Sacred birthright to citizenship?

[TheNoNamedOne]

What is so special about the land between the political lines drawn up as borders within the United States that a child born there is automatically bestowed with citizenship as a birthright?

If I am not mistaken, the U.S. is the only country that views its land as "sacred" in this aspect of birth and citizenship. Other countries determine a child's citizenship through its parents nationalities with no consideration of place of birth.

Should the U.S. keep its traditional system of recognizing a person as a U.S. citizen based on being born within the U.S., or should it do away with that system and adopt citizenship laws based on the nationalities of the parents? Sure would seem to make it more concionable to deport whole illegal families knowing that even their newly born child is not a citizen.

Perhaps it is time to close the door on this part in our history where we view the land itself as having some kind of sacred power -- and in doing so close the door on others who view it as a good foothold to get themselves and their families into the U.S.

[Fonze]

Never, that is what makes america great and free. I was one of those children along with 65 cousins from my mom and dads bros and you know what we are all americans and contribute to it. Control the border but not that.

[Mad Hatter]

I don't think that you should be an American just because you were born in the United States. I think that America should follow suit for once with what the rest of the world is doing... America dropped the metric, and look were that got us... we shouldn't make the same mistake twice:thumbdown:

[kombu_kid]

I am for changing it, and I think it's just a matter of time until it is, depending on public opinion. If any of ya'll watched the Republican debate last night, you'd have seen what kind of priority is now being put on our borders. I'm just one of those "what's right is right" people, and I believe in order. Right now, there's no order in the U.S. as far as our borders or fiscal responsibility for that matter.

There are 10's of millions of good people all over this earth who'd love to live in the U.S.

[DougP]

We should all just get together and play a huge game of musical chairs... obviously we wont have enough chairs for everyone. And when the music stops whoever isn't sitting in a chair can GTFO! :D

[TheNoNamedOne]

Never, that is what makes america great and free. I was one of those children along with 65 cousins from my mom and dads bros and you know what we are all americans and contribute to it. Control the border but not that.

This policy of "give birth in the U.S. and your child is a citizen" is a magnate to the U.S. that puts strain on our efforts to control the border. Turn off the magnate and some part of the problem will decrease. And then I also geuss we will have fewer pregnant women getting lost in the desert and them and their fetuses dieing from thirst and heat stroke. No reason on our end to encourage them to risk their lives to undertake such a dangerous gamble.

[Fonze]

Thats why were america and not the rest of the world. It will eventually happen maybe not in the next 50 years though but it will. Im still against that though.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Thats why were america and not the rest of the world. It will eventually happen maybe not in the next 50 years though but it will. Im still against that though.

You don't want America to be a country where the social services break down due to high costs of illegal immigrants do you? Or perhaps you are for raising taxes to pay for hospitals to keep treating illegal immigrants because those illegals cannot pay the costs? And after that keep raising taxes to pay for all the other costs that illegals cause.

If we want to stay robust and strong and benefit from the skills that immigrants have to offer, we can still do so by increasing our immigrant quota. It isn't that sacred birthright of citizenship that makes the U.S. great, it has been her luck in geography and abundant natural recourses that have done so. The minds and skills of citizens and immigrants build on that. But, stopping preggos from giving birth in the desert sand on this side of the border is not going to destroy America's position in the world.

[Asshat]

Oh shite, Fonze the conservative has taken a liberal stance on immigration! :D

[Fonze]

Oh shite, Fonze the conservative has taken a liberal stance on immigration! :D

Not completely but i do believe they should give all those here now a path to citizenship but thats it. Anyone else that comes after should be deported. The border should be damn near locked down on both fronts and the ocean that means no more asians or africans either. Raise the limit of immigrants per year and keep order.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Interesting, Fonze. But don't you see how keeping it so that being born in the U.S. it attracts preggos to give birth here and use that to try and get their foot in the door? Why not do away with the magnate incentive in this case?

Or, perhaps we should set up food and water stations all across the border so that people do not starve and die of thirst in the desert? And at each station we could have dispensers issuing maps and compuses. Sure would be much cheaper than building The Great Wall of the U.S. and manning it.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Oh, here is an idea for everyone to consider:

Those cities in the U.S. which are judged to be magnate cities because of employers hiring undocumented workers and local law enforcement not aggressively arresting suspected immigrants and sending them to immigration for deportment, would have a federal sales tax on everything within their areas -- say like 15% and all those funds would be used to pay for the services that the illegals are costing those in that area.

This way, citizens of those areas not wanting to pay such a huge sales tax on all purchases would not give haven to illegals. Every year that areas status would be re-evaluated by the central government and could change.

[Fonze]

I think the most of them pay taxes and though i believe they are some burden i feel like the ones complaining are like Enviro's and are alarmist. What needs to be done is this gov't pork projects.

On the birth part maybe the framers of the country made this because they them selves were not rightful americans to this country. But now that non whites want to use this they are going to want to take it away.