Off topic comments on the "PETA-LMAO" thread

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Lemme see if I have Crazy's position right - on the one hand, he condemns PETA for a few bad apples (assuming the Internets smear campaign is accurate). On the other hand, he insists the US military machine be exempted from any criticism, as a few bad apples are exception to the rule of the outstanding tradition of liberty and justice for all. It certainly seems inconsistent, to the point of outright hypocrisy.

[Crazysix]

Lemme see if I have Crazy's position right - on the one hand, he condemns PETA for a few bad apples (assuming the Internets smear campaign is accurate). On the other hand, he insists the US military machine be exempted from any criticism, as a few bad apples are exception to the rule of the outstanding tradition of liberty and justice for all. It certainly seems inconsistent, to the point of outright hypocrisy.
Ok what does the military have to do with PETA????? I never said the military is exempt from anything there elly, check your facts.....and as you say as long as its on google...its true :thumbup1:
AS far as hypocrisy goes, wow, you are one to call the kettle black...but it dont matter, I think I proved PETA aint all its"cracked up to be"...

[Odie]

Lemme see if I have Crazy's position right - on the one hand, he condemns PETA for a few bad apples (assuming the Internets smear campaign is accurate). On the other hand, he insists the US military machine be exempted from any criticism, as a few bad apples are exception to the rule of the outstanding tradition of liberty and justice for all. It certainly seems inconsistent, to the point of outright hypocrisy.

Even if what is presented here is a case of a few bad apples, it's still important that people be aware of it. Just like it's important for people to be aware and address military members throwing dogs off cliffs. If C6 did indeed insist that the military be exempt from criticism that still does not negate that what these members of Peta allegedly did was sad to put it lightly. If he's a hypocrite then he can join the rest of us. Most people to some extent are hypocrites or at some point have been hypocritical in their actions or words.

[Crazysix]

well in the case of PETA he could be a guardian and pet executioner /trashboy, I heard that had at least 2 openings!!!!

[vvloc]

Talk about hypocrisy! Here's the guy who openly BRAGS self-righteously about how he drowned a cat in his father's oil collection pan and he, of all people, starts an "analytical" discussion on animal rights and their groups.

Talk about self-serving ulterior motives!

[Muku]

Ok what does the military have to do with PETA????? I never said the military is exempt from anything there elly, check your facts.....and as you say as long as its on google...its true :thumbup1:AS far as hypocrisy goes, wow, you are one to call the kettle black...but it dont matter, I think I proved PETA aint all its"cracked up to be"...

Exactly C....where is the almighty moderator that would be issuing warnings on similar threads started by himself if anyone dared to make even the slightest off topic comment on his threads?

Any off topic comments should have been split off on to another thread and this one kept clean. (Oh and that includes this one as well....)

C instead of replying to these types of comments and have this wonderfully informative thread dropped into the trenches to die. Which seems to me to be the intent of the thread-jackers here, why not PM a mod of your choice and ask them to deal with this, since the one participating isnt doing anything.:thumbdown:

[Asshat]

Lemme see if I have Crazy's position right - on the one hand, he condemns PETA for a few bad apples (assuming the Internets smear campaign is accurate). On the other hand, he insists the US military machine be exempted from any criticism, as a few bad apples are exception to the rule of the outstanding tradition of liberty and justice for all. It certainly seems inconsistent, to the point of outright hypocrisy.

So you are attacking Crazy's position not the OP? Does inconsistancy, (your words) on two unrelated subjects render either subject to be without merit?

Or are you just being someone's buddy?

Tell ya what: Have your team mate quit posting sweeping generalizations on a few bad apples, and I will ask C6 to do the same.

[Isaak Brodsky]

Talk about hypocrisy! Here's the guy who openly BRAGS self-righteously about how he drowned a cat in his father's oil collection pan and he, of all people, starts an "analytical" discussion on animal rights and their groups.

Talk about self-serving ulterior motives!

Who drowned a kitty??

[Crazysix]

hey tp you never answered my question or am i and it too far below youre educational and debateing level to answer??

[Crazysix]

Talk about hypocrisy! Here's the guy who openly BRAGS self-righteously about how he drowned a cat in his father's oil collection pan and he, of all people, starts an "analytical" discussion on animal rights and their groups.

Talk about self-serving ulterior motives! heyat least i was open about what i did, i didnt take it to the dumpster and try to hide it.................no ulterior motives here just a wake up.

[P_chan]

heyat least i was open about what i did, i didnt take it to the dumpster and try to hide it.................no ulterior motives here just a wake up.

Don't feed the troll six.

http://www.untwistedvortex.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/dontfeedthetroll.jpg

[Isaak Brodsky]

Talk about hypocrisy! Here's the guy who openly BRAGS self-righteously about how he drowned a cat in his father's oil collection pan and he, of all people, starts an "analytical" discussion on animal rights and their groups.

Talk about self-serving ulterior motives!


Does this observation actually frame the full story, or are some portions not included??

[Sex Wax]

i used to shoot cats who like to sit on top of my navigator with a BB gun until they stopped...

does that make me a bad apple?

Nope...it makes you a good shot.

[vvloc]

Does this observation actually frame the full story, or are some portions not included??

Hey, look Ian, why don't you ask the guy himself? Here's a guy who throws around "sieg heil" like it's a form of greeting; and his major claims to fame seem to be drowning a (sleeping) cat, chewing off a Japanese rugby player's finger, breaking a 10 year old boy's arm in TWO places, and barfing down a lesbian's throat while kissing her.

Sounds like sociopathic behavior to me.

But then again, you'll always have those who'll defend such as "just jest," and demand that I get a life. Oh, excuse me, I gotta go watch bleach episode #XXX for the 15th time. Be back later to see how I'm doing on my approach to 7,000 posts.

Gotta wonder if these guys have ever read a book in their lives.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Hey, look Ian, why don't you ask the guy himself? Here's a guy who throws around "sieg heil" like it's a form of greeting; and his major claims to fame seem to be drowning a (sleeping) cat, chewing off a Japanese rugby player's finger, breaking a 10 year old boy's arm in TWO places, and barfing down a lesbian's throat while kissing her.

Sounds like sociopathic behavior to me.

But then again, you'll always have those who'll defend such as "just jest," and demand that I get a life. Oh, excuse me, I gotta go watch bleach episode #XXX for the 15th time. Be back later to see how I'm doing on my approach to 7,000 posts.

Gotta wonder if these guys have ever read a book in their lives.

Damn, vv! Did he say he did all those sick things? I saw a few of them, like the "sieg heil" and his ingratiating himself by making his race a butt of an ongoing joke, but not all of those ones you mentioned.

Disgusting. Utterly disgusting.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I couldn't agree with you more on these points.

You see, I'm only employing the very same sorts of tactics here that I've seen others employ in their hasty characterizations of Christianity.

One nut job who fancies himself a follower of Christ who then goes out and splatters the brains of an abortion doctor with a hunting rifle is not a Christian. Nevetheless, onlookers critical of the Christian message are quick to label Christians as nut jobs.

Thank you for calling attention to the weak reasoning sometimes used on the boards to support questionable perspectives.

@blue:

I disagree with your point that "he is NOT a Christian." He surely is (albeit a bad one, or perhaps a failing one could be accepted), but that does not mean he represents Christianity or a specific encompassing religion within Christiany.

If a PETA member throws red dye on someone, and PETA does not condone that behaviour, that does not make them any less a PETA member. They are still a PETA member, but their actions were not indicative of the practices of PETA in an official capacity. The same with the Christian who does what you said above; they are still a Christian, just that their actions do not speak of the Christian faith.

The "nut job" part is a little more complex discussion, I would say.

[DougP]

I once ate an entire planet killing all the life on it in two bites or so. Then on my way home from work I burned a couple of orphanages while drinking gasoline with a couple of schizophrenic strippers with my dog skip. Those girls just love my dog skip.

Now... might this little bit I just wrote be quoted later as a testament to my character, or lack there of? Could what I just wrote be used against me? Perhaps by anyone who actually took any of that to be the truth. My goodness Doug devoured an entire planet, what a maniacal murderous SOB!!

Perhaps it was not only in jest but to prove a point.. I dunno but eating entire planets and guzzling gas makes me rather tired.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Your point falls flat because it is absurdly impossible. No need to take it serious, Doug. But if you described some things about yourself that are quite possible, then yes, if those are rather sick things, and more than just an isolated incident, then, yes, your character should be questioned.

[TheLastDon]

People need to get a life. Go out and rape and pillage. Meet up with some people from the internet and give them a beat down in real life. Do some drugs, drive drunk, smack some hos, toss some babies out the window, kill little furry animals, and you know all those other crazy things. Because you know y'all are too serious on here.

Or just go read a book.... that's dem tings with paper and a words on dem.:argh3::argh3::argh3:

[Sex Wax]

People need to get a life. Go out and rape and pillage. Meet up with some people from the internet and give them a beat down in real life. Do some drugs, drive drunk, smack some hos, toss some babies out the window, kill little furry animals, and you know all those other crazy things. Because you know y'all are too serious on here.

Or just go read a book.... that's dem tings with paper and a words on dem.:argh3::argh3::argh3:

Right on!! Rape the Horses, Burn the Women, Steal the Villiage !!!....something like that.

[Crazysix]

Hey, look Ian, why don't you ask the guy himself? Here's a guy who throws around "sieg heil" like it's a form of greeting; and his major claims to fame seem to be drowning a (sleeping) cat, chewing off a Japanese rugby player's finger, breaking a 10 year old boy's arm in TWO places, and barfing down a lesbian's throat while kissing her.

Sounds like sociopathic behavior to me.

But then again, you'll always have those who'll defend such as "just jest," and demand that I get a life. Oh, excuse me, I gotta go watch bleach episode #XXX for the 15th time. Be back later to see how I'm doing on my approach to 7,000 posts.

Gotta wonder if these guys have ever read a book in their lives.

C6 PAPARAZZI

http://www.textually.org/picturephoning/archives/images/set2/paparazzi-5.jpg

[P_chan]

Hey, look Ian, why don't you ask the guy himself? Here's a guy who throws around "sieg heil" like it's a form of greeting; and his major claims to fame seem to be drowning a (sleeping) cat, chewing off a Japanese rugby player's finger, breaking a 10 year old boy's arm in TWO places, and barfing down a lesbian's throat while kissing her.

Sounds like sociopathic behavior to me.

But then again, you'll always have those who'll defend such as "just jest," and demand that I get a life. Oh, excuse me, I gotta go watch bleach episode #XXX for the 15th time. Be back later to see how I'm doing on my approach to 7,000 posts.

Gotta wonder if these guys have ever read a book in their lives.

Wow, it's so easy to get you out from under your bridge lately. I thought you had a thicker skin then that Captain Condescending? Wonder if I've ever read a book? Gotta wonder if you have a social life. After all, one of the only things you can do is insult others for their personal interests and beliefs. Or rag on them for their word usage and/or misspellings.

Oh and I've never seen a single episode of bleach more then once. But I am considering rewatching them someday. For now I'm watching the original gundam episodes, I've never seen all of them. Then maybe later I'll smack around my wife and burn some books because reading is for fools!

Gotta strive to live up to your expectations of us "uneducated" folk:rolleyes:.

[TheNoNamedOne]

People need to get a life. Go out and rape and pillage. Meet up with some people from the internet and give them a beat down in real life. Do some drugs, drive drunk, smack some hos, toss some babies out the window, kill little furry animals, and you know all those other crazy things. Because you know y'all are too serious on here.


More strange reasoning and shallow observations above, Don.

The forum is big enough for light or serious discussion, Don. No need to have an aversion to either one so long as members can respect the type of discussion a thread topic is. Having a serious discussion in no way means someone does not have a life, anymore than saying those who cannot have a serious discussion have no intellectual ability to do so -- or lack a life also.

Why would non serious discussion mean that that person has a life?

[DougP]

Your point falls flat because it is absurdly impossible. No need to take it serious, Doug. But if you described some things about yourself that are quite possible, then yes, if those are rather sick things, and more than just an isolated incident, then, yes, your character should be questioned.

Well, its a good thing I made it absurdly impossible. Just enough to keep me safe. I'm only guessing here but do you actually believe C6 vomited down a lesbian's throat while kissing her, chewed off a Japanese rugby player's finger, and broke a little boy's arm in two places?:ohmy: I'm a bit skeptical myself at this point. I don't recall him posting it or typing it in chat. He may have wrote that but did he actually do it? I did write my example on the extreme side to draw more attention to the point. The point being that these examples may be out of context and may not necessarily be admissions in themselves to such atrocious acts. If he had wrote that he delivered a baby in the mall and VV recalled this and repeated the exclamation would you have been quick to fire off with a "Well done!"? Or would you have held your applause until you found out the truth for yourself? Perhaps you might have been hasty with you display of disgust.

[TheLastDon]

More strange reasoning and shallow observations above, Don.

The forum is big enough for light or serious discussion, Don. No need to have an aversion to either one so long as members can respect the type of discussion a thread topic is. Having a serious discussion in no way means someone does not have a life, anymore than saying those who cannot have a serious discussion have no intellectual ability to do so -- or lack a life also.

Why would non serious discussion mean that that person has a life?

Yeah calling someone a sociopath, whatever TP.

[P_chan]

Why would non serious discussion mean that that person has a life?Being able to have a serious discussion does not equal a lack of a social life. But I was thinking more along the lines of lurking about the forums all day and only adding to the conversations once it's to jump down someone else's throat.

I enjoy a good serious conversation every now and then. More so reading then participating, unless I have something pressing to add. I'd rather hang about helping users out or joking around. Even though that makes me "uneducated" and somehow unable to read a book.

[P_chan]

I once ate an entire planet killing all the life on it in two bites or so.

Like in the transformers cartoon movie?

[Crazysix]

You forgot I burn villages, dropped napalm on orphanages and helped PETA kill the animals in question and I also marched down the Champs Elysee, with adolph while listening to run dmc, I think that about covers it

[DougP]

Like in the transformers cartoon movie?

damn wasn't even thinking of that one.. Frick Frack!! I am sooo unoriginal:D

[Crazysix]

damn wasn't even thinking of that one.. Frick Frack!! I am sooo unoriginal:D and you forgot the fantastic four...silver surfer, with the planet eater there......bad doug, bad

[dk]

More plagiarism!

[DougP]

Damn Silver Surfer too?:scared:

What about drinking gasoline with schizophrenic strippers? :( That one has to be original

[dk]

What about drinking gasoline with schizophrenic strippers? :( That one has to be original
The Simpsons did it.

[TheLastDon]

The Simpsons did it.


LMAO, Simpsons did that too. :first:

[Isaak Brodsky]

... I disagree with your point that "he is NOT a Christian." He surely is (albeit a bad one, or perhaps a failing one could be accepted), but that does not mean he represents Christianity or a specific encompassing religion within Christiany. ...

Look, I disagree with you on this one. I may, for example, have a law degree (which I don't) but practice law unethically.

My unethical behavior, if discovered, disqualifies me from practicing and, thus, calling myself a lawyer.

The same can be said of anyone who fails to abide by the ethical tenants of some organization.

If PETA condones, for example, bullying or indirectly supports other organizations that do PETA's dirty work (as some have suggested), then it is fair to say that PETA is, like Tehran, a supporter of terrorism. If the Catholic church indirectly supports the dirty work of some of its priests, then the church is also a supporter of pedophilia.

Nowhere in the Gospel is such a practice condoned. Those caught implicitly or explicitly supporting such practices cannot justifiably call themselves Catholics.

[Isaak Brodsky]

Hey, look Ian, why don't you ask the guy himself? Here's a guy who throws around "sieg heil" like it's a form of greeting; and his major claims to fame seem to be drowning a (sleeping) cat, chewing off a Japanese rugby player's finger, breaking a 10 year old boy's arm in TWO places, and barfing down a lesbian's throat while kissing her.

Sounds like sociopathic behavior to me.

But then again, you'll always have those who'll defend such as "just jest," and demand that I get a life. Oh, excuse me, I gotta go watch bleach episode #XXX for the 15th time. Be back later to see how I'm doing on my approach to 7,000 posts.

Gotta wonder if these guys have ever read a book in their lives.


Sheeeesh, did I say something to upset you?

[vvloc]

Wonder if I've ever read a book? Gotta wonder if you have a social life.

What with all the cartoons you have to keep to with and your 6790 odd (some VERY odd) posts compared to my paltry 196 (oops 197 now - gotta watch it with this guy. This is the same one who said I never said punch her in the ovaries, I said headbutt her in the ovaries), just who needs to get a life?

Hmmm, maybe I should just take a vaca in Thailand. Then I can sit in my hotel room, order pizza, and chat on JU.

LOL, and he tells others they need to get a life!

[vvloc]

Sheeeesh, did I say something to upset you?

Sorry, Ian, I really meant no offense - I was just trying to answer your question.

You really don't need to keep a log when a person says stuff like that. Ya' know, it just kinda' sticks in your head as a kinf of reminder of just the kind of person ya' hope ya' never have to meet.

[Crazysix]

Sorry, Ian, I really meant no offense - I was just trying to answer your question.

You really don't need to keep a log when a person says stuff like that. Ya' know, it just kinda' sticks in your head as a kinf of reminder of just the kind of person ya' hope ya' never have to meet.

I cant wait to meet you, i may even buy you a beer:thumbup:

[TheNoNamedOne]

I'm only guessing here but do you actually believe C6 vomited down a lesbian's throat while kissing her, chewed off a Japanese rugby player's finger, and broke a little boy's arm in two places?:ohmy: I'm a bit skeptical myself at this point. I don't recall him posting it or typing it in chat. He may have wrote that but did he actually do it?

If he wrote that, I am inclined to believe him. His threats and name-calling point to the real possibility of a character flaw that makes those things quite believable.

I did write my example on the extreme side to draw more attention to the point. The point being that these examples may be out of context and may not necessarily be admissions in themselves to such atrocious acts.

Don't conflate extreme with absurd, Doug.

If he had wrote that he delivered a baby in the mall and VV recalled this and repeated the exclamation would you have been quick to fire off with a "Well done!"? Or would you have held your applause until you found out the truth for yourself?

While I haven't agreed with vv on some things, and he has not with me on some things, I have not seen any reason to say he is deliberately putting out lies. He hasn't indulged himself in vile talk that suggests debased actions. If he vouched for something good about C6, and knowing that there is some acrimony between them, I could believe him.

Though, when actions outside the norm of what is depicted character is claimed, yes, I would be more skeptical.

Perhaps you might have been hasty with you display of disgust.

Anything is possible. Maybe C6 is the Santa Claus that hands out the Toys for Tots gifts. I hope so, but a style of behaviour displayed here tells me that is a small possibility. But I would be happy to be wrong on the point.

As scary as it is in its possibilities regarding how personalities can be masked, maybe he leads a double life. For better... or worse?

[TheNoNamedOne]

Look, I disagree with you on this one.

No problem there, Ian.

I may, for example, have a law degree (which I don't) but practice law unethically.

My unethical behavior, if discovered, disqualifies me from practicing and, thus, calling myself a lawyer.

Ian, just because someone goes against a point or two of Christian doctrine, does not mean they are not a Christian. If so, then that takes away the need for Jesus and forgiveness. When has committing sin meant someone is not a Christian anymore? This is why your analogy fails.

The same can be said of anyone who fails to abide by the ethical tenants of some organization.

Not at all, because a person who is a PETA member is still a member eventhough they do something bad -- unless they are officially thrown out of the org by the leader or from a deciding committee. In the Christian paradigm it is through only God throwing one into hell that they are completely cut from the org of Jesus Corp.

By the way, if an American kills someone in Thailand, are they still an American?

If a Marine commits a crime, at that very second are they no longer a Marine? Nonsense!

If PETA condones, for example, bullying...

Define bullying, and how is that different from legal dissent and the right to petition and protest for change?

...or indirectly supports other organizations that do PETA's dirty work (as some have suggested), then it is fair to say that PETA is, like Tehran, a supporter of terrorism.

PETA's dirty work? The connection please? The smoking gun? Tell me why PETA, if they are a supporter of terrorism, has a tax exempt status if they are terrorist supporters. Again, Ian, you are stretching to compare PETA with Tehran. Dishonest of you to do so.

If the Catholic church indirectly supports the dirty work of some of its priests, then the church is also a supporter of pedophilia.

Please take the time to build two parallel analogies or give examples in real life using the Catholic Church and PETA so we can look at them side by side to see if they match up in that comparison.

Nowhere in the Gospel is such a practice condoned. Those caught implicitly or explicitly supporting such practices cannot justifiably call themselves Catholics.[/SIZE][/FONT]

Why can't they just be bad Catholics? Again, why can't they be bad Christians i.e. their sin requires Jesus and forgiveness. Address my American and Marine point of disowning the member -- or not even disowning, but never have been.

[Crazysix]

If he wrote that, I am inclined to believe him. His threats and name-calling point to the real possibility of a character flaw that makes those things quite believable.



Don't conflate extreme with absurd, Doug.



While I haven't agreed with vv on some things, and he has not with me on some things, I have not seen any reason to say he is deliberately putting out lies. He hasn't indulged himself in vile talk that suggests debased actions. If he vouched for something good about C6, and knowing that there is some acrimony between them, I could believe him.

Though, when actions outside the norm of what is depicted character is claimed, yes, I would be more skeptical.



Anything is possible. Maybe C6 is the Santa Claus that hands out the Toys for Tots gifts. I hope so, but a style of behaviour displayed here tells me that is a small possibility. But I would be happy to be wrong on the point.

As scary as it is in its possibilities regarding how personalities can be masked, maybe he leads a double life. For better... or worse?
yes ive done some wild things in my life what does that have to do with PETA being a fraud? attempted character assassination does nothing more than show that you have no argument.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Looks like more confirmation, Doug -- straight from the man. lol.

[Muku]

yes ive done some wild things in my life what does that have to do with PETA being a fraud? attempted character assassination does nothing more than show that you have no argument.

C I hope you realize that your off shoot thread here is in dire threat of being over taken and buried under a mountain of meaningless text.:rolleyes:

Let this one go and stick to the main one, it's more fun there then reading all of this..........:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Crazysix]

yeah tp obviously has nothing better to do than be a troll and bring up old rehashes in attempt to discredit my point thru past actions, instead showing evidence to the contrary. Yeah post what you will but it doesnt change the fact that PETA bullies companies, brainwashes it members to the point of cruelty, and supports domestic terrorism.

[TheNoNamedOne]

yeah tp obviously has nothing better to do than be a troll and bring up old rehashes in attempt to discredit my point thru past actions,...

Your actions discredit yourself, C6.

Yeah post what you will but it doesnt change the fact that PETA bullies companies,...

C6, what is the difference between "bullying" and legal dissent and protest, and the right to petition private and governments for change?

...brainwashes it members to the point of cruelty, ...

I think Patty Hearse who was kidnapped by the SLA decades ago, as she was kept blindfolded in a closet during brainwashing techniques qualifies to the point of cruelty.

...and supports domestic terrorism.

Reputable source? Why hasn't the U.S. government caught them? Are they, the FBI, CIA, and armed forces so stupid as to not know where their head office is? Hell, I can find it on GoogleEarth.

[TheLastDon]

Reputable source? Why hasn't the U.S. government caught them? Are they, the FBI, CIA, and armed forces so stupid as to not know where their head office is? Hell, I can find it on GoogleEarth.

Yeah why doesn't the government catch all the criminals? I wonder why?

[Isaak Brodsky]

Ian, just because someone goes against a point or two of Christian doctrine, does not mean they are not a Christian. If so, then that takes away the need for Jesus and forgiveness. When has committing sin meant someone is not a Christian anymore? This is why your analogy fails.

I can understand why you’d say this. I mean we must take into account the fact that people in positions of power have the best chance of applying labels to others and making those labels stick. One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist. I should say that I was using the term Christian in the strictest sense - like Paul the Apostle arguing to his fellow Jews that real Jews are those internally whose hearts had been circumcised by the Holy Spirit. If you accept my point here about the stipulated definition, then I think the analogy holds.

Not at all, because a person who is a PETA member is still a member even though they do something bad -- unless they are officially thrown out of the org by the leader or from a deciding committee. In the Christian paradigm it is through only God throwing one into hell that they are completely cut from the org of Jesus Corp..

Those who agree to the precepts of an organization must abide by those precepts. Religions, a number of social organizations, and the legal profession expect their members to adhere to certain ethical codes. Broken codes don’t always afford the code breaker the opportunity to call himself or herself x.

By the way, if an American kills someone in Thailand, are they still an American?

This isn’t an equivalent example, unless you have a special definition of “American.” Americans don’t typically sign up to defend Americanism in foreign lands. Ordinary American citizens aren’t sent into harm’s way to defend American ideals.

If a Marine commits a crime, at that very second are they no longer a Marine? Nonsense!

This is a good example, but the opposite can be better argued. You’ve likely heard of behaviour unbecoming a “Marine,” “Sailor,” “Soldier” or “Airman.” Those convicted of such behaviour are subject to being ostracized from the community – or imprisoned. These individuals are, effectually, no longer Marines, Sailors, Soldiers or Airmen.

Define bullying, and how is that different from legal dissent and the right to petition and protest for change?

Bullying is a form of intimidation and coercion – an unethical appeal to force. Some prosecutors construe it as threat – which is unlawful. Some prosecutors construe it as assault and/or battery – which are also unlawful. Dissent is legal when it’s peaceful.

PETA's dirty work? The connection please? The smoking gun? Tell me why PETA, if they are a supporter of terrorism, has a tax exempt status if they are terrorist supporters. Again, Ian, you are stretching to compare PETA with Tehran. Dishonest of you to do so.

If the “evidence” presented in those youtube clips can be substantiated, then the comparative stretch from Tehran to PETA is not too far. It has been suggested that PETA has funnelled funds to a “homegrown” terrorist found to have been responsible for the violent destruction of public property. It has also been suggested that Tehran has funnelled funds to Hamas, a terrorist organization responsible for the destruction of property and people. I admit that the two examples aren’t perfectly analogous as one organization is looking to liberate humans from some perceived form of tyranny while the other is looking to liberate animals from some perceived form of tyranny.

Why can't they just be bad Catholics? Again, why can't they be bad Christians i.e. their sin requires Jesus and forgiveness. Address my American and Marine point of disowning the member -- or not even disowning, but never have been.

As I offered the example earlier, sure the members of an organization can be deemed “bad,” but their claim to membership will invariably rest in the hands of those who aren’t “bad.” Not everyone is as forgiving Christ.:D

[Crazysix]

Your actions discredit yourself, C6.



C6, what is the difference between "bullying" and legal dissent and protest, and the right to petition private and governments for change?



I think Patty Hearse who was kidnapped by the SLA decades ago, as she was kept blindfolded in a closet during brainwashing techniques qualifies to the point of cruelty.



Reputable source? Why hasn't the U.S. government caught them? Are they, the FBI, CIA, and armed forces so stupid as to not know where their head office is? Hell, I can find it on GoogleEarth.


ok my actions have nothing to do with whats was said nor did i attack you, to answer your second question , there is a big difference ,the latter two terms very rarely involve, attempted murder, destruction of property or even threats much less kill innocent animals to prove a point.

What does Patty Hearst have to do with anything, is she PETA supporter.

Thirdly as far your organization being listed with these other domestic terrorist groups and not being shut down..as I recall its not illegal to be a member of anything KKK, Nazis ect., until the individuals actions cause s response from law enforcement.... you do remember freedom of speech , pursuit of happpiness ect unless these are terms you only use to benefit tyour sad argument

[Bones]

One of the things that I've always found wrong with a thread like this, is having a poster switch sides after having committed all of those things himself. They did the right thing in their own minds, at the time, switched sides, and that will lead to their "Salvation".

What really irritates me, is their view of "switching sides", and then condemning everyone else out there to Hell, due to the fact that we refuse to convert to the side of their beliefs.

Once they've converted, their side, is the only one path to salvation.

It's not about religion for the most part, it's about how they've changed their lives in accordance to those of their social peers and, how they get accepted by their new friends.

People say a lot of things on a chat page. They want to fit in with the latest trends. But if they actually make those changes, and it conflicts with their life style, they'll revert back to their old ways of doing things in private.

I got set in my ways 19 years ago. Had to make some changes, and here I am. It's a good thing, as far as I'm concerned. Nobody to blame but myself.

Retired, a family that loves me, in the place that I dreamed of retiring as a young service member.

Life is good.

Bones

[TheNoNamedOne]

I should say that I was using the term Christian in the strictest sense - like Paul the Apostle arguing to his fellow Jews that real Jews are those internally whose hearts had been circumcised by the Holy Spirit. If you accept my point here about the stipulated definition, then I think the analogy holds.

I think today's real Jews will not agree with you on the point of Paul's declarations.

Those who agree to the precepts of an organization must abide by those precepts. Religions, a number of social organizations, and the legal profession expect their members to adhere to certain ethical codes. Broken codes don’t always afford the code breaker the opportunity to call himself or herself x.

They should abide, but the second they do not, does NOT automatically preclude them from claiming membership.

This is a good example, but the opposite can be better argued. You’ve likely heard of behaviour unbecoming a “Marine,” “Sailor,” “Soldier” or “Airman.” Those convicted of such behaviour are subject to being ostracized from the community – or imprisoned. These individuals are, effectually, no longer Marines, Sailors, Soldiers or Airmen.

Often, even if rules are broken, charged, fined, demoted, they still retain their title within the org. You see? This goes to my point of "automatic" revocation of membership. It just simply is not so.



Bullying is a form of intimidation and coercion – an unethical appeal to force. Some prosecutors construe it as threat – which is unlawful. Some prosecutors construe it as assault and/or battery – which are also unlawful. Dissent is legal when it’s peaceful.

It could be a fine line, Ian, but in all the years PETA has been around, since the early 80's, as an org, can you give us any examples of a prosecutor having prosecuted and won a case against PETA for bullying i.e. an unethical appeal to force (but your point implies there are ethical uses of force)? Accusations are deserving of evidence, aren't they?

How unjust it was for Pilate to smite Jesus without bringing forth the evidence, of which Jesus protested against. Where is your evidence, and if none, then why do you keep giving wind to the sails with the "if the accusations.... in the thread are correct..." kind of verbage? That simply lends power to the mob, when you, too, should be more just and asking for reputable sources rather than entertaining accusations.

I think you have a dear example you hold close to your heart to follow. I am wondering why you do not.



If the “evidence” presented in those youtube clips can be substantiated, then the comparative stretch from Tehran to PETA is not too far. ....

And in the meantime, until that is, i.e. while it has not been substantiated, or you have not examined the whole context of that, you entertain the thought of guilt with comments supporting that without evidence and further clarification? Not to mention asking some pointed questions that would make those suspicions grow? I don't think you are being a fair jurist in good faith, Ian.

Some are crucified when a rush to judgement is allowed. Some of your comments in the other thread have you with the mob, rather than a jurist asking the important questions to the accusers.

[dk]

The mob? How many participants are there in that other thread?

[P_chan]

What with all the cartoons you have to keep to with and your 6790 odd (some VERY odd) posts compared to my paltry 196 (oops 197 now - gotta watch it with this guy. This is the same one who said I never said punch her in the ovaries, I said headbutt her in the ovaries), just who needs to get a life?

Hmmm, maybe I should just take a vaca in Thailand. Then I can sit in my hotel room, order pizza, and chat on JU.

LOL, and he tells others they need to get a life!

Thanks for living up to my expectations as an e stalker! The only reason I say you need to get a life is because all you can do is try to insult people with your petty BS! Sure you do add to some conversations and I do agree with you from time to time. But the only responses you ever make to me are sad attempts at trying to make me look foolish for my personal interests or something I do in my personal life. Should I explain it to you once last time?

Cartoons: I only watch them about once a week, if that. New episodes of bleach don't come out everyday. If you would have done your research (or stalked me a bit more) you would have known that ;). Sure I'm trying to watch a little gundam right now. But between classes, studying, family, scuba, and hard reef I'm lucky if I get to watch two episodes a week. But hey, I'm still a retard for watching cartoons:rolleyes:

Post count: It means absolutely nothing! Especially since I just explained that a majority of my posts are of a joking nature. How about explaining why you lurk about the forums all day? Invisible I might add. But I don't call you out on that whenever you post in a thread. I ignore you a majority of the time! The only time I reply to your posts is once you make a jab at me. Shit, how else would everybody know about my huge e-penis unless I have a really high post count?

Headbutt to the ovaries: Simple answer for this one! It's called satire! It's also a reference to a very funny book (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=754) I was reading at the time! Hey look! I can read! It just has to be something dumbed down to my level:rolleyes:.

Thailand: I wasn't on vacation, I was at work. I still managed to go out a lot and have a good time! Got to ride elephants though the jungle and see one end of the ancient Khmer highway at Phimai! Oh and those nights where I stayed home and ordered pizza guess what I was doing? TALKING TO MY WIFE!!!! What would you rather I do? Go out to the club and pick up some thai girls like most of the other young guys? I'd say 80% of the time once I got off work I went out to eat or ventured around town.

Yes......I am such a loser:thumbup:

[dk]

P_chan, you really don't need to explain yourself. You do not need to live up to vvloc's standards.

[P_chan]

Yeah I know, but now it's all out in the open now. So everyone can read it and stalk me on equal footing with vvloc.:D Oh and so everyone can see what a loser I am:(. I think I'll go kick my dog and burn some more books.

[Crazysix]

Yeah I know, but now it's all out in the open now. So everyone can read it and stalk me on equal footing with vvloc.:D Oh and so everyone can see what a loser I am:(. I think I'll go kick my dog and burn some more books.

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper1022/stills/8542qq7e.jpg http://content.ytmnd.com/content/f/e/1/fe143183be4a6c4e0b8bb7f6bddab756.jpg
I just wanted to provide you with some visual references , to put with the term e stalker.

[vvloc]

[QUOTE=P_chan;104946It's also a reference to a very funny book (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=754) I was reading at the time! [/QUOTE]

Point well taken, p.

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6859&postcount=1

You read a book! And you even liked it, "especially the part about how meat tastes better once it's tortured . . ."

I'll have to pay more respect to your sophisticated sense of humor.

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There are four types of men in this world: 1. The man who knows, and knows that he knows; he is wise, so consult him. 2. The man who knows, but doesn't know that he knows; help him not forget what he knows. 3. The man who knows not, and knows that he knows not; teach him. 4. Finally, there is the man who knows not but pretends that he knows; he is a fool, so avoid him.

Food (untortured) for thought.

[P_chan]

Point well taken, p.

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6859&postcount=1

You read a book! And you even liked it, "especially the part about how meat tastes better once it's tortured . . ."

I'll have to pay more respect to your sophisticated sense of humor.

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There are four types of men in this world: 1. The man who knows, and knows that he knows; he is wise, so consult him. 2. The man who knows, but doesn't know that he knows; help him not forget what he knows. 3. The man who knows not, and knows that he knows not; teach him. 4. Finally, there is the man who knows not but pretends that he knows; he is a fool, so avoid him.

Food (untortured) for thought.

And I'll have to take your condescending nature and your penchant for looking down on others into consideration once I'm addressing you. Thanks for the lesson that I obviously didn't need.

Might I suggest you ponder the hidden meanings behind this image? I think you need too, because you seem to take interactions on the interwebz way to serious.

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/internet-24591.jpg

Now off to read another book! Maybe I should read my copies of Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil and The Anti-Christ. I'll admit I have a really hard time following them so I gave up on them last time I made an attempt.

[dk]

There are four types of men in this world: 1. The man who knows, and knows that he knows; he is wise, so consult him. 2. The man who knows, but doesn't know that he knows; help him not forget what he knows. 3. The man who knows not, and knows that he knows not; teach him. 4. Finally, there is the man who knows not but pretends that he knows; he is a fool, so avoid him.

Food (untortured) for thought.
Reminds me of the management we had at a company I used to work for that would often teach us the importance of walking the walk rather than talking the talk but whom for the life of him could not ever, EVER accomplish anything he'd set out to do for the company. All he'd ever do is talk or belittle. You're not him are you?

Because that guy didn't bring jack shit to the table.

Important lesson you've pointed out. Which one are you?

[DoctorP]

If he wrote that, I am inclined to believe him. His threats and name-calling point to the real possibility of a character flaw that makes those things quite believable.


I invented the internet! :thumbup: (or was it Al Gore?) Now you have a dilemma! Who to believe?

[TheNoNamedOne]

The mob? How many participants are there in that other thread?

I think about 15, dk. Perhaps 10 to 12 seem to be with the PETA jeering that I was pointing out to Ian as a mob.

Participants of as few as 5 or 10 have been referred to as a mob:

The County of Ripley (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9B04E7D81F39E433A2575BC1A96F9C94 669ED7CF), in the State of Indiana, is provoking general denunciation, in Indiana and out of it, in consequence of the summary hanging by a mob of five men who had not committed capital crimes.

or

This bunch at the Shell station (http://www.westword.com/2006-07-13/news/rocket-men/2) is definitely one of the less organized. Now a mob of ten or fifteen riders splits and heads for a Sonic drive-in on Federal. The crew cruises through a yellow light as it turns red, and a cop car follows, ...

[dk]

Hmm, what I saw reminded me more of a drive-by egging.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Hmm, what I saw reminded me more of a drive-by egging.

lol. Can't mobs egg?

[dk]

lol. Can't mobs egg?
I suppose, if you rent a bus.

[Muku]

Crazy if we are to believe :rolleyes: and accept TP's arguments that your participation or discussion in this topic about the actions of PETA should not be listened to or are somehow tainted due to previous posts here about alleged actions that you took or participated in makes you somehow guilty of injuring or abusing fellow humans or animals then EVERYONE here should be making the assumption that The Prosecutor is blameless and sinless and is in fact the 3rd coming of the savior, or 2nd coming depending upon which religion you choose to believe in.:barf: :rolleyes:

I guess only people that have never sinned or injured, an animal, or person, here are allowed to comment. Taking that a step further, to me at least, that makes TP come across as a hypocrite as well because he has openly :rolleyes: admitted to being a meat eater in the past.

So he is guilty of murdering an animal, or having it murdered for his sustenance and nutrition. That also means that he is no longer qualified to comment upon issues such as this and if he does he should be forever labelled a hypocrite. :rolleyes:

Oh and dont let him fool you with his use of the term "the mob" , he has his own little "mob" as well here....:rolleyes:

[Crazysix]

not only that he openly admits he has pets for his own personal enjoyment..."fish ponds, Dogs ect" He also states that a person cant change there life because of things they have done in the past....well he is a living walking Hypocrite..." I use to eat meat and now Im a vegan that supports PETA" wowIm sure there are many many more things also but he keeps those close guarded