hadnott's court martial result

[z's inmate#2341]

he got 3 years, see link for the details...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/16/AR2008051600375.html

[rodo2586]

He should have gotten more then that. 38 years old and his whole career down the drain.

Not very smart

Anyone else tired of the actions of one or two people ruining Americans reputation in Okinawa?


Rod

[hankypanky]

they tried for 8 but worked it out to 3, his butt will be able to whistle by the time he gets out:eek:

[DoctorP]

He should have gotten more then that. 38 years old and his whole career down the drain.

Not very smart

Anyone else tired of the actions of one or two people ruining Americans reputation in Okinawa?


Rod

That's pretty damn good considering he was never found guilty in a civil court! Usually if you are exonerated (or in his case never really charged) then the military will drop it as well. Anyone who sees this as a slap on the wrist is looking at this the wrong way.

I, for one, am glad that something came of this...hopefully the MC will fully publicize this around Okinawa to get the word out to all of the Marines...but I doubt that they will. It will be forgotten by most of the MC, until the next incident, when the press brings all this back out again!:mad:

[AFuel567]

His lawyer obviously sucked

[DoctorP]

His lawyer obviously sucked

That is debatable. He faced a maximum of 15 years in prison. He was found guilty of molesting a minor, which he admitted to doing both in his statement and in court.

"I'm guilty because I did not find out the victim's age before I touched her." "I touched her in a sexual manner through her clothes, sir. I had a strong suspicion that she was under 16."

After reading the story in S&S, I feel that the 3 years he will serve is enough. He was demoted to E-1 and all pay suspended, except for $1,300/month that is to support his daughter for 6 months. Dude had an 18 year career and threw it away for jailbait!:thumbdown:

Hadnott pleads guilty to sex assault on teen (http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54876)

Though I feel it was enough, a few of the locals felt differently when questioned.

Locals say Hadnott's 36-month sentence is too short
(http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54877)

I do agree with this woman's line of thinking though:

A woman in her mid-40s in Ginowan, however, said she had mixed feelings about whether the sentence was too light.

"It’s hard to say, because at first she was not taken against her will," said the woman, who identified herself only by her last name of Matsumoto. "My biggest concern is for Okinawa’s society, where many underage children hang around late at night.

"Anyhow, it was the fault of the man, an adult. I cannot say if the sentence is long enough or not. All I want is for him to serve his prison term and pay for the crime."

[TheNoNamedOne]

His lawyer obviously sucked

Either sucked, or no matter what since this involved politics there was no way he was going to get completely off despite him perhaps being innocent. One need only look at the statements coming out from the military lawyers who have been assigned to represent terror suspects in Guantanomo just to see how corrupt U.S. military justice can be at the political level.

Look, there were 4 charges against Hadnott, and what does the military do? It seems they offered him a plea bargain agreement because they knew that the charges were dubious and they lacked the evidence to convict on those.

In all probability the brass were leaning on Hadnott's attorney to strongly advise him to take the plea, and rather than telling Hadnott the military's case was weak all the way around, he probably pushed Hadnott into accepting the deal -- and Hadnott seeing the diff between 8 and 3 years, just did not want to gamble.

[DoctorP]

Hadnott could have gotten himself a civilian lawyer...he knew he couldn't beat it all. No way they would have convicted on rape, but he wasn't going scot free.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Hadnott could have gotten himself a civilian lawyer...

Many people do not have the financial recourses to do so.

...he knew he couldn't beat it all. No way they would have convicted on rape, but he wasn't going scot free.

I agree that he probably thought he could not beat it all. Though, what he thought and what he could have done are too different things. We already know he is not the best judge of things. And he sure was not going to go scot free since this reached to the level of politics.

The military has cases on the books where an older person is found innocent of rape or sexual misconduct with girls under 16, and to those defendants' luck, they probably were not politicized. Hadnott did not have the situation of being under the political radar.

[zeldan]

His lawyer obviously sucked

Yeah, he needed Phoenix Wright. That dude would have gotten him a full acquittal, and would have had the girl charged, to boot.

[DoctorP]

Many people do not have the financial recourses to do so.



I agree that he probably thought he could not beat it all. Though, what he thought and what he could have done are too different things. We already know he is not the best judge of things. And he sure was not going to go scot free since this reached to the level of politics.

The military has cases on the books where an older person is found innocent of rape or sexual misconduct with girls under 16, and to those defendants' luck, they probably were not politicized. Hadnott did not have the situation of being under the political radar.


I agree...and I hope that because of the outcome in this particular case, that in future cases involving officers and SNCO's that they will not be swept under the rug as they were in the past and now will face prosecution.

[devine]

At least he didn't get away with it, as a mother of 2 daughters I would want him to have more time for what he did. I promise I would be the one going to Prison before he would have!

[TheNoNamedOne]

I agree...and I hope that because of the outcome in this particular case, that in future cases involving officers and SNCO's that they will not be swept under the rug as they were in the past and now will face prosecution.

Indeed. If there is a double standard where more lower ranking persons are more apt to be tried and sentenced than higher ranks, that needs to come to an end.

As for Hadnott's case, of course neither of us have access to the evidence and transcript of the trial, but I am quite suspicious that justice may not have been served here due to the political nature of this case and the military justice system in and of itself, and to me that in itself is a crime.

[Zorro]

Thank you DocP. I have said a lot that would work in favor of Hadnott, and that was because I had not heard any clear and damning evidence against the man. The S&S article makes it much clearer. It seemed very unlikely a rape had occured but everything in the article sounds plausible. And if true, the sentence is fair, well, if you think the laws regarding consent are on the money. I dont. I would give the man a year myself.

The only other doubt I could cast on the case is the idea that Hadnott's admissions are bogus and he is just saying it to get the plea bargain. Given the things that TP has said, it is possible. But I also consider it possible that we could have had this outcome even without the politics. In fact, the politics may have worked the opposite direction from what TP says, because as the case began to look paper thin, the politicos distanced themselves from it. Without the politics and the press, Hadnott might very well have been found guilty of several things in a civilian court.

[vvloc]

As for Hadnott's case, of course neither of us have access to the evidence and transcript of the trial,

When the press reported that Hadnott had confessed that he had gotten on top of her seeking a kiss, many here offered the explanation that the Japanese police may have coerced that statement.

Now, we have Stars and Stripes reporting:

During the half-day court-martial, Hadnott admitted he suspected the girl was underage when he gave her a ride to his off-base home, but he never pressed her to tell her age. He admitted the girl attempted to flee when he tried to kiss her, but he persuaded her to let him give her a ride home.

Instead, they drove in his van to a seaside park in Chatan, where he said he placed his hand between her pants and underwear.

and then quoting the Staff Sgt as saying:

"I’m guilty because I did not find out the victim’s age before I touched her," Hadnott told the judge, Lt. Col. David M. Oliver.

"I touched her in a sexual manner through her clothes, sir. I had a strong suspicion that she was under 16," he added.

Is there some doubt that these two statements are NOT in the trial transcripts?

[TheNoNamedOne]

I don't think it is uncommon that when a plea bargain is brokered, a part of that deal is that the defendant must admit to actions of what is consistent with the charge that is being pled to.

So, if the prosecutors said to Hadnott and his attorney during the plea process, that in order to get this plea ... he must state what he 'did' and keep it consistent with what was "admitted to" during the Japanese 'interrogation' process, then he would do so. If he refused to do that, then the deal could have been withdrawn.

I still have to ask, why does anyone trust the military justice system to render fair justice when present and past cases give us a glimpse of tampering from the Pentagon with outcomes already decided for political reasons.

Were all the war trials conducted against Japanese soldiers fair? How about what is going on in Gitmo? Everything in-between is just all good and fluffy?

Anyways, interesting case to me. A guilty conviction or a plea and prison time as a result was never in doubt by me.

[vvloc]

So, if the prosecutors said to Hadnott and his attorney during the plea process, that in order to get this plea ... he must state what he 'did' and keep it consistent with what was "admitted to" during the Japanese 'interrogation' process.

IIRC there was nothing in the japanese report concerning putting his hands down her pants. Was this part of the testimony added for dramatic effect?

[TheNoNamedOne]

IIRC there was nothing in the japanese report concerning putting his hands down her pants. Was this part of the testimony added for dramatic effect?

Perhaps. Sometimes minds embellish when under pressure.

By the way, do you have access to the full transcript of his confession to Japanese police. I would love for you to provide a link to that as a PDF document so we can see that full report.

I still have to ask: why does anyone trust the military justice system to render fair justice when present and past cases give us a glimpse of tampering from the Pentagon with outcomes already decided for political reasons?

Were all the war trials conducted against Japanese soldiers fair? How about what is going on in Gitmo? Everything in-between is just all good and fluffy?

[vvloc]

Of course, I haven't access to a full pdf transcript. I trust that as shoddy as many feel S&S is, that they would not risk an incredibly costly libel case without being very certain that Hadnott's quoted words were correct.

" tampering from the Pentagon with outcomes"

To be quite clear about this point, I would mention that although my skepticism of the military exists, a cursory reading of my posting here reveals quite clearly that it is the lying deceiving NON-MILITARY leaders whom I hold most responsible for this dual-war travesty.

I, still maintain that Bush, Cheney, Feith, Yoo, Rove, Rice, et.al. belong on a docket at an international war crimes tribunal. THEY lied, and when the klieg lights finally shine brightly on the truth we will see that they knew they were lying and diud it for personal aggrandizement.

[DoctorP]

This thread is about Hadnott's case, not the war. If you want to discuss the war, then start a new thread.

[Old Timer]

Of course, I haven't access to a full pdf transcript. I trust that as shoddy as many feel S&S is, that they would not risk an incredibly costly libel case without being very certain that Hadnott's quoted words were correct.

" tampering from the Pentagon with outcomes"

To be quite clear about this point, I would mention that although my skepticism of the military exists, a cursory reading of my posting here reveals quite clearly that it is the lying deceiving NON-MILITARY leaders whom I hold most responsible for this dual-war travesty.

I, still maintain that Bush, Cheney, Feith, Yoo, Rove, Rice, et.al. belong on a docket at an international war crimes tribunal. THEY lied, and when the klieg lights finally shine brightly on the truth we will see that they knew they were lying and diud it for personal aggrandizement.


:eek: WTF does that have to do with the topic?

[vvloc]

:eek: WTF does that have to do with the topic?

I think in response to this question in post #20, this thread:

"I still have to ask: why does anyone trust the military justice system to render fair justice when present and past cases give us a glimpse of tampering from the Pentagon with outcomes already decided for political reasons?"

I was simply making the case that I DO trust the military justice system more than those elected and selected leaders, whom I think have a lot more say than some would believe in ALL aspects of military conduct.

[The One]

Well I think it is a good thing and Japanese locals may think that it is not a long enough sentence. But at least the American Justice system found a conviction from this. If it were left in the Okinawans hands then Hadnott would still be walking the streets of Okinawa. They would have given him a chance to strike again until they found the conviction they were looking for.

[Son Kokujin]

Either way, this dude is DONE...even thoush I'm not SOFA status, I prefer to keep to myself, just like back home. Your emotions and hormones can write checks that the rest of you can't cash. Funny enough...after all this, I'd think that there would be no more shoujo-chasers, or captain save-a-shoujo's, but I'd be willing to bet that it'll happen again...

[Muku]

That's pretty damn good considering he was never found guilty in a civil court! Usually if you are exonerated (or in his case never really charged) then the military will drop it as well. Anyone who sees this as a slap on the wrist is looking at this the wrong way.

I, for one, am glad that something came of this...hopefully the MC will fully publicize this around Okinawa to get the word out to all of the Marines...but I doubt that they will. It will be forgotten by most of the MC, until the next incident, when the press brings all this back out again!:mad:

Did you mean "civilian" court here?

Now personally anyway, I would love to see the girls family take him to "civil" court and press for damages.

[Muku]

Well I think it is a good thing and Japanese locals may think that it is not a long enough sentence. But at least the American Justice system found a conviction from this. If it were left in the Okinawans hands then Hadnott would still be walking the streets of Okinawa. They would have given him a chance to strike again until they found the conviction they were looking for.

Interesting comment here. I think that because he was military was one of the reasons that the Japanese didnt push any further. Same with the other pending case as well.

Knowing that there is still the possiblity of facing a court martial vs being totally let off scott free are two different scenarios and also knowing a little bit about the Japanese system here they took the easier route in the long run and decided to let the military authorities deal with the situation.

If anything, to me at least, this is one example of where the SOFA really worked.:thumbup1:

[Zorro]

Funny enough...after all this, I'd think that there would be no more shoujo-chasers, or captain save-a-shoujo's, but I'd be willing to bet that it'll happen again...

You have focused far too much on a side issue, and when it comes to the age of consent issue, it seems to be a favorite American past-time. The BIG issue with Hadnott was the use of force, NOT the teen age of the victim, in Japanese minds.

Had the young woman gone home happy we would most likely know nothing at all about it.

So the last part of your statement is correct: It will happen again. But your premise of what we will hear about and how big it will be is off the mark. We might hear about some underage relationship with a serviceman, but if it doesnt involve force, it will be a mere ripple. And it will take some sort of odd circumstance for us to hear about it without force. I think most parents here are not going to flip out about the relationship like many Americans would (and frankly the American tendency to flip out about teenagers and sexual relationships is completely bizzare. Understand that concern is fine. Its the knee-jerk flipping out that is bizzare)

[LooseCannon]

We might hear about some underage relationship with a serviceman, but if it doesnt involve force, it will be a mere ripple. And it will take some sort of odd circumstance for us to hear about it without force. I think most parents here are not going to flip out about the relationship like many Americans would (and frankly the American tendency to flip out about teenagers and sexual relationships is completely bizzare. Understand that concern is fine. Its the knee-jerk flipping out that is bizzare)

I think the "knee-jerk" reactions and bizzarness or lack there of in any given situation depends in large part as to who's Ox is being gored. There may be some ripples as well as some yet tsunamis to come.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Either way, this dude is DONE...

In the U.S. military certainly. However, much older men who have had sex with even younger girls (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2748&highlight=pedophile) than 14 have been respected and are respected today -- even praised.

I guess it depends on how well Hadnott markets himself from here on. He should build that marketing on lies. The bigger the better, the harder to believe the better. It's a long shot, but a billion people of the world do have a favorite pedophile they are devoted to. Hadnott just needs to spin this and turn his lemons into lemonade.

[Zorro]

I guess it depends on how well Hadnott markets himself from here on. He should build that marketing on lies. The bigger the better, the harder to believe the better.

For being accused of a serious crime, rape, and being found not guilty, Hadnott has earned some martyrdom. However, he did still use force and trickery (lying and not taking the young woman where he said he would) to molest (and even I cant give him leeway now that I know the details). That cancels out the martyrdom. Whether 15 or 50, he crossed the line too much.

The only way I see to come out ahead is if he starts recanting his confessions and saying he was forced to do it for the plea bargain. And that is possible.

[OtisPMerriweather]

I knew this was going to happen just like this...refer to this post:

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?p=98965#post98965

Military justice system outcomes are easy to predict.

[Old Timer]

I think in response to this question in post #20, this thread:

"I still have to ask: why does anyone trust the military justice system to render fair justice when present and past cases give us a glimpse of tampering from the Pentagon with outcomes already decided for political reasons?"

I was simply making the case that I DO trust the military justice system more than those elected and selected leaders, whom I think have a lot more say than some would believe in ALL aspects of military conduct.


Military just as corrupt as anything else.............

[Asshat]

Military just as corrupt as anything else.............

And completely motivated by politics first, and justice second.

[Mapit8888]

No excuse for what he did. At 38, you should have a little better street smarts. I think that 3 years is sufficient.

[Son Kokujin]

In the U.S. military certainly. However, much older men who have had sex with even younger girls (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2748&highlight=pedophile) than 14 have been respected and are respected today -- even praised.

I guess it depends on how well Hadnott markets himself from here on. He should build that marketing on lies. The bigger the better, the harder to believe the better. It's a long shot, but a billion people of the world do have a favorite pedophile they are devoted to. Hadnott just needs to spin this and turn his lemons into lemonade.

Hmm??? Now I wanna know some examples...not attacking ya, TP, but I gotta read for myself on this one...if you got any info, let me know.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Why don't ya try clicking on the underlined part of TP's post...it's a link. :old:

[Asshat]

Why don't ya try clicking on the underlined part of TP's post...it's a link. :old:

WoW eele, GREAT POST! And not unexpected.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

<3 I love you too Ass! \:-)

[Asshat]

<3 I love you too Ass! \:-)

Hang out in the skunk weed post like a regular person. He doesn't need your help, and it detracts from your eeleness.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

OK. And you stay out of public restroom stalls. I hear you have a wide stance and like tapping your feet to the music in your head...:grin1:

[Asshat]

OK. And you stay out of public restroom stalls. I hear you have a wide stance and like tapping your feet to the music in your head...:grin1:

So what are you saying eele? You can't help it? Me, I sorta like the music in my head. Wait. This must be an example of that manly discourse you refered to earlier. Bathroom talk too.

So you coming out tomorrow or what?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

It's about that Senator Craig bumper sticker you sport, sport. Nope, no drinks with crazies for me. Alcohol + barely surpressed anger = bad mojo.

[Asshat]

It's about that Senator Craig bumper sticker you sport, sport. Nope, no drinks with crazies for me. Alcohol + barely surpressed anger = bad mojo.

Let me Google search senator Craig. Meanwhile, I'll just have to attribute your fear as bad form. Seriously, the cracked ribs only hurt for a couple of weeks.

And since you are such a cuddly fella, who'd want to do anything to you? Hmm. Perhaps your experience with alcohol isn't such a friendly one eh?

Who is it you are worried about? Are you as misguided as your cohort and also chosing the wrong man? LMAO!

Unbelievbable.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Keep dancing Ass!


http://www.cagle.com/news/SenatorCraig/images/cagle070906.gif (http://cagle.com/caglecards/main.asp?image=/news/SenatorCraig/images/cagle070906.gif)

[Son Kokujin]

Just read the post...I am nearly at a loss for words on this one...but I will say that a child is just a child, and having an intimate relationship with one is just a definite no-no to me. In my own opinion, children should be nutrured, taken care of, and trained so that they can grow up to be well-adjusted adults. We all see what happens when a maladjusted adult interacts with such a proccess, at least most for the most part.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Hmm??? Now I wanna know some examples...not attacking ya, TP, but I gotta read for myself on this one...if you got any info, let me know.

Yo! SonKoku, did you click on the underlined portion that is to a link to satisfy your incredulousness at my post?

Edit to add: Oh, never mind. I see you posted right before I did.

[P_chan]

It's about that Senator Craig bumper sticker you sport, sport. Nope, no drinks with crazies for me. Alcohol + barely surpressed anger = bad mojo.

LOL are you serious? Oh what little faith you have. Fonze is long gone anyways:grin1:

[Asshat]

LOL are you serious? Oh what little faith you have. Fonze is long gone anyways:grin1:

Paranoia will destroy ya!

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=E2NyPbT2WoY

[Asshat]

LMAO! Eele, you Googled it didn't you!

[jrademacher]

The guy was with a girl that was under age. I wonder if he knew she was underage? It is hard to tell most girls' ages. Perhaps he should have asked.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Sounds like dude didn't have things straight in his own mind...

http://www.electronic-school.com/2001/06/coverstory.jpg

[jrademacher]

yeah thats not what i was getting at but its kinda funny.

[Oki alumni]

eeL ecurB, for some reason, your avatar looks like a guy twisting the top off a black coloured beer bottle. Is it just me?

-Oki Alumni

[thatguy0202]

Does anyone know the whole story? This was a major attempt to shed light on military in Okinawa. A few local friends of mine knew the family. The parents of the girl was the one pulling the strings. The girl got scared and pulled back. Did anyone question why he's not in a local prison; he's serving time in the brig. The Japanese dropped the charges, and the Marine Corps still charged him. Hmmm.. What a mystery. It just shows you how f@$ck up the military is. He didn't just pick a school girl up on the side of the road. A man picked up a girl at a bar (and yes the young girl was in a bar when they met) she screams rape, gets scared and then changes her story. The man still gets sentenced. Don't be so quick to judge. The military judicial system so flawed. Two peoples statements are evidence.

Think about that when your having a bad day!!!

[Richard Burns]

The case was bullshit. He should have walked. If the Japanese system dropped the charges that should have been the end of it.

[Richard Burns]

The UCMJ = No Justice do whatever they want and burn people guilty or not.

[Spadesy]

The UCMJ = No Justice do whatever they want and burn people guilty or not.

The UCMJ is more often than not used as a tool to protect the organization's image and/or to make an example of people who mess up. If that weren't the case, the UCMJ would directly mirror civilian laws.

[OtisPMerriweather]

Does anyone know the whole story? This was a major attempt to shed light on military in Okinawa. A few local friends of mine knew the family. The parents of the girl was the one pulling the strings. The girl got scared and pulled back. Did anyone question why he's not in a local prison; he's serving time in the brig. The Japanese dropped the charges, and the Marine Corps still charged him. Hmmm.. What a mystery. It just shows you how f@$ck up the military is. He didn't just pick a school girl up on the side of the road. A man picked up a girl at a bar (and yes the young girl was in a bar when they met) she screams rape, gets scared and then changes her story. The man still gets sentenced. Don't be so quick to judge. The military judicial system so flawed. Two peoples statements are evidence.

Think about that when your having a bad day!!!

Hmm...from all accounts I've read he picked her up at Baskin Robbins. Not to say you're wrong or anything...just saying...

[Spadesy]

Hmm...from all accounts I've read he picked her up at Baskin Robbins. Not to say you're wrong or anything...just saying...

That's what I thought too. On a motorcycle, just outside the Baskin Robbins on Gate 2 street. Thought his ride was cool, decided to tag along with him, Hadnott proceeded to chase jailbait.

[thatguy0202]

Maybe it was just Gate 2...

You all know how hard it is to judge age out here... Give the guy a break...

All the school girls need to wear a tag around their neck with a number.. Saying "I'm 14 dont touch that."

[Lowerdeez]

Maybe it was just Gate 2...

You all know how hard it is to judge age out here... Give the guy a break...

All the school girls need to wear a tag around their neck with a number.. Saying "I'm 14 dont touch that."

Hitler tried that with the Jews. Didn't turn out so good.

[Sex Wax]

Maybe it was just Gate 2...

You all know how hard it is to judge age out here... Give the guy a break...

All the school girls need to wear a tag around their neck with a number.. Saying "I'm 14 dont touch that."

http://www.clubfuji.com/Ash/ash1/No.jpg

[thatguy4]

Oh and so everyone knows a local is only of age at 20. If she is under 20 you could still end up doing time. Their parents can push that.

[Richard Burns]

Oh and so everyone knows a local is only of age at 20. If she is under 20 you could still end up doing time. Their parents can push that.


Wrong. While the age of majority is in fact 20 the age to consent to sex is 18 in Okinawa. Every prefecture sets the age of consent. May be 18, 19 or 20 depending in the law.

A weird not the national age of consent in Japan is 12.

[thatguy4]

So what happends if I pick up and 18 year old in one prefecture and we do something in another where the age is different?

[Crazysix]

Wrong. While the age of majority is in fact 20 the age to consent to sex is 18 in Okinawa. Every prefecture sets the age of consent. May be 18, 19 or 20 depending in the law.

A weird not the national age of consent in Japan is 12.

wrong
The national age of consent in Japan is 13 as specified by the Japanese Penal Code Articles 176 and 177.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#Japan
investigative reporter my ass

[Richard Burns]

So what happends if I pick up and 18 year old in one prefecture and we do something in another where the age is different?

Then your going to jail. It's the same in the states too. In Massachusetts the age of consent is 16, Florida it's 17. It differs state to state in the states too.

[Richard Burns]

wrong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#Japan
investigative reporter my ass

I hit the 2 key vice the 3 key. Darwin forbid I made a typo. I know there's a huge difference between 12 and 13.

[Crazysix]

I hit the 2 key vice the 3 key. Darwin forbid I made a typo. I know there's a huge difference between 12 and 13.

hey you are passing out bum scoop...get your shit right or STFU

[DoctorP]

I hit the 2 key vice the 3 key. Darwin forbid I made a typo. I know there's a huge difference between 12 and 13.

That's twice tonight you gave out bum info! :rolleyes:

[Richard Burns]

hey you are passing out bum scoop...get your shit right or STFU

Hold the phone. I don't think you guys know how it works around here. When RB is right he's right and when he's wrong he's still right because he's RB.

[Crazysix]

Hold the phone. I don't think you guys know how it works around here. When RB is right he's right and when he's wrong he's still right because he's RB.

RON Burns needs to know what the hell he is talking about:scratchchin:

[DoctorP]

Hold the phone. I don't think you guys know how it works around here. When RB is right he's right and when he's wrong he's still right because he's too dumb to know he's wrong.

Fixed it for ya! :thumbup1:

[Richard Burns]

Fine RB is gone til further notice. I know u people been trying to drive me away anyhow so. I'm gone maybe I'll come back maybe not.

Until next time sayonara.

[This is an official RB message / decision.]

[Tanimaga]

Fine RB is gone til further notice. I know u people been trying to drive me away anyhow so. I'm gone maybe I'll come back maybe not.

Until next time sayonara.

[This is an official RB message / decision.]

Really? Promise?

[DoctorP]

Fine RB is gone til further notice. I know u people been trying to drive me away anyhow so. I'm gone maybe I'll come back maybe not.

Until next time sayonara.

[This is an official RB message / decision.]

Really? Promise?

Invisible is not gone.:rolleyes::D

[DoctorP]

LMAO...it's the supernatural....RB groaned me after he was "gone"....OMG, someone call Ghostbusters!

[DougP]

LMAO...it's the supernatural....RB groaned me after he was "gone"....OMG, someone call Ghostbusters!

The ghost of Richard Burns haunts us....:w00t:

[P_chan]

Fine RB is gone til further notice. I know u people been trying to drive me away anyhow so. I'm gone maybe I'll come back maybe not.

Until next time sayonara.

[This is an official RB message / decision.]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/giles/bot_093008/attention_whore.jpg

[Lowerdeez]

Fine RB is gone til further notice. I know u people been trying to drive me away anyhow so. I'm gone maybe I'll come back maybe not.

Until next time sayonara.

[This is an official RB message / decision.]

the world is weeping right now...and by weeping I mean laughing.

[DougP]

lol He's still here, just in another form. :D

[happyone83]

Hitler tried that with the Jews. Didn't turn out so good.

Realy, Hitler made everyone hang a tag with their age on it around thier necks?

[happyone83]

So what happends if I pick up and 18 year old in one prefecture and we do something in another where the age is different?

The JBI(Japanese Bureau of Investigation) will track You down and prosecute You for inter-prefecture trafficing in sex;)

[Fire4Effect]

I have been completely hypnotized by that girl in DocP's signature. I can't stop watching her... What was this thread about again?