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Takako
01-11-2008, 02:44 PM
Was this really that big of a deal?

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Golf Channel anchor suspended for remark

By DOUG FERGUSON
AP Golf Writer

HONOLULU (AP) -- Golf Channel suspended anchor Kelly Tilghman for two weeks on Wednesday for saying last week that young players who wanted to challenge Tiger Woods should "lynch him in a back alley."

Tilghman was laughing during the exchange Friday with analyst Nick Faldo at the Mercedes-Benz Championship, and Woods' agent at IMG said he didn't think there was any ill intent.

But the comments became prevalent on news shows Wednesday, and the Rev. Al Sharpton joined the fray by demanding she be fired immediately. Golf Channel didn't know who would replace Tilghman in the booth this week at the Sony Open or next week at the Bob Hope Chrysler Classic.

"There is simply no place on our network for offensive language like this," Golf Channel said in a statement.

Tilghman became golf's first female anchor last year when the PGA Tour signed a 15-year deal in which Golf Channel broadcasts the first three events of the year, weekday coverage of all tour events, and full coverage of the Fall Series and opposite-field events.

The suspension ends in time for the Buick Invitational on Jan. 24, when Woods will make his 2008 debut.

Faldo and Tilghman were discussing young players who could challenge the world's No. 1 player toward the end of Friday's broadcast at Kapalua when Faldo suggested that "to take Tiger on, maybe they should just gang up for a while."

"Lynch him in a back alley," Tilghman replied.

"While we believe that Kelly's choice of words was inadvertent and that she did not intend them in an offensive manner, the words were hurtful and grossly inappropriate," Golf Channel said in its statement. "Consequently, we have decided to suspend Kelly for two weeks, effective immediately."

Woods and Tilghman have known each other 12 years. She was picked to host a club demonstration with Woods in south Florida when he talked about new products from Nike Golf.

Tilghman was helped when Mark Steinberg, Woods' agent at IMG, said it was a non-issue and considered the matter "case closed."

"Tiger and Kelly are friends, and Tiger has a great deal of respect for Kelly," Steinberg said Tuesday night in a statement released by Golf Channel. "Regardless of the choice of words used, we know unequivocally that there was no ill-intent in her comments."

Tilghman had said in a previous statement she apologized directly to Woods, and the immediate support from Woods' camp was critical.

After Woods won the 1997 Masters at age 21 to become its youngest champion, Fuzzy Zoeller referred to him as "that little boy," and suggested that Woods not serve fried chicken or collard greens, "or whatever the hell they serve," at the Champions Dinner.

Woods, who had a different management team in his first full season, did not respond for three days to Zoeller's apology, and it took Zoeller years to recover from the fallout.

Tilghman's comment made the rounds Wednesday on TV shows such as CNN's Headline News, and it was prominently discussed on blogs and message boards on the Internet. It also was a topic on the practice range at the Sony Open.

"I'm sure Kelly wishes she never said that," Jim Furyk said. "I haven't spoken with Tiger, but I've been told that they've had their talk and they've discussed it. Anything I say is kind of just like pouring salt in the wound at this point. Obviously, she would love to not have said that and for it not to be news. I'm glad that her and Tiger spoke."

Fred Funk only heard about the comment Wednesday morning.

"There was no ill intent at all," he said. "I think it was just a slip, and they said that Tiger has already forgiven her. I think when you're in the TV tower for that many hours, you're going to wish you didn't say some things probably, and that was one thing that slipped out. I think you've got to give them a little grace.

"Her integrity, how Kelly is respected out here, is pretty good. I think Tiger really likes Kelly, so that helped squash it. Because Tiger could have run off with that if he took it the wrong way. But he didn't, so that was good."

Before her suspension was announced, Sharpton spoke earlier on CNN's "Prime News" and continued to push for her firing, saying he wanted to meet with Golf Channel because the comments were "an insult to all blacks."

"Lynching is not murder in general, it's not assault in general," Sharpton said. "It's a specific racial term that this women should be held accountable for. What she said is racist. Whether she's a racist ... is immaterial. She's a broadcaster. The channel has to be accountable to the public."

DocTurtle
01-11-2008, 02:51 PM
It was a rather off color joke to be saying on air. Tiger doesn't care she said it, she didn't mean anything bad by it, but it was perceived but others as hateful. Just have to be careful what you say in public. Just like when you tell an off color joke about a certain race, you often look around to make sure non of them are around? Ya know?

DougP
01-12-2008, 02:02 PM
lynching is a racial term?? so is a noose... I guess saying rope might be considered racist in the not so distant future as well.But yeah poor choice of words on her part. Don't even think the comment was needed at all but racist? Come on.

InFaMoUs
01-12-2008, 02:11 PM
lynching is a racial term?? so is a noose... I guess saying rope might be considered racist in the not so distant future as well.But yeah poor choice of words on her part. Don't even think the comment was needed at all but racist? Come on.

Yeah it was a poor choice of words. But everytime something like this happens people like Al Sharpton always make it into a racial thing. Was she wrong to say it? Probably... Did she mean it in a racial way? Probably not.

okisteve
01-12-2008, 02:39 PM
DougP for the thick skin award 2008. Of course lynching is a race-related term. I'm guessing you are white though so you might be excused from thinking it is not.

Doug - I for one have no interest in repeating the thesaurus episode of the "gay" thread. I won't play this time.

Bones
01-12-2008, 06:53 PM
I'm guessing that it would be justified. On the other hand the two have known each other for some time. The remark might strike some folks as being insensitive, on the other hand I can see the humor in it.

New kid on the block, beating Tiger?

It's not impossible, but highly unlikely.

Perhaps it would have been more appropriate to say:

"Yeah, you have a better chance of beating him in one of his electronic games."

It may have been a joke, but the Golf Channel, has a reputation to protect.

NBTP

ja_Patriot
01-12-2008, 07:27 PM
Anyone with a little more than a passing interest in golf knows Kelly Tilghman and her utmost respect for the game and its players, espec. its living legend. She ain't no Rory Sabatini, if you know what I mean, Rev. Al. And Tiger ain't no Tawana.

DougP
01-12-2008, 08:04 PM
Perhaps it would have been more appropriate to say:

"Yeah, you have a better chance of beating him in one of his electronic games."

It may have been a joke, but the Golf Channel, has a reputation to protect.

NBTP

Ha ha Seeing how Tiger is half Thai that might offend the Asian community given the old stereotype of Asians and video games.:)

DougP
01-12-2008, 08:08 PM
DougP for the thick skin award 2008. Of course lynching is a race-related term. I'm guessing you are white though so you might be excused from thinking it is not.

Doug - I for one have no interest in repeating the thesaurus episode of the "gay" thread. I won't play this time.

Fair enough. I wonder if there are any other words out there or misc items that can no longer be displayed or said because of the emotional connection they might have to a particular group. I must say I am impressed by your ability to guess ones race merely from reading a post:rolleyes: But I must inform you that I am offended by the word white because of all the connections it has to negative events throughout history.:D Just as many I'd imagine if not more than lynching.. although the word white has managed to slip through the PC cracks.

DoctorP
01-12-2008, 11:45 PM
I missed this completely...did Tiger ever have any comment? I would think that if he had, then this would have been much bigger news. Tiger has a temper about him at times, and I believe that if he had taken offense to this then the whole world would know about it!

okisteve
01-13-2008, 12:03 AM
Fair enough. I wonder if there are any other words out there or misc items that can no longer be displayed or said because of the emotional connection they might have to a particular group. I must say I am impressed by your ability to guess ones race merely from reading a post:rolleyes: But I must inform you that I am offended by the word white because of all the connections it has to negative events throughout history.:D Just as many I'd imagine if not more than lynching.. although the word white has managed to slip through the PC cracks.

Absolutely right and I am ashamed. Didn't MH use the more PC "melanin-challenged" in a post?

Takako
01-13-2008, 06:12 PM
Do you think she would have used the same example if Tiger Woods was white?

Or did the color of his skin have something to do with her choice of words.

DougP
01-13-2008, 08:41 PM
Do you think she would have used the same example if Tiger Woods was white?

Or did the color of his skin have something to do with her choice of words.

Also a very good question. I also wonder if it would have been an issue if she said what she said about a white golfer?

okisteve
01-13-2008, 09:25 PM
Well, if you are following my line of argument, using the word "lynch" when threatening a white person would not have the same emotional weight as when using it in the context of a black person. Do you really need a history lesson?

Maybe you guys have been well trained in the military to honestly believe that race and ethnicity don't count, but in the real world it is still very much an issue and people can be sensitive to words that refer to them specifically.

Offhand, I can't think of a similar word that would be an affront to a white golfer. Any suggestions?

OK - I will agree that it might have been overblown, and if some ordinary dumb blonde had said it, big deal. But people in the media really should not be setting bad examples by careless speech.

Muku
01-13-2008, 09:36 PM
This comment is probably no better than a bunch of threads started here about crimminals, Jesus and Islam.

So should the person that started those threads here receive a two week ban because of being insensitive to the community that they are a part of? Knowing fully well that the nature of the topics was insensitive and boorish at best?

Think about that one please.....if people take offense at the word lynching being racist then read some of the threads here on this forum and tell me with a straight face that "lynching" is any worse than the subject matter in said threads here.

Oh I forgot it's because Tiger has a following of millions and has millions in the bank that makes the difference. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

okisteve
01-13-2008, 11:02 PM
What's your point, in direct words, Muku? Who got banned for 2 weeks and for what? Maybe I missed that. I thought you were a voluntary exile.

While you're in an interpreting frame of mind, what's the joke about goldfish turds?

Muku
01-13-2008, 11:11 PM
What's your point, in direct words, Muku? Who got banned for 2 weeks and for what? Maybe I missed that. I thought you were a voluntary exile.


Noone got banned here for two weeks, my comment was directed towards the OP, the anchor in question was;

Golf Channel suspended anchor Kelly Tilghman for two weeks on Wednesday for saying last week that young players who wanted to challenge Tiger Woods should "lynch him in a back alley."


My point is that for her comments she was relieved of her position for 2 weeks, yet in comparison to that what she said which in my opinion is much less offensive than some of the threads and comments made here by a "person of position" Should they not be removed from their "positon" for making statements and comments that are more offensive?

Just an observation about what is currently considered PC and what isnt.

While you're in an interpreting frame of mind, what's the joke about goldfish turds?
That I am afraid is known to those that know and to those that dont I apologize......I am not going to elaborate any further. However if you know what that phrase means it should be fairly easy to figure out.:)

DoctorP
01-14-2008, 12:11 AM
I was listening to one of the sports shows today from the bay area. One of Tiger's agents from IMG came out and said this was all blown out of proportion and that the comments were not any big deal. Evidently Tiger isn't worried about it at all...but Al Sharpton has jumped in and fueled the fire for his own gain!

It's sad that society has gotten so damn touchy feely!

DougP
01-14-2008, 11:16 AM
Well, if you are following my line of argument, using the word "lynch" when threatening a white person would not have the same emotional weight as when using it in the context of a black person. Do you really need a history lesson?

Maybe you guys have been well trained in the military to honestly believe that race and ethnicity don't count, but in the real world it is still very much an issue and people can be sensitive to words that refer to them specifically.

Offhand, I can't think of a similar word that would be an affront to a white golfer. Any suggestions?

OK - I will agree that it might have been overblown, and if some ordinary dumb blonde had said it, big deal. But people in the media really should not be setting bad examples by careless speech.

We've been over this one enough, I can see your point of view on this as well. Thanks for the offer but no I do not need a history lesson.

I can say this in regards to your satement:
"Maybe you guys have been well trained in the military to honestly believe that race and ethnicity don't count, but in the real world it is still very much an issue and people can be sensitive to words that refer to them specifically."

You're right I have been conditioned to honestly believe that race does not matter. Not just from the military but from the beginning thanks to my parents. Race/color are nothing more than what our eyes allow us to see. The rest is what our minds get through conditioning by others, be it good or bad. To say that race does matter or that one race is entitled to more than another or deserves special treatment: IE whites deserve better jobs, is backwards thinking. Treating people of different races separately is racist!! If we continue to allow such thinking we can never move along as one race. The only race I recognize, that is the human race. Maybe I'm ignorant for thinking this way but I can't help it I suppose. To me we ARE all the same.

Muku
01-14-2008, 11:19 AM
Maybe I'm ignorant for thinking this way but I can't help it I suppose. To me we ARE all the same.

Doug I wouldnt be so harsh on yourself in saying this, to an extent maybe naive but not ignorant. :D

In that regard I think that many people including myself are the same as well.

okisteve
01-14-2008, 11:58 AM
Doug, you and I really should have a face-to-face some time because I often sense that we are not communicating accurately. I do believe you are free of prejudice, but I guess I don't get why you are seemingly a bit insensitive to the use of derogatory words. Are you thinking that people will naturally know that you don't intend any insult or harm?

That was a rhetorical question - I don't think you are naive in that sense. Maybe I just don't understand....

DougP
01-14-2008, 12:29 PM
A face-to-face is a wonderful idea. Its often hard for me to accurately express my thoughts on these matters. I may have thick skin and contrary to how I may come across am not insensitive towards others. I do realize that everyone, regardless of race, creed etc require different avenues of approach. I do wish that others would concentrate more on the context of words and not so much the words themselves. Much as in the case of this thread, a lot of headaches can be avoided. If we are to expect each other to be mindful of what we say and sensitive of others, we should also be understanding of the fact that we are all infact human and capable of mistakes.

Again, a good sit down/chat is a great idea. Perhaps the next JU meet or another venue that might foster productive conversation better.:D

okisteve
01-19-2008, 05:49 PM
Hey - this story still has legs! The publisher of Golfworld is now apologizing for putting a picture of a noose on last weeks edition along with a cover story on the original Tilghman episode. I just saw the fat fart publisher on CNN.

Kids - can you say: "Let's sell some magazines"?

The_Zach2681
01-24-2008, 10:22 AM
Sounds like a job for Chubbs Peterson.