Vacation Bible School at All Souls' Church

[lesterjl]

http://vbs.lifeway.com/vbs2008/yourVBS/myChurch/?id=10304

Dear families & friends,
We at All Souls' are very excited to be offering an incredible vacation bible school this summer! Children will have an amazing time discovering & experiencing God's Word through 5 days of teachings, crafts, music, and play all set in a tropical theme!
What a wonderful way to introduce your child to the Word of God and the island culture of Okinawa!

Register your child today, spaces are limited!

If you are interested in becoming a volunteer, you may register online as well!
Volunteers are a vital part of every ministry's success, please prayerfully consider in which ways you can take part in bringing the blessing of VBS to a child this summer!

Email: vbs@allsoulsokinawa.org
Website: http://www.allsoulsokinawa.org

[Asshat]

Instead of allowing kids to be trained at All Souls' Church, you might also consider sending them to "Kid's on Fire Summer Camp!" (http://www.kidsinministry.org/whatwebelieve.php)

The program has received much attention, and there is even a film (http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/) out about it!

http://religiousfreaks.com/UserFiles/Image/jesus.camp.jpg

[Crazysix]

yeah, i rather send my kids to and al Queda training camp.

[navwifecom]

Ummh, yeah.
Asshat, Jesus Camp was closed down years ago after the movie came out....nice try though:thumbup1:

Technically shouldn't this be a business ad?
Forums are not an ideal locale to advertise anything you don't want ridiculed. Maybe the OP can remove it and place an ad in JU, where such announcements should be located.

Just my 2 yen....

[Asshat]

Ummh, yeah.
Asshat, Jesus Camp was closed down years ago after the movie came out....nice try though:thumbup1:

Technically shouldn't this be a business ad?
Forums are not an ideal locale to advertise anything you don't want ridiculed. Maybe the OP can remove it and place an ad in JU, where such announcements should be located.

Just my 2 yen....

I don't know NavWIFEcom. I figured that since I was offended by the post offering brain washing, (My kids grew up without Jesus, Santa or the Easter Bunny) and since it was one of those spam posts, that I would offer the Zionist Soldiers an alternative.

[Sex Wax]

As long as they dont serve "kool-aid" a la Jimmy Jones.

[Asshat]

As long as they dont serve "kool-aid" a la Jimmy Jones.

Kool Aide drinking is mandatory in all churches, schools and re-education camps.

[navwifecom]

My original thought was for the poster, not you. You will notice the :thumbup1: I gave you...
Spam begets ridicule.....

Then there was spam and we saw it and deemed it heinous. We pleaded for the great mods to remove it , and it was, and it was good, we rejoiced.

Better?:thumbup1:

[Sex Wax]

Lets us bow our heads and sip some "jesus juice".

[Asshat]

My original thought was for the poster, not you. You will notice the :thumbup1: I gave you...
Spam begets ridicule.....

Then there was spam and we saw it and deemed it heinous. We pleaded for the great mods to remove it , and it was, and it was good, we rejoiced.

Better?:thumbup1:

Oh no, I was good to go from the outset, I DID note the thumbs up. But I so WANTED to put the dig in there about Santa, Jesus and the Easter Bunny. TP would call that "riding the coatails of another poster." I do that because of my limited intellect! :thumbup1:

[lesterjl]

Im sorry you feel that way. It is not a spam post. I simply wanted to get the word out to people of faith and know that there are some who read this. You are welcome to your opinions and encouraged to voice them. The post should not be deleted because it is educational and school-related.

[Crazysix]

Lets us bow our heads and sip some "jesus juice". so thats what the priest call it when the bonk alterboyz

[Sex Wax]

Im sorry you feel that way. It is not a spam post. I simply wanted to get the word out to people of faith and know that there are some who read this. You are welcome to your opinions and encouraged to voice them. The post should not be deleted because it is educational and school-related.

http://monmon.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/mawg-sorry-730793.JPG

[Crazysix]

http://culturadainveja.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/buddychrist-775668.jpg

[TheLastDon]

Hey AH your yellow submarine sink already, LMAO!

[Asshat]

Hey AH your yellow submarine sink already, LMAO!

God damn screen doors!

[socalheart]

lesterjl: This may have been better suited as a reply to the Summer Camp thread (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6086) started by thistle. It does have a ring of advertisement to it as it stands alone. Go ahead and post your uRL in the other thread for her info.

[InDuhUSA]

Instead of allowing kids to be trained at All Souls' Church, you might also consider sending them to "Kid's on Fire Summer Camp!" (http://www.kidsinministry.org/whatwebelieve.php)

The program has received much attention, and there is even a film (http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/) out about it!

http://religiousfreaks.com/UserFiles/Image/jesus.camp.jpg

yeah, i rather send my kids to and al Queda training camp.

I don't know NavWIFEcom. I figured that since I was offended by the post offering brain washing, (My kids grew up without Jesus, Santa or the Easter Bunny) and since it was one of those spam posts, that I would offer the Zionist Soldiers an alternative.

As long as they dont serve "kool-aid" a la Jimmy Jones.

Kool Aide drinking is mandatory in all churches, schools and re-education camps.

Lets us bow our heads and sip some "jesus juice".

Oh no, I was good to go from the outset, I DID note the thumbs up. But I so WANTED to put the dig in there about Santa, Jesus and the Easter Bunny. TP would call that "riding the coatails of another poster." I do that because of my limited intellect! :thumbup1:

Well, well, well. You gentlemen seem to be implying that any form of Christian enlightenment for children is equal to "brain washing" while you continue to spout the liberal rhetoric that someone has brainwashed YOU with. :barf:

Tch, tch, tch guys. Never seen such hostility towards any mention of Christianity in all my life until I came to THIS forum. But then, I must admit, it is probably the thing that keeps me around because every once in a while I enjoy showing anti-christians how asinine their opposition towards Christianity is. Actually, if you guys could actually ever produce one INTELLIGENT argument against Christianity instead of all this broad brushing and childish ridicule, maybe it would make things even more interesting around here. :D

But I do agree with navwifecom to a certain extent that one needs to carefully examine a forum like this before advertising any faith based initiatives on here. After the time I spent on this forum, I would never advertise any church activities here unless one of you guys were to come and cause problems and I have to perform "the laying on of hands." :D

Now go get your Gay rights signs and get out there and march in that Okinawa gay parade and stop harrassing someone who wants to help children grow up with some MORAL VALUES. Now have a nice night. I'll read your responses and tomorrow in order to publicly humilate you guys. Later. ;)

[Asshat]

Im sorry you feel that way. It is not a spam post. I simply wanted to get the word out to people of faith and know that there are some who read this. You are welcome to your opinions and encouraged to voice them. The post should not be deleted because it is educational and school-related.

Consider this. You come in here with zero posts, no introduction, and post about a vacation bible school. This has absolutely nothing to do with education or school. It should be in the religion thread...no matter how evil I may view the brainwashing of children.

[InDuhUSA]

Consider this. You come in here with zero posts, no introduction, and post about a vacation bible school. This has absolutely nothing to do with education or school. It should be in the religion thread...no matter how evil I may view the brainwashing of children.

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is InDuhUSA. Now let's talk about this anti-christian brainwashing of ***hat. Lay down on the couch and tell me when it began .... :o

[lesterjl]

Consider this. You come in here with zero posts, no introduction, and post about a vacation bible school. This has absolutely nothing to do with education or school. It should be in the religion thread...no matter how evil I may view the brainwashing of children.

I understand what you are getting at. There are many forums I am a part of. I looked for a religion thread and found none. The next best place is schools and education. Regardless, I broke no rules in this forum. Have a nice day and thank you for your opinions.

[Asshat]

Now go get your Gay rights signs and get out there and march in that Okinawa gay parade and stop harrassing someone who wants to help children grow up with some MORAL VALUES. Now have a nice night. I'll read your responses and tomorrow in order to publicly humilate you guys. Later. ;)

Moral values eh? Like murdering fellow human beings? Like saying we are all God's children as long as you do what "you" deem is "right?"

My hostility towards religious organizations will cease as soon as you nutcases get it back out of Washington.

Until that time, I will be one of the many you can use as cannon fodder to describe the "war" you wage until Armageddon. I will be one of the many you can hold up as an impediment towards the unilateral destruction of Iran.

You Christians disgust me with your murderous ways, and the way in which you dare to use the name of a messenger of peace in your denomination.

[Asshat]

I understand what you are getting at. There are many forums I am a part of. I looked for a religion thread and found none. The next best place is schools and education. Regardless, I broke no rules in this forum. Have a nice day and thank you for your opinions.

There is one here. And the other poster I responded to here is a perfect example of why I get offended when I see posts like you posted. Like many other people, I am disgusted and tired of moral superiority displays by my fellow humans.

For some reason, I just don't feel like I am "less" than they are. Thank you for your kindness to my unkind words.

[Crazysix]

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is InDuhUSA. Now let's talk about this anti-christian brainwashing of ***hat. Lay down on the couch and tell me when it began .... :o
So im not christian nor do i believe in god, but because of that I cannot raise my children with morals and values:-|:-|:-|. OH well they will be alright

[InDuhUSA]

Moral values eh? Like murdering fellow human beings? Like saying we are all God's children as long as you do what "you" deem is "right?"

Oh, I think you have us confused with your favorite PRO-CHOICE groups :first:

My hostility towards religious organizations will cease as soon as you nutcases get it back out of Washington.

Until that time, I will be one of the many you can use as cannon fodder to describe the "war" you wage until Armageddon. I will be one of the many you can hold up as an impediment towards the unilateral destruction of Iran.

You Christians disgust me with your murderous ways, and the way in which you dare to use the name of a messenger of peace in your denomination.

You remember what I said about presenting an intelligent argument against Christianity ....

Well, let's just say that you have not scored high at all on that particular chart. Ranting and raving about this idea that Christians are "murderers" is not an intelligent debate. It only makes you appear angry and bitter about an imagined monster that you created.

Now if it was meant to insult and hurt my feelings, you have to do a heckuva lot better than that Bootyhat :D

[Asshat]

Well, let's just say that you have not scored high at all on that particular chart. Ranting and raving about this idea that Christians are "murderers" is not an intelligent debate. It only makes you appear angry and bitter about an imagined monster that you created.

Oh gee, another Christian wants a debate about religion. lol. Go read your bible young man. Find out what Constantine wanted you to swallow about fags, jews, or brain dead people hooked to life support.

Better yet, contemplate the infinity of the universe, fertized eggs in the womb without sexual congress, and manna from heaven. Heck man, you got enough on your plate without engagine me or anyone else in your fairy tale world.

Oh and Peace to you too Duh!

[InDuhUSA]

So im not christian nor do i believe in god, but because of that I cannot raise my children with morals and values:-|:-|:-|. OH well they will be alright

Now C6, what have I told you guys about making inuations, or rather, accusing me of saying things that I did not?

But let us face some facts: If one does not believe in a deity who sets the standards of morality, the moarlity will be subjective to what each individual thinks it is or what society dictates. Nevertheless, we are now getting way off topic (my fault, I know) so I won't respond on this thread any more. care to start a debate on this in the religion section? Gotta take care of some things but if you want a debate about what constitutes morality, I will come back in a couple of hours.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Hey AH your yellow submarine sink already, LMAO!

LOL! Definitely so.

~~ Love me todaaaaaay... hate me tomoroooooow... ~~

[InDuhUSA]

Oh gee, another Christian wants a debate about religion. lol. Go read your bible young man. Find out what Constantine wanted you to swallow about fags, jews, or brain dead people hooked to life support.

Better yet, contemplate the infinity of the universe, fertized eggs in the womb without sexual congress, and manna from heaven. Heck man, you got enough on your plate without engagine me or anyone else in your fairy tale world.

Oh and Peace to you too Duh!

Man, I get your goat a little too easily :D

Dude, if you ever want to beat me in a debate, you first have to learn to stop the ranting and raving and the machine gun posting. It looks too much like a temper tantrum. Calm down, state what you hate about Christianity, present your facts and then challenge me to refute them. If I am unable too, then you win. With posts like this, you only look like an ex-Marine who spent too much time at the Nam ;)

[Asshat]

Man, I get your goat a little too easily :D

Dude, if you ever want to beat me in a debate, you first have to learn to stop the ranting and raving and the machine gun posting. It looks too much like a temper tantrum. Calm down, state what you hate about Christianity, present your facts and then challenge me to refute them. If I am unable too, then you win. With posts like this, you only look like an ex-Marine who spent too much time at the Nam ;)

Not worth my time. In addition to growing up in a moral christian environment, I have also learned to accept certain limitations in myself. One of them is the patience to have long, drawn out conversations or debates with people who believe in the bible.

Something else you should know is that my machine gun posting is a product of not really giving a shit about convincing you, since I don't care, and that really, I don't care what you or anyone else thinks of me.

I merely want to ensure that people like you don't get to run through life attacking the beliefs of others, attacking other people's personal choices, or attacking other countries, (Yes, the Zionists are also Christian) without having to stumble over me.

Since I really do not care, I also do not care about winning. lol...that is your game. All I have to do is teach others to be wary of you and people like you, and I automatically win.

Love, in Christ,
Asshat.

[P_chan]

So now were all bleeding heart liberals and our opinions are "wrong" because of that accusation? Wow, I see this thread becoming another head ache. I'll try to stay out of this one. I'll just go and impose my corrupt non christan morals and beliefs onto my children. But at least I'd limit it to my own children, and no every other person within an earshot!

[peace island]

i can't believe that there are "christian camps" for children in Okinawa...what happened to this poor island ...:crying:

[Jazz]

There's allot of good Christians out there, and I'm one. Christianity IMO and in the way I live it is really not the terrifying cult that people believe it is. I don't feel like talking religion now though.

[P_chan]

There's allot of good Christians out there, and I'm one. Christianity IMO and in the way I live it is really not the terrifying cult that people believe it is. I don't feel like talking religion now though.

Very true, good post. I'd like to think that everyone knows (and can tell the differance) between the exteremist and the normals.

[Muku]

All I say in the matter is keep your Chrisitianity to yourselves and dont polute my air with your crap. There is much to be said for true Christians that do their thing with out going out of their way to "impress" their beliefs onto others.

This thread OP does sound like an advertisement and there are plenty of other churches that advertise in JU and you could have done a bit more research before posting it here.

There is a forum for religion and beliefs where this would have been more appropriate, whether you think it is education or not, there are others here that dont.

BTW here is the link to the religion fora (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=8) here, maybe a moderator could move this thread for you!:)

[Asshat]

There's allot of good Christians out there, and I'm one. Christianity IMO and in the way I live it is really not the terrifying cult that people believe it is. I don't feel like talking religion now though.

I know there are a lot of good "people" out there. The nicest people as a group I have met were Muslims living in Northern Malaysia.

The meanest people I have met as a group were Christian.

So I must infer that religion has nothing to do with nice and not nice, good or not good.

I mean kids who believe in Santa are not evil are they?

[Jazz]

I was raised in a Christian family with a Christian minister for a Dad and I was always taught that Christianity is the way to go. My parent's are pretty cool though and nice people who don't push their beliefs on people accept me. They're more concerned with helping others in need, no matter what they believe.

As an adult now I have my own beliefs. I call myself a Christian mostly because of my upbringing but also because I believe you don't have to be an uptight, hypoctritc, religion mongering ass. I don't believe that true Christianity (which I believe in) is a religion or a cult. It's a way of life and a moral foundation to stand on.

That's all I'll say. "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything" - Credit to the originator of the forementioned quote.

[dk]

I wonder how many other religions bring their kids up with songs like this? I learned this song at vacation bible school:


I may never march in the infantry
Ride in the Calvary
Shoot the artillery
I may never fly o'er the enemy
But I'm in the Lord's army!
Yes Sir!

I'm in the Lord's army!
Yes sir!
I'm in the Lord's army!
Yes sir!

I may never march in the infantry
Ride in the Calvary
Shoot the artillery
I may never fly o'er the enemy
But I'm in the Lord's army!
Yes sir!

Would it be scary if Muslim's were teaching their kids songs like this?

What does this song even mean?

[Jazz]

That just brought back memories! It's been a couple decades.....wow

[Asshat]

I wonder how many other religions bring their kids up with songs like this? I learned this song at vacation bible school:



Would it be scary if Muslim's were teaching their kids songs like this?

What does this song even mean?

Therein lays the problem for me. Many Christians do see themselves engaged in a holy war.

[dk]

Therein lays the problem for me. Many Christians do see themselves engaged in a holy war.
It's incredible how early they start preparing their kids for war. At VBS, don't kids start singing this song at about age four?

[P_chan]

I was raised in a catholic household, but we never sang war songs nor prepared for an upcoming imaginary holy war/ end of times.

[Asshat]

It's incredible how early they start preparing their kids for war. At VBS, don't kids start singing this song at about age four?

I dunno, we had other fight songs we did. Plus made John the Baptist shit with macaroni and glue.

When I was in the God Squad, they never could tell us who the enemy was besides Santa...or was that Satan? Anyway, he being a mythical beast and all, we just sort of starting getting stoned in the parking lot before church.

They really frowned on that, told our parents, and suddenly we were hated so much we didn't have to go anymore!

That was four decades or a tad less ago. I never could see the reason to force that crap on my kids. They ended up smoking weed before school instead though. They got as much outta school as I did out of church.

Laid. :D

[Jazz]

I also got stoned and laid in church, but I was never taught that Santa was bad. Did you go to some sort of strict Baptist church or what?

[Asshat]

I also got stoned and laid in church, but I was never taught that Santa was bad. Did you go to some sort of strict Baptist church or what?

Nah, parents were strict though. I remember once the pastor told the congregation that one of the flock was down on his luck, had a family, so after church everyone gave him money, cakes, etc. as he stood in line.

My father offered him a job bucking bales of hay- (Loading baled hay onto trucks) and the guy said, "that is too hard."

The next Sunday, my father sat in the front row, smoking cigarrettes in church. That lasted for a couple of Sundays until we didn't go anymore...until they found a new one to harrass me with.

Don't know why that story came to mind...just thinking abt past church experiences I guess.

[dk]

I was raised in a catholic household, but we never sang war songs nor prepared for an upcoming imaginary holy war/ end of times.
The Christian churches I went to taught me that Catholics aren't Christian. Maybe that's why, heathen.

[Asshat]

The Christian churches I went to taught me that Catholics aren't Christian. Maybe that's why, heathen.

Yeah Catholics got too much Mary and Saints and not enough Jesus for most Christians to deal with.

I think they are currently harmless however....they haven't invaded any countries or murdered people for gold...er I mean god...in a few millenia.

[InDuhUSA]

Not worth my time. In addition to growing up in a moral christian environment, I have also learned to accept certain limitations in myself. One of them is the patience to have long, drawn out conversations or debates with people who believe in the bible.

Something else you should know is that my machine gun posting is a product of not really giving a shit about convincing you, since I don't care, and that really, I don't care what you or anyone else thinks of me.

If you REALLY didn't care you would not have ever responded to the OP the way you did nor would you be responding to me. Your posts betray you, or as that most hated book, the Bible says, "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh" (Just loooove that King James venacular ;))

I merely want to ensure that people like you don't get to run through life attacking the beliefs of others, attacking other people's personal choices, or attacking other countries, (Yes, the Zionists are also Christian) without having to stumble over me.

Since I really do not care, I also do not care about winning. lol...that is your game. All I have to do is teach others to be wary of you and people like you, and I automatically win.

Love, in Christ,
Asshat.

Stumble?!! Bro, I have been STOMPING all over you. You remind me of that kid that used to throw rocks at me and run and then declare himself the victor :thumbup:

Also, you can't TEACH anyone anything with the way you are posting. You may simply get those who already believe like you to rally behind you and you may get the unthinking dunces, but people who actually want to THINK THROUGH some of these issues will wants something more than just your hostilities and hatred. They will actually want some FACTS. Think about it dud. Latah :D

P.S. - You know you want to WIN a debate. Just be honest.

[InDuhUSA]

So now were all bleeding heart liberals and our opinions are "wrong" because of that accusation?

Just calls'em as I sees'em :D

All I say in the matter is keep your Chrisitianity to yourselves and dont polute my air with your crap.

And stop you guys from having all this fun? That would be very selfish of us militant murdering Christians.

There is much to be said for true Christians that do their thing with out going out of their way to "impress" their beliefs onto others.

This thread OP does sound like an advertisement and there are plenty of other churches that advertise in JU and you could have done a bit more research before posting it here.

There is a forum for religion and beliefs where this would have been more appropriate, whether you think it is education or not, there are others here that dont.

BTW here is the link to the religion fora (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=8) here, maybe a moderator could move this thread for you!:)

Unfortunately, I will have to agree with THIS portion of your post. Maybe not the tone, but the content.

[Isaak Brodsky]

Therein lays the problem for me. Many Christians do see themselves engaged in a holy war.

I think it's reasonable to suppose that anyone who professes some up-bringing in Christian traditions knows that any reference to war imagery is really just a metaphor for spiritual warfare.

Even enlightened atheists/materialists/neo-Darwinists should know the differences between figurative and literal uses of the language.

[InDuhUSA]

I wonder how many other religions bring their kids up with songs like this? I learned this song at vacation bible school:



Would it be scary if Muslim's were teaching their kids songs like this?

What does this song even mean?

Aren't we distorting things here DK? Having gone to OCS I am sure that they taught you what is called SPIRITUAL WARFARE. Please excuse me for quoting that most despised of all books, but I find it necessary at this point in order to refute your misrepresentation here:

We are not fighting against humans. We are fighting against forces and authorities and against rulers of darkness and powers in the spiritual world. (Ephesians 6:12; Contemporrary English Version)

So the misrepresentation you just gave has nothing to do with us wanting to murder people (we live that up to the Pro-choice folks who like to kill innocent unborn babies). On the contrary, we believe in preserving human life and trying to win our enemies by sharing God's love and warning of His wrath, not by taking up arms and shooting people.

Think about that the next time we are accused here of being murderers ;)

[InDuhUSA]

I think it's reasonable to suppose that anyone who professes some up-bringing in Christian traditions knows that any reference to war imagery is really just a metaphor for spiritual warfare.

Even enlightened atheists/materialists/neo-Darwinists should know the differences between figurative and literal uses of the language.

Good post. See my quote after yours.

[dk]

You're right. All of those Muslims and other religious nutjobs probably would have never taken a similar piece of scripture out of context. Absolutely.

I am aware of spiritual warfare. Are the kids and the easily persuaded clear on the intent? What is Islam's excuse? Do they not have spiritual warfare? Are they just told to kill all non-believers? Does the Old Testament have anything in common?

Most hated book? I think it's a great book. I've got several copies on hand, sitting on the shelf next to the rest of my fiction.

[InDuhUSA]

You're right. All of those Muslims and other religious nutjobs probably would have never taken a similar piece of scripture out of context. Absolutely.

I am aware of spiritual warfare. Are the kids and the easily persuaded clear on the intent? What is Islam's excuse? Do they not have spiritual warfare? Are they just told to kill all non-believers? Does the Old Testament have anything in common?

If the kids are not taught exactly what is meant by "spiritual warfare" that is the problem with the TEACHER and not Christianity as a whole. Now DK, by your constant refernces to the Islamic religion you are simply using a guilt by association tactic that you know very well is fallacious and is only meant to detract from what is actually being taught in the Christian metaphors concerning war.

Most hated book? I think it's a great book. I've got several copies on hand, sitting on the shelf next to the rest of my fiction.

I also hope you have Darwin's "Origin of Species" on that same shelf :thumbup:

[dk]

I don't actually own a copy of Darwin's Origin of the Species. It sounds like a little too dry of reading for me, although I do appreciate what he's trying to say.

I wouldn't mind getting my hands on some C.S. Lewis again. I'm sure you know the guy. :)

I group all religions together. So does the word "religion". My bad... I still think that the history as described in the bible and encouraged by this god guy is pretty violent though.

[Sex Wax]

HEY...I said i'm sorry for making fun of the "christian band camp". They can do whatever they like. Just as I will do whatever I want. Them kids can go to thier camp, have fun, meet Jesus, whatever. I will teach my kids to beat them up if they try and convert them. 'nuff said.

[InDuhUSA]

I don't actually own a copy of Darwin's Origin of the Species. It sounds like a little too dry of reading for me, although I do appreciate what he's trying to say.

I wouldn't mind getting my hands on some C.S. Lewis again. I'm sure you know the guy. :)

I group all religions together. So does the word "religion". My bad... I still think that the history as described in the bible and encouraged by this god guy is pretty violent though.

Read a couple of his books (The ScrewTape Letters, Mere Christianity, and one science fiction book Called "That Hideous Strength" or something like that). Very good writer. Never could read his most famous one, The Narnia Chronicles because fantasy often bores me. I have the first movie on DVD and may watch it one of these days.

Perhaps in the Religion section when time permits, I'll deal with my perspective on the "why" of violence in the Old Testament.

[InDuhUSA]

HEY...I said i'm sorry for making fun of the "christian band camp". They can do whatever they like. Just as I will do whatever I want. Them kids can go to thier camp, have fun, meet Jesus, whatever. I will teach my kids to beat them up if they try and convert them. 'nuff said.

You know, we also have a few "Christian Karate Schools" here where I live at (not sure about Okinawa), so you might want to be careful about which Christians you tell your kids to beat up ;)

[dk]

Read a couple of his books (The ScrewTape Letters, Mere Christianity, and one science fiction book Called "That Hideous Strength" or something like that). Very good writer. Never could read his most famous one, The Narnia Chronicles because fantasy often bores me. I have the first movie on DVD and may watch it one of these days.

Perhaps in the Religion section when time permits, I'll deal with my perspective on the "why" of violence in the Old Testament.
I never cared for the narnia books, and the movie (at least the first one, only one I've seen) was pretty lame in my opinion. Suddenly these kids come out of nowhere and are amazing on the battlefield, and people (well, mythical creatures) who don't even know them or their fighting history are ready to fight beside them and dedicate their entire lives to their leadership... I just found it hokey...

I enjoyed CS Lewis's sci-fi books though. Can't remember the titles right now, and am too tired to look it up, but they weren't bad. Great writer.

[Trail]

Bible camp... oh boy. To each his own I guess but IMO, I'd rather see my kid being taught how to respect and admire nature first hand vs. scripture.

[InDuhUSA]

I never cared for the narnia books, and the movie (at least the first one, only one I've seen) was pretty lame in my opinion. Suddenly these kids come out of nowhere and are amazing on the battlefield, and people (well, mythical creatures) who don't even know them or their fighting history are ready to fight beside them and dedicate their entire lives to their leadership... I just found it hokey...

I enjoyed CS Lewis's sci-fi books though. Can't remember the titles right now, and am too tired to look it up, but they weren't bad. Great writer.

I'm definietly with you there. It's probably the problem I have with a lot of the fantasy stuff as a whole. Tried to follow the story of "Kingdom Hearts" since my kids like the video but got a little tired of watching Donald and Goofy fight beside some kid they never knew before. And King Mickey? Ho boy. But the kids seem to like it.

One of his science fiction books I believe was "That hideous Strength." I think it was the one I read. I remember there were three in the set and I only read one.

[dk]

Yeah, I think that might have been the series I'm talking about.

I was playing Kingdom Hearts on my PS2 a month or so ago. Bought the game when it first came out and never got into it. Tried it again and still don't care for it. What the heck is a gummy ship. Come on...

I don't care for fantasy, but I don't mind Sci-Fi as long as it's not TOO out there. I know, I know, it's sci-fi, it's "supposed" to be out there, but at least some authors put together decent stories.

And wow if this post isn't off-topic.

[Sex Wax]

I walked into a closet once..............and was transported to a magical world of waking up in my own piss and vomit. Nothing "magical".....except my money disapeared. And a mighty hangover.

[Asshat]

You know, we also have a few "Christian Karate Schools" here where I live at (not sure about Okinawa), so you might want to be careful about which Christians you tell your kids to beat up ;)

Perfect example of spiritual warfare eh?

[FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"]I think it's reasonable to suppose that anyone who professes some up-bringing in Christian traditions knows that any reference to war imagery is really just a metaphor for spiritual warfare.

I don't call the unilateral anhilation of Iran a Spiritual War. (See Zionist movement) How far back would you like to go with "Christian Traditions" Ian? The invasion of Iraq by a supposedly Christian President? The Crusades?

I do not consider the death penalty an example of a "pro-life" stance.

What I really do not understand is how anyone can seriously discuss the validity of a religion based purely on mystical beings, mystical powers, or events which transcend the laws of nature.

Oh that's right. I gotsta have faith, and if I can't fathom those glaring descrepanices, it's cuz (drum roll please) "God works in mysterious ways!"

And Santa comes down the chimney!

[Isaak Brodsky]

I appreciate the thoughtful response, but I'll need a few hours to adequately rebut the insinuations and over-simplifications and unreasonable conflations.

[P_chan]

The Christian churches I went to taught me that Catholics aren't Christian. Maybe that's why, heathen.

Naw, catholics are just old school and christians are jealous.

[P_chan]

I walked into a closet once..............and was transported to a magical world of waking up in my own piss and vomit. Nothing "magical".....except my money disapeared. And a mighty hangover.

Don't forget that it burns now once you pee too.

[Asshat]

I appreciate the thoughtful response, but I'll need a few hours to adequately rebut the insinuations and over-simplifications and unreasonable conflations.

Ian, I deleted my post where I asked some specific questions of you. The reason I did that is because I already know you and I will never agree on Christianity, but I also realize you have never tried to force your beliefs on me or anyone else here.

So peaceout, do your thing, and I respect your feelings about what you believe in...

[InDuhUSA]

Yeah, I think that might have been the series I'm talking about.

I was playing Kingdom Hearts on my PS2 a month or so ago. Bought the game when it first came out and never got into it. Tried it again and still don't care for it. What the heck is a gummy ship. Come on...

I don't care for fantasy, but I don't mind Sci-Fi as long as it's not TOO out there. I know, I know, it's sci-fi, it's "supposed" to be out there, but at least some authors put together decent stories.

And wow if this post isn't off-topic.

Yeah, it is getting off topic, but this is definitely one of my areas of interest. I read a lot so I like talking books But since I don't want to do any further hijacking of the thread I won't talk about some of my favorite time travel novels :D

[InDuhUSA]

Perfect example of spiritual warfare eh?

Well, Jesus never told us how many times we must turn the cheek :D

I don't call the unilateral anhilation of Iran a Spiritual War. (See Zionist movement) How far back would you like to go with "Christian Traditions" Ian? The invasion of Iraq by a supposedly Christian President? The Crusades?

Some of you guys who oppose the Iraqi war are the same ones who would have blamed Bush for not being a good president if Hussein would have blown up a few parts of America with some of those weapons of mass destruction.

I do not consider the death penalty an example of a "pro-life" stance.

Unborn babies do not commit crimes. Murders murder and should not be fed and clothed with my tax dollars for the next 50 years.

What I really do not understand is how anyone can seriously discuss the validity of a religion based purely on mystical beings, mystical powers, or events which transcend the laws of nature.

Oh that's right. I gotsta have faith, and if I can't fathom those glaring descrepanices, it's cuz (drum roll please) "God works in mysterious ways!"

And Santa comes down the chimney!

Simply because you are too materialistically minded. I bet you never saw a pigmy or a cannibal though have you? Do you believe that they exist? If so, why?

[vvloc]

if Hussein would have blown up a few parts of America with some of those weapons of mass destruction.

Duh, which weapons of mass destruction?

[TheLastDon]

Duh, which weapons of mass destruction?

You know, the ones they never found.

[InDuhUSA]

You know, the ones they never found.

Exactly. That Saddam was a slickster wasn't he? :D

[Asshat]

Well, Jesus never told us how many times we must turn the cheek :D

Pretty flippant remark there Duh. Does all of Christiandom except "your" version of the NT? Though not a Christian, I can tell you that Mathew wrote "twice."

Some of you guys who oppose the Iraqi war are the same ones who would have blamed Bush for not being a good president if Hussein would have blown up a few parts of America with some of those weapons of mass destruction.

What WMD? It has already been proven that UNSCOM oversaw the destruction of those weapons...which by the way, he lacked the ability to project.

Unborn babies do not commit crimes. Murders murder and should not be fed and clothed with my tax dollars for the next 50 years.

So you feel it is your duty to judge them and execute them? Doesn't it bother you that the advent of DNA evidence has shown that the convicted are not always guilty?

Simply because you are too materialistically minded. I bet you never saw a pigmy or a cannibal though have you? Do you believe that they exist? If so, why?

You mean I need to see the proof of something to know it exists? Ok, I am fine with that. I have to trust the photos and articles in National Geographic more than I trust the combined works of a Pegan ruler and warring factions of blossoming Christianity. I know..call me crazy!

Despite your boasting (didn't Paul call this is a sin in James) you have done little to prove anything other than that you are a simply mouthpiece lacking in original thought, and a very poor example of a Christian both in your boastfulness and arrogance, and as a child of God working to bring others into the fold.

Good bye!

[InDuhUSA]

Pretty flippant remark there Duh. Does all of Christiandom except "your" version of the NT? Though not a Christian, I can tell you that Mathew wrote "twice."

Are you sure about that AH?

Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Don't see the word "twice" in there, do you?


What WMD? It has already been proven that UNSCOM oversaw the destruction of those weapons...which by the way, he lacked the ability to project.

Cool. :cool:

So you feel it is your duty to judge them and execute them? Doesn't it bother you that the advent of DNA evidence has shown that the convicted are not always guilty?

Yup. And it also shows that many are.

You mean I need to see the proof of something to know it exists?

You were the one mocking "faith."

Ok, I am fine with that. I have to trust the photos and articles in National Geographic more than I trust the combined works of a Pegan ruler and warring factions of blossoming Christianity. I know..call me crazy!

How do you know the photos weren't doctored or that it was simply a movie set with actors? ;)

Despite your boasting (didn't Paul call this is a sin in James) you have done little to prove anything other than that you are a simply mouthpiece lacking in original thought, and a very poor example of a Christian both in your boastfulness and arrogance, and as a child of God working to bring others into the fold.

Good bye!

Paul didn't write james. James wrote James, and he talked about boasting about TOMORROW. Context always counts AH ;)

Oh, and please accept my apologies if I do not concern myself with an assessment of my example as a Christian from someone who happens to be hostile to it. And don't say "good-bye." Let's just say "see ya later alligator." :D

You can't resist me AH. As soon as I post again you will respond. You cannot ignore me AH. Admit it. You need me to vent your vitriolic hatred of Christianity.

[vvloc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCiotYOYMwE

[RenaissanceMan]

How did I miss this post? Lots of Truth to bring around the corner here, but then again...sometimes you just have to...