TheProsecutor

[dk]

:mad:

Give me back my #1 poster spot!

[TheNoNamedOne]

Ha!

Oh, did I pass you? Hadn't noticed.

[dk]

You cheated! You passed me when I was out eating animal cruelty!

[P_chan]

You cheated! You passed me when I was out eating animal cruelty!

Haha I did that tonight too! It was in the form of some chicken cutlet with some of that sweet sauce whose name escapes me. Don't worry I ate a salad too so I was plenty cruel to some lettuce and carrots tonight too!

[dk]

I bbq'd a garlic to death too. Man that was great.

I'm already starting to crave more cruelty though. :( Guess I'll have to settle with destroying a pack of doritos.

[DoctorP]

Save The Bananas....Eat A Cow!!!

aw crap!!! Coke on the monitor!

[P_chan]

garlic is one of the most awesome things in the world! Especially if its in the steak sauce at Karubi Daiyo and I'm dipping karubi in it!

[dk]

Dangit. He's still 7 posts up on me!

[P_chan]

Didn't you guys say he was really old? Well what else does he have to do besides sit around and wait for his social security check or the next magazine salesman/con-man to come to the door? So he posts in here to make as many peoples lives miserable as he possibly can!
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[DoctorP]

Didn't you guys say he was really old? Well what else does he have to do besides sit around and wait for his social security check or the next magazine salesman/con-man to come to the door? So he posts in here to make as many peoples lives miserable as he possibly can!
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Don't forget waiting for the Jehova's Witnesses so that he can try to sway them to his way of thinking! :D

[P_chan]

Yeah even they steer clear of his house.

They probably pass buy and say: "Don't go to that house because that guy won't stop asking questions we don't have pre-recorded text book answers for." Then the other guy/gal would say: "Yeah and his house smells like dogs and starched socks.".

[DoctorP]

Let's calm down and not make this personal! I hope he knows we are only joking around!

[P_chan]

I'm sure he does but just in case he doesn't.....I'm joking don't take it serious.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Let's calm down and not make this personal! I hope he knows we are only joking around!


Wow, I really hadn't been following this thread except for the one reply to dk on the first page in the beginning. I go to walk the dogs, come back and see without me you guys don't really have any new posts or topics to talk about.

lol. And now I see dk has added an image banner to his sig. Man, I really do influence people and affect their actions.

Yes, Dr.P, I know you guys are just joking. I don't mind. However, I do hope you guys will be able to refrain from joking and be serious in some of the other threads I would like serious discussion on animals to proceed. That is all I am asking, that we keep the joking from spilling into EVERYTHING. At times and in some threads we should try to keep some semblance of seriousness.

But, the banana stuff has been fun.

[DoctorP]

But, the banana stuff has been fun.

But the banana stuff was serious!:p

[Tempestuous]

Bananas are a decent source of Dietary Fiber, Vitamin C, Potassium and Manganese, and a very good source of Vitamin B6.
Personally feel there are several more nutritional fruits out there....since so many of banana's cals are from sugars.
(not particularly a banana fan)

From public consumption levels we may want to work to save the strawberries. :)

[TheNoNamedOne]

Dangit. He's still 7 posts up on me!

LMAO! Just a liiiiiiiiiiitttttttle out of reach, dk.

[Boost]

I go to walk the dogs, come back and see without me you guys don't really have any new posts or topics to talk about.

lol. And now I see dk has added an image banner to his sig. Man, I really do influence people and affect their actions.


Ah great, all this talk is going to go straight to TP's head and it might be too big to fit through the forum door. But on a positive note, perhaps the added weight of his inflated head will prevent him from getting up on his pulpit to preach against the sins of carnivores and such! :D

[TheNoNamedOne]

But on a positive note, perhaps the added weight of his inflated head will prevent him from getting up on his pulpit to preach against the sins of carnivores and such! :D

The voiceless and weakest of all need those who would lend them their voice.

[Boost]

TP, just out of curiosity, are you vegetarian or vegan?

[TheNoNamedOne]

TP, just out of curiosity, are you vegetarian or vegan?

Vegan. But I debate from a vegetarian view simply because I know that is the first step anyone considering giving up flesh would take themselves. I started as a vegetarian and moved along the scale to a Vegan.

[Boost]

Vegan. But I debate from a vegetarian view simply because I know that is the first step anyone considering giving up flesh would take themselves. I started as a vegetarian and moved along the scale to a Vegan.

So if my understanding is correct, you do not consume any animal products at all? Also I assume you take some sort of supplement to ensure you do not go deficient in any nutrients?

[TheNoNamedOne]

The only thing Vegans need to take as far as supplements are concerned is vitamin B12. That is it.

A very small thing on my side if it means lessening cruelty experienced by animals.

[Boost]

The only thing Vegans need to take as far as supplements are concerned is vitamin B12. That is it.

A very small thing on my side if it means lessening cruelty experienced by animals.

Ok, I see. From what I had read in articles on the internet about the subject of vegetarians and vegans was that a diet without meat or animal products/bi-products did not provide all the required vitamins and nutrients the human body needs to function properly, and therefor required vitamins and supplements.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Hold on, Boost, don't log out yet. I am going to get something for you that will drive the nail in that argument's coffin. Give me 5 mins.

[Boost]

Hold on, Boost, don't log out yet. I am going to get something for you that will drive the nail in that argument's coffin. Give me 5 mins.

LoL-I will be watching for it.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Ok, found it.

The American Dietetic Association is the largest association of professional nutritionists in the world, comprising thousands of members mostly from the U.S. and Canada. Their position paper on vegetarian and vegan diets states:

It is the position of the American Dietetic Association (http://www.eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg/ada/hs.xsl/advocacy_933_ENU_HTML.htm) and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.

Note the "provide health benefits in prevention and treatment of certain diseases." Not only is a vegetarian/vegan diet healthy, it provides benefits that a meat based diet does not in the preventing of some diseases.

The link is the abstract to the full article, which is about 10 pages long and has over 150 references to studies and such sources conducted by the American Cancer Society, USDA, American Heart Society, Science Journal, Nature Journal, etc... to name but a few well respected peer reviewed journals throughout the world.

Take a moment to read the abstract, and if you want the full paper tell me and I will track that down.

[Tempestuous]

Ok, found it.



It is the position of the ADA and Dietitians of Canada that
****appropriately planned vegetarian diets ****
are healthful, nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.


Unfortunately for those that plan out their diets to meet their nutritional needs, there are a lot of wacko's out there (as with just about any "cause") that just go off meat & animal bi-products without looking into what needs to be added to round out their diet and their bodies suffer and they end up with health serious conditions.

When they do this it gives the general public around them a bad opinion or view of the subject.
It is also where you get the articles and such Boost was mentioning.

There was an article about a vegan couple that their infant died because they fed it predominantly soymilk & apple juice. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18574603/
Tragic instances like that give non-vegans a distaste for even considering the subject

Here is another case as well.
http://www.courttv.com/trials/andressohn/110705_ctv.html

[TheNoNamedOne]

Yes, I know of those incidences Temp. In those stories you are referring to the prosecutor handling those cases adamently stated in court that the issue of those babies dieing was not one of veganism, but one of starvation.

The New York Post weighed in with an editorial from the editor ombudsman, too, after nearly 16 years of not even mentioning Veganism in virtually any of their news stories, saying that the issue was not of veganism for the death of those children, but of not feeding anything to them, and that those who have used those cases to further their smearing of veganism were those who just opposed it.

Furthermore, far more children are starved to death by meat eating parents every year than vegan parents, and in those cases meat eating is not put forth as the reason for death. To suggest that Veganism be subjected to scrutiny due to the idiocy of the parents is to apply different standards for judging, and one who even considers the opposite is falling into the trap of those just concerned with Veganism.

Again, it is best to listen to the professionals. The ADA link above is the authorative word on the issue.

[Tempestuous]

I found a study that described 12 cases of starvation from 91-03, in the cases 25 individuals were charged criminally. 23 out of 25 plead or were found guilty. the remaining 2 were pending.

From what I can find deliberate starvation is a rarity, but when it happens the adults responsible are criminally charged, it doesn't appear that just these vegan parents were charged.

When I brought up these particular cases I was bringing up the issue that many non-vege's see such cases as this, and discredit (word choice?) the fact that there are actually vege's out there that effectively plan out their diet to meet their nutritional needs. what they see are these negative cases & personal interaction with vege's that don't follow the guideline's toted by the ADA as safe vegetarian diets. And they have a poor taste in their mouth for even considering the validity of the veg diet.

BTW, I was not inferring you were not aware of the cases.

[TheNoNamedOne]

dk had asked me on the Vegetarianism for Moral and Ethical Reasons thread about why I have dogs when I am for animal rights (paraphrased). I think he is getting at, that since human rights are against ownership of people, that therefore, ownership of dogs does not quite fit with the notion of Animal Rights.

It's a fair question and observation, and wholey separate from the issue of vegetarianism. My reply:

As an animal rightist I do not consider my having dogs to be my property. I consider them part of my family, and just as children are not the property of people, my dogs are not property. Children do not have owners -- they have guardians. I, too, am a guardian of these dogs.

Children will eventually grow up and leave as their mental abilities mature. Normally, mental cognition proceeds to a high state within the human animal so that they can become independent and no longer need their guardian. However, if a human never advances beyond the mental cognition of 3 years old, then those parents of that human are likely to find themselves the legal guardian for that person the rest of their lives -- or they would become wards of the state.

Dogs do not develop to a high degree of mental cognition that would allow for them to survive independently in this world as designer breeds brought into our societies from birth. All my dogs are adopted and their existence is due to the pet trade. They were unwanted and as much as I would rather wish there were no unwanted dogs in the world and that would free me from having to step into a guardianship role, I do so in order to clean up the mess of others in some small way by doing so.

[TheNoNamedOne]

dk, I also just noticed you posed it more specifically as why have dogs when I am against animals in captivity.

I don't think that changes anything from the above post where I explained about guardianship, mental cognition, and the pet trade.

Yes, I am against animals in captivity, such as zoos, because these animals are trapped and brought there or are bred into captivity. I am not inconsistant with being a guardian to dogs, because I, too, am against the pet trade and the breeding that is required to keep it going -- just as breeding is required to keep zoos going.

In addition, the dogs which are part of my family are not on display for gawkers and will not be bred by me to perpetuate more of them for making profits for me and keeping the cycle running.

Hope that has added more clarity. Sorry for the delay in getting to it. And thanks for bringing it back to my attention.

[dk]

Thanks for answering that question. It's been bugging the heck out of me since the first time I asked it. lol.

[dk]

Not so much. Animals are not meant to be kept in captivity.
Here's the original reason the question came up.

dk had asked me on the Vegetarianism for Moral and Ethical Reasons thread about why I have dogs when I am for animal rights (paraphrased). I think he is getting at, that since human rights are against ownership of people, that therefore, ownership of dogs does not quite fit with the notion of Animal Rights.

It's a fair question and observation, and wholey separate from the issue of vegetarianism. My reply:

As an animal rightist I do not consider my having dogs to be my property. I consider them part of my family, and just as children are not the property of people, my dogs are not property. Children do not have owners -- they have guardians. I, too, am a guardian of these dogs.

Children will eventually grow up and leave as their mental abilities mature. Normally, mental cognition proceeds to a high state within the human animal so that they can become independent and no longer need their guardian. However, if a human never advances beyond the mental cognition of 3 years old, then those parents of that human are likely to find themselves the legal guardian for that person the rest of their lives -- or they would become wards of the state.

Dogs do not develop to a high degree of mental cognition that would allow for them to survive independently in this world as designer breeds brought into our societies from birth. All my dogs are adopted and their existence is due to the pet trade. They were unwanted and as much as I would rather wish there were no unwanted dogs in the world and that would free me from having to step into a guardianship role, I do so in order to clean up the mess of others in some small way by doing so.
So basically, becase your dogs were unwanted, you stepped up and became their owner. Well, not owners, guardians. Which is something we should do for all unwanted animals who are unable to develop the cognitive abilities of a three year old human?

dk, I also just noticed you posed it more specifically as why have dogs when I am against animals in captivity.

I don't think that changes anything from the above post where I explained about guardianship, mental cognition, and the pet trade.

Yes, I am against animals in captivity, such as zoos, because these animals are trapped and brought there or are bred into captivity. I am not inconsistant with being a guardian to dogs, because I, too, am against the pet trade and the breeding that is required to keep it going -- just as breeding is required to keep zoos going.

In addition, the dogs which are part of my family are not on display for gawkers and will not be bred by me to perpetuate more of them for making profits for me and keeping the cycle running.

Hope that has added more clarity. Sorry for the delay in getting to it. And thanks for bringing it back to my attention.
Did you go out of your way to get a pet?

It really seems like a lot of justification and very little reason. It's something you are fine with justifying because they are your pets and you already love them.

And if, in fact, you are not their owners and these dogs are in fact free--as you are merely a guardian--when you take them for walks are they on a leash? Or are they truly able to leave anytime they please? Because I am positive dogs CAN survive in the wild just fine. I highly doubt they need a guardian. Have you ever thought about dropping them off in an area where it'd be likely for them to thrive? Or does the idea that it'll hurt that area's local animal population outweigh the ideas that your dogs could be free? At what cost should a dog be given it's absolute freedom away from mankind? Are they a special type of animal, such as cats, that should always be in captivity? Just as certain animals are well known as livestock? Where is the line drawn?

I know, a lot of questions. An answer almost always brings about more questions. This is just really interesting.

[TheNoNamedOne]

So basically, becase your dogs were unwanted, you stepped up and became their owner. Well, not owners, guardians. Which is something we should do for all unwanted animals who are unable to develop the cognitive abilities of a three year old human?

Those who have the means and desire should step up to care for a being in need. It is not a responsibility anyone should be forced to make, just as no one should be forced to adopt unwanted children. The "should" depends on the person.

Did you go out of your way to get a pet?

Define "go out of you way". To what lengths are you referring to?

It really seems like a lot of justification and very little reason. It's something you are fine with justifying because they are your pets and you already love them.

I don't see how you can accuse my reason of grounding their relation to me as me being their guardian as a justification. What part of the reasoning is inconsistant with something? It is easy for you to declare it a "justification" but you have not showed anything I said as inconsistent.

And if, in fact, you are not their owners and these dogs are in fact free--as you are merely a guardian--when you take them for walks are they on a leash? Or are they truly able to leave anytime they please?

Just as people have guardianship over 3 year olds, and these children are legally free -- not owned -- they are not permitted to just wander away on their own at their will. The guardian is right to exert his/her will over them for the benefit of their safety.

Because I am positive dogs CAN survive in the wild just fine. I highly doubt they need a guardian. Have you ever thought about dropping them off in an area where it'd be likely for them to thrive?

Dogs let lose in the wild do not have the survival skills of say a wolf. Most dogs that become ferrel end up hanging around the outskirst of civilization scavenging off man. Ferrel dogs for the most part die early because they are not adopted to live in the wild and have not developed the social skills of cooperation that canine lupis or Coyotes exhibit.

I guess anything can survive in the wild for a certain period, if you just consider life survival -- up until they die.

Why would I want to put an animal bred for characteristics that do not optimize its biology for hunting and survival in the wild? Those characterisitics would not allow it to survive optimally such as wolves or coyotes do. I guess a father could also dump their child in a mall where others would likely come upon it and raise it as well, or the child could try and survive on its own, but that would say very little about the qualities of this father as its guardian.

Or does the idea that it'll hurt that area's local animal population outweigh the ideas that your dogs could be free?

Some may consider that, but I do not. Because if my dogs were to be dumped into the wild, their quality of life would not be optimized. Having been raised by humans since birth they are now dependent upon them for their wellbeing as much as possible. Why would I want to shorten my dog's life, or risk its life shorten by the threats and dangers it would face by dumping it when it was not raised or socialized in such an environment? I consider them a part of my family as you do your daughter, and I wouldn't think you would like the thought of thinking she would be better off dumped to survive on her own, even if her good looks and charm could make it that a richer person and better parent than you, pick her up and raise her as their own. Would you?

At what cost should a dog be given it's absolute freedom away from mankind?

At the cost of no pet trade and breeding.

Are they a special type of animal, such as cats, that should always be in captivity?

Sadly, some animals, in this discussion dogs, are treated as if their existence is one of captivity. Mine are treated as family members with care for the well being as you do so for your daughter. We are both guardians looking out for their well being without that well being being dependent upon our utilizaton of them for our needs.

Just as certain animals are well known as livestock? Where is the line drawn?

Well, animal rightists think their should be no line drawn. That all animals should not be exploited and their value dependent upon human utilization. I know you don't agree with that, but in order for me to be consistent as an animal rightist, that is what I must believe. Anything less then I am being arbitrary and inconsistent.

That is why animal rightists have been making gains for animals in getting laws past to protect them, because when they go before senators, judges, or the public with ballot innitiatives, they do so with consistent reasoning. Sure, we know we can't usher in animal rights in one fell swoop with one argument nicely and consistently put together, but today's animal advocates and activists, along with emotion, use reason, and appeal to peoples' sense of reason and justice to win those changes in how animals are treated.

The trend for animal protecton and rights has momentum and like all liberal ideas that upset the status quo, it is creeping along. Sure it will take time. And, there are some municipalities in the States where innitiatives have been past baring the use of pet, in favor for the use of "guardian."

I know, a lot of questions. An answer almost always brings about more questions. This is just really interesting.

I don't mind. I enjoyed answering them. Thanks. Please feel free to ask more.

[dk]

I'd like to wait and see if others have any questions and/or reactions to the things you've said. I'll probably discuss this more later, but it's 2am and I've got work tomorrow.

Sidenote: I hate Mondays.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I'm not saying I would make a great manager or such but I would definitely treat people with the respect we all deserve. Lack of respect is a lack of a human being, without respect there is nothing left to say. we as human beings need to remember that regardless of your ethnic background, race, color, status, the elderly, and anything else not listed here, we deserve respect and right to fair treatment and a non power harassment work environment.

Well said, Losercruiser, on more than one level.

Perhaps your passion on the issue can touch others to help lead to the changes you hope for. Or perhaps people will just LOL at you or at funny pics created to knock down what you value and are striving for.

Either way, welcome to the forums. Looking forward to reading your writings.

[P_chan]

Well said, Losercruiser, on more than one level.

Perhaps your passion on the issue can touch others to help lead to the changes you hope for. Or perhaps people will just LOL at you or at funny pics created to knock down what you value and are striving for.

Either way, welcome to the forums. Looking forward to reading your writings.

Ah but once someone makes a knock at you, don't get your panties in a bunch and shun everyone. Laugh it off and be the bigger man and ignore the comment/pic/upsetting thing.

What about the person who said that comment, or posted that funny pic? Just because you don't find it amusing doesn't mean someone else can't find it funny. Don't forget that your values and beliefs are not the same as everyone else's, nor are your's the standard. It's once you start thinking your way of life is supeior to everyone else and your more 'evolved' (I use that term loosly), you become exactly what Losercruiser is talking about, elevating yourself above everyone and believing your of a higher 'status'.

:edits throughout: Minor edits after I posted, sorry I don't proof read what I put too often on forums.

[Boost]

Or perhaps people will just LOL at you or at funny pics created to knock down what you value and are striving for.

Oh let the bleeding heart of the forum crier begin...

Man this place has been nice without the whine.

[Boost]

Or perhaps people will just LOL at you or at funny pics created to knock down what you value and are striving for.

Oh let the bleeding heart of the forum crier begin...

Man this place has been nice without the whine.

Yep, looks like a replied to a comment made in this thread which would mean the poster of that comment got off topic first. Fine leadership.

[Boost]

Since the precedence has been set that any comment made in a thread that is off topic from the OP is moved into a new thread, or current thread that is more on-topic, I now expect you (TheProsecutor) to go back through every other thread and do the same. You must maintain a level of consistency right? Or is there a double standard that, that only applies to threads that interest you?

[dk]

Well said, Losercruiser, on more than one level.

Perhaps your passion on the issue can touch others to help lead to the changes you hope for. Or perhaps people will just LOL at you or at funny pics created to knock down what you value and are striving for.

Either way, welcome to the forums. Looking forward to reading your writings.
You were just as off-topic as boost was, so I'm moving your post as well. Everyone knows exactly what you are referring to. If you're going to moderate people's posts, at least be thorough about it and move your own while you're at it.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I don't mind my post being moved on it. And they probably should be split into an off topic thread because responding to Boost will bring it off topic.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Oh let the bleeding heart of the forum crier begin...

Man this place has been nice without the whine.

Looks like you have done a little whining yourself.

[Boost]

Looks like you have done a little whining yourself.

Wow, what an excellent reply TP.

*End sarcasm*

Should we compare whines then? I believe mine was more pointing you out then a whine in and of itself.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Wow, what an excellent reply TP.

*End sarcasm*

Should we compare whines then? I believe mine was more pointing you out then a whine in and of itself.

Yours was as much a whine, for, I, too, was pointing something out. You were whining about mine pointing something out.

Yes, your initial post, too, left me feeling, "Wow, what an excellent reply, Boost." Perhaps it would have been better to just point out your whining right then and there. It was a mistake not to.

[Boost]

Yours was as much a whine, for, I, too, was pointing something out. You were whining about mine pointing something out.

Yes, your initial post, too, left me feeling, "Wow, what an excellent reply, Boost." Perhaps it would have been better to just point out your whining right then and there. It was a mistake not to.

:-| Is that the best you can do? I would've really thought you could have come back with something better then that. Perhaps to much soy in your diet, or lack of some good ole red meat is causing you to loose your edge.

[dk]

You kids look like you're having fun.

[Boost]

You kids look like you're having fun.

LoL...oh wait, is that against the rules to use to TP? :)

I know, I know, I'll attempt to stop...but he started it! :D

[TheNoNamedOne]

:-| Is that the best you can do?

That was my reaction to your first post about me. Looks like we are similar -- except that in all your debates with me, you have eventually slinked off. Ha!

[TheNoNamedOne]

You kids look like you're having fun.

lol.

Yeah, that is why I moved it. Because I knew it was headed this way. At least Losercruiser's thread gets to stay clean.

[Boost]

That was my reaction to your first post about me. Looks like we are similar -- except that in all your debates with me, you have eventually slinked off. Ha!

Ha! Eh, when I feel enough has been said, then I stop. No use beating a dead horse. (Not advocating animal cruelty, I swear)

[TheNoNamedOne]

...but he started it! :D

LMAO! The most popular retort of all children. Whaaaaaaaaa!

[TheNoNamedOne]

Ha! Eh, when I feel enough has been said, then I stop. No use beating a dead horse. (Not advocating animal cruelty, I swear)

Yes, enough said when cornered and your argument is lost. Indeed.

[dk]

I know, I know, I'll attempt to stop...but he started it! :D
Hey! Have at it! TP can hold his own I'm sure lol.

This reminds me of a South Park episode "cripple fight" lol.

YouTube - South Park - Cripple Fight

[Boost]

Yes, enough said when cornered and your argument is lost. Indeed.

Who said anything about lost? How many times does a person repeat themselves to the same person? Gets a little redundant, don't you think?

[TheNoNamedOne]

Who said anything about lost? How many times does a person repeat themselves to the same person? Gets a little redundant, don't you think?

Not my falt you can't muster enough info to keep yourself from getting redundant. Looking at your arguments, I have often seen areas for you to put more out there in rebuttal, but you can't grasp or get a handle on those things. Your biggest support for your arguments rest on ... (see PM).

[dk]

Hey! That's not fair!

[Boost]

Easy TP. your treading into personal attacks which as we both know are clearly against the rules.

[Boost]

Hey! That's not fair!

dk, I will be pm'ing you the rest of his comment...

[TheNoNamedOne]

Not a personal attack at all. Just a note about tag teams. Are you whining about someone pointing out your tag team? Whaaaaa!

[TheNoNamedOne]

Whaaaaa! I'm gonna go tell daddy who I and my tag team pander to all the time. LMFAO!

[dk]

Lol. CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!!!!

[TheNoNamedOne]

So freakin funny! You started the whining bit and now can't handle it and is the one doing the whining now. LOL in your FACE!

[dk]

You guys are killing me. I have no idea why this is cracking me up so bad, but it is.

[Boost]

So freakin funny! You started the whining bit and now can't handle it and is the one doing the whining now. LOL in your FACE!

Are you serious...

The beautiful thing about this thread is it has shown you for what you really are. Pathetic.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Lol. CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!!!!

Yeah, Boost's hypocritical whining is crippling me with laughter, and pity for him.

[TheNoNamedOne]

No, I just came down to your level. Go up and look at your original pathetic comment. Whaaaaaa!

[TheNoNamedOne]

Ah but once someone makes a knock at you, don't get your panties in a bunch and shun everyone. Laugh it off and be the bigger man and ignore the comment/pic/upsetting thing.

Oh, this is just so funny coming from the person who PMed me begging me to stop calling him out. Your panties were so bunched up because I told you to answer the questions and you didn't want to. Your whining of stop calling me out you are making me look bad sure wasn't any laughing off.

Btw, I will bring that thread back and remind you you have not answered them. What are you going to do then, PM me again crying to stop calling you out?

[TheNoNamedOne]

You guys are killing me. I have no idea why this is cracking me up so bad, but it is.

LOL!

I've had a chuckle here and there as well.

[dk]

Did you watch the cripple fight video? lol. Pretty amusing.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Did you watch the cripple fight video? lol. Pretty amusing.

LOL! Funny.

[dk]

LOL! Funny.
I've got 8 seasons of that if you ever want to borrow one. :thumbup1:

[Boost]

So freakin funny! You started the whining bit and now can't handle it and is the one doing the whining now. LOL in your FACE!

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2. Do not engage in a personal attack. Insults do occasionally happen in heated discussion. Avoid stooping to that level. However, there is a definite line between an insult and a personal attack. DO NOT cross that line.


3. Do not start a flame war on our forums. If you have a problem with a member of our forums, either take it to private messages or contact one of the moderators or administrators.

I think that line was crossed. Perhaps I crossed it first, but if that were the case, then I think the mod involved could/should have handled it according to the rules of the forum.

[Muku]

Everyone can flame me for this comment but Gentlemen everyone on this thread is coming across like a bunch of pre-adolescents sounding like a fight about "My Dad can whip your Dad's butt" kind of thinking.

Please can we have some PEACE and QUIET:scared:

[TheNoNamedOne]

I think that line was crossed. Perhaps I crossed it first, but if that were the case, then I think the mod involved could/should have handled it according to the rules of the forum.

Yes, you did. Rather than giving you an infraction for it, I tried to move it without it being a problem. And if my memory is correct I handled it rather mildly by saying get back on topic and not to reply to the moderation, but you thought you'd be cute and comment in a technical way around that. But you screamed about it and then it snowballed.

It was dk in one of the other threads on animals/vegetarianism that said, if someone makes a comment or assertion about someone, then that person has the right to address that and defend themselves. I did just that. Deal with it.

And like the rules you quoted, I took a part of it to PM.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Everyone can flame me for this comment but Gentlemen everyone on this thread is coming across like a bunch of pre-adolescents sounding like a fight about "My Dad can whip your Dad's butt" kind of thinking.

Please can we have some PEACE and QUIET:scared:

I am not going to flame you for it Uchi, because what you said is true.

However, I have decided to not let sniping go by. At first I did with P_chan, but then Boost decided to pile on. I expect at least one other person to come piling on soon when he signs in and reads the thread. Let's see if I will get a "Bingo" moment.

If I had it my way, I would have deleted those two posts through moderation, but then that would have lead to screaming, too, and then I would have heard the "letting them stand is keeping it light" kind of reason for them not being against the rules or not baiting -- which is not against the rules. It has been made clear to me that baiting is not against the rules.

[P_chan]

Wow I missed a lot today huh?

Somebody call the 'wahhhhmbulance'!

[TheNoNamedOne]

Wow I missed a lot today huh?

Somebody call the 'wahhhhmbulance'!

BINGO!

The boy with anger problems and the innitial whiner pops in! Whaaaa!

Go answer the questions still waiting for you. What, you gonna PM me again about calling you out again. Whaaaaaa. Deal with it. LMFAO!

[dk]

Here we go again..... lol

[TheNoNamedOne]

After all it really doesn't matter if you convince the other party to see it your way or not.

Do you have some kind of attention deficit problem, or reading problem? How many times have I told you that it doesn't matter of you convince the other party because that is not the sole purpose of debate. It is also, and mostly when there is an audience, to affect the audience. I could care less if you or the one I am debating it sees it my way or not.

Now, why do you need people to repeat things to you? Should I type slower for you so you can get it all digestedd?

[P_chan]

Do you have some kind of attention deficit problem, or reading problem? How many times have I told you that it doesn't matter of you convince the other party because that is not the sole purpose of debate. It is also, and mostly when there is an audience, to affect the audience. I could care less if you or the one I am debating it sees it my way or not.

Now, why do you need people to repeat things to you? Should I type slower for you so you can get it all digestedd?

Wow talk about personal attacks. Seriously back off, was I talking to you. I just said that it really doesn't matter if you convince the other party or not. I've been saying that all along. No I'm not a retard and I can read. I'd appreciate it if you would back off. I made it a point not to talk to you so you don't get me pissed off and I don't make any personal attacks. So you should back off...seriously.

Did I type that slow enough for you? Sorry I'm not as evolved as you, must be all that delicious meat I eat. Duh the doesnt lets me outs of da houze to much!

[TheNoNamedOne]

Wow talk about personal attacks. Seriously back off, was I talking to you.

No personal attack. dk has already ruled on it. Sorry, you lose -- again.

No I'm not a retard and I can read.

Never said you were. I just question your reading and comprehension skills. You seem to be lacking in them and then your anger... well...

I'd appreciate it if you would back off.

Then stop sniping. Your first post and the second one is what brought you this, and then your little dramatic entry into the chat being all bent out of shape. lol.

I made it a point not to talk to you so you don't get me pissed off and I don't make any personal attacks. So you should back off...seriously.

Then you shouldn't have even posted in here if you didn't want a reply. You check yourself and then I will back off. You've already been ruled against.

Did I type that slow enough for you? Sorry I'm not as evolved as you, must be all that delicious meat I eat. Duh the doesnt lets me outs of da houze to much!

Come on. Find your own original lines to come up with. LMFAO in your face!

[P_chan]

I'm done with you. Your one big hypocrite. I've left you alone in the past and now it's your turn to leave me alone. Your a mod and you should be setting the example for other users on the site. Instead your acting all smug as usual.

I can see it now. Your going to go to bed tonight with and even bigger ego then normal. Thinking I'm crying myself to sleep and you got under everyone's skin tonight. All you did was prove how big of a hypocrite you can be.

[Tempestuous]

Originally Posted by Boost View Post
...but he started it!:DLMAO! The most popular retort of all children. Whaaaaaaaaa!

DUDE!! Get some freaking humor, would ya?
Note the cheesy grin smiley.
...it...was...intended....as...a...joke!


deliberately taking offense to a jesting comment or responding to it as if it a ligit comment just is ridiculous, and makes you look as foolish as you are trying to say he was being.
Then you go on to say 'you stooped to his level', so that is all the validation you needed? Someone else "did it" so you should too?
Very foolish.


Sure, his original comment may not have necessary and perhaps was a bit snide...however, your over dramatic response was just as unnecessary.

Since when does every comment have to perfectly be OnTopic? There are usually 1 or 2 remarks here or there that slip in NBD. Typically we see them moved when there is a separate conversation taking place OffTopic.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I'm done with you. Your one big hypocrite. I've left you alone in the past and now it's your turn to leave me alone. Your a mod and you should be setting the example for other users on the site. Instead your acting all smug as usual.

I can see it now. Your going to go to bed tonight with and even bigger ego then normal. Thinking I'm crying myself to sleep and you got under everyone's skin tonight. All you did was prove how big of a hypocrite you can be.

Oh, get off the freakin Wambulance! If you dont want me to reply to your snipes,then don't post them. Simple.

[P_chan]

Oh get your own line hardy har har!!!

[TheNoNamedOne]

BINGO!

The other half of the Tag Team. LMFAO!

Temp, you don't have to fight your hubbie's fights. He's a big boy. Let him at at it. Funny you girl!

Ha!

[TheNoNamedOne]

Oh get your own line hardy har har!!!

Hahahahaaha. Oh, you think that pic is gonna bother me. Try again dude with more gore and blood. I don't mind. Let your signature rip.

Looks like you just couldn't resist coming in again for some more smack on your head. SMACK!

[P_chan]

As I said in the chat, I've been meaning to put that pic up for a long time. But I didn't out of respect for you. Now I don't really care.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Oh, yeah. I remeeeeeeeeember all the respect you were showing me. That is funny. Funny.

[Tempestuous]

BINGO!

The other half of the Tag Team. LMFAO!

Temp, you don't have to fight your hubbie's fights. He's a big boy. Let him at at it. Funny you girl!

Ha!

I'm not "fighting" anything.

I just threw my thoughts on the matter, regardless of who is involved in the discussion I am authorized an opinion and the ability to comment on it.

You did not even for 1 second have any effect on my panties. :)

I really just sat and scratched my head when I got on & read, its really ummmm, an interesting (sarcasm) :rolleyes: read

[TheNoNamedOne]

I could care less about your panties, Temp. Besides, you don't need to pile on with your hubbie. He is a big boy, let him whine and cry on his own.

You hubbie wife tag teams are down right funny. Yadayadayada.

Funny how he wanted it all to stop after he got his zinger in and then couldn't take it when it came back at him. "You are getting too personal. Stop it. Whaaaaaaaa."

[Boost]

"You are getting too personal. Stop it. Whaaaaaaaa."

No, I was fine with it until you involved Temp, who at the time was not involved. Re-read the thread and you will see that.

[Boost]

Looks like you just couldn't resist coming in again for some more smack on your head. SMACK!

This guy is freaking hilarious! Hey P_Chan, did you feel any "smack" on the head? Nope, me neither, still healthy, wealthy, and fine on this end.

[Tempestuous]

I could care less about your panties, Temp. Besides, you don't need to pile on with your hubbie. He is a big boy, let him whine and cry on his own.

You hubbie wife tag teams are down right funny. Yadayadayada.

Funny how he wanted it all to stop after he got his zinger in and then couldn't take it when it came back at him. "You are getting too personal. Stop it. Whaaaaaaaa."

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused:

Explain to me what I have said that "piled on".

I am really at a loss as to what happened here that sent you to jumping all over me.

[TheNoNamedOne]

No, I was fine with it until you involved Temp, who at the time was not involved. Re-read the thread and you will see that.

Oh stop whining about it. I accurately predicted she would come in to your defense.

[TheNoNamedOne]

This guy is freaking hilarious! Hey P_Chan, did you feel any "smack" on the head? Nope, me neither, still healthy, wealthy, and fine on this end.

Sure you are healthy -- after having been driven to the hospital in the whaaaaabulance for treatement. LMAO! P_chan sure was bent all out of shape about it. You should have seen him. Funny.

Caused him so much angst he put a sealing pic in his sig thinking it would bother me. Not at all, P_chan. In fact, I wish you would find a gorrier pic for there. I like it that more people see the gore.

Why don't you find a gore pic of animal killing for your sig, Boost? C'mon...keep up with P_chan.

[TheNoNamedOne]

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused:

Explain to me what I have said that "piled on".

I am really at a loss as to what happened here that sent you to jumping all over me.

You jumpin in like mommy for your husband and doing the ol' lecture bit, "maybe he was wrong but just because he ... yada yada yada." Spare us.

You shine best in the Jokes and Humor section, Temp. Let Boost trip all over himself up here with the big boys by his lonesome self. Oh, don't get me wrong. You are welcome to post up here as well, just that your strong suit is with laying down jokes. Simple copy and paste does you the most justice in the form of text to screen.

[IndyGal]

Why hasn't this thread been closed to let people cool off or closed period? I have seen other threads heading in the direction that this one has (way out of control) and have been closed, parts of them deleted etc. Is it because The Prosecutor is a moderator?

[Muku]

Why hasn't this thread been closed to let people cool off or closed period? I have seen other threads heading in the direction that this one has (way out of control) and have been closed, parts of them deleted etc. Is it because The Prosecutor is a moderator?

Thank you, you beat me to the punch......I had a couple of threads closed on me for a hell of a lot less than this bickering back and forth. Neither side gets it either, noone is putting a gun to their heads forcing them to type either.

This is not balanced moderating here, just because one of the combatants is a moderator doesnt make it right.

This thread is going nowhere, please put it out of it's misery fast.

This entire third page of this thread should be deleted as well, if it isnt then I charge that this forum is guilty of both censorship and unbalanced and unfair moderating. Not just on this thread but others as well.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Why hasn't this thread been closed to let people cool off or closed period? I have seen other threads heading in the direction that this one has (way out of control) and have been closed, parts of them deleted etc. Is it because The Prosecutor is a moderator?

No. It is because no rules are being broken. dk has stated directly that none has, and has assured me that this thread will stay open for the mere fact that there are some who can't control their outburst at me and this will serve as a deposit for those who can't.

Believe me, I have approached dk on a number of times with the suggestion to make a rule to not allow baiting or sniping, but he feels that that would be too strict. Previously I had avoided such things like this until it came to a point where laying down and accepting it was not getting the desired result. So, now, you can see I have pushed back and now those people who have engaged in the baiting and sniping don't like it.

I guess it is what is good for the goose, is good for the gandor.

But, please do feel free to petition for a rule against baiting and sniping. I will support that. But dk has made it clear that he thinks that will hurt membership growth, feeling that it would be too strict for some to accept here.

[TheNoNamedOne]

...I charge that this forum is guilty of both censorship and unbalanced and unfair moderating. Not just on this thread but others as well. [/I]

I have said the same, too, Uchi, but the many times I have put forth that resulted in a "not wanting to be too strict" response.

Everything in this thread is within the rules. Perhaps we should think of modifying the rules to take in baiting and sniping? Wouldn't you agree? I do. But up until now, I have been the only one for a rule on that.

Strange that way, huh?

[P_chan]

See but I didn't outburst at you. I stated my opinion on the debating matter and you exploded on me. Your just sitting in here instigating. I wasn't all bent out of shape. I told you to knock it off an you just keep egging it on. Just seeing what your doing in here proves my point. Your a sad, sad, little man that you would get all bent out of shape about a picture on the internet.

Arguing with you in here is like arguing with a 12 year old. I didn't attack you in this thread, you attacked me, pretty much called me a retard.

[TheNoNamedOne]

See but I didn't outburst at you. I stated my opinion on the debating matter and you exploded on me. Your just sitting in here instigating. I wasn't all bent out of shape. I told you to knock it off an you just keep egging it on. Just seeing what your doing in here proves my point. Your a sad, sad, little man that you would get all bent out of shape about a picture on the internet.

Arguing with you in here is like arguing with a 12 year old. I didn't attack you in this thread, you attacked me, pretty much called me a retard.

Did you come in here for another cryfest? Yadayadayada!

I've merely been stating my opinion about you, too.

As for the pic, I don't care about the pic for the sake of the pic. I have already told dk that the pic didn't bother me. IN fact, I am going to make a thread just for PETA so you or anyone else can post any pic derogatory against PETA you wish. Ha! I expect you to be posting there.

Now stop whining. Stop visiting this thread if you can't handle it.

[IndyGal]

But, please do feel free to petition for a rule against baiting and sniping. I will support that. But dk has made it clear that he thinks that will hurt membership growth, feeling that it would be too strict for some to accept here.

This childish bickering back and forth will be one thing that will hurt membership growth in itself. Stating your own opinion is one thing, but going back and forth on who is more intelligent is another.

DocP has shown himself to be a good moderator. He has cut in at times when threads have gotten too heated, off topic and personal and not added his opinion on the matter either way.

Now, why do you need people to repeat things to you? Should I type slower for you so you can get it all digestedd?

I don't know how this is not considered a personal attack?


One of the biggest "debates" in this thread is on who is the bigger whiner, ha, ha.

I have to say the best part of the entire thread was "Cripple fight" :thumbup:

[TheNoNamedOne]

This childish bickering back and forth will be one thing that will hurt membership growth in itself.

I think baiting and sniping will hurt growth. dk thinks being too strict will. It used to not go back and forth. That was when I would just try to reply calmly to the comment asking if that was needed or justified. I was usually met with "have a thicker skin" or "stop whining." I guess I just got tired of that and decided to see who is really the whiner and who really does not have a thick skin. We can see that clearly now.


Stating your own opinion is one thing, but going back and forth on who is more intelligent is another.

I don't think IQ has ever been brought up.

DocP has shown himself to be a good moderator. He has cut in at times when threads have gotten too heated, off topic and personal and not added his opinion on the matter either way.

DocP doesn't debate. I doubt he really knows how to or has a strong opinion for or against something that he feels confidant enough to debate for. I do. IF DocP wants to not put his opinions out and debate them passionately then that is fine, and he is therefore likely to not get into any strong disagreements. Besides that, DocP has his original clique support to rely on and he knows that quite well. The clique sticks together.

I don't know how this is not considered a personal attack?

Not a personal attack. It is a question and it goes to reading comprehension. dk, himself, in the past has quite curtly questioned anothers reading comprehension.

One of the biggest "debates" in this thread is on who is the bigger whiner, ha, ha.

I am one who thinks whining should have never been brought up in the first place. I tried to just move by it with a quick "Stay on topic" but someone feeling emboldened by a clique status cried about that and things grew from there.

I have to say the best part of the entire thread was "Cripple fight" :thumbup:

lol. Yeah, that was pretty good.

[Muku]

Everything in this thread is within the rules. Perhaps we should think of modifying the rules to take in baiting and sniping? Wouldn't you agree? I do. But up until now, I have been the only one for a rule on that.


2. Do not engage in a personal attack. Insults do occasionally happen in heated discussion. Avoid stooping to that level. However, there is a definite line between an insult and a personal attack. DO NOT cross that line.

3. Do not start a flame war on our forums. If you have a problem with a member of our forums, either take it to private messages or contact one of the moderators or administrators.



Seems to me that these 2 rules have been broken by both of you. AND I repeat there is no need to reply either, you dont have a gun against your head, and people here are adults right?

In fact not replying is a very strong message in and of itself.

[Muku]

This childish bickering back and forth will be one thing that will hurt membership growth in itself.

I've written something like this as well but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

Moderators should be able to stay above the fray and not get involved in nitpicky BS like this thread. That isn't the role of a mod.

[P_chan]

I've written something like this as well but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

Moderators should be able to stay above the fray and not get involved in nitpicky BS like this thread. That isn't the role of a mod.

I've been saying that all along to dk.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Seems to me that these 2 rules have been broken by both of you.

No personal attack has been had. Telling people to stop whining is not a personal attack. Asking people about their reading comprehension is not a personal attack.

I have not started a flame war. I tried to moderate, and then a particular member got bent out of shape on that, replied, and I replied, and dk said all was being voiced within the rules. dk doesn't want to be too strict.

AND I repeat there is no need to reply either, you dont have a gun against your head, and people here are adults right?

I never said I have a need. But, I chose to reply rather than let it go by this time.

In fact not replying is a very strong message in and of itself.

Could be, but then if you let it go by several times, and then finally you do say something, then you are met with something like this:

"Why complaining about it now when you didn't before?"

Best to be consistent and just point it out when they pop up.

My reply from now on will be consistent in meeting those who decide to be snide through sniping and baiting because there is no rule against those. I am fine with that. I can handle it. It is the thinned skin people who can't, so I would suggest them to stay clear from engaging in that if they can't handle the return volley.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Moderators should be able to stay above the fray and not get involved in nitpicky BS like this thread. That isn't the role of a mod.

dk has said that ANYONE on these boards have a right to defend themselves from comments and assertions. ANYONE. And in fact, that came about as he defended himself from what he perceived were comments I made that he didn't like. I agree with him. IN the end we both agreed on that point.

Members here should not engage in snideness, sniping, or baiting. I am fine if a rule were to come out on that. That would cause all of your worries on this point to disappear and be addressed. I have yet to see you or any of the others here willing to support a rule on sniping and baiting. I think that is because you want to retain that right to do so.

If not, then why not petition for that rule... P_chan, Temp, Boost, Indygirl, Uchi, and others?

Well?

[Muku]

I have not started a flame war. I tried to moderate, and then a particular member got bent out of shape on that, replied, and I replied, and dk said all was being voiced within the rules. dk doesn't want to be too strict.


I've read the thread and you were not moderating, you were fanning the flames with your commentary. Do I need to go back through this thread and point out a few of your comments that made things worse? Where as a moderator you should have either backed off or not replied? Here is one, want more....This is flamebaiting if I ever read any, and you wrote it!
Originally Posted by TheProsecutor
BINGO!

The other half of the Tag Team. LMFAO!

Temp, you don't have to fight your hubbie's fights. He's a big boy. Let him at at it. Funny you girl!

Ha!
Your words reek of sarcasm not humor.

I chose to reply rather than let it go by this time.
Take a look at how many times you did reply. If you dont like what you are hearing there is no need to reply to it. You broke the rules of the forum, whether you agree with that or not doesnt matter. Myself and everyone else reading this thread know it.

"Why complaining about it now when you didn't before?"
Best to be consistent and just point it out when they pop up.
Depending on the situation there is no need to comment or reply. You make things worse by feeding the flames.


It is the thinned skin people who can't, so I would suggest them to stay clear from engaging in that if they can't handle the return volley.
I submit that you are the thin skinned one that can not handle having volleys tossed at you. If you want to moderate, then do so, otherwise I would suggest to dk to find a different moderator, instead of one that so strongly puts forth their views and opinions in threads and attacks other members.

[Muku]

dk has said that ANYONE on these boards have a right to defend themselves from comments and assertions. ANYONE. And in fact, that came about as he defended himself from what he perceived were comments I made that he didn't like. I agree with him. IN the end we both agreed on that point.

Then this board will never grow. I moderate on a board about 100,000X larger than this, and I would never tolerate the stuff that I have seen written here. You push people away by being so divisive.

Anyone....Do you realize how childish this statement sounds?

I have yet to see you or any of the others here willing to support a rule on sniping and baiting. I think that is because you want to retain that right to do so.

That is a part of the problem, you are a forum leader here, in your position of moderator but you think you know what I or others are thinking. I dont consider sniping to be a right.

No one that I have seen so far has made a formal proposal against sniping. But it does fall under flamebaiting so there is no need for a formal rule about it, it's already there.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I've read the thread and you were not moderating, you were fanning the flames with your commentary.

No, you are wrong. I did moderate. Boost got bent out of shape on that.

Where as a moderator you should have either backed off or not replied?

No. Moderators are not required to back off or not reply. It is up to their discression as to the course they decide to take. DrP has not backed off on me in the past, as I with him, and dk never faulted us for putting our views out there strongly on issues where we butted heads. dk himself has not backed off on issues and has never not refused to listen to a point I brought to him, even if it came up over more than once, and I did not handle dk with kids gloves and he neither with me. Your use of the word "should" is just opinion.


Here is one, want more....This is flamebaiting if I ever read any, and you wrote it!

Not flaming. dk has already seen those posts. Was told to go at it and that I could handle myself. What does that tell you?

Your words reek of sarcasm not humor.

Sarcasm is not against the rules.


Take a look at how many times you did reply. If you dont like what you are hearing there is no need to reply to it.

That goes both ways. All they had to do was stop posting on the issue for a while and it would have died down. I responded to each one and we all have the right to respond.

You broke the rules of the forum, whether you agree with that or not doesnt matter. Myself and everyone else reading this thread know it.

No rules have been broken. dk himself asked Pchan what rules had been broken after viewing the posts.

I submit that you are the thin skinned one that can not handle having volleys tossed at you.

Replying to them is one way of handling them.

If you want to moderate, then do so, otherwise I would suggest to dk to find a different moderator, instead of one that so strongly puts forth their views and opinions in threads and attacks other members.

No one has been attacked. They have been replied to. As for opinions and views, moderators and admin are permitted to put forth their opinions as strongly or as weakly as they choose, so long as they stay in the bounds of the rules. I have.

Believe me, I have been petitioning dk for stronger rules. Why not join that? I have yet to see you say you will. <snicker>

[TheNoNamedOne]

No one that I have seen so far has made a formal proposal against sniping. But it does fall under flamebaiting so there is no need for a formal rule about it, it's already there.

Well, then flamebaiting needs to be defined more clearly -- for clearly Boost was flamebaiting and that was not recognized by dk as flamebaiting. If that were not, then none of what I have replied to was, for those did not come up to that level.

dk has not seen any rule violations while the majority of the posts took place while he watched on throughout much of yesterday. I guess you have a problem with dk's perception of things. I do too at times, but his usual reply is wanting to keep things light, and not strict, so that THAT doesn't impede growth. Can't tell you how many times I have heard that from him, so I take that is exactly what he means, and his non intereference with the ongoing posts yesterday bear that out.

[Muku]

Forget it, you dont get it, and I dont think you ever will either.

You can not change my opinion, to me you were out of line. I also dont care if you like that or not.

I am not going to waste any more time writing any responses to you on this thread. You also conveniently overlook your own part in this thread and often refer to dk as if he is the justification for your own actions.

Also disecting a reply as you did as well tells me much about the type of person that you are, or at least the persona that you choose to have here on this forum.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Also disecting a reply as you did as well tells me much about the type of person that you are, or at least the persona that you choose to have here on this forum.

What!? Disecting a reply!? You gotta be kidding. You are, arn't you? Disecting a reply tells you about my persona type? Hahahaha.

Well, how about my name? -- TheProsecutor. Prosecutors do comb over the details, don't they? Or you would rather the details go uncovered in lieu of generalities. LMAO!

That tells me a lot about your persona.

I don't mind you not posting in this thread anymore.

[Bones]

Hi, Habu here.

I'm all for all of you having your little bit of fun. And I'm not a "Moderator".

Never thought that the "New Forums" were going to take off. But all of you have proven me wrong on more than one occasion.:cool:

But, this is just wrong. :thumbdown:

It wouldn't be so bad, but all of the people who seem to be in power at the moment, are ganging up on this one guy (granted he is flaring some tempers as well), and all of you are doing exactly the kinds of things that you did not want to see happen again, as it relates to the "Old Forums".

You have a great thing going right now, IMHO. Don't ruin it by starting to act like the spoiled kids that you are complaining about !!!!:mad:

Take a deep breath, and get back on the track that all of you claim to be on.

Habu, (aka, NBTP):mad:

[TheNoNamedOne]

Thanks for the input NBTP.

------- Break away from the individual replies here ---------

It is no secret that I hold probably the most progressive (i.e. liberal) views here, and my stand on Animal Rights, Vegetarianism, the military, Iraq war, religion, pushes me even further from the other members here on issues related to those.

It seems that in a lot of threads where I am active in, some invariably will bait or goad with some comments, and as of now I am replying to those more strongly than I did in the past. This thread serves a place to move those posts that get off from the main topic and more on to my persona. Better to keep those kinds of posts in one area rather than throughout the whole forum.

Of course, I would prefer that my persona never be brought into the discussion, but it is, and then it is done so in a snide or derogatory way. This thread serves the purpose of locating those posts and my replies to them here, particularly when they haven't really violated a rule, other than becoming an annoyance in a thread when the discussion veers off on that.

[DoctorP]

A note to all who chose to participate in this thread:

This thread is about TP, it is given a lot of leeway. Were there personal attacks...no...was there name calling? Yes, by many people. There would be no need to close this thread, or move posts, as it is about TP and it is all on topic. Those of you who have complained, get over it!

Why I was called out in a thread that I haven't participated in, I do not know??

Everyone have a nice day.

[IndyGal]

I don't think IQ has ever been brought up.

okay....


Do you have some kind of attention deficit problem, or reading problem?

Should I type slower for you so you can get it all digestedd?

So in a round about way you are questioning someone's intellect. Yes that is a personal attack. I would consider it as such if it were directed to me.

DocP doesn't debate. I doubt he really knows how to or has a strong opinion for or against something that he feels confidant enough to debate for. I do. IF DocP wants to not put his opinions out and debate them passionately then that is fine, and he is therefore likely to not get into any strong disagreements. Besides that, DocP has his original clique support to rely on and he knows that quite well. The clique sticks together.

Okay so my comment on DocP was in regards to him wearing his "moderator hat" and not how he is as a regular forum member and his debating skills.



I tried to moderate, and then a particular member got bent out of shape on that, replied, and I replied, and dk said all was being voiced within the rules. dk doesn't want to be too strict.

I haven't seen anywhere in this thread where you have tried to moderate. I have just seen you arguing. It wouldn't be such a problem if you were just a regular forum member. As a forum moderator you are supposed to be setting the example for others and by no means going down to "their level".

Members here should not engage in snideness, sniping, or baiting. I am fine if a rule were to come out on that. That would cause all of your worries on this point to disappear and be addressed. I have yet to see you or any of the others here willing to support a rule on sniping and baiting. I think that is because you want to retain that right to do so.

If not, then why not petition for that rule... P_chan, Temp, Boost, Indygirl, Uchi, and others?

I do not partcipate in baiting or sniping. I have to say that what one perceives as baiting or sniping may not be what another would. There is a fine line there and because of that I would not petition for a rule against it. I think if there was one then everyone would be crying foul!


If you want to moderate, then do so, otherwise I would suggest to dk to find a different moderator, instead of one that so strongly puts forth their views and opinions in threads and attacks other members.

I agree.

Main Entry: mod·er·a·tor
Pronunciation: 'mä-d&-"rA-t&r
Function: noun
1 : one who arbitrates : MEDIATOR
2 : one who presides over an assembly, meeting, or discussion: as a : the presiding officer of a Presbyterian governing body b : the nonpartisan presiding officer of a town meeting c : the chairman of a discussion group

[IndyGal]

Why I was called out in a thread that I haven't participated in, I do not know??

I had listed you in one of my first replies if that is what you are referring to. I was not "calling you out" though. I was actually complimenting you when you have acted as a moderator.

[IndyGal]

Anywho I am done with this thread now. I just wanted to voice my own opinion. :D

[TheNoNamedOne]

So in a round about way you are questioning someone's intellect. Yes that is a personal attack. I would consider it as such if it were directed to me.

The rules are not based on your perception of them. You have to come to our perception of them. Even I finally had to come to the realization that I had to come to dk's perception of them. lol. That is why dk and I had disagreed on more than one instance. But, I accept that. You have to, too.

But, I don't think attention deficit or reading comprehension is the absolute measurement of IQ. That is why a lot of IQ tests deal with symbols and pictograph problem solving. Attention deficit could in fact be a physical problem. I think ridilen for kids is a good example of that, but many of those kids are intelligent.

Okay so my comment on DocP was in regards to him wearing his "moderator hat" and not how he is as a regular forum member and his debating skills.

On many forums it is considered bad form to pit moderators in comparison against one another. Your implication about my skills was not lost on me. Received loud and clear. Comment like these are often subtle ways to drive wedges between the moderating team, just as like creating threads titled, "Who is the best moderator?" or "Who is the worst moderator?" Whether or not dk is going to let such wedge driving comments be permissable is something he is going to have to decide on.

In any event, I explained why it is that you would not see me as good as DrP in moderating. Mainly because I enter controversial topics and debate hard on those and he does not. DrP has jumped in with his moderation that you speak of so highly of when I was off line. Had I come across those, I may have moderated similarly. Likewise, I have moderated when he has been off line. But honestly, the times for moderating action have been very few here, so it is almost impossible to use a good body of examples for judgement. But you felt compelled to do so.

I haven't seen anywhere in this thread where you have tried to moderate. I have just seen you arguing.

That is because dk has deleted my moderation of Boost's post and the comments I put there. dk disagreed that I did not move the previous post of mine along with Boost's. No biggy. I accept his moving that one. The point is that the whole thing was getting off topic from Losercruiser's thread and I felt that there needed to be a break away from it -- which is why we are here in TheProsecutor thread now.

It wouldn't be such a problem if you were just a regular forum member. As a forum moderator you are supposed to be setting the example for others and by no means going down to "their level".

No. The simple point is that mods are allowed to voice there opinions as are all members are to equally, and everyone has the right to defend themselves from comments and assertions so long as they do so within the rules. That has already been settled.

I do not partcipate in baiting or sniping.

Good for you. I wish we all didn't.

I have to say that what one perceives as baiting or sniping may not be what another would. There is a fine line there and because of that I would not petition for a rule against it. I think if there was one then everyone would be crying foul!

We will agree to disagree on that.

[P_chan]

I posted this in the vick 'humor' thread and thought it should belong here, since they closed the other one.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I considered them insults and that's all the really matters. Where is this insult comittie that judges weather or not something was an insult? Is it dk? Even if he said he didn't consider it an insult, it doesn't matter, I did. I took offense and you didn't back off. Especially since I came into that arguement neutral and you attacked me. Love your double standards.

But I'm going to stop because I don't really want to bring that up again.

[Muku]

Uchinamuku, from here on in this thread, like Dr.P has said prior, if you want to discuss this with me further, bring it to PM, or report the post you have a problem with. That is what the report feature is for.

There is also TheProsecutor thread you can take your criticism of me to.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation on this.

My only reply I am going to make in regards to this issue to you is this; opening a locked thread to post this is in my opinion childishness at best, no matter what you say or how you choose to twist my words into a comment that you make in reply matters nothing to me.

Doc P locked the thread, you showed disrespect to him and his decision to let dk handle it by reopening the thread only to make this above quoted post.

Lastly if you are a moderator here you should also know that I reported the post and thread before you made this reply as well. Think about that.

[dk]

I told them to reopen the thread. Enjoy. I'll look at it later, but from what I've heard so far, this is the action I want to take. Blame me.

[Muku]

I told them to reopen the thread. Enjoy. I'll look at it later, but from what I've heard so far, this is the action I want to take. Blame me.

I do not lay the blame at your feet, nor Doc P's either. You two have been fair and even in your moderating here on this forum. :thumbup:

Looking into the matter is all that anyone here can or should expect. Thank you for taking the time to check it out.:):thumbup:

[TheNoNamedOne]

Doc P locked the thread, you showed disrespect to him and his decision to let dk handle it by reopening the thread only to make this above quoted post.

Uchi, I have already addressed this issue with Dr.P.

I was texting my post when DrP had locked the thread. I posted right after he made his announcement without having seen it. It got in there before I saw his closing it.

And mods do not have to actually reopen a thread to post in a locked one. For me to know it was locked without DrP stating so in the thread, I would have had to gone to the main category of Humor and then see the lock icon on it. But like I said, for me to post there I don't have to unlock it. So, when I did submit my post I never got a message window pop up saying "thread locked."

[Fonze]

I'm moving this comment here to show u another of ur many hypicritical comments.
You say we should not have straight nationalism by asking "unscrutinized nationalism then?" Yet you seem to have unscrutinized belief in the AR movement. You acknowledge mistakes have been made in PETA an AR with violence.Would it have grown in publicity without that violence shown on t.v?, You make it seem though that as long as the cause is won the way it got there does not matter.

So then with that we shouldn't care about the mistakes our leaders make as long as we stamp out terrorism.

[Fonze]

Once again ur double standard shows, maybe you are the BIGGEST hypocrite in the world you write on animal rights that it okay to take one step back (violence or mistakes) and two steps forward(success in ur cause).. But your'e against steps this govt has taken to fight terrorist (hard interogation, some privacyor as winnie libs call standing for 22 hrs or pictures... torture) even though the end justifies the mean.

[TheNoNamedOne]

You say we should not have straight nationalism by asking "unscrutinized nationalism then?" Yet you seem to have unscrutinized belief in the AR movement. You acknowledge mistakes have been made in PETA an AR with violence.

How can my belief in the AR movement be "unscrutinized" if I can/have "acknowelegded" mistakes have been made?

Would it have grown in publicity without that violence shown on t.v?,

Man, I wish I knew what this meant so that I could address it. Anyone care to translate it for me? Thanks in advance.

You make it seem though that as long as the cause is won the way it got there does not matter.

Where and how have I made it seem that way? Or that that way should be the way? I sure don't want anyone killed or injured in the process of winning animal rights. I would hope that all that could be avoided and that care would be taken so that that would not come about. If I believed as you suggest I do, Fonze, that the ends justifies the means, then I wouldn't have been able to make these last comments in red.

So then with that we shouldn't care about the mistakes our leaders make as long as we stamp out terrorism.

No, I disagree with that and the philosophy of "themeans justifies the end." Ugly means do sometimes bring about the end, but that is an observation of fact -- not an endorsement of it.

[Fonze]

you said as long as we take two steps forward and only one back thats good cause its always going forward.

On the second if not for antics of peta and ar groups you danm well know it wouldn't be on t.v thus making it more public.

Yet people have been injured and property has been damaged. I don't how yu feel about tree hugging , but thats another cause of ur type. So you should also be for the war even though mistakes have been made and stuff does go wrong.

Just admit ur hypocricy

[TheNoNamedOne]

LOL! Fonze, are you flustered!? You are just all over the place. I am just really having a hard time following you and what you mean. I don't know, perhaps it is me, but I am beginning to feel I need to purchase a Fonze Filter from somewhere to understand you in a coherent way.

Again, perhaps someone could translate for you and to tie together the different things you keep throwing out.

[Fonze]

i dont know how to qoute sorry.

[TheNoNamedOne]

i dont know how to qoute sorry.

Oh.

Ok, look at the right bottom corner of the post you are reading. There you will see a series of small button boxes you can click on. If you are using OgenZen Fixed skin (the overly orange one), then the quote box has a checkmark in it and is second from the left. Click on that and that will quote the post for you to reply to.

While you are replying to the post, just above your text window you are typing in, you will see a number of tools. One looks like a bubble for talking used in comics. It is towards the right, actually 4 icons from the right. That is another quote command you can click on and break quotes up.

If you want, open up a thread in the Forum Feed back area titled like "Format Testing" and take a few minutes practing.

Let me know if you have some other questions on it and I willl be glad to help you out.

[Muku]

One word here;

CONDESCENDING!:thumbdown:

[Fonze]

Off the animal rights piece "Well first off, humans are animals, too."
Well you say as humans we shouldn't lower ourselves to there standards, but say we're animals.

Your'e being qouted since I couldn't bring these from other threads TP.

"Also, as we try to end suffering, it would be better if in fact we do have set backs in that area, it is done so as "two steps forward, one step back," so that at least progress is always added to. Up until now, there seems to be a constant net gain in progress for stemming suffering."

Now you say this but...

"Where and how have I made it seem that way? Or that that way should be the way? I sure don't want anyone killed or injured in the process of winning animal rights. I would hope that all that could be avoided and that care would be taken so that that would not come about. If I believed as you suggest I do, Fonze, that the ends justifies the means, then I wouldn't have been able to make these last comments in red."

Now that to me seems HYPOCRICY. So you believe Iraq is lost because mistakes were made, but according to your thinking thats just taking a step back and 2 forward.

On the t.v. part i will look for your post and find were you wrote something about peta antics on tv bringing your cause attention.

Last I know your PM said I should stop disrespecting readers by not using proper english writing, I hope I've done a better job.

[dk]

One word here;


CONDESCENDING!
:thumbdown:
DRAMA MAGNET!

No seriously, Fonzy doesn't know how to quote...

[P_chan]

Last I know your PM said I should stop disrespecting readers by not using proper english writing, I hope I've done a better job.

How are you disrespecting readers? Not everyone has the same english writing skills.

Seriously, the nerve of some people.

[Hollarey]

[/COLOR]DRAMA MAGNET!

No seriously, Fonzy doesn't know how to quote...

Woah!! BIG LETTERS!

[dk]

Last I know your PM said I should stop disrespecting readers by not using proper english writing, I hope I've done a better job.
You've done a hell of a better job. TP shared his PM with me before he sent it to you and after your reaction to him. I was pretty irritated at you for telling him to quit whining when all he did was suggest that you take more of an effort in getting your point across.

I'll be honest, I quit reading the majority of your posts about a week ago. You're lucky the PM wasn't from me. I'm not nearly as nice. You would have felt offended.

But great work on this post. When you respect others by taking the time to type like a native English speaker, people will return the respect by actually reading your posts.

*Jumps off soapbox* Back on topic, go!

[dk]

How are you disrespecting readers? Not everyone has the same english writing skills.

Seriously, the nerve of some people.
Oh please... Fonzy's posts were the lowest form of English I've seen in a long time. I was tempted to start every one of my replies to him with, "I know English isn't your native language but..." until he got the point and got his act together.

I've seen Japanese people type better English. I'VE SEEN MY WIFE type better English. I've only met one person on ALL FORUMS I'VE BEEN TO who was putting in less of an effort than some of Fonzy's previous posts.

TP's PM was right on the money, and he was nicer than me in that he sent it as a PM and didn't direct attention to Fonzy in an actual post, as I've done here. Like I said, he's lucky it wasn't me who was irritated at the moment.

P_chan, I'm really starting to think you'd disagree with TP on ANY point at the moment just out of dislike for him and his posting style.

[Fonze]

No seriously, Fonzy doesn't know how to quote...

I couldn't qoute from other threads

[P_chan]

um.....no. I had a hard time understanding his posts as well. But I didn't jump on him about it.

I think I've done a fairly good job of just ignoring TP lately. After all, ignorance is bliss.

[Fonze]

You would have felt offended.





I don't get offended by what others think, if I did I'd have hung myself by now. It must not be that bad though cause most of you understand what I mean by replying, I hope. Except for that comment I wrote on US navy trips up principle that was idiotic.

[dk]

um.....no. I had a hard time understanding his posts as well. But I didn't jump on him about it.

I think I've done a fairly good job of just ignoring TP lately. After all, ignorance is bliss.
Sometimes you have to jump on somebody. In this case, I think TP was absolutely correct. You admitted you were having a hard time reading him. I'm sure a lot of people were. Now read his post two posts back. Almost perfect English. A HUGE improvement. The guy has the capabilities to type decent English and all he needed was a kick-start.

So what's the problem? You're not one of those liberal tree-hugging be-nice-to-everybody-and-everything-will-be-perfect type people are you?

[dk]

I don't get offended by what others think, if I did I'd have hung myself by now. It must not be that bad though cause most of you understand what I mean by replying, I hope. Except for that comment I wrote on US navy trips up principle that was idiotic.
Good for you. I'm pretty blunt and every now and then I accidentally tick off people with thin skin.

Your posts today are much better.

[dk]

[/color]

Woah!! BIG LETTERS!
PINK TOO!!:thumbup:

[Fonze]

I'm trying my hardest and it's hurting my brain. Thanks for the nice words dk.

WHERES TP!

[DougP]

i5 t3h 1337 5p33k ()l< 2 /_/ 53 i l/l t3h forums? :)

[dk]

I'mway orrysay, eetlay eakspay isway unacceptableway. oweverHay, eelfay eefray otay etypay essay-lengthway ostspay entirelyway inway igpay atinlay!

[DougP]

ha ha that's ok I'll just stick to english for the time being and the occasional
ひらがな or カタカナ　:)

[Fonze]

When i said "would the AR movement grown without t.v.





Man, I wish I knew what this meant so that I could address it. Anyone care to translate it for me? Thanks in advance.





A qoute from why animals groups are succesful and growing.

"Another reason for the growth and success of animal orgs is their ability to capitalize on what drives the media: Controversy and sensationalism in news reporting."

So you admit in other post that you do know of this.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Yes? Point?

Connect the dots, please.

[Fonze]

Read back further and you will see more.

[Fonze]

So you see for your cause anything that happens good or bad you care, but you don't care that much cause the fight is moraly right. Right?

[TheNoNamedOne]

So you see for your cause anything that happens good or bad you care, but you don't care that much cause the fight is moraly right. Right?

Huh?

Try rewording that so I can answer it.

[Fonze]

So as long as the fight is moraly right the way in which it is achieved is okay.
I believe it is, even in your cause , but your double standards show on other topics.
Did you read page 14 of this thread. I tried really hard and hope you understand.

[TheNoNamedOne]

So as long as the fight is moraly right the way in which it is achieved is okay.

Is this what you are trying to say?:
"So long as the fight is a moral one, you believe that any way in which victory is achieved is okay, right?"


Is that it, Fonze? Is that what you are asking me?

If so, then "No!" I don't think purposely targeting people to kill or cause them bodily harm is ok. AR can be won without the mainstream AR orgs resorting to that.

I believe it is, even in your cause , but your double standards show on other topics.

Then you have to be better at bringing that double standard on this point to my attention. You know how to quote now, so it should be easy for you to do so. Show us a statement where I say it is ok to kill for AR in one post and then in another I say it is not ok to kill for AR.

Things are complicated in the world. Obviously some fights are going to require killing to stop some abuses. When a sadistic regime like Nazi Germany has a policy to annihilate a whole race and reason means nothing to them in a way in which they can be convinced to stop, then yes, that will require killing. When poachers refuse to respect the boundaries of national parks in Africa to the detriment of those species there, and the government arms the guards with orders to shoot on sight, then I support that as well.

As for winning protections and rights for animals, animal orgs have been enjoying great success in their efforts by using means that do not require killing. They can continue to do so because the power of persuasion is a renewable weapon that has shown to be effective for their cause.

Did you read page 14 of this thread. I tried really hard and hope you understand.

Yes, of course I did. Which post in particular are you referring to? I have answered them all.

[Hollarey]

PINK TOO!!:thumbup:


I like Pink!!

[TheNoNamedOne]

TheProsecutor thread is on its way to being one of the top posted in threads of the forum.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. First to my parents who raised me from humble origins, and to all of you who have stood by me. And much thanks goes out to the academy as well. Without all of you, this thread never would have climbed so high in the ranks it finds itself in. I will put this award on the mantle so I will always be reminded of all of your fine contributions to it. Let's keep it growing together so the other threads can stay clean from all the petty personal and off comments we cannot control ourselves from against making. And I would be remiss if I didn't give a special thanks to dk who started it all. Thanks, dk <smile>. You share in this reward as well.

It really is a bigger than life time achievement award. Hard to carry. But, I'll manage.
http://www.leonardmaltin.com/02-07-27/Oscar.jpg

[Muku]

I like Pink!!
Selective Moderating here TP, get out you "complaining" hat here and bitch at all the people that have had nothing to add to this thread.

This comment here, sorry Hollarey nothing personal against you, is way off topic.

I suggest that you tell these people the same things,

I will tell you politely, get back on topic, add to the thread in accordance to the topic, or just don't visit it.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Hollarey, Uchinamuku out of respect for consistency, would like me to remind you that you are off-topic with your post on fondness for colors. Please make a thread talking about colors you like and let this one stay on topic.

Thera ya go, Uchi. All you have to do is bring it to our attention when going off topic bothers you and think it requires some nudging back from us. We're here to help you. Help us help you, like you just did, bring it to our attention. Feel free to use the report feature, too.

[Muku]

Hollarey, Uchinamuku out of respect for consistency, would like me to remind you that you are off-topic with your post on fondness for colors. Please make a thread talking about colors you like and let this one stay on topic.

Thera ya go, Uchi. All you have to do is bring it to our attention when going off topic bothers you and think it requires some nudging back from us. We're here to help you. Help us help you, like you just did, bring it to our attention. Feel free to use the report feature, too.
You missed the point again......:-|

It isnt just Hollarey, what about dk, Doug, myself and everyone else participating on YOUR thread that made off topic remarks.

Please dont sit here and tell me you havent been reading along and "missed" them, that would be BS and you know it.

Will you ever get it?

[DougP]

Guilty. Sorry.

[dk]

Serious business.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Please dont sit here and tell me you havent been reading along and "missed" them, that would be BS and you know it.

I missed them.

Those who see something as off-topic that bother them have the responsibility to try and guide it back on topic or request that it be put back on topic. If that request is not respected, then report it and then the mods and admin will make a ruling on it. Simple.

[dk]

Seriously, we can't talk about TP 100% for 17 freaking pages... off-topic and humorous remarks are this topic's intermission. And good grief, this thread is still going strong and is still primarily about bitching at TP.

My post wasn't even off topic. You called TP condescending when he wasn't being and I called you a Drama Magnet in reply. It was my response to your response to TP. Then Holla said woah, big letters in response to our big letters and I made mention that it was done in pink, which she approved of!

There IS a connection. Perhaps you just fail to see it. It goes like this.


TP (Grammar Police)
|
You (Condescending)
|
Me (Drama Magnet) <- Holla (Woah)
|
Me (Pink yo!)
|
Holla (I like Pink!)

So you see, it is all connected.

[Muku]

I missed them.

That is a crock and you know it.

There IS a connection. Perhaps you just fail to see it. It goes like this.


dk I know it, I am the one that started it. I moved the discussion here because of this post.:D

Take it to TheProsecutor thread.
(http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13955&postcount=33)

dk I am NOT that dense:-|:D

[TheNoNamedOne]

Yes, but you didn't bring anything about eating dogs in Korea or my arse in a crunch from there to here.

You are stabbing in the wind.

[Hollarey]

TP (Grammar Police)
|
You (Condescending)
|
Me (Drama Magnet) <- Holla (Woah)
|
Me (Pink yo!)
|
Holla (I like Pink!)
[/code]
So you see, it is all connected.


Hahahaha...good way at describing how it is all connected DK.:w00t:

All arguements, debates...whatever, all involve the same people it seems. Just trying to break the ice somewhere in between. I will stop!! Sorry yo!

[dk]

No need to stop. You didn't do anything wrong. As I've shown, it's all connected!

[Hollarey]

As you can see, I am trying to look for post that dont involve "debates" with the same select few. Completely off topic though so I will move on from this thread.

Peace out!

[P_chan]

You're not one of those liberal tree-hugging be-nice-to-everybody-and-everything-will-be-perfect type people are you?
No, I'm one of those mind your own business, not everyone has the same back ground as you, be polite to others type of people.

[TheNoNamedOne]

No, I'm one of those mind your own business, not everyone has the same back ground as you, be polite to others type of people.

Yes, but this is a forum for discussion, amongst other things. That said, in discussion people are permitted to enquire about people' beliefs and question them, particularly so if it starts as a debate or evolves into one. Then one is quite right to put forth reasons why a person's position is wrong -- or at least why they believe it to be wrong, and try to persuade them from their belief, or those who are following it.

The nature of discussoin forums is not the most conducive environment for the "mind your own business" mindset when it comes to ideas. That is why you, too, have asked me at times about my beliefs here -- as I have you as well.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Man, my thread topics and those related to them started by others are just dominating the forum. I wasn't aware that the topics and myself were so popular until now.

When I am not really interested in a topic, I don't reply to them and have no need to keep them alive in the most recent posted categories. But, geesh, so many here can't resist talking about animals and food because of me. A lot of reactors here.

Even threads are created to duel my threads. lol!

Thanks, guys, for playing along and keeping the topics which are important to me dominating here. If you ever get tired of that, I would suggest you invest time to develop the discussions you really are interested in. But don't do that too much, because that would keep my threads away from the most recent postings more. I want you guys to keep helping me to some degree to keep them up there.

Oh, I forgot, you ARE interested in me and my discussions. Thanks again.

You all really do not know how easily manipulated you are, do you?

<Bows to the left, right, front and center.>

[P_chan]

Man, my thread topics and those related to them started by others are just dominating the forum. I wasn't aware that the topics and myself were so popular until now.

When I am not really interested in a topic, I don't reply to them and have no need to keep them alive in the most recent posted categories. But, geesh, so many here can't resist talking about animals and food because of me. A lot of reactors here.

Even threads are created to duel my threads. lol!

Thanks, guys, for playing along and keeping the topics which are important to me dominating here. If you ever get tired of that, I would suggest you invest time to develop the discussions you really are interested in. But don't do that too much, because that would keep my threads away from the most recent postings more. I want you guys to keep helping me to some degree to keep them up there.

Oh, I forgot, you ARE interested in me and my discussions. Thanks again.

You all really do not know how easily manipulated you are, do you?

<Bows to the left, right, front and center.>

Don't flatter yourself, the world doesn't revolve around you. Hell you revive a lot of your old threads after they have died.

I love meat, just because I want to make a topic about it, or proclaim that I love it, doesn't mean it's about you. You sound like one of those little 16 year old girls on MTV.

Plus if your the only one making threads, then yours will be the only one's posted in. Duh....:thumbdown:

[TheNoNamedOne]

I don't know, DrP. Why don't you and all the others try and find out. Go for it.

[TheNoNamedOne]

#182 goes to Dr.P.

Winner, come on down and collect your prize for playing the "I can't stop posting to TP." You've just won.....eeeeerrrrr NOTHING for your effort.

LOL!

[TheNoNamedOne]

Ooooooooh someone has used a profanity! Getting touchy DrP, are we? LOL!

You go chill! You are the one always reacting to my posts and threads, coming in them even after saying you were staying out of them. Go figure.

Couldn't control yourself, could you?

[P_chan]

battle of the mods round 1:D

But seriously, if we stop posting in your threads, the forum would die because most of the threads were made by you. Hell even if we weren't talking about you, it would still probably be in one of your threads.

[TheNoNamedOne]

battle of the mods round 1:D

But seriously, if we stop posting in your threads, the forum would die because most of the threads were made by you. Hell even if we weren't talking about you, it would still probably be in one of your threads.

Then you guys had better start pulling your weight. Getting tired of you all piggy backing on me. Jump off and get to it. LOL!

Don't you have many original thoughts of your own to bring up for discussion?

[P_chan]

No, I actually just enjoy reading what other people think. I do have my own thoughts, just don't fell like telling people about them. Don't feel like boring everyone or coming off as an arrogant ass.

Sorry I didn't know once I signed up for this forum I had to 'pull my own weight' and make a certain number of posts.

Think we should change the name of the forum to "another animal rights/vegetarian/vegan/ignorant forum".

[dk]

This is JapanUpdate. This forum is for the community living in Japan and others who just want to be here or have friends who are here. You are all free to talk about whatever you want to talk about. This is not a vegetarian community. TP happens to be vegetarian and is one of our more outspoken members, so it is only logical that many of the topics on this forum would be related to topics of interest to TP.

You are all free to talk about anything that interests you.

[P_chan]

Just checked, I've created 25 threads, is that enough? I think I also have the most posts for any non staff member.

So am I up to your 'standards'?

[TheNoNamedOne]

Thanks (seriously) TP for helping me pad my post count tonight...see you again tomorrow!

Likewise. No problem.

It is only understandable that those who seldom are able to put more than 3 or 4 sentences together need to pad their count with one or two liners. Keep it up, and since it matters to you, you just may catch up. But, who's counting?

Oh, you are. Good night.

[P_chan]

I didn't know we were having a pissing contest on this forum to try and have the most posts.

[Muku]

and is one of our more outspoken members, so it is only logical that many of the topics on this forum would be related to topics of interest to TP.

If you had written one of our more egotistical, self centered, and number one outspoken member I would have agreed with you 100% on the post where you made this comment.

Like I said I agree with everything else you wrote just not this part as you wrote it.:D

[DoctorP]

I didn't know we were having a pissing contest on this forum to try and have the most posts.

The reference to post count was because it was obvious nothing else was going to come from last nights posts. I don't think that anyone posted anything of substance at all yesterday...thus it just increased post counts.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Thank you for writing that. (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14657&postcount=74) It is rather easy to assume that TP did it himself, and I apologize to you for making that assumption. My mistake.

You see, this is a good example of you being hooked on my persona and where the post comes from, rather than content or message of post. If you were not hooked on my persona then perhaps you wouldn't find yourself making a mistake like this you are now back-pedaling on and apologising for.

[TheNoNamedOne]

No, I actually just enjoy reading what other people think. I do have my own thoughts, just don't fell like telling people about them. Don't feel like boring everyone or coming off as an arrogant ass.

Telling me/us about your thoughts, P, or trying to persuade me about the merit of your beliefs over mine would not make you come across as an arrogant ass.

Sorry I didn't know once I signed up for this forum I had to 'pull my own weight' and make a certain number of posts.

Of course not, but then don't be surprised about animal/vegetarian topics being a main component of the forum.

Think we should change the name of the forum to "another animal rights/vegetarian/vegan/ignorant forum".

Not at all. The present forum name and set up is the best. I really don't like discussing animal rights or vegetarian topics on AR or vegetarian forums because we are all for the most part in agreement on many things. No need to get our opinion out to each other when there are many people who are not ARists or vegetarians who may have never heard our arguments instead to engage.

Look at the good conversation DougP and I were having in the "Why Animal Rights?" (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1107) thread. It went along quite well and smooth without either one of us resorting to calling the other hypocrite, arrogant, or ignorant. Good model to consider for joining those topics with me in the future, or any other topic, if you feel compelled to do so. DougP made it look quite easy.

[Muku]

You see, this is a good example of you being hooked on my persona and where the post comes from, rather than content or message of post. If you were not hooked on my persona then perhaps you wouldn't find yourself making a mistake like this you are now back-pedaling on and apologising for.
Get off yourself a bit here.......

I am not hooked on you, you only think I am. I despise self centered, arrogant, egotistical, moderators on message boards, particularly one this small that are so full of themselves.

Edited to add; I apologize to those that read this and possibly get the wrong impression here, my rant is directed towards TP and TP only and hopefully is not taken as a reflection of any one else here on this board. That is not my intent in any way shape or fashion. Again to those that it does not concern please accept my apologizes.

Your posts here are like going to see the bearded lady at the circus, a curosity and just about everyone that sees her leaves with a sour taste in their mouths feeling sorry for the poor sideshow act and feeling ripped off because they didnt get their money's worth.

Thank goodness that dk and Doc P have the brevity, common sense, and proper personality to actually run this board.

ANd to those that dont know I never posted this quote here on this thread it comes from my reponse to Doc P on the following link;Marines, soldiers, and sailors need to stop whining about deployments (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14633)
in reference to posts 67, 69, 70, 72, 73 and 74.

Taken out of context it sounds strange by itself, however when followed along on the proper thread very easy to understand.

[Fonze]

Of course not, but then don't be surprised about animal/vegetarian topics being a main component of the forum.

Sorry to disagree with you, but There more of a space waster. There's about 7 threads that are about the same including the vick ones and they're hardly discussing topics.



Look at the good conversation DougP and I were having in the "Why Animal Rights?" (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1107) thread. It went along quite well and smooth without either one of us resorting to calling the other hypocrite, arrogant, or ignorant. Good model to consider for joining those topics with me in the future, or any other topic, if you feel compelled to do so. DougP made it look quite easy.

Sorry to disagree with you, but There more of a space waster. There's about 7 threads that are about the same including the vick ones and they're hardly discussing topics.

I also had some good conversation with you at first. The honest truth though only about 5 to 10% of your threads are conversation the rest is BS. The reason for that is I believe is you have not changed minds that weren't already made up. Nobody cares about AR people want to know your strange and expose your hypocricy.

[P_chan]

I really don't like discussing animal rights or vegetarian topics on AR or vegetarian forums because we are all for the most part in agreement on many things.

I did the exact same thing. I went to an AR forum to try and get some of their views and debunk what I think about AR people. Funny thing is, they banned me for not being a vegan. I didn't come off as rude, just presented my question and thanked them for all the input I was looking forward too. Guess they kinda strengthned my belief that a vast majority of ARist are nut jobs.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Well, you have to look at what they state the aim of their board is for and respect that. If you can't, then you shouldn't visit or post on their board. Some groups, groups of all kinds, sometimes create boards for networking and exchanging ideas on topics they already agree on amongst themselves.

If Japan Update made it the aim to only talk about good things about Okinawa and to not question that from the start, then any discussions even bringing into question something not good about Okinawa would not be permitted. Everyone has to follow the guidelines of the owners of sites.

Though, I have seen animal rights sites with opposing viewpoints debated strongly and allowed on them. Seems like you didn't visit the ones I have briefly visited before in the past.

[P_chan]

Still doesn't help my opinion about ARist.

[dk]

Maybe TP could provide a link and you can give it another shot if you still have the energy and ambition. Generally a bad idea to make a generalization about a whole group of people from one bad experience. There's been times in my life where I was convinced that all Japanese people were racist because of bad experiences. Doesn't mean I'm right.

[TheNoNamedOne]

What can I say? We all do form opinions that are hard to change about others and groups.

Besides that, everything I wrote about forums above your post is correct.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Maybe TP could provide a link and you can give it another shot if you still have the energy and ambition. Generally a bad idea to make a generalization about a whole group of people from one bad experience. There's been times in my life where I was convinced that all Japanese people were racist because of bad experiences. Doesn't mean I'm right.

I was going to, dk, but thought that linking to other forums is bad form on forums. Didn't want to make an exception for one, and then get called a hypocrite by someone here when we don't let someone else post a link to a different forum they want to promote.

[Muku]

I was going to, dk, but thought that linking to other forums is bad form on forums. Didn't want to make an exception for one, and then get called a hypocrite by someone here when we don't let someone else post a link to a different forum they want to promote.

You seem like you are a somewhat intelligent person......

Two words for you to assist P Chan and give him the link;

Private Message

[TheNoNamedOne]

You seem like you are a somewhat intelligent person......

Two words for you to assist P Chan and give him the link;

Private Message

You should have been half intelliegent to see that P_chan did not ask me for assistance in tracking down another forum. There is no need for me to feel an obligation to assist him in finding an AR forum to post in. I think he could track down an AR forum with debate with a little patience on his own with some key word searches.

Why do you feel a need to speak for P_chan? If P_chan wants, P_chan can request.

[Muku]

Why do you feel a need to speak for P_chan? If P_chan wants, P_chan can request.

Geez let me throw some of your words back at you....remember this...paraphrasing here.


You posted it on a message board and since it is a public forum anyone can reply as they choose. There are no laws against it.

Not a helpful person are you.....in fact I can not remember one post of yours here that you actually assisted anyone other than giving them a headache.

[TheNoNamedOne]

That is right. And, I am asking you about your need. Never said you couldn't post what you did.

You seem confused on things.

[Muku]

That is right. And, I am asking you about your need. Never said you couldn't post what you did.

You seem confused on things.

No not confused at all just playing your game back at you.:rolleyes:


What is your need to know why I wrote what I wrote?

[TheNoNamedOne]

Funny you. You're cute.

[Muku]

Funny you. You're cute.
Damn straight and dont you ever forget it.:army:

[hardplayer]

Oh. Stumbled on something. Not enough time for catching up on this. Kinda rough and tumble looking.

Maybe another day.

[dk]

I recommend the Brazilian Waxing (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=610) thread over this one. Much more entertaining. Much less drama. Pure win, that combination.

[P_chan]

I recommend the Brazilian Waxing (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=610) thread over this one. Much more entertaining. Much less drama. Pure win, that combination.

I agree with you!

[Fonze]

Yes this thread is only good to laugh at TP trying to defend himself.

[TheNoNamedOne]

It is also good for moving off topic posts directed at my person from other threads so that those threads can stay clean from those.

[Fonze]

I bet you weren't breast fed were you?

[Fonze]

This is what I picture you doing when not on the comp.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r62/commentyou/funny/images/8401409_l.gif

[TheNoNamedOne]

First off, Fonze, man that is a funny clip you posted above! Just looking at it makes me smile. When I am feeling down, I just might have to start my day looking at that.

-------------------------------------

Ok, Uchinamuku, the forum alpha poster on the hunt for a moderator's head to hang as his trophy, has posted this:

(1)Well, I am sure you [addressing dk] dont want to hear this, but I think you know the reason, and (2)I am not questioning your wisdom here just pointing out that a choice was made and with that choice some things just happen.

When you stick a steel rod in the air during a lightening storm I am pretty sure you would expect it to get hit.

...from HERE (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15501&postcount=16) as a reply to dk.

I am not moving that post, but am addressing those points he questions about dk about myself here -- but briefly:

(1) You are right. I don't think dk wants to hear you always crying about him chosing me to be a moderator. He has made that clear to you, but yet you persist in doing so.

(2) Wrong. As soft as you try to put it, you are, have been, and continue to question his wisdom.

He has made it clear that if you do not like it move on. He has also said that those people who continue to waste his time on the issue will be made so that they are no longer wasting his time on it.

Now, what is not clear about that? Why are you continuously ignoring what he has said on those points you are forever whining about?

[Muku]

TP I will let dk speak for dk. You have a choice as well.

Now, what is not clear about that? Why are you continuously ignoring what he has said on those points you are forever whining about?


Let's put this to a vote.......

Who is the bigger whiner on this forum?

TP or me?:D

You willing to take that chance?

[dk]

TP just spoke for me. He said exactly what I have already said before.

[TheNoNamedOne]

ON the points YOU keep whining about, dk has spoken. You seem to not understand his words on the matter. He is probably getting tired of having to repeat himself to you. To save him from doing so, why not just click on my signature for a reminder of a time when he did take the time to explain quite clearly on the matter. That will save him time from having to do so again.

Look at the rules of the forum: Don't waste dk's time!

I am trying to save him some time by reminding you what he has already said on the point. Get clear on that, please.

[Muku]

And for you TP, quit wasting my time in making faulty posts.

If you do that we should be fine.

[TheNoNamedOne]

If you think my posts are wasting your time, then simply do not read them. No rocket science about remidying that problem for you. And unlike the rule for dk, there is no rule for wasting your time.

I am quite fine if you feel the need to waste your time with reading my posts. I do not waste my time by following you around to your threads and posts. I am not even sure if I have posted to topics you are interested in to you more than the fingers on just one of my hands. You on the other hand cannot control yourself from doing so with me.

The proof is all over the place.

[Muku]

If you think my posts are wasting your time, then simply do not read them. No rocket science about remidying that problem for you. And unlike the rule for dk, there is no rule for wasting your time.

Do you need me to type slower so you can understand what I wrote in my previous reply?:rolleyes:

[dk]

Who is the bigger whiner on this forum?

TP or me?:D
Honestly, my vote would be on you and most of the other people who have ever complained about TP in this thread.

OH NOEZ, TP HURT MA FEELINGS!
OH NOEZ, TP ARGUES GUD.
OH NOEZ, OH NOEZ, TP ABUSES HIS RIGHTS AS A MOD (BS)
OH NOEZ, OH NOEZ, DK SHUD HUF CHUZEN A DIFFERENT MODARETER!

God**** already...

[dk]

I love my job.... :argh3:

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/japanupdate/ohboy.jpg

[Muku]

Honestly, my vote would be on you and most of the other people who have ever complained about TP in this thread.

OH NOEZ, TP HURT MA FEELINGS!
OH NOEZ, TP ARGUES GUD.
OH NOEZ, OH NOEZ, TP ABUSES HIS RIGHTS AS A MOD (BS)
OH NOEZ, OH NOEZ, DK SHUD HUF CHUZEN A DIFFERENT MODARETER!

God**** already...
dk I never complained about my "feelings" here about TP, only about his cavalier attitude towards people that disagree with him or point out his errors.

If that makes me a whiner than I guess I am world class.:D

[Muku]

I love my job.... :argh3:

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/japanupdate/ohboy.jpg

Yeah but you never know who the receipient is now do you?:eek:

[dk]

Huh? They were both being sent to me lol.

[dk]

dk I never complained about my "feelings" here about TP, only about his cavalier attitude towards people that disagree with him or point out his errors.

If that makes me a whiner than I guess I am world class.:D
No that was P_chan. Well, he felt insulted, but it wasn't an insult. Well... it wasn't against the rules at least.

If these forums live to be 5 years old in this format (vbulletin), I imagine this topic will easily clear 1000 pages...

[Muku]

Huh? They were both being sent to me lol.
Quite so I missed the "dk". My bad here!:ohmy:

Who luv's ya baby?:thumbup::army:

[Muku]

No that was P_chan. Well, he felt insulted, but it wasn't an insult. Well... it wasn't against the rules at least.

If these forums live to be 5 years old in this format (vbulletin), I imagine this topic will easily clear 1000 pages...

One can only hope!:thumbup::D

[dk]

I'll take the best posts and write a book. To be fair, TP will get 25% of all royalties since he made all of this possible. 5% will be split between everyone who has made TP sweat at one point or another. :p The other 70% is MINE!

[P_chan]

Doesn't really matter if you, or TP, or anyone else thought it wasn't an insult, I still felt insulted. I guess that makes me a whiney bitch then huh?

Since I follow the rules and retracted statements TP felt were "insulting" or a "personal attack", and he thanked me for it too. Why? Because I tend to be a nice person and didn't mean to insult with my remark. Obviously TP meant to insult with his remark, and he didn't apologize, or retract his statement. All because I just popped in and tried to lighten the mood. I get attacked by another member, staff member on top of it.

But I've said this all before, and I don't really care anymore.

Once I first got here, I really enjoyed reading all of TPs posts and thought he was a very informed and intresting person. I still do to some degree. But now I also know he is one stubborn SOB.:p

"...TP has helped get these forums to where they are today MORE THAN ANY SINGLE MEMBER."

Want a T-shirt or a medal for it or something?

Hmmmm.... I think it's time to change my quote again:D All in good fun of course.:)

[dk]

Once I first got here, I really enjoyed reading all of TPs posts and thought he was a very informed and intresting person. I still do to some degree. But now I also know he is one stubborn SOB.:p
You got that right. Dude is a pain in the @$$! lol.

I just don't understand how I have this amazing power to tolerate him and have a hell of a good time with him, and for almost everyone else he's just unbearable.

He's not that bad... Some of you guys drive me nuts equally. At least he does it with logic for the most part.

[P_chan]

I just don't understand how I have this amazing power to tolerate him and have a hell of a good time with him, and for almost everyone else he's just unbearable.

I've gotten better at that!:thumbup:

[TheNoNamedOne]

Oh, shhhheeet! I go out to walk the kids for 45 mins and come back with all this good material to build this thread up more! Man, I'm gonna have a good ol' time tonight. dk, get started on that book. I mean, damn, I am so famous here I am wondering if someone should submit a Wikipedia entry on TheProsecutor.

Question: What does this thread scream?!

Answer: FEED ME!

And you all come and oblige.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Honestly, my vote would be on you[Uchinamuku as the biggest whiner] and most of the other people who have ever complained about TP in this thread.

OH NOEZ, TP HURT MA FEELINGS!
OH NOEZ, TP ARGUES GUD.
OH NOEZ, OH NOEZ, TP ABUSES HIS RIGHTS AS A MOD (BS)
OH NOEZ, OH NOEZ, DK SHUD HUF CHUZEN A DIFFERENT MODARETER!

God**** already...

Good assessment and accurate portrayal of the situation. <I kinda like how you got vernacular like that, too.>

[dk]

I try to throw in humor when I can. :p

[Muku]

Good assessment and accurate portrayal of the situation. <I kinda like how you got vernacular like that, too.>
Do you honestly think I care one way or the other if you care or not?

Please dont flatter yourself, you are a tiny dog bisquit in the kennel of life.

[Muku]

I try to throw in humor when I can. :p
Well at least one person got it.:first::eek:

[TheNoNamedOne]

Well at least one person got it.:first::eek:

Yes, dk was talking about how he played with the pronounciation of those words. The message of the content of his whole post, though, was done in all honesty. Read it again if that has been lost on you or you doubt that.

But, yes, that style he used was quite humorous. We both agree there. Ha!

[Muku]

Yes, dk was talking about how he played with the pronounciation of those words. The message of the content of his whole post, though, was done in all honesty. Read it again if that has been lost on you or you doubt that.

But, yes, that style he used was quite humorous. We both agree there. Ha!


You fail to realize that I read it, and one other thing you fail to realize is that there is a difference between complaining and constructive critism.

If you need me to explain that in more detail feel free to ask.

Edited to add instead of starting a new post;

This is also the first board I have ever participated on that the administrator openly admits that one of his moderators is a pain the ass.

I guess everyone has to live with hemorrhoids once in a while.:rolleyes:

[TheNoNamedOne]

This is also the first board I have ever participated on that the administrator openly admits that one of his moderators is a pain the ass.

I guess everyone has to live with hemorrhoids once in a while.:rolleyes:

lol. I geuss this is one of the few boards where a moderator doesn't kiss up all the time. Most forum moderators do that to admin on other forums.

What can I say, dk knows I am here and that I speak my mind against him on forum matters behind the scenes that you are not aware of.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I love my job.... :argh3:

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/japanupdate/ohboy.jpg

Oh... that is some funny sh:t right there! Classic.

[Muku]

lol. I geuss this is one of the few boards where a moderator doesn't kiss up all the time. ]Most forum moderators do that to admin on other forums.
I disagree here. That may have been your experience, however you generalize too much.

What can I say, dk knows I am here and that I speak my mind against him on forum matters behind the scenes that you are not aware of
Might I suggest opening you mouth and switching feet:rolleyes:

So just because you dont kiss dk's ass on the open board, you do it in private instead?

that you are not aware of
Do you really think I care?:rolleyes:

Let me take the time here to educate you about a word that is not in your vernacular.

hu·mil·i·ty hyoo-mil-i-tee

A noun, the quality or condition of being humble; modest opinion or estimate of one's own importance, rank, etc. a disposition to be humble; a lack of false pride

or in Japanese since we live here in Japan;
謙そん, けんそん, kenson, meaning; humble; humility; modesty

In Okinawa you must come across as being "ga-ju" or "gankou". I truly hope for your sake that isn't the case. I also sincerely hope that you are not like this personality that you portray here on this board in real life. And that, all sarcasm aside here, is the truth. I wish you well.:)

[TheNoNamedOne]

So just because you dont kiss dk's ass on the open board, you do it in private instead?

dk will tell you himself that on more than a few occassions I have strongly gone up against him on issues, in public here -- and in private. Ask him yourself if you don't believe me. Don't you take his word for it?

No ass kissing on my part... but you on the other hand in the following paraphrases here and there in the forum...

...not questioning your wisdom when indeed you have.

...then disagreeing with his decisions and then in the same breath ...you're doing an excellent job ...


I wish you well

Does this mean you are leaving the thread? Sounds kinda like a withdrawel. Please do post again here when you feel the urge. Oh, and if you go off topic in threads again like you did in the language one, you don't have to worry, without even moving your post, I will quote you, drag it over hear, and address it here. So, in all probability you will be back here because you are having a serious problem with me and and can't stay off of me. I don't mind too much, because you are helping considerably in growing this thread.

[dk]

This is also the first board I have ever participated on that the administrator openly admits that one of his moderators is a pain the ass.
LOL it was kind of a joke. Kind of. Like I said, a bunch of you have lately been a pain in the ass to me too lol. You know who you are...

[TheNoNamedOne]

This is primarily dedicated for those of you who have been hoping for a rift between dk and myself and still hold out hope that my posisiton as moderator will be terminated.
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If we were able to look inside dk’s head about what he thinks about TP, I think this is pretty close to something of what we would see:

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Man, TP is a pain in the ass sometimes, but hey I respect him for him not being intimidated by the number of people who come up against him or their views on topics against him, or even him personally. He sticks to his guns, and for the most part he tries to debate the issues and points without making it about the other person. But, when another makes it personal, he will defend himself and hit back -- and rightfully so.

Of course, I don’t agree with his views on many of the topics, but he brings up some good points that are worth discussing and not always so easy to get around. He writes well, too, damn it. And he is a stickler for reason and logic. He also doesn’t let people slide no matter who they are. He gives me, despite my position, just as much of a hard hitting argument that he does anyone else, not only on topics but forum moderation and administration as well. I respect him for that.

He also does not avoid points addressed to him, and if he doesn’t get to them right away, he tries to get back to them and welcomes that people remind him to get back to those points. He tries to be quite thorough and for the most part he reaches a high standard on that point. I would imagine it is pretty hard for one person to answer many posts and questions posed by many against him, but he does a pretty good job at fielding that. He also doesn’t resort to ganging up or recruitinig a mob, or inviting a mob to target another. Hell, I’ve seen him with enough tenacity and perseverence to weather the mobs that have come at him, and he always remains standing. Sh:t, he is a one man mob killer.

Again, eventhough I don’t agree with his final analysis on many issues, from his side of the argument he knows his shit and just doesn’t pull shit out of the air. It is obvious that he is well read on the main topics that interest him and can carry a conversation on a wide range of other topics as well. He has definitely thought through his positions carefully before putting them forth and defending them. He tries to be consistent, too.

Room for improvement? Yes. Always is for all of us. In the end, right on the issues? Who’s to say? But hey, short of a real lawyer, if I had to have someone go up to bat in defense for me to argue my story, I’d be hard pressed to think of anyone else I know who I’d rather have represent me than TP. I know he is going to freakin bring the heat for me and not let me down on that with knowlegde, reason, and tenacious energy. Damn, maybe he has some Pit Bull blood coarsing through his veins!

But, I wish he’d stop filling my PM box up. Because of him I may have to ramp it up to 500 messages allowed. Good thing his PMs don’t count as threads. He’d be killing the JU bot even more. But for the most part his PMs are good natured, funny, and supportive to me and JU Forums. Good to have someone like TP in your corner backing you up.

Also, he needs to bring back a DVD I lent him a couple years ago, damn it. That’s how I actually know he is not a freakin bot. I have seen him with my own eyes in the flesh. Some may not beleive me, though, because they have grown him into legendary proportions -- eventhough that is a villified one from their perspective.

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Hope I didn’t take any liberties on that dk and that that would be a pretty accurate snapshot into your thoughts on me and my time here with JU forums, the new incarnation as well as the old.

[Fonze]

From a completely neutral stand point :army:

TP what I see as your prob is you debate about 15% and tell others they're wrong and your'e right and insult in a different manner, not **** you, your an idiot or other ways that only a few understand.

I do not think moderator should be your title but if dk thinks its okay then what choice does anyone else have. You do semm educated, but educated towards your beliefs only.

[Muku]

Only too add from a purely sarcastic point of view;

I really do enjoy seeing TP write all this "information" supporting himself, and creating his own legend.

I hope he keeps it up, saves me time doing research.

[dk]

LOL tp, nice post.

But my thoughts are actually a lot simpler than that. "Man I could go for some pizza and a large doctor pepper right now."

:p