Off topic debate on rudeness from: "Looking for home schooling" thread

[lewisfive]

It is our firm belief that children belong to their parents and not the government. That is the main issue for our family. That said, it really isn't anyone's business why, nor how, for that matter, we homeschool. We simply, by right, choose not to surrender them to government schools.
While I can appreciate everyone's views on this topic, I was really looking for a homeschool support group on the island. Anyone? anyone? anyone?


p.s. my seven year old h/s-ed child can spell "representative", or at the very least, identify the little red lines under misspelled words in any browser editor.

well not really trying to start an argument here. Just stateing what I have seen. And per a guy at work, DODDS has a represitive that you can contact about homeschooling on okinawa.

[ryukyuboi]

They are probably not interested in the link that includes the military or DoDEA. Those agencies are government!

[Tony Stacks]

It is our firm belief that children belong to their parents and not the government. That is the main issue for our family. That said, it really isn't anyone's business why, nor how, for that matter, we homeschool. We simply, by right, choose not to surrender them to government schools.
While I can appreciate everyone's views on this topic, I was really looking for a homeschool support group on the island. Anyone? anyone? anyone?


p.s. my seven year old h/s-ed child can spell "representative", or at the very least, identify the little red lines under misspelled words in any browser editor.


Wow you are one rude person. How can you have the nerve to come here and post a thread and talk down to members that have been here a lot longer than you, been on Okinawa longer than you and know what they're talking about and just giving you their friendly point of view.

If you can't take what somebody says than you should'nt post!

I just can't get over how rude and ignorant you are.

FYI spell check does'nt always work.

P.S. I think this island will be better off without you!

[vvloc]

This woman initiated the post. She asked for information about home-schooling. Then, some tried to take issue with whether home schooling was appropriate. I don't think she was even nearly as rude, nor ignorant as your post is.

She believes in homeschooling - she hardly needs be lectured by you about how long some have been in Okinawa.

Do spell checkers catch does'nt and should'nt or do you just like speaking your own language?

Wow you are one rude person. How can you have the nerve to come here and post a thread and talk down to members that have been here a lot longer than you, been on Okinawa longer than you and know what they're talking about and just giving you their friendly point of view.

If you can't take what somebody says than you should'nt post!

I just can't get over how rude and ignorant you are.

FYI spell check does'nt always work.

P.S. I think this island will be better off without you!

[Tony Stacks]

This woman initiated the post. She asked for information about home-schooling. Then, some tried to take issue with whether home schooling was appropriate. I don't think she was even nearly as rude, nor ignorant as your post is.

Do spell checkers catch does'nt and should'nt or do you just like speaking your own language?


Spell check does NOT work on my computer.

I am moderating myself. I just broke the rules so I'll save the mods the trouble.

[vvloc]

Note, those that are unable to argue their points in English often resort to invective, but let's not forget, tony is "one of the good guys.


Spell check does NOT work on my computer.

I apologize to DK and the Mods and other members for what I am about to do and I'm sure I'm gonna hear about it but I have to

U are a ******* asshat huh? ******* piece of shit **** YOU!

[Tony Stacks]

Note, those that are unable to argue their points in English often resort to invective, but let's not forget, tony is "one of the good guys.


I am one of the good guys. For your information the swears I used are in English. Invective is not a language and your satire and sarcasm is a joke. You are about as bad as Tom Joiner.

I am a member in good standing and have NEVER had a problem and or warning about anything.

I have never been angry like this at anyone but you just pissed me off!

[vvloc]

Hey tony (one of the good guys) thanks for clueing me in that invective is not a language - have you ever taken a dookie that you did'nt want to take?


I am one of the good guys. For your information the swears I used are in English. Invective is not a language and your satire and sarcasm is a joke. You are about as bad as Tom Joiner.

I am a member in good standing and have NEVER had a problem and or warning about anything.

I have never been angry like this at anyone but you just pissed me off!

[Tony Stacks]

Hey tony thanks for clueing me in that invective is not a language - have you ever taken a dookie that you did'nt want to take?


Yup but a dookie the dookie wants to take.

You know what I'm sorry maybe I was a little extreme. I'm actually already in a bad mood and snapped at you.

That dookie post was funny though was'nt it?

[vvloc]

Yup but a dookie the dookie wants to take.

You know what I'm sorry maybe I was a little extreme. I'm actually already in a bad mood and snapped at you.

That dookie post was funny though was'nt it?

No, tony, the dookie post was not funny, nor was it funny the nasty way you insulted the woman who started this thread who was simply looking for information.

[Tony Stacks]

No, tony, the dookie post was not funny, nor was it funny the nasty way you insulted the woman who started this thread who was simply looking for information.


I was not insulting. She was being snotty to other members and that's why brought it up. I was'nt insulting I was just direct.

[vvloc]

No, tony, she wasn't being snotty to other members - she started the thread searching for info on home schooling, NOT to have others lecture her about whether home schooling was appropriate or not.

"If you can't take what somebody says than you should'nt post!
I just can't get over how rude and ignorant you are I think this island will be better off without you!"

Did you say that? THOSE words are TOTALLY insulting.

I was not insulting. She was being snotty to other members and that's why brought it up. I was'nt insulting I was just direct.

[Tony Stacks]

No, tony, she wasn't being snotty to other members - she started the thread searching for info on home schooling, NOT to have others lecture her about whether home schooling was appropriate or not.

"If you can't take what somebody says than you should'nt post!
I just can't get over how rude and ignorant you are I think this island will be better off without you!"

Did you say that? THOSE words are TOTALLY insulting.


Yes I did and that is NOT insulting. Now apologized for my post to you because that was insulting and uncalled for the way I snapped at you but my OP was NOT insluting!

[TheNoNamedOne]

Spell check does NOT work on my computer.

I am moderating myself. I just broke the rules so I'll save the mods the trouble.

Tony, I know you erased it, but having posted it, that is a clear violation of the rules. Please do not do that again. Thank you. -- TP

[vvloc]

So I take it, your position is that calling someone ignorant is not insulting! You really do need a dictionary and for more than just your convoluted contractions.


Yes I did and that is NOT insulting. Now apologized for my post to you because that was insulting and uncalled for the way I snapped at you but my OP was NOT insluting!

[Tony Stacks]

Tony, I know you erased it, but having posted that is a clear violation of the rules. Please do not do that again. Thank you. -- TP


No problem. Sorry about that.

[Tony Stacks]

So I take it, your position is that calling someone ignorant is not insulting! You really do need a dictionary and for more than your convoluted contractions.


No it is not. It is an observation.

[vvloc]

So if I told you that i thought someone who invited a bunch of American guys to a male stripper club, then came back and told them it was not for Americans, and then came back and told them it was not a stripper club - if I said that person was ignorant, would that be an observation or an insult?


No it is not. It is an observation.

[Tony Stacks]

So if I told you that i thought someone who invited a bunch of American guys to a male stripper club, then came back and told them it was not for Americans, and then came back and told them it was not a stripper club - if I said that person was ignorant, would that be an observation or an insult?


I would understand why you would say that and the explain myself.

The reason for that is because higher management was changing their minds so I was reposting as the information unfolded.

Nice try though I'll give you an A for effort. This is fun! Thanks

[vvloc]

But, tony, you didn't answer the question, if someone called you ignorant would it be an observation or an insult?


I would understand why you would say that and the explain myself.

The reason for that is because higher management was changing their minds so I was reposting as the information unfolded.

Nice try though I'll give you an A for effort. This is fun! Thanks

[Tony Stacks]

I did anser the question.

Here's the answer:
Originally Posted by Tony Stacks
I would understand why you would say that and the explain myself.

The reason for that is because higher management was changing their minds so I was reposting as the information unfolded.

Nice try though I'll give you an A for effort. This is fun! Thanks

So that's an answer. Is it or is it not an answer?

[vvloc]

No, tony it is NOT an anser, to MY question - maybe it is an answer to some question YOU wish were posed.

Perhaps, you don't understand the question. The question is: IF someone called you ignorant for THAT set of circumstances, would it be an observation or an insult.


I did anser the question.

Here's the answer:
Originally Posted by Tony Stacks
I would understand why you would say that and the explain myself.

The reason for that is because higher management was changing their minds so I was reposting as the information unfolded.

Nice try though I'll give you an A for effort. This is fun! Thanks

So that's an answer. Is it or is it not an answer?

[vvloc]

AND, what does this mean?

"I would understand why you would say that and the explain myself."

[Tony Stacks]

AND, what does this mean?

"I would understand why you would say that and the explain myself."


1st of all you know damn well that when I types anser it was a typo.
2nd of all that means I would understand why you would say I was ignorant and would explain myself and clear up the confusion.

[vvloc]

So for the third time, the question is, would it be an insult or an observation?

[Tony Stacks]

Okay this is NOT an answer to that question??????????????


No it is not. It is an observation.


:cursing::cursing::cursing::cursing::cursing:

[vvloc]

If someone said, "Honestly I don't correct anybody for anything at anytime that does not personally effect me." and then entered a thread on home schooling to bash a women sincerely seeking information, would someone calling the person ignorant be making an observation or an insult?


Okay this is NOT an answer to that question??????????????





:cursing::cursing::cursing::cursing::cursing:

[Tony Stacks]

If someone said, "Honestly I don't correct anybody for anything at anytime that does not personally effect me." and then entered a thread on home schooling to bash a women sincerely seeking information, would someone calling the person ignorant be making an observation or an insult?

Making an observation for the 4th friggin time.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Tony, you just got
http://www.geocities.com/anothersonganddance/owned.jpg

[vvloc]

If someone says powdered coke is not a drug, and someone else calls that person ignorant, would it be an observation or an insult?

[Tony Stacks]

If someone says powdered coke is not a drug, and someone else calls that person ignorant, would it be an observation or an insult?

that is open to interpratation.

[vvloc]

No, tony, it is open to interpretation ONLY in your mind - there are codes and definitions.

And the question, which you still seem to have GREAT difficulty understanding is calling that person ignorant, would it be an observation or an insult?



that is open to interpratation.

[Tony Stacks]

No, tony, it is open to interpretation ONLY in your mind - there are codes and definitions.

And the question, which you still seem to have GREAT difficulty understanding is calling that person ignorant, would it be an observation or an insult?

For the 5th time.
OBSER FREAKING VATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cursing:

[vvloc]

So, if I were to say that anyone who couldn't see that would'nt, did'nt, etc. are not words, and that only one person in these forums (or anywhere else that I've been, for that matter) uses such - if I were to say that such a person is ignorant, you would consider that an observation?

[Tony Stacks]

So, if I were to say that anyone who couldn't see that would'nt, did'nt, etc. are not words, and that only one person in these forums (or anywhere else that I've been, for that matter) uses such - if I were to say that such a person is ignorant, you would consider that an observation?


Wow what does all this mean. I'll take a bite and say you are asking the same thing and my answer is OBSERVATION for the 6th time now.:thumbup1:

[Tony Stacks]

It is our firm belief that children belong to their parents and not the government. That is the main issue for our family. That said, it really isn't anyone's business why, nor how, for that matter, we homeschool. We simply, by right, choose not to surrender them to government schools.
While I can appreciate everyone's views on this topic, I was really looking for a homeschool support group on the island. Anyone? anyone? anyone?


p.s. my seven year old h/s-ed child can spell "representative", or at the very least, identify the little red lines under misspelled words in any browser editor.


So this was NOT rude? Is that what you are telling me?

[Muku]

Guys you mind answering me this one leeetle question here?

What the heck has any of this got to do with home school support groups here on island?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[vvloc]

It means that I've made 6 valid observations, MUCH more valid than yours insulting the woman by calling her rude and ignorant in a topic that "personally does not" Affect you.

Case closed.

[Tony Stacks]

Guys you mind answering me this one leeetle question here?

What the heck has any of this got to do with home school support groups here on island?:rolleyes::rolleyes:


Nothing. I think the lady was rude. I called her out and then this VV dudes been busting my balls over this for hours.

[Tony Stacks]

It means that I've made 6 valid observations, MUCH more valid than yours insulting the woman by calling her rude and ignorant in a topic that "personally does not" Affect you.

Case closed.


Well as a member of this forum I have the right to speak out against a post I think was wrong.

I would even stick up for you as well if someone was rude to you and they were in the wrong like that lady was.

[vvloc]

So this was NOT rude? Is that what you are telling me?

A. And what is it about her post that you consider rude?

B. I thought you said that you ONLY comment in threads that "effect" you directly.

C. You are the only person who has made the comment: "Actually 2 wrongs do make a right a lot of the time," so i guess that by your "standards" and your standards ONLY, it gave you the right to enter the thread for only one purpose and that was to to be rude to someone talking about something that does not affect you directly.

[Muku]

Nothing. I think the lady was rude. I called her out and then this VV dudes been busting my balls over this for hours.
Tony I'm sorry but I dont agree with you here about her being rude...



p.s. my seven year old h/s-ed child can spell "representative", or at the very least, identify the little red lines under misspelled words in any browser editor.

If you are refering to this line, well for a person who is unaccustomed to this board and the membership here it is kind of easy to see her point.

The rest is just a thread-jack.

[Tony Stacks]

A. And what is it about her post that you consider rude.

B. I thought you said that you ONLY comment in threads that "effect" you directly.

C. You are the only person who has made the comment: "Actually 2 wrongs do make a right a lot of the time," so i guess that by your "standards" and your standards ONLY, it gave you the right to enter the thread for only one purpose and that was to to be rude to someone talking about something that does not affect you directly.


I'm a realist.

[Tony Stacks]

Tony I'm sorry but I dont agree with you here about her being rude...




If you are refering to this line, well for a person who is unaccustomed to this board and the membership here it is kind of easy to see her point.

The rest is just a thread-jack.

Come on Muku back me up here uk i'm right

[vvloc]

Yeah, you're a realist tony - you're also a good guy, a group in which you have included Che, bush, rush, ron paul, Clinton, and yourself. - VERY strange bedfellows I'd say.

[Muku]

Come on Muku back me up here uk i'm right
I dont know why you replied to her the way you did though, I mean really all she was asking for is information about Home Schooling support here in Okinawa.

[Tony Stacks]

Yeah, you're a realist tony - you're also a good guy, a group in which you have included Che, bush, rush, ron paul, Clinton, and yourself. - VERY strange bedfellows I'd say.

Actually I hate Clinton.

[vvloc]

But you called him a good guy? Hmmm, I think someone is ignorant of the things they say.

[Tony Stacks]

But you called him a good guy? Hmmm, I think someone is ignorant of the things they say.

I thought you were talking about Hillary. Bill is a good guy but as a president I do hate him he sucked.

[vvloc]

I thought you were talking about Hillary. Bill is a good guy but as a president I do hate him he sucked.

tony, I think you've done an excellent job proving many points on ignorance and people who TOTALLY contradict themselves. Thanks for helping me, and I'm glad, as you said, that you enjoyed it.

[Tony Stacks]

tony, I think you've done an excellent job proving many points on ignorance and people who TOTALLY contradict themselves. Thanks for helping me, and I'm glad, as you said, that you enjoyed it.


Glad you had a good time I'm having an outstanding time. Thank You seriously.

[vvloc]

You are more than welcome - the pleasure has been all mine.

[Tony Stacks]

You are more than welcome - the pleasure has been all mine.

Same here. No hard feelings?

[okisteve]

I am just speaking from experience, not from a dictionary:

IMO it's OK to say someone is ignorant of the facts, or ignorant of some specific issue, etc. But to say someone is just ignorant, that's the same as calling someone a stupid idiot, another typical pointless slur that ignorant people toss around.

[FDokinawa]

wow.. im glad my misspelling (damn is that 2 s's or 3?.. mm no red lines under it.. so it must be 2.) of a word caused this my of a hassle. And to the chick that thinks home schooling is good.. let me know when you get to Okinawa and I'll give you a call and tell you what you can do with yourself.

And thanks Tony.. she did insult me. And for anyone that dosnt think so.. it was aimed at me and I felt insulted by it.. so what do I care what you think?

And I stand by my original statement that every home schooled(that I knew about) person that I have ever met that was "not normal". Example: had an army guy that used to work here that was home schooled, he was banned from using our classifed message system because he couldnt grasp social interaction concepts.. same thing with the phones. He also tried to take a tool box and a hatchet on a AMC flight(pre-9/11) and then proceeded to yell at an E-7 that he was allowed to bring this stuff on the plane with him. Last I heard he got kicked out of the army. And every other home schooled army person that I have meet has pretty much been the same.. mabey not as extream but damn near.

represi.. who the F*** cares!

[okisteve]

I thought you were talking about Hillary. Bill is a good guy but as a president I do hate him he sucked.

You're a good guy too Tony, but you got something backasswards here!!!

[Tempestuous]

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And I stand by my original statement that every home schooled(that I knew about) person that I have ever met that was "not normal". Example: had an army guy that used to work here that was home schooled, he was banned from using our classifed message system because he couldnt grasp social interaction concepts.. same thing with the phones. He also tried to take a tool box and a hatchet on a AMC flight(pre-9/11) and then proceeded to yell at an E-7 that he was allowed to bring this stuff on the plane with him. Last I heard he got kicked out of the army. And every other home schooled army person that I have meet has pretty much been the same.. mabey not as extream but damn near.



So is the REAL issue that he (they) were home schooled or that they were in the Army? :D

[Boost]

And I stand by my original statement that every home schooled(that I knew about) person that I have ever met that was "not normal".

I really think that these examples you have mentioned are the minority, not the majority. I have known plenty of home schooled kids that are perfectly normal, not to mention "normal" is a relative term. I also know there are plenty of "weird" kids my sons go to public school with, so what's their excuse?

As for the "socialization" people against home school like to bring up over and over again, that is why the majority of public schools allow home schooled children to participate in organized sports and clubs and is also why there are numerous home school groups out there. To satisfy the socialization needs.

There are still some quirky parents out there that like to isolate their children from the world, but I don't think that is the case for many who home school children. I think if you asked a number of parents why they home school their children, they would say it is so their children can obtain a higher quality of education through more one on one time. Let's face it, my sons in a class room with 25 - 30 other children is not going to get as much direct attention as they would if I were to home school them. And some children do have a harder time learning in a large group environment where they do not get very much individual instruction time.

[Muku]

And I stand by my original statement that every home schooled(that I knew about) person that I have ever met that was "not normal". Example: had an army guy that used to work here that was home schooled, he was banned from using our classifed message system because he couldnt grasp social interaction concepts.. same thing with the phones. He also tried to take a tool box and a hatchet on a AMC flight(pre-9/11) and then proceeded to yell at an E-7 that he was allowed to bring this stuff on the plane with him. Last I heard he got kicked out of the army. And every other home schooled army person that I have meet has pretty much been the same.. mabey not as extream but damn near.

What does this have to do with him being home schooled? From what it sounds like this guy had issues that go beyond just homeschooling and could have possibly been the reason he was homeschooled in the first place?

I wonder what you consider normal though, there are plenty of people out there that were educated "traditionally" and ended up on death row.

I think that homeschooling is a serious undertaking and I personally dont think that I could take on the responsibility of doing it myself. One of my nephews was homeschooled because his parents, my brother and his wife didnt like the options that they had at the time, he graduated from a major university with a degree in civil engineering and now is making a 6 figure income at a large engineering firm in Chicago.

One other nephew of mine was homeschooled because his parents religious beliefs, he got his Master's Degree at 22 and is now working at Microsoft in WA. He is married and has a child of his own, oh he also has a 6 figure income as well. Plus working at Microsoft involves a lot of team work and "people" skills.

So while they may be exceptions to the rule from your point of view, which btw imo is an over-generalization of all the people that get home-schooled in the first place, these are just two examples of successfull very social "normal" people that were home schooled.


Estimated Number of Homeschooled Students in the United States (http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2006/homeschool/estimated.asp)


Both the number and the proportion of students in the United States who were being homeschooled increased between 1999 and 2003. Approximately 1.1 million students (1,096,000) were being homeschooled in the United States in the spring of 2003, an increase from the estimated 850,000 students who were being homeschooled in the spring of 1999 (Bielick, Chandler, and Broughman 2001) (figure 1 and table 1). In addition, the percentage of the entire student population who were being homeschooled increased from 1.7 percent in 1999 to 2.2 percent in 2003 (table 2).




Sounds like an awful lot of "normal" people to me.

Just as an addition here....

I am not trying to debunk your idea that your experiences with people that were homeschooled were wrong, only that I think, in my opinion that is, is that your experiences created an image or generalization about "all" homeschooled children. I personally disagree with that, however I will agree with you that there probably are children that are homeschooled that are weak in "people" skills.

[FDokinawa]

I'll not argue that I am very possibly wrong.. and I never stated that all homeschooled kids were messed up. I stated that everyone that I have know about, meaning they told me or I asked, were a little messed up in the head and didnt know how to interact with other people.

And I will definatly not disagree that the U.S. public school system is seriously screwed up.. hell I went to it, and as someone politely pointed out I cant spell for s**t :D

And as for that, this is a relaxed forum, in my eyes, so im not overly worried about my spelling. so for her to make the remark that her kid could spell better then me really pissed me off.. and also, if you notice, I did try and help her as best as I could.

[DocTurtle]

What's wrong with DODDS schools? From what I have seen over here it is a very good school system.That was a fair question. I think it had just been this then there wouldn't have been a fight in the first place.

And so far every person that I have met that has been home schooled has had serious social issues. They dont know how to interact with other people correctly, they have no social skills, very few friends. Dont coddle your kids.. you're only hurting them. That is where I think this started to roll down him. I think if this was a "Home School vs Public School" thread it would have been fine. But seeing as it was a "Where can I get info for home schooling on Okinawa" thread...not so much a welcomed post. This can very easily be veiwed as saying they are stupid for wanting to home school and would be retarded to do so. No insite into helping with the OP question...just demeaning what they are asking. Which leads too...

It is our firm belief that children belong to their parents and not the government. That is the main issue for our family. That said, it really isn't anyone's business why, nor how, for that matter, we homeschool. We simply, by right, choose not to surrender them to government schools.
While I can appreciate everyone's views on this topic, I was really looking for a homeschool support group on the island. Anyone? anyone? anyone?This would have been fine...but since she felt insulted...and since we believe in eye for an eye...we get this..
p.s. my seven year old h/s-ed child can spell "representative", or at the very least, identify the little red lines under misspelled words in any browser editor.

Needed? No...but often rational thoughts rarely come into play when you insult someones teachings, children, or the way they choose to raise them. Which, whether you meant it or not, you did all three in just 3 sentences.. I don't have anything against you FD and I'm sure you didn't mean it like that, but you have to remember that it's always up in the readers interpetation and rarely do you get a second chance without a little mud getting thrown.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Much to my surprise, I find Muku to be the most reasonable in this particular discussion.

[DocTurtle]

Lol, that's getting quoted somewhere!

[FDokinawa]

Needed? No...but often rational thoughts rarely come into play when you insult someones teachings, children, or the way they choose to raise them. Which, whether you meant it or not, you did all three in just 3 sentences.. I don't have anything against you FD and I'm sure you didn't mean it like that, but you have to remember that it's always up in the readers interpetation and rarely do you get a second chance without a little mud getting thrown.

Nope... your interpetation of it was almost spot on. I think the majority of people that home school are right-wing conservitive religious nut jobs. They view the public school system as so flawed and messed that they cant have their kids going and slumming it with the rest of us. Or they want to protect their children from the all the negitive influences that they would recieve at a public school either due to moral or religious beliefs. So insted of trying to be more influential in the schools and trying to get things changed for the better they choose to segregate their childeren.

My dad is a teacher and I take as an insult that people would think that him and other teachers like him arnt good enough to teach their childeren. I will be the first to admit that Im not the smartest person out there, but I'd like to think that im doing pretty damn good for myself and my highschool only education..

I will promis you guys this, I wont say anything more to anyone specificly on here or direct my comments at anyone. But it dosnt mean that my views on homeschooling are anything but my own.

from wikipidia..
Statistically, the typical American homeschooling parents are white and married, home school their children primarily for religious or moral reasons, and are almost twice as likely to be Evangelical than the national average. They average three or more children, and typically the mother stays home to care for them

[DougP]

I'm going to google it anyway but maybe someone out there knows this already.
Do the parents that home school their children have to have a teaching degree?

On another note I'd have to say that from about 6th grade and on school seemed like an entire waste of time for me. It was nothing more than a 7 hour long socialization fest. Some of the teachers did actually teach but most of them just handed out assignments. Hell who needs a degree to actually hand out homework? I could go on and on about how much I despise the current state of the public school system but I'll save that for another thread.:)

[Muku]

My dad is a teacher and I take as an insult that people would think that him and other teachers like him arnt good enough to teach their childeren
You know this may be one of the reasons that people home school their children but from what I have seen so far it is more a statement against the curricullum used in schools that turn people off of traditional schooling and home school their kids.

I will promis you guys this, I wont say anything more to anyone specificly on here or direct my comments at anyone. But it dosnt mean that my views on homeschooling are anything but my own.

And I for one would like to thank you for sharing what you have here.

[farmgirl]

I thought you were talking about Hillary. Bill is a good guy but as a president I do hate him he sucked.

Hmm...I thought that was Monica