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[Isaak Brodsky]

All right now. Since the dust has settled on the lockdown issue and Hadnott has become a somewhat vague figure in recent history, did he or did he not rape that fourteen-year-old.

I sat in a lecture today and listened as one local activist from some women's group referred to the recent rape as though it were a definite part of history, like the assaults on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

My impression of what I have gleaned from local media is that Hadnott had not (play unintended) actually violated or otherwise penetrated that young lady.

I arrived at this conclusion simply because of the fact that charges against him from the girl's family and the public prosecutor were dropped.

Have I been smokin' crack these past few months or has Hadnott since found his way through the Japanese judicial system??????????

Can someone please enlighten me with some article that best captures the state of affairs regarding the Hadnott case??

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

My impression of what I have gleaned from local media is that Hadnott had not (play unintended) actually violated or otherwise penetrated that young lady.

I arrived at this conclusion simply because of the fact that charges against him from the girl's family and the public prosecutor were dropped.

Have I been smokin' crack these past few months or has Hadnott since found his way through the Japanese judicial system??????????

Are you using the dropped charges as your sole/main reason to reach that conclusion?

You are of course aware of this:

under Japanese law, prosecutors do not have the control over whether they make the accusation or not in rape cases, but victims do. It’s called shinkoku zai (an offense subject to prosecution only on complaint from the victim). So, even if there was firm evidence to prove that the crime has happened, it doesn’t matter unless the victim wants to make an accusation. In many cases the victims drop charges because they are afraid of being embarrassed or victimized by the other parties. In this case, according to the news, she was hurt by the harsh comments toward her all over on the internet.

http://japundit.com/archives/2008/03/04/7995/

[BleuEneG]

That girl was not raped.

[P_chan]

That girl was not raped.

How do you know that? Are you Mrs. Cleo? Because that would be the only way we will ever know if she was really raped or not.

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Call me now for your free psychic reading!

[Bajanguy]

even though the prosecutor could not proceed without the victim saying so, i would like to know if they had evidence that it did or didn't occur. That way if it did happen and she didn't want to go true with it he could still be prosecuted by the military..

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Is the military not pursuing their own investigation? In such cases, do the Japanese police not cooperate and/or share evidence?

[P_chan]

No one will ever know what really happened on that day. Well, except for the two individuals involved. But I'm sure either way, she is a whore and was asking for it:rolleyes:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

P-chan: know any JAG-type folks? I'm kinda curious if the military is still pursuing an it's own investigation, and if they do in fact receive cooperation or evidence sharing from the J-police in these situations...

[DoctorP]

Only two people know what happened. Everything else is speculation on everyones part! Of course my speculation is that she was not raped.

[P_chan]

Don't know any JAGs. Kinda wish I did! I'm still curious as to what has become of the case as well. As far as sharing evidence, I'm clueless in that department too. I'd imagine that sharing evidence would be the smart thing to do, but we are talking about the military here.

[DoctorP]

P-chan: know any JAG-type folks? I'm kinda curious if the military is still pursuing an it's own investigation, and if they do in fact receive cooperation or evidence sharing from the J-police in these situations...

This is what I truly hate about the military. They should be completely forthcoming and open with the community so that everyone knows what is going on. :cursing:

[perfect10]

That girl was not raped.

You must be lucky to never have anything like this happen to you. Do you have any idea how hard it is to face all the questions, the person that raped you at a trial, the thought that it must be your fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I can't say if she was or was not raped. However knowing what it is like to face all of this at a much older age then this poor child and feel like backing out I understand how if she was truely rape how hard it must of been on her.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Well, the J-police, with their over-reliance on extracting confessions, are not exactly world CSI leaders or anything. If the victim's experience was anything like the case in the rape article Muku "borrowed" from JapanToday, then it's could well be the cops screwed up along with the victim dropping the complaint.

[Asshat]

Yeah, if I were a woman in this country I would not want to report I was raped. And in this case, "I" got the impression her family didn't want to deal with the notariaty, Doesnt say shit to me about guilt or innocense.

[Son Kokujin]

Was this 14 year old girl raped? I don't believe so, but no one will really ever know...you are really dealing with two governments that are rather adept at sweeping things under the rug. What REALLY pisses me off is that a 39-year-old American just should have been more wary, given where he is (Okinawa) and what he was getting himself into. Myself, I am still counting my lucky stars that I am in a decent relationship, and that even when I was single, I just wanted to be left alone with my wallet intact, thank you very much. Look ath the mess that has happened and the field day that the predujuced politicians, activists, media, and mindless, gossip-gobbling masses have had with this and so many other incidents. Forget the fact that the locals commit crimes here, too...as foreigners, we all have to mind our P's and Q's constantly (Corps Values, people!)...as they say in the Marines,

"If you don't cover your six...your ass is in a fix!"

[BleuEneG]

You must be lucky to never have anything like this happen to you. Do you have any idea how hard it is to face all the questions, the person that raped you at a trial, the thought that it must be your fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I can't say if she was or was not raped. However knowing what it is like to face all of this at a much older age then this poor child and feel like backing out I understand how if she was truely rape how hard it must of been on her.


I hear your point P10 and yes it sucks whatever really did happen either way because it involves a young girl. So perhaps my post was harsh.

Rape is a strong word to describe a serious crime. I don't take it lightly. That is why it angers me when women cry rape when no actual rape occured. It happens more often than not. If a woman allows herself to be in an unsafe postition with a man she needs to take some responsibility for that.

And as far as me being lucky and having any idea how hard being forced against your will is to face .,..well lets just say I have learned from my mistake. I grew up. If I were a 14 year old that got into the van of a 38 year old stranger I would hope I would learn from that very big mistake and pass that on to my daughter. Not a wise thing to do.

[perfect10]

I am sorry if I come acrossed harsh it is just the way I write. I am not trying to be harsh just direct. I cannot judge from what I have read if the girl was or not. There are always questions in my head like how well did they do a rape kit, if they did one at all? How much pressure did they put on the girl during the interview?

I just cannot see how someone can say that a lot of women yell rape and were not I have worked and lectured with the groups that I have attached web sites for. I know that there are more unreported rapes then false reported ones. I have seen more times then not the women calling rape were. You do realize that most rapes are preformed by someone the individual knows or has met at least once in there lives.... I grew up down the road from my attacker his family and mine were very close.

My daughter is 14 and worry everyday about her and I work very hard on making sure that nothing like this ever happens to her. I try to keep her and her friends informed.

http://www.rapevictimadvocates.org/
http://www.rainn.org/

[BleuEneG]

I am sorry if I come acrossed harsh it is just the way I write. I am not trying to be harsh just direct. I cannot judge from what I have read if the girl was or not. There are always questions in my head like how well did they do a rape kit, if they did one at all? How much pressure did they put on the girl during the interview?

I just cannot see how someone can say that a lot of women yell rape and were not I have worked and lectured with the groups that I have attached web sites for. I know that there are more unreported rapes then false reported ones. I have seen more times then not the women calling rape were. You do realize that most rapes are preformed by someone the individual knows or has met at least once in there lives.... I grew up down the road from my attacker his family and mine were very close.

My daughter is 14 and worry everyday about her and I work very hard on making sure that nothing like this ever happens to her. I try to keep her and her friends informed.

http://www.rapevictimadvocates.org/
http://www.rainn.org/

well keep doing what you are doing because God knows there is a need for it. Empowering our young women as they grow into adults to do all they can to prevent themselves from being victims is something I respect.

I am sure you know more than I do about the overall stats on rape but I am just going by what I have seen. I even had a friend in college who told me a guy I worked along side with raped her. This man was a mentor to me and when she told me this it blew my mind. I confronted him straight on because I had to know what the hell really happened. Long story short I don't believe she really got raped because she just let it go.

[perfect10]

I have had to talk to people that they told their friend they were raped and there friend brought them to our meetings. They just did not want it getting out that they had sex with that person and wanted to come out on top. They never brought it to the police attention so it was not too big of a deal but it is screwed up the some women do that for attention. When there is a real problem out there that they are using for there benefit.

[Isaak Brodsky]

Many thanx to all for weighing in on my earlier questions. What I'm gathering at this point is that the issue of whether a rape had actually ocurred or not remains shrouded in mystery.

Apart from the trauma caused to both sides by media speculation and the public's outcry, the fact remains that we are all free to talk about the incident in terms of what we "believe" happened rather than what actually happened.

This kind of ongoing ambiguity, I imagine, will lead to further mistrust and contempt for Americans in general on this island.

I agree with Doc P's earlier point that the military's judicial arm should apprise the public of what exactly is going on with this Hadnott character so that suspicion on both sides can be cleared up.

[badkitty]

Is dude even on island????

[NotSoAverageWife]

You must be lucky to never have anything like this happen to you. Do you have any idea how hard it is to face all the questions, the person that raped you at a trial, the thought that it must be your fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I can't say if she was or was not raped. However knowing what it is like to face all of this at a much older age then this poor child and feel like backing out I understand how if she was truely rape how hard it must of been on her.

This is kinda where I stand on it. I know how that feels.....so I can't bring myself to say it did or did not happen.

[Hollarey]

No one will ever know what really happened on that day. Well, except for the two individuals involved. But I'm sure either way, she is a whore and was asking for it:rolleyes:

WOw...was asking for it??

[DougP]

From what I hear(working on getting an exact reference right now) He has been charged with two violations of Article 120 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, including rape of a child under 16 and abusive sexual contact with a child under the age of 16; one violation of Article 107, specifically making a false official statement; and two violations of Article 134, including adultery and kidnapping through inveigling. The exact date for the Court martial has not been determined yet.

[perfect10]

If they can't get him on forced rape charges they can get him on stachatory rape...

Statutory rape refers to a sexual act that is considered rape by the law regardless of whether it was coercive or consensual. Such laws are common and exist in order to prevent adults from having sex with minors who are deemed legally unable to give effective informed consent.

Sexual activity involving a person below the age of consent is often known as statutory rape although some jurisdictions prefer terms such as "unlawful sexual intercourse" to avoid the forcible connotation of the word.

[DougP]

lol ok hope you weren't holding your breath. The reference I was referring to is none other than... http://www.japanupdate.com/?id=8603 I saw the info somewhere else, should have been looking in my own backyard I suppose. :w00t:
Charges have been referred against U.S. Marine Staff Sgt. Tyrone L. Hadnott, who has been charged with several violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice in connection with the alleged rape of a 14-year-old Okinawan female on Feb. 10.
As a result of a Marine Corps investigation, 3rd Marine Division Commanding General, Maj. Gen. Robert B. Neller, referred charges against Staff Sgt. Tyrone L. Hadnott to a General Court-Martial on April 21, 2008.
Staff Sgt. Tyrone L. Hadnott has been charged with two violations of Article 120 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, including rape of a child under 16 and abusive sexual contact with a child under the age of 16; one violation of Article 107, specifically making a false official statement; and two violations of Article 134, including adultery and kidnapping through inveigling.
The above are merely accusations. The accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty and has the right to a fair and impartial trial.
Court-martial dates have not yet been determined.

[Muku]

Is it possible to join the two threads about this case?

Marine charged...... (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5599)

[P_chan]

WOw...was asking for it??

That was a sarcastic statement.