Dalai Lama 'to resign' if violence worsens

[Jrocka83]

Dalai Lama 'to resign' if violence worsens


http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/03/18/tibet.unrest/index.html

The truth is the Dalai Lama does condem violence. The upmost contrary, to TP's earlier abducing attack on Buddhism. Leading persons to think the Dalai Lama condones violance.


Protests resulting in violence have broken out in Tibet by many Tibetans/Buddhists who oppose Chinese rule and policy to the region.

Often seen as the most revered living Buddhist leader of Buddhism, the Dalai Lama has not condemned the violence, nor has he issued an order to those who are resorting to protests to do so only peacefully and within the law. Why do such a large number of Buddhists respect a man who cannot condemn these actions, and perhaps his silence is complicity in violence and inciting it?

Buddhism, the religion or ethical system of peace -- or hypocrisy?

I would say the latter -- particularly when those who profess it as their religion know that the Dalai Lama supports other groups who resort to direct action protests.


http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4689

[ryukyuboi]

Bush condemns violence, too. Go figure.

[Jrocka83]

Bush condemns violence, too. Go figure.

Woe, hold on a second. There is a huge ******* difference between the Dalai Lama and Bush.

First off, the Dalai Lama does not have a millitary. The Dalai Lama is a spiritual leader. Bush is a damn president.

Second off, Bush never once said he would resign if violance continued in the Middle East.


What a weezle of a comment.:thumbdown:

[GODH8SU]

WTF cares. Let em go. He's a grown ass man. Man the fvck up or get out of the way.

[TheNoNamedOne]

The truth is the Dalai Lama does condem violence. The upmost contrary, to TP's earlier abducing attack on Buddhism. Leading persons to think the Dalai Lama condones violance.

He's a little slow in condemning it. Jrocka, does he just condemn it conceptually, or does he condemn the actual persons hand in hand with the violence they perpetrated? Has he ever named persons in his condemning of violence?

He hasn't condemned SeaShepherd -- or has he?

Maybe he is kinda like Ingrid Newkirk of Peta: She doesn't support violence, but then she doesn't name individuals and condemn them. Ingrid and Peta have no army either -- just followers and supporters of PETA, since you used that point of an "army" with your previous post.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Rock stars have armies...why not PETA?

http://media.kissonline.com/images/kissarmy1.gif

[Jrocka83]

He's a little slow in condemning it. Jrocka, does he just condemn it conceptually, or does he condemn the actual persons hand in hand with the violence they perpetrated? Has he ever named persons in his condemning of violence?

He hasn't condemned SeaShepherd -- or has he?

Maybe he is kinda like Ingrid Newkirk of Peta: She doesn't support violence, but then she doesn't name individuals and condemn them. Ingrid and Peta have no army either -- just followers and supporters of PETA, since you used that point of an "army" with your previous post.

Well, isnt singling people out, violance of the tongue. I think it is. I trust Dalai Lama, and his disicions. Condem people individualy for there actions doesnt really do anything, but make there person more angry and more violent, thus slaming the door of peace on them.

[TheNoNamedOne]

The Dalai Lama is said to not support violence by his spokespersons.
The Chinese governement is saying that he and his clique are responsible for the violence that has taken place in tibet.
The mere accusation by some members of the Chinese government, who I am assuming they have confessions of proof from agitators they have caught and interrogated, makes it so.
All political and policy violence is terroristic.
The Dalai lama is a terrorist leader.
All Buddhists are terrorists, eventhough the Dalai Lama's sect is the terroristic one.
Buddhism and Buddhists support terrorists.
Buddhists are terrorists.


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Ingrid Newkirk is said to not support violence by her spokespersons.
Some members of the U.S. government and some of its people are saying that she and her org's followers are responsible for the violence that has taken place against animal exploiters.
The mere accusation by some members of the U.S. government, who I am assuming have some confessions of proof from former members they have caught and interrogated, makes it so.
All Animal Rights political activism and violence are terroristic.
Ingrid Newkirk is a terrorist leader.
All Animal Rightists are terrorists, eventhough Ingrid Newkirk's org is the terroristic one.
Peta and Animal Rightists support terrorists.
Peta members and Animal Rightists are terrorists.



Whew...glad we finally got that cleared up about all Buddhists and Animal Rightists being terrorists based on declarations, selected confessions, prosecutions, and accusations out of the way!

[Jrocka83]

The Dalai Lama is said to not support violence by his spokespersons.
The Chinese governement is saying that he and his clique are responsible for the violence that has taken place in tibet.
The mere accusation by some members of the Chinese government, who I am assuming they have confessions of proof from agitators they have caught and interrogated, makes it so.
All political and policy violence is terroristic.
The Dalai lama is a terrorist leader.
All Buddhists are terrorists, eventhough the Dalai Lama's sect is the terroristic one.
Buddhism and Buddhists support terrorists.
Buddhists are terrorists.
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Ingrid Newkirk is said to not support violence by her spokespersons.
Some members of the U.S. government and some of its people are saying that she and her org's followers are responsible for the violence that has taken place against animal exploiters.
The mere accusation by some members of the U.S. government, who I am assuming have some confessions of proof from former members they have caught and interrogated, makes it so.
All Animal Rights political activism and violence are terroristic.
Ingrid Newkirk is a terrorist leader.
All Animal Rightists are terrorists, eventhough Ingrid Newkirk's org is the terroristic one.
Peta and Animal Rightists support terrorists.
Peta members and Animal Rightists are terrorists.

Whew...glad we finally got that cleared up about all Buddhists and Animal Rightists being terrorists based on declarations, selected confessions, prosecutions, and accusations out of the way!

Where do you live?

[TheNoNamedOne]

In Okinawa, Jrocka. How about you?

[Go-Shay]

da' Dalai Lama said he would like to meet with the folks in China and clear up some confusion. any thoughts?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Well, more specifically he really wanted to meet Hu, the Chinese PM, and talk turkey about autonomy for Tibet. He didn't want the possible meet to be used as a mere photo-op by the Chinese, but if they were serious about discussing peace & progress, he is willing to travel to Beijing to talk.

[Jrocka83]

Well, more specifically he really wanted to meet Hu, the Chinese PM, and talk turkey about autonomy for Tibet. He didn't want the possible meet to be used as a mere photo-op by the Chinese, but if they were serious about discussing peace & progress, he is willing to travel to Beijing to talk.

These would be a major step forward, between the Chinese and the Dalai Lama. Then again, it may be an oportunity for them to arrest the Dalai Lama. He does have warrants for his arrest in China, thats why he is in exhile? Maybe this is the Dalai Lama's Intention. Then there would truly be a uprise, if the D.L. was taken into custody.

[bikeguy74]

If anyone was curious http://www.freetibet.org/ and if you want real news about all of asia I know it's kinda off topic but good reading http://www.rfa.org/english/

[okisteve]

Well, more specifically he really wanted to meet Hu, the Chinese PM, and talk turkey about autonomy for Tibet. He didn't want the possible meet to be used as a mere photo-op by the Chinese, but if they were serious about discussing peace & progress, he is willing to travel to Beijing to talk.


Here's an audio account of someone else's meeting with the Chinese leader. I hope the Dalai Lama can do better:

http://play.rbn.com/foo.ram?url=livecon/kcrw/g2demand/ls/ls060423le_Show.rm&start=40:15&proto=rtsp

[Brand_X]

how do you resign as a spiritual leader? thats not something you choose thats something the people choose for you.

[TheNoNamedOne]

how do you resign as a spiritual leader? thats not something you choose thats something the people choose for you.

IIRC, I think the Dalai Lama said he would resign as the leader of the Tibetan Government in exile, but would retain his spiritual leader status as the Dalai Lama.

[SPMF#1]

I don't like the way things are going either...I think I'll quite too. Some example he is...

[Jrocka83]

how do you resign as a spiritual leader? thats not something you choose thats something the people choose for you.

He could never resign from being the Dalai Lama himself, but like TP said he would resign as the Head of Government.. The Dalai lam is a reincarnation of the Buddh of Compassion, he forever live on earth through reincarnation.

[TheNoNamedOne]

The Dalai lama is a reincarnation of the Buddh of Compassion, he forever lives on earth through reincarnation.

Jrocka, do all/most Buddhists accept that? Some sects? Or just the Tibetan school of Buddhism?

[Jrocka83]

Jrocka, do all/most Buddhists accept that? Some sects? Or just the Tibetan school of Buddhism?

Just the Tibetan sects of Buddhism. But most sects respect him as a spiritual leader.

[Asshat]

Just the Tibetan sects of Buddhism. But most sects respect him as a spiritual leader.

The one thing that I always disliked about my faith was the part about "dogma." Having to agree with every assertion made on behalf of men because it was part of the whole.

And yes, it is my experience that most sects respect him is a spiritual leader, but fall short of saying he has attained Buddahood.

Lotus Sutra-since 1986. ;)

[Jrocka83]

The one thing that I always disliked about my faith was the part about "dogma." Having to agree with every assertion made on behalf of men because it was part of the whole.

And yes, it is my experience that most sects respect him is a spiritual leader, but fall short of saying he has attained Buddahood.

Lotus Sutra-since 1986. ;)

SGI? :D

*Randum Message/Message to Short: Animal Crakers Rock.....!

[TheNoNamedOne]

SGI? :D


Most probably.

[Asshat]

SGI? :D

*Randum Message/Message to Short: Animal Crakers Rock.....!

Yes- 21 years now. But I did get quickly turned off by the "congregation" which was one of the reasons I escaped Christianity.

I have a problem with the lines being obscured by "men" who feel the need to be in power. But as far as the sutra goes, I agree with most of the tenents within it, especially as they relate to modern man.

This is why I get turned off by some of the politik the Dali Llama finds himself in. He has had to retain press agents (I read) and of course acting as a social and a religious leader at the same time, goes against my inate American grain of separation of Church and State. :)