What do marines have against hats being worn indoors?

[TheNoNamedOne]

First off, why don't some marines like it when a hat is called a hat and not a cover? Are marines semantical or linguistic wizzards? And why does wearing a hat indoors bring the wrath of other marines down on one who is partaking in such an egregious offense?

I've seen veins bulge out on the side of necks and foreheads with marines screaming "Remove that cover, marine!" as if the world were about to come to an end.

Like, WTF!? Why the outrage? Why can't I keep my hat on when it is a little cold inside and it helps keep me a little warmer? After all, most heat loss from the body is through the head.

[socalheart]

... because it's written in the rules and regulations somewhere. :D Heh.

I thought it was based on the old thing when men (gentle or otherwise) would remove their hats indoors and to greet a lady. It's how I was raised. My husband is in the Air Force, so doesn't remove his hat when indoors, but I make him do it at home. As for hat vs. cover... :confused: I was always told, "because that's what we're told to call it." It seemed a good enough answer at the time. Maybe some gungho type will look it up for us. ;)

[Muku]

Tp as a former Marine I can understand the indignance that Marines have about making the distinction between a hat and a cover. Sure it is semantics, they are pretty much one and the same, however in the Marine nomenclature a hat is a cover. It is a part of the Marine tradition.

When a person has certain characteristics ingrained into themselves for months at a time, the "Marine" way that is, it really isnt that hard to understand the misunderstandings that "civvies" have with Marine "lingo" and "culture".

[P_chan]

I don't really see what the big deal is about. There is a rule about it, so just follow it, simple as that. But while we're being anal about trivial things, why do I have to wear clothes in public?

As far as calling it a "cover" or a "hat", that doesn't really matter either. I never called it a "cover" and I don't plan on calling it that anytime soon.

[Muku]

I don't really see what the big deal is about. There is a rule about it, so just follow it, simple as that. But while we're being anal about trivial things, why do I have to wear clothes in public?

As far as calling it a "cover" or a "hat", that doesn't really matter either. I never called it a "cover" and I don't plan on calling it that anytime soon.
P I have been "out" nearly.........(fill in the blank______ years) and there are still plenty of times I call it a cover.:eek:

[kombu_kid]

Why the outrage? Why can't I keep my hat on when it is a little cold inside and it helps keep me a little warmer?

OMG, I'd love to see a D.I.'s face if you asked him that question! I LMAO when I read that. "Aaaaaawwww, are you cold? I'm soooorrrry!! Here, why don't you come lay in my rack and get under the covers and get all comfy warm.....then I'll bring you some hot chocolate." YOU F***IN' MAGGOT!!! GET YOU WORTHLESS CIVILIAN ASS OUT IN FORMATION!!! YOU'RE LOWER THAN WHALE SH*T!!! I actually enjoy seeing the Full Metal Jacket boot camp part, with R. Lee Ermey. He's awesome.

You hadda be there.....Marines gotta be permanently f**ked up in the head somehow after that experience.

[P_chan]

P I have been "out" nearly.........(fill in the blank______ years) and there are still plenty of times I call it a cover.:eek:

I never got into the habit of calling it a cover in the first place. Guess I'm just stubborn like that:D

[DoctorP]

I actually enjoy seeing the Full Metal Jacket boot camp part, with R. Lee Ermey. He's awesome.

You hadda be there.....Marines gotta be permanently f**ked up in the head somehow after that experience.

I've had too much of R. Lee Ermey! He's a nice guy and all...I love his movies, but I've just had way too much!

Covers are removed indoors...that is the way it is. You remove your hat when you go indoors as a sign of courtesy! The Marines take things too far though...such as removing them in clubs and whatnot.

Cover refers to a part of the Marines uniform. It is ok to call a ball cap a cap, or hat.

[kombu_kid]

Yeah, I guess I've gotten a little burned out on him as well, after watching too many episodes of Mail Call. Maybe you guys get a bit more inundated with him over there with the military T.V.

[TheNoNamedOne]

When a person has certain characteristics ingrained into themselves for months at a time, the "Marine" way that is, it really isnt that hard to understand the misunderstandings that "civvies" have with Marine "lingo" and "culture".


I don't think it is a misunderstanding. Of course civilians can see it is a tradition or marine way with nomenclature. What is absurd about it is that it is a "big deal" with some to the point that it requires correction and at times vein popping yelling. Like wtf!? It's just a hat, and the freakin roof is not gonna fall down if one forgets to take it off for the first 20 seconds they enter a building.

[Asshat]

I don't think it is a misunderstanding. Of course civilians can see it is a tradition or marine way with nomenclature. What is absurd about it is that it is a "big deal" with some to the point that it requires correction and at times vein popping yelling. Like wtf!? It's just a hat, and the freakin roof is not gonna fall down if one forgets to take it off for the first 20 seconds they enter a building.

There are some people in the world who do not posses original thought. For them, it is these traditions and stenotorian slogans which are easy to remember and require no forethought.

Reminds me of the latest USMC Commendant CFC commercial. First frame is the EGA, followed my a hearty "Marines!" What makes is so pathetic is that the dude is trying to sound like Chesty as related in the "Marine Corps Story."

TP, if we keep watching AFN, I am sure the answer to why a hat is a cover will be covered. :)

[DougP]

I was wondering if the OP was addressing a scenario while Marines are in uniform. I suppose its one of those rules that must be followed while in uniform. I found some interesting tid bits about this.
covered and uncovered — When and when not wearing headgear. It is somewhat improper, although common, to refer to headgear as a cover. Marines wear hats, caps, helmets, etc.

Marines never salute without a cover. This precludes the vast majority of Marines from saluting inside, where covers are removed except for those individuals under arms (or wearing a duty belt, a method of symbolically being under arms without a weapon). The Army permits soldiers to salute out of uniform in certain circumstances, but this is never acceptable to a Marine.

Now whether or not they are allowed to wear a hat indoors while out of uniform is unknown to me. Although when I was at BK on Hansen the other day I was wearing a hat and was getting some interesting looks. Maybe the goatee and not having a high and tight was confusing a few people.:D

Also I know when I was in the Army it was in our regulations that we were not allowed to wear a cover(hat) indoors unless while being under arms. Crazy world we live in. :)

[Just VP]

TP you have a lot of questions about Marines and why we do what we do. Why don't you just join the Marine Corps and answer them for yourself.

[Cathleen_38]

Traditionally< We Don"t Wear The Cover Or Hat Inside> It"s Against Devildog Rules> It"s Tradition> Oooooorahhh!! It's soRTA LIKE WALKING IN A JAPANESE HOusE WITH YOUR SHOES ON, YOU JUST DON"T DO IT.

[Muku]

TP you have a lot of questions about Marines and why we do what we do. Why don't you just join the Marine Corps and answer them for yourself.

He was once in the military, and if I am not mistaken was a Marine and actually knows the answers to the questions he is asking.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Traditionally< We Don"t Wear The Cover Or Hat Inside> It"s Against Devildog Rules> It"s Tradition> Oooooorahhh!! It's soRTA LIKE WALKING IN A JAPANESE HOusE WITH YOUR SHOES ON, YOU JUST DON"T DO IT.

But not all structures are homes. Japanese walk inside Jusco with their shoes on. Are marines allowed to wear hats inside the PX?

As for Japanese homes, the reasonable argument can be made that shoes track in dirt and may be hard on whatever tatami flooring there may be. I still have yet to see a reasoned argument for not being allowed to wear a hat indoors with that having the risk of bring a vein popping yelling corporal, gunny, or 1stSgt charging in from another corner of the building.

[Fonze]

I have gone to the bowling alley and been told to take my hat off and just tell them im leaving in a minute. I can understand the uniformed people having to do it but not civilians.

[socalheart]

As far as I've been told, only Marines are required to remove their hats indoors on military installations when in civilian attire, but not required to remove their hat when indoors at an off base place. No one can demand a civilian or active duty member of another service to remove their hat indoors while on or off base.

Perhaps one of our super-quoters here can find the regulation about it somewhere and post it here. :)

[DougP]

I have gone to the bowling alley and been told to take my hat off and just tell them im leaving in a minute. I can understand the uniformed people having to do it but not civilians.

You should do what I do and pretend it was just the wind and not someone important talking:D Seriously I just ignore them.:first:

[Tanimaga]

When I had just gotten out of the Army, and began delivering papers for the JU, I had two large stacks to go to Lester hospitol. The guy at the front desk screamed at me at the top of his lungs to remove my cap. (while both arms were holding the freshest and newest copies of JU)
I understand it is a custom for the military, but it seems to go a bit far sometimes.

[DougP]

When I had just gotten out of the Army, and began delivering papers for the JU, I had two large stacks to go to Lester hospitol. The guy at the front desk screamed at me at the top of his lungs to remove my cap. (while both arms were holding the freshest and newest copies of JU)
I understand it is a custom for the military, but it seems to go a bit far sometimes.

Folks like that aren't getting enough "loving" at home. I knew several people that turned into monsters when their wives were holding the Manko hostage:D

[Muku]

But not all structures are homes. Japanese walk inside Jusco with their shoes on. Are marines allowed to wear hats inside the PX?

As for Japanese homes, the reasonable argument can be made that shoes track in dirt and may be hard on whatever tatami flooring there may be.
As if everyone here needed you to say that. like noone here knows the difference between a JUSCO and a private house:rolleyes:

http://www.joshilynjackson.com/mt/archives/surprised!.jpeg
Like you think people here are dumb or something!


I still have yet to see a reasoned argument for not being allowed to wear a hat indoors with that having the risk of bring a vein popping yelling corporal, gunny, or 1stSgt charging in from another corner of the building.
There doesnt need to be a reasoned argument other than it is the Marine Corps way.

If you dont like sfw, that's the way things are done in the Marine Corps. No matter how much you want or need an explaination there isnt one that will satisfy your curosity

[Just VP]

Exactly what Muku said. In the interim take your cover off when you go indoors. You need a little bit of MAN to have Manners. :thumbup:

[P_chan]

It's just the way things are, and I don't see why TP is making a big deal about it. It's one of those many rules in the military that you follow, even though they really aren't that important. I think it's kind of a test of how you go about doing things. If you whine and moan about having to take your hat off indoors, what would you do if you got deployed to the desert?

Oh and that's another thing. It's training you to keep track of your cover, or hat, or cap, or whatever you call it. That way, once your deployed to a hostile environment (the kind where you can get shot in the head), you won't leave your kevlar helmet somewhere and forget about it.

[kombu_kid]

I knew several people that turned into monsters when their wives were holding the Manko hostage

Why is this so easy to believe? Aren't those the ones who PT 4 hours a day, "to get the monkey off their back"?:D

[DocTurtle]

It's just the rules. You don't wear a hat indoors unless you have that duty belt around your waist or you're PMO.
I guess they are just trying to keep things in line??

[Tony Stacks]

Because it's the rules. It's like back when I was in my old Gunny said if you don't give someone a reason to **** with you they won't but if you give them a reason to than they will.

If a Marine walks in the PX with a hat on and gets his ass chewed it's his own fault.

[Muku]

Because it's the rules. It's like back when I was in my old Gunny said if you don't give someone a reason to **** with you they won't but if you give them a reason to than they will.

If a Marine walks in the PX with a hat on and gets his ass chewed it's his own fault.

True enough, yet it isnt necessary for Marines to attempt to enforce their rules on non-Marines, even if on a Marine base.

That imo is going too far.

[Tony Stacks]

True enough, yet it isnt necessary for Marines to attempt to enforce their rules on non-Marines, even if on a Marine base.

That imo is going too far.

If you mean trying to enforce it on civilians you are 100% correct and I get pissed if they try it with me too.

But if you mean other service branch members than no. They have the right to correct other service personnel. Military is military. Same as if an Army Sgt tells a Marine LCpl what to do he does it. NCO is NCO.

[Muku]

If you mean trying to enforce it on civilians you are 100% correct and I get pissed if they try it with me too.

But if you mean other service branch members than no. They have the right to correct other service personnel. Military is military. Same as if an Army Sgt tells a Marine LCpl what to do he does it. NCO is NCO.

I think that it depends on the circumstances and situation though. Like the example given previously here .....

Saw a MARINE yell "TAKE THAT COVER OFF YOUR GRAPE"at an air force guy who was in civilian attire on camp foster JSVRO before
First I would be curious to know how they knew the guy was in the AF if he was in civilian attire.

Also is it not ok for Army personel to wear their covers, hats, caps or whatever indoors? So if it is ok for one service and not another then the other service should just keep their mouths shut in my opinion, that is of course if they are unfamiliar with the regulations of the other services.

As an example here only......
Marines only salute a senior ranking officer if under cover, inside under arms or outside and only when in uniform. However dont army personel salute regardless of whether covered or not?

[DougP]

Well I was Army once and when in civilian attire it was ok for us to wear ball caps and such indoors. At least I'm sure it was. Never in my 10 years did I get chewed out by another Army guy while on an Army post for wearing a hat in civilian attire.

I do have a question though. What seriously could they do to me if I was to walk into the PX on Foster with my hat on? I'm not military or SOFA.. it would be pretty hard to mistake me for a service member. Would they yell at the person who signed me in? :D Even if I was SOFA being a civie would they call the MPs to escort me out of the building. Would some buzzed butter bar run up to me with a knife edged hand pointing and yelling? What would happen? I haven't tested the waters per say but I did just recently go to the food court on Hansen wearing a hat and didn't have any problems. :)

Knowing that they hate it though I'd try to not wear a hat that day. Sometimes I have a tendency to forget.:D I really don't like to be an asshole about it and would rather not get some gunny's blood pressure up:D Now the butter bars on the other hand:D

[Fonze]

I hate that commercial on afn that tells you about all the the dress code. That shiyt is the most retarted in the world. Especially cause it tells civilians how to dress.

[FDokinawa]

I think some of you guys are talking about being in uniform and some are talking about being in civilian clothing.

In uniform, yea, take your hat/cover off. Its a regulation.. simple

In civilians, stupid ass rule... simple

[Tony Stacks]

I hate that commercial on afn that tells you about all the the dress code. That shiyt is the most retarted in the world. Especially cause it tells civilians how to dress.


Now I always felt the same way!!
Thanx!!

[P_chan]

I hate that commercial on afn that tells you about all the the dress code. That shiyt is the most retarted in the world. Especially cause it tells civilians how to dress.

Yeah I hate the commercial too! If someone wants to go out dressed like a slob, let them. The only image they are hurting is their own image.

They have a new 1st Sgt's tip of the day commercial out that is retarded too! About not wearing earrings on base. OH NOEZZZZ they're wearing earrings! Whenever I see higher ranking enlisted and officers giving people crap about trivial stuff like this, it puts this funny image in my head. Some old guy waiving his finger in your face saying "God damn kids with your music television and your skate boards. Back in my day we blah.....blah....blah." LOL that and I think of my old ass neighbor who used to bring out his rifle and threaten us if we stepped on his lawn:thumbdown:

[DoctorP]

As far as I've been told, only Marines are required to remove their hats indoors on military installations when in civilian attire, but not required to remove their hat when indoors at an off base place. No one can demand a civilian or active duty member of another service to remove their hat indoors while on or off base.

Perhaps one of our super-quoters here can find the regulation about it somewhere and post it here. :)

If you are on a Marine Base you are required to adhere to Marine regulations. That goes for dress codes as well. For example...there is a dress code chart at the PX. It states that hats are not to be worn. If you are civilian, or AF, or dependant, and wearing a hat, you can be corrected for it and asked to remove it.

I'm not going to get into whether you have to comply or not...or what could/would happen. Just stating that when on the Marine bases, you fall under Marine regulations.

[DougP]

I'm not going to get into whether you have to comply or not...or what could/would happen. Just stating that when on the Marine bases, you fall under Marine regulations.

I'd actually like to see that in writing and how exactly its written.. context etc. I can understand having to adhere to rules but "dress code" regulations? I think that's more of a courtesy thing for those other than military. Kinda like having to give officers the "greeting of the day" or respecting an NCO. I have a hard time believing that everyone that ends up on base has to follow every little anal regulation that's meant for Marines. Call me crazy.:D

[socalheart]

Heh. I don't see my senior citizen uncle saluting any 22 year old 2ND LT when in civies. :rolleyes: I'm still chuckling at that mental image. Anyhow, if there's an enforcable dress code on a military installation, I'm all for printing it out and handing it to those females of all ages who dress "inappropriately" in public when it's not a weekend night out or Halloween. Good lord, don't get me started on that one. Heh.

[hankypanky]

I can't change dollars to yen or write a check at the NCO club kadena unless i have a club card, air force that is. If you go into a Marine SNCO club regardless who you are, active duty or civilian, you remove your cover. That's just manners dude. It's actually a Naval tradition, not Marine. All Marine bars used to have near the bar a sign that read, "Those who wear ye hats in here, shall buy ye house a round of cheer". That's why there is a bell next to the bartender. If it us rung, a round has either been bought or someone has been caught wearing their cover. If they refuse, they have to leave.

That's what our corps is made up of, Traditions. That's what seperates us from them. If a Marine doesn't like it, after his 4 years punch out. Women on other hand can wear a hat indoors. It's years of tradition of a man removing his hat when indoors, where ladies are allowed.:old:

[socalheart]

and it was the ladies who had the huge flouncy hats back in the old days, like at the races, which made it difficult to see anything in front of them. heh. anyhow, i like that tradition about the bar saying. cute. :D

[hankypanky]

What is an expensive slut?:eek:

[socalheart]

What is an expensive slut?:eek:
Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Jenna Jamison, Heidi Fleiss, Hillary Clinton... heh. I looked for expensive male sluts, but they're better at staying out of the news. ;)

[hankypanky]

Oh:ohmy: I understand now. Not too many of those around. Just thought of the opposite of a cheap slut:rolleyes:

[OtisPMerriweather]

This is an OLD thread, but I saw it referenced in another, and since I wasn't a member then, I'll put my little two cents in now.

The issue with civilians, dependants, Air Force, etc. removing covers (hats) in the Marine PX's- you don't have to do that so much because that is the Marine Corps order, so much as you have to do it because those are the rules of that particular facility. In order to use that facility, you may not wear a hat. Simple as that. Most gyms don't allow you to wear street shoes on the courts. You can sign people into the PX but not in to the commissary becasue those are the commissary rules. If you want to use that facility, remove your hat. If you want to keep your hat, don't go in the PX.

I do think that people who aren't working in the PX should keep their mouths shut to other patrons. If you have such a problem with it, tell someone who is actually working there with a nametag to correct another patron, as they (or the managers) reserve the right and authority to deny entry into the PX.

As for why we can't go inside with a cover on, we also can't go outside without one. This applies to in uniform only, obviously. But if you really look at it objectively, the military is supposed to be a profession. And the ideal situation is that when someone leaves the military, they also have been taught the skills they need to succeed in a professional environment. In most professional environments, good personal hygiene and grooming (clean cut appearance), dress, and mannerisms are looked upon as favorable and essential skills- and they are skills, because not every body has them. If you worked in a law firm, would you sit at your desk with a hat on? Or wear one in the elevator? Can you think of a professional person who walks around inside with a hat on?

Now, I'm not being a hypocrite, cause I do it too. I'm just trying to explain the whys behind some of these rules. No Gunny's gonna chew your ass if you wear a hat inside Jusco, or Club Red. But if you are in on-base facilites, and those are the rules of that facility, that's what happens. I've seen the rules relaxed on base as well for things like country night and super bowl parties.

Why is a hat called a cover? Those of you that can remember back to bootcamp, a lot of things were renamed. The bathroom became the "head", a pen became an "inkstick", a book became "knowledge", a bed became a "rack", a flashlight became a "moonbeam", a hat became a "cover". Once you leave bootcamp, some of these things just revert back to their old names and some of the new names stick. I think cover is just one that sticks.

[Alana]

oops didnt mean to bring up an old thread
crap i cant delete....

[xxzjxx]

I say, wear the hat, id rather lice be kept to its owner anyway

[Raptor]

This is an interesting subject even though technically its pretty minor. But this is exactly the kind of thing I love for a good debate.

Removing your "cover" while indoors is the policy of the P/X not because of professionalism, hygeine, or any other logical reason other than that its an establishment on a Marine base ran by Marines who for whatever reason have deemed it wrong to not wear a hat indoors.

I don't wear a hat usually however why not? Manners? Who better to decide whats right or wrong, mannerly or unmannerly other than society? And society in general does not have a problem with wearing a hat in or out doors. Can you as a civilian wear a hat at club red or Jusco without getting your azz chewed? Absolutely. Why? BECAUSE IN THE REST OF THE WORLD ITS NORMAL. The Marine Corps and I'm not gonna say whether its right or wrong in this belief is stuck in the 50's. There's Pros and Cons but we as Marines(I am no longer) tuck our shirts in, wear a belt, take our hats off in doors etc...and are not allowed to be eccentric. But all along that's in a sense makig us eccentric :) I do what I want but I just personally happen to fall in line with Marine Corps grooming standards by default it's just my way but I have friends who are occasinally told to take their "covers" off and frankly its pretty lame and senseless.

[P_chan]

AAFES is part of the marine corp:confused:

[Asshat]

AAFES is part of the marine corp:confused:

lol...but any building or office on a Marine Installation is subject to all of the rules the base commander has issued...

As far as hats inside, it may be envouge in the US, but I think it's dorky. Seriously, it is a sign of disrespect.

Archaic? Maybe.

[Old Timer]

:rolleyes:This is an OLD thread, but I saw it referenced in another, and since I wasn't a member then, I'll put my little two cents in now.

The issue with civilians, dependants, Air Force, etc. removing covers (hats) in the Marine PX's- you don't have to do that so much because that is the Marine Corps order, so much as you have to do it because those are the rules of that particular facility. In order to use that facility, you may not wear a hat. Simple as that. Most gyms don't allow you to wear street shoes on the courts. You can sign people into the PX but not in to the commissary becasue those are the commissary rules. If you want to use that facility, remove your hat. If you want to keep your hat, don't go in the PX.

I do think that people who aren't working in the PX should keep their mouths shut to other patrons. If you have such a problem with it, tell someone who is actually working there with a nametag to correct another patron, as they (or the managers) reserve the right and authority to deny entry into the PX.

As for why we can't go inside with a cover on, we also can't go outside without one. This applies to in uniform only, obviously. But if you really look at it objectively, the military is supposed to be a profession. And the ideal situation is that when someone leaves the military, they also have been taught the skills they need to succeed in a professional environment. In most professional environments, good personal hygiene and grooming (clean cut appearance), dress, and mannerisms are looked upon as favorable and essential skills- and they are skills, because not every body has them. If you worked in a law firm, would you sit at your desk with a hat on? Or wear one in the elevator? Can you think of a professional person who walks around inside with a hat on?

Now, I'm not being a hypocrite, cause I do it too. I'm just trying to explain the whys behind some of these rules. No Gunny's gonna chew your ass if you wear a hat inside Jusco, or Club Red. But if you are in on-base facilites, and those are the rules of that facility, that's what happens. I've seen the rules relaxed on base as well for things like country night and super bowl parties.

Why is a hat called a cover? Those of you that can remember back to bootcamp, a lot of things were renamed. The bathroom became the "head", a pen became an "inkstick", a book became "knowledge", a bed became a "rack", a flashlight became a "moonbeam", a hat became a "cover". Once you leave bootcamp, some of these things just revert back to their old names and some of the new names stick. I think cover is just one that sticks.

:rolleyes: WM's were referred to as BAMs' (Broad Ass Marines), they resided regardless of MOS in WM Battalions, we wore sateens. Leave your civilians ball caps hoodlumly cover your ears in your POV's. UNCOVER INSIDE!!!! What can not be understood about this. Oh...and start locking up those bodies during colors...That is all. Carry the F*^k on.

[Asshat]

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes: WM's were referred to as BAMs' (Broad Ass Marines), they resided regardless of MOS in WM Battalions, we wore sateens. Leave your civilians ball caps hoodlumly cover your ears in your POV's. UNCOVER INSIDE!!!! What can not be understood about this. Oh...and start locking up those bodies during colors...That is all. Carry the F*^k on.

Satines! LMAO! Those things rocked for looking squared away in garrison. o one could get them as crisp as the mamasan with the wax rag thing going on the ironing board.

Hey, you do realize that anyone who spells rules like "rulz" is probably got that cover on sideways, gangsta style right? Probably sportin an earing too, and if he isn't listening to rap on his iPod, he's got the video game cranked up dealing with reality that way.

[Old Timer]

Satines! LMAO! Those things rocked for looking squared away in garrison. o one could get them as crisp as the mamasan with the wax rag thing going on the ironing board.

Hey, you do realize that anyone who spells rules like "rulz" is probably got that cover on sideways, gangsta style right? Probably sportin an earing too, and if he isn't listening to rap on his iPod, he's got the video game cranked up dealing with reality that way.


YES!! CARDBOARD STIFF!!:first:

[sktmfy]

the distinction between a hat and a cover is because the "cover" is a uniform item, and thats what its called...tradition and a whole bunch of other things have to do with that...Marines should show some kind of respect to the tradition/history of the Marine Corps and those before them who wore the uniform...who died wearing the uniform...Chesty Puller wouldnt call a cover a hat so todays Marines shouldnt either...plain and simple

[kitcho26]

I love it when I go somewhere and get the whole "Take that cover off, Marine" or "Hey devil dog". I just keep doing what I am doing because I am not a Marine, then when they approach me I enjoy the look on their faces when the realize how much of an idiot they look like.

[Sex Wax]

What if I have a hat thats says "I Love the Marine Corps" and it is also covering up a very disgusting head wart that leaks pus. I think I should be allowed to wear it, or people would hurl.

[Tanimaga]

Everyone should wear tucked in collared shirts. It's a little thing called class! Look into it!

[SignoftheEndTimes]

I shouldn't bring up this thread again, but ahh memorieeeees. I remember when I was 16 and I wore a hat to a gym because the karate class I wanted to take took place there. The sensei walked up to me and pointed a finger at my face saying "If you don't take that hat off I'm kicking you out. Got it..?" Of course I took it off =(

[Ammoyankee]

I went to a job interview with the Sheriff's Dept last week. As everyone was filing into the room to look for a seat, an old Sheriff in the front told a few of the men to remove their hats anywhere in the Department building!

[Obe1Canole]

You should forward this question to whichever commissioned officer wrote the order years and years ago.

[SGT_OKINAWA]

You should forward this question to whichever commissioned officer wrote the order years and years ago.

The below and agree... you can't force another service to uncover, Air force guy on a USMC base, yeah, do as they do, Marine on Air Force base, and tells a Air force guy to uncover, ha ha, get bent...



MARADMIN 322/05 changes uniform regulations
Marine Forces Pacific
Story by Lance Cpl. R. Drew Hendricks

U.S. MARINE CORPS FORCES PACIFIC, CAMP H. M. SMITH, Hawaii (July 26, 2005) -- Marines will have to recheck uniform regulations due to more than 10 miscellaneous changes in Marine Administrative Message 322/05, which was released July 17.

Some of the changes are small, but if Marines do not pay attention to them they may find themselves out of uniform.

One of the more pertinent changes, which will ultimately save lives, is to motorcycle safety equipment. Motorcycle safety jackets can now be worn over a Marine’s uniform while riding.
Before this change, the only things Marines could wear to protect against road rash, or other crash related injuries was a helmet, and they could roll the sleeves down on their utility coat.

This provided only limited protection and in some cases, caused more damage. In cases of extreme road rash, the utility coat could be ground into the rider’s skin, according to Marine Corps Safety Division.

One avid rider agrees, “If the only thing protecting you when you fall off your bike going 50, 40 or even 20 mph is your blouse, you are going to get ripped to shreds,” said Cpl. Daniel Rosales, a U.S. Marine Corps Forces, Pacific supply clerk. “Changing that rule makes it easier to stay safe.”

Another change gives female Marines the choice of wearing diamond-studded earrings with their evening dress uniforms. Before this change they were only allowed to wear pearl earrings.

“This is great; it actually gives me a choice in what I wear. Pearls are nice but I prefer diamonds. I mean diamonds are a girl’s best friend, right?” said Cpl. Corinne Andersen, an administrative clerk here.

Also, Marines will no longer be required to wear their covers while in privately owned vehicles.

One other change concerns civilian attire. While on a military installation, all headgear, including civilian headgear, will be removed while indoors.

This may not seem like anything new, but it was brought up to the Marine Corps Uniform Board that this requirement was never officially added to the uniform regulations.

For more information on these or other changes refer to MARADMIN 322/05, or check Marine Corps order P1020.34G.


See there was the problem, it was "Tradition" now it is a reg. so deal with it.

ha ha ha, do I dare mention tuck in shirts and belts on pants with belt loops?:grin1:


Peace!:army:

[Jimmy Hoffa]

MARADMIN 322/05 changes uniform regulations
Marine Forces Pacific
Story by Lance Cpl. R. Drew Hendricks

U.S. MARINE CORPS FORCES PACIFIC, CAMP H. M. SMITH, Hawaii (July 26, 2005) --

Another change gives female Marines the choice of wearing diamond-studded earrings with their evening dress uniforms. Before this change they were only allowed to wear pearl earrings.

“This is great; it actually gives me a choice in what I wear. Pearls are nice but I prefer diamonds. I mean diamonds are a girl’s best friend, right?” said Cpl. Corinne Andersen, an administrative clerk here.

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I still say they should'nt get to wear earings at all. Equal oppurtunity right? Equality right? They should have to do the same PFTs as well.

Over
Out:army:

[danielwagner]

I still say they should'nt get to wear earings at all. Equal oppurtunity right? Equality right? They should have to do the same PFTs as well.

Over
Out:army:

No Jimmy, God made men and women with distinct differences. Even if one can't appreciate those differences surely you recognize that these were meant to compliment not bring about competition. So why should there be a problem with a privilege that recognizes that distinction? Does your equality reference include the desire for women to go into combat as part of your fire team?

[Ammoyankee]

No Jimmy, God made men and women with distinct differences. Even if one can't appreciate those differences surely you recognize that these were meant to compliment not bring about competition. So why should there be a problem with a privilege that recognizes that distinction? Does your equality reference include the desire for women to go into combat as part of your fire team?

Maybe Jimmy is just mad because when he was a Marine, he didn't have the choice between pearls and diamonds when he wore his evening dress!:thumbup:

[Jimmy Hoffa]

No Jimmy, God made men and women with distinct differences. Even if one can't appreciate those differences surely you recognize that these were meant to compliment not bring about competition. So why should there be a problem with a privilege that recognizes that distinction? Does your equality reference include the desire for women to go into combat as part of your fire team?

Yes they should be in direct combat too. Why should they get the same pay, same benifits, and be in the same organization as the guys but then cant be in direct combat, run watered down pfts, not to mention how many of them get pregnant on purpose to get out of going to Iraq or get sent back to the states from okinawa.

[murfsteve25]

First off, why don't some marines like it when a hat is called a hat and not a cover? Are marines semantical or linguistic wizzards? And why does wearing a hat indoors bring the wrath of other marines down on one who is partaking in such an egregious offense?

I've seen veins bulge out on the side of necks and foreheads with marines screaming "Remove that cover, marine!" as if the world were about to come to an end.


Marines are brainwashed. Simple as that. A percentage of them used to be normal before basic, after that...:scratchchin:

[abonifi1]

Marines are brainwashed. Simple as that. A percentage of them used to be normal before basic, after that...:scratchchin:

All of the military, every branch is braiwashed in their own way.

Even the officers act like children who have never left high school, thats the appeal of the military to most of the people who stay in, they don't have to grow up, therefore they don't.

I don't care which branch they are in, they are all brain washed fools until a few years after they get out (or longer, ask DK about the Pres of sunnynet).

[DougP]

Waits for Team America to show up with guns blazing. :w00t:

[Crazysix]

Waits for Team America to show up with guns blazing. :w00t:

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[Crazysix]

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CRIPPLE FIGHT

[I Am Luna]

[QUOTE=abonifi1;265174]All of the military, every branch is braiwashed in their own way.[QUOTE]
I'll take it a step further. Believe it or not, everyone is brainwashed. :scared:

[abonifi1]

[QUOTE=abonifi1;265174]All of the military, every branch is braiwashed in their own way.[QUOTE]
I'll take it a step further. Believe it or not, everyone is brainwashed. :scared:

I know, you even think your the only Mexican. :first:

[0341isa]

Yeah I hate the commercial too! If someone wants to go out dressed like a slob, let them. The only image they are hurting is their own image.



SOunds nice but totally untrue. As we've seen time and time and time again, no you can be in civies all you want, but if you are still identifiable as military, whatever you do, say or however you look will be attributed to your service. Hell, even here on the forum, when you see a bunch of drunk guys, who look like Marines acting an ass in town, in civies, do you complain about drunk jerks, or "drunk ass Marines"?

As for the cover bit, its a matter of customs and courtesty and its just how thinga are done. SUre, "that's just the way it is" may seem like a lame cop out answer to some, but you also (for servicemember anyways) have to rememeber that not only is it "the way its done" its also the way it has been done since before said complaining service member voluntarily decided to enter the community.

I wont speak for cover itself, but for the Marines, a lot of the goofy ass terms used are a matter of tradition. Goes back to seaservice and all that stuff. Nothing wrong with doing some things out of tradition or customs and courtesy etc etc.

If approached approapriately, "Excuse me, I'm going to have to ask you to take that hat off in this building" is not much different then, please stand for the Anthem of..., take your sunglasses off when you first meet..., get out of your chair when a lady arrives, watch your mouth around children, take your chopsticks outta that bowl of rice!

Its just a matter or manners and trying to observe the custom of whoever's turf you are on.

[Redsox'sNation]

SOunds nice but totally untrue. As we've seen time and time and time again, no you can be in civies all you want, but if you are still identifiable as military, whatever you do, say or however you look will be attributed to your service. Hell, even here on the forum, when you see a bunch of drunk guys, who look like Marines acting an ass in town, in civies, do you complain about drunk jerks, or "drunk ass Marines"?

As for the cover bit, its a matter of customs and courtesty and its just how thinga are done. SUre, "that's just the way it is" may seem like a lame cop out answer to some, but you also (for servicemember anyways) have to rememeber that not only is it "the way its done" its also the way it has been done since before said complaining service member voluntarily decided to enter the community.

I wont speak for cover itself, but for the Marines, a lot of the goofy ass terms used are a matter of tradition. Goes back to seaservice and all that stuff. Nothing wrong with doing some things out of tradition or customs and courtesy etc etc.

If approached approapriately, "Excuse me, I'm going to have to ask you to take that hat off in this building" is not much different then, please stand for the Anthem of..., take your sunglasses off when you first meet..., get out of your chair when a lady arrives, watch your mouth around children, take your chopsticks outta that bowl of rice!

Its just a matter or manners and trying to observe the custom of whoever's turf you are on.


Well said... The problem with society in general is we are losing our ways... Many of the things which you stated are ones which will be gone in a few years... I try to teach my children those ways and trust me it is hard. They spend more time with others that clog their brains with doing just the opposite of what I try to teach them. But I will continue to plug along, I saw my son hold the door open for someone the other day and he said excuse me as he passed some people who were talking. I guess some of it is sticking...

[0341isa]

funnny thing is, most kids dont seem to realize, (as in teens young 20's) that if you actually make the effort and have an idea about old school gentlemenly conduct, (IE: give up your seat, help her carry stuff, for shit sakes open a door for a lady once in a while :rolleyes:) that will actually get you further with chicks. As "cheesy" as some think it may be, chicks still dig that stuff.

[Richard Burns]

funnny thing is, most kids dont seem to realize, (as in teens young 20's) that if you actually make the effort and have an idea about old school gentlemenly conduct, (IE: give up your seat, help her carry stuff, for shit sakes open a door for a lady once in a while :rolleyes:) that will actually get you further with chicks. As "cheesy" as some think it may be, chicks still dig that stuff.

Actually that stuff is a huge pussy magnet. I used to do that stuff even in high school and it sure increased my number of conquests.

[0341isa]

Actually that stuff is a huge pussy magnet. I used to do that stuff even in high school and it sure increased my number of conquests.

Damn right. Not only do chicks think better of you for it, but chicks dig "feeling like a lady" because you are treating them like one.

[Lowerdeez]

Marines are brainwashed...bottom line

[Redsox'sNation]

Marines are brainwashed...bottom line

Well, I could say something like you are a moron but that would be a general sterotype... Kind of like what you are making. It is funny how people say Marines are brain washed when they make some of the most intelligent decisions with limited intelligence, time and support which in the end saves lives... But I am guessing they were brain washed into thinking that way...

[Lowerdeez]

Well, I could say something like you are a moron but that would be a general sterotype...

A stereotype of what?

[Redsox'sNation]

A stereotype of what?

Well, generally people who make blanket statements like you did fall into the catagory of a moron but that would be a sterotype... Follow the bouncing ball........

[Crazysix]

** Please keep this civil. Watch the name calling. Thank you. **

[Redsox'sNation]

Yeah, calling Marines brain washed if F'uped... I take that as a personal attack...

[Lowerdeez]

Yeah, calling Marines brain washed if F'uped... I take that as a personal attack...

Well im in the Marines too. I was just stating an observation. No need to get over emotional.

[Redsox'sNation]

Well im in the Marines too. I was just stating an observation. No need to get over emotional.

Well with you being in the Marines and calling Marines brain washed does not say much about you...