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TheNoNamedOne
04-17-2008, 01:24 PM
What's a U.S. Catholic to do these days? Even their own leader half a world away is not happy with their independent pick and choose style, in addition to blaming U.S. society for bringing Catholicism and all religions down to the lowest denominator.

Pope says U.S. society can undermine Catholic faith (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080417/us_nm/pope_usa_secularism_dc)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Pope Benedict tempered his praise for American religious tolerance on Wednesday with a warning that U.S. society can quietly undermine Catholicism by reducing all faiths to a lowest common denominator. ...

The "American brand of secularism," he said, "can subtly reduce religious belief to a lowest common denominator."

He also seems to feel that the tolerance of picking and choosing creates a "civil religion" but then that is superficiality.

The speech to nine U.S. cardinals and 350 bishops, his main opportunity to speak to leaders of his Church in America, revealed a deeper level of concern Benedict has about a superficial religiosity sometimes called "civil religion."

Er... ok. So U.S. Catholics should be uncivil? God forbid they give up their superficiality!

And...

The pope said part of the problem was that American Catholics had left the "ghetto" of Catholic culture that reinforced religious practice among the immigrant communities that long made up the bulk of the faithful.

Translation: Catholic Peers and extended family members are not always around to exert religious pressure to conform to their doctrines.

"The Church in America," Benedict said, "is faced with the challenge of recapturing the Catholic vision of reality and presenting it, in an engaging and imaginative way, to a society which markets any number of recipes for human fulfillment."

Reality? Imaginative way? Hmmm...

There really is Something About Mary (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2713&highlight=whore).

afansi
04-19-2008, 10:26 PM
I don't think the ex-Cardinal Ratzinger has much of a right to lecture anyone on religious tolerance.

Before he became pope he described Buddhism as "an autoerotic spirituality."

After becoming Pope Benedict XVI, he referred to Islam in the following terms:

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman ..."

afansi
04-19-2008, 10:56 PM
I should have added that nobody listens to him in Italy and Spain, the most Catholic countries in Europe which have the lowest birthrates on the continent, precisely because they "pick and choose."

Protestant missionaries used to have their own crazy ideas - for instance that the Catholics cleft the Devil's foot.

At the same time, though, their more partisan congregations back home had a slogan that still resonates today:

"Fvck the Pope!"

proudtobnotpc
04-20-2008, 10:19 AM
I should have added that nobody listens to him in Italy and Spain, the most Catholic countries in Europe which have the lowest birthrates on the continent, precisely because they "pick and choose."

Protestant missionaries used to have their own crazy ideas - for instance that the Catholics cleft the Devil's foot.

At the same time, though, their more partisan congregations back home had a slogan that still resonates today:

"Fvck the Pope!"

dude you are so full of sh*t its not funny, please take your self else were:army:

afansi
04-20-2008, 01:51 PM
dude you are so full of sh*t its not funny, please take your self else were:army:

I'm sorry to upset you.

I thought the anti-pc movement was all about championing freedom of speech.

Ratzinger (aka Pope Benedict XVI) richly deserves his nickname, "God's Rottweiler."

I don't know whether you share his view, expressed in 1992, that homosexuality is, "an intrinsic moral evil."

Or whether you would agree with his advice to African Catholics facing the AIDS pandemic that condoms are, "morally unacceptable."

Of course, though, you would champion his right to say these non-pc things.

As a champion of free speech, though, I'm sure that, unlike Pope Benedict XVI, if you were Pope you wouldn't silence and fire members of the clergy who say pc things like, "I'm on the side of the poor."

As an enemy of liberation theology, this is precisely what Ratzinger did in the 1980s.

There are some good Catholics in the world, but Ratzinger is not one of them.

TheNoNamedOne
04-20-2008, 02:24 PM
I'm sorry to upset you.

I thought the anti-pc movement was all about championing freedom of speech.

Damn...proud, with your name being proudtonotbepc, geesh... you have to give credit where credit is due, and admit -- Afansi dinged you good on that, and rightfully so.

But we're still cool, right? lol.

Doomrider
04-21-2008, 11:57 AM
Yowza. Afansi delivered some very fine points and also laid some pipe to pc. Some damn fine posting going on here.