Want to know what makes me mad?

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Department of Defense employment positions advertised on:

http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/
and
http://www.cpol.army.mil/
etc.

“Must be within the local residing distance of (insert base / post / fort name on Okinawa here)”

What this translates to is; the unit can not afford to hire an American from the United States and send / bring him / her over to Okinawa under a SOFA status. So the unit puts the above statement in the job description and… Gee let’s see, who would be “Within local residing distance”? Dependant husbands and wives already on Okinawa! That is BS! All positions should be open to all U.S. Citizens in Okinawa or the USA or around the world and the U.S. Government should be paying for the PCS move, not the units.

So let see now, with this you get some half educated fat ass dependant that is going to get a job that they will work at for 2 years until their spouse gets orders to leave Okinawa and then it starts all over again. Instead why don’t the units spend a bit more money (Ok a lot more money in some cases) and get someone dedicated and more educated / experienced to do the job and stay on Okinawa and want to be in / on Okinawa.

Gurrrrr. :mad:

Peace! :army:

[dk]

So let see now, with this you get some half educated fat ass dependant that is going to get a job that they will work at for 2 years until their spouse gets orders to leave Okinawa and then it starts all over again. Instead why don’t the units spend a bit more money (Ok a lot more money in some cases) and get someone dedicated and more educated / experienced to do the job and stay on Okinawa and want to be in / on Okinawa.
That's impossible. It'd make way too much sense. You are forgetting that the world is run by a few intelligent people, but the rest of the people at the wheel are complete idiots. :p

[DoctorP]

Welcome to the real world! But really...most of the jobs listed as such are jobs that they feel are capable of being filled within the local community. If they feel that they can not fill the position, then they will go global with the announcement.

[Asshat]

Why would the US Government pay for a household goods move, airline tickets and rent for the next three years when it can find qualified applicants locally?

[moshi moshi]

I think the real purpose for filling locally is to give those dependents sent over here with their spouses an opportunity and an incentive.

If a position cannot be filled by a well-qualified local applicant, the area of consideration is widened.

And as some others have already posted, it is VERY important that your resume/application focuses on the experiences and skills specifically for the position being applied for. The various camps' Personal Services Centers have specialists that can assist with filling out government applications. They take appointments if you do not want to attend a class.

I haven't personally used them, but I hear they are very helpful.

[Tony Stacks]

Better question why don't they just hire Americans like me (Non-SOFA) who already live in Okinawa and who will be here for the rest of our lives and just give me SOFA status but no that would make too much sense.

[Muku]

Better question why don't they just hire Americans like me (Non-SOFA) who already live in Okinawa and who will be here for the rest of our lives and just give me SOFA status but no that would make too much sense.
Tony I wouldnt want SOFA status, not for what I would have to give up in return. I like the freedom of not having to be under SOFA.

What does SOFA give you that you dont have already here now.....besides access to base facilites?

[LandCru72]

Tony I wouldnt want SOFA status, not for what I would have to give up in return. I like the freedom of not having to be under SOFA.

What does SOFA give you that you dont have already here now.....besides access to base facilites?

MY2CENTS : Ditto !:first:

[Asshat]

Tony I wouldnt want SOFA status, not for what I would have to give up in return. I like the freedom of not having to be under SOFA.

What does SOFA give you that you dont have already here now.....besides access to base facilites?

1. The pride of knowing your spouse isn't sponsoring your ass, and that your life here is not dependant upon someone you sleep with.
2. Reduction in costs of fuel, food, beer.
3. Reduction in other vehicle operating/licensing costs.
4. Shorter trips as you cut through the bases.
5. Higher paying job.

So tell me what freedoms you have that a SOFA person does not? And no, I am not impressed by a hiragana plate. SOFA can get those too.

[Tony Stacks]

Tony I wouldnt want SOFA status, not for what I would have to give up in return. I like the freedom of not having to be under SOFA.

What does SOFA give you that you dont have already here now.....besides access to base facilites?


Actually you're right I'm just saying it would make more sense on their part and I used me as an example but you're right I'm not giving up my freedom for anybody!:first:

[Tony Stacks]

1. The pride of knowing your spouse isn't sponsoring your ass, and that your life here is not dependant upon someone you sleep with.
2. Reduction in costs of fuel, food, beer.
3. Reduction in other vehicle operating/licensing costs.
4. Shorter trips as you cut through the bases.
5. Higher paying job.

So tell me what freedoms you have that a SOFA person does not? And no, I am not impressed by a hiragana plate. SOFA can get those too.

FYI a lot of Americans here are Permanant Residents already which means we are not sponsored by our relatives or spouses anymore.

[Asshat]

Actually you're right I'm just saying it would make more sense on their part and I used me as an example but you're right I'm not giving up my freedom for anybody!:first:

I ask again...what freedom?

Oh and SOFA- costs the agency more money than a spouse already on SOFA. COLA.

But if someone has a skill that can not be found by a spouse, they have a better chance of getting SOFA.

What freedoms again?

[Asshat]

FYI a lot of Americans here are Permanant Residents already which means we are not sponsored by our relatives or spouses anymore.

Yep, I know a lot of them. They all got it because they are married to a spouse, or they have children from their ex-spouse who is local.

You do a lot of complaining about not being able to get a base job, SOFA, cheap gas, and then you go on about the freedom of being non-SOFA.

By bullshit light is illuminating.

[TheLastDon]

LOL, Uminchu you are killing me my man.:D

[Asshat]

LOL, Uminchu you are killing me my man.:D

Ah hell with it. :D At some point, people need to realize that many of the spouses hired here have college degrees, don't care about making a lot of money and don't need SOFA.

Meanwhile, every one of us who do the hiring have a budget that is raped silly by a war.

[Tony Stacks]

I ask again...what freedom?

Oh and SOFA- costs the agency more money than a spouse already on SOFA. COLA.

But if someone has a skill that can not be found by a spouse, they have a better chance of getting SOFA.

What freedoms again?


What freedom?
Ex: If a business says Japanese only by law they still have to let us in because we are residents but a SOFA person will be turned away.

SOFA falls under the same orders as the military so its like re enlisteing almost.

[Tony Stacks]

Yep, I know a lot of them. They all got it because they are married to a spouse, or they have children from their ex-spouse who is local.

You do a lot of complaining about not being able to get a base job, SOFA, cheap gas, and then you go on about the freedom of being non-SOFA.

By bullshit light is illuminating.


I'm just throwing stuff out there because I like the forums and stuff.

If I found a SOFA job I like I wiould try to get it you are right better benefits and more money.:thumbup1:

[Asshat]

What freedom?
Ex: If a business says Japanese only by law they still have to let us in because we are residents but a SOFA person will be turned away.

SOFA falls under the same orders as the military so its like re enlisteing almost.

That is incorrect. There is already a Japanese law on the books that makes it illegal for a business to discriminate. (Yet it happens all the time)

SOFA absolutely does not have anything to do with military orders. Some agencies on the island will exercize the DOD five-year rule, but most do not. The only way anyone gets asked to leave is if they are not doing a good job, or if they are five-year rule, or if their job goes away.

After someone does a year (GS system) they have done the obligated time for a household move from the US to here.

[Tony Stacks]

That is incorrect.

SOFA absolutely does not have anything to do with military orders. Some agencies on the island will exercize the DOD five-year rule, but most do not. The only way anyone gets asked to leave is if they are not doing a good job, or if they are five-year rule, or if their job goes away.

After someone does a year (GS system) they have done the obligated time for a household move from the US to here.


I did'nt know that. I was told that they have to follow all the same rules as the military except they can grow gotees and stuff.

[Go-Shay]

1.
So tell me what freedoms you have that a SOFA person does not? And no, I am not impressed by a hiragana plate. SOFA can get those too.
Im sorry but I seem to have missed something, can you please explain how a person with SOFA can register and legally drive a kanji plated vehicle?

[Asshat]

I did'nt know that. I was told that they have to follow all the same rules as the military except they can grow gotees and stuff.

It depends on the job. Some jobs do have a grooming standard, others don't. Of course if they pay enough, they have the right to demand a certain standard as we deal with military folks. It freaks out the right wingers if a civilian with hair to his shoulders and a full beard comes up to do a customer service thing.

I can't think of any rules I have to follow that military do, except for the license stuff. Of course those dress codes in the stores on base are set by commanders, and they can deny entry to those stores if I am showing my tits or bare foot. :)

[Tony Stacks]

It depends on the job. Some jobs do have a grooming standard, others don't. Of course if they pay enough, they have the right to demand a certain standard as we deal with military folks. It freaks out the right wingers if a civilian with hair to his shoulders and a full beard comes up to do a customer service thing.

I can't think of any rules I have to follow that military do, except for the license stuff. Of course those dress codes in the stores on base are set by commanders, and they can deny entry to those stores if I am showing my tits or bare foot. :)


That makes sense that it would depend on the job. I guess i'm just hatin' I used to apply for base jobs but just gave up.

I apologize if I've been a prick I'm just venting.

[Asshat]

That makes sense that it would depend on the job. I guess i'm just hatin' I used to apply for base jobs but just gave up.

I apologize if I've been a prick I'm just venting.

I know...lots of folks get fed up with the system. I got in the hard way, and for the first few years...well, I understand bitterness.

On the other hand, I got tired of people telling me I was lucky. Luck had shit to do with anything, but it does take networking...and never pissing anyone off. :) You know that last aint true! I'd never have a job! :D

[Tony Stacks]

I know...lots of folks get fed up with the system. I got in the hard way, and for the first few years...well, I understand bitterness.

On the other hand, I got tired of people telling me I was lucky. Luck had shit to do with anything, but it does take networking...and never pissing anyone off. :) You know that last aint true! I'd never have a job! :D


That's true. Plus your retired so as far as I'm concerned you deserve it. I could'nt even deal with more than 4 years of the more so I could'nt even imagine 20. kudos

[Tanimaga]

I think Uminchu hit it on the head. Networking is the major factor in getting a job on base. Just don't go overboard.

Had a guy that wanted a job at my shop, and came by everyday to talk to me about it. Kept trying to buy me food and drinks.. really freaked me out.

[DougP]

Why would the US Government pay for a household goods move, airline tickets and rent for the next three years when it can find qualified applicants locally?

Like this guy right here.:D
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Honestly its more cost efficient for companies to hire someone from the local environment if possible. Some of the companies wont pay housing for local hires either, now that makes no sense as well. Luckily mine does.:D

[johnysmith66]

Good recruiters can help employers avoid making costly mistakes. They know
their clients and their corporate culture intimately, which means they can
identify the right person/people. Quality recruiters have access to in-depth
market understanding which means they can help a client develop retention
programs to keep their valuable human assets.

[Oki0619]

I have to deal with many of these dependents that get handed these jobs and about 1/3 are worthy of their posistions the rest need to go back to school.

[hankypanky]

I ask again...what freedom?

Oh and SOFA- costs the agency more money than a spouse already on SOFA. COLA.

But if someone has a skill that can not be found by a spouse, they have a better chance of getting SOFA.

What freedoms again?

i guess the freedom muku is talking about that i can say is that i don't have to worry about being politically correct on my responses at work to piss someone off to possible lose my job or getting re-assigned to the states. plus the 5 year rule for many in GS jobs really sucks. I guess the point from me anyway is that i can do what i want, when i want and don't have to answer to anyone except the wife.:D

[hankypanky]

What freedom?
Ex: If a business says Japanese only by law they still have to let us in because we are residents but a SOFA person will be turned away.

SOFA falls under the same orders as the military so its like re enlisteing almost.

come on tony, is the bar going to ask you for your alien registration card or sofa card? Japanese only means no foreigners. If you speak enough japanese and with a japanese, you probably can get in. I personally have never had a problem getting in anywhere, because i match the crowd that frequents that particular establishment.:cool:

[nate123453]

i guess the freedom muku is talking about that i can say is that i don't have to worry about being politically correct on my responses at work to piss someone off to possible lose my job or getting re-assigned to the states. plus the 5 year rule for many in GS jobs really sucks. I guess the point from me anyway is that i can do what i want, when i want and don't have to answer to anyone except the wife.:D

And not make a penny doing it.

[Tony Stacks]

come on tony, is the bar going to ask you for your alien registration card or sofa card? Japanese only means no foreigners. If you speak enough japanese and with a japanese, you probably can get in. I personally have never had a problem getting in anywhere, because i match the crowd that frequents that particular establishment.:cool:

Same here, that's how I know.

[nate123453]

come on tony, is the bar going to ask you for your alien registration card or sofa card? Japanese only means no foreigners. If you speak enough japanese and with a japanese, you probably can get in. I personally have never had a problem getting in anywhere, because i match the crowd that frequents that particular establishment.:cool:

If the bar wont let you in dial 110 on your cell phone and file a police report on the bar. The next time they apply for a license it will come up and they need to take a long class to clear it.

[hankypanky]

And not make a penny doing it.

nate my selfish whore, i match dollar to dollar i make twice as much as your non-english speaking ass.

[nate123453]

nate my selfish whore, i match dollar to dollar i make twice as much as your non-english speaking ass.

I made more in interest and paid more in taxes then you made in the whole year. Want to bet?

[nate123453]

PS that is with your 20 year military ret. crap.

[hankypanky]

i have more better things to do than argue with you. like read a manga.:thumbdown:

[nate123453]

i have more better things to do than argue with you. like read a manga.:thumbdown:

Ok so are you running the bar tonight. I need a drink.

[VWBOYAF1]

So, Have you changed you mind about wanting to be SOFA yet?

[wefukmyung]

I think that all jobs here are fielded from within, Hell all jobs everywhere. It is very rare that you you get a position out of the blue without someone interjecting on your behalf. Right place right time or who you know or blow. Problem is they don't fairly enforce the rules and regulations. I would hire someone I had intel on over someone I didn't. Now the 5 year plan that is the real issue. It is so selectively enforced and some agency don't enforce it at all.

[scarlett belle]

Department of Defense employment positions advertised on:

http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/
and
http://www.cpol.army.mil/
etc.

“Must be within the local residing distance of (insert base / post / fort name on Okinawa here)”

What this translates to is; the unit can not afford to hire an American from the United States and send / bring him / her over to Okinawa under a SOFA status. So the unit puts the above statement in the job description and… Gee let’s see, who would be “Within local residing distance”? Dependant husbands and wives already on Okinawa! That is BS! All positions should be open to all U.S. Citizens in Okinawa or the USA or around the world and the U.S. Government should be paying for the PCS move, not the units.

So let see now, with this you get some half educated fat ass dependant that is going to get a job that they will work at for 2 years until their spouse gets orders to leave Okinawa and then it starts all over again. Instead why don’t the units spend a bit more money (Ok a lot more money in some cases) and get someone dedicated and more educated / experienced to do the job and stay on Okinawa and want to be in / on Okinawa.

Gurrrrr. :mad:

Peace! :army:


What!??!

Most dependents are NOT fat, lazy, cling-ons to their active duty spouses. Infact, most of us are educated (4 yr degrees; some with masters and a few with their doctorate). We are also (in ever increasing numbers) prior military, with experience and knowledge of the job and the system. Why should the unit foot an exorbatant bill to transport an employee overseas, when there are already qualified applicants here? Max time a CONUS applicant can stay is 5 yrs...military spouses stay on average 4, IPCOT makes that 8. Again more bang for the buck.

Sorry...serious pet peeve. <3 Military spouses struggle to maintain a career through numerous moves, each assignment bringing the stress of searching for a job openning, going to interviews, selling yourself over and over and over again...we stay because we're dedicated to our family, our marriages, and the military. Bottom line, spouses are many things, educated, dedicated, loyal ... but we are NOT lazy.

[Brand_X]

The only thing I dont like is all the dependents getting preference on job hiring. Many of them dont need the jobs. Places like Okinawa are different from the states. There are people just as dedicated as and spouse with sofa but dont have the luxurys of sofa, cola, free base housing and all that to fall back on. But thats me speaking as a resident of Okinawa.

We are also (in ever increasing numbers) prior military, with experience and knowledge of the job and the system. Why should the unit foot an exorbatant bill to transport an employee overseas, when there are already qualified applicants here?

Many really are not as qualified as well as you think. Besides for all the education and military experience there is at least 1 probably many more non-dependent normal civilians back in the states with more qualification and experience than any individual dependent here. I think what the original post was about is why cant those people even have a chance to apply. This practice is not equal opportunity its Okinawa SOFA status opportunity. I live here and was in the military here and I can honestly say a lot of the dependents do sub par work and take jobs they dont need from local Americans or state side American that can do a better job. But thats back to my complaint.

Its only a complaint. The dependents that do a good job i say good on them the ones who are taking my jobs only because they are sofa dependents I say kiss my ass. Personally I am glad CONUS individuals cant apply for many of the jobs. Then it would be even harder for me. But in actuality they should at least have the opportunity to try.

The whole im dedicated to my family thats why I get a job is partially BS. Your dedicated to your carer, lifestyle, and money. Not a bad thing but again takes job opportunities away from me so I am kinda bias.

Oh and...

Infact, most of us are educated (4 yr degrees; some with masters and a few with their doctorate).

That is actually false. Its only about 11% for military spouses with a 4 year degree or above.

SOMEONE GIVE ME A DAMN JOB!!!!!! Or show me who I need to be talking to that can help! :(

[Odie]

Brand X, while it is understandable that you would be distressed about seeking and not being able to find employment perhaps it would be easier to sympathize with you if you didn't feel the need to stereotype a huge number of people based on your limited experience. Based on what exactly do you come to these conclusions? Have you worked HR for any one of these employers that in your opinion caters to dependents? How are you privy to the resumes and credentials of these people?

Besides for all the education and military experience there is at least 1 probably many more non-dependent normal civilians back in the states with more qualification and experience than any individual dependent here.

It's already been made amply clear as to why they would give preference to locals versus state side applicants considering the cost. What's more there are always better qualified applicants but employers have to weigh the applicants credentials their worth if you will, against their bottom line.

I live here and was in the military here and I can honestly say a lot of the dependents do sub par work and take jobs they dont need from local Americans or state side American that can do a better job

Are you an American citizen? Are you a veteran? To my knowledge there is such a thing as veterans preference. Also, who are these "a lot" of dependents and how do you know they take jobs they don't need. Are you a financial advisor to these lots of dependents? Are their bank accounts busting at the proverbial seams so much so that they don't need jobs?

I've seen the military pay tables and I was not impressed, perhaps a few high ranking officers wives might not need extra income however it's no ones right to police another persons desire to work whether or not they are strapped for money. Many people work for the satisfaction they derive from it and not just for the money.

Also since when do employers hire anyone based on the persons need for the job? The last time I checked life isn't fair. Ideally they hire the most qualified applicant with in their guidelines.

Not a bad thing but again takes job opportunities away from me so I am kinda bias.

You are correct, you are biased and it's glaringly obvious.

All that being said, I am the spouse of a military member. I have 2 Bachelor's degrees. I graduated with a 3.7 GPA, and yes it does matter, I have earned credentials in my field and had been accepted to the Masters program before I met my husband. I've worked since I was 16 and worked for the State of California for 7 years earning substantially more than I could ever hope to earn at one of jobs I am "preferred" for here. I have glowing recommendations from my past supervisors and was granted a leave of absence should I chose to return to my job state side. I would not be one bit upset should they decide to do away with the spouse preference because I am confident that my credentials speak for themselves.

If I seem to be confrontational towards you imagine how it would look if I decided to post belittling and stereotyping an entire group of people, let's say all those without a college education, out of frustration? Imagine I posted exactly what you did but insert "people without a college education" where dependents is.

I am actively seeking a job not demanding that someone give me a damn job. I suggest you do the same and I wish you luck.

Now you know what makes ME mad.

[Brand_X]

You missed the humor in my SOMEONE GIVE ME A DAMN JOB!!!!!! that was a joke. WHo in their right minds says something like that seriously. If you took it seriously then maybe you should do something about your anal probe. Haha another joke! You can get mad at that though it was a little mean. As for the "I can honestly say a lot of the dependents do sub par work" I feel is true. I didnt say all I didnt say most I just said a lot. I am happy you got your degrees thats as I said "Good on you!" your in the minority of HIGHLY educated military spouses. As for me saying jobs they dont need guess what luxuries are luxuries you dont need them. If they are strapped for cash maybe they should seek a financial adviser. If they do good work then again good on them. But the ones who do crap work are taking jobs they dont need. The preference part sucks but I was getting at the fact that people in the states cant even apply for many of the jobs. Not saying they need to higher somebody from the states to be a gym worker besides they dont have to pay for them to move not like they are required to give sofa and its benefits to anybody besides the actual uniform service members. Could go like this: "Camp service job opening in Camp Foster Okinawa, Japan" So and so from the states wants the job is highly qualified and they want to give it to him but is only equivalent to a $14 an hour job not worth paying for him move. They could always tell him if he relocated on his own then he has the job. Rather than cutting him off from the job completely. I am sure many would pay the travel expense for the opportunity if they feel its worth it

I am not distressed about finding a job its just that there are hardly any good jobs available at all besides food services type jobs or jobs you need your degrees or sofa only. I believe you read a little to deep into what I was saying. The only real shot I took at the military dependents was some of them have shotty performance. Never did I say they wernt qualified for what they do. I said that some are not as qualified as the person before me made it sound. The rest was kinda sarcastic. I apologize for not making that known as I have upset people in the past do to my harsh sarcasm which isnt always apparent.

Now you may work because you love it but you gloated a little dropping information like grades, degrees and how you have been working since you where 16 so I believe you work for the money too. Actually sound like you work mostly for the money and social status. Lets face it the paper (degree) helps you get a job but your only gonna use about 10% of what your learned getting it in the job you get afterward if its in the same field of study. You sound like your one of those "I base my self worth and status in society by job pay and degrees that for the most part dont mean as much as people think they do. But thats me reading into what you said. If im wrong (very well may be) sorry. Just basing it off my limited knowledge I have of you. Which is almost nothing.

Anyways glad I could make your acquaintance. I know personalities on the net are not what most people are in real life. Myself included... I think. Anything I said that was mean or harsh in this post was probably my little self defense mechanism for my own shortcomings. I should probably delete the whole third part but its my online personality.

and again.

SOMEONE GIVE ME A DAMN JOB!!!!!! (sarcasm)

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Dear Japan Update forums members,

First off please let me apologize to anyone who took offence to this thread. I was very upset and sadden when I originally posted this thread back in December 2007. As you can see I rarely post, but read quite a few post here in the JU forums. Again today I am in a somewhat somber mood and was upset about employment opportunities in Japan and thought it wise to see how the thread was coming along. After reading the last two posts Scarlett Belle and Brand X, I felt it was time to comment and explain a few things, to see if anyone out there might want to continue to comment or provide advice.

Sorry if this post is so long, no need to read it all, but I felt this may be a good time to document some of the things that have plagued me for years. This will also serve as a good reference tool should I ever need to come back here and need some motivation as to why this topic makes me so mad. It will also serve on the flip side as a reminder of what is really important; my family, my health, my career and my country. So, this is more for me then the people that read it, I also know that bitching about it will not change anything either, it won’t get me a job, or bring me any closer to Okinawa then I already am. However, some ideas have developed from this, and those are listed / referenced below.

Again I apologize for my lengthy post of why I am so passionate about a life on Okinawa AKA: “Oki”

So, let’s get on with it:

“The lord helps those, that help themselves”

Wow what a wonderful three months this thread has taken. I watched weekly and sometimes daily all the good and bad stuff people have posted here. However some make me feel I may be on a higher plane (level) then some of our posters here, ha ha but not to be derogatory at this point, I find those posts both comical and informative to read, thank you for posting in this thread. “The lord helps those, that help themselves” and I am not a deeply religious person but I do have great faith in what God’s plan is for us. Also karma is a bitch! She can come back to haunt you like nothing you have ever seen when you truly see karma in full effect. It scares me sometimes to think of some of the stuff I have done and when will it all catch up to me. So I provide this information and work logically keeping both of those close at hand before I act or pursue something.

“Within the local commuting distance”

I understand each person’s side on this topic and I do agree with some and disagree with others. Yes you have to look at the overall greater good for the people. But that is not always the best practice. Communism was supposed to be for the “Greater good of the people” but that did not work out to well for the USSR now did it?

Side note: Those that are in the same situation as me are a rare breed, a special person who sees something in the life on Okinawa as a special opportunity for them to, grow, change, adventure, succeed, etc. I have lived both in the USA and in Okinawa about half and half of my adult life and I can’t explain the feelings and emotions that are possible when in one place or another. I do know that I progressed, prospered and elevated my standard of living while on Okinawa, not to say I did not do that here in the USA, but just not nearly as much. Okinawa provides both a bit of the USA and a lot of Japan and that is my comfort zone. Please remember that most persons who have been stationed in Japan do appreciate the nation and move on with their life and they love the USA, so do I! I am not anti USA just that my comfort zone is best in Okinawa. Example would be, someone who lives in New York may not like living in Arkansas. But in this case, there are a few select individuals who embrace the change in cultural differences and want to continue that life experience on Okinawa. They are not bad people, they are not traders, or scum or low life Japanese want to be’s. They are hard working, patriotic veterans just like me who enjoy and want the adventure of living in Japan. Is that so terrible? To want to live some place and be a part of that environment of choice? I think not.

“Stationed there, but no chance to work there later” / “Quality vs. local hire”

The first statement speaks for itself, however is an obstacle to overcome in fighting the statements truth and reality. The second statement is fact that the units have been short funded since 2000 and has to draw the line between quality or availability. Sometimes as was stated earlier quality or better put, dedication is sacrificed to meet easy availability of a local hire. One thing is for sure, those that are hired local and are under someone else’s SOFA status are destined to leave the position in two to three years. This in fact provides for a much greater crippling effect to the unit had they hired someone with the deep desire / longevity of a CONUS hire verses a convenience local hire. Depending on the job, some jobs take two years to really “peak out at” and reach a level of efficiency and proficiency needed for the position. When that local hire leaves after two years, is the military saving money? Yes, but at what cost? Now the “learning” process and deficiency of the unit process starts all over again.

“My personal desire to work on post in Okinawa”

I just want to point out that I live in Virginia right now. I was on Okinawa in 2002 when I retired from the Army and could have stayed there and are you ready for this? I was offered a GS-2 or 3 (can’t remember exactly) but a position as an office clerk at Torii Station. So you may say, ah ha! You had your chance and you blew it.

“Why did I not take the job?”

I have mulled over this question for six long years! Well reasons are; I have a family and their well being comes first and I did not want to be one of these “Guys depending on their marriage to stay in Japan” no offence to that crowed, I happen to know a lot of them, well did, most are probably gone or dead, DOH!

Side note, anyone know Chris Siems? The guy that drove the all yellow RX-7 that was all fixed up? Yeah that was just one, there are more. Also I have a friend that is retiring from the Marines in a few weeks who is on Oki now, I could go on and on, BTW if you see the Maroon Skyline with the yellow stickers and the illuminated license place “Y…1”? Guess what? That was my car, I built it from scratch and and I was the first American to go down to the Kinser area off base DMV and get illuminated plates for a Y car, and just to prove the fact, I got “Y…1” plate.

Anyhow, back to the story…
I am reminded of a book I like to read every two years or so.

“Who Moved My Cheese”

For those of you unfamiliar with the book or term, here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese
Yes I know it is Wiki, blab la bla, but it is the best “sums it up” and has a bit of the book on the page. When I think of working on Okinawa as “My cheese” I dig deep and pull up my sleeves and get busy looking for my “Cheese” unfortunately each corner I turn is meet with “Local commuting distance of…” in the maze and I am forced to sit down in the maze and “Hem and Haw” about why I can’t get to my “Cheese”. See I know where my “Cheese” is at, I know how to get it, I know the value of my “Cheese” but I am faced with the immoveable object syndrome. My force and desire meet with an immovable object of “Local commuting distance”

“Hey get off your ass and either”

A. Get a degree in something.
B. Move to Okinawa and live on bread and water for years and beg for a job on base.
C. Give up.

A. Degree = money (Yeah I got G.I. bill, but it is not what you think it is)
B. Move = Not going to do that to my family and lots of Money.
C. Give up = Nope.

“Where there is a will, there is a way”

This however has been modified by me and it is one of the credos I live by:

“Where there is a will there is an SGT_OKINAWA”

People have said that I am a very determined person. I may run from a fight I can’t win, but dam sure I’ll be back. I will make it back to Okinawa some day, one way or another, with a SOFA job or dead in a pine box!

A. I know all the 4 year degree people reading this are like: Oh it is so easy, just got to study. Well gee dyslexia, 80% disabled and got enough drugs to kill a herd of horses I am no spring chicken, I have a hard time foucusing now as is, and the Hazmat class in two weeks is scaring the crap out of me. Yeah yeah excuses excuses, well that is why I have 1 year of collage and a binder 5 inches thick of awards, training, education and accolades. I am no lazy ass, but school is not easy for me either.

see next post....

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Am I wrong for not having a degree? YES! Gezzz get off my back, I do blame myself, I just had dinner with a friend of mine form High school and he has a PHD in public health and science. He is a LCDR in the Public Health department in DC and makes more money in 4 months then I do all year!

“Why are you not like him?”

As I said before, I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I took the path least traveled as all my friends. I enlisted in the Marines and went to Okinawa in the 1980’s. So that brings us back to where we started. Yes the Marines was a life long dream of mine and I would not give it up for the world, but I am reaping all the effects of not going the path my friends did. One friend of mine is a GS-13 on Okinawa and he did not retire from the military. Who is ahead? Neither, he is not retired military, but lives in Okinawa. I am retired army, but can’t get a job in Okinawa. Do two wrongs make a right? No nor does it get me a job in Okinawa. So am I screwed? So far, YES!

B. I already addressed living on the economy, on bread and water, no thanks; I can’t and will not put my family through that pain.

C. Give up? At this point this topic has driven me so mad, that it has begun to affect my mental and physical health. As I said before, “The lord helps those that help themselves” right? Well in this case, I can’t quit my job and help myself by going to school, my wife does not and sort of can’t work, I can’t go to school full time; I have a family to support. I can’t give up. See if it was just me and no family I could “Give up” and go to Okinawa broke and homeless and try to get a local job. I can handle being homeless for a few months and scratching for a job. But there is no way I would do that to my kids.

BTW did I mention that I am 80% disabled service connected veteran? In fact I am over all 130% disabled according to all the ailments that I have, but they rolled it back to 80% because I can be employed and I am not drooling on myself in wheel chair.

So back to the list of things:

“Turn the cost of moving a GS employee back to the HQ USMC/Navy/AF/Army or better yet the DOD”

This would be great for me! And many others, this would alleviate the untis from having to decisde, Hum? Buy a $75,000 new piece of equipment for the unit or PCS one guy and his family over here, or get the equipment and hire locally!

So, in this case, all I can do is write lots of letters. If it can work for CRSC, https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/crsc/index.html
It can work for getting a job on Okinawa: BTW – CRSC is Chapter 61 guys like me, Retired Military but under 20 years and not eligible for CRSC, well guess what, in the 2008 Defense Budget, it got approved!! Finally! Click the link to read about it. So if writing letters for 4 years got that done, (I hope I had some help in doing that) here is what I will write about this:

To Senator, congressman, representative, etc.

I am currently a civil service employee and have for the past few years applied for DOD employment positions in Japan with no success. Due to the current budget shortfalls imposed on organizations in Japan, positions advertised on each branches' employment portal and usajobs.com are listed as local hire only or no Permanent Change of Station (PCS) expenses paid. This precludes many retired veterans from seeking employment with the federal employee system in Japan. I want to continue serving my country and hope that your office can assist me and other retired veterans with finding employment under SOFA status in Japan.

Very Respectfully,

(Signed)

I am going to send this once a week, via e-mail, and snail mail until I get a response. I did the same thing for CRSC, why not for this?

“When I wake up and when I go to bed.”

Let’s shift focus here to a really personal note. Want to know how bad I want to get a job on Okinawa?

I often refer to getting a job on Okinawa as “Wining the lottery”, “Set for life” and “If I get a job over there,… I am not coming back” My wife and I have recently sat down and talked it over to the point that she is concerned about my 6 year obsession with getting a job in Okinawa. We are ok for now, but really she is concerned. Also, (Boy I can’t believe I am saying this) I have sat down with a mental health doctor from the VA about this. Worst of all is that each time I discuss this with the doctor he says it is an issue because, he will ask me a question and I always answer “Yes, it is the first thing I think about when I wake up, and the last thing I think about before I go to bed” and in his opinion this is borderline “beyond normal obsessive” Down right scary at times to me! LOL! (Yes I have tears in my eyes right now) because I am reminded of when a person I work with, friends, or anyone who knows me sometimes says jokingly… “You know this one time on Okinawa” and they are making fun of me and how I am always talking about Okinawa. So I think you get the point of how serious I am about getting a job on Okinawa.

“What does the Dr. Say?”
I have what my doctor told me once, “Materialized” or “Given substance” to wanting to go to Okinawa into an “irresponsible obsession that is really less important then what should be in my life” and by the way I have an appointment with the VA doctor tomorrow and yes this topic will come up.

BTW – I don’t look 80% disabled. Everyone is shocked when they find that out because I am not fat, I conduct myself in a very very professional manor and I am a current DOD GS employee with a binder 5” thick of awards, training, and education in there. In fact I should be a higher GS employee at this point but I am staying here at Ft. Lee to get as much schooling done as possible. Like I SAID I go to HAZMAT class (2 Week course) in a few weeks and tell you that is one hard class, two other guys in my office failed it and this will be my first and HOPEFULLY only try!

“Yes - my wife is Okinawan”

If you have not already figured it out, and actually she is from Miyako-jima and NO! She is not the underlying reason for my wanting to go back to Okinawa. In fact she says she does not want to go back, need or desire to go back to Okinawa. No, she is not saying that to be a nice wife and relieve pressure of me. She really has no desire or need to go back, she has been back there twice in the last 6 years and says, meh it is ok. She has adapted and works very well here in the USA. In fact most people find her more American then what they have as a pre conceived notion about a foreign born spouse should act like. She is very shy to begin with and most people respect that after they get to know her. My family is really supportive of her and her supporting me and taking care of the kids. In other words she could live in the USA all by herself; she pays the bills, maintenance the cars, cooks, cleans, and keeps my ass straight! In no way do I take advantage of her, it is the other way around, I am the money maker and she is the manager, it is a great team effort.

“When I die, I want half my ashes buried at Arlington and half in Okinawa.”

It is in my Living Will and my Last Will and Testament. Enough said.

Well here goes a really fun one, I am going to post my personal home e-mail address. Why? You ask? Because I am not afraid to stand up to the reticule, judgment, and comments as a result of this post.

No one comment can affect how deeply I am set on this quest. I can’t imagine anyone could e-mail anything worse then what I have already gone through in the past six years.

For all I know someone may give this story to their boss and I get a job offer, wouldn’t that be a hoot. Or someone might post this in their office and say, hey when you think you’re having a bad day… read this guys story.

My e-mail address: iijj99@comcast.net

Scarlett Belle, please understand I was in a weird place when I wrote that first post, please accept my personal forgiveness if I offended you in any way.

Yes one last note: You remember I spoke of how patriotic I am? How much I love the USA. Well I came across this video link a few days ago and I can’t get it out of my mind. It just tears me up to see it and how what we will be faced with in the future of the American way of life. I could go on, but I will leave it to you to watch it and see what you think.

(((Warning Very Graphic Content 18+)))

Fitna

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103

God bless and hope everyone on Oki is doing well and safe. I hope to meet or hear from some of you some day. Take care, and be safe.

Very Respectfully,

SGT_OKINAWA :army:

[Odie]

Bunnies are white and fluffy. Have a nice day.

[SGT_OKINAWA]

? BUNNIES? What am I supposed to do with bunnies?

:-|

[Odie]

? BUNNIES? What am I supposed to do with bunnies?

:-|

LOL It wasn't directed at you Sgt. Sorry didn't mean to mislead but I'm kind of glad I did because your comment brought on a much needed laugh :D

[proudtobnotpc]

That's impossible. It'd make way too much sense. You are forgetting that the world is run by a few intelligent people, but the rest of the people at the wheel are complete idiots. :p

dk I'd say due to my previous employment on base that this is a pretty accurate statement - thanks man:thumbup1:

[DOCROB]

Hell I'ld take the lowest paying job on the Army web site I still pays more then what I make right now and I'm getting out in Nov.

[mikersoft]

Side note, anyone know Chris Siems? The guy that drove the all yellow RX-7 that was all fixed up?

That name sure sounds familiar. Was/is he Army? 58th Signal Battalion?

-Mike

[SGT_OKINAWA]

I think I killed my own thread?

Whoops!
:o

Peace.:army:

[Tanimaga]

Check those PM's SGT.

[SGT_OKINAWA]

I read your PM, sorry, I am a Logisitcs Manager GS-9 right now, so I'll keep looking.

Thanks,
Peace!:army:

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Breaks the heart...

https://cpolwapp.belvoir.army.mil/public/vabSelfNom/getresultsvab

About the Position: RELOCATION COSTS WILL NOT BE PAID

Who May Apply: (Click on Who May Apply)
THIS RECRUITMENT IS OPEN TO APPLICANTS WITHIN THE COMMUTING AREA OF CAMP ZAMA, JAPAN IN THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES:

Peace. :crying:

[Sex Wax]

Dudes (ettes), My job as Chief Liquid Soap Application and Removal Technician of Mobile Land-Based Transportation Vehicles is the best Job on Okinawa ! I get to work with cool people and still have time to hit the beach or waves. Plus I get that SOFA thingy!

:thumbup1:

[SGT_OKINAWA]

That name sure sounds familiar. Was/is he Army? 58th Signal Battalion?

-Mike

Mike, yeah that is him, 58t Signal, I was in the 58th too. Do you know Chris, what ever happend to him?

Peace!:army:

[mikersoft]

Mike, yeah that is him, 58t Signal, I was in the 58th too. Do you know Chris, what ever happend to him?

Peace!:army:

PM sent.

-Mike

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Still no Job in Okinawa, but went fishing !!

18 1/2" Fat Pig (Large Mouth Bass)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6176/46611650ee5.jpg

Peace!:army:

[kaleb3697]

Where did you catch the bass? Is there any good fishing in Oki?

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Got Bass in VA. At Fort Picket.

Nope, no "Bass" fishing in Oki, just the ocean stuff, and I am sure of you look around or ask around people can tell you where to ocean fish from shore or boat trips.

Good luck!

Peace!:army:

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Still no job ON Okinawa :(

Peace!:army:

[Taz T]

Sgt O, how long have you lived here in Okinawa after you separated from the military? Well, good luck with the journey. I do have agree that it is ruff out here. I am just not sure how much longer I will be able to hold out. I guess as long as I keep busy, that's all that matters.

[kinville_warrior]

SGT_Okinawa,

I know what you are going through. I call Okinawa my magic button location. If I had a magic button that would send me anywhere on the planet, it would send me to the little outdoor bar in Chatan just outside the Habu Box store. I love having a beer or ten there while I vacation in Okinawa. For some reason beers just taste better when you drink them outside.

I've been wanting to move back to Okinawa for about 10 years now. The problem and blessing is, my career achievements in America have made that an unrealistic task.

I would have to take an extreme pay cut in order to fulfill my dream of living and working in Okinawa. I currently work as an senior I.T consultant (Enterprise Management Architect) in the U.S. I've had job offers with KDDI in Okinawa, but at a ridiculously low pay rate of 40k/yr (USD) for my particular job.

I've also had job offers in Tokyo at my current pay level, if not more. So what's the problem? Well, I am also married to an Okinawan and she refuses to live in Tokyo. For some unknown reason, I.T workers on Okinawa get paid much less than I.T workers doing the same job in Tokyo.

My current company has an office in Tokyo and was willing to approve a transfer, but my wife freaked out about living in Tokyo. My argument was, the International Schools are better, we could maintain our lifestyle, and she could visit her family anytime. She just told me over and over that mainland people are mean and she refused to move there.

Instead of pressing the issue, we visit Okinawa once a year. I only get to stay for about 10 to 30 days, but the kids and the wife get to stay all summer. I recommend you do that instead of making yourself sick trying to come up with a solution to live there.

I also recommend checking out http://www.daijob.com/en/ (DaiJob) It is a Job site that has listings for jobs in Japan. It is mostly private companies, but they have a lot more Japanese listings than FED sites. My offers came from DaiJob after posting my resume there. You should also check out a company called, "SAIC". They do a lot of contract work for military installations in Japan.

Another Web site that helped me out was, www.gaijinpot.com. It's a forum site that has a lot of Jobs and information on moving to Japan. I would love to move to Okinawa, but my only solution would be to start a business in Okinawa. (Computer related) That goes back to that old "bird in hand" saying, I don't think I can give up a sure thing for something that may or may not work.

Don't make yourself sick over trying to land a government job in Okinawa. Maybe you should try going the civilian route with a private company. Also, think about what skills you currently have see if you could build a business around them. Can you BBQ? Can you paint? Put an American spin on something and you would be surprised what works. During our Okinawan vacation back in 2003, I met a black guy name "Keith" (forgot the last name) who sold American bentos' out of his house for a couple years. It didn't make his family rich, but it paid the bills. He ended up moving back to the States because he got tired of the island.

Anyway, just keep thinking positive and eventually something good will happen. Great book reference by the way (Who moved my cheese), I also have a copy that I read when I forget my focus. Good luck and stay strong.

[SGT_OKINAWA]

kinville_warrior,

Thanks for the kind words, here are the answers to your questions and suggestions:

1. SOFA, must have SOFA, so private jobs and bento sales are out of the question, yes "Bird in Hand" is too my reason for this, sounds like we are in the same boat.

2. I don't make enough money to go back to Okinawa each year, 10 days for me and 2 months for the wife and kids. Maybe in a few years, but by then I should have a job in Okinawa, I will never let this go, it keeps me "Alive"

3. Sick? Yeah a bit, more mad then sick really, and most of the time, I KNOW why I don't have a Gov't job in OKI, I don't have a degree, or a masters degree at that. So no one but myself to blame.

4. Live in Tokyo, would be fine with me and my wife, IF it was SOFA, so I can see where she does not want to go to TK on a private job.

5. I.T consultant (Enterprise Management Architect) ?? OMG! you must have a degree or 2 of them? I know some people that would hire you in a flash! Have you looked at https://cpolwapp.belvoir.army.mil/public/vabSelfNom/index.jsp (Don't worry about the security warning, it is a DOD site, I am sure you know that) well anyhow, the 58th Signal has many IT jobs come open over the years, just keep plugging away at it, you will get a IT job over there no problem, it is SUPPLY jobs that are in short order, so back to square one.

Ok, again thanks and I keep trying.

Peace!:army:

[kinville_warrior]

Hello SGT_Okinawa,

I decided to Google SOFA status in an attempt to understand why it is so important to you. Based on my 20 minute Cliff Note study session, I still don’t understand why people place such a high value on obtaining this status.

The only benefit that really stood out for me was the ability to escape local tax liabilities. That would be great if I got paid in USD and didn’t have to pay Japanese tax. On top of that, the first $80k is tax free when working on overseas contracts. (That fact came from the many recruiters that called me for I.T contracts in Iraq…NO THANKS!!!:barf:)

I understand SOFA personnel are not subject to the host country’s legal system, but that does not strike me as a perk because I don’t plan on becoming an international criminal.

I still think the best way to go is private. You are married to an Okinawan so you don’t need a company to sponsor your Visa. That means you are free to work wherever you choose. That would also buy you time in seeking a SOFA job. You would become a local area candidate. :thumbup1:

In the meantime, you and your wife should look into joining the Okinawa Kenjin Kai. It’s a group of stateside Okinawans and their spouses that get together and have BBQ’s, talk about Okinawa and put on traditional dance shows. It’s actually a pretty good time, and the wives love the support network. It’s also a great way to meet people that could put you in contact with people that could potentially assist you in landing that dream job.

It’s usually like 100 people in attendance, mostly ex-military and Japanese spouses. My wife and I are members of the Atlanta chapter. Here’s some pictures form one of the meetings:

Sanshin

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r311/digichase/DSC_08310001DAN.jpg

Fan Dance

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r311/digichase/DSC_08360001DAN.jpg

Oar Dance

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r311/digichase/DSC_08400001DAN.jpg

Taiko dance

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r311/digichase/DSC_0845.jpg

[Cathleen_38]

i applied for a sofa position and being former Marine wouldn't I be qualified? you'd think. But no, I'm underqualified for the job and half the jobs are skate jobs anyways. How much do ya need to be qualified?
DOH! I dunno, whatcha asking me for? HUH?! DUH, I'm just a dummie Marine with no bwains! uh.. my M.O.S. Is Water Purification.. 1171. btw..

[okisteve]

With respect, Cathleen, maybe they already have enough water purification specialists here. I can't imagine it is that critical for Okinawa anyway, other than training or emergency preparedness.

[SGT_OKINAWA]

I decided to Google SOFA status in an attempt to understand why it is so important to you. Based on my 20 minute Cliff Note study session, I still don’t understand why people place such a high value on obtaining this status.

1. SOFA = schools, there is another thread here (LONG ONE) about SOFA status and your kids in school. Must have DODDS school for the kids, they speak little Japanese, and can NOT read or write it.

2. SOFA = Status, I know it sounds DUMB but some people are looked down on those without SOFA as leaches that stayed in Okinawa and never fesses up to the reality of going back to the USA is what they should have done in the first place.

3. I too have a career with the Military as a DOD Civilian, so I am sort of stuck in a spot - to keep my DOD job I need a DOD job over there, DOD jobs are very good, I like STILL working with the military and being around soldiers.

4. PCS (Perm Change of Station) (AKA: Moving costs) is a huge one, I can't afford to pay $50,000.00 to ship my stuff to Japan, SOFA (With PCS Costs included) is a major plus.

5. Housing, SOFA allows you to have government furnishings and housing paid for. YEAH I KNOW NOT ALL SOFA GET THAT< BUT THE JOBS I AM APPLYING FOR DO. Whew!

6. Longevity, most SOFA will use the 5 year rule, but some don't care, I know some guys and gals that have been in the same office for 10+ years.

7. Private is not going to pay medical and dental coverage. If SOFA I can use my retired (Tri-care) benefits and use on base dental and Medical.

8. Okinawa = Off and ON base, I am not moving to Okinawa just to live in a small 1 room apt and drive by the base and try to peek over the fence at what I am missing out on.

etc, etc,....

Sorry, I am in a mood today that has me even more pissed off at the world.

Peace!:army:

[DoctorP]

7. Private is not going to pay medical and dental coverage. If SOFA I can use my retired (Tri-care) benefits and use on base dental and Medical.

8. Okinawa = Off and ON base, I am not moving to Okinawa just to live in a small 1 room apt and drive by the base and try to peek over the fence at what I am missing out on.


Just one thing that I don't understand....if you are retired (your word not mine) you can use the hospital and go on base as often as you like...you do not need a SOFA job at all. Also, it wouldn't cost you $50k to move here, simple...sell all of your stuff!!!! Move here with little and re-accumulate.

[kinville_warrior]

SGT_Okinawa,

Thanks for the link you posted, I will check it from time to time.

As for SOFA status, the schools, paid relocation, and free housing sounds like a sweet deal. I think we are in the same boat, but we differ on the issue of SOFA status. I would be willing to "sell the mills" (Buffet reference) and move if I found the right job and pay, SOFA or no SOFA.

I would arrive with a fist full of dollars, a smile on my face, my laptop, and a enough clothes to last me two weeks. After that, I would raid Jusco, San A and thrift shops for bargain furniture and clothing. :w00t:

I'm with you on the apartment issue, last summer we rented a Weekly Mansion ($1500 for 30 days) to save on hotel fees. It was a 1 bedroom apartment, about the size of my kitchen in the States.

I think it was a 1LDK, it also had a laundry room with W/D. The bedroom had two American style queen beds side by side and not much room for walking or anything else. Me, the wife and kids (8 and 10) all slept in the same room and that was a major adjustment. It would take me a while to get use to living like that.

Good luck with your search. I'm sure one day both of us will land that dream job on the island and meet for Orion and yaki tori at the local izakaya. Until then, it is Samuel Adams and buffalo wings for me. Gambatte!

Paradise for now... <3

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r311/digichase/drink.jpg

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Good luck to you too. I hope we meet some day on Oki too. I keep trying, and wow there are a bunch of IT jobs just hit the ARMY web site, go check it.

http://www.cpol.army.mil/

Peace!:army:

[Tanimaga]

I gotta say.. networking is the key. Also, it's not who you know, it's who knows you. I pulled a few strings and got a friend of mine hired where I work. She didn't work out at all, as her work ethics were horrid.
I asked someone on this forum who needs a job about their transition assistance status, and if they still had it. I was in a good position to help someone out. No response, so the position went to another.
I can only say follow every lead, and be ready if a chance opens.
I passed up a GS9 position years ago, because I was getting paid more at the time. Now I wish I had taken it.

[InDuhUSA]

Breaks the heart...

https://cpolwapp.belvoir.army.mil/public/vabSelfNom/getresultsvab

About the Position: RELOCATION COSTS WILL NOT BE PAID

Who May Apply: (Click on Who May Apply)
THIS RECRUITMENT IS OPEN TO APPLICANTS WITHIN THE COMMUTING AREA OF CAMP ZAMA, JAPAN IN THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES:

Peace. :crying:

Yeah it does. Read those many times. Even was stupid enough to apply anyway to see what would happen, only to get some notice that said I did not meet the criteria for consideration for said position :D

But yeah, it does hurt. Last year I actually did get an interview for a Camp Zama job. Thought the interview went great and that me and the interviewer kicked it off, had some great laughs, etc. A week later I got the notice saying, "You were considered but not selected for this poistion." After about four years of applying for jobs to get back to Asia, that was the straw that broke the camel's back. I gave up and now my wife and I are just going to buy us a house here in the good ol' US of A and settle down. Heck, my current position pays well, I am treated with much respect here, get awards and bonuses throughout the year, so so what if I miss Okinawa and want to be back there ever so badly ....

What the heck is wrong with me?!!!! :D

[Son Kokujin]

Same here, but I'll keep trying. Somebody has got to be looking for a vet that's willing to work!!!

[InDuhUSA]

Same here, but I'll keep trying. Somebody has got to be looking for a vet that's willing to work!!!

I tried to stick it out and be a good trooper. However, after having to do numerous KSAs (every IT job seemed to have variously different KSAs with the exception of those common ones that demanded that you demonstrate you are good at writing and communicating), constantly updating my government resume on several job sites (USAJobs, Army, Navy, Air Force, DISA, DLA, GSA, DFAS, and others who were hiring in Japan) as well as OF612 for those who preferred that over a resume, having to copy documents, etc. just began to wear on me. The worst part though is getting my hopes up high when I get a status that says "Your resume is being considered for this position" and then wait sometimes MONTHS for some updated status (and hoping to get a call for an interview) only to get the "You were considered but not selcted" status.

I remember about five years ago when I first began applying for jobs back there getting a call from the Camp Zama CPO. They asked me, "Are you really interested in the jobs because so many people apply for the jobs but when it is offred, they turn them down." Man I was excited. I said, "Yes, yes, yes I am interested." They told me good. Talk to you again soon."

Never heard from them again :(

[Sex Wax]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r311/digichase/drink.jpg

Boat Drinks ROCK !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sex Wax]

I tried to stick it out and be a good trooper. However, after having to do numerous KSAs (every IT job seemed to have variously different KSAs with the exception of those common ones that demanded that you demonstrate you are good at writing and communicating), constantly updating my government resume on several job sites (USAJobs, Army, Navy, Air Force, DISA, DLA, GSA, DFAS, and others who were hiring in Japan) as well as OF612 for those who preferred that over a resume, having to copy documents, etc. just began to wear on me. The worst part though is getting my hopes up high when I get a status that says "Your resume is being considered for this position" and then wait sometimes MONTHS for some updated status (and hoping to get a call for an interview) only to get the "You were considered but not selcted" status.

I remember about five years ago when I first began applying for jobs back there getting a call from the Camp Zama CPO. They asked me, "Are you really interested in the jobs because so many people apply for the jobs but when it is offred, they turn them down." Man I was excited. I said, "Yes, yes, yes I am interested." They told me good. Talk to you again soon."

Never heard from them again :(

Dude...I got out in 2000, and i got my first job "back" on base in 2005. It took me awhile. I hope you do get a job on base....if thats what you want. I'm kinda missing not being affiliated with the bases though. Just tell me who was turning you down for the jobs, and i'll break thier kneecaps with great enthusiasm.

[InDuhUSA]

U da man SW:thumbup1:

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Dude...I got out in 2000, and i got my first job "back" on base in 2005. It took me awhile. I hope you do get a job on base....if thats what you want. I'm kinda missing not being affiliated with the bases though. Just tell me who was turning you down for the jobs, and i'll break thier kneecaps with great enthusiasm.

SexWax, did you live in the USA from 2000-2005? or did you scrape by on rice and nodles in a shoebox apt off base?

I am disabled and retired from the Army, there is no way I could do it physically trying to live in Oki without SOFA.

But if you lived in the USA, just like many of us do and are trying to get back to OKI w/SOFA, then CONGRATS!

again, back to the main topic...

“Within the local commuting distance of…”

That is what makes me mad, the UNITS are broke, becuse all the $ is going to the war, (Yeah, I agree, priorities, I am not taking something away from a PVT that needs it) but come on, why do the UNITS have to pay for PCS expenses, lets go back to DOD paying for it and allow more people to get over there, who WANT TO BE THERE!

Peace!:crying:

[Sex Wax]

SexWax, did you live in the USA from 2000-2005? or did you scrape by on rice and nodles in a shoebox apt off base?

I am disabled and retired from the Army, there is no way I could do it physically trying to live in Oki without SOFA.

But if you lived in the USA, just like many of us do and are trying to get back to OKI w/SOFA, then CONGRATS!

again, back to the main topic...

“Within the local commuting distance of…”

That is what makes me mad, the UNITS are broke, becuse all the $ is going to the war, (Yeah, I agree, priorities, I am not taking something away from a PVT that needs it) but come on, why do the UNITS have to pay for PCS expenses, lets go back to DOD paying for it and allow more people to get over there, who WANT TO BE THERE!

Peace!:crying:

no...i never left Okinawa, i "sepp'd on Island...for awhile...I lived on the local cuisine...and the occasional trip to Jimmy's to get some Cheese Whiz and Ragu...lol. I hope y'all that want to get back here, do get back here. It was by no means easy for me to live on the local economy. But if y'all do get back here, look me up....i'll through a B-B-Q.

[SGT_OKINAWA]

no...i never left Okinawa, i "sepp'd on Island...for awhile...I lived on the local cuisine...and the occasional trip to Jimmy's to get some Cheese Whiz and Ragu...lol. I hope y'all that want to get back here, do get back here. It was by no means easy for me to live on the local economy. But if y'all do get back here, look me up....i'll through a B-B-Q.

Sex Wax,

Oh I would so love to eat at that BBQ! Sounds great!

I understand now, you never left, and I commend you for sticking it out, you have gotten a SOFA job right? Congrats! That is one avenue of approach to getting a SOFA job on Okinawa. :D

In my case, like I said, with my 80% rated VA disability level, I can't physically do it, otherwise, yeah I would have taken the same route you did,...but on a positive note however.

By coming back to the USA, I know for a fact, I would have never advanced my career, as much as I have now and taken / taking classes like I have now. Also the VA has really helped us with things that I know I would not have gotten done in Okinawa, they are not really set up as well to cater to the disabled veterans. As much as I have done with the VA, I feel good and confident that this was the right choice, just that....

I am all done with the VA stuff, the career stuff, and still working on the classes part, so I feel it is time to get back, I mean 7 + years is along time to be away from Okinawa, it probably does not look at all the same.

Did they eve put a highway out in the ocean yet to help with the HWY 58 traffic?

Peace! :army:

[ks4985]

Department of Defense employment positions advertised on:

http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/
and
http://www.cpol.army.mil/
etc.

“Must be within the local residing distance of (insert base / post / fort name on Okinawa here)”

What this translates to is; the unit can not afford to hire an American from the United States and send / bring him / her over to Okinawa under a SOFA status. So the unit puts the above statement in the job description and… Gee let’s see, who would be “Within local residing distance”? Dependant husbands and wives already on Okinawa! That is BS! All positions should be open to all U.S. Citizens in Okinawa or the USA or around the world and the U.S. Government should be paying for the PCS move, not the units.

So let see now, with this you get some half educated fat ass dependant that is going to get a job that they will work at for 2 years until their spouse gets orders to leave Okinawa and then it starts all over again. Instead why don’t the units spend a bit more money (Ok a lot more money in some cases) and get someone dedicated and more educated / experienced to do the job and stay on Okinawa and want to be in / on Okinawa.

Gurrrrr. :mad:

Peace! :army:


im not exactly sure what you mean when you are saying units...but that's just how the government works...it's frustrating and annoying but probably wont change. There are many things that the government does or doesn't do that make zero sense. I work at one of the clubs as a manager and am constantly trying to suggest things to make it better...the answer is usually no b/c there are too many rules...too many ins and outs of regulations that we cant do so many things. I know how annoying it can be...

P.S. I know that more than a few dependents are undeserving...but we all aren't...i never wanted to be a military spouse for that reason....b/c the reputation of one isn't so nice...and honestly only 2 military wives i've met were even worth talking to...but we all aren't fat, lazy, and stupid

[ks4985]

oh and sorry if i read too much into what you were saying...but that was my interpretation of what part your original post was saying

[Oki alumni]

oh and sorry if i read too much into what you were saying...but that was my interpretation of what part your original post was saying


Five points "veteran's preference" and "disability rating" don't mean a DAMN thing when you're overseas. IF you are lucky enough to get one of the piddling ass little jobs that are totally rejected by "dependent spouses", you won't be able to work for more than 5 years at it, UNLESS you become someone's teacher's pet. Housing for local hires????? Forget it! The other "bennies"....if you're a retiree, ... a Y plate for your car, and you can use the post-office and bank. Everything else you're already authorized to use.

Rumor has it, that the problem began several years back when a bunch of "Mrs Colonel General Major Captains" complained to their senators/congressmen, that ALL the jobs were being taken by prior military......boo hoo hoo...it just IS NOT FAIR!!!!! Sooooooooo now.....you know the drill...back of the bus idiot, and don't even THINK about applying for a civil service job...silly YOU...stupid YOU. You KNOW that spouses EARNED the right to take those jobs!!!!! VRA, etc., does NOT apply (for the USAF) in PACAF by order of the (civilian run) civilian personnel office at HQ PACAF Hickam AFB, Hawaii...so THERE!

-Oki Alumni:old:

[SGT_OKINAWA]

:crying:

It is so sad, not just for me, but to all Disabled Veterans, or Veterans period, that the American people have downgraded the Disabled veterans to equal a tag along spouse.

Some day, the minorities in society will be the majorities and the Majorities will be the minorities, to bad I will not live long enough to see the turn around.

:thumbdown:

Peace!:army:

[Tanimaga]

Sorry your having a hard time of it SGT.

I've seen too many undeserving folks get jobs that just toss cash at them, while the talented ones scrape by. Then I think, do I really want a position that hires people based on boot licking ability, so I have to work harder while they blow the boss in the backroom?

Maybe the talented local folks on JU can get their heads together, and get something rolling. Undercut the established kingdoms and send the overpaid jerkwads packing to work as Walmart greeters.

Then send for SGT_OKINAWA to join us..?!

[Son Kokujin]

I, too, am really taking it in the teeth here...after a year of searching, I found two part-time jobs, but after fuel costs, bills, etc...you get the idea.

Being a veteran doesn't mean much, especially here...

[Tanimaga]

I, too, am really taking it in the teeth here...after a year of searching, I found two part-time jobs, but after fuel costs, bills, etc...you get the idea.

Being a veteran doesn't mean much, especially here...

Doesn't mean a whole lot in the US as well. I applied to a communications company after I got out.. still had my TS clearance, and was ready to work. I practically got laughed at, and a lady told me "We don't consider military experience and training adequate enough."

I wondered to myself how she would sound with a German accent..

[Son Kokujin]

I wonder if she would have changed her tune if some crazed terrorist attacked her, and a service member saved her bacon? Quite disheartening...

[Asshat]

Sorry, but this sounds like a bunch of whining. I have already explained the cost factors involved and the types of positions available.

I also know a lot of people live here on wife's say-so (gaijin torokusho) and while they aren't making squat, they are making it. I have respect for those guys.

I would hesitate to hire someone who constantly bitches about the system without putting his neck out there.

I wouldn't waste my time offering a non-SOFA job at 24K per year to someone in the USA either. Yet I have a long list of qualified spouses to fill those positions.

USA jobs lists the positions here with SOFA/Transportation. There are scant few. Gotta be able to pick up the easy meat with your eyes closed.

[Taz T]

Just to quick comment, I have been separated for a year and ten months now. I have and still searching for positions that offer SOFA. Having it would be a blessing, but I have accepted the fact that searching for SOFA is difficult. I have managed to work with On-Time Staffing and Plenty Staff in order to work 40 hours a week. I am going to school full time as well. Time sucks, but it can only get better. I am not that bad off where I would be surviving off of rice and noodles and live in a shoebox appartment. Talk about stereotyping. Anyhow, anything and everything possible. Just today, I met a retired master sergeant that worked for plenty staff for quite some time. He was finally able to get his foot in the door. That, to me, is very admirable. Again, for those that choose not to jump into reality and take the plunge with life, you have already set yourself up for failure. Good luck with the job search as I will continue to do so as well. Keep your head up.

[Old Timer]

Just to quick comment, I have been separated for a year and ten months now. I have and still searching for positions that offer SOFA. Having it would be a blessing, but I have accepted the fact that searching for SOFA is difficult. I have managed to work with On-Time Staffing and Plenty Staff in order to work 40 hours a week. I am going to school full time as well. Time sucks, but it can only get better. I am not that bad off where I would be surviving off of rice and noodles and live in a shoebox appartment. Talk about stereotyping. Anyhow, anything and everything possible. Just today, I met a retired master sergeant that worked for plenty staff for quite some time. He was finally able to get his foot in the door. That, to me, is very admirable. Again, for those that choose not to jump into reality and take the plunge with life, you have already set yourself up for failure. Good luck with the job search as I will continue to do so as well. Keep your head up.

Jobs a plenty in mainland. Get off "Gecko Island" matey!!

[Oki alumni]

Jobs a plenty in mainland. Get off "Gecko Island" matey!!

Save yerself a trip Old Timer...jobs are EXTREMELY scarce here too...ESPECIALLY the SOFA types. When I finally landed my last (and last in my career) SOFA job, it was because of sheer stubbornnes!!! I honestly think the people at Civilian Personnel got tired of seeing me, and were running out of space to put another application for another job. Even then, I settled for a job that was far beneath my abilities, but food on the table beats out pride everytime.

-Oki Alumni:old:

[Son Kokujin]

Didn't mean to come off as whining...in hindsight, having two part-time jobs and a car is a lot better than having NO jobs and no car at all...you guys are right...I gotta keep my head up. And gas is down to 160 yen a liter! Not bad.

[Mapit8888]

I am just glad that they finally made them start paying post allowance.

[vvloc]

But for we civilians, it's a never ending struggle.

[dk]

Might sound horrible for me to say, but I'm really against the idea of giving jobs away to someone just because they have military experience....

[vvloc]

I do stock market portfolio management, but with the economy what it is, I've not only had to lower my rates, but have added on significant amounts of medical editing (also at reduced rates) - still 50% below what I was making 2 years ago.

[P_chan]

Might sound horrible for me to say, but I'm really against the idea of giving jobs away to someone just because they have military experience....

I agree with you on that one. It should be given to the person who is most qualified to do the job.

[Oki alumni]

Might sound horrible for me to say, but I'm really against the idea of giving jobs away to someone just because they have military experience....

LOL, why NOT? Jobs are being given away just because someone is MARRIED to an active duty military. I still think it should be "BEST qualified", with the military man/woman getting the job if all other things are TOTALLY equal.

-Oki Alumni (Might not mean much to you NOW.....)

[dk]

LOL, why NOT? Jobs are being given away just because someone is MARRIED to an active duty military. I still think it should be "BEST qualified", with the military man/woman getting the job if all other things are TOTALLY equal.
If all other things are TOTALLY equal, then the civilian is barely trained/educated in his field... He should have joined the military or pursued an Associates to begin with. And in that case, depending on the location, I'd agree. In corporate America, I think it should be an equal playing field. In corporate America, I'd never hire someone over a civilian just because they had active duty experience--especially in the IT field.

[dk]

"military experience"= Ability to follow orders(do what the hell you are told and don't ask any damn questions)
and the ability to keep things neat and organized( Cleaning,swabbing basically field day) :D
Doesn't take military service to know one's place or to learn organizational skills... I always looked up to the military more for it's discipline, even though there are a few bad apples.

If I were to ever join the military (HIGHLY unlikely, it'd be to strengthen my self-discipline, not to acquire technical skills).

[Oki alumni]

You read too much into my post:clear19:
I was poking fun at the fact that "military service" these days does not really hold weight like it once did.
discipline can also rest with any individual,does not necessarily have to "instilled" and even instilling discipline is not always a success(I don't have to elaborate just read the news)
and organizational skills that i learned in the military still don't make much sense today but i guess by not making sense it makes perfect sense :scratchchin::-|:D

LOL, that left me x-I'd (cross eyed)...but thanks...I think...anyway.

-Oki Alumni:old:

[Odie]

Every morning when I wake up at 4 A.M to go to my job, I rub my hands and cackle evilly thinking about how I stole a job from Sgt. Okinawa. Ahhh, feels so goooood to be a "tag along spouse"!!

[Oki alumni]

Every morning when I wake up at 4 A.M to go to my job, I rub my hands and cackle evilly thinking about how I stole a job from Sgt. Okinawa. Ahhh, feels so goooood to be a "tag along spouse"!!:barf::thumbdown:

LOL, maybe a good dose of the I-95 song would do ya good, Odie...I'll recommend the Jimmy Buffet version in your case!:smile4:

-Oki Alumni:old:

[Old Timer]

Save yerself a trip Old Timer...jobs are EXTREMELY scarce here too...ESPECIALLY the SOFA types. When I finally landed my last (and last in my career) SOFA job, it was because of sheer stubbornnes!!! I honestly think the people at Civilian Personnel got tired of seeing me, and were running out of space to put another application for another job. Even then, I settled for a job that was far beneath my abilities, but food on the table beats out pride everytime.

-Oki Alumni:old:

I'm about 30 miles from you...used to commute from Fussa down here until 2005...Been here in mainland since 1994.....plenty of jobs where I'm at...not tight ass Yokota, and anal restrictive A.F.


:w00t:

[Old Timer]

.................Just counted 29 vacancies/ local between Atsugi & Yokosuka.......including NAF/ MWR...:20a::20a::20a::20a::20a:

[Old Timer]

Doesn't take military service to know one's place or to learn organizational skills... I always looked up to the military more for it's discipline, even though there are a few bad apples.

If I were to ever join the military (HIGHLY unlikely, it'd be to strengthen my self-discipline, not to acquire technical skills).


Agreed....but the Officer/ Senior Enlisted in charge is going to eye ballin your act, and questioning his judgements. "The civilian...... or..... the retired CWO/ LDO/ SNCO who used to do this job....somebody that does not have to be burped and spoon fed to understand military protocol, and my little signs of apprehension, ass kissing needed, balls polished..........my.....my brown noser go getter!!!!"

Get the picture, Oh and go get a haircut...shave dammit!!!:old:

[dk]

Get the picture, Oh and go get a haircut...shave dammit!!!:old:
Sure, right after you guys get yer edumacation. :w00t:

[Odie]

It's hilarious how many people like to think that all military spouses are complete idiots. I think some people would be surprised to learn how highly educated and how much experience in their fields many of them have. In fact, both of my co-workers are college graduates, one has her Master's degree.

I see people complaining about the advantage given to dependents here on Okinawa but I bet they wouldn't want the playing field leveled either. Sounds like they want preferences to exist, but only as long as it benefits them.

I say level the playing field, no more preference for any group, wouldn't that be better?

What makes this whole thread particularly amusing is that right after I was hired my boss told me how I interviewed so well that they basically made up their mind on the spot. He also went on to say, that many vets have issues with spouses being hired over them. He told me a story about a vet who interviewed with him who went into the interview spouting off about how he was the perfect person for the job and how it was meant to be. He wasn't hired though, not because of the boogey spouse who steals all the jobs, but because he was rude and abrassive.. imagine that.

[dk]

It's hilarious how many people like to think that all military spouses are complete idiots. I think some people would be surprised to learn how highly educated and how much experience in their fields many of them have. In fact, both of my co-workers are college graduates, one has her Master's degree.

I see people complaining about the advantage to given to dependents here on Okinawa but I bet they wouldn't want the playing field leveled either. Sounds like they want preferences to exist, but only as long as it benefits them.

I say level the playing field, no more preference for any group, wouldn't that be better?
Hell yeah. It'd be funny as shit! :thumbup:

[DoctorP]

Level the playing field? Wouldn't matter. Spouses were complaining that they couldn't get jobs...that is what brought about the spouse preference. Had they been the best qualified then where was the problem?

[Old Timer]

It's hilarious how many people like to think that all military spouses are complete idiots. I think some people would be surprised to learn how highly educated and how much experience in their fields many of them have. In fact, both of my co-workers are college graduates, one has her Master's degree.

I see people complaining about the advantage given to dependents here on Okinawa but I bet they wouldn't want the playing field leveled either. Sounds like they want preferences to exist, but only as long as it benefits them.

I say level the playing field, no more preference for any group, wouldn't that be better?

What makes this whole thread particularly amusing is that right after I was hired my boss told me how I interviewed so well that they basically made up their mind on the spot. He also went on to say, that many vets have issues with spouses being hired over them. He told me a story about a vet who interviewed with him who went into the interview spouting off about how he was the perfect person for the job and how it was meant to be. He wasn't hired though, not because of the boogey spouse who steals all the jobs, but because he was rude and abrassive.. imagine that.
Seriously, only fools think of spouses that way. I feel if a service member or civilian limits his job area to Okinawa, he or she is actually limiting his or her own horizon. Most service industry jobs and administrative support positions require higher education and skills a lot of the “cannon cockers, or truck drivers don’t have. Retired 05 / 06 not needing the benefits of LQA or housing transportation packages handle high-level positions in Okinawa (Local only YC2 / YC3). A current YC03 job was handed locally for $82,000 no bennies. A retired 05 Marine got the job. Qualified spouses should get the jobs requiring 21st century skills, not the gun dummies. They are the most qualified, and can get be hired at low $$.

[Bones]

As posted by Old Timer:

Agreed....but the Officer/ Senior Enlisted in charge is going to eye ballin your act, and questioning his judgements. "The civilian...... or..... the retired CWO/ LDO/ SNCO who used to do this job....somebody that does not have to be burped and spoon fed to understand military protocol, and my little signs of apprehension, ass kissing needed, balls polished..........my.....my brown noser go getter!!!!"

Get the picture, Oh and go get a haircut...shave dammit!!!

This is the only problem that I have with what you have posted:

the retired CWO/ LDO/ SNCO who used to do this job....somebody that does not have to be burped and spoon fed to understand military protocol, and my little signs of apprehension, ass kissing needed, balls polished..........my.....my brown noser go getter!!!!"


The problem with people like the ones that you have mentioned, tend to behave like they did in the military. They have a cup of coffee in their hands, they brag about what rank/position they held in the military, and they spend all day in chat forums, or shopping at the various exchanges when they should be working. But when it gets down to getting their hands dirty, and actually doing the the job that they were hired to do, forget about it.

On the junior enlisted side, you hire a kid with four years of military service because his resume proclaims that this person has the skill set needed for the job. The problem with this group of people is that you either have to fire them, since now you expect them to actually earn their money, or spend endless hours counseling these people about wanting too much time off. They seem to think that since they worked their behind's off in the military you owe them something. Most of the time these people couldn't handle life in the military, did a poor job, and were not eligible for re-enlistment.

I've worked as a contractor for 10 years, after my 20 some years in the military, so I know what I'm talking about in this regard.

You seem to think that the go getter's are there simply to lick your genitalia. These people are few and in between, and these are the ones that I would be targeting for employment. You can recognize these types by taking a look at your staff, and seeing who is not present during your frequent smoke/ coffee/ shopping breaks.

They may not be the boss, like yourself. They are the ones making you look good. And they deserve your respect. If it wasn't for them, you wouldn't have a job either.

I may be way out of line here, but the way that you have worded your response, you sound like a coffee drinking slob, who is only employed due to the fact that your a member of the "Old-Boys Club".

Bones:thumbdown:

[Odie]

One of the many reasons that military spouses encounter difficulties finding jobs is that they move so very often. Many employers are extremely reluctant to hire someone who is only going to work for them for a few years then move on. As an employer you may pass on the best qualified candidate and pick the 2nd best if you know they will be leaving you shortly.

I personally don't think the people whinning up a storm for the umpteenth time on this issue would want the playing field leveled.

[Old Timer]

As posted by Old Timer:



This is the only problem that I have with what you have posted:



The problem with people like the ones that you have mentioned, tend to behave like they did in the military. They have a cup of coffee in their hands, they brag about what rank/position they held in the military, and they spend all day in chat forums, or shopping at the various exchanges when they should be working. But when it gets down to getting their hands dirty, and actually doing the the job that they were hired to do, forget about it.

On the junior enlisted side, you hire a kid with four years of military service because his resume proclaims that this person has the skill set needed for the job. The problem with this group of people is that you either have to fire them, since now you expect them to actually earn their money, or spend endless hours counseling these people about wanting too much time off. They seem to think that since they worked their behind's off in the military you owe them something. Most of the time these people couldn't handle life in the military, did a poor job, and were not eligible for re-enlistment.

I've worked as a contractor for 10 years, after my 20 some years in the military, so I know what I'm talking about in this regard.

You seem to think that the go getter's are there simply to lick your genitalia. These people are few and in between, and these are the ones that I would be targeting for employment. You can recognize these types by taking a look at your staff, and seeing who is not present during your frequent smoke/ coffee/ shopping breaks.

They may not be the boss, like yourself. They are the ones making you look good. And they deserve your respect. If it wasn't for them, you wouldn't have a job either.

I may be way out of line here, but the way that you have worded your response, you sound like a coffee drinking slob, who is only employed due to the fact that your a member of the "Old-Boys Club".

Bones:thumbdown:


Nope...Explaining the mind set of the Officers usually involved in the hiring cycle, specific USMC on Okinawa. Not me, not involved. my office is all MLC/ 2 USCS mainland Japan. The nuts being licked are not mine! Look for these " ". Observe please. No offense taken.

[DoctorP]

One of the many reasons that military spouses encounter difficulties finding jobs is that they move so very often. Many employers are extremely reluctant to hire someone who is only going to work for them for a few years then move on. As an employer you may pass on the best qualified candidate and pick the 2nd best if you know they will be leaving you shortly.

I personally don't think the people whinning up a storm for the umpteenth time on this issue would want the playing field leveled.

Last time I checked, you are not allowed to ask during an interview if someone is a spouse or not...and if they did ask, I would hope that the one being interviewed would be smart enough not to answer "yes".

[Odie]

Last time I checked, you are not allowed to ask during an interview if someone is a spouse or not...and if they did ask, I would hope that the one being interviewed would be smart enough not to answer "yes".

No you are not supposed to ask that, however when you look at someones CV and you see that they have worked at 4-5 different jobs in the last 10 years it becomes pretty damn obvious that the person probably won't be sticking around for long.

Also, while employers are not supposed to ask that, they DO on occasion ask that and other unrelated and or inapropriate questions during interviews. So if the person being interviewed refuses to answer, what do you think that would do to any chances they had of being hired with the kind of employer who would ask that sort of question.

[Bones]

As posted by Old Timer:

Nope...Explaining the mind set of the Officers usually involved in the hiring cycle, specific USMC on Okinawa. Not me, not involved. my office is all MLC/ 2 USCS mainland Japan. The nuts being licked are not mine! Look for these " ". Observe please. No offense taken.


Ok, cool.

[DoctorP]

No you are not supposed to ask that, however when you look at someones CV and you see that they have worked at 4-5 different jobs in the last 10 years it becomes pretty damn obvious that the person probably won't be sticking around for long.

Also, while employers are not supposed to ask that, they DO on occasion ask that and other unrelated and or inapropriate questions during interviews. So if the person being interviewed refuses to answer, what do you think that would do to any chances they had of being hired with the kind of employer who would ask that sort of question.

If you can't figure out a way around that dilemma (multiple jobs in multiple years), then perhaps you are not the best qualified applicant.

As far as the questions...if you don't get the job, and you suspect it is because of that...don't you know what you should do?

[Odie]

If you can't figure out a way around that dilemma (multiple jobs in multiple years), then perhaps you are not the best qualified applicant.

As far as the questions...if you don't get the job, and you suspect it is because of that...don't you know what you should do?

Qualifications for a job are not traditionally measured in how long you are able to continue the employment relationship. I've yet to ever see a job which delineates that the employee work with the employer for a certain amount of time. Unless ofcourse there is some sort of contractual obligation but that is not what is being addressed here.

Furthermore, having worked at for a state unemployment agency for almost 8 years I can tell you that filing a claim against an employer on that sort a premise is a huge waste of time, try proving it.

Also, I haven't personally encountered any of these problems. I have been employed since I was 17 and only became unemployed when I moved to Okinawa when I married my husband.

[DoctorP]

I would imagine a spouse moving and changing jobs every 3-4 years can't be much different than interviewing someone who did 4-8-12-16 or even 20 years in the military and is interviewing with no real work background, and probably no good leads for character or work contacts (since officers move about as often). But I do understand your point.

[Old Timer]

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Ok, cool.

Thanks! Nevertheless, there is one more big point to make. Okinawa has about 25,000 spouses to choose from for limited jobs. Sellers market, lowest bid is hired. Probably over qualified. Mainland is 180 degree in differences. At my location, the stateside hires are a big problem. They are never interviewed, have 20 plus years experience gaming the USCS system. The Command spends 40% of their time chasing them down, 40% running down stupid Sailor acts, 10% Officer Protocol/ admin stuff. I know exactly what they want and when, my shit is done on time or before and I skate big time. The next big problem is HRO that is awash in bullshit. Jobs stay open for months before any action or certs are filed. Okinawa does most of their hiring and firing locally, in house. Big Time Old Boys network. I know people still at MCB who were there when I was on my last “Unit Rotation" as a MSGT in 1988. I know the system, the bullshitters and the way the Zeros (Officers) get f*@ked without a reach around. Grab your ankles! :barf: