Government sanctioned RACISM in THIS DAY IN AGE!

[Tony Stacks]

Affirmative Action. Biggest form of racism in America today. Why do we still have it? Is'nt it discrimination?


Why is Hate crime Legislation so discriminating? Why is Black on White violence never charged as a hate crime? Why was'nt the brick thrower at the LA riots charged with a hate crime?


Why do we have to be labeled a certain race?
I put other.


Why is it not only accepted but encouraged that there is still an NAACP today? But if a white group made a NAAWP they would be automatically labeled racists?


Why can't there be a white history month or better yet a month for every culture in the world?


Why is it okay when a Black guy dates a white girl but when a white guy date a black girl that couple gets more negative feedback and ignorance from people?




Why can't we just be who we are and just people and not worry about this stupid race crap?

[Crazysix]

Affirmative Action. Biggest form of racism in America today. Why do we still have it? Is'nt it discrimination?


Why is Hate crime Legislation so discriminating? Why is Black on White violence never charged as a hate crime? Why was'nt the brick thrower at the LA riots charged with a hate crime?


Why do we have to be labeled a certain race?
I put other.


Why is it not only accepted but encouraged that there is still an NAACP today? But if a white group made a NAAWP they would be automatically labeled racists?


Why can't there be a white history month or better yet a month for every culture in the world?


Why is it okay when a Black guy dates a white girl but when a white guy date a black girl that couple gets more negative feedback and ignorance from people?




Why can't we just be who we are and just people and not worry about this stupid race crap?

1. Affirmative action is outdated should have went away not long after the jim crowe laws

2.no answer for this, but woudnt a hate crime have to based on racism(not including the LA riot example) but there black prisoners accused of hate crimes.

3.I out other, why not anyone can put it, some want to place their race it is an individuals choice

4.the NAACP benefits all races...case in point I had a white friend that received a full scholarship from the NAACP because he attend a Black college

5. Sorry Whitey dont get a month bro, yall got 9 out of 12:D

6. Uh dude I dont know about this one it is more accepted when white guy dates a black girl, than black guy/white girl, that was the general concenus of people I grew up with and still holds true today

7. because we are people and if we didnt worry about this stupid shit we might start segregating on th size of ones penis:argh3:

[Cerebus]

Why is it not only accepted but encouraged that there is still an NAACP today? But if a white group made a NAAWP they would be automatically labeled racists?

Think they have a group for all white something called the KKK which has been around for quite some time :thumbdown:

[ryukyuboi]

Oh, and ah, let's not forget government sexism in this day and age as well, like in the military. Women are not permitted to do certain jobs or have certain responsibilities. Gays cannot serve openly. Why would it surprise anyone that the government still sanctions racism? It's as American as apple pie.

[Crazysix]

would you want an openly gay soldier in the hole with youhttp://justgiblets.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/cq-50.jpg

yeah real morale killer as far as women in the military, well, they should serve in support roles only not combat arms

[ryukyuboi]

Why not ask your questions to members of the armed forces in many other nations that do not discriminate?

[Crazysix]

I have served with the Isrealis and the soldiers I worked with did agree.....next question

[Crazysix]

But then again I rather serve with a female than a FAG any day of the week

[westonmt]

Why not ask your questions to members of the armed forces in many other nations that do not discriminate?


Other nations that do not discriminate? Hah! Show me one. I'm going to stay out of the race/gender arguments. I'll continue to be a white guy, love my puerto rican wife, drink beer with my black buddy, and show my red rican (half red-neck/half puerto rican :D) son that inside we are all people and need to be treated equally. Oh and teach my son to hit a 12-6 curveball 450 feet so I can retire early!!! :thumbup1:

[ryukyuboi]

The fact is that there are governments that do not officially discriminate as a matter of policy due to sexual orientation or gender. Period.

[Crazysix]

The fact is that there are governments that do not officially discriminate due to sexual orientation or gender. Period. point is????

[ryukyuboi]

The point is that the US government discriminates as a matter of policy concerning sexual orientation and gender in the military. Some other nations do not. Therefore it is not surprising that this same government would have policies that permit institutional racism to exist. Get it?

[Crazysix]

and thats why i love my country

[P_chan]

Think they have a group for all white something called the KKK which has been around for quite some time :thumbdown:

Actually, there isn't an official KKK right now IIRC. But by saying that the group for "white" people is the KKK is pretty ignorant and racist.

[Rollin_J's]

But then again I rather serve with a female than a FAG any day of the week

The gay guy will never accuse you of rape....though...the female...well its a toss up....:scared:

[Rollin_J's]

Actually, there isn't an official KKK right now IIRC. But by saying that the group for "white" people is the KKK is pretty ignorant and racist.

I would love to see a "WET" channel on TV. White Entertainment Channel....I love people who are sensitive to racial issues....because they usually end up being the racists...I know I am wrong but I do my best to antagonize them. :thumbup:

[P_chan]

How about we just have normal TV? Or better yet, no TV at all!

[Cerebus]

Actually, there isn't an official KKK right now IIRC. But by saying that the group for "white" people is the KKK is pretty ignorant and racist.

Well last time i checked the KKK did not allow black people to join,what about the aryan brotherhood is that better?

[okisteve]

But then again I rather serve with a female than a FAG any day of the week

From Wikipedia, a list of other countries that ban gays in their military. As you see, we are in great company:
Countries that ban homosexuals from serving in the military


Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil)
China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China)
Cuba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba)
Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt)
Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran)
Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico)
North Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea)
Philippines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation_and_military_service#cite_note-ILGA-survey-0)
Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia)
Syria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria)
Venezuela (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela)
Yemen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen) Hey - that damn list doesn't include a lot of "the coalition of the willing". Watch out in those foxholes on crossover maneuvers, dudes.

[Crazysix]

so would you prefer to have homos in????? fvck that

[Crazysix]

besides they can serve just cant be an open flamer

[okisteve]

Me, I don't give a rip. But there aren't enough DoDDS jobs so why not active?


Anyway, they are "in". Isn't the policy still, "don't ask, don't tell"?

[Crazysix]

fvck it convo over fags dont belong, that my opinion like it or leave it

[okisteve]

So C6, in your opinion, what percentage of gays in civilian life are open flamers? (Let's exclude the big cities, just in normal middle America, and on the big bases for example.)

[Crazysix]

yes steve it is, you just cant come out and say your gay, it could cause problems in the unit and endanger the individuals life.

[okisteve]

fvck it convo over fags dont belong, that my opinion like it or leave it

What's dat?

[Crazysix]

sorry conversation
, but in my opinion there are quit a few and in middle america and the military that are closet because they are afraid of the repercussions. the point is affects unit moral

[P_chan]

Well last time i checked the KKK did not allow black people to join,what about the aryan brotherhood is that better?

Yes, but I'm not talking about who they let in and who they don't. I'm talking about you saying something like "they already have a group for white people and it's the KKK" is wrong. So the only group for white people is the KKK?

[Son Kokujin]

I would love to see a "WET" channel on TV. White Entertainment Channel....I love people who are sensitive to racial issues....because they usually end up being the racists...I know I am wrong but I do my best to antagonize them. :thumbup:

Give me a break w/this! Have you even SEEN the programming on BET lately? Pretty damn sad, if you'd ask me! No self-respecting Black person or ANY intelligent person, in my opinion, watches this mockery of a network...Blackface Explotation Television is what BET really symbolizes!

Besides, you've got Fox News, CNN, etc...

[okisteve]

I agree, it would definitely affect the morale of a unit. I can see that just from these posts. And I am sure that it would put his/her life in danger too.

I'm just coming from a place where it isn't legal to discriminate against a minority for any reason related to gender and sexual preference. It also is a pretty large minority - maybe 5-10% of males. And by and large a law-abiding and non-violent minority that contributes a lot to America. Not to mention teaching your kids.

[Crazysix]

Yes, but I'm not talking about who they let in and who they don't. I'm talking about you saying something like "they already have a group for white people and it's the KKK" is wrong. So the only group for white people is the KKK?
NO SO IS the AL ROKER fan club

[P_chan]

Give me a break w/this! Have you even SEEN the programming on BET lately? Pretty damn sad, if you'd ask me! No self-respecting Black person or ANY intelligent person, in my opinion, watches this mockery of a network...Blackface Explotation Television is what BET really symbolizes!

Besides, you've got Fox News, CNN, etc...


Isn't BET owned by the same company as MTV?

[Crazysix]

I agree, it would definitely affect the morale of a unit. I can see that just from these posts. And I am sure that it would put his/her life in danger too.

I'm just coming from a place where it isn't legal to discriminate against a minority for any reason related to gender and sexual preference. It also is a pretty large minority - maybe 5-10% of males. And by and large a law-abiding and non-violent minority that contributes a lot to America. Not to mention teaching your kids.
Steve you are right, but I prefer not to associate with them or be in their presence. This one of my many bigotries and not one I am willing to get over

[okisteve]

Steve you are right, but I prefer not to associate with them or be in their presence. This one of my many bigotries and not one I am willing to get over

I have no problem with anyone's personal preferences C6. Maybe we all need to chill out on that note.

[Crazysix]

Isn't BET owned by the same company as MTV?
BET has a large white fan base also, just as quite a few non whites watch The Nashville network or Country Music TV......so what clubs do whites have exclusively........hmmm up to few years ago I knew of several golf course that would let blacks join. Now just because a organization has a specific race in its title doesnt mean its a racist organization.........Look at the NAACP, multiple ethnic and racial backgrounds are employed by this organization.

[Crazysix]

I have no problem with anyone's personal preferences C6. Maybe we all need to chill out on that note. CHEERS TO THAT

[Sex Wax]

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:thumbup1:

[P_chan]

BET has a large white fan base also, just as quite a few non whites watch The Nashville network or Country Music TV......so what clubs do whites have exclusively........hmmm up to few years ago I knew of several golf course that would let blacks join. Now just because a organization has a specific race in its title doesnt mean its a racist organization.........Look at the NAACP, multiple ethnic and racial backgrounds are employed by this organization.

That's what I was getting at. I find it funny that they call it Black Entertainment Television once it's not like only black people watch it.

[Crazysix]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7D6133FF933A2575AC0A9659582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
now this was an interesting read

[Crazysix]

That's what I was getting at. I find it funny that they call it Black Entertainment Television once it's not like only black people watch it.
Thats all you had to say whitey:D

[Trail]

Maybe they should call Nashville Network or CMT the WET channel! HA! :w00t:

[Crazysix]

no cause then people will say mexicans took it over, they have enough problems as is

[okisteve]

This editorial in the New York Times explained a lot of stuff for me:
(excerpts)
America’s mix of peoples has changed in its 200-plus years. Yet when Barack Obama delivered his bracing speech on race, he was grappling with a similar challenge. “Realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams,” he said. “Investing in the health, welfare and education of black and brown and white children will ultimately help all of America prosper.”

It is a tall order. Ten years ago, William Julius Wilson wrote that American whites rebelled against welfare because they saw it as using their hard-earned taxes to give blacks “medical and legal services that many of them could not afford for their own families.”

As obviously sensible as Mr. Obama’s proposition might be in a nation of as many hues, tongues and creeds as the United States, it struggles against self-defeating human behavior: racial and ethnic diversity undermine support for public investment in social welfare. For all the appeal of America’s melting pot, the country’s diverse ethnic mix is one main reason for entrenched opposition to public spending on the public good.

Among the 30 nations in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a club of industrial countries, only Mexicans, Koreans and Greeks pay less in taxes than Americans, as a share of the economy. The United States also ranks near the bottom on public spending on social programs: 19 percent of the nation’s total output in 2003, compared with 29 percent in Sweden, 23 percent in Portugal and almost 30 percent in France.

Americans are not less generous than Europeans. When private charities are included, they probably spend more money for social purposes than Europeans do. But philanthropy allows them to target spending on those they personally believe are deserving, instead of allowing the government to choose.



Read the full editorial:http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/31/opinion/31mon4.html

[DougP]

I would love to see a "WET" channel on TV. White Entertainment Channel....I love people who are sensitive to racial issues....because they usually end up being the racists...I know I am wrong but I do my best to antagonize them. :thumbup:

Here's a white entertainment magazine for ya. Kinda like Ebony for crackers:D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/DougGTR32/whitetrash.jpg

[Ammoyankee]

I have been asked on a few occasions what I think of allowing homosexuals in the U.S. military. I have a simple answer... I would serve beside a gay person if the military made the living/shower quarters coed.

When asked why, my answer is...If he get's to look at what he desires, why can't I?

I have been told this is a sexist answer. You tell me is it? What difference is it that a gay man gets to live and shower with me around or if I get to do it with females around???

[DougP]

Sounds dead on to me Ammo:first:

[okisteve]

I have been asked on a few occasions what I think of allowing homosexuals in the U.S. military. I have a simple answer... I would serve beside a gay person if the military made the living/shower quarters coed.

When asked why, my answer is...If he get's to look at what he desires, why can't I?

I have been told this is a sexist answer. You tell me is it? What difference is it that a gay man gets to live and shower with me around or if I get to do it with females around???

If you're OK with "ask, but don't tell", are you also OK with "look, but don't touch"?:cool:

[Ammoyankee]

If you're OK with "ask, but don't tell", are you also OK with "look, but don't touch"?:cool:

I might be too busy looking to care!:D

[westonmt]

Wow ammo! That was thinking outside of the box right there! Oh wait, but your mind was on the box.....err....nevermind!

[Ammoyankee]

Wow ammo! That was thinking outside of the box right there! Oh wait, but your mind was on the box.....err....nevermind!

People freak at the concept but to me, there is no difference! Just being real...

[Muku]

The fact is that there are governments that do not officially discriminate as a matter of policy due to sexual orientation or gender. Period.

Are you talking just about the military or the civilian side as well.

Take away the military and the US Government doesnt "officially" discriminate either:rolleyes:

I have been told this is a sexist answer.

IMO it is only sexist to the person that is uncomfortable themselves with their own sexuality and have difficulty with dealing with issues related to homosexuals....male or female.

[Lursyobwoc]

Not to mention teaching your kids.

Just one of the MANY reasons my kids are and always will be home-schooled. ;)

[P_chan]

I don't think I could home school my kids. Sure I could instill my values in them, but I can do that without home schooling. I'd want my kids to get as many different point of views as they possibly can. That way as they grow older, they can make the best decisions for themselves based on ALL the information they've learned over the years. Not just the information and beliefs I think is right.

But this is a totally different subject, so I won't derail this thread.

[DOCROB]

What I really don't need is a guy that's supposed to be watching my back and help keep others safe to be watching my A$$ as we walk while on patrol...

[okisteve]

Do they really think about hot sex all the time? Or maybe you're just projecting. Or just [oops] [ignorant] don't know and are afraid of the unknown..

[DougP]

Do they really think about hot sex all the time? Or maybe you're just projecting. Or just [oops] [ignorant] don't know and are afraid of the unknown..

If they were to put a hot woman in the foxhole with me, I might be distracted:D
(that is if I wasn't married already, of course:) )

[Rollin_J's]

Give me a break w/this! Have you even SEEN the programming on BET lately? Pretty damn sad, if you'd ask me! No self-respecting Black person or ANY intelligent person, in my opinion, watches this mockery of a network...Blackface Explotation Television is what BET really symbolizes!

Besides, you've got Fox News, CNN, etc...

I am Black/White....I always throw that comment out there to see who bites. :thumbup:

[BleuEneG]

If they were to put a hot woman in the foxhole with me, I might be distracted:D
(that is if I wasn't married already, of course:) )

I believe you when you say that. I could be wrong but from what I have observed of men in general it is their nature to protect women and not want to see them do something that could get them hurt. I think this is the reason why a lot of men don't want women to fight in combat.

[radool]

I believe you when you say that. I could be wrong but from what I have observed of men in general it is their nature to protect women and not want to see them do something that could get them hurt. I think this is the reason why a lot of men don't want women to fight in combat.

You're right in some of your thinking there, I can't quote an actual source since it is long forgotten. A study showed that the sight of a woman getting mutiliated and killed in action had a much heavier effect on male soldier's morale than having a fellow male soldier killed in the same manner. Also, said soldiers were more likely to take increased risks to prevent women from meeting these fates, so instead of losing 1 soldier (the woman) you could in theory lose 2 or 3.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-133983351.html

Seems to have some good examples.

Don't take me as some evil sexist for this. I support women in the military but I also support the fact that there are just some jobs they can not do. I have heard many stories and seen many examples, but I have seen many examples of where women out performed men by leaps and bounds and we will leave it at that.

[Son Kokujin]

I am Black/White....I always throw that comment out there to see who bites. :thumbup:

Well...seeing as I've been asked this question before by fellow Marines-and they were rather serious about the matter-there is my answer...and also, have you really watched BET? It's full of garbage now. Seriously!

[proudtobnotpc]

Affirmative Action is Government backed racism pure and simple. However the white man can not say it out load because than he is accused of being racist, its all a bunch of shit. The right man for the job period.:cursing:

[jimbob17755]

If you're OK with "ask, but don't tell", are you also OK with "look, but don't touch"?:cool:
They might have to hold you down the first time,but you'll learn to like it!

[okisteve]

They might have to hold you down the first time,but you'll learn to like it!

Thanks for the advice. Voice of experience?