Who agrees with my proposal for all veterans

[Tony Stacks]

I think it should be all service members get an ID card for the rest of their lives whether they did 4 years or 20.

Everyone who served should get an ID card.

Thoughts.....

[hankypanky]

no, because i did 20 and think that is an incentive for those that want a id for life. if 4 years was all you needed, who the hell would stay around for 20? it's not the retirement. and when an ex-wife can get a third of that, all it ends up being is beer money. imho

[Tony Stacks]

it's not the retirement. and when an ex-wife can get a third of that, all it ends up being is beer money. imho


LMAO that's a good one

[Bones]

As posted by Hank&Rumi:

no, because i did 20 and think that is an incentive for those that want a id for life. if 4 years was all you needed, who the hell would stay around for 20? it's not the retirement. and when an ex-wife can get a third of that, all it ends up being is beer money. imho

I agree with Tony up to a point. If you do your 4 year duty without getting into trouble, then they should have access to base privileges for maybe up to a year, just to help out with adjusting to the civilian side of the house.

The thing that I don't agree with, is some jerk signing up gets himself in trouble, and still expects the same privileges for life, even tho he was kicked out.

A lifetime I.D. card, should only be reserved for those individuals who have completed their 20+ year commitment, with an "Honorable Discharge", or those who have incurred a disability in a "Combat Environment".

Just putting on the uniform for basic, and getting out after you can't handle the job that you have signed up for, doesn't warrant lifelong privileges.

Not pointing a finger at anybody out there. But those are my thoughts on the subject.

NBTP

[Tony Stacks]

Well actually after 4 years when you get out you get an ID card for another 4 years called IRR.

But I think it should be lifetime.

[Bones]

As posted by Tony Stacks:

Well actually after 4 years when you get out you get an ID card for another 4 years called IRR.

But I think it should be lifetime..

After 20, you could be recalled up to 10 years after retirement. Sometimes even later.

So please explain your reasoning behind that.

NBTP

[Tony Stacks]

As posted by Tony Stacks:

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After 20, you could be recalled up to 10 years after retirement. Sometimes even later.

So please explain your reasoning behind that.

NBTP


Why should'nt everyone that left on good terms get it?

[hankypanky]

are you or anyone else going to pay the taxes required to have the medical staff on hand to pay for all these id holders? or you just talking about px/commissary privies? please explain. if my ex wife was married to me for 20 years of active service, she too would get a id for life. if 15 years, she would get it for an additional 3-5 years, can't remember the exact. i think i get it in the pants enough for the former spouses act that is an automatic deduction of my pay to her for life for her time married to me in the service. Gov employees don't have the same rule. nor do i think any other gov or civ branch in the u.s. i thank the hairry patricia schoader(sp) for that, the lady from colorado. she also stopped dancing girls in the clubs on base.. anyone remember that?

so i guess if you want base privies, you need to get a gov job!

[Bones]

Just whom might you be addressing, Hank?

Has a lot to do with my response.:rolleyes:

NBTP

[Tony Stacks]

are you or anyone else going to pay the taxes required to have the medical staff on hand to pay for all these id holders? or you just talking about px/commissary privies? please explain.

so i guess if you want base privies, you need to get a gov job!


Under my plan 4 years would be px/commissary

Medical would still be 20 years plus or medically retired disabled vets.

[hankypanky]

Just whom might you be addressing, Hank?

Has a lot to do with my response.:rolleyes:

NBTP

tony, since he brought out the post. 4 years is a drop in the bucket, time that is. just don't think some people would think 4 years, other than combat vets is enough of sacrifice.

[Bones]

As posted by Hank&Rumi:

tony, since he brought out the post. 4 years is a drop in the bucket, time that is. just don't think some people would think 4 years, other than combat vets is enough of sacrifice..

Just curious Hank.

We seem to think alike.:cool:

NBTP

[DoctorP]

I would agree to 10 years Tony...just because to me 4 years is not much of a commitment. I mean an average person could join for 4 years, in a non combat mos, go to school in his/her off time and get a degree...then in addition have lifetime px/commissary privledges? Nah...make it 10 years...after 10, the military will have gotten a good return for their investment.

[Oxmix]

Oh man. As a draftee with 2 years does that mean I would only get bathroom privileges? :D

Regards

Ox

[hankypanky]

no, you get the privilige to clean them:D

[atb35]

are you or anyone else going to pay the taxes required to have the medical staff on hand to pay for all these id holders? or you just talking about px/commissary privies? please explain. if my ex wife was married to me for 20 years of active service, she too would get a id for life. if 15 years, she would get it for an additional 3-5 years, can't remember the exact. i think i get it in the pants enough for the former spouses act that is an automatic deduction of my pay to her for life for her time married to me in the service. Gov employees don't have the same rule. nor do i think any other gov or civ branch in the u.s. i thank the hairry patricia schoader(sp) for that, the lady from colorado. she also stopped dancing girls in the clubs on base.. anyone remember that?

so i guess if you want base privies, you need to get a gov job!

Im not really sure why you think civilians dont get screwed with spouses taking part of their income. Whenever you get married, ANYTHING you accrue while married is considered community property...which you are both entitled to. That is why our retirement pay is split, it is considered community property during your marriage. Soooo, if the spouse of the military member works and is paying into a retirement plan, the military member is entitled to that as well....

But back to the subject, I dont think people with four years of service should get a card for life. As stated, that is an incentive to stay 20.

[Fonze]

Just a question. How long after a 4 year stint do you keep the ID/preveliges for?

[Tony Stacks]

Just a question. How long after a 4 year stint do you keep the ID/preveliges for?


between 2 to 4 years

[DougP]

between 2 to 4 years

Really??? After ten years of service once I was out the door that was it. I had to be signed on to base and to the PX after that. And I wasn't technically able to buy anything from those establishments. It wasn't until recently when I got another SOFA job they welcomed me back with open arms so to speak.:thumbdown:

[hankypanky]

Im not really sure why you think civilians dont get screwed with spouses taking part of their income. Whenever you get married, ANYTHING you accrue while married is considered community property...which you are both entitled to. That is why our retirement pay is split, it is considered community property during your marriage. Soooo, if the spouse of the military member works and is paying into a retirement plan, the military member is entitled to that as well....

But back to the subject, I dont think people with four years of service should get a card for life. As stated, that is an incentive to stay 20.

well i understand that you understand. but the military is the only agency where it is automatic if the ex-spouse asks for it. and there is a set formula for it also. any other agency of the gov, the spouse has to ask and if she works, the member(or divorcee ) can fight it. plus you can go in later and request it to be stopped because she remarried, got a higher income ect. '

the only way military retire pay stops to the ex-wife is if one or the other DIES.:old:

[Tony Stacks]

Really??? After ten years of service once I was out the door that was it. I had to be signed on to base and to the PX after that. And I wasn't technically able to buy anything from those establishments. It wasn't until recently when I got another SOFA job they welcomed me back with open arms so to speak.:thumbdown:


That's why cuz u did 10 years so you had no obligated time left.
When you 1st join your contract is for either 6 or 8 years. 4 years active and the rest as a civillian with an ID card aka IRR which means you could be called back but that is easy to avoid simply by not answering their phone calls.

[Tony Stacks]

well i understand that you understand. but the military is the only agency where it is automatic if the ex-spouse asks for it. and there is a set formula for it also. any other agency of the gov, the spouse has to ask and if she works, the member(or divorcee ) can fight it. plus you can go in later and request it to be stopped because she remarried, got a higher income ect. '

the only way military retire pay stops to the ex-wife is if one or the other DIES.:old:


Wow that's ****** up. So you're telling me if you were to get divorced during your 1st enlistment and no kids or anything and no contact after that 16 years later at retirement the ex can get money out of you?

[atb35]

Wow that's ****** up. So you're telling me if you were to get divorced during your 1st enlistment and no kids or anything and no contact after that 16 years later at retirement the ex can get money out of you?

For every day that you are married while you are in the military, you are earning a retirement. Your spouse is entitled to it when you retire, even if they remarry. In the case of the four year person, the amount would be so minimal, it would cost more to fight for it on the spouses part then they would get.....

This is one thing that really pisses me off about the military though, like H&R stated, with the military, it is automatic....which is BS. I can understand if a woman spends 20 years with a man in while he is in the military, then he kicks her to the curb for a younger hottie.....but not all cases are like that. What about all the guys with westpac widows? Do the deserve to get a % of their retirement taken because their wife was a slut? (works for women in the military married to male civilians, but that isnt very common).

[hankypanky]

Wow that's ****** up. So you're telling me if you were to get divorced during your 1st enlistment and no kids or anything and no contact after that 16 years later at retirement the ex can get money out of you?


yes, a small percentage, but yes.

[hankypanky]

For every day that you are married while you are in the military, you are earning a retirement. Your spouse is entitled to it when you retire, even if they remarry. In the case of the four year person, the amount would be so minimal, it would cost more to fight for it on the spouses part then they would get.....

This is one thing that really pisses me off about the military though, like H&R stated, with the military, it is automatic....which is BS. I can understand if a woman spends 20 years with a man in while he is in the military, then he kicks her to the curb for a younger hottie.....but not all cases are like that. What about all the guys with westpac widows? Do the deserve to get a % of their retirement taken because their wife was a slut? (works for women in the military married to male civilians, but that isnt very common).

but atb35, there is no fight for it. they rate it, so if they ask the judge, which is congressionally mandated, they is no maybe, she gets it what ever percentage it is. mine was 14 years, 35%. hell i professional woman could marry 5-10 guys over 30 years and don't have to work for life!

[ryukyuboi]

What is the attraction of the ID card anyway? So you can get on a base and shop at the PX and not pay a sale's tax?

[hankypanky]

the only thing for me is gas. that's about all i go on base for.

[atb35]

but atb35, there is no fight for it. they rate it, so if they ask the judge, which is congressionally mandated, they is no maybe, she gets it what ever percentage it is. mine was 14 years, 35%. hell i professional woman could marry 5-10 guys over 30 years and don't have to work for life!

Yes, I know, that is why I stated that in my last post...citing that you mentioned it was automatic......

[Fonze]

I think personaly that an id and privileges should be for those who stay in 20+ or vets as an incentive. My wife says you should get them in the states but not overseas and thats because you decided to stay overseas the govt never told you to stay here. only if your retired you should get them here. Im not mil so I dont know how a former mil feels.

[Tony Stacks]

I think personaly that an id and privileges should be for those who stay in 20+ or vets as an incentive. My wife says you should get them in the states but not overseas and thats because you decided to stay overseas the govt never told you to stay here. only if your retired you should get them here. Im not mil so I dont know how a former mil feels.

Well im former mil and i think we should all get it.
jmo though

My wife says you should get them in the states but not overseas and thats because you decided to stay overseas the govt never told you to stay here. quote=Fonze;60260]

what does this mean?

[hankypanky]

[QUOTE=Tony Stacks;60261]Well im former mil and i think we should all get it.
jmo though



Well tony, i think i should be entitled to free money from the bank. they just won't give it too me!?:D

[Tony Stacks]

[QUOTE=Tony Stacks;60261]Well im former mil and i think we should all get it.
jmo though



Well tony, i think i should be entitled to free money from the bank. they just won't give it too me!?:D


Ik that's why I said I think. I think your idea of getting free money from the bank is great. Where can I sign up?:D:D

[Fonze]

Well im former mil and i think we should all get it.
jmo though

My wife says you should get them in the states but not overseas and thats because you decided to stay overseas the govt never told you to stay here. quote=Fonze;60260]

what does this mean?

I told her that makes no sense that someone in the states should get it but not overseas and she says that neither should so that was my bad. She said it's an incentive for staying in and retireing. She said maybe 10years would be ok but not any less. So meaning that just cause you were stationed here doesn't mean the gov't told you to stay here.


What she meant by the the you stayed overseas comment and i feel this way to is. You want this ID for benefits like gas and cheaper food and other perks, well then you shouldn't have stayed overseas if you couldn't live on the local economy on your own. I know there are many here that have and dont use the base for anything and im not saying you are one either tonystacks.

[Oki alumni]

I told her that makes no sense that someone in the states should get it but not overseas and she says that neither should so that was my bad. She said it's an incentive for staying in and retireing. She said maybe 10years would be ok but not any less. So meaning that just cause you were stationed here doesn't mean the gov't told you to stay here.


What she meant by the the you stayed overseas comment and i feel this way to is. You want this ID for benefits like gas and cheaper food and other perks, well then you shouldn't have stayed overseas if you couldn't live on the local economy on your own. I know there are many here that have and dont use the base for anything and im not saying you are one either tonystacks.

Oh Gawd, here we go again...but this time on the southern end of the island. NOBODY FORCED dependents to be here either!

(just a casual observation from...)

-Oki Alumni:old::grin1:

[Oki alumni]

Wow that's ****** up. So you're telling me if you were to get divorced during your 1st enlistment and no kids or anything and no contact after that 16 years later at retirement the ex can get money out of you?

welllllll, almost but not quite. IF the ex remarries, it'll stop then TOO. The marriage must have lasted at LEAST 10 years while the member was in the military. There are "fine tuned" in's and out's, and things might have changed.

-Oki Alumni:old: