Childrens rights at school.

[billhilly]

Here is an interesting situation that happened at my sons JHS today.

Apparently, the basketball coach left his wallet unattended and someone at

the school lifted appx. Y4500 from him. The wallet was in his 3rd floor class

room and the gym is on the 1st floor, other side of the huge (mammoth)

JHS’s compound. This occurred during basketball practice where all players

were accounted for. So, in the school and coach’s master logic, the

basketball team was grilled for an hour and (here is the kicker)…..all

basketball players were fingerprinted on blank sheets of paper. SIGNED

BLANK CONFESSIONS! The police wasn’t called. The parents were not

notified. My son didn’t think much of it because…easy enough, he is

innocent. I’m going to the school tomorrow for a meeting with the principal.

We, my wife and I, already spoke to several other parents about this. Most

of their kids are just getting home from juku and didn’t have a chance to talk

about their day yet. Aside from, “If you ever try to intimidate my

son/children again in this or any other manner, JP popo will get knuckle

prints from your head as proof of my crime.” I’ll try to play it cool and

resolve this as best as I can, but the fact remains, the coach was allowed

to fingerprint children for a crime when no real police authority was present.

Plus, a finger print is as good as an inkan or signature here. On top of that,

it was on a blank sheet of paper. Any level headed advice would be greatly

appreciated.

[uriel]

Damn. I don't know exactly what I would do, but it would be close to what you said you would do. Sigs on a blank confession? I don't think so. Gestapo tactics don't need to be taken with children, or anyone really. The teacher's an idiot, and really has himself to blame, and since it can't really be proven who did it, the school has no right to punish the whole group. What is this, the Marine Corps?

[P_chan]

He should be happy he only lost 4500 bucks and not more. If I were this coach I'd let people know it happened and didn't appreciate it. But then I'd just take it as a loss and move on.

[billhilly]

The calls are starting to roll in. Other parents talked to their kids. I think I might be the crazy hippie front man to a small protest tomorrow at the JHS. Our chant..."Watch you wallet bakachin. Fingerprint again and we'll get mean." Best I could do on short notice.

[Crazysix]

The calls are starting to roll in. Other parents talked to their kids. I think I might be the crazy hippie front man to a small protest tomorrow at the JHS. Our chant..."Watch you wallet bakachin. Fingerprint again and we'll get mean." Best I could do on short notice.

dude just be cool tomorrow, no need to be headline:-|

[uriel]

What's wrong with nonviolent civil unrest?

[Oki alumni]

It MAY sound "woosy", but again, I'll agree with C6's opinion (nah...I'm NOT implying that C6 is a ..... wait...I'll stop THAT comment right THERE), that it's sometimes better to let things percolate. A letters-to-the editor campaign...phone calls to the school administration...letters to the same...emails to the same. Maybe form a "parents coalition", and decide what you ALL would like to happen, such as a formal apology in front of the assembled students and parents...THAT type of thing.

Seems pretty clear that this teacher overstepped the "understood boundaries" by quite a bit, BUT PLEASE, hear HIS side of the story. I remember "gym period" from MY (ancient) days, and there's ALWAYS somebody that's "gotta take a pee" or "gotta take a dump", and is out of the scene for a bit.

If, when and after you get a "parents coalition" together, if you ALL feel strongly about this, get together and hire a lawyer. HE or SHE will know what rights have been violated, and what can legally be done about it.

-Oki Alumni

[Tanimaga]

A Japanese cooworker left his wallet unattended in the restroom at my jobsite. I think it fell out of his pocket as he was "going". Anyways, this was around bonus time, and when he went back and picked it up, 370,000 yen was missing. For the newbies, thats $3700 give or take.

Everyone asked around, and did a little investigation. It just disappeared. Noone was fingerprinted or interrogated. The guy just dealt with it like a man. HE forgot his wallet. 4500 yen doesn't seem like enough to harass kids.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Was this in the Japanese public school system? Classrooms are supposed to be locked when no one is present, and there is someone (a different student each day) on "day duty" who is in charge of the classroom...locking it up, erasing the blackboard, role, and so on. Seems a lot of things were irregular, according to your report...

[Oki alumni]

What WOULD you do...what would you do...if you were this teacher. Then, after having gotten all super pizzed off, and taking actions, which to YOU seemed "pretty damned justifiable"...late at night, AFTER the incident has settled a bit, and you're still stewing. You SUDDENLY remember..."DAMN, I spent THAT at Yuki's Yakasoba joint...YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!!"

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeek! Freaque OUT! LOL, Would YOU 'fess up? Just a possibility, and I don't have "intuition", and the damn voices don't talk to ME...either!!!

-Oki Alumni

[thistle]

Not really any advice, I steered clear from my son's JHS as much as possible, I found the rigidity stifling. He made it through, but if I feel like he did not really enjoy JHS much.

Now he is in Senior HS he is a different person and seems to enjoy going and is rarely at home anymore. High school seems to be much more relaxed and although you do of course, have to study but it seems it can all be done 'within the school curriculum' and no need to go to the 'Juku' for a few years.

I would leave the whole thing alone unless there is any big problem involving your son.

[billhilly]

Dear JU Members,

Just got back from the big meeting at the JHS. Yes, a Japanese public

school JHS. Kept my cool for the most part. Had 10 other families (Moms)

with me and my wife. The school had the coach, the principal, and 2

interpreters. One from the local Kumon and one an English teacher from the

local government office. I only stormed out once. Not bad knowing my

temper. I only cursed about 47 times too. Not to sound too cool, but I

didn’t speak Japanese until all the apologies were rendered. The bows could

have powered the wind turbines up north. All the finger prints taken were

shredded as we sat and had tea. A written guarantee from the school that

any excess monies carried by students or teachers would be kept in the

school vault (principals office). In addition, NEVER EVER would the children

be subject to fingerprinting again. Extra hall and class monitors would be

ordered. 1 ½ hours of talk. An invite to visit the school any time to assure

all is well. Not too bad for a morning at school. Vacation starts the 18th

and I think we will go back to Miyako or Ishigaki. Here is my woot….didn’t go

to jail today.

[Crazysix]

GOOD JOB BRAH, glad it worked out, MY wife and I talked about it, now she is a former high school teacher (8yrs), when I told her the story she laughed and said" the coach is a f@cking idiot" LMAO. anywho glad it worked out.

[OtisPMerriweather]

I wouldn't care about the fingerprints anyways. Who is he, CSI? Tell him to take his lil junior detective kit back to makeman.

[billhilly]

Thanks everyone for your input. We feel a little better. The last thing the Kumon teacher said, don't know why she did but, "Good luck daddy father. Don't beat your child because we love him too." Maybe I came off a little crazy gaijin, but I would never beat my child/children. A little salt with the sweet I guess. All in all, I ran a big mo and they ate the sour. I'll wait and see what really comes of all this. Keep you posted.

[Crazysix]

Thanks everyone for your input. We feel a little better. The last thing the Kumon teacher said, don't know why she did but, "Good luck daddy father. Don't beat your child because we love him too." Maybe I came off a little crazy gaijin, but I would never beat my child/children. A little salt with the sweet I guess. All in all, I ran a big mo and they ate the sour. I'll wait and see what really comes of all this. Keep you posted.
OMG NOW THEY THINK YOURE AN ABUSER LMAO, well damn brah, now that put a smile on face, next time you go you should bring her flowers and tell her AFN is a good counselor.:smile4:

[Old Timer]

The teacher needs a good down home ass whuppin. Glad the ignorant bastard got ganked.:barf:

[Muku]

I think one thing the school is afraid of is anyone letting this get to the press. Sounds to me that it is being glossed over with that intent in mind.

All the finger prints taken were

shredded as we sat and had tea. A written guarantee from the school that

any excess monies carried by students or teachers would be kept in the

school vault (principals office). In addition, NEVER EVER would the children

be subject to fingerprinting again. Extra hall and class monitors would be

ordered. 1 ½ hours of talk. An invite to visit the school any time to assure

all is well.
It was improper in the first place to take the prints, just shredding them doesnt do anything to change the root of the problem of why they were taken in the first place.

Written guaruntee's???? Sounds like BS. What person/teacher is going to let a school hold on to their wallets? Usually schools already hold excess money in their vaults, PTA, school lunch fee, etc etc. This was a teachers private wallet and nothing to do with "excess money". Something sounds a bit off here, if it fact it was "excess money" they what was the teacher holding on to it in the first place for, also why wasnt he questioned about why he didnt take better care of his own belongings?

Monitors for what? And what's the 1 1/2 talk time about?

Oh you can also go and visit the school anytime you want, you dont need special permission, unless they are talking about going around to classrooms during class time as well.

Never subject to finger printing again....shit it shouldnt have happened in the first place so that's a no brainer until the next time it happens.

Sounds to me like they are just trying to find solutions to placate peoples anger without getting to the root of the problem which is the teacher in the first place. Again the typical shutting the barn door after every animal has fled.

Numbnuts teacher/coach needs to get his ass either fired or suspended with a heafty fine as well. I also think it is asinine for a teacher to automatically assume that the players on his team that he is coaching could somehow be responsible for stealing his money. Someone needs to call the police on his ass.



So what happend to the teacher?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Agreed with most of that. Fixed one bit...

Again the typical shutting the barn door after every animal has fled.
I'm sure that's what you wanted to say.

...So what happend to the teacher?
Yeah, really eh! Seems a lot more like a problem with one specific dude. I'd be wanting that asswipe doing the whole begging forgiveness on hands and knees routine, remedial class/club managment training, periodic surprise checks on his classes/club...

[TheLastDon]

Holy guacamole, eel agreed with Muku on something.

Must be a full moon.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

We're in the same line of work, so I know he knows what he's talking about here.

[billhilly]

My son just got home a little bit ago. Finally pried out of him the aftermath. No reprisals thankfully. Just a regular day of JHS. The only exception; basketball practice is on hold while the coach takes a week off. That is what the team was told. Sounds like a short suspension or period of reflection for the coach. Other than that, same ol' same ol'.

[Muku]

My son just got home a little bit ago. Finally pried out of him the aftermath. No reprisals thankfully. Just a regular day of JHS. The only exception; basketball practice is on hold while the coach takes a week off. That is what the team was told. Sounds like a short suspension or period of reflection for the coach. Other than that, same ol' same ol'.
Do you know if the teacher/coach is part time or full time?

Also would you be willing to share the name of the school?

Why would there be reprisal's? You have this guy and his school by the balls right now whether you realize it or not.

If this leaks out to the press they might have a field day with it and the guy would could get fired for cause. He is an ass, how does he expect to have any respect from his players from now on, plus whotf is going to trust him with anything important for at least the rest of this school year.

Did you happen to read my previous post? Would you be able to expound further on the questions that I left there for you?

Oh and there is probably an assistant coach as well, there shouldnt be any need for your kid(s) not to practice, they didnt do anything wrong right? Why should they have to pay for coach idiots mistakes?

[JapansFavGirl95]

thats all!?
pff, thats nothing. the guy should just move on and not harass the kids.

[RenaissanceMan]

Yes, the coach made the wrong choice, and it is his boss that determines his punishment, not us. However, I think one thing a lot of people miss is what they would actually do in the same situation as the coach. Yes we can say what we would do from our computers here, but when they squeeze is on, whatever is inside it what is coming out. There are a million choices to make as the person who is desperately trying to find their money before it is too late. Would we all make the right decision, I don't think so.