Lockdown = Loss of $$$ to the local Economy!

[capnbilly]

A low end calculation based on annual income and local expenditures by the military off base shows that this "lock down" is costing the Okinawan Economy 1.2 million dollars per day. :thumbdown: Those most affected are those that support the bases the most, and are largely ignored by the local governments.:old:

[Ammoyankee]

I take it the deep sea fishing business "isn't biting" either?

[RODSCALIP5]

Rumor has it some shops on Gate 2 have gone out of business. Can someone confirm this?

[NibiKitsune]

I take it the deep sea fishing business "isn't biting" either?

haha... kinda cheesy but still made me smirk:)

[Oki0619]

Rumor has it some shops on Gate 2 have gone out of business. Can someone confirm this?

If they have gone out of business already, then they need to be out of business.

[BEARUSMC]

:cool:If they have gone out of business already, then they need to be out of business.

that is infact true

[LooseCannon]

If they have gone out of business already, then they need to be out of business.

Nah, they just closed their shutters and are weathering out this storm just like they would a typhoon. The only difference is this is likely to be considerably longer than your average typhoon and they probably have a stock pile of typhoon bottles with them to help them with their Missouri!:army:

[EatMoreFish]

Has anyone thought that this entire lockdown is all controlled by AAFES? Maybe AAFES paid off some high level base officials to extend this into the next pay period. Now that a lot of food $$$$$ for thought.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Wonder how 2-for-1 Tuesday'll be out in the local watering holes...

[P_chan]

:cool:

that is infact true

I have a hard time believing that any business that caters to americans is out of business already. As someone else already said, maybe their just closed. No sense in staying open, wasting your time and money, once you won't get a single customer.

[Crash]

Has anyone thought that this entire lockdown is all controlled by AAFES? Maybe AAFES paid off some high level base officials to extend this into the next pay period. Now that a lot of food $$$$$ for thought.

Bout the dumbest shit I have read sofar.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Rumor has it some shops on Gate 2 have gone out of business.

Could be an opportunity for the city of Okinawa to start on some more ambitious inner city development projects, further distancing the economy away from the bases. All medicine tastes bitter at first.

Maybe bulldoze those buildings and make some free parking lots so that they can compete with attracting people to Okinawa City -- like Chatan has been successfully syphoning off people from cities looking for entertainment and convenient parking for free.

Turn a lemon into lemonade, you know.

[EatMoreFish]

Bout the dumbest shit I have read sofar.

I am truly glad you think so. :thumbup:

[Crash]

I am truly glad you think so. :thumbup:
LOL.
there is absolutely no denying that they are making out like fat-rats right now though. AAFES sales are reportedly up 3x their usuals and the fast foot joints on base are running out of food.. even though it makes you want to :barf:
but to say they influenced the lockdown is stretching it a bit. For a third world military it wouldn't be a shock.. but could you imagine if a general were busted for a UN type payoff like that? LOL

[Daniela]

I tell you tomorrow how the sales are. As far as I know they are still down.
Daniela:scared:

[surfr4evr]

AAFES = Army Air Force Extortion System
They're sitting happy right about now but seriously doubt they had anything to do with the lockdown...your dipshit 3-star is the one to blame for this.

[Crash]

AAFES = Army Air Force Extortion System
They're sitting happy right about now but seriously doubt they had anything to do with the lockdown...your dipshit 3-star is the one to blame for this.

NOT MINE.... I am AF

[surfr4evr]

If you're SOFA and locked down, that dipshit 3-star is "yours". How somebody can make such a sweeping order to affect thousands of military, civilians and dependents is beyond me.

These knuckleheads will do their 2 year tour in a command billet, and do something as asinine as this to highlight and bolster their careers. Meanwhile everybody else living/working on the island have to put up with another megalomaniac and his/her policy directives.

He thinks he's making a difference? He has about as much impact on this island as a fart in a typhoon.

[Crash]

there are better things for you to rant about here :D

[EatMoreFish]

LOL.
there is absolutely no denying that they are making out like fat-rats right now though. AAFES sales are reportedly up 3x their usuals and the fast foot joints on base are running out of food.. even though it makes you want to :barf:
but to say they influenced the lockdown is stretching it a bit. For a third world military it wouldn't be a shock.. but could you imagine if a general were busted for a UN type payoff like that? LOL

I am just surprised that someone has not already started that rumor before me. There are so many around here that love a good conspiracy.

[Crash]

I am just surprised that someone has not already started that rumor before me. There are so many around here that love a good conspiracy.

True, the trolling is deep in these forums :thumbdown:

[xXNothingnessXx]

AAFES = Army Air Force Extortion System
They're sitting happy right about now but seriously doubt they had anything to do with the lockdown...your dipshit 3-star is the one to blame for this.


Uh no politics is the one to blame here.

[Crystal Blue]

A lot are putting this on the 3 star. Stop and think now. You know this has come down from far up. Higher then a 3 star. :old:

[hankypanky]

A lot are putting this on the 3 star. Stop and think now. You know this has come down from far up. Higher then a 3 star. :old:

probably right. don't think a 3 star is going to make a decision like this without talking to his seniors in washington first. This call is much higher than him. He's just the messenger. Plus Secstate is in tokyo this week and i'm sure the pentegon don't want any problems on oki during her state visit. We are alll ants in this. Just kieep working and it will pass soon enough.

DC knows this is hurting the economy more than it is hurting our troops. that's the point.
same thing happened in the phillipines many moons ago. milllion a day.

[LooseCannon]

AAFES = Army Air Force Extortion System
They're sitting happy right about now but seriously doubt they had anything to do with the lockdown...your dipshit 3-star is the one to blame for this.

Damn, the secret is out! Now they'll have to change their name just like FEN (Forced Entertainment Network) changed theirs to AFN a few years back.:barf:

[LooseCannon]

He thinks he's making a difference? He has about as much impact on this island as a fart in a typhoon.

Actually if you think about it the magnitude of a fart is multiplied many times over as it is able to travel faster, farther and affect more innocent people! Shudder the thought!:cursing:

[RChan]

I take it deep sea fishing business "isn't biting" either?

You said, " I take it deep"...:barf:

Sorry .. bored and feeling like a troll today..

[Crash]

Sorry .. bored and feeling like a troll today..
if it makes you feel better I have been doing it too... an hour left of work and there aint SH#@$ to do!

[Rossi46]

If you're SOFA and locked down, that dipshit 3-star is "yours". How somebody can make such a sweeping order to affect thousands of military, civilians and dependents is beyond me.

These knuckleheads will do their 2 year tour in a command billet, and do something as asinine as this to highlight and bolster their careers. Meanwhile everybody else living/working on the island have to put up with another megalomaniac and his/her policy directives.

He thinks he's making a difference? He has about as much impact on this island as a fart in a typhoon.

What else is he suppose to do? Ask his troops nicely to stop rapping local girls and acting like ass-clowns every weekend? I'm sure the 3-star hates to order this lock down as much as we hate to be a part of it, but the man has Washington DC and Gov't officials all over Japan all in his ass right now. Put yourself in his shoes before you judge him.

[P_chan]

What else is he suppose to do? Ask his troops nicely to stop rapping local girls and acting like ass-clowns every weekend? I'm sure the 3-star hates to order this lock down as much as we hate to be a part of it, but the man has Washington DC and Gov't officials all over Japan all in his ass right now. Put yourself in his shoes before you judge him.

I see nothing wrong with him restricting military members. Hell, I don't really have a problem with him restricting SOFA status civilians and dependents (but I can see why they're pissed). But it's once he tries to restrict a citizen of Japan in their own country, that's when I have a problem.

[Ammoyankee]

You said, " I take it deep"...:barf:

Sorry .. bored and feeling like a troll today..

Good catch, you must be feeling a little faggotty too!:-|

[Rossi46]

I see nothing wrong with him restricting military members. Hell, I don't really have a problem with him restricting SOFA status civilians and dependents (but I can see why they're pissed). But it's once he tries to restrict a citizen of Japan in their own country, that's when I have a problem.

I was briefed if your spouse is a Japanese national then the restrictions don't apply.

[Trail]

I am just surprised that someone has not already started that rumor before me. There are so many around here that love a good conspiracy.

A good conspiracy is like a bad bowel movement, you strain and hope to see the end of it.

[RenaissanceMan]

Note to self... if you are going to open a business on Okinawa...consider a church, something educational, or somewhere people have to take care of "official business."

[GROKI]

I was briefed if your spouse is a Japanese national then the restrictions don't apply.

Yes but if they are command sponsored then the rules apply..

[Tony Stacks]

Yes but if they are command sponsored then the rules apply..

Bullshit.:old:

[rosk0e]

Note to self... if you are going to open a business on Okinawa...consider a church, something educational, or somewhere people have to take care of "official business."
i can see it now...

Welcome to Rosk0e's Church of God, Soba and EZ Bill Pay:D

[Bogopogo]

I heard Obligato (the Mexican resturant on 58 between Kadena & Lester) was offering delivery service to the gates of the base - however, base residents were discouraged from doing it because it violated the "spirit" of the restriction.

So, I'd have to agree that this is more to show the Okinawa people the financial impact of having the bases here.

It strikes me as funny that some of the Okinawans scream about getting the military out - yet back in the states, states will set up organizations to lobby to keep the bases.

BTW - this is my first post!

[hankypanky]

I heard Obligato (the Mexican resturant on 58 between Kadena & Lester) was offering delivery service to the gates of the base - however, base residents were discouraged from doing it because it violated the "spirit" of the restriction.

So, I'd have to agree that this is more to show the Okinawa people the financial impact of having the bases here.

It strikes me as funny that some of the Okinawans scream about getting the military out - yet back in the states, states will set up organizations to lobby to keep the bases.

BTW - this is my first post!

no that's not all. mccs does it to afees. none of their food brought into a mccs facility that serves food.

[OkiMike]

edited for content

[RenaissanceMan]

They have already started sending people off island, but what most people don't know is that the military CAN NOT send your family home, the only thing they can do is take their command sponsorship away. So, if someone wanted to they could put their family up off base, though they would lose all command sponsorship, as well as some other laws treaties under SOFA.(and pay out of pocket). However, they can't make you send you family back to the states.

For Japanese spouses, yeah you can't make a Japanese citizen do anything in their own country, but you can take their privileges away and bar them from base, etc.

[capnbilly]

I take it the deep sea fishing business "isn't biting" either?

Our previously scheduled charters will get us through the lock down. Thanks for your concern.:thumbup1:

[capnbilly]

A recent article at the following link shows that Military crime rates per capita, are the lowest of any population group in Japan. Read it for yourself:

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20080226zg.html (http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20080226zg.html)

Take this time to reflect on what a good job you are doing!:thumbup:

[Muku]

A recent article at the following link shows that Military crime rates per capita, are the lowest of any population group in Japan. Read it for yourself:

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20080226zg.html (http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20080226zg.html)

Take this time to reflect on what a good job you are doing!:thumbup:
Capn....if you have been here long enough you should know by now that it doesnt matter how many crimes the military commits here doesnt matter.

Even 1 is too many by some in the local community. They expect everyone to be angels, without keeping in mind that inside just about each and everyone, themselves as well, there is a little devil hiding as well.

[Oki Cajun]

Lets see what the defense minister thinks about this:

www.npa.go.jp/english/

Looks like a helluva lot more people rack a discirprine than us. Like Muku said, it won't make a difference because the point is they want us to be flawless. That's only something a jackass would really expect to happen. As long as the human factor is there, mistakes will be made. If they can't see that, then maybe we're better off on rockdown.

[capnbilly]

Waiting for the T-shirts to come out soon...

I Survived Lockdown 2008
Okinawa, Japan

[capnbilly]

Capn....if you have been here long enough you should know by now that it doesnt matter how many crimes the military commits here doesnt matter.

Even 1 is too many by some in the local community. They expect everyone to be angels, without keeping in mind that inside just about each and everyone, themselves as well, there is a little devil hiding as well.
You are right MUKU, but if some of us don't start standing up and making the truth known, then nothing will ever change.

[Muku]

You are right MUKU, but if some of us don't start standing up and making the truth known, then nothing will ever change.

Capn...dont take this wrong please. Use the search function here, there are countless numbers of posts about this very same topic. However many of them come across as using one to justify the other.

Japanese do it too......kind of thinking. That is just plain wrong.

[Hypereth]

Yes but if they are command sponsored then the rules apply..

They can not stop a japanese citizen from moving freely in thier own country. Whether they are command sponsered or not. Trust me, I do this for a living.

[Tony Stacks]

.

An unconstitutional order does not become constitutional just because the President or someone at the Pentagon/State Department orders it.


They rack a diciprine!

Seriously, these buraecrats are the real criminals.

[P_chan]

They can not stop a japanese citizen from moving freely in thier own country. Whether they are command sponsered or not. Trust me, I do this for a living.

To add to that...


Japanese citizens that get married so SOFA members are never really under the SOFA.

[Tony Stacks]

To add to that...


Japanese citizens that get married so SOFA members are never really under the SOFA.


Exactly:w00t:

[Hypereth]

To add to that...


Japanese citizens that get married so SOFA members are never really under the SOFA.


That's true. I have never seen a SOFA request letter come in the office with a Japanese name on it.

[Tony Stacks]

When I see a Japanese citizen with a SOFA stamp in their passport than I might take a bite.

[LostPara]

I have "American, non-Sofa" friends that own businesses on Gate 2. These folks are weathering the storm; saving electricity and not opening the doors until the storm passes.

[capnbilly]

Capn...dont take this wrong please. Use the search function here, there are countless numbers of posts about this very same topic. However many of them come across as using one to justify the other.

Japanese do it too......kind of thinking. That is just plain wrong.

Not taking it wrong at all. Not even on that thought train. The point isn't that the Japanese do it too, but the point is that as a population group, the US Military in Okinawa, and in Japan, commit less crime than other population groups. Yet, the media makes the Military people appear to be a bunch of evil thugs that never do anything good. I hope that no one suddenly gets the idea to go out to all these tourist sites and start posting bad stuff about Okinawa as a way to combat what the media is doing to the Military.:eek:

[BigMan40]

i can see it now...

Welcome to Rosk0e's Church of God, Soba and EZ Bill Pay:D

lol Now that is a good one. Got to give you thumbs up for that. :thumbup:

[proudtobnotpc]

Not taking it wrong at all. Not even on that thought train. The point isn't that the Japanese do it too, but the point is that as a population group, the US Military in Okinawa, and in Japan, commit less crime than other population groups. Yet, the media makes the Military people appear to be a bunch of evil thugs that never do anything good. I hope that no one suddenly gets the idea to go out to all these tourist sites and start posting bad stuff about Okinawa as a way to combat what the media is doing to the Military.:eek:
it all about $$$$:thumbdown:

[okitomi]

NO they don’t need our money but these people want it!

http://www.japanupdate.com/?id=6782
http://www.japanupdate.com/?id=8156

It’s not Okinawa that need our money…it’s the greedy companies that want our money.
If you live off base and are in the military you pay closer to the top of your ceiling the to the bottom. Yes I know they have to meet standards but dam I am hearing that some housing companies are asking nearly $5,000 a month for rent…I don’t know any Okinawan who would pay that! I don’t know what others think but when the Okinawan governor cuts his pay it can't be good.

http://www.japanupdate.com/?id=8333

[Kye77]

All this is too deep for simple minded greedy me.. All I'm grouchy about is having so much yummies in sight but NO, no getting to the yummies. Fine fine, I'm saying something pointless but I'm just greedy ole me.. :D

[hankypanky]

NO they don’t need our money but these people want it!

http://www.japanupdate.com/?id=6782
http://www.japanupdate.com/?id=8156

It’s not Okinawa that need our money…it’s the greedy companies that want our money.
If you live off base and are in the military you pay closer to the top of your ceiling the to the bottom. Yes I know they have to meet standards but dam I am hearing that some housing companies are asking nearly $5,000 a month for rent…I don’t know any Okinawan who would pay that! I don’t know what others think but when the Okinawan governor cuts his pay it can't be good.

http://www.japanupdate.com/?id=8333

i know the rent is higher for americans than okinawan's but the us gov is willing to give big bucks, why not take it. american way right? and do you really know what a house and ground in a expensive area goes for these days, 300-500 thousand dollars. this place is not cheap. plus with turnover, i'm sure it's hard to always get new tenants. Not standing up for the housing companies, but there are cheaper units out there, americans just want all the comforts of home so i guess they will have to pay for it.

my wife STILL hangs clothes outside everyday. How many american families now a days do that. And by the way, i have a dryer so that's not the reason. With the cost of electric, it's much more effecient to hang outside. MHO

I moved into a new apartment about 1 1/2 years ago. they built another image copy of ours on pipeline, when my wife asked about it, they said they were for americans. 2 times what i pay. but they also know what your rank rates, so i don't think it is coming out of your pocket.

[Tony Stacks]

they also know what your rank rates, so i don't think it is coming out of your pocket.


Exactly, they don't pay for it anyway but still bitch.

[okitomi]

I am paying my own way just like you and I am only stating the facts that mast American families are paying an inflated rate to live here and its turnover is constant…one or two months and the same over priced house has a new American family living in it…more power to them. It’s just the point of this thread is how outside economic groups effect the local economy. Hell I have had to sleep in my car before I could afford to get an apartment here in Okinawa, I moved back here alone, No Japanese wife or serious GF to help me out…Just some good friends who helped out the best they could!

[momo-chan]

Can't wait to go to Korea and pay double what we are currently paying here....

[OkiMike]

As someone who is interested in building an apartment complex of my own to rent out to the bases, I understand a little bit of what money these entrepreneurs/businessmen/investors are shelling out.

Starting rates for a 3-floor rental (that's 3 rentable units), plus land, insurance, etc. is about $800,000 if you're in the country, and more than a million anywhere in Chatan. Then there are the towers you see near Sunabe, the big purple ones, or the blocks of two-story houses that all look the same (like shit...)--start thinking in the tens of millions of dollars.

Many businesses are built on the 10-year payback principal: make your money back entirely, pay back the bank in full and own the asset in full within 10 years. What with bases closing here and expanding there, and negotiations between the two countries never set in stone, many developers/owners/investors are expecting full payback in a lot less than 10-years. The idea being that you can count on houses near Kadena getting rented out for the first five years, after which if the base folds up (not that Kadena would) or pulls all of its military into on-base housing, you can then rent out to the local Japanese market for whatever the market rate is. And, no matter what you ask at that point--even $500~$800/month--you'll still be making all profit.

I think it's a great idea, but I'm sad to the extent which many towns are letting developers in to rape their lands just so that they can make a few extra bucks. Yomitan comes to mind. Have you seen what they've done to Toguchi, or up on the Yomitan Town Hall hill (both on the Rt. 58 side and the elephant-cage side), or near Senaha/Zanpa? Jesus Christ, it's disgusting! They have absolutely raped the landscape just to put in houses for the military in prime locations. The town councils should be taken to court, tried and then hung out to dry for what they've allowed.

[UminchuWannabe]

I know for a FACT (as in "I've seen the morgtage documents to the house I rent") that I pay $1400 a month more than the morgtage. I don't know what cut the housing office is taking, but I know I am being taken advantage of.
Or rather, the government is being is being $(REWED.

[JimmyHoffalot]

I heard that it was 18th Services who have lobbied the upper cust and decision making morons to keep the lock down going. It makes perfect sense because anyone using an 18th Services facility must be either retarded or controlled by the lockdown.

[JimmyHoffalot]

Are you afraid of a little bit of Capitalism?

[gunny8511]

i know the rent is higher for americans than okinawan's but the us gov is willing to give big bucks, why not take it. american way right? and do you really know what a house and ground in a expensive area goes for these days, 300-500 thousand dollars. this place is not cheap. plus with turnover, i'm sure it's hard to always get new tenants. Not standing up for the housing companies, but there are cheaper units out there, americans just want all the comforts of home so i guess they will have to pay for it.

my wife STILL hangs clothes outside everyday. How many american families now a days do that. And by the way, i have a dryer so that's not the reason. With the cost of electric, it's much more effecient to hang outside. MHO

I moved into a new apartment about 1 1/2 years ago. they built another image copy of ours on pipeline, when my wife asked about it, they said they were for americans. 2 times what i pay. but they also know what your rank rates, so i don't think it is coming out of your pocket.

When we lived in town, we hung clothes up as well; just made sense. My wife was also the "electricity nazi." "Turn those damned lights off!" :old:

[RenaissanceMan]

When I was in the military, I payed 1500 plus utilities a month. My housing office got almost four years out of me, and whenever something broke, I had to keep asking them to fix it, and when I moved out they tried to take most of the security deposit, even though they lost my initial move in paperwork, and had nothing to compare it to. Housing offices are such rip offs here. All the owners have to pay for their businesses back in Tokyo.

[P_chan]

my wife STILL hangs clothes outside everyday. How many american families now a days do that. And by the way, i have a dryer so that's not the reason. With the cost of electric, it's much more effecient to hang outside. MHO


I too, always hang my laundry outside. I have a dryer but I only use it if the clothes get wet from hanging outside during the rain. It saves money, but it sucks having to iron a shirt if I want to wear it:cursing:

[Tony Stacks]

Me and the wife hang our clothes outside because we don'T have a dryer.

[GoochBomber]

Has anyone thought that this entire lockdown is all controlled by AAFES? Maybe AAFES paid off some high level base officials to extend this into the next pay period. Now that a lot of food $$$$$ for thought.

i think maybe somone has developed conspiracy syndrome. While it makes sense because AFFES brings in an astounding increase in sales during this period, it doesnt make sense to ignore the fact that a few sickos put us in this position. No need to move the limelight.

[The Truth™]

i think maybe somone has developed conspiracy syndrome. While it makes sense because AFFES brings in an astounding increase in sales during this period, it doesnt make sense to ignore the fact that a few sickos put us in this position. No need to move the limelight.

I think it's clear that this is all to "energize" sales at the PX/BX.

[Muku]

I know for a FACT (as in "I've seen the morgtage documents to the house I rent") that I pay $1400 a month more than the morgtage. I don't know what cut the housing office is taking, but I know I am being taken advantage of.
Or rather, the government is being is being $(REWED.

Really? So what? Is it illegal to make a profit? What percentage or what amount is too much?

You say $1400 more than the mortgage, but the mortgage is in yen right?

[GoochBomber]

Is it a conspiracy syndrome that makes "General Zilmer" an anagram for "Mall Energizer?"

I think it's clear that this is all to "energize" sales at the PX/BX.

Clear? i dont think its clear at all. We were put in this position, not because AFFES was going bankrupt, but because a few marines couldnt conduct themselves as grow men/women. Im not doubting the fact that AAFES is indeed making a huge profit off of this whole ordeal, i just think its ridiculous to think this is the main reason why it was enforced.

And the fact that his name happens to make an anagram for "mall energizer" means you have dug into this wayy too much. My name could be an anagram for "murderer" or "soap bubbles" (random examples) so what?

I think your ignoring the fact that people make mistakes, and with mistakes come consequences.

[Tony Stacks]

Clear? i dont think its clear at all. We were put in this position, not because AFFES was going bankrupt, but because a few marines couldnt conduct themselves as grow men/women. Im not doubting the fact that AAFES is indeed making a huge profit off of this whole ordeal, i just think its ridiculous to think this is the main reason why it was enforced.


Ok if this was the case than why NOT allow food and stuff off base to be delieverd to the gate??????:cursing:

[GoochBomber]

Ok if this was the case than why NOT allow food and stuff off base to be delieverd to the gate??????:cursing:

Off-base food was never allowed to be delivered on base, this fact has nothing to do with the lockdown. But it would be nice if they did deliver on base. We still allow LN with sofa staus to work on our bases, and most of them live off base.

[Societyblonde]

Has anyone thought that this entire lockdown is all controlled by AAFES? Maybe AAFES paid off some high level base officials to extend this into the next pay period. Now that a lot of food $$$$$ for thought.

An AAFES conspiracy, are you kidding me? That's stupid. This is something that several leaders, military and local, got together and decided.

[Tony Stacks]

Off-base food was never allowed to be delivered on base, this fact has nothing to do with the lockdown. But it would be nice if they did deliver on base. We still allow LN with sofa staus to work on our bases, and most of them live off base.


No not on base.

To the gate?

[Societyblonde]

Ok if this was the case than why NOT allow food and stuff off base to be delieverd to the gate??????:cursing:

Because by having food delivered, you're still interacting with the locals and still provide the locals some revenue. One of the points of the restriction is to show Okinawans the positive that we provide...i.e. money, and lots of it!

[The Truth™]

An AAFES conspiracy, are you kidding me? That's stupid. This is something that several leaders, military and local, got together and decided.


I would've thought so too, if the code had not been broken.

"Period of reflection" is an anagram of "Electrified of Porno"


Isn't this all one big attempt to drive the service members stir crazy, so they have no recourse, but to turn to porn for their stress release? The Foster PX has already sold out of many of the grade A porn publications. Military members are resorting to buying Cosmopolitan, on this payday.

Don't try to tell me this is all just a coincidence.

[GoochBomber]

No not on base.

To the gate?

ahh i see now, misread your post. Didn't realize they didnt allow that due to the lock down, but even still i dont see this having anything to do with AFFES.

[Tony Stacks]

ahh i see now, misread your post. Didn't realize they didnt allow that due to the lock down, but even still i dont see this having anything to do with AFFES.


Because they don't want your money going to out in town. AAFES takes your money everyday!

[GoochBomber]

I would've thought so too, if the code had not been broken.

"General Zilmer" is an anagram for "Mall Electrifier."

"Period of reflection" is an anagram of "Electrified of Porno"


Isn't this all one big attempt to drive the service members stir crazy, so they have no recourse, but to turn to porn for their stress release? The Foster PX has already sold out of many of the grade A porn publications. Military members are resorting to buying Cosmopolitan, on this payday.

Don't try to tell me this is all just a coincidence.

ok dude anagrams? are you serious? anagrams are as much evidense as Bush's word. Useless. And i highly doubt all this was for the increase in porn. Afterall we're still allowed internet access and it can be found there for free. People buying magazines is no sufficent proof of a conspiracy. Again i think your just ignoring the fact that someone f**k'd up.

[The Truth™]

ok dude anagrams? are you serious? anagrams are as much evidense as Bush's word. Useless. And i highly doubt all this was for the increase in porn. Afterall we're still allowed internet access and it can be found there for free. People buying magazines is no sufficent proof of a conspiracy. Again i think your just ignoring the fact that someone f**k'd up.



Okay, let's just agree to disagree on this one. I have my evidence, which I think is pretty convincing. If you have proof that discounts my evidence, I'd like to see it. For now, we just disagree.

[GoochBomber]

Okay, let's just agree to disagree on this one. I have my evidence, which I think is pretty convincing. If you have proof that discounts my evidence, I'd like to see it. For now, we just disagree.

Isnt that's what a forum is all about anyways? lol we all agree to disagree. Nice chat though. I just want this damn lock down over with so we can all stop ranting about it (including myself).

[cripsenite]

LOL.
there is absolutely no denying that they are making out like fat-rats right now though. AAFES sales are reportedly up 3x their usuals and the fast foot joints on base are running out of food.. even though it makes you want to :barf:
but to say they influenced the lockdown is stretching it a bit. For a third world military it wouldn't be a shock.. but could you imagine if a general were busted for a UN type payoff like that? LOL

Kind of reminds me of the lawsuit with the Internet company on military installations in Korea. Their services sucked but they were aloud to stay on base because some Generals got paid off. I would almost be inclined to stay that Mediatti is doing the same, but their services are much worse.

[GoochBomber]

Kind of reminds me of the lawsuit with the Internet company on military installations in Korea. Their services sucked but they were aloud to stay on base because some Generals got paid off. I would almost be inclined to stay that Mediatti is doing the same, but their services are much worse.

never had a problem with mediatti...

[TheLastDon]

Kind of reminds me of the lawsuit with the Internet company on military installations in Korea. Their services sucked but they were aloud to stay on base because some Generals got paid off. I would almost be inclined to stay that Mediatti is doing the same, but their services are much worse.

It was aafes officials that got paid off not Generals.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=57690&archive=true