow again.

Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per barrel. In hospitals across the land the sick were cured even though they were uninsured. And all because the Child had pronounced it.

And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears witness to the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it is the truth for he saw it all on CNN and the BBC and in the pages of The New York Times.

Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and stepped onto the shores of the Old Continent. In the land of Queen Angela of Merkel, vast multitudes gathered to hear his voice, and he preached to them at length.

But when he had finished speaking his disciples told him the crowd was hungry, for they had had nothing to eat all the hours they had waited for him.

And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all they had was five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he took the bread and the frankfurters and blessed them and told his disciples to feed the multitudes. And when all had eaten their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets.

Thence he travelled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous Princess Carla of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and she was great in love with the Child, but he was tempted not.

On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to the ancient land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with open arms by the once great prophet Blair and his successor, Gordon the Leper, and his successor, David the Golden One.

And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and the whole host of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and singing: “Yes, We Can.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4392846.ece



PS

I don't like take-over-Capitol-Hill-ary, or O'bom-our-allies, or McCain't-fit-to-be-president. I don't know how anyone can defend any of these candidates (considering their views, voting records, errors, outright lies, and overall behavior) against each other. There is no lesser evil ... it's one body with too many arms. Red or blue, ass or elephant, it's the same doomed garbage being recycled over and over again. Amen and imo, so on and so forth, let the flaming continue ... jazz hands.

[Meliai]

Amusing and equal opportunity bashing. :D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UEtmyWZReOg

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Search is your friend, dear noob! :)

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7104&highlight=jibjab

[Meliai]

Thanks. :D But where the devil is the search function? Promote me to uber-noob for that one, too.

[Old Timer]

Thanks. :D But where the devil is the search function? Promote me to uber-noob for that one, too.


:rolleyes: Top of page......3rd from right? :scared:

[P_chan]

Really? Now you are demonstrating YOUR bias. Your response to my post PROVES it. I could post literally DOZENS of Obama's OOOP's, but you and others are quick to dismiss them. In fact, I'm willing to bet that you already know about them, without me even having to post them. But then if I do, you play dumb and say "where's the proof?" to quickly try and make it go away.

McCain goofs and it might as well be etched in stone for all eternity.

"No, you're contracting yourself by doing EXACTLY what you're preaching against. So turn that hypocrite label around and look in the mirror."

Umm...No, I'm not. When I've done it, it's been in response to all the other anti-McCain stuff on this board in at attempt at pointing out how one-sided this place is...

And Congratulations!!! You're making my point for me every time.

Sorry, but you aren't getting away with trying to make this about me.


No thank YOU for proving my point by making this entire thread out of spite Mr. panties in a bunch.

[Meliai]

LOL. Wow, I am blind. Sorry for a stupid question. I'd only noted the "search this thread" function; completely did not see the other one. I'll keep that in mind in the future.

[dk]

LOL. Wow, I am blind. Sorry for a stupid question. I'd only noted the "search this thread" function; completely did not see the other one. I'll keep that in mind in the future.
There are no stupid questions...

:thumbup:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

There are no stupid questions...

:thumbup:
Gonna hold you to that...

[affiredawg76]

...and...your source for TWELVE is??????????????????????

-Oki Alumni:old:


Open up, here's the spoon...

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P0K1FG2&show_article=1

only off by 9,988 but who's counting, right?

[affiredawg76]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

Obama's legislative accomplishments.

[vvloc]

ALERT: Cat in miniskirt sighted running as if her life was in danger

[Oki alumni]

[video removed to spare the world MORE desperation moves by the Republican Press]

Obama's legislative accomplishments.

Seem to top by far, those of McCain't!!!!!!!!!

vvloc said: "ALERT: Cat in miniskirt sighted running as if her life was in danger" So noted...is that the one wearing the "S" nighty? ;)

-Oki Alumni:old:

[vvloc]

THE shortest book in the world is undoubtedly, "The Life and Times of a dawg!"

unabridged version, of course."

[affiredawg76]

THE shortest book in the world is undoubtedly, "The Life and Times of a dawg!"

unabridged version, of course."

Given the amount of time you must spend on this board, you obviously have NO life.

[vvloc]

done gone cowardly run away, AGAIN - prolly trying to catch zorro for some late night lovin'!

gotta love dem post and runners, doncha?

[vvloc]

AND once again the brilliant one forgot to log in - someone teach this hopeles hapless dawg, PLEASE!!!!

[Oki alumni]

Given the amount of time you must spend on this board, you obviously have NO life.

Most apparently...FAR superior to the one YOU have, haha!

-Oki Alumni:old:

[affiredawg76]

Most apparently...FAR superior to the one YOU have, haha!

-Oki Alumni:old:

Really? Because Oki Alum said so? LOL

It's too bad you're up by Yokota...you two would make a cute couple.

[vvloc]

dawg is busy thinking (i can smell the stench of freshly laid poop)- stopped hustlin' for a minute

[vvloc]

Just can't figure out how to use that dawg-gone ignore function

[vvloc]

Consult brain surgeon or rocket scientist - take two tabs cyanide.

You'll understand one day (or not, as the case may be)

[affiredawg76]

Just can't figure out how to use that dawg-gone ignore function

Is that supposed to be clever or something?

You've got that senior citizen humor down to a science.

[Oki alumni]

Really? Because Oki Alum said so? LOL

Yup! "Getting older is mandatory...getting wiser is OPTIONAL"...you're a little leaguer trying to go to bat in the MAJOR leagues. Nice try though!!!

It's too bad you're up by Yokota...you two would make a cute couple.

YOU make a cute couple ALL BY YOURSELF!:grin1:

-Oki Alumni:old:

[vvloc]

You pledged to put me on ignore three times now - were you lyin' AGAIN or just unable to do such simple things that even an idiot could understand how to do?

Yeah, yeah - I know "hustln', (shuckin', and jiving) EVERY day"

[Oki alumni]

Is that supposed to be clever or something?

You've got that senior citizen humor down to a science.

Not HALF as well as you have the "jeep" humor down...."beeep.....beeeeeeeeppp..........beeeeeeeeeeepppppp ppp OUTTA MY WAY!!! (I'm coming through, and I DON'T have any brakes!!!)"

-Oki Alumni:old: (Who wonders what the hell this has to do with the topic???)

[vvloc]

Muhammed Ali called it the rope a dope - the dawg misinterpreted it as the dope a dope shuffle.

[affiredawg76]

You pledged to put me on ignore three times now - were you lyin' AGAIN or just unable to do such simple things that even an idiot could understand how to do?

Yeah, yeah - I know "hustln', (shuckin', and jiving) EVERY day"

I don't owe you an explanation, but since you're so worried about it...

You were on ignore for awhile...I took you off so I could read your responses to other people's posts.

Happy?

Is that all you have this evening?

[vvloc]

I took you off so I could read your responses to other people's posts.

Wants to ignore me but wants to read my responses to other people


LOL - what a case!!!

"Liar, liar; pants on fire!"

Tell the truth; you don't know how to use it!

[affiredawg76]

Yup! "Getting older is mandatory...getting wiser is OPTIONAL"...you're a little leaguer trying to go to bat in the MAJOR leagues. Nice try though!!!



YOU make a cute couple ALL BY YOURSELF!:grin1:

-Oki Alumni:old:

The only thing MAJOR league about you ends in H-O-L-E

[Oki alumni]

I don't owe you an explanation, but since you're so worried about it...

You were on ignore for awhile...I took you off so I could read your responses to other people's posts.

Happy?

Is that all you have this evening?

I'll trust you statements (every bit as much as I trust those made by your commander-in-chief)!!!:D

-Oki Alumni:old:

[affiredawg76]

Wants to ignore me but wants to read my responses to other people


LOL - what a case!!!

"Liar, liar; pants on fire!"

Tell the truth; you don't know how to use it!

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Yup, you guessed it. Too challenging!!

[vvloc]

The only thing MAJOR league about you ends in H-O-L-E

Where ya' been eating recently dawg???

Noxious smells wafting in and out!

[vvloc]

MLK - "Free at last, Thank G-d, almighty, I'm free at last"

See how long it lasts this time

[Oki alumni]

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Yup, you guessed it. Too challenging!!

LOL, too bad that there isn't anyone buying what you're "Hustlin' " TOO challenging indeed!

-Oki Alumni:old:

[affiredawg76]

I'll trust you statements (every bit as much as I trust those made by your commander-in-chief)!!!:D

-Oki Alumni:old:

LOL, you and vvloc got a long distance thing going on, don't you?

You guys go back and forth thanking each other. ROFL

Wow. Things people do for Sunday night entertainment these days....

You two got webcams too? LOL

I'll leave you two lovebirds alone.:thumbup:

[vvloc]

I'll leave you two lovebirds alone.:thumbup:

dawg's got zorro and bickel to please - later, dawg.

[Oki alumni]

We WOULD have had a "McCain't's latest gaffe...er....LIE" thread, but we didn't want to absolutely FLOOD JU, and bring on a possible Denial Of Service. Back to YOU, Chet!

-Oki Alumni

[Oki alumni]

LOL, you and vvloc got a long distance thing going on, don't you?

You guys go back and forth thanking each other. ROFL

Wow. Things people do for Sunday night entertainment these days....

You two got webcams too? LOL

I'll leave you two lovebirds alone.:thumbup:

Looks like yer a "loner" here my friend. Perhaps you could call some of the OTHER inmates in your sanctuary?

-Oki Alumni:old:

[Just VP]

Liatr, liar pants on fire alert!!!

Finny how the bucket brigade appears and disappears as quickly - dawg was here for approximately 2.5 minutes - clearly prefers to flap his gums than read!

Could dawg be wagner in drag?
daniel says he likes my spunk
dawg gets off on cats in miniskirts
When one appears the other disappears
coincidence - who knows?

Man, daniel disappeared even faster than dawg - guess his pants really were on fire, even more than the dawg's!

For dawg, ANYTHING would be a start - this guy thinks the finish line means run away after being mendacious.
Man, I Love the word "putative" - don't know why I don't use it more???

I'd be more than willing to refrain from posting allegedly left wing sources if the dawg would hold his breath - see you in Nov. with your dawg tail in between your dawg paws.

What the &$%# is a she-ah/

I think the dawg is so busy "Everyday he's hustlin'" that he hasn't even the time to read his own links!

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing - NO knowledge is downright cataclysmic.

dawg's on the committee - posting eyewitness accounts of all that he can see from the dawg house.

Essentially dawg's idea of the white house IS congruent with a dawghouse or in the case of dawg chasing miniskirted cats, cathouse.

ALERT: Cat in miniskirt sighted running as if her life was in danger

THE shortest book in the world is undoubtedly, "The Life and Times of a dawg!"
unabridged version, of course."

done gone cowardly run away, AGAIN - prolly trying to catch zorro for some late night lovin'!

gotta love dem post and runners, doncha?

AND once again the brilliant one forgot to log in - someone teach this hopeles hapless dawg, PLEASE!!!!

dawg is busy thinking (i can smell the stench of freshly laid poop)- stopped hustlin' for a minute
Just can't figure out how to use that dawg-gone ignore function
Consult brain surgeon or rocket scientist - take two tabs cyanide.
You'll understand one day (or not, as the case may be)

You pledged to put me on ignore three times now - were you lyin' AGAIN or just unable to do such simple things that even an idiot could understand how to do?

Yeah, yeah - I know "hustln', (shuckin', and jiving) EVERY day"

Muhammed Ali called it the rope a dope - the dawg misinterpreted it as the dope a dope shuffle.

Wants to ignore me but wants to read my responses to other people


LOL - what a case!!!

"Liar, liar; pants on fire!"

Tell the truth; you don't know how to use it!
Where ya' been eating recently dawg???
Noxious smells wafting in and out

MLK - "Free at last, Thank G-d, almighty, I'm free at last"
See how long it lasts this time

Let's see there vv, out of this whole thread the only thing you have to post is this garbage. You're quite the pathetic little worm keyboard warrior. Why don't you come out of your accute case of BDS long enough to engage firedawg instead of chasing him around with this crap. You're a real piece of work. Hey TP! Where's your big red moderator message?

[vvloc]

Let's see there vv, out of this whole thread the only thing you have to post is this garbage. You're quite the pathetic little worm keyboard warrior. Why don't you come out of your accute case of BDS long enough to engage firedawg instead of chasing him around with this crap. You're a real piece of work. Hey TP! Where's your big red moderator message?

Had you take the time to READ THE WHOLE THREAD, you would have seen MUCH documented substance. Have you ever heard of John Murtha - did ya' take the time to read THAT part?

IN FACT, did you EVEN take the time to read the OP, which is itself a lie. You got a thing for liars, just?

[Oki alumni]

Let's see there vv, out of this whole thread the only thing you have to post is this garbage. You're quite the pathetic little worm keyboard warrior. Why don't you come out of your accute case of BDS long enough to engage firedawg instead of chasing him around with this crap. You're a real piece of work. Hey TP! Where's your big red moderator message?

A Johnny Come Lately pokes it's head outta th' ground. How cute! I just LOVE new "trolls"!

-Oki Alumni:old:

[Just VP]

vv...I have read the WHOLE THREAD and none of the documentation was done by you. And yes, I have heard of John Murtha. He's another quality piece of work right up your alley.

Oki...I don't know who you're calling a troll, I've been a member of this forum since last year. Just unlike most of you losers I have a life and I don't spend it showing how savvy I am on a keyboard or my prowess with google.

[vvloc]

Have you EVEN taken the time to see just who affiredawg is:

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/search.php?searchid=153565

all emptiness and vacuousness.

AND calling names IS a Violation of forum rules - I insulted the dawg, yes.

I DIDN'T call him a worm, so why ya' callin' TP?

[vvloc]

I am proud to have stood up for John Murtha when some had the gall to say he called marines "cold blooded murderers," which was a lie:

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/search.php?searchid=153573

[Just VP]

TP's real quick to throw his red stamp out when there's a thread he doesn't agree with. I haven't seen it thrown out at all on this one, could be he's just out for the day.

[vvloc]

If ANY mods choose to respond to any violation it will be the one I reported of you.

And why don't you take your own avowed advice and:

"mind your own business, bub."

or do you have your own agenda?

[Just VP]

Good on ya' tough guy!

[vvloc]

Brilliant post here:

JustVP: "40 Million Americans don't have health insurance...get a job that offers insurance or...yes it sucks....pay for the insurance yourself. Or hell why not just get a job."

Understand economics much? Ever read a newspaper? Been in the real world lately?

[vvloc]

ALL the same - cowardly - run away like little babies when confronted with the real world.

[P_chan]

Given the amount of time you must spend on this board, you obviously have NO life.

Just unlike most of you losers I have a life

Grow up! That is the "nut shot" of lame ass insults. Some people like to spend more time on here than others. That doesn't mean that they don't have a life or are some type of internet nerd. I spend a lot of time in here but I still have PLENTY of time to do other things, and I do. So take that BS, GTFO, and don't use it as an insult once you're out numbered and/or loosing an argument.

[vvloc]

AND yes we do have an agenda here, Bill Whittle:

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/

Obviously, justVP prefers melodramatic spoon-feeding!

[danielwagner]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

Obama's legislative accomplishments.

I thought Chris M. was an Obama supporter? He certainly dogged the guest interviewee. Might this put the guest in a bad light? Not really anyone sitting in his chair would have had the same response or lack there of.. Thats because the Senator is about "Change" and "Feelings". OK what specifically is that? Well it's "change" and "feelings". O-alright then. There you have it. Does Chris now get a tingle at Obama's voice? He must be digging those changed feelings!

[vvloc]

Bill Whittle is full of sh*t - no wonder you defend the witless.

Bill Whittle says:

First, and most importantly, we can plainly state the prima facie cause that makes up our first argument in favor of invasion:

1. The impending military action is not the pre-emptive opening of hostilities against a sovereign nation, but rather the continuation of hostilities begun by Iraq in 1990 with their invasion of Kuwait; said resumption being a direct result of repeated and flagrant violations of the ceasefire signed by Iraq in 1991.

So much for the 'pre-emptive' attack criticism. This upcoming military action is indeed the product of a pre-emptive attack on a sovereign nation'that nation being Kuwait. Saddam Hussein took his country to war in a naked grab for oil and glory. He was handed the worst military defeat in modern history, a defeat so complete and total that US forces began to hesitate to fire on Iraqi units that were so spectacularly and completely routed.

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000027.html

Some real history NOT REVISIONIST might help you:

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131221&postcount=115

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131222&postcount=116

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131230&postcount=118

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131231&postcount=119

[vvloc]

I thought Chris M. was an Obama supporter? He certainly dogged the guest interviewee. Might this put the guest in a bad light? Not really anyone sitting in his chair would have had the same response or lack there of.. Thats because the Senator is about "Change" and "Feelings". OK what specifically is that? Well it's "change" and "feelings". O-alright then. There you have it. Does Chris now get a tingle at Obama's voice? He must be digging those changed feelings!

A STATE senator - not a even member of the Congress of the United States

Man, you guts really have to dig deep to justify the truth, which is that your dislike of Obama stems from racism, pure and simple!

[Oki alumni]

I thought Chris M. was an Obama supporter? He certainly dogged the guest interviewee. Might this put the guest in a bad light? Not really anyone sitting in his chair would have had the same response or lack there of.. Thats because the Senator is about "Change" and "Feelings". OK what specifically is that? Well it's "change" and "feelings". O-alright then. There you have it. Does Chris now get a tingle at Obama's voice? He must be digging those changed feelings!

Dan'l, you WILL note that (unlike most republicans) the senator did NOT lie. He clearly stated that he could NOT at that time come up with an answer. Quite a far cry from mccain't who'll give MULTIPLE conflicting and self-contradictory answers, to the SAME question! Guess you'd rather keep more of the SAME...changeless and unfeeling, lying, kids dieing, thievery, gutting the constitution, being a law unto yourself, ad naseau, eh? YOU must be tingling with the "truth's" uttered from mccain't's lips!

-Oki Alumni:old:

[vvloc]

I thought Chris M. was an Obama supporter? He certainly dogged the guest interviewee. Might this put the guest in a bad light? Not really anyone sitting in his chair would have had the same response or lack there of.. Thats because the Senator is about "Change" and "Feelings". OK what specifically is that? Well it's "change" and "feelings". O-alright then. There you have it. Does Chris now get a tingle at Obama's voice? He must be digging those changed feelings!

Post and run, post and run - doesn't that embarrass you?

[vvloc]

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=jOapLfNgkoI&feature=related

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=iTzWO84FpnU&feature=related

[Oki alumni]

vvloc, your first YouTube vid bombed out...for ME...until I used the link above the video

Sound is out of sync with some of the video, but...

Sam Cooke:

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=QUULrCJvwBQ

and let's not forget Freda Payne..."the girls" were also implied.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=PMWM_QUBagM

-Oki Alumni:old: (Just sittin' on th' dock of th' bay [with Otis] ;) )

[Oki alumni]

vv...I have read the WHOLE THREAD and none of the documentation was done by you. And yes, I have heard of John Murtha. He's another quality piece of work right up your alley.

Oki...I don't know who you're calling a troll, I've been a member of this forum since last year. Just unlike most of you losers I have a life and I don't spend it showing how savvy I am on a keyboard or my prowess with google.

My apology JustVP...you are NOT a NEW troll !!!. I'll stipulate to your statement...you are an OLD troll !!! You bear witness to this fact with the post above.

I also stipulate to your self declared facts that you have NEITHER savvy nor prowess. HINT: These do NOT come in "6 packs"!

-Oki Alumni:old:

[danielwagner]

The pollsters (Zogby International and others) have it all over for anyone save Obama. I’m really hoping that the” Dewey elected in a landslide.” headline will be remembered as a caveat and be a prophetic indicator of what is to come this November. McCain is the alternative and not the first choice; he’s just the anti-Obama choice.

There are personalities on this site that would have you believe that you are racist if you would vote for a candidate other than Obama or even specifically for McCain.

For the record I do not consider the race I belong to be bigoted, racist or entirely selfish. I am speaking in generalities, of course, much the same as the polarizing, hate spewing, racist calling posters (you know who you are) do.

I’ll readily admit that I’m biased. I tend to support people and endeavors with principles acknowledging the Golden Rule and/or in line with Natural Law. These people come in every color.

Know that your dark, juvenile, ill-tempered, and irresponsible mud-sling is seen for exactly what it is and does not speak very highly of or for the candidate(that attracts support from the likes of you who) is rabidly defended and feverishly worshipped by people of your ilk.
And be forewarned before you react like an entitled leech being asked to pull your own weight, in America certain races or class of people have been determined to be exempt from the "Racist" label. Unless you’re psychic you have no idea of my physical appearance or cultural heritage.

I think I'll post this in a few places where it might apply. Shalom

[vvloc]

The pollsters (Zogby International and others) have it all over for anyone save Obama.

I readily admit that the pollsters have been shocking inaccurate in recent times; however, I suspect that the problems that plague Mcain't will increase. He has readily admitted (and demonstrated) that he is computer illiterate. The question of would you be comfortable at a company where the CEO was similarly so lacking will become very pertinent as computer literate america begins to evaluate their decision 100 days hence.

The question as to why so many prominent staffers have defected (and I suspect we'll see more) and the internecine battles within the ranks of those who remain, will also becpme increasingly troubling even to his constituency.

His admitted (and demonstrated) lack of knowledge of economics will further hurt him as the "recession" deepens.

As more weariness sets in, his continual gaffes on the wars and the component elements therein, will increase not decrease.

His demonstrated confusion over basic history and geography will highlight how he managed to finish 5th from the bottom of a class of nearly 900 at the Naval Academy. I also expect this revelation of his lack of basic knowledge to increase not decrease.

When the record of his marital infidelity, so far largely unmentioned, comes to the fore, the entire facade falls; and the angry man whom numerous colleagues claim him to be takes center stage.

This man's vulnerabilities are so numerous that I suspect he's been thrown to the wolves, much like Senator Bob Dole was in 1996 to provide fodder in an election seen as beyond hope by the gop.

hate spewing, racist calling posters

If it is I, to whom you refer here, I readily admit to hating liars, dissemblers, and those who dispense dis-information regularly. Furthermore I quite clearly AM anti-war, anti-racist, anti-misogynist, and anti-homophobic.

I would further add that as someone who has lived in a dozen countries in 5 continents, I have a global and NOT a nationalistic view of the world

I’ll readily admit that I’m biased. I tend to support people and endeavors with principles acknowledging the Golden Rule and/or in line with Natural Law. These people come in every color.

This appears to me as subterfuge to mask your true feelings, revealed in previous posts.

Know that your dark, juvenile, ill-tempered, and irresponsible mud-sling is seen for exactly what it is and does not speak very highly of or for the candidate(that attracts support from the likes of you who) is rabidly defended and feverishly worshipped by people of your ilk.
And be forewarned before you react like an entitled leech being asked to pull your own weight, in America certain races or class of people have been determined to be exempt from the "Racist" label. Unless you’re psychic you have no idea of my physical appearance or cultural heritage.

These 2 paragraphs seem to reflect your frustration that your ranting is not succeeding in winning many converts to your crusade, and is in fact quite "dark, juvenile, ill-tempered, and irresponsible . . ."

I think I'll post this in a few places where it might apply. Shalom[/QUOTE]

Shalom has a multiplicity of meanings amongst which are "peace" and "good-bye." I doubt your intent to be the former given the tone and tenor of your post!

[cammiepimp]

Screw up the good ole U.S.A.,, Wow I must have missed the good times provided by our last 'great' presidents, which took us through some trying times. 8 years from now the good ole U.S.A will be no worst for wear!

I know, I know, Welfare, and Aids, OH the gas situation must all be fix/abolish during the Obama terms, if not, why put him in there.

No One should complain about anything, YOU put Bush in office! 2x! By the way when I was active duty military...Republican Presidents were my friends...great pay raises!

[vvloc]

Screw up the good ole U.S.A.,, Wow I must have missed the good times provided by our last 'great' presidents, which took us through some trying times. 8 years from now the good ole U.S.A will be no worst for wear!

I know, I know, Welfare, and Aids, OH the gas situation must all be fix/abolish during the Obama terms, if not, why put him in there.

No One should complain about anything, YOU put Bush in office! 2x! By the way when I was active duty military...Republican Presidents were my friends...great pay raises!

As a poster who has only posted 3 times (avg 0.02/day), maybe you read posts as much as you post. In any case, you MUST have missed this:

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=OnyEMLXvgV8&feature=related

[vvloc]

vvloc, your first YouTube vid bombed out...for ME...until I used the link above the video

Sound is out of sync with some of the video, but...

Sam Cooke:

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=QUULrCJvwBQ

and let's not forget Freda Payne..."the girls" were also implied.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=PMWM_QUBagM

-Oki Alumni:old: (Just sittin' on th' dock of th' bay [with Otis] ;) )

MANY, many thanks - Loved your choice of videos and songs - how could I have forgotten Freda Payne - "early onset old(e) timers, I guess.

[badkitty]

I still don't understand what the big to-do is. He mis spoke. It's not like he said 'Mission Accomplished' or anything to that degree. We all have jumbled statements that we have made and no one is lining us up for the firing squad.

[vvloc]

Are you serious?

He didn't mis-speak, tae - he flat out lied in public to a Vietnam vet, no less, who had the facts and details right there in front of him.

His record on GI matters IS abhorrent.

[Oki alumni]

The Republican Party now seems to be in a stage of "Terror, Bewilderment, Frustration and Despair". The four horsemen of the Apocalypse have become very familiar players in their game. I can understand GWB's frustration...almost EIGHT years to locate ONE MAN, and no progress. To have started a war in a country OTHER than the one in which the terrorist was suspected of hiding, was "probably ill-advised!!!". MY understatement of the millennium!

Someone mentioned "smoke and mirrors" previously, and Iraq is a CLASSIC example. I draw your attention to the bottom LEFT HAND SIDE of the page my friends!!!!!!
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It's the same now as when you started reading this post...but some of you DID look down, now didn't ya? No WMD's there either!

-Oki Alumni:old:

[P_chan]

No One should complain about anything, YOU put Bush in office! 2x! By the way when I was active duty military...Republican Presidents were my friends...great pay raises!

@ part in red: Do people in the military acutally believe that crap?

[vvloc]

ANOTHER great post - slay them with satire, Oki - Ole' George Carlin (RIP) would be proud.

[vvloc]

@ part in red: Do people in the military acutally believe that crap?

Some here, apparently, have bought this lie; hook, line and sinker, P.

As you've said "denial" (is a beach) and "ain't a river in Egypt,"

[Meliai]

This thread and the whole politics section of this site is discouraging. I don't agree with either side on everything but I do enjoy civilized discussions. I can't seem to find one here as it's heavily loaded with self-righteous attitudes, arrogance, outright insults and name calling, etc. And that's from both sides.

Yes, yes. I'm sorry I'm not here enough or haven't been around long enough to one side but then equally sorry that I do have a life to the other side. I'm sorry I bothered to expect any serious discussions here but then equally sorry that I'm even pointing it out as ... what is it? I'd probably be better off scouting under my bridge for (ironically) civilized, politically inclined persons. Being some sort of troll and all, I'm sure. :D Anyway, I don't foresee myself griping about the boys club after this post and I promise to do my best to find another place to look for enlightening political interactions. Hope this doesn't reflect poorly on my presence around the rest of this site ... but I won't hold my breath. ;) Flame on!

[P_chan]

Why do people keep alluding that they "have a real life" when it comes to these arguments? As if someone who posts a lot or spends a lot of time here somehow doesn't "have a life". Why do you try to justify your "life" by saying we don't have one? If it really bothers you that much, then just stay out of the discussion. I admit that there is a bit too much flaming going on in here but I still pop in here to read the posts.

This post is not directed at any one person. It's a general statement and something I've been thinking about lately because people keep brining up the moot point of "I have a life and you don't because you spend time on the internet".

[greenflash]

@ part in red: Do people in the military acutally believe that crap?

Maybe you have to consider the past tense when analyzing the statement. The pay raises WERE pretty good under previous GOP presidents.

[P_chan]

Maybe you have to consider the past tense when analyzing the statement. The pay raises WERE pretty good under previous GOP presidents.

Exactly, then why do people still think that every republican president = pay raises for the military? Then to base your vote upon that fallicy is just plain ol' crazy.

The current canidate is AGAINST increasing the GI bill. I'd imagine an education would be a good thing for a solider/marine/airman/seaman to have. Sure it might hurt retainability but it can also cause a rise in recruitment. One of the main reasons I joined the military was to get the education benifits.

[IndyGal]

Why do people keep alluding that they "have a real life" when it comes to these arguments? As if someone who posts a lot or spends a lot of time here somehow doesn't "have a life". Why do you try to justify your "life" by saying we don't have one? If it really bothers you that much, then just stay out of the discussion. I admit that there is a bit too much flaming going on in here but I still pop in here to read the posts.

This post is not directed at any one person. It's a general statement and something I've been thinking about lately because people keep brining up the moot point of "I have a life and you don't because you spend time on the internet".


Lately I have seen people posting the "get a life" posts in response to those throwing out "you post and run" crap. It is as if these members expect people to sit on here for hours to field replies to their posts.

[Oki alumni]

If "afrieddawg" meant to point out (numerous???) "gaffes and/or lies", I judge his efforts as a TOTAL FAILURE...and a miserable effort! While the "committee" remark by our future President, could POSSIBLY be considered a "gaffe", I think it by NO means qualifies as an outright lie, rather a mis-speaking of what was intended. For THOSE types of peccadillo's, (gaffes and/or lies), John McCain will probably never be topped. Democrat's applaud his championship in this arena, (he's exceeded even GWB's performances and expectations!!!) and I encourage him to proceed, unimpeded by such trivial things as "truth".

-Oki Alumni:old:

[Asshat]

Maybe you have to consider the past tense when analyzing the statement. The pay raises WERE pretty good under previous GOP presidents.

But during those high pay raise Prez terms, the VA gained nothing. The "GI Bill" for example consisted of being able to contribute to an education fund with dollar matching. Wow. So how many 18 year-olds contributed to that? Earn 900 a month and contribute 100 to the program.

It aint all about pay raises and fancy new jeeps there military people. There is a life after the military, and even if someone hasn't blown your balls off in some shithole, all that PT you did is going to be taking it's toll on your body long before you are ready to quit hacking the load.

[P_chan]

Lately I have seen people posting the "get a life" posts in response to those throwing out "you post and run" crap. It is as if these members expect people to sit on here for hours to field replies to their posts.

True, but I think those individuals are more concerned with unanswered questions. Such as someone coming in here, talking circles around themselves, then promptly leaving once the heat is on. Only to return later with a case of amnesia about what they previously said.

[affiredawg76]

Exactly, then why do people still think that every republican president = pay raises for the military? Then to base your vote upon that fallicy is just plain ol' crazy.

The current canidate is AGAINST increasing the GI bill. I'd imagine an education would be a good thing for a solider/marine/airman/seaman to have. Sure it might hurt retainability but it can also cause a rise in recruitment. One of the main reasons I joined the military was to get the education benifits.

Well since the Post 9/11 G.I. Bill has been signed into law, you should have said, "The current candidate was AGAINST increasing the G.I. Bill".

You could at least use the proper tense while you're busy distorting.

For the record, McCain was against the G.I. Bill in its form at the time for a couple reasons.

#1 in his and others opinions, it discouraged retention/re-enlistment since it gave too many benefits too soon. McCain's idea was to give the benefits out in tiers to encourage people to make the military a career...and since the SNCO's and NCO's are what the military is trying to keep, it only made sense.

#2, McCain wanted a transferability option so the member could transfer unused benefits to a spouse or child...an idea which military member wanted since many people's benefits go unused or are allowed to expire. The original bill had no such language.

There was a compromise...the final bill is a "tiered" approach WITH a transferability option included. Hmmm....I wonder why that was...maybe because the White House threatened a veto and certain Senators objected?

Now we have a better bill that serves not only the member, but the member's family. If people like McCain had just gone along with it, we'd have a bill that would've been an improvement, but nowhere near what was signed into law.

Some people can't see the Forrest for the trees.

But feel free to continue with this ridiculous Democratic talking point. You want to bash McCain...I want to thank him for standing up and delivering a better bill.

[vvloc]

Bla bla bla bla

[Oki alumni]

Some people can't see the Forrest for the trees.

You COULD affriedawd, if you'd just TAKE OFF YOUR BLINDERS! You might ALSO see the "handwriting on the wall".

-Oki Alumni:old:

[danielwagner]

http://web.israelinsider.com/views/13007.htm

Good question. Though Sen. Obama has triumphantly returned from his whirl-wind Middle East and European tour, received a nine point bounce in a poll, This man has a question about the great uniter’s vision. How convenient of Sen. (soon to ascend to his throne) Obama, to miss the opportunity to include the Jews in his worldview of victimized people. Exclude the Jews first and then who's next? You and yours?

Hitler was stopped before he could move on to other groups.

I wouldn't call this a lie or a gaffe but perhaps an omitted truth that tells something about the Left's messiah.

[vvloc]

Do you have any idea how many nuclear weapons israel possesses, Daniel?

Is this a prelude to discussing the canard of the threat Iran poses to Israel?

[P_chan]

Well since the Post 9/11 G.I. Bill has been signed into law, you should have said, "The current candidate was AGAINST increasing the G.I. Bill".

You could at least use the proper tense while you're busy distorting.

For the record, McCain was against the G.I. Bill in its form at the time for a couple reasons.

#1 in his and others opinions, it discouraged retention/re-enlistment since it gave too many benefits too soon. McCain's idea was to give the benefits out in tiers to encourage people to make the military a career...and since the SNCO's and NCO's are what the military is trying to keep, it only made sense.

#2, McCain wanted a transferability option so the member could transfer unused benefits to a spouse or child...an idea which military member wanted since many people's benefits go unused or are allowed to expire. The original bill had no such language.

There was a compromise...the final bill is a "tiered" approach WITH a transferability option included. Hmmm....I wonder why that was...maybe because the White House threatened a veto and certain Senators objected?

Now we have a better bill that serves not only the member, but the member's family. If people like McCain had just gone along with it, we'd have a bill that would've been an improvement, but nowhere near what was signed into law.

Some people can't see the Forrest for the trees.

But feel free to continue with this ridiculous Democratic talking point. You want to bash McCain...I want to thank him for standing up and delivering a better bill.

Proper tense? You could try not reading in between the lines for once, and looking for things that aren't there. I said it's a myth that republican presidents are better for the military, because not all of them are. I'd imagine that any layman could put two and two together and understand that I didn't mean ALL republican presidents were bad for the military.

At your other points

#1: Sure it would hurt retention, but it still gives an incentive to join the military. There are a lot of members now who joined for benefits and stayed in because of those easy benefits. Who's to say that if someone came into the military for the GI bill they wouldn't become a lifer just for the retirement check/ease of living? But let's see how retention suffers once you have people spending over half their careers away from their families in the sand box ON TOP OF having to wait 4,5, or 6+ years for their education benefits to kick in. Maybe we should adopt a universal military motto of "Keep em' dum! Sorry but if I was told tomorrow "You can't get your GI bill until you've been in for 10 years" I'd be outta the military as soon as my term was up. Hell, faster than you could say "CE BLOWS!". But you know, that wouldn't hurt retention now would it?

#2: IIRC the ability to transfer benifits to family members has been in the works for sometime. So McCain can't really take credit for that now can he? Moot point!

So where's this bill? I haven't seen the new GI bill's guidelines yet so I can't comment on it. I'll look it up while I'm at work tomorrow.

You bet I'll bash mccain if he continues to do and say things I don't agree with. Or would you rather me be a good little solider and just agree with what I'm told? You know, keep eating up that whole conservitive BS tripe I'm fed everyday in the military?

LOL and keep labeling people who disgaree with you as "liftist" or coming from a "Democratic talking point", speaks wonders for your character! See any terroist fist jabs lately? I bet all people with a muslim sounding name are terrorist too.....right?

[Oki alumni]

Also Daniel, there a FEW of us who were TOTALLY unaware that he was on a speaking tour concerning the atrocities of WWII!!!!!...did he happen to mention the Japanese POW camps by chance?

You're reaching, my friend.

-Oki Alumni:old: (At least OBAMA knows what COUNTRY he's in!!!) :)

[danielwagner]

Do you have any idea how many nuclear weapons israel possesses, Daniel?

Is this a prelude to discussing the canard of the threat Iran poses to Israel?


No, do you? How many? What is the collective yield? Who is targeted? How many countries have they threatened to annihilate? A country surrounded by enemies dedicated to their destruction and you would emasculate the IDF.

Sen. Obama sees Iran as a threat...well OK that depends on which way the political winds are blowing.

How about the fellow’s question? Do you have a position on that? I know it was just another Obama OOOOOOPS!

Have to suit up CU

[vvloc]

What I don't understand about daniel is where he is coming from. One day, he comes in all apologetic, and the next he follows it up with this insulting post:

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=133115&postcount=101

Do you know where you are, daniel - this board is clearly militarily dominant. Under certain circumstances, one would expect a decided leaning toward the repubs, but now we see that despite those of you who wish to convince us of the problems of an Obama presidency, it seems that an overwhelmingly majority of the board see McCain't as a disaster just waiting to happen.

What does that tell you?

Have we failed to become sufficiently edumacated?

Just what IS your agenda?

[vvloc]

No, do you? How many? What is the collective yield? Who is targeted?

Here are conservative estimates:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/nuke-stockpile.htm

Many believe these numbers to vastly understated



How many countries have they threatened to annihilate?[/QUOTE]

Every nation in the region at one time or another, in addition to teaching the is the theory of pre-emptive strikes based on perceived and presumed threats

A country surrounded by enemies dedicated to their destruction and you would emasculate the IDF.

The Israeli DEFENSE Forces is a misnomer - they have fomented more military incursions in that region and defied more UN resolutions than all the other coumtries combined.

Sen. Obama sees Iran as a threat...well OK that depends on which way the political winds are blowing.

How about the fellow’s question? Do you have a position on that?

"fellows question???" You have to be specific if you expect cogent responses!


I know it was just another Obama OOOOOOPS!

Have to suit up CU[/QUOTE]

Later, oh hurried one - are you busy "hustlin' EVERY DAY" like your colleague afrieddawg?

[vvloc]

Proper tense? You could try not reading in between the lines for once, and looking for things that aren't there. I said it's a myth that republican presidents are better for the military, because not all of them are. I'd imagine that any layman could put two and two together and understand that I didn't mean ALL republican presidents were bad for the military.

At your other points

#1: Sure it would hurt retention, but it still gives an incentive to join the military. There are a lot of members now who joined for benefits and stayed in because of those easy benefits. Who's to say that if someone came into the military for the GI bill they wouldn't become a lifer just for the retirement check/ease of living? But let's see how retention suffers once you have people spending over half their careers away from their families in the sand box ON TOP OF having to wait 4,5, or 6+ years for their education benefits to kick in. Maybe we should adopt a universal military motto of "Keep em' dum! Sorry but if I was told tomorrow "You can't get your GI bill until you've been in for 10 years" I'd be outta the military as soon as my term was up. Hell, faster than you could say "CE BLOWS!". But you know, that wouldn't hurt retention now would it?

#2: IIRC the ability to transfer benifits to family members has been in the works for sometime. So McCain can't really take credit for that now can he? Moot point!

So where's this bill? I haven't seen the new GI bill's guidelines yet so I can't comment on it. I'll look it up while I'm at work tomorrow.

You bet I'll bash mccain if he continues to do and say things I don't agree with. Or would you rather me be a good little solider and just agree with what I'm told? You know, keep eating up that whole conservitive BS tripe I'm fed everyday in the military?

LOL and keep labeling people who disgaree with you as "liftist" or coming from a "Democratic talking point", speaks wonders for your character! See any terroist fist jabs lately? I bet all people with a muslim sounding name are terrorist too.....right?

Well stated and completely addresses frieddawg's contentions - good job, P.

[affiredawg76]

Proper tense? You could try not reading in between the lines for once, and looking for things that aren't there. I said it's a myth that republican presidents are better for the military, because not all of them are. I'd imagine that any layman could put two and two together and understand that I didn't mean ALL republican presidents were bad for the military.

At your other points

#1: Sure it would hurt retention, but it still gives an incentive to join the military. There are a lot of members now who joined for benefits and stayed in because of those easy benefits. Who's to say that if someone came into the military for the GI bill they wouldn't become a lifer just for the retirement check/ease of living? But let's see how retention suffers once you have people spending over half their careers away from their families in the sand box ON TOP OF having to wait 4,5, or 6+ years for their education benefits to kick in. Maybe we should adopt a universal military motto of "Keep em' dum! Sorry but if I was told tomorrow "You can't get your GI bill until you've been in for 10 years" I'd be outta the military as soon as my term was up. Hell, faster than you could say "CE BLOWS!". But you know, that wouldn't hurt retention now would it?

#2: IIRC the ability to transfer benifits to family members has been in the works for sometime. So McCain can't really take credit for that now can he? Moot point!

So where's this bill? I haven't seen the new GI bill's guidelines yet so I can't comment on it. I'll look it up while I'm at work tomorrow.

You bet I'll bash mccain if he continues to do and say things I don't agree with. Or would you rather me be a good little solider and just agree with what I'm told? You know, keep eating up that whole conservitive BS tripe I'm fed everyday in the military?

LOL and keep labeling people who disgaree with you as "liftist" or coming from a "Democratic talking point", speaks wonders for your character! See any terroist fist jabs lately? I bet all people with a muslim sounding name are terrorist too.....right?

Whatever floats you boat bud, but the fact remains that your contention that McCain was against the G.I. Bill and basically doesn't give a sh** is just that...a bunch of bullsh** and I think YOU KNOW IT.

The statement that McCain is against the GI Bill is a Democratic talking point that has been repeated ad nauseum...to the point where it's at one of those "repeat a lie long enough and people begin to believe it" hit jobs.

Don't get bent out of shape when someone calls you out on something you admittedly haven't even seen the guidelines on.

And BTW, the transferability option has not been in the works. Sen Daniel Akaka, (D) Hawaii was against it being the original bill and it was NOT included in the original language of it. He said there hasn't been enough of a study done to see it it would be worthwhile. Senator Webb... for as much credit as I give him for pushing this so hard, did not have the transferability option included in his original version of the bill until it came up for compromise with Republicans like Lindsay Graham and John McCain and that is a FACT.

I don't know if you a G.I. or what, but I know that considering the impact I knew this would have on me and my family, I was watching this very closely and following it at every turn. It was extremely disappointing to see that at first, it looked like the transferability option was not going to make it in, but at the last minute, was added due to people like Graham and McCain. I know it would just KILL you to give him credit for ANYTHING, but unlike you, I don't have a problem giving credit where it's due. In fact, I even took the time to write Sen. Webb a personal thank you for taking this up and building a consensus.

[vvloc]

Is it possible that afrieddawg tied a pink ribbon around his paw and actually remembered to have me on ignore?

Please, please, dear Lord, make it be true!

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In a sham attempt to get world support for its imperialist rampage, the US relentlessly points out Iraq's breaches of UN resolutions. No mention is made of the far graver breaches by nuclear armed Israel.

:scratchchin:

The US relentlessly pointed out Iraq's breaches of UN resolutions. No mention is made of the far graver breaches by nuclear armed Israel.

Resolution 106: "... 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 242: "..."affirms" need for Israel to withdraw from illegally occupied territory
Resolution 248: "... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation""
Resolution 259: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "....'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon'
Resolution 444: "...'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "... 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "... 'reiterates' that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'"
Resolution 478: "...'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"
Resolution 484: "...'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
Resolution 587: "...'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
Resolution 607: "...'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 608: "...'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
Resolution 641: "...'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 672: "...'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
Resolution 673: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
Resolution 681: "...'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 694: "...'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
Resolution 726: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 799: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

[vvloc]

In fact, I even took the time to write Sen. Webb a personal thank you for taking this up and building a consensus.

Oh, isn't that sweet?

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=2AkLE4X-bbU

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In a sham attempt to get world support for its imperialist rampage, the US relentlessly points out Iraq's breaches of UN resolutions. No mention is made of the far graver breaches by nuclear armed Israel.

:scratchchin:

The US relentlessly pointed out Iraq's breaches of UN resolutions. No mention is made of the far graver breaches by nuclear armed Israel.

Resolution 106: "... 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 242: "..."affirms" need for Israel to withdraw from illegally occupied territory
Resolution 248: "... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation""
Resolution 259: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "....'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon'
Resolution 444: "...'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "... 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "... 'reiterates' that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'"
Resolution 478: "...'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"
Resolution 484: "...'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
Resolution 587: "...'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
Resolution 607: "...'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 608: "...'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
Resolution 641: "...'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 672: "...'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
Resolution 673: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
Resolution 681: "...'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 694: "...'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
Resolution 726: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 799: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

Thank you for your research, compiling and posting this list. It will be bookmarked for future reference. MANY thanks again.

vv

[Old Timer]

http://www.thefairandbalancednews.com/pages/Israel%20Resolutions.htm

More detailed.

[Bones]

Someone please, seriously, take the time to see how many times we've approached Iraq, how many times headway appeared to be possible, etc...., before we actually attacked.

To save everyone out there some time digging through Wikipedia, the time frame that I'm looking for would be after Desert Shield/ Storm.

Then tell me why we should not have attacked.

Bones

[vvloc]

Simple questions deserve simple answers. We NEVER approached them civilly in the interim you question. We simply bombed them and imposed snactions, including on items as varied as baby food and medecines. For this reason a 1/2 million Iraqi's died between the 2 "wars."

We shouldn't of attacked because there were no weapons of mass destruction, either in existence, nor in production - there was no link between Saddam and Bin Laden - in fact, they hated each other.

So if in fact we wanted revenge we should have focused on Afghanistan (which is now resurgent) where Bin Laden was or Saudi Arabia from whence 16 of the 19 highjackers came.

I can't believe that you have been asking this same question for 5 years now, and receiving the same answer. What is it that I am failing to include?

[P_chan]

Whatever floats you boat bud, but the fact remains that your contention that McCain was against the G.I. Bill and basically doesn't give a sh** is just that...a bunch of bullsh** and I think YOU KNOW IT.

The statement that McCain is against the GI Bill is a Democratic talking point that has been repeated ad nauseum...to the point where it's at one of those "repeat a lie long enough and people begin to believe it" hit jobs.

Don't get bent out of shape when someone calls you out on something you admittedly haven't even seen the guidelines on.

And BTW, the transferability option has not been in the works. Sen Daniel Akaka, (D) Hawaii was against it being the original bill and it was NOT included in the original language of it. He said there hasn't been enough of a study done to see it it would be worthwhile. Senator Webb... for as much credit as I give him for pushing this so hard, did not have the transferability option included in his original version of the bill until it came up for compromise with Republicans like Lindsay Graham and John McCain and that is a FACT.

I don't know if you a G.I. or what, but I know that considering the impact I knew this would have on me and my family, I was watching this very closely and following it at every turn. It was extremely disappointing to see that at first, it looked like the transferability option was not going to make it in, but at the last minute, was added due to people like Graham and McCain. I know it would just KILL you to give him credit for ANYTHING, but unlike you, I don't have a problem giving credit where it's due. In fact, I even took the time to write Sen. Webb a personal thank you for taking this up and building a consensus.

proof please! Otherwise I'd just be believing one of those "hit jobs". Because I'd imagine if McCain was getting flack for turning down the GI bill he would say "Look I helped reform it so you can transfer the benefits to your family.". Instead all I heard was "No I want to change it to help retainability.". So which one is it? Because what I saw showed him against the GI bill and just giving a BS "adjust it for retainability" excuse. But like I said before, I'm more for a GI bill that gives better educational benifits, rather than enchance retainability.

Yes it would just kill me:rolleyes:. I, unlike some people, have no problem admitting once I'm wrong. Bent out of shape? Look in the mirror lately buddy? YOU CREATED A ENTIRE THREAD OUT OF SPITE!!!! But continue on with your predictable "I hate lefties!" dribble, it's definatly nothing new.

Transferbility not in the works? Where then where the hell did it come from? I heard rumors of the idea being kicked around before I even enlisted. And once again, how about some proof showing McCain's support for the transferbility?

[danielwagner]

Didn't realize some of you folks wouldn't click on this address (your right to discriminate or ignore) so the content follows for your approval. Or not.

If you are surrounded and attack one hundred and eighty degrees from whence you started are you retreating or simply attacking in a different direction?

Who denies Israel and her people the right to exist? Does this nation have a right to exist?


Asked because no respondents touched this fellow’s (Kohn) question. I understand it shows an unfortunate tell regarding the sympathetic messiah.


Go ahead pick at a peripheral item. Threw ‘um in to make it easy for you.


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Barack Obama and the Unmentionable Terror Target

By Stephen J. Kohn July 25, 2008


Sen. Obama's delivered a crucial speech in Berlin on July 24. Find the missing words.

"This is the moment when we must defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it. This threat is real and we cannot shrink from our responsibility to combat it. If we could create NATO to face down the Soviet Union, we can join in a new and global partnership to dismantle the networks that have struck in Madrid and Amman; in London and Bali; in Washington and New York. If we could win a battle of ideas against the communists, we can stand with the vast majority of Muslims who reject the extremism that leads to hate instead of hope."

Amman?

After spending 24 hours in Israel the day before, speaking in front of rockets that had fallen on Sderot, and staying at a hotel on a street subject to a terror attack hours before his arrival, the senator shows his true beliefs -- that terror against Jews somehow is less heinous, violent and meaningful than that inflicted on others.

How revealing that he omitted Israel from his list of terror targets when speaking in Berlin.

Just as in his 24 hour switch on the status of Jerusalem, following his AIPAC speech, the chameleoneque senator changes his message on terror as the surroundings change.

Where does the senator stand on terror against Israel?

Depends where he's standing today.
Views expressed by the author do not necessarily reflect those of israelinsider.


Stephen J. Kohn is an American businessman who moved to Israel 15 years ago with his wife and son. He frequently writes commentary on political issues. He has always been an independent voter so his views are governed by his analyses not any party line.

[danielwagner]

Uh-oh. Sen. McCain might have convinced a majority of Americans but what about the rest of the world? Prompting one to ask where should Sen. Obama tour next? Another offering to allow you a distraction from my previous post (Kohn) question.


In this week’s Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, voters overwhelmingly said that John McCain is more knowledgeable and better experienced to handle the presidency – by a 34% margin (53%-19%).

Voters express this in other ways as well; with 50% saying that Barack Obama must choose a running-mate to bolster his experience in military and foreign affairs, and 42% saying he needs to select an expert on the economy to bolster his experience there.


In the same WSJ/NBC poll, McCain also scores higher on showing strong leadership (+11), sharing the values of voters (+11), standing up for his beliefs (+8), being honest and straightforward (+4), and being a good Commander-in-Chief (+28).

Since becoming the presumptive nominee, Obama has yet to gain the confidence of the American people in his readiness to be President, and is viewed as a “risky choice” by a majority (55%) of the electorate.
In critical battleground states, leads that opened for Barack Obama after he became the presumptive nominee are evaporating, including several states that were “blue” in 2004.

The most recent survey in Michigan from The Detroit News shows the race in a statistical dead heat at 43%-41% with 12% yet undecided.
Quinnipiac polling released on July 24th shows that Barack Obama’s lead has shrunk to 2 points in Minnesota and that John McCain is again leading in Colorado.

In the all-important battleground of Ohio, the latest Rasmussen survey in Ohio shows John McCain opening a 10-point lead.

[OtisPMerriweather]

Jumping in here on the G. I. Bill distortion...

Fisrt off, info regarding the complete details of the new G. I. Bill can be found here: http://www.gibill.va.gov/S22/S22%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

Secondly, McCain was against the G. I. Bill expansion forcefully, and when asked to defend his position on the expansion, stated that his reason for doing so would "hurt" the military because of retention. You can read up on that yourself here: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/26/mccain/

Now this is where the math gets tricky. This is where I get all pissed off when people say the Republicans are pro-military, etc., etc. The reason McCain and Republicans in general oppose legislation like this is because they think they are smarter than we are.

See, they know that the VAST majority of people who serve do so because they have very few economic options. They also know that if anyone points this fact out, especially one who is not IN the military, they can flip the script and claim that they are questioning our patriotism and insulting us by calling us uneducated. It's a double-edged sword! Those of us enlisted on active duty, know that this is, however a reality.

This economic leverage, they know, is the main reason most people re-enlist. McCain and his fellow Republicans saw that this bill would give a guy a chance at starting a new life for himself, and they couldn't have that. They also couldn't be seen as staunchly opposed to GI Bill reform in an election year, especially after the press that McCain's initial opposition generated. So what to do? The short answer, the transferability option.

The transferability option, is simply a way to hold a member over in the military longer and leverage the economic needs of the member against those of his family. They didn't do it because it was "better" for our families- were that the case, they could have thrown it in, no strings attached. They intend to force a guy (generally Sgt's and up) to make the tough call. They want you to HAVE to stay in the military- given an ACTUAL alternative, you might just get out. To top that off, he and Bush have the nerve and audacity, to give McCain CREDIT for the bill in it's entirety!

I could rant on about this, but those kind of people like to piss on your head and call it rain. McCain never had to make that call, he's been rich all his life- he didn't have to use the GI Bill for an education. Hell, the Republicans (led by Bush) opposed our latest pay raise, because they said it was "unnecessary". McCain wants the VA to stop giving care to veterans without "combat wounds"- but then McCain never had to go to the VA for health care, either. Exactly how is he supporting the military?

Voting to give the "military" more money to fight the war in Iraq and saying that by doing that, he is supporting the troops? Thanks a lot.

[OtisPMerriweather]

Uh-oh. Sen. McCain might have convinced a majority of Americans but what about the rest of the world? Prompting one to ask where should Sen. Obama tour next? Another offering to allow you a distraction from my previous post (Kohn) question.


In this week’s Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, voters overwhelmingly said that John McCain is more knowledgeable and better experienced to handle the presidency – by a 34% margin (53%-19%).

Voters express this in other ways as well; with 50% saying that Barack Obama must choose a running-mate to bolster his experience in military and foreign affairs, and 42% saying he needs to select an expert on the economy to bolster his experience there.


In the same WSJ/NBC poll, McCain also scores higher on showing strong leadership (+11), sharing the values of voters (+11), standing up for his beliefs (+8), being honest and straightforward (+4), and being a good Commander-in-Chief (+28).

Since becoming the presumptive nominee, Obama has yet to gain the confidence of the American people in his readiness to be President, and is viewed as a “risky choice” by a majority (55%) of the electorate.
In critical battleground states, leads that opened for Barack Obama after he became the presumptive nominee are evaporating, including several states that were “blue” in 2004.

The most recent survey in Michigan from The Detroit News shows the race in a statistical dead heat at 43%-41% with 12% yet undecided.
Quinnipiac polling released on July 24th shows that Barack Obama’s lead has shrunk to 2 points in Minnesota and that John McCain is again leading in Colorado.

In the all-important battleground of Ohio, the latest Rasmussen survey in Ohio shows John McCain opening a 10-point lead.

More disingenuity. Anyone with half a brain knows that there is a large segment of the population out there who will not vote for Obama because he is Black. Simple as that. All the clever word phrases e.g. "sharing values", and "risky choice" are just euphemisms for saying "because he's not one of us"- us being old, rich, and white.

Think I'm just playing the race card? Where were these phrases when Bush was running against Gore or Kerry? I challenge anyone to point to a poll where that question was asked then. In fact, the only place I ever saw "risky choice" before was a Dick Cheney quote hoping to scare America into thinking we'd be attacked by terrorists if Kerry won. But McCain's different from Bush/Cheney, right???

P.S....where did that story come from anyways? Or do we get to just take your word for it?

[OtisPMerriweather]

P.S....where did that story come from anyways? Or do we get to just take your word for it?

Aaaah..I see. From a RNC strategy memo! GREAT source. Knew there was a reason you left that part out...

http://thepage.time.com/rnc-strategy-memo/

You almost got away with one...it's late, but I'm not THAT sleepy.

[affiredawg76]

proof please! Otherwise I'd just be believing one of those "hit jobs". Because I'd imagine if McCain was getting flack for turning down the GI bill he would say "Look I helped reform it so you can transfer the benefits to your family.". Instead all I heard was "No I want to change it to help retainability.". So which one is it? Because what I saw showed him against the GI bill and just giving a BS "adjust it for retainability" excuse. But like I said before, I'm more for a GI bill that gives better educational benifits, rather than enchance retainability.

Yes it would just kill me:rolleyes:. I, unlike some people, have no problem admitting once I'm wrong. Bent out of shape? Look in the mirror lately buddy? YOU CREATED A ENTIRE THREAD OUT OF SPITE!!!! But continue on with your predictable "I hate lefties!" dribble, it's definatly nothing new.

Transferbility not in the works? Where then where the hell did it come from? I heard rumors of the idea being kicked around before I even enlisted. And once again, how about some proof showing McCain's support for the transferbility?

LOL...you've got some nerve demanding proof when #1 you provided NONE yourself and it was your contention that he was against it...you didn't say why, didn't say what his idea was and argue why his position was wrong...simply said he was against it. In good talking point fashion.

You then admit you've never read the Post 9/11 G.I. Bill, but are yet DEMANDING proof...If I give it to you are you actually going to read it?

I love this little charade you've got going where you're pretending to be "above the fray". Are you serious? You're neck deep in it pal.

You got called out regurgitating talking points and are now WHINING about it. You were wrong. Admit your mistake and move on. Don't come here admitting you haven't read something and then throwing around accusations that so and so doesn't support this or that. You stepped in it, be a man and admit it..or is that asking too much?

[Oki alumni]

Hey "affriedawg"...you might check THIS out...but then again, you probably won't.

op cit: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/22/gi-bill-passes-senate_n_103091.html

"UPDATE: Obama has responded to McCain, calling him out for making 'schoolyard taunts':

I am proud to stand with Senator Webb and a bipartisan coalition to give our veterans the support and opportunity they deserve. It's disappointing that Senator McCain and his campaign used this issue to launch yet another lengthy personal, political attack instead of debating an honest policy difference. He should know that this is not about John McCain or Barack Obama - it's about giving our veterans a real chance to afford four years of college without harming retention. Senator Webb's bipartisan bill will do this, and the bill that John McCain supports would not. These endless diatribes and schoolyard taunts from the McCain campaign do nothing to advance the debate about what matters to the American people."

Your tenacity in defending the indefensible IS in a strange way...kind of admirable. That being said, a LOST cause is STILL a LOST CAUSE! "I kiss you, and I kiss you, and I kiss you...and you're STILL a frog!" - Peg Bundy - "Married With Children".:grin1:

-Oki Alumni:old:

[P_chan]

LOL...you've got some nerve demanding proof when #1 you provided NONE yourself and it was your contention that he was against it...you didn't say why, didn't say what his idea was and argue why his position was wrong...simply said he was against it. In good talking point fashion.

You then admit you've never read the Post 9/11 G.I. Bill, but are yet DEMANDING proof...If I give it to you are you actually going to read it?

I love this little charade you've got going where you're pretending to be "above the fray". Are you serious? You're neck deep in it pal.

You got called out regurgitating talking points and are now WHINING about it. You were wrong. Admit your mistake and move on. Don't come here admitting you haven't read something and then throwing around accusations that so and so doesn't support this or that. You stepped in it, be a man and admit it..or is that asking too much?

Awwwww someone's upset again!

My proof? I believe it was posted in another thread, and even in here by otis. I assumed you saw it because you like to hang out in the McCain threads and bitch about how he gets unfair coverage. My bad…Wait, remind me who doesn't read stuff again?:rolleyes:

Above the fray? Are you reading between the lines again? And yes I am asking for proof of McCain’s backing of the new transferability option. Yes smartass, I’m going to read it. Oh and for your information the only info I had on the post 911 GI bill was what I was told/read once I signed up. That was a long time ago so I’m not going to come in here and act like I know everything about the GI bill and the history of it being written. Which is why I asked for proof of McCain backing the transferability option, but you haven’t provided any.

Called out…..Pfffft! Admit to what? Regurgitating talking points? Yes I was regurgitating something I had read about in the past. How is that wrong? Who doesn’t do that? Show me an instance where you, me, or anyone else hasn’t regurgitated something they read or heard somewhere at sometime? I don’t think you can, moot point on your part again. So yes I’ll be a “man” and admit that I regurgitated something I read about McCain and the GI bill. Regurgitated it just like you and everyone else regurgitates nearly everything they read or hear about. Yes I was not up to speed on the all of the facts on the new GI bill because I haven’t read it in a long time. Oh and McCain DIDN’T support the GI bill that expands educational benefits for veterans. Did you have your fingers in your ears once he said that? Here’s the link again incase you conveniently forgot to read what I was giving McCain flak for in the first place. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/26/mccain/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/26/mccain/). Hmmmm looks like he didn’t even vote on Webb’s bill, I would consider that not backing the transfer option. And I already addressed the issue I had with his version of the bill.

[vvloc]

Does anyone, other than me, think that frieddawg's avatar with that sh*t eating grin, accurately reflects his posts? Could it actually BE him?

[Oki alumni]

Does anyone, other than me, think that frieddawg's avatar with that sh*t eating grin, accurately reflects his posts? Could it actually BE him?

You MIND reader. That very thought had crossed my mind ALSO. But out of decency and respect (to the avatar), I didn't mention it before!

"Men in tights"? LOL...question for "affriedawg"...does one go WITH a cod-piece or withOUT a codpiece for formal occasions???

-Oki Alumni:old: (NO "personal affront" expressed or implied.):cool:

[vvloc]

You MIND reader. That very thought had crossed my mind ALSO. But out of decency and respect (to the avatar), I didn't mention it before!

How in the heck do you expect me to post when I am ROTFLMAO???

[danielwagner]

More disingenuity. Anyone with half a brain knows that there is a large segment of the population out there who will not vote for Obama because he is Black. Simple as that. All the clever word phrases e.g. "sharing values", and "risky choice" are just euphemisms for saying "because he's not one of us"- us being old, rich, and white.

Think I'm just playing the race card? Where were these phrases when Bush was running against Gore or Kerry? I challenge anyone to point to a poll where that question was asked then. In fact, the only place I ever saw "risky choice" before was a Dick Cheney quote hoping to scare America into thinking we'd be attacked by terrorists if Kerry won. But McCain's different from Bush/Cheney, right???

P.S....where did that story come from anyways? Or do we get to just take your word for it?



The right honorable Mayor of North Hamby, Hiz Honor, Otis P. Merriweather, do you find the numbers or percentages or categories inaccurately posted? If you have found this so please share the corrected numbers so any misrepresentation is corrected.

In reference to your assessment of the bias or bigoted poll flavor, would you consider that blacks will vote for Obama because of his African father and whites will vote for him because of his Caucasian mother? Or blacks and others will vote for him because of his skin color and whites will vote for him out of white guilt? Or do you think that blacks and other people who look at the world as a place of tribal colors will vote for Obama because he is a man of color and the rest of the electorate votes for him because they perceive him as the best candidate, a messianic figure leading America and the World to the Promised Land? Or people that vote for either candidate do so because he or she is their champion? Or is your position that blacks and whites will vote for McCain because he is white? Or do you think people will vote for their own selfish reasons and not necessarily for self sacrifice or saving the world? This country’s military representatives are serving in hostile fields afar and besides their own families members how many Americans at home are sacrificing for these guys and girls? Not so many, in my opinion. Just like all those people who vote because of what might selfishly be in it for him or her

Are any of these options totally devoid of a bias for a self serving goal or to a far lesser degree hatred of ancestry, either of oneself or another’s?

Is there any difference between Vice President Gore or Sen. Kerry and Sen. Obama besides military service, business experience, legislative prowess, or national/international political time in grade? Might these differences be distinctions begging for answers to the questions about leadership, initiative, core values and beliefs, decisiveness, resolve, mettle or moxie?

Why is it we are so sensitive about questions of people identified with certain groups? Could it be that we are conditioned to treat certain people differently or preferentially? I don’t believe discrimination in and of itself is a bad thing. We do it every day with every choice. Shall I turn left or right when I get to the street? It is your motivation that can be suspect.
Of course if your contention is simply that Obama=Kerry or Gore than I’d say you have a point. I don’t see much of a difference between the three of them in a few categories. But Pa-lease don’t compare them to Teddy (Roosevelt that is) or JFK for leadership and tenacity…not these three.

You Honor I’m not dis’n you. I know that poll results can be slanted in the manner of how the question is asked or the group selected for their opinion. But a red flag always goes up when people want to make it about race instead of character, moral beliefs, philosophy, etc. Some people want it to be about a person’s color and they push their agenda accordingly. MLK wanted his children to be judged by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin. I buy into Dr. King’s dream.

[Asshat]

Well, when you have statements made like "I would never vote for a Black man" out there- was it from a poll in Kentucky?- the red flag is definitely flying.

Of course the other red flag was the conservative switch to Barak Hussein Obama. I doubt that was lost on anyone on both sides of the coin....

Yes, pathetic all.

[OtisPMerriweather]

I'm not going to contest those particular numbers or polls, only to say that you post these numbers from a RNC press release- wouldn't they have a vested interest in "cherry-picking" which polls they thought were significant or important? Then you post that here as if these are the sum of all polls, without telling everyone the context in which you found it. Another dirty trick. You can cherry pick whichever polls you like. Take this headline from today for instance: Obama Takes Widest Lead Yet in Gallup Poll. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/28/obama-takes-widest-lead-yet-in-gallup-poll/

Now Republicans, staying the course as always, would take that claim and spin it as a moral victory...claim the underdog role and say they should be losing by much more...

Now, as far as the race thing, no need for long expostitions. Anyone who has spent any portion of their adult life in America knows that there is a large segment of the population who just don't want a Black guy to be President. But, since you like polls so much, here's one for you.

But overwhelmingly nine out of ten white people have said that they are open to the idea of electing an African American to the Presidency; but fewer whites -- two thirds -- have said that they would be "entirely comfortable" with it.

So let's read between the lines here, with over 215 million whites in America, that comes out to about 71 million white people who wouldn't be comfortable having a Black president...there's only about 35 million blacks in America TOTAL. So I'd claim moral victory a la Republican spin doctors with those odds.

All this, of course, assuming these bullshit polls are to be believed, that is.

[Asshat]

So let's read between the lines here, with over 215 million whites in America, that comes out to about 71 million white people who wouldn't be comfortable having a Black president...there's only about 35 million blacks in America TOTAL. So I'd claim moral victory a la Republican spin doctors with those odds.

Nine out of Ten Americans are "open" to it? Wow! That is more than those willing to give them a job, or wed their daughter or sister! Hey, it's only for the Prez job... :D

[affiredawg76]

Awwwww someone's upset again!

My proof? I believe it was posted in another thread, and even in here by otis. I assumed you saw it because you like to hang out in the McCain threads and bitch about how he gets unfair coverage. My bad…Wait, remind me who doesn't read stuff again?:rolleyes:

Above the fray? Are you reading between the lines again? And yes I am asking for proof of McCain’s backing of the new transferability option. Yes smartass, I’m going to read it. Oh and for your information the only info I had on the post 911 GI bill was what I was told/read once I signed up. That was a long time ago so I’m not going to come in here and act like I know everything about the GI bill and the history of it being written. Which is why I asked for proof of McCain backing the transferability option, but you haven’t provided any.

Called out…..Pfffft! Admit to what? Regurgitating talking points? Yes I was regurgitating something I had read about in the past. How is that wrong? Who doesn’t do that? Show me an instance where you, me, or anyone else hasn’t regurgitated something they read or heard somewhere at sometime? I don’t think you can, moot point on your part again. So yes I’ll be a “man” and admit that I regurgitated something I read about McCain and the GI bill. Regurgitated it just like you and everyone else regurgitates nearly everything they read or hear about. Yes I was not up to speed on the all of the facts on the new GI bill because I haven’t read it in a long time. Oh and McCain DIDN’T support the GI bill that expands educational benefits for veterans. Did you have your fingers in your ears once he said that? Here’s the link again incase you conveniently forgot to read what I was giving McCain flak for in the first place. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/26/mccain/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/26/mccain/). Hmmmm looks like he didn’t even vote on Webb’s bill, I would consider that not backing the transfer option. And I already addressed the issue I had with his version of the bill.

Come on you can do it....admit you were wrong and lets move on...

http://washingtonindependent.com/view/this-is-not-a-flip

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/mccain-hesitant-to

http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=a2277021-073c-4cda-2d24-babeeb22f3bb

From McCain's statement:

I am very pleased that the important education benefits that will be provided to our veterans and service-members will include the option for those currently serving to transfer educational benefits to their families and in that manner encourage retention. That has always been my primary concern with respect to the Webb bill, and it is essential that we continue to act decisively to encourage military service and ensure the well being of our All Volunteer Force. With the addition of the transferability provisions sought by Senators Graham, Burr, myself and others to give service-members the right to transfer earned G.I. Bill benefits to spouses and children, we will have achieved in offering [a] vastly improved educational benefit while also offering incentives for continued service by the most capable, experienced NCO's and officers.

What was it you were saying again?

[Oki alumni]

Come on you can do it....admit you were wrong and lets move on...

http://washingtonindependent.com/view/this-is-not-a-flip

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/mccain-hesitant-to

http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=a2277021-073c-4cda-2d24-babeeb22f3bb

From McCain's statement:

I am very pleased that the important education benefits that will be provided to our veterans and service-members will include the option for those currently serving to transfer educational benefits to their families and in that manner encourage retention. That has always been my primary concern with respect to the Webb bill, and it is essential that we continue to act decisively to encourage military service and ensure the well being of our All Volunteer Force. With the addition of the transferability provisions sought by Senators Graham, Burr, myself and others to give service-members the right to transfer earned G.I. Bill benefits to spouses and children, we will have achieved in offering [a] vastly improved educational benefit while also offering incentives for continued service by the most capable, experienced NCO's and officers.

What was it you were saying again?

errrrrrrrrrrrr....McCain't didn't even VOTE on the final bill, affriedawg!:cursing:

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/photoplog/file.php?n=198&w=o

You were saying?:grin1:

-Oki Alumni:old:

[OtisPMerriweather]

This only proves what I was saying...that McCain wasn't opposing the bill because it left our families out and he was trying to make it the best possible bill for US...he used the transferablilty option as a "carrot" to dangle over the heads of servicemembers to keep them in.

If it were really all about our dependants being able to use the benefits, he would have gotten ot thrown in NO STRINGS ATTACHED.

[affiredawg76]

This only proves what I was saying...that McCain wasn't opposing the bill because it left our families out and he was trying to make it the best possible bill for US...he used the transferablilty option as a "carrot" to dangle over the heads of servicemembers to keep them in.

If it were really all about our dependants being able to use the benefits, he would have gotten ot thrown in NO STRINGS ATTACHED.

WTF??

It was not his legislation and it wasn't in the original form of the bill, so I don't know WTF you're talking about.

[OtisPMerriweather]

Did you READ the links you posted??

[vvloc]

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ADHD disorder

[Oki alumni]

Did you READ the links you posted??

I've just "clicked" on the FIRST link, and it has me thinking..."With FRIENDS like "affriedawd76", (SIW) McCain't doesn't NEED any ENEMIES!!!!!!!!!!"

SIW = Self-Inflicted Wound.

-Oki Alumni:old:

[P_chan]

Come on you can do it....admit you were wrong and lets move on...

http://washingtonindependent.com/view/this-is-not-a-flip

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/mccain-hesitant-to

http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=a2277021-073c-4cda-2d24-babeeb22f3bb

From McCain's statement:

I am very pleased that the important education benefits that will be provided to our veterans and service-members will include the option for those currently serving to transfer educational benefits to their families and in that manner encourage retention. That has always been my primary concern with respect to the Webb bill, and it is essential that we continue to act decisively to encourage military service and ensure the well being of our All Volunteer Force. With the addition of the transferability provisions sought by Senators Graham, Burr, myself and others to give service-members the right to transfer earned G.I. Bill benefits to spouses and children, we will have achieved in offering [a] vastly improved educational benefit while also offering incentives for continued service by the most capable, experienced NCO's and officers.

What was it you were saying again?

Hmmmmm....well smartass, did you read my link that said he DIDN'T EVEN VOTE on the current GI bill? Sounds like he's not supporting it to me!

:confused: What was that YOU were saying again? Do you suffer from dyslexia?

[danielwagner]

I'm not going to contest those particular numbers or polls, only to say that you post these numbers from a RNC press release- wouldn't they have a vested interest in "cherry-picking" which polls they thought were significant or important? Then you post that here as if these are the sum of all polls, without telling everyone the context in which you found it. Another dirty trick. You can cherry pick whichever polls you like. Take this headline from today for instance: Obama Takes Widest Lead Yet in Gallup Poll. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/28/obama-takes-widest-lead-yet-in-gallup-poll/

Now Republicans, staying the course as always, would take that claim and spin it as a moral victory...claim the underdog role and say they should be losing by much more...

Now, as far as the race thing, no need for long expostitions. Anyone who has spent any portion of their adult life in America knows that there is a large segment of the population who just don't want a Black guy to be President. But, since you like polls so much, here's one for you.



So let's read between the lines here, with over 215 million whites in America, that comes out to about 71 million white people who wouldn't be comfortable having a Black president...there's only about 35 million blacks in America TOTAL. So I'd claim moral victory a la Republican spin doctors with those odds.

All this, of course, assuming these bullshit polls are to be believed, that is.


My post might have stirred the pot a little due to the fact it contrasts the current conventional wisdom. Was it “cherry picked”? I’d say from unequivocally to more than likely yes, but what person or organization wouldn’t promote or accentuate the positive? Wouldn’t it be extremely disappointing if they changed the numbers from what the WSJ/NBC organizations reported? I posted it because of who conducted or has been credited for reporting the poll results.

I won’t argue your numbers because like you I would rather believe I’m perceptive enough to know the score without the talking heads tutelage or input. I’m not against polling, but the consideration is timing and the objective/subjective mindset of the individual or group that formulates the questions (hopefully without an agenda) and the context in which it is evaluated. Would you agree we are only going to know what the media we subscribe too wants us to know?

Regarding your “large segment of the population” hypothesis, would I be reading you correctly in assuming you mean Caucasians and predominately Republican but inclusive of all other voting blocks save the Democrats and people of color? I’ve always been amused how people are classified. We want to categorize and cross match. I guess that it is somewhat akin to genes? Along the lines of dominant/recessive? Is this because one of the presidential candidates has parents that would be classified by this standard as one being, by contrast, dominant and the other recessive? But this candidate is simply thought of as being of one particular (dominant?) group (though admittedly not by all members of that and other groups). Another racial, political conundrum. Why is that?

I am neither denying nor questioning the validity of your polling data. It doesn’t statistically square with my present experience. It may be true for the rest of the world but what we have here, at present, are blacks intending to vote for Obama and whites intending to vote for both McCain and Obama. We have other folks having other heritages but my take was yours is a black and white question. I have not lived all over the United States (or the world for that matter) and can claim no authority of knowing how individuals or races are voting outside of my small sphere.

Both Obama and McCain give me pause, one more gravely than the other.


Enjoy your moral victory your honor. It was well stated and deserved.

[vvloc]

I have not lived all over the United States (or the world for that matter) and can claim no authority of knowing how individuals or races are voting outside of my small sphere.

If you admit to a small sphere experientially, why would you offer sweeping generalizations to a group that has, for the most part, experienced life in a multitude of states and countries?

[vvloc]

Man, this guy disappears faster than frieddawg and that IS fast!

[Oki alumni]

I just HAPPENED to run across a movie (documentary) called: "The Whole Truth About The Iraq War". Produced by moveon.org. This movie starts by introducing experts in the field of policy, and gives several very FRIGHTENING conclusions as to how and why we got into IRAQ to begin with. I invite Daniel, ESPECIALLY to see this movie, and welcome any (CONSTRUCTIVE) criticism of it. This should be very interesting viewing for those supporters of the current regime (Republicans) as well as everyone else.

vvloc...have YOU seen this one yet?

-Oki Alumni:old:

[danielwagner]

If you admit to a small sphere experientially, why would you offer sweeping generalizations to a group that has, for the most part, experienced life in a multitude of states and countries?



Thanks for asking.


I didn’t realize I had. That’s assuming I’m correctly tracking your drift? The sphere I was referencing was neither one of experience nor influence but rather one of geography. I can live in but one place at any given moment but my experiences (at least the ones I can recall) do travel with me. When addressing the issue raised by Hiz Honor the Mayor of North Hamby and looking at it, as he seemed too, from a larger, national or perhaps even a world perspective it seemed appropriate to generalize.

You see I was able to be quite specific when I spoke of the present voting intentions of those I am closely associated with.

When one speaks of Italian women wouldn’t it follow that it would be a general statement whereas speaking of an Italian woman would be specific, precise and perhaps even unique? Nonetheless, I thought it was answered in kind, in keeping with the “bigger picture” context of the Mayor’s posting.

[OtisPMerriweather]

Regarding your “large segment of the population” hypothesis....

....I am neither denying nor questioning the validity of your polling data. It doesn’t statistically square with my present experience. .

First statement: This is not "my hypothesis"- I'm not doing a science fair project on Barack Obama. This is a statemennt of fact. How do I know it's a fact? Because the polls that your beloved RNC people sent out said it was so. You reposted it as a statement of fact, or at least that's obviously what you wanted the casual reader to believe. So if it's not fact, then the rest of those statistics couldn't be true either.

Second statement: Again, it's not MY polling data. It's another poll that's in the news. Again, you post numbers that make it seem like these polls and whatnot that are in the news are totally accurate and are to be believed. I just pointed out another poll from the same day by the same company (Gallup) that said something totally different. Whether or not it squares with "your experience" or not is irrelevant. Your experience on this forum is different than mine- don't mean mine ain't reality. <---See how I did that? You know, made my point without even using my pocket thesaurus.

[danielwagner]

First statement: This is not "my hypothesis"- I'm not doing a science fair project on Barack Obama. This is a statemennt of fact. How do I know it's a fact? Because the polls that your beloved RNC people sent out said it was so. You reposted it as a statement of fact, or at least that's obviously what you wanted the casual reader to believe. So if it's not fact, then the rest of those statistics couldn't be true either.

Second statement: Again, it's not MY polling data. It's another poll that's in the news. Again, you post numbers that make it seem like these polls and whatnot that are in the news are totally accurate and are to be believed. I just pointed out another poll from the same day by the same company (Gallup) that said something totally different. Whether or not it squares with "your experience" or not is irrelevant. Your experience on this forum is different than mine- don't mean mine ain't reality. <---See how I did that? You know, made my point without even using my pocket thesaurus.


Good morning Your Honor and I need the scorecard. What are you talking about? And what word did I use that needs a reference document?

[vvloc]

Good morning Your Honor and I need the scorecard. What are you talking about? And what word did I use that needs a reference document?

You need more than a scorecard - You need a good dicktionary, several encyclopedia, and a bulk shipping container of history books.

[danielwagner]

You need more than a scorecard - You need a good dicktionary, several encyclopedia, and a bulk shipping container of history books.


Grammar OK? Would you be referring too the unbiased and objective agenda publications of the Moveon.org variety? Thanks but no thanks.

[vvloc]

To re-state something I once said before;

Oh, and one more thing - for those who still believe the myth of the liberal news bias - It IS just that; simply a myth.

Just like Nixon's VP, Spiro "nattering nabobs of negativism" Agnew, soon found himself facing charges of extortion, tax fraud, bribery, and conspiracy. The so-called silent majority who he claimed supported the Vietnam War were neither silent nor the majority.(And your hero, dannyboy, the tricky one was soon to follow spiro the repugnant out the door.)

The descendents of that failed canard soon became known as the moral majority, who similarly were neither moral, nor the majority.

As the late great George Carlin (may he rest in peace) often said: Don't believe what they're telling you, folks - they're liars, all of them.

[vvloc]

Grammar OK? Would you be referring too the unbiased and objective agenda publications of the Moveon.org variety? Thanks but no thanks.


Grammar ok but epic fail on, "too."

[Oki alumni]

Yah Daniel, I'm SURE that those who indicted former President Nixon were VERY biased also. But ya know what? Even if you're biased, and you come armed with the truth, it's AWFULLY hard to be ignored. I'm not saying GWB is holding the smoking gun, but I WOULD like a GSR test done on his hands.

Who ELSE but the Democrats (and a few enlightened Republicans) would DARE even suggest any improprieties, let alone any illegal acts. GWB has even tried to dodge the question by writing his OWN laws...retroactively. I have NO doubt that some VERY incriminating evidence is being withheld under "executive privilege. It is even speculatedthat Bush, in his usual audacity, will provide himself with "executive immunity".

You didn't even watch the referenced documentary, did you? I reveled in it, just as I revel in ACLU's actions to return things to the U.S. Constitution. Being in denial, you seem to join countless Republicans in donning the blinders to truth. More, and possibly even WORSE atrocities could occur by electing almost ANY Republican to office again.

With utmost sincerity,

-Oki Alumni

[vvloc]

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=jHQ7Prwh7Gc

Bush seeks retroactive immunity for violating War Crimes Act
Via Sun Times at 7:28 am Oct 10, 2006
The ''pardon'' is buried in Bush's proposed legislation to create a new kind of military tribunal for cases involving top al-Qaida operatives. The ''pardon'' provision has nothing to do with the tribunals. Instead, it guts the War Crimes Act of 1996, a federal law that makes it a crime, in some cases punishable by death, to mistreat detainees in violation of the Geneva Conventions and makes the new, weaker terms of the War Crimes Act retroactive to 9/11. Press accounts of the provision have described it as providing immunity for CIA interrogators. But its terms cover the president and other top officials because the act applies to any U.S. national.

http://www.newscloud.com/read/Bush_seeks_retroactive_immunity_for_violating_War_ Crimes_Act?skipSplash

[danielwagner]

Grammar ok but epic fail on, "too."

Is vvloc the master of the obvious or what? How does vvloc post it? ROTFLMAO (had to look that up after seeing it on one of your posts)?


U R Rite it is a grammatical howler!! Dang! Dawg gummit! Shood ov pruf red it! Or did Hansel leave a crumb for Gretel? Things that make you go hmmmmm. Either way me thinks a thank you is due the creator of spell and grammar check and to vvloc too. Well-done vvloc.


Oki-they wanted somewhere in the neighborhood of twelve dollars (ten if you ordered five)! I’d attempt to watch it as I have 911 and other proclaimed “documentaries” if there wasn’t a demand for my hard earned coin. That money would be better donated to a right to life or another children’s focused organization. I am not going to support Move on dot org. They have a poster looking to take Fox out of the cable staple line-up, the poster claims that Fox personalities are showing pornography on their shows. The ACLU defends pornography and clothes it in free speech. Are Move On and the ACLU associated in anyway? Is there an unstated agenda in there, somewhere? I say let the free market, not the government or Moveon.org decide that one. Couldn’t continue on the site after seeing that. How’s Air America doing?


Oki-I am not as sophisticated or experienced as you and vvloc when it comes to the Internet. I am unable and at this point unwilling to sit for large chunks of time (e.g. ten minutes or more) in front of a computer (exception-duty required). I’ve heard that cyberspace is fast becoming the playground of society’s seniors. Are you fellows’ retired or simply young lads, with lots of on-duty downtime, who are extremely efficient in Google cyberspace? Please don’t take this as a “slam” (unless you want too). It was not intended as such. But if it stirs your passion and makes you feel alive…you’re welcome. Shalom for vvloc and Peace out for Oki.

[vvloc]

If you wouldn't be in such a hurry to run away every time you post, you might note that you have ~8 hours to proof AND edit your posts.

Or you can do it like I do, which is immediately re-proof and edit (if necessary).

[danielwagner]

You need more than a scorecard - You need a good dicktionary, several encyclopedia, and a bulk shipping container of history books.


Is there hidden meaning in these high-lighted words O' crafty one? By the way, thanks for the time limit edit tip, didn't realize. You say you use edit? And here you had me assuming you're perfect. Ohhhh gotta run (away)! Cheers.

[vvloc]

Is there an unstated agenda in there, somewhere? I say let the free market, not the government or Moveon.org decide that one.

Their agenda, in contrast to yours, is quite clearly stated.

[vvloc]

And here you had me assuming you're perfect.

You do know what they say about ASSumptions, don't you - nah, prolly not.

In any case, capable of perfectly exposing you for your fraudulent and flawed propagandistic ways.

[vvloc]

Oki-I am not as sophisticated or experienced as you and vvloc when it comes to the Internet.

No need to state the obvious - why not let your wife do it, like mcain't?

[danielwagner]

Yah Daniel, I'm SURE that those who indicted former President Nixon were VERY biased also. But ya know what? Even if you're biased, and you come armed with the truth, it's AWFULLY hard to be ignored. I'm not saying GWB is holding the smoking gun, but I WOULD like a GSR test done on his hands.

Who ELSE but the Democrats (and a few enlightened Republicans) would DARE even suggest any improprieties, let alone any illegal acts. GWB has even tried to dodge the question by writing his OWN laws...retroactively. I have NO doubt that some VERY incriminating evidence is being withheld under "executive privilege. It is even speculatedthat Bush, in his usual audacity, will provide himself with "executive immunity".

You didn't even watch the referenced documentary, did you? I reveled in it, just as I revel in ACLU's actions to return things to the U.S. Constitution. Being in denial, you seem to join countless Republicans in donning the blinders to truth. More, and possibly even WORSE atrocities could occur by electing almost ANY Republican to office again.

With utmost sincerity,

-Oki Alumni

Sincerity? What am I being set up for now?

Nixon, with all his failings didn't initiate the War in Southeast Asia; though he was instrumental in bringing it to a conclusion for the Americans. He began to establish a relationship with China so President Clinton could receive campaign contributions for technology exchanges that risk our national security. LBJ was a war criminal at least according to one Weasel pilot. And he spoke with conviction! A witness to the acts!

Are you suggesting that those who conspired against Nixon didn't have an agenda? Now who’s being naïve?

Oki are you another member of the “blame George Bush first and for everything” crowd. The economy? GB’s fault. The fuel prices? GB’s fault. It's raining and I want it to be sunny? GB’s fault.

And Oki I appreciate your willingness to corrupt little ol' me with this far leftist propaganda but I just cannot afford it! I would rather put the money towards a humanitarian cause then give it to Moveon.org that IMO frankly seems unable to move on!! It's not that I wouldn't try to watch it but I'm just not gonna pay for it. I tried the website but, if my recollection serves, they were charging 12.?? for the DVD (five for 10.00). Who would have thought a Socialist, Left leaning Marxist style Fascist organization would employ a capitalist principle to market their party line. Has Hell frozen over?

Cheers Oki

[P_chan]

And Oki I appreciate your willingness to corrupt little ol' me with this far leftist propaganda but I just cannot afford it! I would rather put the money towards a humanitarian cause then give it to Moveon.org that IMO frankly seems unable to move on!! It's not that I wouldn't try to watch it but I'm just not gonna pay for it. I tried the website but, if my recollection serves, they were charging 12.?? for the DVD (five for 10.00). Who would have thought a Socialist, Left leaning Marxist style Fascist organization would employ a capitalist principle to market their party line. Has Hell frozen over?

Whey are people so quick to dismiss something they don't agree with as leftist/rightist propoganda? Sure there the propoganda is out there on both sides, but people are too quick to accuse and dismiss something they dislike as "propoganda". On a side note, you do realise you are using this wonderful information network called "The Internet!". If this moveon.org place is chargeing to watch their video, just find the torrent and download it! That's the magic of the internet!

[danielwagner]

Whey are people so quick to dismiss something they don't agree with as leftist/rightist propoganda? Sure there the propoganda is out there on both sides, but people are too quick to accuse and dismiss something they dislike as "propoganda". On a side note, you do realise you are using this wonderful information network called "The Internet!". If this moveon.org place is chargeing to watch their video, just find the torrent and download it! That's the magic of the internet!

P-chan.

I’m not gifted enough to convey my sense of humor to these posting but most if not all of that name-calling was while wearing a mirth-filled smile and absent malicious intent. But, that being said, be assured that Moveon.org is not on my Christmas card list. I support the exercise of responsible free speech (popular and unpopular). I viewed the Moveon.org site as long as I could stand too.


As to the movie-I have an issue with any talking picture show that is touted as a documentary rather than an agenda driven movie. Documentary as a word is defined or at least comprised of factual, objective and documented subjects. I saw 911 in a stateside theater (the tickets were a freebie provided by some business or political group) and though I found certain parts heart-wrenching, humorous or shocking I found myself thinking it was predominately speculative, subjective and vague as to authoritative documentation. I thought it has an agenda and I wasn’t sure that agenda was in mine or my country’s best interest; other than demonstrating that a group of citizens (those involved in making/producing/distributing this movie) could, most brutally defame, insult and abuse the dignity and emotional psyche of public and private citizens, I saw little value in it. There were parts where one would weep for another’s loss only to realize their pain was used to promote another’s agenda that did not care one iota for that person suffering for their "art".

I believe “An Inconvenient Truth” is also a movie.

I believe Moveon.org is a machine powered up to serve the interests of people with un-American ideals and the (most likely) next president of the United States of America.

Why didn’t Obama visit the injured soldiers in Germany?

PS Torrent?-what the heck does rushing water have to do with anything we are discussing here?

[Asshat]

Why didn’t Obama visit the injured soldiers in Germany?

You have got to be kidding!!!!

Why did Bush lie about WMD and let them get injured?

[vvloc]

If this moveon.org place is chargeing to watch their video, just find the torrent and download it! That's the magic of the internet!

The only torrent daniel knows of, is the :barf: constantly spewing from his mouth.

[P_chan]

P-chan.

I’m not gifted enough to convey my sense of humor to these posting but most if not all of that name-calling was while wearing a mirth-filled smile and absent malicious intent. But, that being said, be assured that Moveon.org is not on my Christmas card list. I support the exercise of responsible free speech (popular and unpopular). I viewed the Moveon.org site as long as I could stand too.


As to the movie-I have an issue with any talking picture show that is touted as a documentary rather than an agenda driven movie. Documentary as a word is defined or at least comprised of factual, objective and documented subjects. I saw 911 in a stateside theater (the tickets were a freebie provided by some business or political group) and though I found certain parts heart-wrenching, humorous or shocking I found myself thinking it was predominately speculative, subjective and vague as to authoritative documentation. I thought it has an agenda and I wasn’t sure that agenda was in mine or my country’s best interest; other than demonstrating that a group of citizens (those involved in making/producing/distributing this movie) could, most brutally defame, insult and abuse the dignity and emotional psyche of public and private citizens, I saw little value in it. There were parts where one would weep for another’s loss only to realize their pain was used to promote another’s agenda that did not care one iota for that person suffering for their "art".

I believe “An Inconvenient Truth” is also a movie.

I believe Moveon.org is a machine powered up to serve the interests of people with un-American ideals and the (most likely) next president of the United States of America.

Why didn’t Obama visit the injured soldiers in Germany?

PS Torrent?-what the heck does rushing water have to do with anything we are discussing here?

But you didn't watch the video right? So how can you pass so many judgements on it without even seeing it? People have been profiting off of other's pain and suffering for a long time. It's nothing new, both sides do it! Oh and for the record, I'm talking about both sides here.

Also, please define "Un-American". I really HATE the way that label is thrown around. What because I don't think the government should be tapping my phone to stop terrorist I'm unamerican? When has disagreeing with the government made you unamerican? Actually, it's unamerican to NOT question the government!.

What's a torrent? Here, educate yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.torrent

[vvloc]

he was instrumental in bringing it to a conclusion for the Americans.

After being elected in the beleig that Nixon had a "secret plan" to end the war:

March 17, 1969 - President Nixon authorizes Operation Menu, the secret bombing of Cambodia by B-52s,
April 30, 1969 - U.S. troop levels peak at 543,400.

May 10 - May 20 A long period of decline in morale and discipline begins among American draftees serving in Vietnam involuntarily. Drug usage becomes rampant as nearly 50 percent experiment with marijuana, opium, or heroin which are easy to obtain on the streets of Saigon. U.S. military hospitals later become deluged with drug related cases as drug abuse causalities far outnumber causalities of war.

April 30, 1970 President Nixon stuns Americans by announcing U.S. and South Vietnamese incursion into Cambodia "

January 4, 1971 - President Nixon announces "the end is in sight."

January 30-April 6 - Operation Lam Son 719 . . . inside Laos . . .U.S. artillery and air strikes, along with American helicopter lifts

April 19, 1971 - 'Vietnam Veterans Against the War' begin a week of nationwide protests.

August 2, 1971 - The U.S. admits there are some 30,000 CIA-sponsored irregulars operating in Laos.

March 23, 1972 - The U.S. stages a boycott of the Paris peace talks as President Nixon accuses Hanoi of refusing to "negotiate seriously."

April 15, 1972 - Hanoi and Haiphong harbor are bombed by the U.S.
October 22, 1972 - Operation Linebacker I ends. U.S. warplanes flew 40,000 sorties and dropped over 125,000 tons of bombs

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1969.html

RESULT: During Nixon's reign 21,041 additional american deaths!

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/32897.html

Mo wonder it was a secret plan!!! and this is one of daniel's avowed heroes

[vvloc]

[QUOTE=P_chan;134175]What because I don't think the government should be tapping my phone to stop terrorist I'm unamerican? When has disagreeing with the government made you unamerican? Actually, it's unamerican to NOT question the government!.[QUOTE]

It is un-american to expose daniel's lies and half-truths.

[vvloc]

.I believe “An Inconvenient Truth” is also a movie.

Hint, hint - it IS a movie - a double Oscar winning documentary for that matter.

[vvloc]

The economy? GB’s fault. The fuel prices? GB’s fault.

The buck (not the u.s. buck) stops at the top. Who do YOU blame for the current state of affairs?

[danielwagner]

The buck (not the u.s. buck) stops at the top. Who do YOU blame for the current state of affairs?


Those who play a aprt not just the most convenient target! It's raining and I want it to be sunny. It's GB's fault!

[vvloc]

Foolish nonsense does NOT enhance your already tarnished image!

[danielwagner]

Why didn’t Obama visit the injured soldiers in Germany?

You have got to be kidding!!!!

Why did Bush lie about WMD and let them get injured?

just trying to keep it a little bit related to the thread topic. I know A-hat everything is GB's fault. Just curious are you OK with the soldiers representing the U.S. of A. fighting in other parts of the world? past and present? Or do you blame each Commander in Chief at the helm then too?

[vvloc]

just trying to keep it a little bit related to the thread topic. I know A-hat everything is GB's fault. Just curious are you OK with the soldiers representing the U.S. of A. fighting in other parts of the world? past and present? Or do you blame each Commander in Chief at the helm then too?

I blame everyone who has allowed this country to be involved in 50 military incursions in 50 years. The Nuremberg trials (maybe you've heard of them) established the principle that silence is complicity.

AND "Never Again" is not, nor ever was, the exclusive property of jews!

[vvloc]

It's raining and I want it to be sunny.

Buy, rent or lease an umbrella.

[vvloc]

AND, once again, gone with the wind!

You ain't from kansas, by any chance, are you?

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=10w_sEcHlGs

[P_chan]

Wow, last time I saw the wizard of Oz I think I was about 6 years old:thumbup:. Lollipop kids FTW!

just trying to keep it a little bit related to the thread topic. I know A-hat everything is GB's fault. Just curious are you OK with the soldiers representing the U.S. of A. fighting in other parts of the world? past and present? Or do you blame each Commander in Chief at the helm then too?

You insult asshat's, as well as everyone else, intelligence with that question.

[danielwagner]

Wow, last time I saw the wizard of Oz I think I was about 6 years old:thumbup:. Lollipop kids FTW!



You insult asshat's, as well as everyone else, intelligence with that question.

Why do liberals, in general not all obviously, have such a tiny sense of humour? Look I'm that unpopular (part of free speech) voice; here in this little piece of free cyberspace, that offers the mob a target.

It is American to speak one's mind. It is American to have a difference of opinion. It is American to attempt to intimidate those whose free speech subjects we loathe. But it is un-American to unlawfully execute a plan to silence that person from expressing his/her opinion.

If it weren’t for my differing view(s) you'd all be simply high-fiving each other for similar, homogenous posts. Since movies have been the topic here recently how about a small line from one of those silver screen offerings? "You want me on that wall, you NEED me on that wall." You do you know.

All the posters I've read in my limited run here have aptly if not eloquently expressed themselves. Me thinks that with intelligence comes understanding leading to forgiveness. So Mr. A-Hat and all others Mr. P-chan statement represents my humble apology for any injury that has befallen your psyche by exercising my right to free speech.

Why do Europeans love Sen. Obama to the degree they do? Is it because they want government to take care of them and see that reflection in his and his party’s platform? That misery loves company (that is true and contagious to boot) and when America finally falls it can meld right into the forms struck for it by the tyrants and elitists haters of the U.S.A.?

[danielwagner]

Buy, rent or lease an umbrella.


Maybe I want it sunny and raining, enjoying a leisurely walk in the weather. Just soaking up the liquid sunshine

[Bones]

Yawn. Bye, bye.:rolleyes:

[P_chan]

Why do liberals, in general not all obviously, have such a tiny sense of humour? Look I'm that unpopular (part of free speech) voice; here in this little piece of free cyberspace, that offers the mob a target.Why do you keep throwing the liberal label out there? You may be the unpopular voice here, but no one is denying you the right to free speech and to state you opinion. But once you state those opinions don't expect not to get some backlash. You're acting like a drama queen now.


If it weren’t for my differing view(s) you'd all be simply high-fiving each other for similar, homogenous posts.And what's wrong with giving a little "pat on the ass" once you agree with someone? Like I mentioned before, if the tables were turned you'd be doing the exact same thing. Or are you just trying to be a drama queen again?

All the posters I've read in my limited run here have aptly if not eloquently expressed themselves. Me thinks that with intelligence comes understanding leading to forgiveness. So Mr. A-Hat and all others Mr. P-chan statement represents my humble apology for any injury that has befallen your psyche by exercising my right to free speech.Yep........drama queen.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/SIGN/98268%7ECaution-Drama-Queen-Just-Ahead-Posters.jpg

Well this "elitist" is out. As bones said *yawn.

[Oki alumni]

Why do Europeans love Sen. Obama to the degree they do? Is it because they want government to take care of them and see that reflection in his and his party’s platform? That misery loves company (that is true and contagious to boot) and when America finally falls it can meld right into the forms struck for it by the tyrants and elitists haters of the U.S.A.?

I've not read nor seen this particular view espoused (other than as above). Do you have a source for those of like opinionated views? Can you name even ONE European who has uttered such nonsense? McCain't might agree with you, but even THAT is debatable.

-Oki Alumni:old:


Oh....and use your spell check software. Methinks "me thinks" is one word, otherwise it's just bad grammer as well as points-off for spelling. ;) :) Not trying to "be little" you!

[OtisPMerriweather]

Why do liberals, in general not all obviously, have such a tiny sense of humour?...If it weren’t for my differing view(s) you'd all be simply high-fiving each other for similar, homogenous posts.

Ahhh..so I get it. You don't actually believe the bullshit you say- you just say it because you are tryin to become the Japan Update Forum comic relief..kind of like a running gag.

If I look at it like that and go back and read this thread again...I GET IT. You're just trying to be funny. A joke! Verrry clever.

Look out Colbert!

[vvloc]

AND Daniel STILL refuses to adress the qyestion I posed in post #128:

"Do you know where you are, daniel - this board is clearly militarily dominant. Under certain circumstances, one would expect a decided leaning toward the repubs, but now we see that despite those of you who wish to convince us of the problems of an Obama presidency, it seems that an overwhelmingly majority of the board see McCain't as a disaster just waiting to happen.

What does that tell you?

Have we failed to become sufficiently edumacated?

Just what IS your agenda?"

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If it is homogeneity you seek, why not take your butterfly wings and flutter on to a San Francisco or NYC board and see how they treat your reactionary posts.

If you insist on being a mosquito, you just might see what kind of tough love (or if you'd prefer "compassionate conservatism") board members can deal out to didactic proselytizers who dispense only half-baked "thoughts or truly utter nonsense.

[tim duncan]

all politicians bend the truth......republican and democrat ...conservative and liberal...imho...it is just a political fact.

i actually think mcain will do a good job, but am tired of the republicans and especially bush, and all the lies he told us about iraq, saddam, weapons of mass destruction etc...

i'm voting for obama and the democrats...and will voice my opinion in my vote, where it really counts.

i am biased however because, obama is from hawaii and graduated from punahou high school....:)

[danielwagner]

Ahhh..so I get it. You don't actually believe the bullshit you say- you just say it because you are tryin to become the Japan Update Forum comic relief..kind of like a running gag.

If I look at it like that and go back and read this thread again...I GET IT. You're just trying to be funny. A joke! Verrry clever.

Look out Colbert!

Thank you your Honor. I enjoy reading your post because it is typically direct, no mincing words and as I see it just in your face logic tempered perhaps by life experience. Anyhow that's how you come across. And I dig the name and title!

Yea, I "try" to be funny. I know, don’t quit your day job. When I'm casting about "labels" or "calling" somebody, a group or an organization a “name” I am almost always being insincere about that. Everybody has their right to an opinion-though my very close friends’ vvloc and Oki-Alumni sometimes, OK most of the time, associate a certain part of the human anatomy that uses tissue paper (hint it ain't the nose) with some of mine, OK maybe most of my opinions. But if they didn’t truly deep down, depth of the soul care they wouldn’t rebuke, tough love-yeah that’s what it is. No doubt they'll be social workers on retirement

That being said I have a deep and abiding respect for those who wear the uniform and not because of any particular opinion they might hold or whether they agree with my vision of how things should be, but rather it’s because they SHOW UP when they’re called regardless if it fits their personal agenda or meets with their approval. This dedication is deserving of continued prudent leadership both in the civilian as well as the military experience. (The above paragraph is serious the next sentence 75/25). And Obama ain't it (had to reference Obama to keep this post somewhat relevant with the thread's theme).

I remember only one thing about a book (Report from Engine Company 82) I read as a kid. It happened in NYC in the late Sixties or early Seventies and involved the life experience of the men of Engine Company 82 (FDNY the Bronx). This engine company responded to a street box alarm (old style street corner pull station very few cities in America still have these). They show up and find three little sisters, standing by the pull station, the oldest girl shares their problem and the firemen help to resolve it. After everything was said and done the oldest of the three little girls was asked why she pulled the alarm when there was no fire. She said, to the best of my recollection something along the line of, “My mother said, taxis will never come to our neighborhood, the police department might show up but if you ever have a problem and need help go pull the fire alarm at the corner because the firemen always show up.”

The world of politics is a tough nut I just hope we don’t have to start a thread publicizing Hiz Honors latest gaffe. See ya later Mayor.

[vvloc]

I remember only one thing about a book (Report from Engine Company 82) I read as a kid. It happened in NYC in the late Sixties or early Seventies and involved the life experience of the men of Engine Company 82 (FDNY the Bronx). This engine company responded to a street box alarm (old style street corner pull station very few cities in America still have these). They show up and find three little sisters, standing by the pull station, the oldest girl shares their problem and the firemen help to resolve it. After everything was said and done the oldest of the three little girls was asked why she pulled the alarm when there was no fire. She said, to the best of my recollection something along the line of, “My mother said, taxis will never come to our neighborhood, the police department might show up but if you ever have a problem and need help go pull the fire alarm at the corner because the firemen always show up.”

I just KNEW that you and a frieddawg had a deep and abiding connection - could smell it a mile away. Dang, I just don't know how it was that when I was praising your gentlemanliness, AH already knew that something here wasn't kosher.

Kudos to you, AH!

PS The rest of your essay is so poorly written and barely comprehensible, which is why I chose not to comment on it.

[Asshat]

just trying to keep it a little bit related to the thread topic. I know A-hat everything is GB's fault. Just curious are you OK with the soldiers representing the U.S. of A. fighting in other parts of the world? past and present? Or do you blame each Commander in Chief at the helm then too?

Had trouble answering the question did you?

I'll answer yours:

WWII: President Roosevelt. Roosevelt's public efforts (http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-2/ww2.htm)to involve America, while ostensibly remaining neutral, started in August, 1940, when the National Guard was voted into Federal service for one year.

Korean Police Action: Dean Acheson. Unfortunately, in an address (http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1629.html)to the National Press Club on January 12, 1950, US Secretary of State Dean Acheson described the boundaries of U.S. interests in a manner that made support for Korea appear ambiguous.

Vietnam: John Foster Dulles. The Southeast Asia Treaty (http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1888.html)Organization (SEATO), whose principal architect was Secretary Dulles, was originated from that defense treaty in an effort to stem further communist takeovers of countries in the Pacific region and to legitimize the United States' presence in South Vietnam.

Are you okay as a Christian killing people for crooked politicians?

[danielwagner]

AND Daniel STILL refuses to adress the qyestion I posed in post #128:

"Do you know where you are, daniel - this board is clearly militarily dominant. Under certain circumstances, one would expect a decided leaning toward the repubs, but now we see that despite those of you who wish to convince us of the problems of an Obama presidency, it seems that an overwhelmingly majority of the board see McCain't as a disaster just waiting to happen.

What does that tell you?

Have we failed to become sufficiently edumacated?

Just what IS your agenda?"

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If it is homogeneity you seek, why not take your butterfly wings and flutter on to a San Francisco or NYC board and see how they treat your reactionary posts.

If you insist on being a mosquito, you just might see what kind of tough love (or if you'd prefer "compassionate conservatism") board members can deal out to didactic proselytizers who dispense only half-baked "thoughts or truly utter nonsense.

Well vvloc, yet again we meet upon “the board” and yet again you attempt to take the superior role! Are you always in the super ego? Did you ever check in with your ego, you know-reality-just to see how it was doing? Do you two even know each other? Do you make the family salute you? But hey! If you start poking around in vvloc’s psyche stay the heck out of the ID because you’re scary enough with your present political mindset and elitist demeanor!!!!!

What one question of the four I saw above does vvloc wished answered? Hmmmm? Shall I follow the Golden Rule and take the liberty to answer all that I with my small mush-filled mind can recognize?

Do you know where you are? Sorry, Need to Know and all that ol' chap and you don't!

What does that tell you? You must be psychic! Could you whip up some lottery numbers? Winners if you please. Just kidding,,,about that Mayan calendar, do you see anything past 2012?

Have we failed to become...blah, blah, blah? This one was rhetorical right?

The agenda?

It always comes down to this doesn't it? I can’t be seen as just another human being, one of God’s creatures, a lesser creature true, but still formed in His image. You do realize that God has a sense of humor don’t you? Why, just look in the mirror…but I digress. What's your motivation? Who's behind the mask? What stirs in the depths of the soul? Well my friend from across the aisle, I’m tempted to say again need to…but oddly I feel comfortable in sharing this. It is intricate, it is complicated, it is concise and enumerated (had to take my shoes off to keep the order straight). Whoa Nellie, what’s happening here? Demand my agenda will you?! Talk about Obama and audacity! My goodness you are truly a practiced manipulator. Almost had me pouring out my soul, you are truly exceptional! What mastery of mind control (psyops? maybe). I’ll bet your wife DOUBLE starches your skivvies just so you can break ‘em down throughout the day.

How dare you sir! You threaten to bring down the forum board’s army of darkness and no doubt reinforced by the minions of Move on dot org on a poor helpless insignificant butterfly...no mosquito I think. Wait a minute…has vvloc fallen prey to a subconscious Freudian slip? Let’s see Butterfly-seemingly innocuous, attractive sort in a flighty sort of way, alluring, flittering-always changing directions. Mosquito-bloodsucker, parasite, feasting on the life force of others, spreading unhealthy matter. Eureka!!! O poop it’s Obama! Well sir you have cut me to the quick with that revelation!

PS I really do enjoy the tough love vocabulary you use. You'll make a wonderful corrections officer some day. Gotta go, cheers.

[danielwagner]

A-Hat's question;

Are you okay as a Christian killing people for crooked politicians?[/QUOTE]

Seriously, in a word no, rendering unto Caesar that which is (lawfully) Caesar’s because he has been appointed over you, yes.

[Asshat]

A-Hat's question;

Are you okay as a Christian killing people for crooked politicians?

Seriously, in a word no, rendering unto Caesar that which is (lawfully) Caesar’s because he has been appointed over you, yes.[/QUOTE]

I am fairly certain that this archaic phrase has to do with taxation, not murder.

Caesar was not "appointed" he was "elected" to represent you. Does he? Do you unflinchingly kill who Caesar tells you to, though you await the reason "why?"

[vvloc]

Well vvloc, yet again we meet upon “the board” and yet again you attempt to take the superior role! Are you always in the super ego? Did you ever check in with your ego, you know-reality-just to see how it was doing? Do you two even know each other? Do you make the family salute you? But hey! If you start poking around in vvloc’s psyche stay the heck out of the ID because you’re scary enough with your present political mindset and elitist demeanor!!!!!

What one question of the four I saw above does vvloc wished answered? Hmmmm? Shall I follow the Golden Rule and take the liberty to answer all that I with my small mush-filled mind can recognize?

Do you know where you are? Sorry, Need to Know and all that ol' chap and you don't!

What does that tell you? You must be psychic! Could you whip up some lottery numbers? Winners if you please. Just kidding,,,about that Mayan calendar, do you see anything past 2012?

Have we failed to become...blah, blah, blah? This one was rhetorical right?

The agenda?

It always comes down to this doesn't it? I can’t be seen as just another human being, one of God’s creatures, a lesser creature true, but still formed in His image. You do realize that God has a sense of humor don’t you? Why, just look in the mirror…but I digress. What's your motivation? Who's behind the mask? What stirs in the depths of the soul? Well my friend from across the aisle, I’m tempted to say again need to…but oddly I feel comfortable in sharing this. It is intricate, it is complicated, it is concise and enumerated (had to take my shoes off to keep the order straight). Whoa Nellie, what’s happening here? Demand my agenda will you?! Talk about Obama and audacity! My goodness you are truly a practiced manipulator. Almost had me pouring out my soul, you are truly exceptional! What mastery of mind control (psyops? maybe). I’ll bet your wife DOUBLE starches your skivvies just so you can break ‘em down throughout the day.

How dare you sir! You threaten to bring down the forum board’s army of darkness and no doubt reinforced by the minions of Move on dot org on a poor helpless insignificant butterfly...no mosquito I think. Wait a minute…has vvloc fallen prey to a subconscious Freudian slip? Let’s see Butterfly-seemingly innocuous, attractive sort in a flighty sort of way, alluring, flittering-always changing directions. Mosquito-bloodsucker, parasite, feasting on the life force of others, spreading unhealthy matter. Eureka!!! O poop it’s Obama! Well sir you have cut me to the quick with that revelation!

PS I really do enjoy the tough love vocabulary you use. You'll make a wonderful corrections officer some day. Gotta go, cheers.

post deleted - not worth responding to such tripe.

[Oki alumni]

Well vvloc, yet again we meet upon “the board” and yet again you attempt to take the superior role! Are you always in the super ego? Did you ever check in with your ego, you know-reality-just to see how it was doing? (other useless drivel removed to quell my nausea)

Dan'l, you constantly grab at straws don't ya? It's been said: "If a man calls you a horse, he's probably a total fool. It TWO people call you a horse, they're probably mentally deficient. If THREE or more people call you a horse, you'd better HOPE it's mass delusion, otherwise, it's time to go saddle shopping."

While I RESPECT your right to have a minority opinion, what you've posted has, for the most part been VERY lame, and consistently avoids direct answers to questions (a FAVOURITE Republican ploy!). Apparently your masters have taught you very well. Those with free will AND intelligence, see what IS happening, and have absolutely NO desire for a repeat performance. The Republican Party has dicked around with the government for far too long, and the only success they have shown is in unparalleled dishonesty and and utter disregard for those who elected them. HOW MANY TIMES are you going to have to get kicked in the arse before you come to realize that it's your masters (the Republicans) with the foot in the boot?

After President Obama is in office, you can probably still find the same kind of oppression and abuses occurring in some small banana republic with a dictator in charge. Probably some with climates (weather-wise, and OTHER-wise) MORE to your liking.

You're like a battered spouse. You KNOW he or she is beating the hell out of you and ruining YOUR life, but you'll defend 'em to the death! I none-the-less feel deep pity and sympathy for you. Just be careful and try not to run into any more doors...those black eyes are starting to become permanent.

FWIW, I've HAD over 40 years in, with and for DoD in one form or another, and feel "sorta qualified" to judge petty bureaucrats, dictators and other forms of tyrants.


-Oki Alumni:old:

[vvloc]

Speaking of Caeser:

Florida rigged for bush
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=FJopOtIa5Xo

They couldn't repeat Fla. so they picked Ohio
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=vJWb2EbVpc0

Diebold CEO promises to deliver Ohio to bush
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=yA_i-Vmfnvk

[Asshat]

FWIW, I've HAD over 40 years in, with and for DoD in one form or another, and feel "sorta qualified" to judge petty bureaucrats, dictators and other forms of tyrants.

LMFAO!!!! I've just past 30 years of DoD love, and am now a Petty Bureaucrat!

Yer damn right, I can spot another one!

I like the beaten spouse analogy....or how about the Vegas gambler who keeps betting the pot on a slow table?

[Oki alumni]

LMFAO!!!! I've just past 30 years of DoD love, and am now a Petty Bureaucrat!

Yer damn right, I can spot another one!

I like the beaten spouse analogy....or how about the Vegas gambler who keeps betting the pot on a slow table?

LOL, damn right Asshat! And we all KNOW that the wheels CAN'T be fixed in the house's favour, now don't we? Just as we all (even us lambs) know there's no such thing as card counting....(I could just NEVER master that art). LOL, maybe that's why I don't play card games anymore than I do.

Sure...it's ONLY penny-ante....SURE we're ALL long-time good friends...but I think I'll cut the deck anyway.

-Oki Alumni:old:

[Asshat]

LOL, damn right Asshat! And we all KNOW that the wheels CAN'T be fixed in the house's favour, now don't we? Just as we all (even us lambs) know there's no such thing as card counting....(I could just NEVER master that art). LOL, maybe that's why I don't play card games anymore than I do.

Sure...it's ONLY penny-ante....SURE we're ALL long-time good friends...but I think I'll cut the deck anyway.

-Oki Alumni:old:

We cut the deck to no avail. Someone gets paid to manufacture the voting machines! :)

[Oki alumni]

We cut the deck to no avail. Someone gets paid to manufacture the voting machines! :)

GWB is not a crook even as Richard Milhouse Nixon wasn't! I'll DEFINITELY stand by that statement. He DID NOT fix the elections, just like Clinton "DID NOT have sex with that woman!!!"

Speaking of elections...how MANY of you guys and gals are registered to vote in the November election? I've voted absentee ballot in elections for the past 43 years, and this year will most DEFINITELY be NO exception.

-Oki Alumni:old:

[vvloc]

We cut the deck to no avail. Someone gets paid to manufacture the voting machines! :)

From an earlier post in the The N word... Why do some people think they can tell blacks they cant use it...

The background of the director of Diebold, the "premier" electronic ballot counting machine maker, also, makes "interesting" reading:

In August 2003, Walden O'Dell, then the chief executive of Diebold, announced that he had been a top fund-raiser for President George W. Bush and had sent a get-out-the-funds letter to 100 wealthy and politically inclined friends in the Republican Party, to be held at his home in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold

[Asshat]

GWB is not a crook even as Richard Milhouse Nixon wasn't! I'll DEFINITELY stand by that statement. He DID NOT fix the elections, just like Clinton "DID NOT have sex with that woman!!!"

Speaking of elections...how MANY of you guys and gals are registered to vote in the November election? I've voted absentee ballot in elections for the past 43 years, and this year will most DEFINITELY be NO exception.

-Oki Alumni:old:

As I recall, the disputed ballots in Florida were primarily absentee ballots.

[vvloc]

As I recall, the disputed ballots in Florida were primarily absentee ballots.

and a phony list of felons (primarily black) created by State Attorney General Katherine Harris (rep.), who just coincidentally was the chairman of the bush for prez committee.

[danielwagner]

As I recall, the disputed ballots in Florida were primarily absentee ballots.

Just checked some old data and it still appears (via CBS) the President won the electoral votes for the State of Florida.

Are you suggesting something other than the Electoral College (EC) for choosing the President and Vice President? I'd caution against that. The EC is the best system available at this time. Don't forget our form of government is a republic voicing the peoples will and concern through a democratic apparatus. That being said each representative casting his/her vote should follow their conscience, guided by the Constitution and sound moral law.

I see this election in Florida as an example of how things are properly done-by and through the rule of law.

Final certified vote for the state of Florida (25 electoral votes)
Presidential Candidate Vote Total % Party
George W. Bush (W) 2,912,790 48.850 Republican
Al Gore 2,912,253 48.841 Democratic
Ralph Nader 97,421 1.633 Green
Patrick J.Buchanan 17,412 0.292 Reform
Harry Browne 16,102 0.270 Libertarian
John Hagelin 2,274 0.038 Natural Law/Reform
Howard Phillips 1,378 0.023 Constitution
Other 3,027 0.051 —
Total 5,962,657

Source: CBS News State Results for Election 2000

[vvloc]

Just checked some old data and it still appears (via CBS) the President won the electoral votes for the State of Florida.

Are you suggesting something other than the Electoral College (EC) for choosing the President and Vice President? I'd caution against that. The EC is the best system available at this time. Don't forget our form of government is a republic voicing the peoples will and concern through a democratic apparatus. That being said each representative casting his/her vote should follow their conscience, guided by the Constitution and sound moral law.

I see this election in Florida as an example of how things are properly done-by and through the rule of law.

Final certified vote for the state of Florida (25 electoral votes)
Presidential Candidate Vote Total % Party
George W. Bush (W) 2,912,790 48.850 Republican
Al Gore 2,912,253 48.841 Democratic
Ralph Nader 97,421 1.633 Green
Patrick J.Buchanan 17,412 0.292 Reform
Harry Browne 16,102 0.270 Libertarian
John Hagelin 2,274 0.038 Natural Law/Reform
Howard Phillips 1,378 0.023 Constitution
Other 3,027 0.051 —
Total 5,962,657

Source: CBS News State Results for Election 2000

It's not that hard to win the electoral college vote if you don't count all the ballots, dannyboy, my myopic adversary:

Florida's Gadsden County has the highest percentage of black voters in the state -- and the highest spoilage rate. One in 8 votes cast there in 2000 was never counted. Many voters wrote in "Al Gore." Optical reading machines rejected these because "Al" is a
"stray mark."

By contrast, in neighboring Tallahassee, the capital, vote spoilage was nearly zip; every vote counted. The difference? In Tallahassee's white-majority county, voters placed their ballots directly into optical scanners. If they added a stray mark, they received another ballot with instructions to correct it.

In other words, in the white county, make a mistake and get another ballot; in the black county, make a mistake, your ballot is tossed.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0621-11.htm





Election Rigged for Bush







http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=FJopOtIa5Xo

[danielwagner]

Seriously, in a word no, rendering unto Caesar that which is (lawfully) Caesar’s because he has been appointed over you, yes.

I am fairly certain that this archaic phrase has to do with taxation, not murder.

Caesar was not "appointed" he was "elected" to represent you. Does he? Do you unflinchingly kill who Caesar tells you to, though you await the reason "why?"[/QUOTE]

My take is that it teaches that there are people appointed over even you A-Hat. If you believe in a Divine Will, that is. By One greater than those you would elevate to messiah status. Don’t you report to any one, OK besides Mrs. A–Hat (by the way that makes my point), or are you the one man show, the island, independent and untouchable? There is a HUGE difference between killing and murder wouldn’t you agree?

[danielwagner]

It's not that hard to win the electoral college vote if you don&t count all the ballots, dannyboy, my myopic adversary:


The EC can choose regardless of the popular vote. I think your beef is with the people who comprised the EC. Gotta go my ten minutes are up. Good to hear from you by the way!

[vvloc]

When you return, tail tucked between your legs, maybe you can explain how the u.s. supreme court has the jurisdiction to overturn the Florida Court mandating a recount. You are for states' rights, aren't you?

[Oki alumni]

Just checked some old data and it still appears (via CBS) the President won the electoral votes for the State of Florida.

Are you suggesting something other than the Electoral College (EC) for choosing the President and Vice President? I'd caution against that. The EC is the best system available at this time. Don't forget our form of government is a republic voicing the peoples will and concern through a democratic apparatus. That being said each representative casting his/her vote should follow their conscience, guided by the Constitution and sound moral law.

I see this election in Florida as an example of how things are properly done-by and through the rule of law.

Final certified vote for the state of Florida (25 electoral votes)
Presidential Candidate Vote Total % Party
George W. Bush (W) 2,912,790 48.850 Republican
Al Gore 2,912,253 48.841 Democratic
Ralph Nader 97,421 1.633 Green
Patrick J.Buchanan 17,412 0.292 Reform
Harry Browne 16,102 0.270 Libertarian
John Hagelin 2,274 0.038 Natural Law/Reform
Howard Phillips 1,378 0.023 Constitution
Other 3,027 0.051 —
Total 5,962,657

Source: CBS News State Results for Election 2000

Yup Daniel, and the moon really IS made of green cheese, and keep your faith in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny too. We all KNOW everyone else is sadly mistaken and informed, don't we?

For your "amusement" though, may I recommend
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=8gcJOhCHWRQ
and
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=7WmC4grXdIk

The electorial college made sense...about 100 years ago, when counting the popular vote would have been almost impossible. Representatives from each state casting a vote for their constituency worked in it's own clumsy way, with no REAL legislation saying the EC folks HAD to vote the same as their constituents. Today is a different story. Even WITHOUT electronic processing, the popular votes for a candidate could be counted, and the people's REAL "will" put into action. Would eliminate an admittedly partisan Supreme Court from forcing an election, wouldn't it?

The final votes for Florida (2000) were NEVER truly certified, nor were the ones from Ohio (2004). Recounts were stopped by those in power in the respective states...hmmmm...they wouldn't have been Republicans now would they? Nahhhhhh...NO WAY!

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...any "knowledge" about mistaken ideas is CATASTROPHIC!

-Oki Alumni:old:

[DougP]

Let's see if I can put this in more contemporary terms.

EC = Epic Fail

[Asshat]

My take is that it teaches that there are people appointed over even you A-Hat. If you believe in a Divine Will, that is. By One greater than those you would elevate to messiah status. Don’t you report to any one, OK besides Mrs. A–Hat (by the way that makes my point), or are you the one man show, the island, independent and untouchable? There is a HUGE difference between killing and murder wouldn’t you agree?

Seriously, have you ever served your country? If so, you must have missed the class on "lawful order."

I definitely don't elevate ANYONE to Messiah status...or to that status by which they feel they have the right to determine the taking of a life.

If you are low enough to believe a mere mortal has that authority, or that Jesus would even inspire such an act, you have a lack of moral values that I want no part of.

Until my life, or that of my family is threatened, I will not take a life. Machoism for Jesus. :barf: You are on the ropes with just about every post you make, and have done nothing to convince me or anyone else here that you lead the right path. That should be obvious to you.

[vvloc]

Who made the first call on television as to won the 2000 election?

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=vJIGQyF2Yjo&feature=related

[Oki alumni]

Let's see if I can put this in more contemporary terms.

EC = Epic Fail

You DO have a way with words my friend, that boils things down to the essence of the fact. Well put!!!


-Oki Alumni:old:

[vvloc]

Who made the first call on television as to won the 2000 election?

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=vJIGQyF2Yjo&feature=related

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=VPOmOTyDm1w

[danielwagner]

Yup Daniel, and the moon really IS made of green cheese, and keep your faith in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny too. We all KNOW everyone else is sadly mistaken and informed, don't we?

For your "amusement" though, may I recommend
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=8gcJOhCHWRQ
and
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=7WmC4grXdIk

The electorial college made sense...about 100 years ago, when counting the popular vote would have been almost impossible. Representatives from each state casting a vote for their constituency worked in it's own clumsy way, with no REAL legislation saying the EC folks HAD to vote the same as their constituents. Today is a different story. Even WITHOUT electronic processing, the popular votes for a candidate could be counted, and the people's REAL "will" put into action. Would eliminate an admittedly partisan Supreme Court from forcing an election, wouldn't it?

The final votes for Florida (2000) were NEVER truly certified, nor were the ones from Ohio (2004). Recounts were stopped by those in power in the respective states...hmmmm...they wouldn't have been Republicans now would they? Nahhhhhh...NO WAY!

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...any "knowledge" about mistaken ideas is CATASTROPHIC!

-Oki Alumni:old:




You, Oki-Alumni care so little for history yet cite reams of cyberspace gospel to support your little piece of socialist Americana? Part of the "perception" problem with Darwinism is that it ignores history unlike Creationism. With Evolution there is no history just random accidents that end in today.

Does history mean so little that you would discard our Constitution and rule of law? The EC keeps all, at present fifty (unlike Sen. Obama's fifty-seven) states, involved in this federal election. Take away the EC and the candidates for Chief Executive of the U.S. of A. would only have to stroke, lie and deceive only the most populous states for a majority of the EC votes. It would be foolish to discard the wisdom and history of the founders of the greatest country on God's green (and blue) earth.

Why do Elitists want to scrap everything and just make it up to fit the moment? Is it because their beliefs have no connection with history’s struggles and moral continuity? Is it situational ethics to an end? Perhaps you are keeping good comapny? I see your candidate, Sen. Obama, in this light too.

[danielwagner]

When you return, tail tucked between your legs, maybe you can explain how the u.s. supreme court has the jurisdiction to overturn the Florida Court mandating a recount. You are for states' rights, aren't you?

Yup! Our most recent history (eighty or so years-estimate) is replete with examples of (specific) justices (and legislators) not following the Constitution. They make it up as they go along. Again when history or Natural Law takes a back seat or is outright ignored you find an "evolved" decision (a real feel good elitist moment) slapping you down.

As to your question I suspect you would not find my answer satisfactory so I humbly suggest you research this (Federal Supreme Court) question on your own-well really because my time is severely limited to surfing the web. Cheers vvloc!

[vvloc]

As to your question I suspect you would not find my answer satisfactory

Direct from the republican playbook, difficult questions, evade them and rely on charges of elitism:

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=oens8Tr1e5k

Same old crap brought to you by danielwagner the traveling (eternally busy) evangelist.

[vvloc]

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=R5GeywBHJsw

[Oki alumni]

You, Oki-Alumni care so little for history yet cite reams of cyberspace gospel to support your little piece of socialist Americana? Part of the "perception" problem with Darwinism is that it ignores history unlike Creationism. With Evolution there is no history just random accidents that end in today.

You ASSUME so many things Daniel...typical of the neocon mentality. I "care so little for history"??? A TOTALLY unsupported allegation! "your little piece of socialist Americana?" ANOTHER TOTALLY unsupported allegation. You THEN continue to try to side step the issue with the introduction of "Darwinism", which has NOT been introduced into this forum at all! Stick to the issues. Your protestations sound much akin to a crying male child going for his first haircut. You KNOW it's completely unavoidable, and on some childish level, even comprehend the need, but you nevertheless continue to bawl and whimper over the lost cause.

Does history mean so little that you would discard our Constitution and rule of law? The EC keeps all, at present fifty (unlike Sen. Obama's fifty-seven) states, involved in this federal election. Take away the EC and the candidates for Chief Executive of the U.S. of A. would only have to stroke, lie and deceive only the most populous states for a majority of the EC votes. It would be foolish to discard the wisdom and history of the founders of the greatest country on God's green (and blue) earth.

Nope, I, unlike the Republicans who ALREADY discard our "Constitution and rule of law." (see earlier postings re Bush's "damn piece of paper" comment), would see that laws are changed in a legal way. Does the word "Amendment" have no meaning for you? Elections NOW are decided by the sway of a select group of people...aka Electorates, so your general population arguments make no sense whatsoever. Would you have the U.S. Constitution remain static? Maybe even repeal all the amendments (including the Bill of Rights), so that the wisdom and history of the founders aren't discarded? A political party and/or a president who already choose to ignore history deserve NO respect.

Why do Elitists want to scrap everything and just make it up to fit the moment? Is it because their beliefs have no connection with history’s struggles and moral continuity? Is it situational ethics to an end? Perhaps you are keeping good comapny? I see your candidate, Sen. Obama, in this light too.

MORE typical Republican tactics, eh Daniel? Are you trying to say that Democrats are "Elitists"? Look in the mirror, Sir! Then...look at the actions of the current commander-in-chief, and HIS lackey's for an outstanding definition of "Elitists"! Are you so deep into denial that YOUR beliefs have no connection with history's struggles and moral continuity, that you're trying to paint others with the same brush? I totally enjoy being on the team that is representing the truth...the Democratic team. How are your seat-mates on the McCain't Express? I see YOUR candidate in the light of the current administrations PAST and continuing roles of usurpers of the freedoms of the people, and the gutting of the U.S. Constitution. You, Daniel are known by the company you keep. Lie with dogs.....expect to get fleas.

-Oki Alumni:old:

[vvloc]

Lie with dogs.....expect to get fleas.

Did you mean "lie" as in lay down (with dawgs) or did you mean "lie" as in continuously disseminating false information?

[P_chan]

Moral continuity? I'm fairly certian that everyone has a different set of morals. So what makes your morals the only correct morals? Just because someone's morals are different than your own does that mean they lack moral continuity? Or are you just talking about your ass again?

You can't live in the past you know? You always have to change your "situational" ethics. What is morally ok in one generation might not be morally ok later in time. Otherwise we would still have horrible things like segragation going on.

[Oki alumni]

Did you mean "lie" as in lay down (with dawgs) or did you mean "lie" as in continuously disseminating false information?

You got it...I was PURPOSEFULLY ambiguous with the use of the words' dual-meaning, since it fits so well in EITHER case.
:grin1:

-Oki Alumni:old:

[vvloc]

Moral continuity? I'm fairly certian that everyone has a different set of morals. So what makes your morals the only correct morals? Just because someone's morals are different than your own does that mean they lack moral continuity?

In duh has been MIA/AWOL for a while - could daniel be he?

[vvloc]

It is dangerous to be right, when the government is wrong.

— VOLTAIRE--

All truth passes through three stages.

First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

— ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)

[DougP]

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

Smedley D. Butler

The constitutional right of free speech has been declared to be the same in peace and war. In peace, too, men may differ widely as to what loyalty to our country demands, and an intolerant majority, swayed by passion or by fear, may be prone in the future, as it has been in the past, to stamp as disloyal opinions with which it disagrees.

Justice Louis Brandeis

Men in authority will always think that criticism of their policies is dangerous. They will always equate their policies with patriotism, and find criticism subversive.

Henry Commager

[The Joker]

Don’t know about you but I’m for the newest energy crisis answer Mr. Citizen of the World-Mr. B.H. “Good Wrench” Obama has recently discovered! A Tire Gauge! Yes ladies and gentlemen there it is! I typically employ this tool about once a week but will now use it every time I’m near an air pump! I think Obama has just cinched the November Election!!!!!

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

You mean this latest McCain gaffe (after he offered his wife to be entered in a topless biker beauty pageant just the other day)?

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday taunted Republican candidate John McCain for agreeing on the importance of keeping tires inflated as an energy-conservation measure after having joined the GOP in mocking the idea.

"It will be interesting to watch this debate between John McCain and John McCain," Obama said as he campaigned in Indiana with Sen. Evan Bayh, widely considered a top-tier candidate for running mate.

When asked about the air-pressure issue during an appearance Tuesday night, McCain said: "I agree with the American Automobile Association. We should all inflate our tires." Obama had noted that keeping tires inflated and cars tuned was endorsed by both NASCAR and AAA and should be part of any comprehensive plan to reduce reliance on imported oil.

However, McCain had spent recent days ridiculing Obama's remarks about tire pressure, telling a motorcycle rally in Sturgis, S.D.: "My opponent doesn't want to drill, he doesn't want nuclear power, he wants you to inflate your tires." The Republican National Committee, meanwhile, poked fun at the idea, sending reporters tire gauges with "Obama Energy Plan" emblazoned on the side.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_el_pr/obama

[Oki alumni]

Don’t know about you but I’m for the newest energy crisis answer Mr. Citizen of the World-Mr. B.H. “Good Wrench” Obama has recently discovered! A Tire Gauge! Yes ladies and gentlemen there it is! I typically employ this tool about once a week but will now use it every time I’m near an air pump! I think Obama has just cinched the November Election!!!!!




http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_el_pr/obama[/QUOTE]

Not to worry Joker! We'll just up the dose of Thorazine for ya!: Common sense...ever try it? You MAY actually ENJOY it!!! Do you even KNOW one end of a tire gauge from the other? Does ANY re-pub-lick-can? Who ever heard of a "good piece of Elephant?" :grin1:

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-deployed-abroad-give-61.html


-Oki Alumni:old:

[The Joker]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_el_pr/obama

Not to worry Joker! We'll just up the dose of Thorazine for ya!: Common sense...ever try it? You MAY actually ENJOY it!!! Do you even KNOW one end of a tire gauge from the other? Does ANY re-pub-lick-can? Who ever heard of a "good piece of Elephant?" :grin1:

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-deployed-abroad-give-61.html


-Oki Alumni:old:[/QUOTE]

I found your comment to be sarcastic, patronizing, and demeaning-I liked it. But Thorazine is truly so old school. Most responsible motorist already know this and tune-ups are a common sense even an efficient approach to motor vehicle operation and performance-oh my! Maybe it is just another revelation for the Obama-nites. As to being common sense I agree, how come Obama is figurin' we ain't got none?

[Oki alumni]

Not to worry Joker! We'll just up the dose of Thorazine for ya!: Common sense...ever try it? You MAY actually ENJOY it!!! Do you even KNOW one end of a tire gauge from the other? Does ANY re-pub-lick-can? Who ever heard of a "good piece of Elephant?" :grin1:

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-deployed-abroad-give-61.html


-Oki Alumni:old:

I found your comment to be sarcastic, patronizing, and demeaning-I liked it. But Thorazine is truly so old school. Most responsible motorist already know this and tune-ups are a common sense even an efficient approach to motor vehicle operation and performance-oh my! Maybe it is just another revelation for the Obama-nites. As to being common sense I agree, how come Obama is figurin' we ain't got none?

:thumbdown: You're right of course...it WAS sarcastic, but ya gotta admit it was a bit "tit for tat", in view of your remarks (not meant personally I'm sure...just a general smear).

It will be NOTED that the Republicans made much to do about something that is SO obvious, that it's absolutely comical. C'mon now...tire gauges? How original. Ask around your OWN community...see how many people actually HAVE those tune-ups...check spark plugs, change oil, change filters, check tire pressure, etc., etc., etc. I'd bet you'd be hard pressed to find 1 in 20 Joe/Jane Average Drivers who do this.

Maybe the Democrats should have sent out free samples of "SSS®" tonic or "Geritol®" to the supporters of the Republican party!

McCain't never has, and never will have an original idea. You'd doom our country to a repeat of the last eight years of disaster and dictatorship?

Open up previously closed areas for oil drilling? There is absolutely NO guarantee that any discovery (even the unlikely major discovery) of oil would go to alleviate the oil shortage in the USA...possibly as early as TEN YEARS down the road. Nope, the producers of this oil WILL sell to the HIGHEST bidder, which.....guess what??? Even if it SHOULD be the USA, the result would only be HIGHER oil prices!!!:thumbdown: Sadly, even Obama has bought into this "partial solution", but hopefully he'll back out of it.:thumbup1:

I do, most SINCERELY, hope that YOU are registered to vote and WILL vote! If not, your rhetoric means as much as your vote won't.:ohmy:

-Oki Alumni:old: (If "old school Thorazine" still works, what's the problem???, hahaha!)

[Bones]

As posted by "The Joker":

As to being common sense I agree, how come Obama is figurin' we ain't got none?

Because we don't have any common sense, in the the way that "Obama" sees it.

And you'll be hard pressed to convince me that he is wrong.

As far as the expenditures of military people contributing to Obama, as compared to those of McCain. We have a lot of overworked people within the theaters of operation. They feel that they need a rest, and they are certainly entitled to it.

The way to offer them some relief, is for fellow service members to step up to the plate, and offer to take their place over there. They won't do that. Why go into combat, when it is is much easier to complain about the battles being fought from your living room?

I can't go to war because "AAFES" has a sale going on.:rolleyes:

It's one of the first questions that I raised during "Desert Shield". Why is AAfes here, when all we need is water, and MRE's?

It's to help you feel more at home.

Like I'm living in a place where people drop bombs on me, try to kill my people, for fun. Hmmmm:army:

Hey Sparky, we're here to go to War. If you want to feel comfortable, go home and sit in your mothers lap and suck on a Fudgesicle.

Semper Fi!!!! Carry on.