He's not American but they got curfew anyway.....

[Muku]

THe confessed suspect in the Yokosuka Taxi murder case....

This one has been all over the news, here is something people here should take a moment to think about as it reinforces the FACT that Japanese for the most part and Okinawan's as well don't hate American's they hate the military.

The guy that has confessed to the murder...here's the headline

Police arrest U.S. serviceman over cabby's slaying (http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200804030290.html)

THE ASAHI SHIMBUN


YOKOHAMA--Police on Thursday arrested a U.S. Navy serviceman suspected of robbing and murdering a taxi driver on March 19 apparently after a failed credit card transaction.

Olatunbosun Ugbogu has admitted to Kanagawa prefectural police that he fatally stabbed Masaaki Takahashi, 61, saying he heard voices ordering him to "kill someone,'' sources said.

The sailor, a 22-year-old Nigerian national who has been in the custody of the U.S. Navy, was transferred to the Kanagawa prefectural police's Yokosuka station on Thursday.



Notice that the newspaper put the military part first and his nationality second?

It is a sublte but obvious point that the people here that are bitching about the Okinawan's bitching at the American's about this and that should sit up and listen to.

Listen up people that bitched so much about the Okinawan's and Japanese saying that they hate American's.....you are wrong, just like I an others here told you, they dont hate you as an American, they hate the Military.

[silviasichigo]

(JUST SAYING) maybe it is that particular writer/ editor combo that thought hey why don't we do this?.....Because I sure Like Bobby and he is Nigerian and so is this guy... hehe just saying

I know that they do not hate Americans...if you took the Japanese population in the states and tried to fit it back into japan it just wouldn't happen with out making more land........you know like Mihama that wasn't here when I got here....

[DougP]

Notice that the newspaper put the military part first and his nationality second?

It is a sublte but obvious point that the people here that are bitching about the Okinawan's bitching at the American's about this and that should sit up and listen to.

Listen up people that bitched so much about the Okinawan's and Japanese saying that they hate American's.....you are wrong, just like I an others here told you, they dont hate you as an American, they hate the Military.

Not that I don't believe that someone can come to this kind of foregone conclusion from one newspaper article but didn't you just make a blanket statement about Okinawans hating the military and not the US.

Come to think about didn't they put U.S. short for united states before the military part (branch)? LOL:first: Just throwing that out there.:D

I know it may just be a hatred of the military that fuels this but the unfortunate reality is that often the being an American and being in the military go hand in hand over here. For instance, even with a goatee and chops I still get asked what "branch" I'm in. This question is usually the first question after my nationality. Again, just an observation.

[I Am Luna]

Listen up people that bitched so much about the Okinawan's and Japanese saying that they hate American's.....you are wrong, just like I an others here told you, they dont hate you as an American, they hate the Military.
Hate is such a strong word. To say they hate the military...I don't know. They dislike us from time to time, sometimes "hate". But to categorize everyone, that is wrong. I could spill some Okinawan's and Japanese people that DO dislike Americans as well as military members, American and Japanese.
How would you know? Just because they protest the bases doesn't mean they don't "hate" Americans. The Japanese Communist Party dislikes the military AND the Americans. But you'd never know who they are unless you ask.
So a simple wording from a report of a news paper writer who may, or MAY NOT be bias really doesn't hold weight for that statement. Although, I could see why you think it does.

[Muku]

Not that I don't believe that someone can come to this kind of foregone conclusion from one newspaper article but didn't you just make a blanket statement about Okinawans hating the military and not the US.

And yeah I made a blanket statement, probably because it was Friday AM and I wasnt on the ball yet :eek:.

Also hate is probably the wrong word but one reoccuring theme from all the news stories on all the Japanese channels yesterday was about 米軍 US Military and not about his nationality other than a passing comment that there are, according to the news report roughly 60,000 non-US citizens serving in the US Military today.

Sorry getting back to the hate thing here....the commentary was about if the military wasnt here these murders wouldnt have happened and about the impression that the US Military can not control its people.

This all was on the national news as well.

Oh and to spare people the problem of having to go through a bunvh of different sources I only posted one article but there are plenty more.....here are just a few more btw.

Japan Times (http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20080403a1.html)
YOKOHAMA (Kyodo) A 22-year-old U.S. Navy seaman being held in the brig for alleged desertion told Japanese interrogators Wednesday that he murdered a taxi driver last month in Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture, police sources said.

The Kanagawa Prefectural Police plan to seek an arrest warrant for the sailor, who at present has only been identified as a man of Nigerian nationality, on murder and other charges and request that the U.S. military hand him over in line with the Status of Forces Agreement, the sources said.



Kyodo News (http://home.kyodo.co.jp/modules/fstStory/index.php?storyid=371661)
A U.S. Navy seaman was arrested Thursday on suspicion of murdering and robbing a Japanese taxi driver last month in Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture, after the U.S. side swiftly agreed to hand him over to Japanese authorities and apologized for the incident in a bid to minimize its impact.................Ugbogu, of Nigerian nationality, had been wanted by the U.S. Navy as a deserter since March 8.


Daily Yomiuri Online (http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20080404TDY01305.htm)
YOKOSUKA, Kanagawa--The Kanagawa prefectural police arrested Thursday a seaman apprentice of the U.S. Yokosuka Naval Base on suspicion of robbing and murdering a Tokyo taxi driver last month in Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture, police said.

Olatunbosun Ugbogu, 22, of Nigerian nationality, had been detained by the U.S. Navy for alleged desertion from the base.


CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/04/03/us.sailor.japan/index.html)

TOKYO, Japan (CNN) -- Authorities have arrested a U.S. sailor on suspicion of robbery and murder in the death of a Japanese taxi driver.......A Yokosuka police spokesman identified the sailor as Olatunbosun Ogbogu, a 22-year-old Nigerian national.

[DOCROB]

hmm Robbery didn't they find a bunch on money in the taxi???

[Muku]

Hate is such a strong word. To say they hate the military...I don't know. They dislike us from time to time, sometimes "hate". But to categorize everyone, that is wrong. I could spill some Okinawan's and Japanese people that DO dislike Americans as well as military members, American and Japanese.
How would you know? Just because they protest the bases doesn't mean they don't "hate" Americans. The Japanese Communist Party dislikes the military AND the Americans. But you'd never know who they are unless you ask.
So a simple wording from a report of a news paper writer who may, or MAY NOT be bias really doesn't hold weight for that statement. Although, I could see why you think it does.
Yeah hate is a strong word, how about anti-military would that be more acceptable, I dont know either. But the anger expressed by the people protesting sure comes across as hate to me.

The JCP well that is a blanket statement too I guess and along with my generalizations and blanket statements, which I should probably have toned down a bit. My mistake. Anyway I know plenty of people in the JCP including some in the heirarchy here in Okinawa, they dont hate or even dislike America or American's they just dont like the policies of the country and how it is run.

I think it is similar in a way, hating the institution but not the individuals.

[Muku]

hmm Robbery didn't they find a bunch on money in the taxi???


Robbery in that he failed to pay the taxi bill which he tried to pay with his credit card but because it was maxed out he couldnt do.

The meter evidently read something close to 20,000 yen and that I guess is where the charge of "goto" or robbery stems from.

[SPMF#1]

I've noticed this trend as well, have to be an idiot not to. As for all of them hating the military, I don't think that is true. I just try to look at it from their point of view, we would be pretty touchy about any little thing that goes on if we were in there position as well, but I think its the radicals and other such high profile squeeky wheels that truely gives the look of hate to it all. Just my opinion though.

[DougP]

hmm Robbery didn't they find a bunch on money in the taxi???

That was a tip.:thumbup:

Oh Muku, I'm surprised they didn't mention that he was unemployed. Sure he's still attached to the military but he was AWOL and most definitely wasn't working.:D

[I Am Luna]

Sure he's still attached to the military but he was AWOL....
You wouldn't want to break the link between this crime and the US Military.

And the media knows what sells Muku.
You get more attention by saying Military in your articles.

[RandomWalker]

I heard that the no-drink policy was lifted after one week.

Is there any truth to that?

[wkarma]

No truth at all.

[wkarma]

[QUOTE=Muku;89900]THe confessed suspect in the Yokosuka Taxi murder case....
This one has been all over the news, here is something people here should take a moment to think about as it reinforces the FACT that Japanese for the most part and Okinawan's as well don't hate American's they hate the military.


I think this is way off. If the japanese for the most part didnt want the military here they wouldnt be here.

peace

[dk]

On the topic of blanket statements:
TOKYO, Japan (CNN) -- Authorities have arrested a U.S. sailor on suspicion of robbery and murder in the death of a Japanese taxi driver.......A Yokosuka police spokesman identified the sailor as Olatunbosun Ogbogu, a 22-year-old Nigerian national.
Damn Nigerians, always filling up my Spam box. I think I got about thirty emails today from his uncle, trying to give me thirty billion dollars to help him wire money to my bank account.

[Trail]

On the topic of blanket statements:

Damn Nigerians, always filling up my Spam box. I think I got about thirty emails today from his uncle, trying to give me thirty billion dollars to help him wire money to my bank account.

You too! :w00t: I thought strange uncle from Nigeria thought I was special.... :crying:

[dk]

You too! :w00t: I thought strange uncle from Nigeria thought I was special.... :crying:
Must be a different uncle, because this one assures me that this is entirely legitimate. I'm so ******* excited.

I could totally use about thirty billion dollars right now. :D :D

[proudtobnotpc]

On the topic of blanket statements:

Damn Nigerians, always filling up my Spam box. I think I got about thirty emails today from his uncle, trying to give me thirty billion dollars to help him wire money to my bank account.

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[P_chan]

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LOL I like how there is a link at the bottom of their page asking for donations!

[dk]

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[aedick83]

All I know is that as an American around here I do feel hated on. There are a lot of us here and unfortunally a few bad apples came too. This is what it is like everyday for us in the states. I feel that Okinawans shouldn't hate the military because we are also here to protect them. If something were to ever happen on this island we would all pull together and do what we had to. Us Americans hate those guys just as much as you do. In fact, as far as I'm concerned we could just throw those guys "to the dogs" You can punish them however you like. We don't want that in our military. It's just something that happens. While we are sorry for everything that has happened here, you all have to realize that there are mostly good ones. We love being part of your culture and want you to want to share your culture with us :)
Thanks, Amanda

[Muku]

All I know is that as an American around here I do feel hated on. There are a lot of us here and unfortunally a few bad apples came too. This is what it is like everyday for us in the states. I feel that Okinawans shouldn't hate the military because we are also here to protect them. If something were to ever happen on this island we would all pull together and do what we had to. Us Americans hate those guys just as much as you do. In fact, as far as I'm concerned we could just throw those guys "to the dogs" You can punish them however you like. We don't want that in our military. It's just something that happens. While we are sorry for everything that has happened here, you all have to realize that there are mostly good ones. We love being part of your culture and want you to want to share your culture with us :)
Thanks, Amanda


First off let me say one thing as an American that has been here a lot longer than most of the people here.......You have NO reason to feel as if you are "hated" on. Dont let that shit get to you, it isnt YOU. It is the institution that you are a part of, and one that I was a part of once as well.

You as a person are more than likely a good person and have no reason to feel like you are guilty of anything.

Remember one thing though you are not here to "protect" Okinawa. You are here as a part of the Japan and American alliance that works to keep the peace here in Asia. It is a chance of fate that Okinawa is strategically located where it is, nothing more, nothing less. There is a lot more involved with the "situation" than that as I think you know.

Dont ever be sorry for something that you didnt do......just do what you are expected to do and keep up your end of the bargain and you have no reason to lower your head to anyone. :army:

You weren't the ass, they were, just understand how the people here feel about the actions of the few, keep your own nose clean, and let the rest of it go!:thumbup1:

Thanks for your post!!!:thumbup:

[Big_Papa]

I heard that the no-drink policy was lifted after one week.

Is there any truth to that?

Yes, its true.

[Big_Papa]

Robbery in that he failed to pay the taxi bill which he tried to pay with his credit card but because it was maxed out he couldnt do.

The meter evidently read something close to 20,000 yen and that I guess is where the charge of "goto" or robbery stems from.

Muku, I think you mean "dourobo", not "gouto". One is stealing money, the other is shoplifting. Since you've "been here so much longer than everyone else" as you continuously point out, I would think that you of all "gaikokujins" would know the difference.

Just thought I'd make the correction, just like everyone else likes to do around here. :thumbup:

[Muku]

Muku, I think you mean "dourobo", not "gouto". One is stealing money, the other is shoplifting. Since you've "been here so much longer than everyone else" as you continuously point out, I would think that you of all "gaikokujins" would know the difference.

Just thought I'd make the correction, just like everyone else likes to do around here. :thumbup:

Well .......goutou not gouto means robber and or mugger. I missed the "u" instead of writing it in ごうとう

AND どろぼう dorobou, not dourobo btw means pretty much the same thing but includes thief, burglar, robber and theft


Just thought I'd make the correction, just like everyone else likes to do around here.

Mee too since you decided to bring it up:thumbup:

[Big_Papa]

goutou is a person who steals from an institution (not a mugger), and dorobou is a person who steals from another person (mugger).

LOL, ME THREE

Since I can't type in japanese from this computer, it is often difficult to get it right in romaji. Thank you for spell check....

[Son Kokujin]

Well, a goutou isn't johto, and he'll be caught up all the motto. HAH!

[Muku]

goutou is a person who steals from an institution (not a mugger), and dorobou is a person who steals from another person (mugger).

LOL, ME THREE

Since I can't type in japanese from this computer, it is often difficult to get it right in romaji. Thank you for spell check....

Actually not quite, when a person is arrested here for gouto satsujin jiken　ごうとう　さつじんじけん、it is for the crime of robbery and murder which includes muggings as well. Dorobou is a person that commits robbery, petty theft, pick pocketing, or something of the same.

They are similar, but gouto, is not limited to theft from an institution either, it is also a personal crime as well.

Edited to add here....

In this case the Nigerian national is being charged with goutou satsujin jiken and not plain robbery and murder.

Edited again to correct...goutou....

[Muku]

Well, a goutou isn't johto, and he'll be caught up all the motto. HAH!

Another poet....thank you:D

[Big_Papa]

I grew up on the mainland for the first 13 years of my life and we don't use it like that. I, therefore, have to assume that you learned most of your Japanese on Okinawa. Jaro? (Desho, in dialect, not understood here for the most part). Just like the kanji that is used improperly here... If thats how you guys use it, then so be it. Who am I to judge. I learned my japanese thru a private school system in Hiroshima and simply being born into it (although I'm not Japanese).

[Muku]

I grew up on the mainland for the first 13 years of my life and we don't use it like that. I, therefore, have to assume that you learned most of your Japanese on Okinawa. Jaro? (Desho, in dialect, not understood here for the most part). Just like the kanji that is used improperly here... If thats how you guys use it, then so be it. Who am I to judge. I learned my japanese thru a private school system in Hiroshima and simply being born into it (although I'm not Japanese).

Meaning what????

ごうとうさつじん　強盗殺人、is the same whether here in Okinawa or mainland, there is no difference.

The guy was charged with 強盗殺人人権。goutou satsujin, meaning robbery and murder....there is no difference between Okinawa and mainland in that regard, this btw is from the mainland news and not here in Okinawa.

Edited to add...

There is plenty of "news" from the English and Japanese press regarding this case, and they all after the arrest discuss this man as being charged with robbery and murder, goutou satsujin, and they are NOT from local press but mainland press including but not limited to the Yomiuri Shimbun, and Asahi Times in Japanese and English as well.

I dont know where you learned Japanese and that doesnt matter but in this case he has not been charged with being a dorobou but goutou. Like I wrote before it is similar but technically different in this case. And goutou is also a personal crime as well.

Maybe your mainland schools were wrong.

Oh and maybe you can hear in this video as well the goutou satsujin jiken no yougi.....right about 16 seconds into the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RagcdYehJV4#

[Big_Papa]

Maybe your mainland schools were wrong.

Oh and maybe you can hear in this video as well the goutou satsujin jiken no yougi.....right about 16 seconds into the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RagcdYehJV4#

Uhhhh, no! That's not what they said, maybe you should listen more closely. But I missed your statement on the last point about being mugged and killed. My apology, WE are now on the same sheet of music. But the words have different meanings if you separate them, just like kanji. Goutou used by itself is robbery/robbery which doesn't usually imply muggings. If I told you that a person was a mugger, just like I just did my japanese wife and okinawan friends, you would probably say dorobou (just like my wife and friends just did).

But you can't use GOUTOU if the taxi driver wasn't mugged, which he wasn't. All of the money was still in the taxi, according to police and all the media sources that you quoted earlier.

And yes, it really does matter where a person learns their language skills...

[Crazysix]

I noticed people from Hiroshima have such glowing personalities .....sorry bro i couldnt help it

[Big_Papa]

is that sarcasm C-6? personally, I think most are asses...

[Muku]

Uhhhh, no! That's not what they said, maybe you should work on listening comprehension. About the only part that you got right was the goutou satsujin (which combined means murderer/killer but separated doesn't translate the same). Neither I nor my wife (who's full Japanese) can agree with your use of the language or your listening skills in this case.

goutou satsujin no yougi means directly translated....suspect in murder and robbery and if you look at where this all stems from is the charge that I was refering to.


To refresh your memory a bit here........
Muku, I think you mean "dourobo", not "gouto".
In response to this comment that I wrote......

The meter evidently read something close to 20,000 yen and that I guess is where the charge of "goto" or robbery stems from.

Notice the highlighted red parts, I was refering to what he was charged with not the crime itself.


My point was this at the beginning. Just because you have managed to survive in a country that is not your own AND manage the language pretty well (and in this case have a local spouse), you shouldn't assume that you know better than everyone else because you don't know about their background. And just because a japanese and okinawan person see or hear the same thing, doesn't mean it is interpreted the same. This is a prime example of listening (but your quote was off by at least 70%). And another is Chatan (reading).

Never did assume anything, however YOU have, and my wife has nothing to do with this either. You made the condescending comments here about language learning and you also are getting good at trying to avoid the point of what your misplaced first correction was about.

It obvious as well that English doesnt get across either.

Show me any video or print news in Japanese that this guy was charged as a dorobou.

You keep missing the point, it's about what the guy was charged with, or will be charged with, not the act itself.


Chatan。。。。。北谷町。。。。btw in hougen here would be kita tani machi. Now tell me where I am wrong here.:rolleyes:

[Muku]

But you can't use GOUTOU if the taxi driver wasn't mugged, which he wasn't. All of the money was still in the taxi, according to police and all the media sources that you quoted earlier.

Tell that to the media......and to the police,:rolleyes: he was sent to the police as a suspect of both, his lawyer is attempting to get the goutou charge dropped because of the reason you stated here.

Lawyer: Voices told sailor to stab Yokosuka taxi driver (http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=61215&archive=true)

Attorney Yasutoshi Murakami told Stars and Stripes on Friday he is requesting Kanagawa prefectural police to change the motive of “robbery-murder” to just “murder” in light of the defense attorney’s conversation with USS Cowpens Seaman Olatunbosun Ugbogu.

Ugbogu told Murakami that he did not intend to rob the taxi driver and had suffered from mental problems since high school, Murakami said.

[Big_Papa]

Yes, it was when you used it separately that I said something, because like I said, when you use goutou separately from satsujin it has a different meaning. Goutou by itself means means robbery (not a person) but goutou satsujin means rob and mug. Had you followed up with the entire phrase I wouldn't have said anything. But charging someone with dorobou won't happen when there is a murder too.

AND BTW... CHATAN is Hougen, kita tani is the actual kun reading for those kanji. Or hoku koku if using on reading. So you are wrong there! You asked...

[Big_Papa]

Lawyer: Voices told sailor to stab Yokosuka taxi driver (http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=61215&archive=true)

Thank you, supports what has already been said.

[Muku]

Muku, I think you mean "dourobo", not "gouto". One is stealing money, the other is shoplifting.

FYI...shoplifting in Japanese btw is not gouto either... it is manbiki.

Dorobou is a thief, or burglar and is not limited to stealing money either.

[Muku]

AND BTW... CHATAN is Hougen, kita tani is the actual kun reading for those kanji. Or hoku koku if using on reading. So you are wrong there! You asked...
You are correct....my mistake.

People from mainland do not usually read Chatan as Chatan.

So now we both have been corrected ....now we are even.:D

[Big_Papa]

so is kapparaimasu, what's the point. Both are old words, not really used in the mainland.

Like I said earlier, it really does depend on where you learn your Japanese that determines what you hear and how you translate it.

[Big_Papa]

You are correct....my mistake.

People from mainland do not usually read Chatan as Chatan.

So now we both have been corrected ....now we are even.:D

No, this is fun. The battle of Japan and Okinawa all over again...:cursing:

[P_chan]

Battle of okinawa? I was thinking more along the lines of this:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z1Gf5dEzro

[Big_Papa]

Muku, I won't take away from your Japanese but where you learn really does matter. I'm kinda impressed that as a person that didn't grow up here, you put forth the time and effort to get where you have. BUT, on the flip side, you have to keep in mind that as the poorest, and probably most ignorant, prefecture Okinawa doesn't stress education, and that leads to different translations and readings. The dialect here resembles nothing I've ever heard on the mainland, and my wife and I are both lost when they start using it.

But if we use Hiroshima dialect, then the same will happen with others that live here. Thats how we have private conversations in public. So, I hope you can see where I was coming from and I can see where you came from.

[Muku]

Oh dont get me wrong please.....

I am not a good judge of how well I use the language here, I let others do that for me.

I understand your point about differences in learning as well, and I will agree that Okinawan's for the most part do not put as much effort into their education as mainlander's do. Then again I dont see the need to kill kids at a young age either, hence my kids go to an "American" school, but not on base. And they are fluent for their ages in both languages, hell my daughter just got hired as full time staff at NTT.

That of course is a different story.....:D

Peace Papa:D:thumbup1:

[fantazamaraz]

Yep,
I say let those fine American folk go home and protect America the beautiful. I keep hearing how bad they are and how good the Japanese are. Gimme a break people. I am Welsh, not American and I lived in the States 30 years. I have never met finer folk on a whole than the US military.
If the people of Okinawa and Japan don't like them...tough...too bad...! defend your own Country and if China or North Korea ever wanna repay you for your kind and wonderful neighborly treatment towards them not so very long ago.!You tough, brave folk can defend yourselves.! Now get pissed off with me cause I'm not an American or military and guess what people....I don't care.!

Journalist,
Writer Director
Former top DJ US Radio.
Critic and Commentator.:thumbup1:

[Ammoyankee]

Yep,
I say let those fine American folk go home and protect America the beautiful. I keep hearing how bad they are and how good the Japanese are. Gimme a break people. I am Welsh, not American and I lived in the States 30 years. I have never met finer folk on a whole than the US military.
If the people of Okinawa and Japan don't like them...tough...too bad...! defend your own Country and if China or North Korea ever wanna repay you for your kind and wonderful neighborly treatment towards them not so very long ago.!You tough, brave folk can defend yourselves.! Now get pissed off with me cause I'm not an American or military and guess what people....I don't care.!

Journalist,
Writer Director
Former top DJ US Radio.
Critic and Commentator.:thumbup1:

Holy hell Old Welsh dude, when you woke up this morning, did you ass mysteriously hurt or something?

[Son Kokujin]

You know, about 2 weeks ago @ work, on of my Okinawan co-workers said that there will always be people who hate and generalize because the are to lazy to understand what is different...real talk, right there, I think.

[LSM05]

Living here and hanging out with the Japaense/Okinawans have really made my life easier. I am Lithuanian, and everyone treats us like Russians, YES maybe our language is Simular, and Maybe we look alike, but we have 2 totally different Lifestyles. Thats why people are shocked that I understand and not just judge.

As far as the Rape Case., Can we keep it in our pants for at least a year????? I mean I know he didnt get convicted but a older guy picking up a younger girl is just wrong and sad. I mean really GROW THE FUK up!