Personalties posting here

[Oki0619]

It seems we have a few different "types" of people posting here:

1. The intelligent thinker- One who has positive things to contribute to the community, this person is unbiased towards Americans, Japanese, etc. This person is not necessarily correct all the time but will make valid points, that will make you think about their views. (on a side note we need more of these)

2. The Hill billy- One who makes negative comments about the locals and then tries to wave the American flag and say its un-American to respect the locals and their views and grievances.

3. The Troll- One who likes to stir the shit and get everyone pissed off (I occasionally will fall into this category)

4. The Moron- one who has no clue as to what they are talking about, makes up stories to justify their outright lies

Which one are you?

[P_chan]

LOL this should be in the jokes and humor section:D

[YankeeGrl79]

It seems we have a few different "types" of people posting here:

2. The Hill billy- One who makes negative comments about the locals and then tries to wave the American flag and say its un-American to respect the locals and their views and grievances.


Yeah because all people who love America are Hillbillies now...... heehaw!!!

So where do the American haters fit in then? Its funny theres a catagory for the Americans that make negative comments about the locals but not the locals who make negative comments about the Americans.

[proudtobnotpc]

I fit three of the four depending on my mood and which little voice I'm listening to. but I do it all in fun. It's boring to be the same person everyday

[Asshat]

Yeah because all people who love America are Hillbillies now...... heehaw!!!

So where do the American haters fit in then? Its funny theres a catagory for the Americans that make negative comments about the locals but not the locals who make negative comments about the Americans.

Why do you display a burning Japanese flag? Did a Japanese person burn yours?

[YankeeGrl79]

Why do you display a burning Japanese flag? Did a Japanese person burn yours?

Im leaving it up until the person with the avatar of the burning American flag removes it from the website. I think its a more than reasonable request but Im told its protected here under free speech. So in protest of that policy Im doing the same thing. Once they remove the burning American flag Ill remove the burning Japanese flag. That crap shouldnt have a place here..

[Asshat]

Im leaving it up until the person with the avatar of the burning American flag removes it from the website. I think its a more than reasonable request but Im told its protected here under free speech. So in protest of that policy Im doing the same thing. Once they remove the burning American flag Ill remove the burning Japanese flag.

Why don't you chose a different flag?

[YankeeGrl79]

Why don't you chose a different flag?

Because this website is mostly visted by Japanese and Americans right? Do you think all the Americans that visit this site want to see it? Believe me I feel the same way that you do about it. It doesnt have a place here, but its free speech from what I was told. Maybe it will strike a nerve in some of you like it does us and get them both off this site. That stuff is based on hate and doesnt belong here.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Japanese flags are excellent for getting those briquettes going when BBQing. Especially since the stars & stripes are in such short supply these days.

[Asshat]

Because this website is mostly visted by Japanese and Americans right? Do you think all the Americans that visit this site want to see it? Believe me I feel the same way that you do about it. It doesnt have a place here, but its free speech from what I was told.

There are very few Japanese on this site. In fact, I can think of none. Certainly none who are regular posters.

There are way more individuals from other countries however. There are probably 30 percent of the active posters who are not American or Japanese, and way more than that lurking.

So when you use the buring Japanese flag, you are showing an assumption that is way wrong, and proving you are not aware of the demographics (this cyber place) in which you find yourself.

Keep it up there, I don't care. But trust me, you are showing your ass by doing so. :)

[Asshat]

Japanese flags are excellent for getting those briquettes going when BBQing. Especially since the stars & stripes are in such short supply these days.

George keeps using Old Glory to wipe the drool from his cheek.

[TheLastDon]

Yeah her point of showing the burning of a Japanese flag burning is MOOT.

[YankeeGrl79]

There are very few Japanese on this site. In fact, I can think of none. Certainly none who are regular posters.

There are way more individuals from other countries however. There are probably 30 percent of the active posters who are not American or Japanese, and way more than that lurking.

So when you use the buring Japanese flag, you are showing an assumption that is way wrong, and proving you are not aware of the demographics (this cyber place) in which you find yourself.

Keep it up there, I don't care. But trust me, you are showing your ass by doing so. :)


Yup, And they guy burning the American flag is just a swell guy huh? So what flag should I burn then? What are the demographics of this website then? I must have missed the survey when I signed up.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Japanese flags also make really cool bandanas, though I'm not sure walking around with a big red dot on your forehead is such a good idea when Americans are a target these days ;)

[Asshat]

Yup, And they guy burning the American flag is just a swell guy huh? So what flag should I burn then? What are the demographics of this website then? I must have missed the survey when I signed up.

He has the burning flag up to piss people off and cause hate and discontent. Since that is a right that you or your spouse are currently serving to protect, why do you have a problem with it?

Or are you serving to protect only those rights you happen to agree with, and screw the Supreme Court? (now populated with right-wing nutcases)

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/docs/flagsoftheworld.html

Albania has a really kewl flag, and Bangladesh has a green hinomaru...

[Asshat]

Japanese flags also make really cool bandanas, though I'm not sure walking around with a big red dot on your forehead is such a good idea when Americans are a target these days ;)

I used to have one of those. The sun ray one from the war. This was many years ago, but the Okinawans loved it. IIRC, I was also toting a very large bottle of awomori and sharing that with them. I had everyone yelling banzai. I must've been about 18.

[Oki0619]

Yeah because all people who love America are Hillbillies now...... heehaw!!!

So where do the American haters fit in then? Its funny theres a catagory for the Americans that make negative comments about the locals but not the locals who make negative comments about the Americans.

I am not saying that all people who love America are Hillbillies, as I love America but I am not so prejudicial to make comments like you and some other posters.

I will add that I have seen 0 America bashing on this site from the posters all you see is quotes from other people and the poster usually denouncing it.

[YankeeGrl79]

He has the burning flag up to piss people off and cause hate and discontent. Since that is a right that you or your spouse are currently serving to protect, why do you have a problem with it?

Or are you serving to protect only those rights you happen to agree with, and screw the Supreme Court? (now populated with right-wing nutcases)

Flag desecration is a blanket term applied to various acts that intentionally deface a flag, most often a national flag.

Well atlease the truth comes out, HATE. Thats exactly whats going on here and it shouldnt be allowed. Also, it should be considered a personal attack against any American here. Rights are Rights but disrespecting the people of another country who HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REASON WHY YOU ARE MAD isnt the answer. I didnt attempt to rape a 14 year old or take part in any of the other crimes that have been commited by Americans. Its crazy to burn a flag and direct that hate towards every member of a country based on the actions of a select few. Every country has problems and every country has problemed people who commit crimes. Should we all start burning each other flags? Ofcourse not!!!, Most Okinawans are good people just like most Americans are. Why burn the flag that most of us model citizens love for the few idiots who are stupid? Its disrespectfull to all Americans not just the few people who do these terrible things.

[YankeeGrl79]

edit, he changed his post before I sent it?

[Oki0619]

Yes it does as I have not seen anyone bashing America on here, so I could not categorize them. Now if you provide me a link of people bashing America on this site I will edit and add that too my OP, if not go back to stuffing donuts down your pie hole.

[Asshat]

Why burn the flag that most of us model citizens love for the few idiots who are stupid? Its disrespectfull to all Americans not just the few people who do these terrible things.

Yes, it is disrespectful. So you choose to do the same thing, but choose the flag of the Nation you are here as an ambassador for.

Your explanation does not match your actions. Do you hate Japanese?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Interesting...I wonder what (if anything) happened to the dude(s) in my avatar photo...

In October 1987, Shoichi Chibana (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shoichi_Chibana&action=edit) burned the Japanese flag while it was being raised for the Kaiho National Athletic meet in Yomitan, Okinawa. This incident not only shocked the Japanese, but also the Ryukyuans. He served time in prison for destruction of property, as desecration of the Japanese flag is not a crime, although desecration of foreign flags is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ryukyu_Islands

[Asshat]

Yes it does as I have not seen anyone bashing America on here, so I could not categorize them. Now if you provide me a link of people bashing America on this site I will edit and add that too my OP, if not go back to stuffing donuts down your pie hole.

I bash America here in other threads. But I have earned the right to.

[Oki0619]

I bash America here in other threads. But I have earned the right to.

You don't count:rolleyes:

[YankeeGrl79]

Yes, it is disrespectful. So you choose to do the same thing, but choose the flag of the Nation you are here as an ambassador for.

Your explanation does not match your actions. Do you hate Japanese?

NOPE, its just there in protest of our flag being burned. Thats the only reason why its there. I asked for it to be removed but the Anti American leadership here allows it. We cant all have freedom of speech? Just anti Americans I guess.

[Asshat]

You don't count:rolleyes:

Ahh... well, sometimes my country really pisses me off. :) Especially now during tax time!

[YankeeGrl79]

I bash America here in other threads. But I have earned the right to.

EXACTLY, ignorant

[Asshat]

NOPE, its just there in protest of our flag being burned. Thats the only reason why its there. I asked for it to be removed but the Anti American leadership here allows it. We cant all have freedom of speech? Just anti Americans I guess.

How does your display of a burning Japanese flag affect anyone here? That is my question. And what do you mean by "Anti-American Leadership?"

Is not burning the flag protected by US statute? I don't like it either. But I certainly defend someone's right to do it. Most of all, I certainly wont arbitrarily choose some other countries flag to show my anger.

That is just wrong. What did a Japanese do to you to make you angry?

[DoctorP]

Im leaving it up until the person with the avatar of the burning American flag removes it from the website. I think its a more than reasonable request but Im told its protected here under free speech. So in protest of that policy Im doing the same thing. Once they remove the burning American flag Ill remove the burning Japanese flag. That crap shouldnt have a place here..

Sorry to tell you, but you could grow old waiting. He is perfectly within rights to use that avatar...just as you are free to have yours.

[Tony Stacks]

EXACTLY, ignorant

In what way? He is a retired SNCO and wore a uniform for over 20 years so who is ignorant. You should thank him instead of bashing him!

[YankeeGrl79]

Sorry to tell you, but you could grow old waiting. He is perfectly within rights to use that avatar...just as you are free to have yours.

And thats fine I understand that.

[DoctorP]

NOPE, its just there in protest of our flag being burned. Thats the only reason why its there. I asked for it to be removed but the Anti American leadership here allows it. We cant all have freedom of speech? Just anti Americans I guess.

Can you tell me one thing? Do you even see the burning flag anymore or are you just in attack mode? You've had avatars turned off since yesterday and you are still complaining even though you can't see it. Please tell me I am wrong.

[Asshat]

In what way? He is a retired SNCO and wore a uniform for over 20 years so who is ignorant. You should thank him instead of bashing him!

These fine Americans would be telling the Boston Tea Party attendees they were un-American too.

Can't educate the fine Americans. That's why they're fine Americans.

Edited to remove name calling.

[DoctorP]

Everyone please watch the low blows and name calling before infractions need to be issued.

[YankeeGrl79]

Can you tell me one thing? Do you even see the burning flag anymore or are you just in attack mode? You've had avatars turned off since yesterday and you are still complaining even though you can't see it. Please tell me I am wrong.

I use both IE and Firefox, when I use firefox it shows up still. For some reason both act up. Sometimes IE does, sometimes firefox does.

[P_chan]

There are some really good posts in here from eel (rare of me to say that:D) and uminchu, keep it up:thumbup:

As far as yankeegirl goes, this image sums it up:

http://www.kkn.net/%7Ek5tr/photo/ke5c/1emebig.jpg

[YankeeGrl79]

There are some really good posts in here from eel (rare of me to say that:D) and uminchu, keep it up:thumbup:


haha you guys are too funny

Yeah eel makes some great posts

Go Army! http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/428756
Go Army!


Ladies & gentlemen, I give you your archetypical American soldier boy in Japan. Clueless and proud.

Command asking troops to...think! Will the demands never end?
http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/428568

Only a short time ago, I was ridiculed for suggesting that people here may rise up against the military. Now, look who's hiding! It *is* open season on US troops in Japan.

Rape the people, rape the land. But, hey everybody! Presents!! How 'bout a hug? Just what every girl wants after a "ride home".

Yankees Go Home - A Youtube video

That, more working out at the gym, and turning to raping each other. Careful in the showers! Don't drop the soap!!
The marines, like their ship-bound navy brothers, will turn to homosexual behavior...

Sick n' tired of yankee doodle dandie.
http://www.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/index.html

The Japanese, quite wisely, have decided to take protecting their own citizens from the monsters into their own hands

You can't take on the whole of Okinawa, "Umin". Yes, y'all kin hole up in yer base, eat MREs, and pleasure all the dependapotomuses you wish. When you poke yer fat heads out, it's whack-a-mole time!

I will tell you that if the RAF & RM were here in the Yanks place, it would be all sixes and sevens.

Say it like an American! "Kin I axe you a quesshun?"

I'd rather hear she was ok, getting any counseling and other support she needed. It'd be even better to hear it was on Uncle Sam's dime. The utter least bit the big bad US of A could do after that.

Ah, OK Natey-boy. I get it. You have a thing against people who know how and where to find relevant information. Confirmed - you ARE American!!!


Perhaps this will have the positive side-effect of tipping the balance in favor of the anti-helipad for Henoko group.

Easy answer - when USFJ leaves Okinawa for good.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Hey! I want royalties on my Greatest Hits album!!!

[YankeeGrl79]

Hey! I want royalties on my Greatest Hits album!!!


Theres more but I got tired of looking through the crap, but for the right price Ill put it all together for you.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

A little more about brother Chibana...


After an extensive prologue the book begins with the chapter entitled “Okinawa.” In Okinawa, Field discusses her life in Japan briefly and also about Chibana Shoichi, a supermarket owner famous for burning the Japanese “Rising Sun” flag while it was being raised for the Kaiho National Athletic meet in Yomitan, Okinawa. Shoichi’s main reason for removing and burning the flag was that he objected to such an oppressive symbol flying over his hometown. For Chibana, the flag represented, among other things, the ghastly atrocities Okinawans suffered at the hands of the Japanese army during the Battle of Okinawa as well as the continued presence of United States military forces and their bases. The reason he set the flag ablaze, as opposed simply to lowering it, he says, was to prevent its being returned to the flagpole. His deed and the subsequent trial brought to light a number of tensions in Okinawan society. Prior to the flag incident, Chibana had sought to preserve and publicize the memories of Okinawan civilian deaths during the Battle of Okinawa, especially at a cave called Chibichirigama. Some Okinawans supported Shoichi in his activities, but others preferred to let the painful past fade away quietly. Because of Chibana's notoriety after burning the flag, vandals attacked and destroyed the monument he had worked so hard to create. Furthermore, Chibana was harassed by militant right-wing groups screaming anti-Chibana criticisms through loudspeakers and also by setting his store ablaze. Chibana's public stance forced into the open uncomfortable questions about such things as Okinawan identity, the wartime behavior of Japanese soldiers, and the extent to which individuals are free to criticize the state and its symbols. However, Chibana was not close to being alone in his beliefs. As with the other issues Field tackles, she does not make this argument purely on personal conviction. By doing careful research within Okinawa, Field was able to conclude that Chibana Shoichi was not alone among Okinawans in his resentment of the Rising Sun. Many Okinawans continue to feel objectionable towards the emperor system for the incidents there during World War Two. Field explores the shudan jiketsu, which she defines as “compulsory group suicide,” providing chilling accounts of the deaths at Chibichirigama. Field also explains the unique situation of Okinawans, as they were forced to “choose” to die in the presence of both the Japanese and American militaries, both of which were considered enemies. After all, for as much as Okinawans were expected to sacrifice themselves like mainlanders in order to prove their equality with other Japanese people, they were almost as likely to face death at the hands of mainland Japanese soldiers who considered Okinawans to be both foreign and inferior. Chibana is an example of how many Japanese citizens feel. The Rising Sun flag is a prime example of the rape and pillaging of countries across Asia during World War Two. These citizens also feel the flag represents a part of their history they would like to leave behind and obstructs them from completely whitewashing the entire issue away.


http://www.danandmary.com/danand2/atomicbombsummer05edwards3.htm

[Asshat]

eele, again, I wont pretend to be a history expert- and can't spend the time Googling much. But I recall my ex wife saying to me that they were beaten at school for speaking hogan, and she also remembers her school being forced to fly the Japanese flag.

Thus, it seems laughable to me at least, that one would use that flag as an example of anger against anything Okinawan.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Yes, I knew an Okinawan back in my country. He said the same thing - they had to hang a sign around their neck when caught speaking hougen. They would punch each other to try and get someone to say "aga!" so they could pass the sign to another student.

[TheLastDon]

Yes, I knew an Okinawan back in my country. He said the same thing - they had to hang a sign around their neck when caught speaking hougen. They would punch each other to try and get someone to say "aga!" so they could pass the sign to another student.

That's sad and funny at the same time. :o

[Asshat]

Yes, I knew an Okinawan back in my country. He said the same thing - they had to hang a sign around their neck when caught speaking hougen. They would punch each other to try and get someone to say "aga!" so they could pass the sign to another student.

That is a sad story, but it cracks me up. It is exactly the kind of antics school children would be up to....and it also describes the resiliant nature of the Okinawan people.

[hankypanky]

Aga!!<3<3<3

[Ammoyankee]

edit, he changed his post before I sent it?


How about I put up a picture of a burning trailer park until you remove the burning J flag?

:thumbup1:

[Asshat]

How about I put up a picture of a burning trailer park until you remove the burning J flag?

:thumbup1:

Oh this is one of your best posts!!!!!!

[Ammoyankee]

Oh this is one of your best posts!!!!!!

Why thank you kind sir... Just me being me!

[YankeeGrl79]

How about I put up a picture of a burning trailer park until you remove the burning J flag?

:thumbup1:

Go for it I could care less

[Kye77]

YankeeGrl79:

Is the burning American flag you are referring to eel's avataR?

Now I understand what the moddies meant about avatars, hahaha.

[Tony Stacks]

Go for it I could care less

You care, it's eating at you.

[YankeeGrl79]

YankeeGrl79:

Is the burning American flag you are referring to eel's avataR?

Now I understand what the moddies meant about avatars, hahaha.

Yes it is and I think its a reasonable request

[YankeeGrl79]

You care, it's eating at you.


The flag buirning bothers me, I could care less about a trailer park cause Ive never even been to one and they dont symbolize America to me.

[DoctorP]

Yes it is and I think its a reasonable request

Request noted. Reviewed. And acted upon. No need to discuss it further. Is there any other way we can be of service?

[Tony Stacks]

The flag buirning bothers me, I could care less about a trailer park cause Ive never even been to one and they dont symbolize America to me.

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"

[YankeeGrl79]

Request noted. Reviewed. And acted upon. No need to discuss it further. Is there any other way we can be of service?

Someone asked me so I answered. I wasnt asking for it to be "Reviewed" by the almighty JU moderator panel next time they meet. I was just using my freedom of speech to say I thought it was reasonable. Thanks for the quick reply!!

[YankeeGrl79]

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"

I havent seen that one before here :rolleyes:

[Kye77]

Yes it is and I think its a reasonable request

Eh, the avatar seems to be displaying the 1995 protest in response to the recent incident. Not a deliberate one like yours, I'd say. It is your prerogative to display whatever avatar you want. However dishonorable other users are in displaying their avatars, the reason you put up yours is rather weak.

[DoctorP]

Someone asked me so I answered. I wasnt asking for it to be "Reviewed" by the almighty JU moderator panel next time they meet. I was just using my freedom of speech to say I thought it was reasonable. Thanks for the quick reply!!

No problem. Just think...around 70 posts ago, you vowed to leave the forums and never return...and yet here you are. How's that JU crack...baby? :thumbup:

[Tony Stacks]

I havent seen that one before here :rolleyes:

What makes you such a patriot?

You insult retired and prior service Marines. You insulted active duty military members. You are anti-freedom.

How are you a patriot? Am I missing something?

[okisteve]

This dam lockdown dun broughta whole new kinda wimmen to this forum!

[YankeeGrl79]

Eh, the avatar seems to be displaying the 1995 protest in response to the recent incident. Not a deliberate one like yours, I'd say. It is your prerogative to display whatever avatar you want. However dishonorable other users are in displaying their avatars, the reason you put up yours is rather weak.

Is it? I asked for our flag not to be allowed to be shown burned. Do you not think thats a reasonable request? I was told NO.

over 99% of the Americans here are doing the right thing. Theres no need for rage and the burning of our flag for the 1% that are idiots. Anyplace you go or any group of people are going to have that 1% that do crap like this. Is it a reason to burn a flag? I dont think so

[Tony Stacks]

I'm waiting for an answer YG79.............................................. .................

[YankeeGrl79]

I'm waiting for an answer YG79.............................................. .................

Im not going to answer to it. You know what the burning of the flag is, Im not going to go round and round about it.

[Tony Stacks]

Im not going to answer to it. You know what the burning of the flag is, Im not going to go round and round about it.

What makes you such a patriot?

You insult retired and prior service Marines. You insulted active duty military members. You are anti-freedom.

How are you a patriot? Am I missing something?

[Kye77]

Is it? I asked for our flag not to be allowed to be shown burned. Do you not think thats a reasonable request? I was told NO.

over 99% of the Americans here are doing the right thing. Theres no need for rage and the burning of our flag for the 1% that are idiots. Anyplace you go or any group of people are going to have that 1% that do crap like this. Is it a reason to burn a flag? I dont think so

How is your retaliation reasonable? How different are you from the local people protesting? This is a simple - if you do this, i shall do that. You are ready to offend a nation because you feel patriotic? That aint so smart at all. :thumbdown:

[YankeeGrl79]

What makes you such a patriot?

You insult retired and prior service Marines. You insulted active duty military members. You are anti-freedom.

How are you a patriot? Am I missing something?


Looks like a copy and paste job. My husband serves in the military and we are proud of our country. You know what the burning of the flag represents and that kind of message shouldnt be here. Remove the flag and Ill leave for good.

[YankeeGrl79]

How is your retaliation reasonable? How different are you from the local people protesting? This is a simple - if you do this, i shall do that. You are ready to offend a nation because you feel patriotic? That aint so smart at all. :thumbdown:


I feel offended by it and the burning Japanese flag offends others. I say remove them both. Im not Anti local I just dont want my flag burned. But since its free speech here Im going to do the same until its removed. Hopefully it hits a nerve with someone and they both get removed.

[Tanimaga]

I fail to see how Eel will be pressured into removing his avatar by showing the Japanese flag being burned.

[DoctorP]

Tani...logic is lost here!

[DougP]

Unfortunately flag burning is covered under the first ammendment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Desecration_Amendment
I may not like to see my nations flag being burned but I fully support constitutional rights. Now in Japan you can burn the Japanese flag but you cannot burn the flags of foreign countries. Not sure if its illegal to have a foreign flag burning in your avatar though:D

[YankeeGrl79]

Unfortunately flag burning is covered under the first ammendment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Desecration_Amendment
I may not like to see my nations flag being burned but I fully support constitutional rights. Now in Japan you can burn the Japanese flag but you cannot burn the flags of foreign countries. Not sure if its illegal to have a foreign flag burning in your avatar though:D


Thats fine. So really EEL might be breaking the law then but Im good since this is a Japanese IP address. :thumbup:

[Tony Stacks]

Looks like a copy and paste job. My husband serves in the military and we are proud of our country. You know what the burning of the flag represents and that kind of message shouldnt be here. Remove the flag and Ill leave for good.


Exactly your're husband is in the military NOT you.
Thank You I rest my case.

[YankeeGrl79]

I fail to see how Eel will be pressured into removing his avatar by showing the Japanese flag being burned.

People keep asking me about it so it must be striking a nerve with some people. Maybe if enough/the right people dont want to see it anymore the the US flag burning will be removed.

Yes it is a right to do it but I think most of us know what it represents. Theres alot of things that are legal that people find insulting but just because its legal shouldnt mean its allowed. Look at all the infractions lately. Calling someone a name isnt breaking the law, its freedom of speech. But you get a infraction for doing it. But pictures that do the same thing are ok? It doesnt make much sense

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Breaking the law in what way? Shirley you can't be serial...

[YankeeGrl79]

Exactly your're husband is in the military NOT you.
Thank You I rest my case.

So you cant be patriotic if you havent served in the military? Thats one of the craziest things I have ever heard.

I did try to join the military but I cant because we have kids and I guess you cant join and make a dual military situation.

[okisteve]

Eel, did that photo ever appear in an American newspaper? If so, I'll bet the publisher did some hard time. (crap, where's my smiley?)

[Kye77]

When I saw eel's avatar, it never gave me the impression that eel is anti-American. I thought he put it up to coincide with the forum's latest HOT topic. He even states above the avatar that it is the 1995 protest.

I see a more blatant "trying to offend people for the fun of it" avatar by Rchan.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Here's a website to help YG79 in her fight...

http://www.theodora.com/flags/new8/flag_burning_1.html

[Crazysix]

wow if Eels pissed you off I should black hitler back on mine

[YankeeGrl79]

When I saw eel's avatar, it never gave me the impression that eel is anti-American.


Read some of his posts then and maybe you will change your mind.

[DougP]

eel isn't breaking any laws. hmm does antarctica have a flag? I'm gonna burn that and put it in my avatar to make everyone happy:D

[Tempestuous]

How is your retaliation reasonable?
Because two wrongs make a right.
It makes a "statement"!
Darn it!!!

So now, instead of one person being looked upon as acting foolish they have company.

We have the ability to block out avatars & signatures as well as the ability to ignore users that may not be users we want to "put up with" their posts and rhetoric.
We can at any time enlist our rights & abilities to utilize the above mentioned tools, instead of just bellyaching & complaining over every little thing.

[YankeeGrl79]

wow if Eels pissed you off I should black hitler back on mine

huh? I dont get it

[Tanimaga]

I understand your sentiment, and all is well.
Eels avatar is of a Japanese man burning the American flag is it not? He has taken no actions to promote dissention or disrespect anyone. Maybe it is a statement about freedoms, maybe a poke at the Japanese during these times?
My avatar is an celtic symbol "Dagas" meaning transformation..sometimes it is used for Aryan and racial purposes even though that isn't it's actual meaning or intent.
You want to make a statement, put 'ol glory waving high and proud, not debase the Japanese flag.

[YankeeGrl79]

eel isn't breaking any laws. hmm does antarctica have a flag? I'm gonna burn that and put it in my avatar to make everyone happy:D


I NEVER said he did

[DougP]

mine is a crude south park representation of myself. My personal looks often offend people so I'd imagine this illustration does as well:D

[DougP]

I NEVER said he did

I was just throwing it out there. Wasn't because of anything you posted.

[YankeeGrl79]

I understand your sentiment, and all is well.
Eels avatar is of a Japanese man burning the American flag is it not? He has taken no actions to promote dissention or disrespect anyone. Maybe it is a statement about freedoms, maybe a poke at the Japanese during these times?
My avatar is an celtic symbol "Dagas" meaning transformation..sometimes it is used for Aryan and racial purposes even though that isn't it's actual meaning or intent.
You want to make a statement, put 'ol glory waving high and proud, not debase the Japanese flag.

Read some of his posts, he is Anti American. I will remove it as soon as his is removed. Simple as that, otherwise chalk it up as my protest to his avatar. If it bothers you ask him to remove it and if he does then Ill remove mine too.

[Tempestuous]

South Park does seem to be considered incredibly offensive.....to any one who doesn't actually watch the show.

[Ammoyankee]

I can feel an Iggy coming on...

[YankeeGrl79]

I was just throwing it out there. Wasn't because of anything you posted.

Im just saying that it is offensive to me. Just like the burning Japanese flag seems offensive to some here. If you guys will hand out infractions for insulting words then why not remove pictures that are known to insult other people? Its common knowlege that a burning flag is offensive.

[Tanimaga]

If you guys will hand out infractions for insulting words then why not remove pictures that are known to insult other people.

Hate to say it...as neither avatar rubs me one way or the other.. but that makes sense. (In a PC way)

[Tony Stacks]

YG97,
you still never enlightened us on how and why you are a patriot. I'm still waiting.

How are YOU a patriot?
Not your hubby, not your relatives, not your friends but how are YOU a patriot?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

IN the words of the immortal Motley Crue...

Yankee girls ya just can't be beat,
You're the best when you're off your feet!

[YankeeGrl79]

YG97,
you still never enlightened us on how and why you are a patriot. I'm still waiting.

How are YOU a patriot?
Not your hubby, not your relatives, not your friends but how are YOU a patriot?


I already did and your logic makes ZERO sense.

[Tony Stacks]

I already did and your logic makes ZERO sense.


Well you jusr seem like a Keyboard commando. I'm not saying you are. You just seem that way and I think others would agree.

[DougP]

Im just saying that it is offensive to me. Just like the burning Japanese flag seems offensive to some here. If you guys will hand out infractions for insulting words then why not remove pictures that are known to insult other people? Its common knowlege that a burning flag is offensive.

Unfortunately we dont get issued to many infraction bullets in our clips. I sure would hate to have to hand out one for everything that could be considered offensive. My arm would get tired from thowing them out there:D I do see where you're coming from though. But its not against the rules or breaking any laws so it stays. I believe that means your's can as well. Happy posting:first:

[YankeeGrl79]

Well you jusr seem like a Keyboard commando. I'm not saying you are. You just seem that way and I think others would agree.

Why dont you go back and read my answer to the question you keep asking over and over. Its already been posted

[Tony Stacks]

Why dont you go back and read my answer to the question you keep asking over and over. Its already been posted

I did and your answer does nothing to show how YOU are a patriot.

[YankeeGrl79]

I did and your answer does nothing to show how YOU are a patriot.

Because I never served in the military? I tried and wasnt eligible

[socalheart]

You have the right to request that someone change his/her avatar. Posting an avatar in retaliation is also your right, albeit possibly childish depending on one's reasons for doing so.

You say that you are insulted by the avatar of an American flag burning. Do you not think that others aren't insulted by an avatar of a Japanese flag burning? If the person using the offensive avatar was a Japanese citizen or cared about your request and retalitory avatar, he/she might've been more likely to change the avatar. Since this has not been done, your request may have fallen on deaf ears. Thus, your maintaining the retalitory avatar could be seen as hateful toward the flag's country.

The forums do have Japanese members who read posts and post, albeit not often. Have you considered that they may be offended by your avatar, but may possibly not be saying so out of politeness or minimal English skills to state a proper request for you to change your avatar to accommodate their sensitivities? Have you thought beyond your own feelings in this matter?

In no way am I taking sides here. I am an American citizen. I know the blood that has flowed through my veins is the very blood of Marines who may have given it freely in more ways than one. I would not disrespect their sacrifices and service with such hateful remarks the likes I have seen here by those who share your own feelings and beliefs of Japan. Americans will fight for and honor freedom foremost, regardless of for who or where.

Eh, the avatar seems to be displaying the 1995 protest in response to the recent incident. Not a deliberate one like yours, I'd say. It is your prerogative to display whatever avatar you want. However dishonorable other users are in displaying their avatars, the reason you put up yours is rather weak.
Originally Posted by YankeeGrl79
Yes it is and I think its a reasonable request... I feel offended by it and the burning Japanese flag offends others.

[Tony Stacks]

Looks like a copy and paste job. My husband serves in the military and we are proud of our country. You know what the burning of the flag represents and that kind of message shouldnt be here. Remove the flag and Ill leave for good.

This was your answer.

So again how does this make YOU a patriot??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????WTF over

[YankeeGrl79]

So you cant be patriotic if you havent served in the military? Thats one of the craziest things I have ever heard.

I did try to join the military but I cant because we have kids and I guess you cant join and make a dual military situation.

Tony, its right here

[Tony Stacks]

Because I never served in the military? I tried and wasnt eligible


Why does'nt that surprise me? Hmm:-|

Anywho a Patriot does not insult veterans like YOU and your FRIENDS did!:cursing:

[Tony Stacks]

Quote:
Originally Posted by YankeeGrl79
So you cant be patriotic if you havent served in the military? Thats one of the craziest things I have ever heard.

I did try to join the military but I cant because we have kids and I guess you cant join and make a dual military situation.



Wow this is funny. I know a lot of dual military couples with kids.

[Muku]

Damn Socal you are getting good at this:thumbup:

It's nice to hear someone else that is able to stop and try to look at issues from ALL sides and not point fingers, something I am not always able to do:o

Great post!

[YankeeGrl79]

You have the right to request that someone change his/her avatar. Posting an avatar in retaliation is also your right, albeit possibly childish depending on one's reasons for doing so.

You say that you are insulted by the avatar of an American flag burning. Do you not think that others aren't insulted by an avatar of a Japanese flag burning? If the person using the offensive avatar was a Japanese citizen or cared about your request and retalitory avatar, he/she might've been more likely to change the avatar. Since this has not been done, your request may have fallen on deaf ears. Thus, your maintaining the retalitory avatar could be seen as hateful toward the flag's country.

The forums do have Japanese members who read posts and post, albeit not often. Have you considered that they may be offended by your avatar, but may possibly not be saying so out of politeness or minimal English skills to state a proper request for you to change your avatar to accommodate their sensitivities? Have you thought beyond your own feelings in this matter?

In no way am I taking sides here. I am an American citizen. I know the blood that has flowed through my veins is the very blood of Marines who may have given it freely in more ways than one. I would not disrespect their sacrifices and service with such hateful remarks the likes I have seen here by those who share your own feelings and beliefs of Japan. Americans will fight for and honor freedom foremost, regardless of for who or where.


I expect it will offend them, do I think its right? Ofcourse I dont. But the burning of our flag offends me and I HAVE SPOKEN UP. I will remove it as soon as I see ELL removes his. Ive already stated this numerous times and the mods think both should stay. They dont care whos offended by it. Like you said they both offend people. But all the mods care about is tracking down the people who sling petty insults instead.

[Tempestuous]

Go on with your Soapbox moment SoCal!
Mom's are awesome :)

[YankeeGrl79]

Quote:
Originally Posted by YankeeGrl79
So you cant be patriotic if you havent served in the military? Thats one of the craziest things I have ever heard.

I did try to join the military but I cant because we have kids and I guess you cant join and make a dual military situation.



Wow this is funny. I know a lot of dual military couples with kids.
I do too but I was told that since my husband is in now I cant join because we have kids. I would put it on anything, I was actually told this twice. They said if both members are in its ok but a spouse cant join with a Active duty spouse and kids.

[DougP]

crikey my internets are slow right now... ugh.... can barely keep up with this thread.. :(

[Bones]

As posted by Tony Stacks:

Wow this is funny. I know a lot of dual military couples with kids.

She might have a point, Tony. If her husband joined the military after they were already married, and they already had kids at the time, then it is possible that she was denied her enlistment.

The other people who you see, who are married military couples, probably met while the were both enlisted before they got married, and had children later.

NBTP

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Warm day, wasn't it? Good time for a bbq...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/otokonoyama/cooltext80549906.gif

[YankeeGrl79]

As posted by Tony Stacks:



She might have a point, Tony. If her husband joined the military after they were already married, and they already had kids at the time, then it is possible that she was denied her enlistment.

The other people who you see, who are married military couples, probably met while the were both enlisted before they got married, and had children later.

NBTP

Thats exactly the case.

[Tony Stacks]

Come on you can get a waiver for anything.....

[Tempestuous]

Thought the same thing NBTP.
But, there are waivers for just about everything.

[Tempestuous]

Jinx, you owe me a trip over Tony!!! ;)

[DougP]

everybody in this thread Racka Disciprine!!:D

[YankeeGrl79]

Come on you can get a waiver for anything.....

If 2 recruiters say a waiver wont go through then Im almost positive thats the case. Who would they pass up someone knocking at the recruiting office looking to join if they could get me in.

[Tempestuous]

Possibly :)

Or drank way too much coffee today!!! (which again falls into lack of discipline. ;))

[okisteve]

If 2 recruiters say a waiver wont go through then Im almost positive thats the case. Who would they pass up someone knocking at the recruiting office looking to join if they could get me in.


Well, it does make you wonder:ohmy:

[Tony Stacks]

If 2 recruiters say a waiver wont go through then Im almost positive thats the case. Who would they pass up someone knocking at the recruiting office looking to join if they could get me in.


Well I think there were some other disqualifying factors, mental issues to be precise.

Just my theory and I am NOT insulting you.

Have you talked to the Chaplain yet?

[YankeeGrl79]

Well I think there were some other disqualifying factors, mental issues to be precise.

Just my theory and I am NOT insulting you.

Have you talked to the Chaplain yet?

Oh so they do mental evals now to join? It is a personal attack and you know it, reported. Keep it up Tony

[Tony Stacks]

Oh so they do mental evals now to join? It is a personal attack and you know it, reported. Keep it up Tony

No it's not. I said it's not so it's not.

[Kye77]

I expect it will offend them, do I think its right? Ofcourse I dont. But the burning of our flag offends me and I HAVE SPOKEN UP. I will remove it as soon as I see ELL removes his. Ive already stated this numerous times and the mods think both should stay. They dont care whos offended by it. Like you said they both offend people. But all the mods care about is tracking down the people who sling petty insults instead.

I would think a patriot would be more sensitive to the patriotism of others.

socalheart:

I've given up on replying to her, replying to me. Get it? :D

She says she will have it there until eel takes his down but since eel won't, she will continue to do the same thing she is peeved about.

[YankeeGrl79]

No it's not. I said it's not so it's not.

Whatever, you know they dont do mental evals of recruits. You also dont know me or any of my medical history so to say anything like that is a personal attack.

I can score over a 270 on the Army APFT any day of the week. I meet all requirements to join and I already have a security clearance too. The only thing stopping me was the dual military thing. I never took the ASVAB but I had a 1750 SAT score so Im sure I would have done well on it.

[YankeeGrl79]

I would think a patriot would be more sensitive to the patriotism of others.

socalheart:

I've given up on replying to her, replying to me. Get it? :D

She says she will have it there until eel takes his down but since eel won't, she will continue to do the same thing she is peeved about.


Dont complain to me, complain to the mods that let it happen. We both know its not right then why not say something about it to them?

[Kye77]

Whatever, you know they dont do mental evals of recruits. You also dont know me or any of my medical history so to say anything like that is a personal attack.

I can score over a 270 on the Army APFT any day of the week. I meet all requirements to join and I already have a security clearance too. The only thing stopping me was the dual military thing. I never took the ASVAB but I had a 1750 SAT score so Im sure I would have done well on it.

I don't know squat about the requirements to join the military but I can tell that you must have been mighty disappointed when you were rejected. It is admirable that you are such an enthusiast.
You know, I hope you can just overlook avatars & just stick around the forum talking about other stuff.

[okisteve]

Whatever, you know they dont do mental evals of recruits.

SERIOUSLY? iS THIS TRUE? I'm not asking about you specifically, just very surprised. If you tell me that there is no background check at all, that means you can join an organization where they fire live ammo and nuclear weapons and stuff, and it takes less brains and common sense than to get a .22 cal. rifle legally?
:dead::dead::dead:

[P_chan]

Thats fine. So really EEL might be breaking the law then but Im good since this is a Japanese IP address. :thumbup:

Goodness! As drP said, logic really is lost here.

You keep talking about your "rights" but fail to realize that this is an internet forum. Here there is only one right, what dk says goes. But then you say your rights are protected because your posting from japan. How is that?

Oh, and I hope you don't live on base. Because if you do, you're still posting from a stateside IP address.

[DougP]

alright I know this is going to stir up some anger but a wheelchair bound 80 year old one armed one leg couch potatoe could score over a 270 on the APFT under the female standards.

[P_chan]

People keep asking me about it so it must be striking a nerve with some people. Maybe if enough/the right people dont want to see it anymore the the US flag burning will be removed.

Yes it is a right to do it but I think most of us know what it represents. Theres alot of things that are legal that people find insulting but just because its legal shouldnt mean its allowed. Look at all the infractions lately. Calling someone a name isnt breaking the law, its freedom of speech. But you get a infraction for doing it. But pictures that do the same thing are ok? It doesnt make much sense


LOL you can't insult other members because it's against the forum rules. There is also an unspoken rule to turn off avatars if one offends you. He also is only offending you with his avatar, no one else seems to be effected by it. So eel is not breaking any rules.

Remember, the forum is a dictatorship with dk at the wheel, not a democracy.

[YankeeGrl79]

I don't know squat about the requirements to join the military but I can tell that you might have been mighty disappointed when you were rejected. It is admirable that you are such an enthusiast.
You know, I hope you can just overlook avatars & just stick around the forum talking about other stuff.

Thank you Kye, it was disappointing to find out I couldnt join. I might stick around, hopefully people can talk about some other things sometime in the near future.

[YankeeGrl79]

alright I know this is going to stir up some anger but a wheelchair bound 80 year old one armed one leg couch potatoe could score over a 270 on the APFT under the female standards.

Your right, I could actually go well into the extended scale on the run and pushups but after having 2 kids situps take time. If I did join and worked at it more Id be well over 300 everytime.

[YankeeGrl79]

Goodness! As drP said, logic really is lost here.

You keep talking about your "rights" but fail to realize that this is an internet forum. Here there is only one right, what dk says goes. But then you say your rights are protected because your posting from japan. How is that?

Oh, and I hope you don't live on base. Because if you do, you're still posting from a stateside IP address.


sarcastic :D

[watzitoou]

Whatever, you know they dont do mental evals of recruits. You also dont know me or any of my medical history so to say anything like that is a personal attack.

I can score over a 270 on the Army APFT any day of the week. I meet all requirements to join and I already have a security clearance too. The only thing stopping me was the dual military thing. I never took the ASVAB but I had a 1750 SAT score so Im sure I would have done well on it.

Recruiter's Medical Questions for You
If you decide to start the application process, your recruiter will give you a list of questions. These questions will again be asked at MEPS. They are largely yes/no questions. First your recruiter will review your answers. Then he/she may ask you for official proof that your conditions are no longer present or serious.

Have you ever had or do you now have the following (yes/no):

1. Asthma, wheezing, or inhaler use
2. Dislocated joint, including knee, hip, shoulder, elbow, ankle or other joint
3. Epilepsy, fits, seizures, or convulsions
4. Sleepwalking
5. Recurrent neck or back pain
6. Rheumatic fever
7. Foot pain
8. A swollen, painful, or dislocated joint or fluid in a joint (knee, shoulder, wrist, elbow, etc.)
9. Double vision
10. Periods of unconsciousness
11. Frequent or severe headaches causing loss of time from work or school or taking medication to prevent frequent or severe headaches
12. Wear contact lenses (If so, bring your contact lens kit and solution so you can remove your contact when we test your vision at the MEPS; also, if you have a pair of eyeglasses, bring them with you no matter how old they are.)
13. Fainting spells or passing out
14. Head injury, including skull fracture, resulting in concussion, loss of consciousness, headaches, etc.
15. Back surgery
16. Seen a psychiatrist, psychologist, social worker, counselor or other professional for any reason (inpatient or outpatient) including counseling or treatment for school, adjustment, family, marriage or any other problem, to include depression, or treatment for alcohol, drug or substance abuse
17. Any of the following skin diseases:
Eczema

Psoriasis

Atopic dermatitis

18. Irregular heartbeat, including abnormally rapid or slow heart rates
19. Allergic to bee, wasp, or other insect stings (itching/swelling all over and/or get short of breath)
20. Heart murmur, valve problem or mitral valve prolapse
21. Allergic to wool
22. Heart surgery
23. Been rejected for military service (temporary or permanent) for medical or other reasons
24. Any other heart problems
25. High blood pressure
26. Discharged from military service for medical reasons
27. Ulcer (stomach, duodenum or other part of intestine)
28. Received disability compensation for an injury or other medical condition
29. Hepatitis (liver infection or inflammation)
30. Intestinal obstruction (locked bowels), or any other chronic or recurrent intestinal problem, including small intestine or colon problems, such as Crohn's disease or colitis
31. Detached retina or surgery for a detached retina
32. Surgery to remove a portion of the intestine (other than the appendix)
33. Any other eye condition, injury or surgery
34. Are you over 40? (If so, call the MEPS for information on special requirements for over-40 physicals)
35. Gall bladder trouble or gall stones
36. Jaundice
37. Missing a kidney
38. Allergy to common food (milk, bread, eggs, meat, fish or other common food)
39. (Females only) Abnormal PAP smear or gynecological problem
40. (Males only) Missing a testicle, testicular implant, or undescended testicle
41. Broken bone requiring surgery to repair (with or without pins, plates, screws or other metal fixation devices used in repair)
42. Ruptured or bulging disk in your back or surgery for a ruptured or bulging disk
43. Thyroid condition or take medication for your thyroid
44. Limitation of motion of any joint, including knee, shoulder, wrist, elbow, hip or other joint
45. Drug or alcohol rehab
46. Kidney, urinary tract or bladder problems, surgery, stones or other urinary tract problems
47. Sugar, protein or blood in urine
48. Surgery on a bone or joint (knee, shoulder, elbow, wrist, etc.) including Arthroscopy with normal findings
49. Taking any medications
50. Pain or swelling at the site of an old fracture
51. Perforated ear drum or tubes in ear drum(s)
52. Anemia
53. Ear surgery, to include mastoidectomy or repair of perforated ear drum, hearing loss or need/use a hearing aid
54. Night blindness
55. Arthritis
56. Absence or disturbance of the sense of smell
57. Absence or removal of the spleen, or rupture or tear of the spleen without removal
58. Anorexia or other eating disorder
59. Cracked bone or fracture(s)
60. Bursitis
61. Braces (If you wear or are planning on obtaining braces for your teeth, have the orthodontist submit a letter stating that braces will be removed before active duty date; release form and sample format can be found in the Recruiter's Medical Guide.)
62. Loss of finger, toe or part thereof
63. Loss of the ability to fully flex (bend) or fully extend a finger, toe or other joint
64. Shoulder, knee, or elbow problem (out of place)
65. Locking of the knee or other joint
66. Giving way of knee or other joint
67. Cataracts or surgery for cataracts
68. Eye surgery, including radial keratotomy, lens implant or other eye surgery to improve your vision
69. Collapsed lung or other lung condition
70. Bed wetting since age 12
71. Evaluation, treatment, or hospitalization for alcohol abuse, dependence, or addiction
72. Taken medication, drugs, or any substance to improve attention, behavior, or physical performance
73. Do you smoke? If yes:
Type: Cigarettes - Cigars - Smokeless tobacco

How many per day?

74. Evaluation, treatment, or hospitalization for substance use, abuse, addiction or dependence (including illegal drugs, prescription medications, or other substances)
75. Any illnesses, surgery, or hospitalization not listed above

[Muku]

Read some of his posts, he is Anti American. I will remove it as soon as his is removed. Simple as that, otherwise chalk it up as my protest to his avatar. If it bothers you ask him to remove it and if he does then Ill remove mine too.
I will say this once here to you and I sincerely hope you take the time to read this without any malice or anger. Take a deep breath first....then continue please.



It's attitudes like this that cause wars. He did this, you did that, he has to do this before I do that.

Who is the better person here? You for disparaging the Japanese people as a guest of their country? Or eel who happens NOT to be an American btw.
You are an adult I assume, would you teach your children to act the same way you are acting here now on this forum?

I know I would be slapping the crap outta my kids if they disrespected people in this manner, particularly those that are hosting them. It is embarrassing to say the least.

I hope you realize that to eel the burning of the American flag means nothing.
If you want to protest his avatar then get the country right, he is Canadian.

Get it right ok?

[YankeeGrl79]

SERIOUSLY? iS THIS TRUE? I'm not asking about you specifically, just very surprised. If you tell me that there is no background check at all, that means you can join an organization where they fire live ammo and nuclear weapons and stuff, and it takes less brains and common sense than to get a .22 cal. rifle legally?
:dead::dead::dead:


There is a background check and they do screen medical records that they can get. If you didnt commit any serious crimes and dont have any serious medical problems then you should be able to join.

[DougP]

Your right, I could actually go well into the extended scale on the run and pushups but after having 2 kids situps take time. If I did join and worked at it more Id be well over 300 everytime.

Dont worry about it too much. The APFT is not a reall god measure of how fit someone really is. All it does is measure how well you can do push ups, sit ups and a two mile run. There's a lot more to the physical aspect of being a soldier than those 3 things. Like how far and fast you can carry your 180lb frind and all his gear. Hopefully fast and far enough to get you both to safe ground.

[P_chan]

Mental instability is a medical problem! They do check for it, and make you take a "crazy" test once you're in BMT (if you make it that far).

If they're doing there background check and start checking your medical records and find out you went to a psychologist for being bipolar. They'll probably reject your for medical issues.

[watzitoou]

I do too but I was told that since my husband is in now I cant join because we have kids. I would put it on anything, I was actually told this twice. They said if both members are in its ok but a spouse cant join with a Active duty spouse and kids.

What are the qualifications to join the Army?
The following are the basic requirements for enlisting:
You must be a U.S. citizen or a resident alien.
Be between the ages of 17-34. Seventeen-year olds need parental consent.
Have a high school diploma.
Have no more than two dependents.
Take and pass the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) test.
Pass a Military Entrance Processing Station medical exam.

I know people that the spouse joined Army and other branches of service, after being married to AD spouse with no problems.

[YankeeGrl79]

I hope you realize that to eel the burning of the American flag means nothing.
If you want to protest his avatar then get the country right, he is Canadian.

Get it right ok?

Well to me it does mean something but the mods here only care about written insults not visual insults. Im going to remove mine if it makes you guys feel that much better about it. We are the only ones that should be offended around here. Lets see how many people jump on his back about it. I apoligze to the people who it offended. It sucks doesnt it?

[Muku]

Mental instability is a medical problem! They do check for it, and make you take a "crazy" test once your in BMT.

If they're doing there background check and start checking your medical records and find out you went to a psychologist for being bipolar. They'll probably reject your for medical issues.
AF wouldnt take me because I admitted to using """""""""" once or twice:-| They said it made me possibly "unstable":D

[watzitoou]

Mental instability is a medical problem! They do check for it, and make you take a "crazy" test once your in BMT.

If they're doing there background check and start checking your medical records and find out you went to a psychologist for being bipolar. They'll probably reject your for medical issues.

:first:

probably didn't even make it that far, just reading the first page of all this nonsense I would rejected automatically!

[DougP]

AF wouldnt take me because I admitted to using """""""""" once or twice:-| They said it made me possibly "unstable":D

They wouldn't take you for using quotation marks? figures, the bastards:D

[okisteve]

AF wouldnt take me because I admitted to using """""""""" once or twice:-| They said it made me possibly "unstable":D

I hope you didn't say that you didn't exhale.:scared:

[YankeeGrl79]

I know people that the spouse joined Army and other branches of service, after being married to AD spouse with no problems.

I just know my personal experiance. I also know that every couple I know married while both were AD already.

[Muku]

Well to me it does mean something but the mods here only care about written insults not visual insults. Im going to remove mine if it makes you guys feel that much better about it. We are the only ones that should be offended around here. Lets see how many people jump on his back about it. I apoligze to the people who it offended. It sucks doesnt it?

Excuse me....do you realize that burning the flag is a protected right according to the US Constitution?

You may not like it but it is protected speech. Not many do it but that doesnt apply here since EEL ISNT AMERICAN!

I served my country along with many others here, dont assume to know what we feel please.

I was willing to put my life on the line to allow people to keep those rights and lady as much as I may not like it, I respect a persons right to voice or "image" their opinions

[TheNoNamedOne]

YankeeGirl, did you take down your Jpn flag burning avatar? Why? No foul. Ah, you should put that back up. Draw strength from Eel's siggy. Go read it.

[Muku]

I hope you didn't say that you didn't exhale.:scared:

I respectfully pleade the 5th here as I no longer want to include anything that could possibly incriminate myself from any other possible federal service that I may choose to apply for in the future.:-| :D

[DougP]

YankeeGirl, did you take down your Jpn flag burning avatar? Why? No foul. Ah, you should put that back up. Draw strength from Eel's siggy. Go read it.

You're late to this bonfire. There's already enough in here fanning the flames:first:

[YankeeGrl79]

Excuse me....do you realize that burning the flag is a protected right according to the US Constitution?

You may not like it but it is protected speech. Not many do it but that doesnt apply here since EEL ISNT AMERICAN!

I served my country along with many others here, dont assume to know what we feel please.

I was willing to put my life on the line to allow people to keep those rights and lady as much as I may not like it, I respect a persons right to voice or "image" their opinions

I think we already covered this about 10 times already but thanks anyways.
Its offensive just like if I called you (Insert insult here), its offensive. Freedom of speech means I can call you (Insert word here), but its censored here by the mods. But everyone is willing to fight to the death to prove that flag burning is ok here. Its just as offensive of not more.

[okisteve]

I respectfully pleade the 5th here as I no longer want to include anything that could possibly incriminate myself from any other possible federal service that I may choose to apply for in the future.:-| :DGot it.... your secret is safe here.

[Muku]

YG...you just proved to me at least who is the bigger person here.

I may not agree with your logic or some of your posts, however you have gained a different level of respect from me at least for what you have just done.

Thank you.:thumbup:

[Muku]

I think we already covered this about 10 times already but thanks anyways.
Its offensive just like if I called you (Insert insult here), its offensive. Freedom of speech means I can call you (Insert word here), but its censored here by the mods. But everyone is willing to fight to the death to prove that flag burning is ok here. Its just as offensive of not more.
I have never written anywhere here that says anything anywhere close to agreeing that flag burning is ok, dont be mistaken.

However I served to protect the right to allow others to do so. What does that tell you about not just me but others here that have served and are serving NOW?

Be thankful that we live in a society that has people like us willing to die defending these rights....otherwise we all would be in prison camps or worse.

[TheNoNamedOne]

You're late to this bonfire. There's already enough in here fanning the flames:first:

I've read parts of this thread, and it doesn't seem like it has gotten out of control at all. Flag burning is fine. YankeeG should have stayed strong. Hell, I am sure Eel respected her more for her taking strong issue with him and stepping up to show a similar avatar.

Damn, DougP, wasn't that like one of yours and mine first debates here when you immigrated from zeroyon? We need to make a new flag burning thread to debate in.

Has your opinion changed on that any since then? I think I recall you mentioning that some of your views have changed a little since debating here. Not sure, though. Could be wrong.

[YankeeGrl79]

I have never written anywhere here that says anything anywhere close to agreeing that flag burning is ok, dont be mistaken.

However I served to protect the right to allow others to do so. What does that tell you about not just me but others here that have served and are serving NOW?

Be thankful that we live in a society that has people like us willing to die defending these rights....otherwise we all would be in prison camps or worse.

Your right but others have. I understand 100% its a right but its still offensive.


Its offensive just like if I called you (Insert insult here), its offensive. Freedom of speech means I can call you (Insert word here), but its censored here by the mods. But everyone is willing to fight to the death to prove that flag burning is ok here. Its just as offensive of not more.
:old:

[Kye77]

YankeeGrl79:

I'm glad you finally did take it down.

I personally don't think this sort of avatars are offending. When you actually indicated & called attention to yours as being tit for tat without looking at the big picture, that probably seemed irrational to some which is actually what many others & I were trying to say. Not taking sides or being patriotic about a country.

By the way, have you tried the forum casino? Try it & tell me if you TOTALLY lose on your first time! I did. However, Muku donated to poor me & I'm richer now.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Naw, it was impossible to respect YG79 from the start. She changed her story, rationale, and battle cry so often, you'd have thunk she apprenticed how to read the shifting winds of opinion with Muku. My avatar merely punctuates the situation and sentiment locally. Nothing to do with insulting an individual or group. Her avatar was a misguided attempt to get her way, much as four-year-olds tantrum and hold their breath. I think she should have kept it.

[YankeeGrl79]

YankeeGirl, did you take down your Jpn flag burning avatar? Why? No foul. Ah, you should put that back up. Draw strength from Eel's siggy. Go read it.

Its whatever, its just as bad as a written insult if not more. Hes your homeboy and I knew no one was going to jump on his back about it. Double standard. They shouldnt have to see their flag burned but its ok for us to see ours.

[DougP]

I've read parts of this thread, and it doesn't seem like it has gotten out of control at all. Flag burning is fine. YankeeG should have stayed strong. Hell, I am sure Eel respected her more for her taking strong issue with him and stepping up to show a similar avatar.

Damn, DougP, wasn't that like one of yours and mine first debates here when you immigrated from zeroyon? We need to make a new flag burning thread to debate in.

Has your opinion changed on that any since then? I think I recall you mentioning that some of your views have changed a little since debating here. Not sure, though. Could be wrong.

Well a few views have definitely changed since joining here and since my time out of the military. I wouldn't say my views on anything are set in stone but matters of the heart might still be etched in pretty good.:)

I still hate watching the flag burn very much as it feels as though a fellow friend is being burned alive when I se such a thing. But I am bound by my convictions to uphold the constitution and respect the given rights of others. My feelings for upholding others rights outway those I have against burning the flag. If any of that makes sense.:)

[YankeeGrl79]

My avatar merely punctuates the situation and sentiment locally. Nothing to do with insulting an individual or group.

It is insulting to me, why is it so hard to believe that an American wouldnt like to see their flag burned?

[P_chan]

Its whatever, its just as bad as a written insult if not more. Hes your homeboy and I knew no one was going to jump on his back about it. Double standard. They shouldnt have to see their flag burned but its ok for us to see ours.

She hasn't even been here a week and she knows eel adn TP are ass pals:first:

J/K of course:D

[Fonze]

Yankee girl my thing got erased by TP.

It still what it is that their is bias in this thread and that a member is ashamed of what he is. I think he is angry of being gay and not accepted fully in society.

[TheNoNamedOne]

She hasn't even been here a week and she knows eel adn TP are ass pals:first:

J/K of course:D

Refrain from making these kinds of insults about sexuality or relationships between members. Adding j/k does not make it any less of a foul. -- TP

[P_chan]

Refrain from making these kinds of insults about sexuality or relationships between members. Adding j/k does not make it any less of a foul. -- TP


Ok, I guess I could have used a different word, but you knew what I was getting at.

[YankeeGrl79]

Yankee girl my thing got erased by TP.

It still what it is that their is bias in this thread and that a member is ashamed of what he is. I think he is angry of being gay and not accepted fully in society.

It is what it is. :D

[TheNoNamedOne]

Yankee girl my thing got erased by TP.

It still what it is that their is bias in this thread and that a member is ashamed of what he is. I think he is angry of being gay and not accepted fully in society.

Cease the personal insults and stop discussing moderation in the threads that moderation occurs. Thank you. -- TP

[DougP]

any posts about others being gay, butt buddies, ass pals, ass hats, and anything else that doesn't belong here and I'll delete it if other mods do not

Now seriously folks, act right in here. come on.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Well a few views have definitely changed since joining here and since my time out of the military. I wouldn't say my views on anything are set in stone but matters of the heart might still be etched in pretty good.:)

I still hate watching the flag burn very much as it feels as though a fellow friend is being burned alive when I se such a thing. But I am bound by my convictions to uphold the constitution and respect the given rights of others. My feelings for upholding others rights outway those I have against burning the flag. If any of that makes sense.:)

Fair enough, Doug. Good reply.

[Fonze]

Hey posting the truth in a respectable manner should'nt be discouraged. especially when it has to do with a members post involving feelings. I mean the flag burning hurts mine but you twoface moods are okay with that right>?

[YankeeGrl79]

Hey posting the truth in a respectable manner should'nt be discouraged. especially when it has to do with a members post involving feelings. I mean the flag burning hurts mine but you twoface moods are okay with that right>?

Flag burning is a right and even though its insulting its a right and is allowed. Calling someone a (Insert word here) is a right and is insulting but isnt allowed. Why?

[DougP]

Hey posting the truth in a respectable manner should'nt be discouraged. especially when it has to do with a members post involving feelings. I mean the flag burning hurts mine but you twoface moods are okay with that right>?

I see what you're saying about emotions flaring up. That's why I'm not handing out infractions for the people in here who have posted up junk they know doesn't fly around here. Calling someone gay or butt buddies etc, even if its just hinting at it is not something I or any other mod can just let slide by.

I don't like flag burning either but its in compliance with the constitution and the forum rules.. therefore it stays.

[DougP]

Flag burning is a right and even though its insulting its a right and is allowed. Calling someone a (Insert word here) is a right and is insulting but isnt allowed. Why?

Flag burning and the images associated with it are protected under the first ammendment of our constitution. Although calling someone a <insert insult> may also be protected by that same ammendment it is a direct insult when applied to a person or persons specifically. Direct Personal insults are not allowed here. Simply posting a picture of a burning flag is not a direct insult. Therefore direct personal insults are NG around here and pictures of a burning flag are ok.

[watzitoou]

Its been 18 pages already almost as long as last night's drama... its time to have some beer to enjoy this boring thread.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/yosquiddy/worthless3.gif

[DougP]

Lastly folks, please can we have some peace in this thread.. I'm behind on my beer intake.:D

[DougP]

Its been 18 pages already almost as long as last night's drama... its time to have some beer to enjoy this boring thread.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/yosquiddy/worthless3.gif

I've always loved that smilie:first:

[P_chan]

Lastly folks, please can we have some peace in this thread.. I'm behind on my beer intake.:D

I agree with this. We do need some peace in this thread.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Indeed Doug. Though it was not necessary, I explained my reason for using the avatar several times. It's Okinawa related, historical, relevant to the present, and punctuates the current local vibe. No individual or group is some sort of target for insult.

[Fonze]

just like mine were used to explain the reasons of your post and anger towards Americans.

[YankeeGrl79]

Flag burning and the images associated with it are protected under the first ammendment of our constitution. Although calling someone a <insert insult> may also be protected by that same ammendment it is a direct insult when applied to a person or persons specifically. Direct Personal insults are not allowed here. Simply posting a picture of a burning flag is not a direct insult. Therefore direct personal insults are NG around here and pictures of a burning flag are ok.


So you dont think most Americans are personally insulted by a picture of our flag burning?


These are your rules

Do not post pornographic or obscene messages. We are open to giving you as much freedom on our website as possible, but if you feel the need to swear up a storm or post pornographic images for all the world to appreciate, your messages will be deleted without explanation and your account will be banned from the forums. If you seriously have a question regarding if a picture/message is considered pornographic or obscene, send a private message to one of the moderators or administrators. No, that is not an open invitation for you to send us porn.
Be considerate to people who read at work. If you are linking to an image, story, or video that might not be safe for somebody to watch at work, be considerate and write "NSFW" or "Not Safe For Work" next to the link.


The US flag being burned is a obscene picture to most Americans.

And only to add to that.

Flag burning "is obscene, painful and unpatriotic," Sen. Daniel K. Inouye (D-Hawaii)
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062701056_pf.html

So Im not the only American that thinks so. Can it be removed now as per the rules of this forum?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

YG79, I am not burning, and have not burned an American flag. I am displaying a photo where a local here, or imported protester, burned a US flag at a huge anti-base rally back in 1995 after the rape and beating of a 12-year-old Okinawan elementary school student by two US marines and a sailor. Perhaps this could serve to encourage you to study up a bit on the local history, and the relations between the US military and local people.

[YankeeGrl79]

YG79, I am not burning, and have not burned an American flag. I am displaying a photo where a local here, or imported protester, burned a US flag at a huge anti-base rally back in 1995 after the rape and beating of a 12-year-old Okinawan elementary school student by two US marines and a sailor. Perhaps this could serve to encourage you to study up a bit on the local history, and the relations between the US military and local people.

Its a insulting picture and according to the rules is not allowed. I have read up quite extensively on the story actually.

[DougP]

So you dont think most Americans are personally insulted by a picture of our flag burning?


These are your rules



The US flag being burned is a obscene picture to most Americans.

And only to add to that.


Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062701056_pf.html

So Im not the only American that thinks so. Can it be removed now as per the rules of this forum?

Seriously I agree with you on the fact that a picture of the flag being burned can be seen as obscene. I'm not doubting that for a second. And you're right that if a picture/message is considered pornographic or obscene it can be brought to our attention and considered for removal. But that does not rest soley on me or you.

The moderating team as a whole has to make a decision on that and it has to be oked by the admin of this forum. It has to be determined if the obscene nature of this photograph is so extreme that its removal will do more good than harm. By harm I mean the fact that removing such a picture would be in violation of someoe elses right to free speech and expression. Its a balancing act indeed. It is noted and you are not being ignored on this one.

I too, hate seeing the flag being burned. It resonates some strong emotions within me. I cannot however allow prejudice and personal preferences to trump others rights. It must be thought through before we as a moderating team can act.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Time to agree to disagree. I'd like to nominate this thread for closure. Perhaps it could be locked.

[YankeeGrl79]

Its obscene by more than just a few people. You guys go and remove little petty words, wheres free speech then?

[watzitoou]

Its a insulting picture and according to the rules is not allowed. I have read up quite extensively on the story actually.

Have you noticed there are 625 members on JU, you are the only one who says its an insulting picture.

[YankeeGrl79]

Time to agree to disagree. I'd like to nominate this thread for closure. Perhaps it could be locked.

Yeah quick lock it because his picture should be REMOVED according to the rules. It is obscene, A member of the Hawaii state GOVT agrees. Im sure I can find more links where flag burning is considered obscene.

[YankeeGrl79]

Have you noticed there are 625 members on JU, you are the only one who says its an insulting picture.


Actually Im not thee only one that has said it, I bet I can pull 5 atleast

[DougP]

closed until further notice. I see no need to keep this one open any longer. If another mod wants to they can reopen it if need be.