23 SOFA status busted: 48 hours to pack and leave

[grid123456]

Rumors confirmed. The qoute below was taken from an e-mail from a military official. Bottom line, those who violate the order are being dealt with switly.


.".......to date, there have been 23 SOFA status individuals removed from Okinawa since the general order took effect. 23. Individuals have been given 48 hours to pack-out, and depart. These are folks that have been seen at places like Starbucks, McDonalds, CoCos curry, and even visiting Okinawan friends. Clearly, the military command intends to enforce this general order. Two things:

1. If you intend, or need, to be off base, for any reason - please
use
the approved procedure. Request the off base time, get the request approved, and keep the letter of approval in your possession.
2. Don't be off base.

We don't want to loose any of our people this way."

[Muku]

Rumors confirmed. The qoute below was taken from an e-mail from a military official. Bottom line, those who violate the order are being dealt with switly.


Who is the military "official" and from what unit?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Something's fishy...

[grid123456]

Official was from Marine Corps Base G-4. I have the name but didn't really think it important to the conversation. Afterall, we all use fake names on here because we don't want to use our real names.

[Black Orchid]

what happens to the active duty.. and what happens if you have your kids with you and you do this

just wondering dont have anymore urges to do this...

[momo-chan]

Hmmm.... Interesting indeed.

[proudtobnotpc]

still sounds like a rumor/heresay to me

[Crazysix]

Yeah and seeing hot official mails should not be put out on public access...good idea

[momo-chan]

No way it could end this easily....

[Crazysix]

what happens to the active duty.. and what happens if you have your kids with you and you do this

just wondering dont have anymore urges to do this...
Ask the Air force Major and his family people I know have confrimed that story true

[Blackbyte]

I had the same email forwarded to me. The person that forwarded it received it through his command.

[grid123456]

We all (here in my office) were just having this same discussion. The military cannot punish a military member under the UCMJ for something their family did. There simply is no article to cover it. If the family member who gets caught is a spouse, the kids don't have to go but more than likely they will go anyway because lets face it, military life is to unstable to have to deal with single parent issues. If the family member who gets caught is a minor, a guardian will have to go back with them which probably means everyone will wind up going except the family member.

If the family member who gets caught is 18 years old and the son or daughter or the service member, I suppose they could go by themselves since the are an adult.
WHere it becomes really interesting is if both mom and dad are service members and and the teenage child gets caught. What then?

Also, when they do early return of dependants, where do they send your family? DO you just pick a city?

[Crazysix]

http://soldave.thedeepstop.com/ here another link, There is no article for punitive punishment other than general article aka the catch all, but I have seen service member receive page 11, NJP ect and as far as SNCO and Officers it can reflect on their fitrep, They use to send your family to the nearest port of entry, they may send to your list home of residence, As far as the question about the child if both Parents are AD,they will send the child, AD are responsible for completing their tours. This how it use to be, dont know about now, but its probably the same.

[momo-chan]

My hubby just emailed me from Afghanistan and told me he heard of 12 people getting busted and having to leave island within 48 hours. Amazing how quickly information moves!!

[Muku]

If this rumor turns out to be a fact, then the people who are being forced to leave should be asking themselves....

Was the (Insert favorite food here) worth it?


Question to the masses here.....I take it there is no due process then.

[Crazysix]

Well they way I see it is if you or your dependants cant follow a simple order, then you or them need to go, and pay the piper

[Oki0619]

Well they way I see it is if you or your dependants cant follow a simple order, then you or them need to go, and pay the piper

Concur

If you are an American Citizen here under the SOFA ride out the storm, it is better than cutting gator squares.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Well they way I see it is if you or your dependants cant follow a simple order, then you or them need to go, and pay the piper
This piper?

http://www.garywill.com/wrestling/canada/photos/roddypiper.jpg

[DADOG]

I think people are latching onto a rumor of people being kicked off the island. never happen so fast no matter who it is. funny how someone claims to know who told someone else, or them, but they don't think they need to post the name. who says this happened? it didn't that's why no names.
easy way to get a rumor going.
names of who was kicked out would be all over this forum if it was true as would shysters, (lawyers), filing papers to stop the action.

[DougP]

No one wins in the game of SOFA:(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/DougGTR32/SOFA-1.jpg

[okidani]

I know the people caught out in town are losing command sponsorship however, the 48 hrs thing sounds unreasonable.

[P_chan]

I thought we already had another thread addressing this?

[Gambino]

Its a good thing there are no OPSEC issues concerning all this.....:(

[badkitty]

All I wanna do is have the ability to take my kids to the park across the street....

[silviasichigo]

This piper?

http://www.garywill.com/wrestling/canada/photos/roddypiper.jpg


HAHAHA :thumbup:

[Jack Baretz]

I know the people caught out in town are losing command sponsorship however, the 48 hrs thing sounds unreasonable.

If any of this were reasonable, we wouldn't be getting busted for ordering ice coffees and capacinos at Starbucks. Consider that ID's are being pulled and dependents are given a 48 hour base pass to pack their shit, or face deportation by JP's. 48 hours is more time than the illegals in the states get these days.

[A'Sharad]

OK folks. Some of you know where I work some dont. I can confirm this as fact. Individuals lost sofa status. Most left on the freedom bird. Some have households to get together and will be leaving commercially. No word yet on if they will be returning here.

[grid123456]

Actually dependants can leave in 48 hours. The service member would have to deal with sending the household good back via the movers. Also, no legal action can be taken. Since Early return of dependants is an administrative action and not a punative or legal action, no court has any jurisdiction.

[EatMoreFish]

Well, I truly thought my command was one of the more intelligent ones that let common sense prevail. I was wrong. We are now told that we have to get a waiver to pay the damn rent. So, therefore, I hereby apologize to all of you that I called crazy. STOP THE MADNESS

[tank03]

seriously, how hard is it to just stay on base? I say they get what they deserve. There were bases FULL of drunken servicemen this past weekend and not ONE broke the rules, and went off base.

[badkitty]

How dumb do you have to be?? I mean really??? I hope that getting busted was worth it.... What chaps my hide the most is that I have to get a hall pass to pay my cell phone bill.... What's next are we going to have to carry 341's??

[P_chan]

seriously, how hard is it to just stay on base? I say they get what they deserve. There were bases FULL of drunken servicemen this past weekend and not ONE broke the rules.


Not one you say? Show me proof!

[badkitty]

seriously, how hard is it to just stay on base? I say they get what they deserve. There were bases FULL of drunken servicemen this past weekend and not ONE broke the rules.


Obviously you don't frequent the Airman's Club on Kadena......

[tank03]

we would have heard of it, trust me. We were told by a MGySgt about the wives getting busted, and heard nothing about any Marine related incident.

[EatMoreFish]

Not one you say? Show me proof!

There was one fight Friday night at the Globe and Anchor.

[DougP]

If its on base and doesn't involve a DUI, sexual assault or a local it probably just stays "in house"

[EatMoreFish]

we would have heard of it, trust me. We were told by a MGySgt about the wives getting busted, and heard nothing about any Marine related incident.

I am sure that there were many issues. We or the rest of the world will never hear of. Most of this stuff is always swept under the carpet.

[tank03]

There was one fight Friday night at the Globe and Anchor.

that's normal, what I was talking about was servicemen getting caught off base, like those civilians

[badkitty]

We are in a "Period of Reflection" right now.... no one wants to add fuel to the fire... No one wants it to get out that we can't even act like right on base.....

[EatMoreFish]

If its on base and doesn't involve a DUI, sexual assault or a local it probably just stays "in house"

Hell, I know of senior ranking enlisted Air Force type that was accused of raping the same Okinawan girl twice. At first he was put up on charges and then he just merely was rotated to his next duty assignment and is on his final tour where he is going to be left to retire.

Of course, this all happened on base. And the girl worked for him.

[badkitty]

Air Force = CYA... By any means necessary.....

[Black Orchid]

anothe question is it like a faster ERD? will you get COLA where you get sent to or not?

[badkitty]

COLA would only exist if you were overseas, if your dependents got sent back you wouldn't not get paid COLA for them. You would just get BAH for wherever they are living.

[Oki0619]

COLA would only exist if you were overseas, if your dependents got sent back you wouldn't not get paid COLA for them. You would just get BAH for wherever they are living.

There is CONUS COLA just only in certain areas IE San Francisco, Hawaii etc

[EatMoreFish]

There is CONUS COLA just only in certain areas IE San Francisco, Hawaii etc

I think they call that Locality Pay. I.E. 25% of your base pay in Hawaii and Guam.

[momo-chan]

FYI... the rumors of the personnel being busted are NOT true.

[momo-chan]

No one is being sent back ERD as far as our command says.

[uriel]

So far this is a scare rumor, and no one has actually spoken to anyone this has affected. But, I don't wanna test it. Een though they can't make my wife go anywhere (Japanese citizen), I lose so much it isn't even worth it...

[socalheart]

Because you and your children playing in a public playground outside a military installation may be construed as malicious, criminal and conduct unbecoming a military dependent. :rolleyes: A dollar says that if you ask your command for written permission to go to the park across the street, they will say to go to a park/playground on base. They see no reason why you shouldn't pack up your kids, diaper bag, jackets, snacks and/or outside toys, because they have no effing common sense as fathers with wives who took care of their children, if any, while they went to work keeping us safe from ourselves. :rolleyes:
All I wanna do is have the ability to take my kids to the park across the street....

This is a sarcastic over-generalisation of the command officers and their intent. I'm annoyed and sleep-deprived; and don't you holier-than-thou trollers dare say it's due to the lockdown. You don't know me from Eve, so don't you dare lest a colony of ants infest your kitchens.

[Oki0619]

I think they call that Locality Pay. I.E. 25% of your base pay in Hawaii and Guam.

http://perdiem.hqda.pentagon.mil/perdiem/ccola.html

If you open up the location link its funny how San Diego is not on there but Bakersfield and a few other low cost cities are....

[badkitty]

Because you and your children playing in a public playground outside a military installation may be construed as malicious, criminal and conduct unbecoming a military dependent. :rolleyes: A dollar says that if you ask your command for written permission to go to the park across the street, they will say to go to a park/playground on base. They see no reason why you shukdn't pack up your kids, diaper bag, jackets, snacks and/or outside toys, because they have no effing common sense as fathers with wives who took care of their children, if any, while they went to work keeping safe from ourselves. :rolleyes:


This is a sarcastic over-generalisation of the command officers and their intent. I'm annoyed and sleep-deprived; and don't you holier-than-thou trollers dare say it's due to the lockdown. You don't know me from Eve, so don't you dare lest a colony of ants infest your kitchens.

Actually that is what wa told me to me, why not drive 25 minutes to come on base and fight for parking at the park and spend time with other people that I don't know versus walking across the street and sit and chat with my Japanese neighbors....

[Black Orchid]

ya BAH! thats what i meant... would you get that still even if you got kicked off here.

[ryukyuboi]

I don't know if this person is one of the 23 or not, but I do know that a SOFA civilian person was "busted" by another SOFA civilian person for going to McDonalds drive thru - buying a BigMac. The "busted" SOFA civilian person is being investigated for disobeying the order.

[momo-chan]

MCB Butler put out an official statement today saying that NO civilians, dependents or service members have been busted and no one has been sent back or is in the process of being sent back ERD at this time.

[DoctorP]

Ok...DocP sat in on a meeting this morning. It was confirmed in the meeting (by some very high ups) that no Marine SOFA status personnel have been ERD'd (spouse, dependent or otherwise). Some may have been caught, but not ERD'd. DocP cannot speak for the AF or Army though...but it seems as though the AF has been less strict with this all along, so hard to believe that they would have done anything.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Thanks for the update DocP. Not surprising in the least...

[Crazysix]

Just Follow orders and this shit will end its simple, if your spouse feels that this is stupid, or they are above it,why risk your career? Put their happy ass on a freedom bird and be done with it. They need not only punish military but civvies and spouses who violate this order. Its simple. Its not a six month float so you have some luxuries, enjoy them. When the mrs or Mr starts to bitch about it remind them it is the military not a govt paid vacation.

[Crazysix]

Ok...DocP sat in on a meeting this morning. It was confirmed in the meeting (by some very high ups) that no Marine SOFA status personnel have been ERD'd (spouse, dependent or otherwise). Some may have been caught, but not ERD'd. DocP cannot speak for the AF or Army though...but it seems as though the AF has been less strict with this all along, so hard to believe that they would have done anything.
Marine Spouse do not rack a discprine

[ryukyuboi]

The civilian SOFA person snagged by another civilian SOFA person works on Kadena, and has no connection with the USMC.

[DoctorP]

Notice that DocP mentioned that they have not been ERD'd...there have been some people caught.

[Crazysix]

they should be erd, if they cant follow orders send them a packin

[grid123456]

momo-chan can you post a link to the press release by MCB Butler?

[momo-chan]

I'm sorry... Maybe I should have rephrased that last post. It was sent out through official higher channels to my husband's command. Then passed to me as official information from his command. Per his command, no USMC dependents or civilians have been busted and sent back or are in the process of being sent back at this time to his knowledge. We were also told that if we heard rumors to not fuel them by passing them around.

[OtisPMerriweather]

We all (here in my office) were just having this same discussion. The military cannot punish a military member under the UCMJ for something their family did. There simply is no article to cover it. If the family member who gets caught is a spouse, the kids don't have to go but more than likely they will go anyway because lets face it, military life is to unstable to have to deal with single parent issues. If the family member who gets caught is a minor, a guardian will have to go back with them which probably means everyone will wind up going except the family member.

If the family member who gets caught is 18 years old and the son or daughter or the service member, I suppose they could go by themselves since the are an adult.
WHere it becomes really interesting is if both mom and dad are service members and and the teenage child gets caught. What then?

Also, when they do early return of dependants, where do they send your family? DO you just pick a city?

Well this argument does not seem to hold water. I've even heard AFN commercials about kids shoplifting from the PX and vandalizing and the sponsor having to do community service with the kid or the sponsor having to reimburse the gov't. Same as if your family member destroys something at base housing, you SPONSOR them and are therefore responsible for their actions. And I bet if you said no, you would either be charged with some form of contempt or failure to obey a lawful order, not to mention what it would do to your fitreps. But anyways...

As far as the emails being forwarded, bull**** flows through the military mail system just like it does on myspace or JU for that matter. I personally have recieved an email from the SgtMaj copied to every user on base with the subject line "URGENT! Must Read" about the dangers of kids getting high on fecal matter, only to have some SSgt forward him (and everybody else) the link from snopes.com (the urban legend page) to show him it wasn't true. Egg on face.:ohmy:

Unless it is an ALMAR, or from the OKI NEWS that comes out of Foster, I would tend to think it was forwarded bull**** and ignorance. I know I am not the only one who has recieved a junk forward from somebody higher up than me.

[grid123456]

I have had the same expeirience with the chain emails. And I certainly see your point with the shoplifters etc. I do beleive this incident is a little higher caliber than that though because of its visability.

[DougP]

Which is what unfortunately makes this scenario seem so ridiculous. Because now going to Starbucks, getting your trash bags at San-A, grabbing some food at yoshinoyas after midnight can be lumped into the same boat of offenses as shoplifting and vandalizing property. Is it me or have we entered an alternate universe where simple logic and commonsense do not apply?

[Kinrat]

:old:If I said it once, I said it a thousand times; There ain't no way they will be able to enforce this "Time of reflection"!!
And all of those, and we know that there are those that don't follow the rules, and say they get away with it; or so they think, just reinforce to those of the local community that say the military doesn't control their people that what they are saying is correct.
My belief is if the service men and women were meant to have spouses and rug rats then the service would have provided them in book camp.
Look at the blotter and see how many crimes, minor and major are committed by "dependents". If the Commanding what ever can't control his charges then how do his officers control their charges and on down the line until we get to the family where the Service "Person" can't even control their own family.
I do believe thats those that DO violate the order OUGHT to be dealt with quickly and harshly:cursing:. And then, just maybe then it might open up some eyes on the people here as guest. We as Americans should police our own and set good examples, not cause more and more.
I'll wait until some poor little dependent gets HIS/HER ass kicked of Okinawa and runs crying to their State Representative or congressman about how unfair they were treated. You know as well as I do that it's going to happen, just a matter of time:barf:
Old man tired out:old:
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[grid123456]

I think the common sense train left the station with the alleged offenses and the overeaction.

As for the logic part..all of the offenses mention are after all a violation of an order. Whether that order is to not steal or not vandalize or not leave the base, it is all technically an order. Now for the other part. Some offenses culturally are considered worse than others. However, officials appear to be taking administrative action only.

there is nothing punative about erd........as such there is a human element to this just like there is with judges in the US.

I have seen US judges give child molesters parole while other judges give first time drug offenders lenghty sentences.

So.......as with military commanders, they have certain things that they consider more important as well.........while theft on base or vandalism are certainly aweful things.....they are not going to incite further national incidents......

[Gadget]

Reading these stories of people being caught and deported over the last few days has been really funny. It's amazing how many people know very little about the process of sending dependents home before their tour is up.

The process of completing ERD paperwork "for cause" is very lengthy and difficult for people who have committed real crimes, often taking weeks/months, and only after proof that the person(s) are guilty and/or incorrigible.

Why do some people think this process can be expedited for people whose only issue (not crime) is disobeying a suspect order? I say suspect, because there IS some doubt as to the legality of it's application to DoD civilians, contractors, and any/all dependents.

The military goes to great lengths to prevent the separation of family members via the ERD process for real reasons. I sincerely doubt they're going to ERD someone for "getting caught off-base".

BTW - Military officials cannot make someone get on an airplane out of here. Been there - done that with a spouse who was ERD'd for spousal abuse. The person was barred from the bases, went to the AMC terminal but then refused to get on the plane. We couldn't do anything except escort the person off base. It wasn't until Japanese immigration got involved that the person finally left via Naha airport. Funny thing is, I heard the family eventually got back together....

The only thing the military can do is bar a person from the base, remove their SOFA status and report the removal to the Japanese Immigration authorities. Once that is done, if the person refuses to get on an airplane out of here, it's up to Japan to make sure they leave...the military can't do anything if the person doesn't.

As for being ordered to give up ID cards - right...for dependents of active duty military, ID cards are a mandate, not a priviledge. I suppose dependents of contractors (and maybe DOD civilians?) might be ordered to give up the ID, but only after command sponsorship has been taken away - which also requires a lengthy process. But dependents of active duty military whom are sent home get to keep their military dependent ID card. It can't be taken away.

I feel for those of you bound by this stupid order. Although I'm not SOFA anymore (thankfully retired USAF), it does affect me too cause most of my friends are affected by this lockdown. Several of my friends have written to their congressman...too bad most contractors and civil service postions are non-union...a strike would stir the pot eh?

enjoy...

[Ammoyankee]

This piper?

http://www.garywill.com/wrestling/canada/photos/roddypiper.jpg


Wow, Rowdy Roddy... Now, that's a blast from the past!

[Muku]

Which is what unfortunately makes this scenario seem so ridiculous. Because now going to Starbucks, getting your trash bags at San-A, grabbing some food at yoshinoyas after midnight can be lumped into the same boat of offenses as shoplifting and vandalizing property. Is it me or have we entered an alternate universe where simple logic and commonsense do not apply?

Doug you were in the military once, have you fogotten so soon?

[Muku]

a strike would stir the pot eh?
Even better how about a strike by the Japanese workers on base showing their support for the people under sofa.

The ensuing cluster fvck of problems that would occur in nearly every rest. shoppette, commissary....etc etc would be something to see.

[hankypanky]

Even better how about a strike by the Japanese workers on base showing their support for the people under sofa.

The ensuing cluster fvck of problems that would occur in nearly every rest. shoppette, commissary....etc etc would be something to see.

and take a pay cut, don't think so. there familys are more important than liberty of co-workers.

[badstreetusa]

All the rumors of people getting caught are just that. More fear-mongering. Face it; it's a small island...don't you think somebody on this board would personally know one of these people that got "caught and flown out in 48 hours"...all a bunch of BS.

[Soduku]

Food for thought. They didn't press charges about the guy in Nago City, imagine if they don't against Hadnott. A big nutroll for the media.....

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

For me, there's a really big difference between a trespassing case and a rape case. Misdemeanor versus felony.

[hankypanky]

Food for thought. They didn't press charges about the guy in Nago City, imagine if they don't against Hadnott. A big nutroll for the media.....

you know why they didn't press charges, he paid gomen money and admitted his guilt. Big thing in japan confessing your guilt right off and paying compensation. Hadnott continues to plead not guilty, typical american response, prove that i was wrong! Those two cases last week of rape and touching a minor, the police asked them and they soon confessed. What's so hard about telling the truth? guess we always got to fight the system, that's why americans are so pissed over here, they don't understand the moral hearts of japanese people. Food for thought.

[Muku]

you know why they didn't press charges, he paid gomen money and admitted his guilt. Big thing in japan confessing your guilt right off and paying compensation. Hadnott continues to plead not guilty, typical american response, prove that i was wrong! Those two cases last week of rape and touching a minor, the police asked them and they soon confessed. What's so hard about telling the truth? guess we always got to fight the system, that's why americans are so pissed over here, they don't understand the moral hearts of japanese people. Food for thought.

The admission of guilt goes a long way in the system here.

But Hank you have to admit there is a huge difference between a tresspassing case and a rape case dont you think? I do anyway, plus one is a felony charge and the other a misdeamenor. If Hadnott is not guilty of rape, why admitt to it?

Would you prefer someone to admit that they were guilty for a crime that they didnt commit?

I dont think I read you that way usually but in this post you write "Hadnott continues to plead not guilty", well what if he is? To the rape charge anyway. He has admitted to "trying to kiss her" which falls under the crime of molestation, being a pervert.....if they the poilice choose to press charges officially on that, he is facing jail time for it.

[Uchinanchumuku]

Official was from Marine Corps Base G-4. I have the name but didn't really think it important to the conversation. Afterall, we all use fake names on here because we don't want to use our real names.

I belive this is rumor, I just had lunch with an "official" that works at MCB's SJA Office and he had heard of nothing to the fact.

This is rumor.

[slickmetal]

I think people are latching onto a rumor of people being kicked off the island. never happen so fast no matter who it is. funny how someone claims to know who told someone else, or them, but they don't think they need to post the name. who says this happened? it didn't that's why no names.
easy way to get a rumor going.
names of who was kicked out would be all over this forum if it was true as would shysters, (lawyers), filing papers to stop the action.

you are dead wrong....as soon as an ERD paperwork is signed by whomever, the orders can be cut that same day, and with orders - flights can be booked.

I know someone that ERD'd a dependant in Germany. The day the ERD was signed by the Wing King, they got the orders cut. The 1st Shirt delivered the orders to them after they were done, it was a Thursday afternoon. Friday morning the troop went to TMO to book a flight. The dependant flew out Sunday morning.

So i'm willing to bet ERD papers going across anyones desk for breaking the III MEF Commander's order, and being signed rather quickly - more quickly than a "due process" ERD where explanations are needed, other letters etc.

[Gadget]

You're right slick - once the ERD paperwork is signed by the proper people, the actual departure can take place pretty quick. In fact, if the ERD is for cause, once the paperwork is done, the person is normally sent packing immediately.

But the process to get the paperwork signed is a lengthy one - even in the case of someone violating this 3 stars order. No commander is going to punish a dependent and the family by separating them simply for violating this order. I have much more faith in the system, and even the 3 star has to go by the system.

Now if some dumbass violates the order and commits a crime against an Okinawan person, you can bet that as soon as the JPs are done with them, they'll be sent packing.

But for simply eating at Cocos??? No way.

Doesn't mean the dependent/contractor/civil servant won't receive some form of punishment (similar to how one caught shoplifting might)...but to be sent packing? I doubt it.

[TheLastDon]

Just heard on AFN that there is NO TRUTH to this rumor.

It was from the Air Force Col on the live radio show.

So can we lock this stupid thread already or what.:mad:

[atb35]

You're right slick - once the ERD paperwork is signed by the proper people, the actual departure can take place pretty quick. In fact, if the ERD is for cause, once the paperwork is done, the person is normally sent packing immediately.

But the process to get the paperwork signed is a lengthy one - even in the case of someone violating this 3 stars order. No commander is going to punish a dependent and the family by separating them simply for violating this order. I have much more faith in the system, and even the 3 star has to go by the system.

Now if some dumbass violates the order and commits a crime against an Okinawan person, you can bet that as soon as the JPs are done with them, they'll be sent packing.

But for simply eating at Cocos??? No way.

Doesn't mean the dependent/contractor/civil servant won't receive some form of punishment (similar to how one caught shoplifting might)...but to be sent packing? I doubt it.

What other punishment do the commanders have? Everyone has been saying that the general can restrict this and restrict that, but what happens if the dependants dont listen? His only option is to remove command sponsorship. They will likely give the service member counseling to control his/her family, but in a case like this, I can see them being sent packing.

[macker]

The Military is using purposeful DIS-information here....

I got busted for being at McD;s... I am already gone...I left a POA to a coworker to pack my stuff.

Stop believing everything you are being told... Lemmings.

maybe the entire population should break the order at all once... What would happen then????

:D

[macker]

OR.. Maybe I wasn't.....:D

[gunny8511]

OR.. Maybe I wasn't.....:D

Your signature line is priceless...I love a bit of sarcasm.

While rumors abound, a little common sense might clear the air. Yes, ERDs can be executed quickly, but we would probably hear about them being used as punishment if there were any real weight to this.

The review process for dependents that violate regulations has been around for quite a while (ever see the kids in roadguard vests picking up garbage with their parents in tow?).

[slickmetal]

What other punishment do the commanders have? Everyone has been saying that the general can restrict this and restrict that, but what happens if the dependants dont listen? His only option is to remove command sponsorship. They will likely give the service member counseling to control his/her family, but in a case like this, I can see them being sent packing.

well for Kadena AB, and more than likely AF dependents, theres the KDAP program that I know of. Its a way of dealing with unruly kids mainly, but I assume it is in place for all.

[RIFFRAFF]

It would seem the Military Leadership on OKI is unwilling to place the blame where it belongs. One service is causing 98% of the problems, but the MC commander insists on masking the problem by including everyone in the punishment. The Okinawan people understand who is causing the problem and it distracts from their confidence in the Military to fix the problem when the leadership takes such a blanket approach. This type of political mud slinging does not fool the Locals and it only denies the real problem. A more appropriate step in thid case would be to restrict all Marine Corps personnel to base and require them to be in uniform anytime they left the base. The MC leadership dragging everyone else into the mud to lessen the impact of the actions of a few of its members does not fix the problem.

[Oki0619]

It would seem the Military Leadership on OKI is unwilling to place the blame where it belongs. One service is causing 98% of the problems, but the MC commander insists on masking the problem by including everyone in the punishment. The Okinawan people understand who is causing the problem and it distracts from their confidence in the Military to fix the problem when the leadership takes such a blanket approach. This type of political mud slinging does not fool the Locals and it only denies the real problem. A more appropriate step in thid case would be to restrict all Marine Corps personnel to base and require them to be in uniform anytime they left the base. The MC leadership dragging everyone else into the mud to lessen the impact of the actions of a few of its members does not fix the problem.

Yes it has only been Marines causing problems on Okinawa the rape of a filipina last week Marine just he was in the Army, the Rape of the Japanese National back in Nov oh that was an Air Force Dependent.... Maybe if you removed your cranium from your anal cavity your posts would hold some weight until then do some research. Statistically the services commit the same amount of crimes.

[EatMoreFish]

Yes it has only been Marines causing problems on Okinawa the rape of a filipina last week Marine just he was in the Army, the Rape of the Japanese National back in Nov oh that was an Air Force Dependent.... Maybe if you removed your cranium from your anal cavity your posts would hold some weight until then do some research. Statistically the services commit the same amount of crimes.


And maybe we should say that only men should be on lockdown because men cause most of the problems on island. Or maybe its men over 6' tall, so short people should be allow to go free.

[P_chan]

Just heard on AFN that there is NO TRUTH to this rumor.

It was from the Air Force Col on the live radio show.

So can we lock this stupid thread already or what.:mad:


I agree with you TLD, lock this stupid thread!

Oh and I love your new avatar TLD. I agree, starbucks sucks! Did you see they're building a new one in yomiton near the torii back gate? How many do we freaking need!

Starbucks blows balls, down with starbucks:thumbdown:

[Crash]

OK folks. Some of you know where I work some dont. I can confirm this as fact. Individuals lost sofa status. Most left on the freedom bird. Some have households to get together and will be leaving commercially. No word yet on if they will be returning here.


but but.. the message in the email from the Big Boss said there are NO patrols or any military persons checking to ensure you are following the order.. so how can they be caught and kicked out if these patrols are officially non-existant?? :barf:

lol, gotta love it.. we aren't stupid they just need to say "Yes, we have patrols, and yes they are looking to make sure you are following the order."

I dont know about the other services but the AF isn't buying the bullshit stories.

whether it is a way to punish us for the actions of idiots or as a quiet boycott I really dont care, just let us know the sitation so we can give a full mind and body support rather than just obeying the order and wondering what is really goin on.

**** I hope that all came out right

[TheLastDon]

Hey DocP, How About locking this one too.:thumbup:

[Anymouse0101]

There are rumors all over the place about families leaving the island in forty-eight hours for having dinner at a restaurant in the local community. However, the Stars and Stripes reports Zero reports of any person violating the restriction. MSgt Albrecht (a spokesman for the Marine Corps) is reported to state that there have been no reports of restriction violation. Note Here: One of the first tenets of a new Dictator’s regime is to instill fear that violating the rules will result in an undesirable result. The regime does not even have to actually do anything just talk about it (this is called propaganda.)

[acidcrash]

Thats odd. The stars and stripes just ran a story the other day that no one has been caught off base.

[Crash]

Thats odd. The stars and stripes just ran a story the other day that no one has been caught off base.

and you think that stars and stripes has freedom of the press?? :-|

[combat_medic71]

i think the whole cant go from one sofa off base residence to another is a bunch of crap.

[DougP]

This thread has been placed under lock down until further notice. It has been done so in the interests of preventing any further harm to the mental state of the JU forumgo.

You are authorized and in fact encourage to utilize any of the open threads available on JU.