So what do you think about bestiality?

[Boost]

I was just thinking about off the wall topics and this one came to mind.

What do you guys think about interspecies "relations". I mean as it has been pointed out several time by TP, we are only genetically separated from primates by a couple of chromosomes, so why shouldn't people be able to "mate" with them as well?

Your thoughts?

[TheNoNamedOne]

Those who have sex with animals should be prosecuted and sent to jail.

AR rests on the respect principle, and beings of lower cognitive ability, perhaps at the level of a 6 yr-old, or perhaps slightly higher for some primates, should not be targeted by those who would use them for utility. Due to their vulnerability, just as children are vulnerable, they are to be protected from sexual predation by perverts.

ARists have always been the first to flood prosecutors' and judges' offices with mail and calls to demand those caught engaging in bestiality be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[Boost]

Good reply TP, I would agree even with not being an ARist per-se.

While this topic came up as a joke, the sad truth of the matter is there are some who view animals as an alternative to getting the jollies off, which is down right nasty to say the least. I believe ppl like this would qualify for the mandatory sterilization at the minimum and locked away from society at the maximum!

[TheNoNamedOne]

... the sad truth of the matter is there are some who view animals as an alternative to getting the jollies off ...

Yeah, well, those people are not ARists. They are on the side of animal exploiters who view animals for utility at the expense of animals for their own pleasure and profit. I am not so hung up on the whole sex thing, as sick as it is (because I do not view sex as a moral issue), but on the utility of vulnerable beings. But, I am sure a pig would rather be screwed than killed and eaten.

Any mother or father would first hope that their child is not killed by anyone who would take him or her, and then after that hope that they were not molested. A child can survive and bounce back from a molestation. They cannot do so from death. An animal, too, while they can be seriously injured from a sex act from a human on them, they can survive it and recover. Death is always the worse fear of all by those who are facing a targeted attack by someone, be that a rape or violence for some other nefarious motive.

If you ever get on an AR mailing list one will be privy to the action alerts alerting activists to contact prosecutors about bestiality cases, where the sick details of the case are often relayed in clear form describing the internal and external injuries animals have received from vicious attacks.

[dk]

Yeah, well, those people are not ARists.
Apparently not (http://lists.envirolink.org/pipermail/ar-news/Week-of-Mon-20031222/014119.html).

"But sex with animals does not always involve cruelty," Singer then rationalizes. He mentions the oft-observed lascivious attention of a dog to visiting guests. "The host usually discourages such activities, but in private not everyone objects to being used by her or his dog in this way, and occasionally mutually satisfying activities may develop."
AR Activist and Princeton Professor Peter Singer

And more (http://ingridnewkirksucks.com/?p=3).

While he came under heavy fire for his comments, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk not only defended Singer, but also bestiality. “If a girl gets sexual pleasure from riding a horse, does the horse suffer? If not, who cares? If you French kiss your dog and he or she thinks it’s great, is it wrong? We believe all exploitation and abuse is wrong…If it isn’t exploitation and abuse, it may not be wrong.”

Unfortunately, it's difficult to say how credible either of these sites are. TP will have to tell us if these are in fact Ingrid's words if he wants.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I am not sure how credible the site is. Even one of the links to the source they quote from takes us to a dead page.

However, it is interesting to note Peter Singer's role in the AR movement. It is true he did spark the modern AR Movement in 1971/72 with the publication of his book "Animal Liberation," however, Mr. Singer is a Utilitarian philosopher, which allows for use of animals if the interests of all those are added up nonprejudicialy and then the greater good is chosen.

Mr. Singer himself has also stated he is not an Animal Rightist, though many because of his work at sparking the Movement, mistakenly views him as such.

Now, as for Ingrid's point, which I cannot see in the full context in which she was quoted, explains:

PETA president Ingrid Newkirk said
of the piece, "It's daring and honest and it does not do what some people
read into it, which is condone any violent acts involving an animal, sexual or otherwise."

Like I said, I have not read either of the pieces in full, but as I also pointed out, Peter Singer is not an ARist, but a Utilitarian Philosopher, and that AR philosophy does not say that animals have the ability to consent to being utilized because they cannot understand the purpose or motive of the other in the relationship.

[P_chan]

Having sex with animals is just pathetic.

Makes me wonder about a person's mental state if the seek out sexual relations with animals.

[dk]

Oh come on P_chan. It's good enough for the godfather of the modern AR movement.

[P_chan]

Exactly! It's pathetic, just like a said. Anyone who thinks it's "ok" is also pathetic.

[Muku]

Having sex with animals is just pathetic.

Makes me wonder about a person's mental state if the seek out sexual relations with animals.

I agree with you, P, think of the poor sheep:rolleyes:

http://ajayswebcams.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/sheep_shagger1.jpg

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Heavy Petting: An Essay on the Morality & Incidence of Animal Sex by Peter Singer


'Not so long ago, any form of sexuality not leading to the conception of children was seen as, at best, wanton lust, or worse, a perversion. One by one, the taboos have fallen. ... But not every taboo has crumbled. Heard anyone chatting at parties lately about how good it is having sex with their dog? Probably not. Sex with animals is still definitely taboo.

If Midas Dekkers, author of Dearest Pet, has got it right, this is not because of its rarity. Dekkers, a Dutch biologist and popular naturalist, has assembled a substantial body of evidence to show that humans have often thought of "love for animals" in ways that go beyond a pat and a hug, or a proper concern for the welfare of members of other species. His book has a wide range of illustrations from different periods of human history.

How much of this is fantasy, the King Kong-ish archetypes of an earlier age? In the 1940s, Kinsey asked twenty thousand Americans about their sexual behavior, and found that 8 percent of males and 3.5 percent of females stated that they had, at some time, had a sexual encounter with an animal. Among men living in rural areas, the figure shot up to 50 percent. Based on twentieth-century court records in Austria where bestiality was regularly prosecuted, rural men are most likely to have vaginal intercourse with cows and calves, less frequently with mares, foals and goats and only rarely with sheep or pigs.

Women having sex with bulls or rams, on the other hand, seems to be more a matter of myth than reality. For three-quarters of the women who told Kinsey that they had had sexual contact with an animal, the animal involved was a dog, and actual sexual intercourse was rare. More commonly the woman limited themselves to touching and masturbating the animal, or having their genitals licked by it.

Sex with animals does not always involve cruelty. Who has not been at a social occasion disrupted by the household dog gripping the legs of a visitor and vigorously rubbing its penis against them? The host usually discourages such activities, but in private not everyone objects to being used by her or his dog in this way, and occasionally mutually satisfying activities may develop.'
http://www.nerve.com/Opinions/Singer/heavyPetting/

Perhaps some context would be helpful for y'all.

[hankypanky]

save the dog, have sex with a midget.

[Sex Wax]

dk likes the Llamas.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o169/AshMiller1972/dkllamalove.jpg

[Blues]

I wonder how often people getting raped by animals gets unreported (like in americas funniest home videos.) lol.