could the universe began with complete zero?

[cohen avshalom]

could the universe began with complete zero-without any energy or mass?

could area converent for energy?


cohen avshalom charly
israel /haifa

[socalheart]

(o.O) Uhm... I don't know. Ian? tP? dk?

what an odd yet thought proking question...

[cohen avshalom]

thank you
but ????

[socalheart]

Oh, I don't know the answer. I was trying to keep the thread near the top incase one of our teacher type members had something on it. I'm more curious about what they come up with really.

[ststephen65]

i hate the universe

[ststephen65]

naw just kidden, hey dk, can you get a kitchen pass sat-sun. theres some sweet things afoot

[ststephen65]

secret squirrel type things..........lets just say secret mountain top location....

[cohen avshalom]

ststephen65:
ok-i didnt wrote my thought in hard way-and even people who has very little knowelge about the sience can understand what i was writting-so you can try if you like to read what i was writting at:
www.icarus5.com
and hope you will remark for good or for bad....


cohen avshalom charly
israel /haifa
:army::army::army:

[ststephen65]

im having a hard time with this

[ststephen65]

i think it just has always been that way

[Ammoyankee]

Ummmm, I struggle with 4th grade math!

[Asshat]

No, the universe began with a bang, some 13 billion years ago. It has been expanding ever since then. Galaxys continue to drift further and further apart, and the interesting thing is that space is also expanding.

The energy to cause this was anything but "nothing." FYI, there are two nearer galaxys to our Milky Way, (Andromeda and another one I forget) that are drifting into the Milky Way. Gravity is causing that.

[socalheart]

This drifts into the Creationists vs. Evolutionists arena. Creationists vs. Bangers debate? heh. Even "zero" is something of an absolute theory kinda. Science isn't really my thing to know, but I find it interesting.

[Asshat]

This drifts into the Creationists vs. Evolutionists arena. Creationists vs. Bangers debate? heh. Even "zero" is something of an absolute theory kinda. Science isn't really my thing to know, but I find it interesting.

The question was asked from a scientific view by someone who is interested in astronomy. Obviously, it is some sort of a bait, and I walked into it.

Who do I believe about the origina of the universe, the mail order preacher of a few MIT grads working at the JPL? :)

The distances in space are so vast that Hubbel is looking at events that happened 13 billion years ago. The light from those events just having reached the earth at a speed of 186,000 miles per second....and it took those 13 billion years to reach us.

Also....there is no "zero." Everything has matter, and scientists are now discovering "dark matter" because of light refraction of known events. This dark matter has been increasing in mass throughout the universe.

[Isaak Brodsky]

isn't the universe both expanding and slowing down - akin to the parts (or particles) of a bomb explosion? at least that's what i vaguely remember from physics in my second year of schooling.

[Mad Hatter]

I'll try to find where I heard this form, but I think that I read somewhere that the universe is expanding, but will collapse back on itself in the future. Like I said, I'll try to find where I read this

[ja_Patriot]

ststephen65:
ok-i didnt wrote my thought in hard way-and even people who has very little knowelge about the sience can understand what i was writting-so you can try if you like to read what i was writting at:
www.icarus5.com
and hope you will remark for good or for bad....


cohen avshalom charly
israel /haifa
:army::army::army:


From your article:
"If I speak of the exchange of area to energy as the same as mass to energy, the is no violation of the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics. We are talking about a change from one state to another."

Written in Sept 2006 and updated last month.

Just curious. I know we quote Einstein occasionally in this forum, but from what you can see, we're mostly what we call "meat and potatoes" guys here with flashes of pedestrian philosophical brilliance plus some aspiring poets.

Welcome and I hope things are all right where you are.

What brings you to the JU forums in Okinawa, Japan, if I may ask?

[cohen avshalom]

ja_Patriot
every one can make changes-so even you can do that-you only should asking the right question-and you will make the first step-for that.
this is ok -for watching t.v-or not doing anythink-but i hope any one will find some time to do somethink else..
yes the universe need energy for stay in his figure-even more and more energy in every stage-but who can he could supply that more and more energy that he is need-only by exchanging area--->to energy.
else he was along time a go collapse-and could not save his shape.

most of the time you will hear the good remark -from some one that have no idea -this is because he has no initially idea-that will disturb-or will be obstruct by other idea.

keep remark-even if you are think this is not good.
this is ok by me.

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa

[ja_Patriot]

OK by me too. Come to the forums here anytime. Good luck with your studies.

[okisteve]

I'll try to find where I heard this form, but I think that I read somewhere that the universe is expanding, but will collapse back on itself in the future. Like I said, I'll try to find where I read this

Hurry up please.

[cohen avshalom]

it is could be.



cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
www.icarus5.com

[Isaak Brodsky]

Hurry up please.

Dear M.Hatter and Okisteve,

Check out the following site for a nice concise synthesis of the range of theories of the origins of the universe. Scroll down to "Historical descriptions of the cosmos"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmology

As you can see, the theories have really exploded in number and complexity since Copernicus' challenge to the Roman Catholics that earth's solar system is centered on our sun.

M.Hatter was likely refering to Friedmann's oscillating universe hypothesis.

[OkiDude]

could the universe began with complete zero-without any energy or mass?

could area converent for energy?


cohen avshalom charly
israel /haifa

????? what is that mean?