Can't connect via motherboard connection

[DoctorP]

Ok...I have two machines that were given to me. They both worked great when I got them home. I did a fresh XP install on one and now I can't get on the internet.

On my network connections, it shows my ISP connection that I put in, and a 1394 LAN connection that showed up automatically. The second machine shows the same connections, but there is also a bridge connection. On the first machine I can not create a bridge between the LAN and my ISP connection. Anyone know what I am doing wrong?

The quick fix is to install a NIC card, but that wouldn't teach me what I have done wrong. I installed a NIC and it works fine, but I should be able to use the connection on the motherboard too...any help is appreciated.

[okisteve]

Basically what you are posting is a bit beyond me, but the word "bridge connection" rang a bell. I think there is a default in XP that sets a bridge in a way that screws up your LAn. You can google "XP bridge" and I think there are some network user sites (colleges) that explain how to fix your problem. I had the same problem one time I reinstalled my WLAN software.

[Bones]

The answer could be one of three things. You were in a hurry to make everything work, and you forgot to reset you network connections on the problem machine, to the specifications required by your ISP. I've done that more than once myself.:)

If a machine is given to you, there's probably no documentation. But if you contact the company that built the system, it could be something as simple as an updated driver issue.

The NIC chip on the motherboard, might be fried. So if everything works after installing an NIC card, why worry about it?

Could also be a problem with the cable.

The only other thing that I could think of, especially over here, is if you fail to go through the entire registration process with a new machine, as required by your ISP, or you've failed to modify your router protocols the recognize the new machine.

Time consuming perhaps, but most of the tips that I've listed are common mistakes that I've seen people make back in the states.

One person in our apartment complex back in the states, didn't feel like spending a few bucks on a water cooling system for his CPU. So he put a bag of ice in his computer, and wondered why it blew up.:thumbdown:

NBTP

[Mad Hatter]

I would do too things... Look at device manager and see if your NIC drivers are loaded correctly... it sounds like your NIC drivers didn't load or were corrupted when you did the fresh install of XP. It happened to me... pissed me off untill I check... I load the motherboard drivers again. Even if the drivers say that nothing is worng... I would find them first online, download them, and then reinstall them to be safe.

The other thing is the connections that you say have your ISP information. if you did a clean (formated) install, you shouldn't have the ISP connection in there. You would of had to set that connection back up. If at any case, I would just delete that connection and recreate it. It should take more than a couple minutes if you have all your ISP information. Let me know if this helpped

[Bones]

As posted by Mad Hatter:

I would do too things...

Oh, this is just two tempting.:D

NBTP

[Mad Hatter]

Thanks... really... now where's my gun? i think that I'll just end it all right now

[DoctorP]

I would do too things... Look at device manager and see if your NIC drivers are loaded correctly... it sounds like your NIC drivers didn't load or were corrupted when you did the fresh install of XP. It happened to me... pissed me off untill I check... I load the motherboard drivers again. Even if the drivers say that nothing is worng... I would find them first online, download them, and then reinstall them to be safe.

The other thing is the connections that you say have your ISP information. if you did a clean (formated) install, you shouldn't have the ISP connection in there. You would of had to set that connection back up. If at any case, I would just delete that connection and recreate it. It should take more than a couple minutes if you have all your ISP information. Let me know if this helpped

I tried reinstalling the drivers before I posted today. As for the ISP connection, I put that connection in myself after the fresh XP install. I will read up some more online tonight about it.

I may not understand it right, but this is what I gather from conversations with others. Since the connection is on the motherboard itself, the drivers needed to be reinstalled, which I believe that I did. I also think that there is a setting somewhere that I have forgotten.

The NIC card will work as soon as installed, problem fixed...but I want to understand how to do it using the motherboard connection. (so this is just a learning thing for me) When I read online, a lot of people get confused about the "1394 connection" and associate it with a firewire connection. The way I understand it is that the 1394 network controller is my LAN connection on the motherboard. In order for this to work, I have to bridge the connection (somehow) with the connection that I put in for my ISP. The problem is that I can not bridge a High speed LAN (the 1394) to my ISP connection.

When you say to look at my device manager...it shows a bunch of yellow question marks. This tells me that it is not recognizing the device. This also tells me that perhaps I did not install the correct driver or I forgot an additional driver.

[DoctorP]

The answer could be one of three things. You were in a hurry to make everything work, and you forgot to reset you network connections on the problem machine, to the specifications required by your ISP. I've done that more than once myself.:)

If a machine is given to you, there's probably no documentation. But if you contact the company that built the system, it could be something as simple as an updated driver issue.

The NIC chip on the motherboard, might be fried. So if everything works after installing an NIC card, why worry about it?

Could also be a problem with the cable.



I believe everything to be ok. When I first got the PC, I connected it to the internet to check it out. Everything worked. Then I did a fresh install of XP, right after talking to you last week.


The only other thing that I could think of, especially over here, is if you fail to go through the entire registration process with a new machine, as required by your ISP, or you've failed to modify your router protocols the recognize the new machine.

Time consuming perhaps, but most of the tips that I've listed are common mistakes that I've seen people make back in the states.

One person in our apartment complex back in the states, didn't feel like spending a few bucks on a water cooling system for his CPU. So he put a bag of ice in his computer, and wondered why it blew up.:thumbdown:

NBTP

This could be possible, but I still believe it is something that I missed on the motherboard. Gotta read up on this tonight.

[DoctorP]

Basically what you are posting is a bit beyond me, but the word "bridge connection" rang a bell. I think there is a default in XP that sets a bridge in a way that screws up your LAn. You can google "XP bridge" and I think there are some network user sites (colleges) that explain how to fix your problem. I had the same problem one time I reinstalled my WLAN software.

That is ok Steve...it is beyond me too! :D

[Mad Hatter]

When you say to look at my device manager...it shows a bunch of yellow question marks. This tells me that it is not recognizing the device. This also tells me that perhaps I did not install the correct driver or I forgot an additional driver.

Look no further then... when I do a fresh install, I have to look up the motherboard on the internet to get the drivers for it. It's a package deal. Since you are trying to connect to your "on board" NIC, you will need to load the drivers for your mother broad. That's why you have all those yellow question marks. I bet that they are all the "on board" device on the motherboard. You'll have to take the PC apart to see who the maker and model of the mother board. The maker normal has a website and the drivers are easy to find. www.download.com is another place. www.driverdownload.com if it's still up use to be a good place to.

as far as the connection... i see a few machines that have that connection on it... mine at work has it, but my one at home doesn't. It has nothing to do with any "bridging" or anything like that.

once you load the drivers for the mother board... you'll be good to go. The reason that the other NIC card works... I bet that the drivers are already packaged within Windows... plug and play... or you used the CD... that loaded the other drivers for the NIC. Now all you have to do is the same for the motherboard... Trust me, I just worked on a PC with the same problem... $40 bucks and 5 mins to download and load... I know you can do it, but if you need any help... send me the Maker and model of the mother board in a PM and I'll find them for ya. Best of Luck:D

[ststephen65]

yeah, drivers, drivers , drivers. you def need the CORRECT drivers.

you need to find the EXACT make/model of your mother board. go to their website and download the drivers....before you download the drivers make sure you remove any first...this many times will cause conflicts. it may also be a setting in your bios.
fisrt get the correct drivers. if the mother board website has some forums take a look in there to see what the best driver is. chances are you where givin a package computer/dell, compaq or something similar wich came with a recovery disk...wich are crap.

[mikersoft]

it may also be a setting in your bios.

:thumbup1:
I'm pretty sure I needed to make a bios change when I first attempted to use my 1394 connection.

-Mike

[Bones]

Well, I'm glad to hear that you got everything working Dr P.:D

So now that everything is set up, how do you like your new machine?

NBTP

[DoctorP]

Well, I'm glad to hear that you got everything working Dr P.:D

So now that everything is set up, how do you like your new machine?

NBTP

Still working out a few bugs NBTP...and I need to max out the memory!

[Bones]

As posted by Dr.P:

Still working out a few bugs NBTP...and I need to max out the memory!

What the heck does that mean? You're running XP-Pro right? Unless its the 64 bit version, the most that XP will recognize after SP-1, is 3.2 gig. The remainder will be used for device drivers.

If you're thinking that your system is going to start up faster, just because you have a newer processor, that ain't going to happen. If you want to speed things up, get rid of everything that you don't need in the start up sequence. Same goes for shutdown, but I'm pretty sure that you already know that.

Still an interesting answer, that just doesn't make sense to me.

NBTP

[okisteve]

I must have missed wherever you said what you did that fixed the problem, DrP. Was the problem drivers, ISP data, or what?

[DoctorP]

It is the drivers...still searching for the correct one, had no time this weekend, maybe Monday I can iron it out.

[Bones]

Still doesn't explain about why you need to max out the memory. Maybe I'm just dense.\:-)

NBTP

[DoctorP]

It is not that I NEED to do it...just that I WANT to do it. But wouldn't it help when doing tasks such as burning DVD's and working on editing? Or am I off base here?

[Mad Hatter]

I sent you the links to your drivers... hope it helps... http://usa.aopen.com/download.aspx

[DoctorP]

MH...the one you told me to get was wrong. I did get it working today though going through Techspot.com Connected through the motherboard and all!

Thanks a ton!

[Bones]

As posted by DoctorP:

It is not that I NEED to do it...just that I WANT to do it. But wouldn't it help when doing tasks such as burning DVD's and working on editing? Or am I off base here?

Not at all, if your using a memory intensive application like Adobe Photoshop, it could speed things up somewhat. Same if you're using Adobe Premiere CS3, for your video editing. Both programs use as much memory as they can sink their teeth into. If they run out of memory space, they create a "Scratch space (disc?))", on the hard drive. Adobe recommends that you place the scratch space, within a different partition, or even another hard drive, other than where the parent applications reside. Also, they recommend that if you assign your scratch space to a different hard drive, make sure that it's the fastest of the drives that are installed in your system, and defragment them regularly.

Will it help with the burning portion of it? Maybe, but if you think that you are going to save time burning your videos to dvd by adding more memory. I don't think so. Pretty much depends on the write speed of the burner that it's connected to, as well as the speed of the bus that it's connected to on your motherboard.

Also, the biggest noticeable speed improvement that I've seen with both XP/Vista, is bumping your memory up from 1 gig of ram to 2. After that, the improvement is so small, that you would have to run a benchmark program on it to see if any benefits could be gained at all.

You'd probably gain a lot more performance by cleaning out your registry using a free program called "ccleaner", getting rid of all the bloat-ware installed on the system, and going through the start up sequence and turning off any services that you don't use. Then defrag your drive, restart the system, and you'll be good to go.

NBTP

P.S.

Happy New Year to ALL!!!!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[DoctorP]

I'm not expecting faster burn times, but possibly less problems say if I were burning and surfing the web at the same time. I usually don't burn faster than 8x anyway...I find that anything over 8x usually causes problems.

Thanks for the input though. That pc is currently at 1.5GB and to upgrade I would need 1GB sticks. I was considering buying two 1GB sticks and keeping the 512MB sticks that I have as reserve.

[ststephen65]

what kind of video are you editing? what programs you using? im a bit of a video junki.......i dont know how many hours of premier i have under my belt.

[DoctorP]

what kind of video are you editing? what programs you using? im a bit of a video junki.......i dont know how many hours of premier i have under my belt.

Home videos...using my JVC 30GB camera. I'm a total NOOB though!

[ststephen65]

well if you ever need advice/help/some free sweet programs, im your man

[DoctorP]

well if you ever need advice/help/some free sweet programs, im your man

I'd like that...anything to learn a few tips of the trade! I totally don't know anything right now!

[okisteve]

well if you ever need advice/help/some free sweet programs, im your man

Could you list a few of your favorite free programs?:star:

[mikersoft]

Could you list a few of your favorite free programs?:star:

If you don't mind me interjecting, one of my favorites is the free version of SyncBack (http://www.2brightsparks.com/syncback/syncback-hub.html). It's very useful for routine backups of files or directories. I use it to sync/backup my photos and music from an internal to an external drive. Although I'm not sure it that's what ststephen65 meant by free programs. ;)

-Mike

[ststephen65]

um yeah bit torrent is your friend. heres what ya do

1. find a program you like, download the free trail version from the website. wait to install it. i for one stand by adobe ALL the way, there isn't anything better. for you DP if you want to get into editing, i recommend Adobe Premier, Adobe Encore, and Adobe After Effects. these three programs are a must.

2. go to one of these websites do a search for whatever program(s) you would like, find it, and download it
- mininova.com
-piratebay.org
-isohunt.com
-torrentspy.com

3. after your download is complete you will find that program, usually a readme or info file, and a KEYGEN. unfortunately out of the 700 some odd megabyte download the KEYGEN is all you want.

4. install your program using the installer you downloaded from the legitimate site(the currently trial version).

5. when you first open it it will tell you something like this is the trail version would you like to purchase or enter your serial number. this is where the KEYGEN come into play, open it up click generate key or something to that effect copy the number it gives you, paste it into your program and hit enter and viola! you have a fully functioning program.

NOTE: some of your more big name softwares have a little more tricky of a process for the KEYGEN process but just read the info file and it should give you directions.

NOTE: always scan any file you download from a bit torrent site before unpackaging it or running it.

DISCLAIMER: I in no way encourage or endorse the use of pirated software.