Everybody has a God and everyone worships something

[Boost]

It is my beliefs that like it or not, everyone has a God and everyone worships something. The thing is, that their particular God doesn't have to be a supreme deity. There are people whose God is money and that is what they worship. Or perhaps material things such as houses, cars, and the likes. Some people even look at other people as God and worship them. From Hollywood stars, famous authors, or famous people in history. Everyone has a God, and everyone worships something.

[TheNoNamedOne]

If you are going to define God and worship merely as devotion, then you are whitewashing what is meant by God according to those who believe it to be a deity, down to the mundane everyday and unimportant things in the scheme of the Universe -- Unless you think that devotion to one's car is equally important as devotion to God the deity. Therefore, they are not similar.

When people say I worship Barry Bonds -- he is my God, they do not have any of the supernatural baggage wrapped up in that statement or belief as do the religions that attempt to explain our purpose for being here do.

[Boost]

What I am saying is that even if you do not worship a deity, you are worshiping something with both your time and money, and are there by making it your God. People use to, and still do in many areas, worship statues and other earthly type items as an idol God. So the worship of other people and things is not that big of a stretch.

[TheNoNamedOne]

What I am saying is that even if you do not worship a deity, you are worshiping something with both your time and money, and are there by making it your God. People use to, and still do in many areas, worship statues and other earthly type items as an idol God. So the worship of other people and things is not that big of a stretch.

That is fine, Boost, and I don't think anyone is going to argue against you that people put high value on certain things that cause their full devotion to them. I know many fathers, who according to your use of the word "worship" and "God", worship their daughter and view her as their God. That is strange -- "I worship my daughter, and that makes her God -- or at least my god."

That is what I mean when I say you whitewash the meaning of the word worship and God if you try to draw a similarity between earthly things and supernatural things.

So, what is your point -- other than the fact you have used a marginal meaning of the word "God", which is listed as 3rd in meanings of use in Marriam-Webster?

For the most part, the common population use the word God and worship most commonly to mean belief in supernatural in a religious sense, most often organized in some way with dogma that seeks to explain and answer those things we do not know, and in the Abrahamic religions a sense of faith in Him, so much as to put our trust in Him.

[Boost]

I know many fathers, who according to your use of the word "worship" and "God", worship their daughter and view her as their God. That is strange -- "I worship my daughter, and that makes her God -- or at least my god."


Yes, that is an example among many. As weird as it is to look at it like that, anything you obsess over could conceivably be considered your God even if you do not view it as a deity or pray to it.


So, what is your point -- other than the fact you have used a marginal meaning of the word "God", which is listed as 3rd in meanings of use in Marriam-Webster?


Just that even if you don't believe there is a God in your life, there is. I understand majority of the time, the first thing you conjure up when thinking or speaking about God is a supreme being, but everyday people without realizing it substitute a supreme being with an earthly item. So what is the point in pointing that out? Ehh, thought it would make for some conversation. :)

Plus it's been a rough week without a lot of time for posting, so thought I would get back into it and throw that out there to see the response.

[TheNoNamedOne]

So what is the point in pointing that out? Ehh, thought it would make for some conversation.

lol.

Ok, but for clarity's sake, if one is obsessing over something, then "obsession" is the better word to choose and use in conversation so as to avoid misunderstanding.

Mary: "Sue, where is your husband, John?"
Sue: "Oh, he is in the attic with God showing Him his old military uniforms."

[bokuwa]

If you are going to define God and worship merely as devotion, then you are whitewashing what is meant by God according to those who believe it to be a deity, down to the mundane everyday and unimportant things in the scheme of the Universe -- Unless you think that devotion to one's car is equally important as devotion to God the deity. Therefore, they are not similar.

When people say I worship Barry Bonds -- he is my God, they do not have any of the supernatural baggage wrapped up in that statement or belief as do the religions that attempt to explain our purpose for being here do.


I had to say something after reading your statements.
"what is meant by God according to those who believe it to be a deity"
You are in line with the part about "according to those who believe it".

If someone or something wants to worship a stone or a tree as a god, they are wrong because?
It's not according to those who believe.

Used to be a lot of worship done for "things" stones,trees, water and on and on. Some still do to some parts of the world.;)

[P_chan]

I see what your trying to say boost but I don't think that if you have an obsession for something that makes it your god. It can run your life, much like religion does, but I wouldn't consdier it a god. Good point though I never really thought of it like that before.

I guess mine would be my wife then.

[Boost]

I see what your trying to say boost but I don't think that if you have an obsession for something that makes it your god. It can run your life, much like religion does, but I wouldn't consdier it a god. Good point though I never really thought of it like that before.


I'm sure I did a terrible job of trying to explain the thought / idea out. :rolleyes: Guess that's what happens when you go on a whim and throw something out there. Maybe it would have been better to say you worship something as if it were a God?


I guess mine would be my wife then.


Or just women in general :D

I am now going to go hide from the wife!

[InDuhUSA]

I certainly agree with Boost on this. Man has an innate desire to worship given to him by his creator, even if man does not believe in the existence of that creator. Those who deny that their obsession is an idol being worshipped have no understanding of what it means to worship. That which occupies your whole time and being, that which you live for, which you think about consistently is what is being worshipped.

People think that worship is bowing down to something and saying "I'm not worthy. Grant me my request oh great deity." That is not necessarily true. Worship simply entails devotion and service to the object of worship. Be that your wife, your car, your money, your job, sex, nose picking, whatever ....

I have never understood how anyone can look at a beautiful mountain or trees or a lake, which all appear to be done by intelligent design, and deny that there is something beyond us that had to have made all of this. How anyone can believe that this all came about through some subatomic explosion is beyond me. Never seen an explosion create anything. Seen it DESTROY many things, but never CREATE anything.

[dk]

I grew up Christian for the first 20 years of my life. I have every understanding of what it means to worship.

And I still disagree.

I don't see how you can believe that mountains and lakes appear to be done by intelligent design. Those two positively have perfectly natural explanations. Erosion. Tectonic movement. I think people WANT to believe that something far superior to us has it's hand in the creation of everything. I really don't and will never believe this.

To tell you the truth, I too am a creationist. I believe something created life as we know it. I believe man got their stories mixed up and created way too many religions. But I believe whatever created the world we live on allowed evolution to play it's part. I have no answers or proof, but we're all allowed to believe in our own fairy tales.

[InDuhUSA]

I grew up Christian for the first 20 years of my life. I have every understanding of what it means to worship.

And I still disagree.

I don't see how you can believe that mountains and lakes appear to be done by intelligent design. Those two positively have perfectly natural explanations. Erosion. Tectonic movement. I think people WANT to believe that something far superior to us has it's hand in the creation of everything. I really don't and will never believe this.

To tell you the truth, I too am a creationist. I believe something created life as we know it. I believe man got their stories mixed up and created way too many religions. But I believe whatever created the world we live on allowed evolution to play it's part. I have no answers or proof, but we're all allowed to believe in our own fairy tales.

The good thing about free societies like America and Japan is that you are free to embrace/reject any religious ideas and systems you wish. My thing though is that some day we are all going to die. What happens after that, many people are unsure of. To live without at least searching for the truth in this area puts one at serious risk if, say for example, Christians are correct and there is truly a place called HELL where one is sent to for rejecting their deity. I personally wouldn't want to wait until AFTER I die to find that out myself.

If evolution is true then one dies and after that, nothing. One ceases to exist. But if there is an intelligent deity that one will actually face after death, it would behoove us to know who that person is and find out how to get on that person's good side :D

[dk]

The threat of fire and brimstone to accept a religion. No thanks. I'll take my chances. Like I said, I've already spent 2/3 of my life in the Christian faith. I simply found it to be incorrect. We all make our own choices though.

[Mad Hatter]

to me that's the beauty of it... you have the chioce to pick and choose whatever you want to believe or disbelieve. To me... I don't think that your going to go to hell if you don't believe in God... I think that it's all about being a good person. Some people just live out thier lives in a good manner... you think that they're going to go to hell because they never went to church?

[Mad Hatter]

To live without at least searching for the truth in this area puts one at serious risk if, say for example, Christians are correct and there is truly a place called HELL where one is sent to for rejecting their deity. I personally wouldn't want to wait until AFTER I die to find that out myself.



The "truth"? Just be a good person, live a happy life and let the rest sort its self out. You know the diff between right and wrong?

Plus, what are you going to do if you really knew the truth... tell everyone? We call that a chruch... or the crazy house! But hey... someone is always right, who's it going to be? You worry about it... I'm going to have a beer.

[dk]

Is this the mad hatter I know? If it is, get me one too. :)

Just be a good person, live a happy life and let the rest sort its self out.
According to the bible, this isn't good enough to get you out of hell.

[Mad Hatter]

yeah yeah, you got it.. :)


I'll handle that bridge when I get to it..

[Isaak Brodsky]

Excellent post. I also agree with Boost. He poses some good questions and a really good answer.

Everyone has a god. Even atheism is an ideology serving as an idol that must be worshipped with efforts to prop up and legitimize. The most noted atheist on earth, Oxford biologist Richard Dawkins, has poured his life's energy and intellectual endowments into the defense of atheist doctrines.

[dk]

Everyone has a god. Even atheism is an ideology serving as an idol that must be worshipped with efforts to prop up and legitimize. The most noted atheist on earth, Oxford biologist Richard Dawkins, has poured his life's energy and intellectual endowments into the defense of atheist doctrines.
So what is your definition of a "god"?

Something that is worshipped? What do you mean by worshipped? Obsessed over? Because I doubt everybody obsesses over something. Most of us have hobbies and things we enjoy, but few of us have life ambitions that can be classified as a god. Or at least what I'd classify as a "god".

Or is this one of those Christian things like "having a personal relationship with Jesus" that you just won't understand unless you're a Christian?

I hardly think pondering over something equates to worship. I've been pondering how to fix something wrong with my installation of pdflib for the past month and a half, but I wouldn't say I've been worshipping it. In fact, I hate that damn product now.

And I doubt the guys upstairs who have been trying to get wireless internet up for the past week (since the typhoon ruined it) are worshipping the busted antenna.

So, is it just dedicating your energy and brainpower into something that makes it a god? Is there a certain time limit that needs to go into it? Can you worship something for 6 days?

I just don't see it. I don't think everyone has a god, but that's just me. And I don't spend much time anymore trying to disprove creation or prove evolution anymore. I have just come to an acceptance of what I believe to be true and roll with it. But I don't give it much thought anymore.

When I think "god", I think deity.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Excellent post. I also agree with Boost. He poses some good questions and a really good answer.

Everyone has a god. Even atheism is an ideology serving as an idol that must be worshipped with efforts to prop up and legitimize. The most noted atheist on earth, Oxford biologist Richard Dawkins, has poured his life's energy and intellectual endowments into the defense of atheist doctrines.

Ian, did you see my exchange with Boost on page 1 here that focused on the semantics of the words "worship" and "God"? I think dk was getting at the same thing.

I think this is what piques non Christians -- that Christians take the commonly used meanings of words, but then apply them to the very marginal meaning of them as if those meanings are on equal footing and usage with what most know them to be in their daily life and as is shown through their conversations with others.

Kind of like "bait and switch."

[P_chan]

So what is your definition of a "god"?

Something that is worshipped? What do you mean by worshipped? Obsessed over? Because I doubt everybody obsesses over something. Most of us have hobbies and things we enjoy, but few of us have life ambitions that can be classified as a god. Or at least what I'd classify as a "god".

Or is this one of those Christian things like "having a personal relationship with Jesus" that you just won't understand unless you're a Christian?

I hardly think pondering over something equates to worship. I've been pondering how to fix something wrong with my installation of pdflib for the past month and a half, but I wouldn't say I've been worshipping it. In fact, I hate that damn product now.

And I doubt the guys upstairs who have been trying to get wireless internet up for the past week (since the typhoon ruined it) are worshipping the busted antenna.

So, is it just dedicating your energy and brainpower into something that makes it a god? Is there a certain time limit that needs to go into it? Can you worship something for 6 days?

I just don't see it. I don't think everyone has a god, but that's just me. And I don't spend much time anymore trying to disprove creation or prove evolution anymore. I have just come to an acceptance of what I believe to be true and roll with it. But I don't give it much thought anymore.

When I think "god", I think deity.

Well said that is pretty much how I see it too.

If anything you put your time and money into is your god, well then I guess I worship automobiles!

[Isaak Brodsky]

Fair questions that deserve some thoughtful answers.

I'll try and be as thoughtful as I can with this. I'm using "god" in the metaphorical sense - as in my ex-wife is a real iceberg. Of course, I didn't know at the time we were together that she was actually cold and hard and that the most dangerous portions of her personality lurked beneath the surface out of plain view. It was only when she ran off with a wealthy lawyer and sunk me financially did I come to realize this about her.

"god" here, unlike "God," is meant only to represent those idols that we place before us, that occupy more time in our lives than, say, getting to know your neighbor, maintaining a good relationship with your spouse, teaching your child how to do math. I'm sure crack heads or alcoholics or workaholics don't think of the objects of their affections as gods, but these things are "gods" figuratively.

I kinda like the way Christ turned the original phrase that deals with the gods of our affections.

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Didn't mean to offend anyone with the previous post.

[dk]

You didn't offend anyone. :)

Fair questions that deserve some thoughtful answers.

I'll try and be as thoughtful as I can with this. I'm using "god" in the metaphorical sense - as in my ex-wife is a real iceberg. Of course, I didn't know at the time we were together that she was actually cold and hard and that the most dangerous portions of her personality lurked beneath the surface out of plain view. It was only when she ran off with a wealthy lawyer and sunk me financially did I come to realize this about her.

I understand it's metaphorical.

"god" here, unlike "God," is meant only to represent those idols that we place before us, that occupy more time in our lives than, say, getting to know your neighbor, maintaining a good relationship with your spouse, teaching your child how to do math. I'm sure crack heads or alcoholics or workaholics don't think of the objects of their affections as gods, but these things are "gods" figuratively.

I don't understand why anyone would choose the term "god" when it is COMPLETELY outside of the realm of a "God". It's confusing. It doesn't make sense. And I've never actually heard the term "god" used this way outside of Christian circles.

What is the limiting factor that determines if something is or isn't a god? Like I asked before, is there a certain amount of time? What amount of obsessive behavior is required before something can be called a "god"?

I kinda like the way Christ turned the original phrase that deals with the gods of our affections.

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Didn't mean to offend anyone with the previous post.
I still think the terminology is confusing/inadequate. Because if gods are treasures, then the word "treasures" would have been completely adequate. And if gods are objects or ideas you obsess over, then the phrase "objects and/or ideas you obsess over" would probably be more adequate, and would sound less like a deity.

I'm trying to make sense. I'm not the writer I used to be, unfortunately. And I'm a lot more distracted than I was in previous years. Bear with me.

[Boost]

I hardly think pondering over something equates to worship. I've been pondering how to fix something wrong with my installation of pdflib for the past month and a half, but I wouldn't say I've been worshipping it. In fact, I hate that damn product now.

And I doubt the guys upstairs who have been trying to get wireless internet up for the past week (since the typhoon ruined it) are worshipping the busted antenna.


These examples are different, because I am willing to bet that you or the IT people really do not want to spend that much time trying to get those things to work, but unfortunately you gotta do what you gotta do when it comes to getting the job done at work. That's what they pay you the fat checks for. :)

But I think the best way to figure out what the "god" in your life is, is to follow where you spend the majority of your personal time and money. So as P_Chan posted it could be his car, or your computer, spouse, children...just about anything. Not saying you should neglect those things by any means, but just showing examples of things that could be placed into the "god" category.

[TheNoNamedOne]

[COLOR=#505050][FONT=Verdana]These examples are different, because I am willing to bet that you or the IT people really do not want to spend that much time trying to get those things to work, but unfortunately you gotta do what you gotta do when it comes to getting the job done at work. That's what they pay you the fat checks for. :)

Boost, that is an interesting reply, however, it begs the question as to why you worship Jesus? Is it merely for the sake of worshiping Jesus? Or is there a reason other than that to do so that causes you to do it? Surely Christians worship Jesus so that they will be saved. That is the promise, or inducement that causes Christians to worship him. They have faith and hope that he will reward them with salvation.

Now, that may be hard work, just as IT people doing their thing. Christians doing good deeds like the Bible commands them to do may view that at times as hard and trying, and my indeed rather be out fishing with their sons, but they feel the need to do that which is commanded of them, no more than a boss or customers command IT people to do their deeds that need being done.

Your analogy has not separated the terms worship and god that Christians inacurately apply -- or at least how you are applying them in this thread topic.

[Isaak Brodsky]

Your analogy has not separated the terms worship and god that Christians inacurately apply -- or at least how you are applying them in this thread topic.

I agree that we sometimes conflate and, thus, confuse vaguely similar terms, i.e. language with speech.

Unsure, though, why these terms cited above must be separated. One term is a subject, the other a predicate. The analogy seems to hold up.

Christians worship God. :: Non-Christians worship gods.

Boost's point, seems to me, is that we all maintain some level of devotion to some object of affection. Christians call this object God. Christians also see other objects that receive human devotion as gods.

"Deity," incidentally, does not exclusively suggest the Christian sense of "God." Deities assume a range of forms.

As is typically the case, whenever God or politics becomes the object of a discussion, our feelings begin to seep in, cloud our thoughts, and create ambiguity.

The accuracy of Boost's original thread seems to be self-apparent -- that is if one allows figurative uses of the language to enter.

[atb35]

I have never understood how anyone can look at a beautiful mountain or trees or a lake, which all appear to be done by intelligent design, and deny that there is something beyond us that had to have made all of this. How anyone can believe that this all came about through some subatomic explosion is beyond me. Never seen an explosion create anything. Seen it DESTROY many things, but never CREATE anything.

First off, I am not making fun of, nor denouncing anyones beliefs. To each their own.

I would have to say, because it doesnt make sense. Evolution makes sense, it fits, it is proven. Where is there even a shred of proof that god took a pile of dirt and blew on it creating man? How did he create everything? There is nothing, not one piece of evidence other then 'The Bible'. The bible is ENTIRELY based on faith, as with all religion. If you believe in something so much that it drives you, that is awesome, but just understand it is faith driven, not reality. When science and real life proves something, how can you argue that? The earth, mountains, streams, lakes, oceans and everything else were a natural occurance, how anyone can not see that is beyond me.

[Muku]

that is awesome, but just understand it is faith driven, not reality.

However to those that believe faith is reality.

[Hollarey]

My head hurts!!

[socalheart]

I grew up going to the Church of the Nazarene (Wesleyan Methodist) here on island. I went with a group of other children from school. My parents were not churchy people. I stopped going to church during grade school. Instead of going back, I studied what I could about religion. I've met a lot of people who claimed to worship different deities; chiefly God, the Goddess, Buddha and Satan. The one thing all of them had in common was faith in something bigger than them. It was a long time for me to have faith as that found in religion. I still don't adhere to any one religion. I don't worship, per se, God, but I believe in the existence of a form of god and goddess. Some say that 90% of life happens to you, 10% of life you make happen. I like that theory so far.

[Isaak Brodsky]

... Evolution makes sense, it fits, it is proven. ...

Seriously, how does Evolution make sense??

How can anyone who has done any level of research on the matter still hold on to this utterly vacuous theory that life (animal and plant; sea, land and air) has emerged by its own will through natural forces (wind, rain, gravity) acting on some ancient molecule in some distant primordial pond? The evidence in this part of the Evolutionary myth has not been adequately substantiated - a death knell if we use the scientific method.

These sorts of observations, it seems, must have taken root in 10th grade biology class when puberty threatened to distract everyone from seriously investigating the theories that were and still are proffered as truths.

I'd suggest taking a more critical look at the philosophy of Evolution that supplies the intellectual foundation for your apparent blind faith in this theory. I know that when I was smart-ass know-it-all atheist grad student in the late '80s, I certainly held on to this belief.

If the theory is proven, I'm sure that this would be news to the world's most pre-eminent evolutionists. A significant and growing number of evolutionary biologists as well as other scientists are abandoning the theory. This is a statistic that is also easily verified.

[dk]

You're right. Evolution makes no sense. A perfect being took a bunch of mud and turned it into a man. And then that perfect being took that mud man's rib and made a woman. And that perfect being somehow created an imperfect world where even people who were not aware of said perfect being were condemned to hell even if they had no chance of finding out about said perfect being's son, who was magically inserted into a virgin.

Yeah, that theory makes a lot more sense huh.

[Isaak Brodsky]

You haven't really responded to my points.

Nevertheless, the sophomoric, over-simplified, thinly veiled effort in irony you've offered deserves some response.

Is it merely a coincidence that humans are cardon-based life forms, that we are made of the very stuff that we tread upon?

[dk]

Is it merely a coincidence that humans are cardon-based life forms, that we are made of the very stuff that we tread upon?
So, you think we're actually made of dirt?

[Isaak Brodsky]

I didn't say it, nor could I have imagined.

Scientific inquiries have only come to verify that animal and plant life are carbon-based.

The larger point, here, is that the original thread somehow seems lost.

[dk]

Feel free to guide it back on topic. A simple "back on topic" should do it. I replied to your post, so as far as I can tell, this is on topic. Perhaps not with the OP, but definitely with post #31.

Now, with evolution, is there any chance that life would be carbon based? I'm pretty sure the fact that we're carbon based life can't be used as supporting evidence for or against your side. Because it doesn't prove anything.

[Isaak Brodsky]

These are good questions that must receive fairly indepth answers to be satisfying and which would do justice to the subject. If you have some time and are interested in seeing the root of the present debate, have a look at the article here

http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/site/content/view/51/65/

[dk]

Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.

[CGoki]

Well if humans came about from just 2 people are we not all guilty of incest?

[dk]

Well if humans came about from just 2 people are we not all guilty of incest?
In a way, but not really.

[CGoki]

Why not? If the human race was started by just 2 individuals then we all share the same blood line if traced all the way back to the beginning of man. Of course the certain religious types will not agree to that, but then they go around believing that man was created by some supreme being and then that supreme being yoked a piece of bone from him and created a woman. Hmmm, if you think about it deeper, then that somehow can be translated into some form of hermaphroditism...I better stop. :D

Don't get mad anyone, just trying to bring some humor into it, even if that humor isn't quite comical to you.

[dk]

No, I know what you mean. I get it. I can't remember the exact reasoning, but after enough time, there is enough of a difference that it isn't considered incest.

I mean, is that guy across from you at work your relative? In a long, long way off sense, yeah perhaps you are related. I guess it depends on how far back you want to go.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I mean, is that guy across from you at work your relative? In a long, long way off sense, yeah perhaps you are related. I guess it depends on how far back you want to go.

Good point. And Carl Sagan in Cosmos stated going back far enough you will find your carbon atom in the nose of a dinasaur, or even before that lodged in a tree before it escaped and was absorbed later during the process of evolution.

[atb35]

Seriously, how does Evolution make sense??

How can anyone who has done any level of research on the matter still hold on to this utterly vacuous theory that life (animal and plant; sea, land and air) has emerged by its own will through natural forces (wind, rain, gravity) acting on some ancient molecule in some distant primordial pond?

Fact: Living creatures must come from other living creatures.
Fact: Non-living things cannot produce life.

Honestly, you dont need to go back any further then your two parents to prove this. The bottom line is we, as living creatures, came from some form of a living creature, not a mound of dirt. No super-omniscient being woke up one day and decided to build man.

If anyone chooses to believe they are the product of a pile of dirt, more power to you! They have great faith. Anyone that doesnt believe evolution is real I have no answer for you. Believing in evolution has nothing to do with faith and everything to do with common sense. Just because we cant trace the exact path of evolution; mainly due to the oh i dont know, millions of years it took, doesnt mean it isnt true.

[CGoki]

What about them? Technically they believe in the so-called Christian God as well, since Lucifer was an angel at one time. hahaha

[atb35]

If satan looked like Elizabeth Hurley, I would believe in the devil too!

[dk]

If satan looked like Elizabeth Hurley, I would believe in the devil too!
:first: for making me google her at work... Nice.

[CGoki]

If satan looked like Elizabeth Hurley, I would believe in the devil too!

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[DougP]

No, I know what you mean. I get it. I can't remember the exact reasoning, but after enough time, there is enough of a difference that it isn't considered incest.

I mean, is that guy across from you at work your relative? In a long, long way off sense, yeah perhaps you are related. I guess it depends on how far back you want to go.

Kinda like the royal family:rolleyes: But if it starts out as incest wouldn't things get a whole lot worse before the gene pool gets bigger?

[dk]

I don't know. The world didn't have as many diseases back during the dawn of man that it has now. At least that's what I heard. Who knows?! lol... we need a real expert on the topic in here.

[DougP]

so adam and eve had two sons right?

[dk]

And Eve and her sons GOT IT ON. I know this story. :p

[DoctorP]

If anyone chooses to believe they are the product of a pile of dirt, more power to you! They have great faith.

I've had days where I felt like a pile of dirt...does that count?:w00t:

[atb35]

so adam and eve had two sons right?

So this is showing that a certain religion is stating it is ok to be a homosexual?


The following video will prove once and for all that evolution IS true! We are the retarded offspring of five monkeys having buttsex with a fishsquirrel!


http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?ml_video=77709

[dk]

So this is showing that a certain religion is stating it is ok to be a homosexual?

The following video will prove once and for all that evolution IS true!

http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?ml_video=77709
Wow, I must have missed that South Park. What season is that? :ohmy:

[atb35]

Im not sure, i seen that clip while working in a hospital at night, nurse showed it to me and i was laughing the rest of the night.

[socalheart]

According to BibleGateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/), there's little mention of the daughters of men. It mostly mentions the sons of God. I only read Genesis chapters 4 through 10 as it pertained to who begat whom.

Genesis 5 (New Int'l version)
From Adam to Noah
1 This is the written account of Adam's line.
When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them "man. [a] " (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=5&version=31)

(Where was this thing when I had to cram for Bible class? Heh.)

[DougP]

I still doubt Adam was some white guy who resembled a blonde David Hasselhoff :) Jesus was Jewish right?

[CGoki]

Stop Doug, it's too much to take in. :D I've never seen any pictures of Adam, was he portrayed that way? I know for whatever reason Jesus is portrayed that way, sure Hitler would of loved him.

[dk]

Stop Doug, it's too much to take in. :D I've never seen any pictures of Adam, was he portrayed that way? I know for whatever reason Jesus is portrayed that way, sure Hitler would of loved him.
Adam would have looked like a mud man with a gaping hole in his chest where he had a rib taken from him in his sleep.

Or did god stitch him back together? I can't remember. I always figured that part was supposed to be more symbolic. Like God took some of adam's dna and made a woman... But hey! Maybe it was a rib!!! :dead:

[CGoki]

Adam would have looked like a mud man with a gaping hole in his chest where he had a rib taken from him in his sleep.

Or did god stitch him back together? I can't remember. I always figured that part was supposed to be more symbolic. Like God took some of adam's dna and made a woman... But hey! Maybe it was a rib!!! :dead:


Come on now you are talking about the supreme being that in 6 days created all that we know, but somehow dinosaurs or cavemen didn't exist in those 6 days. So he wouldn't need to stitch, he would just do. :thumbup1:

[dk]

Come on now you are talking about the supreme being that in 6 days created all that we know, but somehow dinosaurs or cavemen didn't exist in those 6 days. So he wouldn't need to stitch, he would just do. :thumbup1:
Like this?

http://images.contactmusic.com/images/reviews/et.jpg

Or was it more like Mr. Miyagi in Karate Kid?

[CGoki]

Like this?

http://images.contactmusic.com/images/reviews/et.jpg

Or was it more like Mr. Miyagi in Karate Kid?

:thumbup: either or take your pick. :first: I'm kind of partial to waxing on and waxing off myself.

[Talindra]

Not everyone has a god. in anyway you look at it, not everyone believes in something greater then human kind, supreme being or what not. not everyone has ambitions. At the end of the day not everyone has someone/something to turn to to make their life feel less pointless.
I for one can say i feel nothing. Nothing after we die. theres no one listening to you when you pray at night, or when you see a beautiful sight and wanna thank your god for creating a master piece.
But thats just me

[CGoki]

Hey Dougp
off topic but I thought the clitoris has been around long before 2007:confused:
Or is that the name of a club??!!

Come on now, take your mind out of the gutter, it's exactly as the pic shows. :first:

[CGoki]

I am gutter minded so that would be a difficult task!
I see the pic but only one thought comes to mind

:thumbup::first::thumbup::first:

[DougP]

Man when I look at the pic I think of a nut and a squirrel :)

[thistle]

I think I really cannot look at that picture anymore!

[Richard Burns]

I disagree. Not everyone has a god.

[RenaissanceMan]

Not everyone has a god. in anyway you look at it, not everyone believes in something greater then human kind, supreme being or what not. not everyone has ambitions. At the end of the day not everyone has someone/something to turn to to make their life feel less pointless.
I for one can say i feel nothing. Nothing after we die. theres no one listening to you when you pray at night, or when you see a beautiful sight and wanna thank your god for creating a master piece.
But thats just me

Sad, because you could.

[RenaissanceMan]

Indeed everyone worships something, or someone. God, devil, themselves. Actually worshipping yourself is the worst. A man left to himself and his own devices will destroy himself. At that point, even Satan does not have to tempt you anymore, God says that type of person will invent mischief with a progressive vain imaginations.

Also, regarding worship. According to the book of John Chapter 4, God is a spirit and those that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. In other words, worship is a spiritual act. Therefore the object of our worship is very important. Because it is a spiritual act is has spiritual benefits or consequences.

Again that is John 4. Jesus speaking to the Samaritan woman at the well.

[SnaFu]

Indeed everyone worships something, or someone. God, devil, themselves. Actually worshipping yourself is the worst. A man left to himself and his own devices will destroy himself. At that point, even Satan does not have to tempt you anymore, God says that type of person will invent mischief with a progressive vain imaginations.

Also, regarding worship. According to the book of John Chapter 4, God is a spirit and those that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. In other words, worship is a spiritual act. Therefore the object of our worship is very important. Because it is a spiritual act is has spiritual benefits or consequences.

Again that is John 4. Jesus speaking to the Samaritan woman at the well.

Hey RM... Glad to see your back! Thought something happened to you. Hope all is well. :)

Peace

[RenaissanceMan]

Hey RM... Glad to see your back! Thought something happened to you. Hope all is well. :)

Peace

Went to the Philippines to help a bit. So much cooler as a civilian. Did not see any troops, just a couple of foreignors on business trips, and then a few guys down there visiting their spouses hometowns.

[SnaFu]

That's cool man... That you were able to do that. It must have been a humble but rewarding experience.

This may sound like a stupid question but when you do work like that do you have to pick up the tab for air fare? The reason I ask is that I would like to do work like that from time to time when possible but simply can't afford the transportation costs on top of everything else here at home.

I really believe that you are a good man RM. Peace and God be with you...

[Sex Wax]

Worship is etymologically derived from Old English words meaning "worth-ship". Giving worth to something.[1] In its older sense in English of worthiness or respect (Anglo-Saxon,worthscripe), worship may on occasion refer to an attitude towards someone of immensely elevated social status, such as a lord or a monarch, or, more loosely, towards an individual, such as a hero or one's lover.

An expression of worship may be performed individually, or corporately within informal groups, or a formal meeting, or representatively, by a designated leader. Religious worship can occur in a variety of locations including houses, rented venues, out in the open, or in purpose-built structures identified as places of worship. Many religious traditions place an emphasis on regular worship and may organize meetings for the purpose at frequent intervals, often daily or weekly. Expressions of worship vary between faiths but typically include one or more of the following:
prayer; sacrifice; rituals; meditation; holidays, festivals; sacraments; pilgrimages; participatory or observed music or singing; dance; dining; fasting; public readings; listening to a public talk or sermon; the construction of temples or shrines; the creation of idols of the deity; private acts of devotion.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship

I worship Fire Head God Dude, nice butt's on the ladies, Cool sunsets, and Beer.

:w00t:

[RenaissanceMan]

That's cool man... That you were able to do that. It must have been a humble but rewarding experience.

This may sound like a stupid question but when you do work like that do you have to pick up the tab for air fare? The reason I ask is that I would like to do work like that from time to time when possible but simply can't afford the transportation costs on top of everything else here at home.

I really believe that you are a good man RM. Peace and God be with you...

Usually yes, I would get the tab on everything, but sometimes people sponsor missionairies and you don't pay for anything.. some churches actually use the mission fund that people give to every Sunday...LOL.

But the hard corps work is out in the sticks, reaching people where they are. Also, very amazingly lots of miracles and such take place on in places not so privileged as ours. It has always been that way. People's heart are more receptive to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and so God shows up does the miraculous. Here, and other 1st world countries, we are so used to making excuses why we don't need God, and talking about hypocrites all day, etc etc etc... so blesses people elsewhere far more than with us here.

[Sex Wax]

Does "praying to the porcelain God" count as worship?

[Trail]

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/b/blake/blake_great_red_dragon.jpg


http://answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Magazines/images/251Human_evolution.jpg

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv320/Themothia/Natural_Selection.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/dreddd2000/Motivational/Karma.jpg

[Biru San]

Does "praying to the porcelain God" count as worship?




Affirmative... They would be the Pisscopaleans :smile4:

[RenaissanceMan]

I worship Jesus Christ and I keep walking like I'm changed....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhLLnskkF88

[RenaissanceMan]

I worship Jesus Christ and I keep walking like I'm changed....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhLLnskkF88

[king ding a ling]

I worship Jesus Christ and I keep walking like I'm changed....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhLLnskkF88


cool i think everyone heard you the frist time. no need to double post also i did watch it and the frist part looks like some darker porn-o's ive seen. so i also think this could be posted to the funny videos thread :thumbup: