NSFW! What's wrong with this picture?

[Muku]

Does anyone here besides me find anything wrong with these pictures here below?

The girl in them Saaya Irie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saaya_Irie) was 11 years old at the time that these photos were taken and published in a Japanese magazine.

In May 2005, during the anti-Japanese demonstrations in China and Korea, pictures of Saaya taken by Japanese photographer Garo Aida captioned (loosely translated) "Please listen carefully to what I say my lovely Chinese brothers, please stop the riot!"[3] were posted on a Chinese forum by a third party, along with a message pleading for better bilateral relations between China and Japan.[2] Tabloid stories soon followed with raunchy headlines like "Busty 11-Year-Old Girl with F Cup Eases Cross-Strait Relations".[2] The claim that her pictures and words of peace led to a reduction in anti-Japanese attitude among the Chinese people is reputable, due to it first appearing in the pages of Shunkan Bunshun (週刊文春), a serious news weekly.[2]



She was born in November of 1993 so that still only makes her 14 as of now. She is a Japanese gravure idol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravure_idol)

Busty Japanese child model eases anti Japanism in China (http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=38)

http://beconfused.com/images/2006/05/Saaya-Irie-in-white-bikini.jpg


http://www.huntherx17.com/gallery/albums/uploads/furusato_chronicles/2005-saaya2.jpg

Is it just me? I think it is wrong for any parent to allow their child, particularly one this age to be used in these types of photographs that to me are or could be considered erotic and borderline pornographic in content.

Any comments?

[socalheart]

I think it's wrong for parents to have photographs like those above taken of their school-aged children. Those photos were obviously taken to show the model's physical sexuality, which is wrong as the model is a child. My cousin had similar pictures taken of her when she was sixteen, but not in bathing suits. I objected to those pictures as well. :sigh: Some people don't see anything wrong with making a child into a sex object. It's not right.

[Muku]

I think it's wrong for parents to have photographs like those above taken of their school-aged children. Those photos were obviously taken to show the model's physical sexuality, which is wrong as the model is a child. My cousin had similar pictures taken of her when she was sixteen, but not in bathing suits. I objected to those pictures as well. :sigh: Some people don't see anything wrong with making a child into a sex object. It's not right.


In my opinion it also is part of a deeper problem here in Japan with the over indulgence in the cult of "cute". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawaii)

[Tony Stacks]

It is wrong if they knew her age. BUT look how old she looks in the picture. She looks like she's in her early 20's.

<edit> She's covered up. Looks good to me. But there is no way in hell my daughter would be in a picture like that!

[Tony Stacks]

Japan is a far better country than the U.S.A.

[okisteve]

Of course the people who exploited her knew her age - that was the whole point, that she was only 11.

[Muku]

Of course the people who exploited her knew her age - that was the whole point, that she was only 11.

I would be willing to bet the parent(s) had a lot to say in this as well. Here is another one that is just as shocking to me, however there are those that defend it as well.:cursing: Oh and the girl on the right is 14 years old.


http://www.japantimes.co.jp/images/photos2007/nn20070503f1a.jpg


Photos of preteen girls in thongs now big business (http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20070503f1.html)

Or these....:mad:http://www.japanator.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/2006-12-14-107.jpg

From here (http://japundit.com/archives/2007/03/05/5200/)


And this (http://www.jpophelp.com/scripts/newsite/proddetails.asp?releasedateS=06/1/2007&releasedateE=06/30/2007&dnum=40&listid=JPN-&majorcategory=JuniorIdol&newreleases=yes)

[Crazysix]

how can this country justify this? If a gaijin looks the wrong way at a young girl, he is a pervert and ran up the pole, but the magazines and dvd companies can openly promote this crap.

[keera4]

Wouldn't that be child porn...or do they have to be completly naked?
Even if it isnt, some of those pictures are highly suggestive. I wouldnt allow it if it were my daughter..especially if she turns out to be that voluptuous in the future.

[Tanimaga]

I will save these pics to my hard drive for further investigation.

[Muku]

I will save these pics to my hard drive for further investigation.

Could you share with everyone here why you love these pictures, one of a pre-teen, at 11 years old and another of a girl only 14?

What's the attraction?

[P_chan]

I think it's wrong. Just seems dirty to look at a young girl in that perspective. I know japanaese men have a boner (figuratively as well as literally) for young girls and cuteness, but it still seems sick to me.

But the first time I saw these pictures, I thought the girl was around 16 or 17 years old. I know a lot of young japanese women look younger then they really are. Hell, I thought my two cousin-in-laws were 17 and 19 and they ended up being 20 and 25!

[Muku]

I know a lot of young japanese women look younger then they really are. Hell, I thought my two cousin-in-laws were 17 and 19 and they ended up being 20 and 25!

Hell I know what you mean, my wife doesnt look a day over 30:-|

[Tony Stacks]

The way I see it if you are not a Japanese citizen than it's none of your business. As long as it's not MY daughter in a pic like that I don't give a rats ass.

[Rick Ross]

It's not pornographic at all. They're not even showing anything.

[SexyBiGirl]

There is nothing pornographic about it jeez lighten up.

[P_chan]

There's nothing pornographic about it true, but you would have to be a blind moron to not know what it's hinting at. What makes it worse is it's from a girl who is so young, who really doesn't have any understanding of what she is doing. IMHO I think it's her parents who are "whoring" (no pun intended) her out like this. Just look at Chiaki Kuriyama. She became famous by doing similar bikini spreads and nude spreads too, once she was only 13. The nude photos are still one of her most popular works. Kinda shows you were a lot of japanese men's interests lay:barf:

Answer me this, Rick Ross and "sexy" bigirl, would you change your tune if it was YOUR 11 year old daughter a bunch of horny old men were eye humping?

As long as it's not MY daughter in a pic like that I don't give a rats ass.Funny train of thought, never liked it. Don't worry about anything until it effects you personally. Usually, by that time, the problem is already out of hand.

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[Crazy Couple]

Where do you see porn. We certainly don't. Maybe you guys must have x-ray vision goggles or something.

We can't see anything exposed.

[Crazysix]

WOW cant believe any AMERICAN would agree with this, I tell you If I caught my daughter doing it it would be her Hapa Azz and To Tony, youre wrong ,it is our concern because this garbage will find its way into the US and some perv will be rocking his jollies before he goes out and molest a child ,and it is my concern becuase my kids are Japanese Citizens. Damn If you like this(not address to just Tony) why? I mean there are plenty of legal girls out there with pics to looks at.

[Crazysix]

Where do you see porn. We certainly don't. Maybe you guys must have x-ray vision goggles or something.

We can't see anything exposed.
OK so if they sold this crap in the BX with american girls would you turn a blind eye, subscribe or what?

[Crazy Couple]

It's not porn at all by definition that's all we're saying.

[Tanimaga]

Could you share with everyone here why you love these pictures, one of a pre-teen, at 11 years old and another of a girl only 14?

What's the attraction?

There's nothing here I didn't mess around when I was that same age. I'm no erojiji looking for underage girls.. I prefer older ones that know a thing or two. I've had many nearly twice my age.
Have no doubt though that a filled out high school girl won't catch my eye now and again. Any man here who says different is most likely lying to himself, or everyone else.
Parents and Japanese society are to "blame" if you want to blame anyone.

An easy enough solution is to not let your own children pose for such magazines. I wouldn't.

[P_chan]

Where do you see porn. We certainly don't. Maybe you guys must have x-ray vision goggles or something.

We can't see anything exposed.

No one ever said it was porn. I would suggest reading the posts fully before you open you open your mouth and sound like an idiot. How about addressing my questions instead of making false accusations that we are calling this porn?

[Muku]

Wow, quite a few posts here in favor of the girls posing in pictures like this.

Ok first off here.....Tony Stacks wrote;
The way I see it if you are not a Japanese citizen than it's none of your business. As long as it's not MY daughter in a pic like that I don't give a rats ass.
So are you saying that only Japanese people have the "right" to complain about the exploitation of underage children for the express purpose of titilation or possible sexual gratification?

Are you saying that no one has the right to complain about things in other countries that you think are wrong? Whether it be a social problem or otherwise? How about if I start complaining about some problem regarding children in the US, would only US citizens have a "right" to complain?

Btw my daughter is Japanese too. So does that give me the right to have concern about this seeing as how I am American? Or have I lost that right because I am not Japanese?

Tanimaga wrote;
There's nothing here I didn't mess around when I was that same age. I'm no erojiji looking for underage girls.. I prefer older ones that know a thing or two. I've had many nearly twice my age.
Have no doubt though that a filled out high school girl won't catch my eye now and again. Any man here who says different is most likely lying to himself, or everyone else.
Parents and Japanese society are to "blame" if you want to blame anyone.

This is not geared towards teenage boys, these photo spreads and the DVD's on one of the links in one of my previous posts is for the English speaking audience as well as Japanese. I am not talking about HS girls either, that is a different story, borderline close, however still underage. Plus it also has nothing to do with you and your sex partners. It's about these girls.

Turning one's head to look at a pretty girl is a whole hell of a lot different than buying a book or magazine dedicated to the exploitation of these girls. This sounds to me like you are trying to justify your position.

These girls are not "legal" to have sex yet, but their bodies are being exploited for their sexuality.

Crazy Couple wrote;
It's not porn at all by definition that's all we're saying.
No one said it was, those are your words, however the T-Back pictures are close. You know if it was pornographic with this much publicity they would have been arrested. But what other purpose do you see here?

The fact is that there is a cult of Japanese men that are turned on by pictures like this, these girls are already having their bodies used for making money, in a manner of speaking they are being prostituted for their looks.


Food for thought here folks, it isnt just here in Japan that has things like this happening either. I am at work right now and and can not provide the pics or links, however this kind of stuff is not limited to Japan only.

Teens prosecuted for racy photos (http://www.news.com/Police-blotter-Teens-prosecuted-for-racy-photos/2100-1030_3-6157857.html)

To those of you that say....."Just so long as it isn't my daughter....."I would like to add that by turning a blind eye to the exploitation of young girls like this I would say that you are actually condoning it and see nothing wrong with "other" girls doing it....."Just so long as it isn't your daughter".

One other thing, so it isnt your daughter dont we as a member of society have a responsiblity to try to protect those around us as well? Dont get me wrong, I am not a prude by any stretch of the imagination. I enjoy seeing and watching beautiful women. Just look at the thread here about them.

The thing is they are women and not children. Huge difference in my opinion.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

The topic reminds me of the scence from 'The People vs. Larry Flint', where the fundamentalist Christians pass the Penthouse Magazine around the group so they can 'know their enemy' better before they start campaigning against him.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Are you saying that no one has the right to complain about things in other countries that you think are wrong? Whether it be a social problem or otherwise? How about if I start complaining about some problem regarding children in the US, would only US citizens have a "right" to complain?
I agree with Muku. That would be like asking "Are you an American?" when someone disagreed with the political situation there. Child pornography and/or the exploitation affects those around the world, just as American political decisions do.

[dk]

Have no doubt though that a filled out high school girl won't catch my eye now and again. Any man here who says different is most likely lying to himself, or everyone else.
It's those skirts and socks, man... :thumbup:

[dk]

Just clicking on this post I feel as though I have viewed child porn:eek:
I feel a little dirty too... Mostly because I thought she was 16 or 17...

[Ammoyankee]

Let's cut her in half and count the rings just to be sure!

[dk]

It's not pornographic at all. They're not even showing anything.

There is nothing pornographic about it jeez lighten up.

Where do you see porn. We certainly don't. Maybe you guys must have x-ray vision goggles or something.

We can't see anything exposed.
How do you three know each other? How do you three know Tony? It is ok to have multiple users in the same IP range, but it is not ok for one person to have multiple accounts.

These are not all Tony Stacks, correct? If they are, I need to remove them. Please PM me either way so we do not clutter up this topic.

[Tanimaga]

It's those skirts and socks, man... :thumbup:

It's what's in my girlfriends Christmas stocking this year...!!

\:-)

[dk]

It's what's in my girlfriends Christmas stocking this year...!!

:-)
You need to tell me where you shop. :D

[Tanimaga]

You need to tell me where you shop. :D


Yellow book store before CoCo curry on 23. Expensive, but worth it.

[dk]

Yellow book store before CoCo curry on 23. Expensive, but worth it.
I'll check it out next time I'm in the area. :) Thanks.

[P_chan]

Yellow book store? You mean the porn shop? They've got some nasty pornos in there.

Hehe I always tell my wife to go buys some socks and wear them:D She already likes to wear the boots I tell her to throw the socks in there too:D

[DougP]

Yellow book store? You mean the porn shop? They've got some nasty pornos in there.

Hehe I always tell my wife to go buys some socks and wear them:D She already likes to wear the boots I tell her to throw the socks in there too:D

Wifey still has her's from highschool:thumbup: Its the pleated skirt.. not the socks or the sailor top that does it for me. If they were to have used another type of dress/skirt it wouldn't even be worth looking at. My wife's legs + pleated skirt = oh hell yeah:w00t::thumbup::first::D

[dk]

Wifey still has her's from highschool:thumbup: Its the pleated skirt.. not the socks or the sailor top that does it for me. If they were to have used another type of dress/skirt it wouldn't even be worth looking at. My wife's legs + pleated skirt = oh hell yeah:w00t::thumbup::first::D
You are a lucky man. :thumbup1:

[Muku]

Tokyo Shoten

[P_chan]

My wife just recently bought a pleated skirt and black dress shirt to wear to the after party after our wedding. Completed the set with her boots an socks, I was a happy man.

LOL maybe I can convince her to wear it again if she comes with me to the JU meet:D

[dk]

LOL maybe I can convince her to wear it again if she comes with me to the JU meet:D
You trying to kill us? lol. That's such a bad idea! Unless you like guys drooling over your wife!

[P_chan]

Hey I like to make people jealous:D

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

The topic reminds me of the scence from 'The People vs. Larry Flint', where the fundamentalist Christians pass the Penthouse Magazine around the group so they can 'know their enemy' better before they start campaigning against him.
Read up a little.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Keating#Anti-pornography_efforts
Turns out it was Hustler magazine. Not as well read as I thought.:D

[Muku]

I am not going to post any more pictures here of these girls however take a look at this link and tell me that this is not close to being pornographic or should I say taken to excite people that are attracted to underage children.:cursing:

Asuka Izumi (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.scramble-egg.com/artist/event06/i09/9izumi_asuka07.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.scramble-egg.com/artist/event06/izumi_asuka02.htm&h=668&w=344&sz=30&hl=en&start=19&tbnid=H03-fOUQ8Bn1OM:&tbnh=138&tbnw=71&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAsuka%2BIzumi%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10% 26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG)

In my opinion the mother here should be slapped:cursing:

It becomes all of our business in my opinion when children are exploited in this manner.

[dk]

It's not pornography, but it is pretty risque. I agree that the mother should be slapped, but other than that I can't see any other action being necessary. They haven't done anything illegal. The only thing they've done is put a girl into a bathing suit and give her a wedgie.

I think it is pretty messed up to exploit your children this way. Sadly, there is a market for it...

[P_chan]

Yeah let's here people say that's not filled with sexual innuendo. Makes me feel sad for the young girls being exploited.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Usually, the more people get up in arms about these things, the more exposure and free advertising they get. Which of course, is just what they want. As Oscar Wilde wrote, The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.

[Muku]

It's not pornography, but it is pretty risque. I agree that the mother should be slapped, but other than that I can't see any other action being necessary. They haven't done anything illegal. The only thing they've done is put a girl into a bathing suit and give her a wedgie.

I think it is pretty messed up to exploit your children this way. Sadly, there is a market for it...

Yeah let's here people say that's not filled with sexual innuendo. Makes me feel sad for the young girls being exploited.

Usually, the more people get up in arms about these things, the more exposure and free advertising they get. Which of course, is just what they want. As Oscar Wilde wrote, The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.

I agree with all three of you here......

I know there isnt anything that "we" could do even if we wanted....

However I am always the optimist.

Oh and wanted to add one last thing, sure it may be free advertising but in my opinion it is also hopefully adding to the social conscious of the people that are posting here.:)

[kombu_kid]

The fact is that there is a cult of Japanese men that are turned on by pictures like this, these girls are already having their bodies used for making money, in a manner of speaking they are being prostituted for their looks.

Just like models do everyday. Everyone here has to ask themselves: is there outrage because of the way the girls are dressed? Or are they outraged because they know the pics will be used for some men's gratification? And if we're going in that direction, then we better start outlawing girls under 18 wearing bikinis on the beach.

Why? Because some men on the beach might get some sexual gratification from ogling at some over-developed under-age girls. Or are we going to start over-legislating the hell out of this subject, like we're doing with smoking? Look, I wouldn't want my daughter to be used in any risque photos, but to freak out because there's a picture of an 11-year old in a bikini......this outrage has everything to do with knowing who's gonna be buying and checking out these photos. Right?

It is unfortunate that magazines like this have crept into existance, but it's just the nature of things that they have. The big question is should the government intervene into things like this and determine that there is a "sexual vibe" to a certain batch of photos. How about clothing? Young girls wear low-cut jeans, low-cut tee-shirts....how much do we want the government determining what is "for the good of society"?

We already can't walk down the street and smoke a cig in some parts of the U.S......the land of the free.

[ryukyuboi]

I am not outraged at all.

[Tempestuous]

After reading kombu_kid's post it made me think- sometimes things are not actually overly or openly sexy but to the beholder they are.

Like the first pic- I look at that and think it could honestly be a swimsuit ad. Obviously the girl is young and it is hard for me to look at her and think it is a sexually explict style shot.
(now granted that is taking the pic out of context, if it was on an adult website then obviously there is an issue and it isn't a summer attire ad)

On the thought of eye of the beholder- I have been wearing jeans (not skin tight, but just regular old jeans) and a regular t-shirt with my day to day make-up on and had people say that I look sexy.
So yes, some people could look at an ad and be sexually aroused.
They can also look at a fully dressed person and be sexually aroused.
Honestly, if you put her in a turtleneck, someone could look at her in the exact same pose and be turned on.
Even an everyday, average photo could possibly be a hot commodity for some.

However, the second shot is a more erotic style pose and really unsettling to me that an 11yr old girl would be put in this sort of position. There is no way she is selling anything but herself in that shot.

And if I look at my 11yr old son and think his classmates could be doing this, it really makes me ill.

[kombu_kid]

This is such an interesting subject. How about this? You're stuck on an island with virtually no chance of being rescued (at least in your own mind). Then who else is on the island with you? Why, it's Tracy Lords, the 15-year old porno star who looks like she's 20, and has been nailed by at least 25 guys up to that point in her life.

Do you: A-Tell yourself "hey, she's 15. That's just wrong and perverted."
B-Ride that thang like you just got outta the state penitentiary.
C-Spank the monkey until you have no sexual desire.

I bet I know the answer. Even if it was a woman and a 15 year old boy. Sure, those would be bizarre circumstances, but for so many people to say "I don't even find a 17 year old girl attractive".....Hmmmmm, somebody's nose is growing. Everybody likes to cling to the "P.C." answers, showing outrage.....but what about 100 years ago, when girls might marry when they were in their early to mid teens to a man in his 20' or 30's. Didn't that happen? Were those men perverts? Are we all descendants of perverts? Or will people answer that question with "well, the life expectancy was short back then, so.....)? C'mon, now.

I find this topic fascinating. How about when women in old times were whores if they showed their ankles in a dress? How about when men had concubines? The line has been drawn so far left and right over the years, who can define normal? Each individual person's sexuality and desires/fantasies aren't even controllable. Maybe they should outlaw all images of rape fantasy--wouldn't that be a good start?

[Oxmix]

Pictures today, porn tomorrow. The chance of fast easy money will suck them in.

Regards

Ox

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I bet I know the answer. Even if it was a woman and a 15 year old boy. Sure, those would be bizarre circumstances, but for so many people to say "I don't even find a 17 year old girl attractive".....Hmmmmm, somebody's nose is growing. Everybody likes to cling to the "P.C." answers, showing outrage.....but what about 100 years ago, when girls might marry when they were in their early to mid teens to a man in his 20' or 30's. Didn't that happen? Were those men perverts? Are we all descendants of perverts? Or will people answer that question with "well, the life expectancy was short back then, so.....)? C'mon, now.

You bring up some interesting points. The thing about sexuality (and many other subjects) is that it is not a simple gay or straight, adult or youth question. Not a all-or-none, right or left deal. It is more like a point on a continuum, from gay to straight, prefering younger or older. Perhaps the grid like on the Making Political News topic would be a better way to map sexual preference.

[Isaak Brodsky]

The center of our concern seems to be a question of whether we’re morally justified in exploiting our bodies, or those of our children, for monetary rewards.

Cultivating minds whose contents are even more valuable and carried through life more easily should be our collective goal. The mind resists in the longer term the sort of oxidation and force of gravity that work on the exterior parts. The eyes, though, have more difficulty resisting the lusts of our society.

Maybe it is the promise of fast fame and riches, though fleeting, that lures us into situations when we may more easily exchange this virtue of cultivating the mind for this sort of exploitation.

People complain about sports heroes being paid exorbitant amounts of money for their play or their endorsements of certain products. Those same people, though, should ask whether the time and attention they pay to those sports or to those supermodels or to those film stars does not, in fact, help feed the salaries that these superstars are paid.

We can complain and call attention to the problem of child exploitation, but I wonder if we also should call attention to the values that we place in those things.

[Asshat]

Well, whatever you do, don't ever have a camera around when anyone under 21 is swimming.

Porno is in the eye of the beholder. Had I merely seen the photo, I would have thought it was a photo of a young woman. Since it is attached to a scathing diatribe of the morality of an entire nation, well I guess I just need to save it now.

[Isaak Brodsky]

Hyperbole??

Where's the scathing rebuke of a nation? What do you think about this kind of exploitation?

[Crazysix]

I personally dont like the contents or context of the photos, I mean if you enjoy those kinda of pictures and have a fixation on them, stay here in asia, dont come back to the US, I wouldnt want to see any of you as a CNN Headline. These pics are of kids posing to excite the person viewing the ad, not selling swimwear. I have yet to see an ad for osh gosh be gosh showing breast to sell baby bibs(I know some you guys are running it thru your minds).
To answer the question about Tracy lords is ...none of the above, being stuck on a desert island, with a nagging ass , whore, I would have probably had Lords BBQ by monday or tue. I couldnt deal with the nagging and crying.
If you remember Wilson didnt bitch.

[P_chan]

What really bothers me about these pictures is the fact that she is being exploited. Sure she has some understanding to what she is doing, but adults are clearly taking advantage of her young gullibility. Besdies, what would inspire someone so young to go along with something like this? Hell my wife won't even wear a bathing suit! So why would someone who is more then half her age want to pose in a thong for a magazine spread? Money and bad influance from her parents IMO.



This is such an interesting subject. How about this? You're stuck on an island with virtually no chance of being rescued (at least in your own mind). Then who else is on the island with you? Why, it's Tracy Lords, the 15-year old porno star who looks like she's 20, and has been nailed by at least 25 guys up to that point in her life.

Do you: A-Tell yourself "hey, she's 15. That's just wrong and perverted."
B-Ride that thang like you just got outta the state penitentiary.
C-Spank the monkey until you have no sexual desire.


That's not really a good excuse because it would never happen like that.

[Asshat]

Of course exploiting a child is wrong. But for crying out loud, it is by far the least of the world's problems right now.

Why not pose nude photos of 12 year old BKK hookers? How about some decapitated bodies in any one of three African nations? Maybe some homeless vets freezing on America's streets?

It bothers me, but a whole bunch more stuff bothers me too.

Go hang out outside of Futenma HS. You'll find all sorts of teenagers being "exploited."

[Crazysix]

Go hang out outside of Futenma HS. You'll find all sorts of teenagers being "exploited."

AND how would you know this????
just wait for the knock at the door, dont worry it will all be over soon:dead:::D

[Ammoyankee]

I can't believe this took this long to be noticed by some people. Ever since I arrived here the first time in 1986, this kind of stuff and worse has been available at just about any non-chain bookstore. Many magazines feature girls much younger than this, the ones that are obviously children without any shread of a doubt. Also, voyeurism (peeping tom) magazines are quite plentiful... All of this is generally accepted by the local population and goverment or...it wouldn't be there. Think about all this next time an incident occurs and the "harmony" of the peaceful, family oreinted, child loving island/country is disrupted! (Note of sarcasm to the responses when a gaijin commits a crime). Couple the availability of these kind of magazines, out in the open prostitution and pre-18 girls in the local sex business and you will have begun to unravel the secrets of this oh so pleasant society!

[Asshat]

Couple the availability of these kind of magazines, out in the open prostitution and pre-18 girls in the local sex business and you will have begun to unravel the secrets of this oh so pleasant society!

WHERE ARE THEY?

[Ammoyankee]

Some of you who have been/live here awhile may not like my last post but you know it's true. It's just nobody talks about it...

[Ammoyankee]

WHERE ARE THEY?

Well lets see... Yoshihara, Shinmachi and Soapland are preyty out in the open as far as the sex trade goes.

15 year old girls are frequently caught applying the worlds oldest profession, especially in the Matsuyama area and using Katai sex arrangements (in the news).

Bookstores, not sure on this one anymore, I roll into Book Box once a month and buy my Road Rider!

Here a few links on sex in Japan...

http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/jsex.html
http://www.traded.name/2007/09/29/underage-sex-in-japan/
http://www.janhoo.com/afs/articles.html

[Asshat]

Some of you who have been/live here awhile may not like my last post but you know it's true. It's just nobody talks about it...

I never asked the women in the photos how old they were. I was just happy to be able to look at them. Much better than the tasteless crap put out in American porno magazines, and videos.

[Asshat]

Well lets see... Yoshihara, Shinmachi and Soapland are preyty out in the open as far as the sex trade goes.

I never saw women that young in any of those places. So only in Japan will I see a 15 year old with a cell phone selling sex? I could have swore I saw them in every other country I've been in. :old:

[Ammoyankee]

I never saw women that young in any of those places. So only in Japan will I see a 15 year old with a cell phone selling sex? I could have swore I saw them in every other country I've been in. :old:

Don't play on words... I know you will see it just about everywhere, but hands down the sex trade is out in the open and somewhat "legalized", especially for a non-third world power!

Before you mention Parumph (Vegas) legal sex trade... We all know it exists in the U.S. but only there...

There is no perfect place, personally I love it here. The lack of firearms crime and availability off hard drugs make me feel safer here with my family than any other place on the planet!

[Asshat]

I don't have a problem with the sex trade.

[Muku]

So are you saying that only Japanese people have the "right" to complain about the exploitation of underage children for the express purpose of titilation or possible sexual gratification?

Are you saying that no one has the right to complain about things in other countries that you think are wrong? Whether it be a social problem or otherwise? How about if I start complaining about some problem regarding children in the US, would only US citizens have a "right" to complain?


I debated with myself on whether or not to clarify what I was saying here, particularly after this got split off into another thread accusing me of having double standards. I first thought it was funny, then I was perturbed and finally just ended up considering the source and realizing that unless I "explained" my comments here the assumptions would continue.

Now then this was a reply made to Tony Stacks and his post earlier on this thread specifically his Post Number 14, my full reply is on Post Number 24, read through it all to get the full picture.

These questions here are rhetorical, I figured any idiot would be able to figure it out. It seems that I "figured" wrong. So if I am guilty of anything it is of not including the words or phrase The following are rhetorical question.......:rolleyes: Excuse me let me add, if anything else I am guilty of assuming that people here are or were smart enough to figure this one out. If you didnt get then continue the crucifixtion, but I wont be participating.

As I have written here countless numbers of times before, if you have a question about a post, ask dont assume. I may miss a few but not many, however there are some questions that have been made that are down right asinine and not responding is the better path to take, in an effort to keep things quiet at least.

The "other" thread could have very easily been avoided, but someone's pride got in the way of their thinking process and automatically assumed again that they "knew" what I was thinking or the point I was going to make.

Shit my wife doesnt even assume to know what I am thinking and I have been living with her for well over 20 years. How the hell can someone I have not even met in person assume to know more and have only been exchanging barbs with for a few months now assume to know more than her?

[Asshat]

I still have a bigger problem a government sending it's 17 year old young men and women off to war than I do for a swim suit photo of a 14 year old.

What a strange morality.

[Muku]

I still have a bigger problem a government sending it's 17 year old young men and women off to war than I do for a swim suit photo of a 14 year old.

What a strange morality.

I dont disagree with you, yet it possible to discuss more than one issue at a time?

I just wish people posting here, not directed towards any individual poster here, would quit trying to find a conspiracy behind everything people post and learn to, or at least try to take things at face value.

Wishful think maybe..........:)

[Asshat]

I just wish people posting here, not directed towards any individual poster here, would quit trying to find a conspiracy behind everything people post and learn to, or at least try to take things at face value.

Could it be that the personal opinion I gave was also a comment given at face value? The purpose of my "war" comment was to illustrate the very skewed morality of people.

It is okay to kill our young children, but not okay to photograph them in swim suits. That is the morality I speak of...since that is in essence the moral question you pose with your post.

Look at the movie ratings. Show a breast, and it's as if everyone is going to blow a gasket. Show some blood splattering after a bullet enters someone's brain and no problem.

Same thing. And if the 14 year old model gets paid enough money for that photograph so she doesn't have to marry some abusive, alcholic salary man, all the better for her! :thumbup1:

[Muku]

Could it be that the personal opinion I gave was also a comment given at face value? The purpose of my "war" comment was to illustrate the very skewed morality of people.

It is okay to kill our young children, but not okay to photograph them in swim suits. That is the morality I speak of...since that is in essence the moral question you pose with your post.

Look at the movie ratings. Show a breast, and it's as if everyone is going to blow a gasket. Show some blood splattering after a bullet enters someone's brain and no problem.

Same thing. And if the 14 year old model gets paid enough money for that photograph so she doesn't have to marry some abusive, alcholic salary man, all the better for her! :thumbup1:

Sure it is a moral question, however moral questions are not just limited to killings in war either. There are all sorts of moral dilema's facing the world today. This is just one of them. Is it necessary for all of them to take a backseat to the one you raise here? Personally I dont think so, hence this thread. Sure the one you raise here is probably more important, but why interject all of that into this thread? Btw I usually take peoples posts here at face value.

I have yet to hear anyone here say that it was ok to kill our young children either, have you? I think I get your point.

Why not start one, a new thread, about this issue on your own. I know that I wouldnt be disagreeing with you.

Do we just let all the other moral issues go by the wayside? I dont think so.

Oh and even if she gets paid enough she probably will lose at the most 60% to taxes anyway so why do it? It isnt just about the money in my opinion, its about the ego and the exposure. But at what cost to the rest of society?

[Asshat]

Oh and even if she gets paid enough she probably will lose at the most 60% to taxes anyway so why do it? It isnt just about the money in my opinion, its about the ego and the exposure. But at what cost to the rest of society?

Since you have elected to disparge my remarks, I am left asking myself; what was the purpose of your post?

I do note you have chosen to single me out for your tirade this time.

Thank you.

[Muku]

Since you have elected to disparge my remarks, I am left asking myself; what was the purpose of your post?

I do note you have chosen to single me out for your tirade this time.

Thank you.
I have not disparged your remarks, I took them at face value. I attempted to interject a bit of humour into the comment with the reference to the taxes....I see that failed:o

I just disagree that the issue of children in war is the only moral issue going on today. Whether you agree with that is of course your choice.

I wonder why you see it as a tirade towards you when I agreed with you that the points you raised were valid as well.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Uminchu's reply to Muku:

Since you have elected to disparge my remarks, I am left asking myself; what was the purpose of your post?

I do note you have chosen to single me out for your tirade this time.

Thank you.

Don't worry, Umi. He will change it back to me soon. Not too wise to divide your attention on several when one is fiercely intent on marginalizing one's prime target.

[Muku]

I still have a bigger problem a government sending it's 17 year old young men and women off to war than I do for a swim suit photo of a 14 year old.

What a strange morality.

I have replied that I agree with your problem that you pointed out here and in other threads.....

Firstly what age is ok with you? The girl in the OP was 11 btw and not 14, sure she is a well developed 11 year old but still just a 4th or 5th grade Elementary School student.

Also it isnt about Japanese sending their children off to war either, it's about Japanese parents allowing their kids to be exploited like this.

One is Japanese the other American. I have made the choice to attempt to keep the two issues separate.

[Muku]

Uminchu's reply to Muku:



Don't worry, Umi. He will change it back to me soon. Not too wise to divide your attention on several when one is fiercely intent on marginalizing one's prime target.

Do you have anything to add to this discussion other than this.....

Or do you plan to make it into another post about me<3<3

[Asshat]

One is Japanese the other American. I have made the choice to attempt to keep the two issues separate.

Yes, until about two seconds ago I thought the girl was 14. What age is Okay with me....hmm.

Is this from an American perspective? Because the base of perception is part and parcel to the answer isn't it.

I did not see it as porn. I guess I have seen too many women in bathing suits.

So do you see the Miss Strawberry Pagent in Gresham, Oregon as exploitation? How about any other beauty pagent? See, the same suspects jumped all over this post with the same old canned responses.

"How would you like it if it was your daughter?" (I'd be proud she earned money)

"Japanese are all in to kiddie porn." (And we don't have a registered sex offender list back on the block, and can't rent a XXX DVD with very young starlets?)

I couldn't get to your links...Are they Japanese websites? Or yet more blah blah from the West about how to further tame the natives?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I debated with myself on whether or not to clarify what I was saying here, particularly after this got split off into another thread accusing me of having double standards. I first thought it was funny, then I was perturbed and finally just ended up considering the source and realizing that unless I "explained" my comments here the assumptions would continue.

Now then this was a reply made to Tony Stacks and his post earlier on this thread specifically his Post Number 14, my full reply is on Post Number 24, read through it all to get the full picture.

These questions here are rhetorical, I figured any idiot would be able to figure it out. It seems that I "figured" wrong. So if I am guilty of anything it is of not including the words or phrase The following are rhetorical question.......:rolleyes: Excuse me let me add, if anything else I am guilty of assuming that people here are or were smart enough to figure this one out. If you didnt get then continue the crucifixtion, but I wont be participating.
Thanx. I found your clarification very interesting. In the spoken word, rhetorical questions are somewhat easier to catch, as we have the tone of the speaker's voice and body language to give extra information beyond what is contained in the language itself. Further, in speeches a speaker will often add "that was rhetorical" at the end of such a question, as they are notoriously easy to miss. For future reference, it can be helpful to preface rhetorical questions with "I wonder/I have been wondering/I've been thinking about...". To phrase it as a direct question to one poster, or as an open question to any reading the topic, it is wide open to interpretation. It was silly of me to assume you are able to say what you mean.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

IThe girl in the OP was 11 btw and not 14, sure she is a well developed 11 year old but still just a 4th or 5th grade Elementary School student.
That would put her in the 5th or 6th grade in the Japanese school system.

[Muku]

Yes, until about two seconds ago I thought the girl was 14. What age is Okay with me....hmm.

Is this from an American perspective? Because the base of perception is part and parcel to the answer isn't it.

I did not see it as porn. I guess I have seen too many women in bathing suits.

So do you see the Miss Strawberry Pagent in Gresham, Oregon as exploitation? How about any other beauty pagent? See, the same suspects jumped all over this post with the same old canned responses.

"How would you like it if it was your daughter?" (I'd be proud she earned money)

"Japanese are all in to kiddie porn." (And we don't have a registered sex offender list back on the block, and can't rent a XXX DVD with very young starlets?)

I couldn't get to your links...Are they Japanese websites? Or yet more blah blah from the West about how to further tame the natives?
Actually one of the links was to a page that was selling DVD's to an English speaking audience

The first attachment was from here......

Junior Pop (http://www.jpophelp.com/scripts/newsite/proddetails.asp?releasedateS=06/1/2007&releasedateE=06/30/2007&dnum=40&listid=JPN-&majorcategory=JuniorIdol&newreleases=yes)

This girl is 14 here...
http://www.japanator.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/2006-12-14-107.jpg
Which comes from Japanpundit (http://japundit.com/archives/2007/03/05/5200/)

http://www.scramble-egg.com/artist/event06/i09/9izumi_asuka01.jpg

From here;
Izumi Asuka (http://www.scramble-egg.com/artist/event06/izumi_asuka02.htm)

Here is another of her as well; she was 13 when this picture was taken I think;
http://benippon.com/shop/i/DVD-SCDV-22004.jpg

http://benippon.com/shop/i/4778102886.jpg

[Muku]

These were from Japanese sites and English language Japanese sites. I dont have problems looking at women in bathing suits either. As I wrote earlier I am not a prude, I dont know how many though would look at these pictures here as just girls in bathing suits.

I see this as being much more provacative than just girls in bathing suits.


Is this from an American perspective? Because the base of perception is part and parcel to the answer isn't it.

That is a good question, I can only answer it from my personal perspective and I do not even want to presume to guess what if any perspective that could justify this from my point of view.

I did not see it as porn. I guess I have seen too many women in bathing suits.
I take it this is from looking at the girls in the OP correct? The girl in the white bathing suit was 11 when those pictures were taken, she is now 14.

The first picture I will admit is innocent enough and no big deal.

The second one however of her bending over suggestively is another story.

Oh I never wrote here either that it was porn, somebody else here made that assumption. I have pretty much just stayed on talking about the exploitation aspect of this.


So do you see the Miss Strawberry Pagent in Gresham, Oregon as exploitation? How about any other beauty pagent? See, the same suspects jumped all over this post with the same old canned responses.


No I have never seen it, so I dont know what it is about.

Other so called beauty contests...no I dont particularly like them either.

Once again sure I appreciate looking at beautiful women, young women too, however not pre-teens nor early teens, particularly in some of the poses like they are shown in the pics above.

[dk]

Here is another of her as well; she was 13 when this picture was taken I think;
That one is just messed up... Leaves so little to the imagination...

[Tony Stacks]

It's not showing anything it's just a girl in a bathing suit. So should girls be banned from wearing a bathing suit to the beach?

It would'nt be MY daughter but anyone elses is not my business they are not being exploited and are not nude.

[P_chan]

Yeah but how many 11 year olds do you see wearing thongs at the beach?

[SexyBiGirl]

I like it! It does NOT cross the line.

[Tony Stacks]

I see what you mean PChan but if girls at the beach look as old as these girls do than the only way to know their age is if you knew them which means there could be girls this age wearing this on the beach and onbody would know they are underage.

[P_chan]

I like it! It does NOT cross the line.Are you ever going to put any real points to your posts in here? Or are you just going to say "I like it so it's ok"? Just because you like it, it doesn't make it ok. Maybe if you took the time to explain yourself, you wouldn't be seen as such a joke.

I see what you mean PChan but if girls at the beach look as old as these girls do than the only way to know their age is if you knew them which means there could be girls this age wearing this on the beach and onbody would know they are underage.

But those girls you see at the beach, you really don't know how old they are. So you could be oogling a girl who is underage, or of age, which there isn't anything wrong with oogling them. But the girls in these magazines are popular because they are very young, and the reader knows this.

All you have to do is look at that girls face, and you can tell she's young. The girl in the OP, her face looks like the face of a 11 or 12 year old. I know it's really hard to tell the real age of a japanese girl. I've seen may who I thought were 16, yet in their early 20s once I asked.

[Muku]

Ok then what about these pictures...do they cross the line? Same girl btw.


http://benippon.com/shop/i/4778102428-1.jpg

Or how about these...same girl btw

http://image.space.rakuten.co.jp/lg01/87/0000571887/01/img0e8040d0zikezj.jpeg

[Muku]

Same girl here too....are these just bathing suits too?

http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/bb/78/10024830115_s.jpg

http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/ab/e2/10024830106_s.jpg

[Muku]

But those girls you see at the beach, you really don't know how old they are. So you could be oogling a girl who is underage, or of age, which there isn't anything wrong with oogling them. But the girls in these magazines are popular because they are very young, and the reader knows this.


You know one thing I have noticed is that people here are equalling this to looking at girls on the beach....

One thing though, I dont think anyone here would be taking pictures of the same pre-teen and underage girls at the beach and keeping them in an album or would they?

[TheNoNamedOne]

But those girls you see at the beach, you really don't know how old they are. So you could be oogling a girl who is underage, or of age, which there isn't anything wrong with oogling them. But the girls in these magazines are popular because they are very young, and the reader knows this.

So, is it simply knowledge of age that makes it wrong?

[dk]

I like it! It does NOT cross the line.

I see what you mean PChan but if girls at the beach look as old as these girls do than the only way to know their age is if you knew them which means there could be girls this age wearing this on the beach and onbody would know they are underage.
Are you two the same person, or how do you know each other? Both of these accounts have raised flags as to being the same person, and we do not allow one person to have more than one account. Please convince me that this is not the case.

[Tony Stacks]

Are you two the same person, or how do you know each other? Both of these accounts have raised flags as to being the same person, and we do not allow one person to have more than one account. Please convince me that this is not the case.


Nope not at all.

[dk]

Nope not at all.
Then please explain it, because both accounts are on the same computer. This is a cookie based system, not IP based. Rick Ross and Crazy Couple are also coming from the same place. Starting to make me wonder. I need an explanation, otherwise those three accounts will be closed.

[P_chan]

So, is it simply knowledge of age that makes it wrong?I find it very hard to tell how old a japanese girl is, so yes and no. Yes in situation like this:

Guy 1: "Hey check out that chick in the thong, she's hot!"
Guy 2: "Yeah I'd love to bite a piece of of her ass!"
Guy 3: "Dude....that's my 14 year old sister!"

Nothing wrong there. Were those guys knowing oogling a 14 year old girl? No they weren't, and there is a very high chance that they were just oogling at the beach, and nothing else was going to come of it.

Now in a situation like this:

Guy 1: "Dude I got this new magazine I rub one off to every night! Wanna see?"
Guy 2: "Is the chick hot?"
Guy 1: "Hell yes she's hot and guess what else? She's only 12!"

Now that's pretty messed up because he's oogling a girl who he KNOWS is only 12.


There is a huge difference between looking at a hot girl on the beach who could possibly be 17, 16, or maybe eve 15, and buying a magazine with a girl who you know is 12, in sexy thongs, and suggestive poses.

[dk]

^ I agree with what he said. That pretty much sums it up for me.

[Muku]

^ I agree with what he said. That pretty much sums it up for me.

Myself as well.....good now I really dont have to post any more of those pictures....damn I learned one thing from this thread, I guess I have to use the heavy artillery first to grab peoples attention about a topic like this.

I really did not want to include those last pictures, there are a few more but these I think make the point well enough.

Now I am going to take a short break, wash my hands, grab a beer and give my daughter a hug for never getting involved in anything like this.

Peace folks.

[dk]

Now I am going to take a short break, wash my hands, grab a beer and give my daughter a hug for never getting involved in anything like this.

Peace folks.
Have a good one Muku. And before you pass out, drop a note in that "Are you going to the JU meet thread". I had a question about reservations.

[TheNoNamedOne]

So, if a young girl, let's just say 14 for argument sake, and her parents decide to publish her picture in provocative poses, BUT the publisher of the mag is not a specific genre and none of her personal information regarding age is provided, then it is not wrong? Or is it still wrong? Or is it just the act of going through the motions of doing such a thing that makes it wrong?

Wrong, as in inherently wrong?

Where is the guilt? Is it at perception of the viewer, or is it at the provider?

Perhaps it becomes wrong only if someone is harmed in some way. But there is no reason to believe that a majority of all these girls do become harmed.

I haven't seen a reasoned argument against this other than indignance and shock. You guys are going to have to do much better if you would like to convince others that such photos are wrong or should not be permitted.

Or perhaps you are not really saying they should not be permitted if you are not putting forth a reasoned argument to convince otherwise. The old "What if it was your daughter?" as previously pointed out just doesn't rise to the occassion in that effort. Or is this just a rant thread about it?

[socalheart]

Legally, there's nothing wrong with it. The girls are basically clothed.

Morally or ethically, it can be construed as being wrong. The girls are often posed in a sexually adult manner wearing the bare minimum required by law.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Legally, there's nothing wrong with it. The girls are basically clothed.

Morally or ethically, it can be construed as being wrong. The girls are often posed in a sexually adult manner wearing the bare minimum required by law.

Socal, are you referring to moral absolutism or moral relativism?

I am wondering if there are some girls in Saudi Arabia who are being immoral for taking pics of themselves with cell phones showing their bare knees and shoulders and posting them on arabic forum boards.

Again, where is the inherent harm done?

[socalheart]

Socal, are you referring to moral absolutism or moral relativism?
No, not specifically either. Everyone has a different moral or ethical compass. It just depends on how you view it.

Some might wonder, what difference is there between publishing/having naked pictures of a girl taken the day before her 18th birthday and those taken a day after her 18th birthday? Legally, it's a huge difference. Morally or ethically, it can be several levels of difference.


I recall a movie I saw once, but can't remember the name of...
This man is telling another man about having seen a beautiful young woman from a distance at the beach one day. She was wearing a bikini and walking with a few of her friends. As the young woman walked closer, he saw that she was his 18 year old daughter. He became nauseous from the fact that he had even looked at her like that. He realized something in that moment.

[Muku]

TP here is a question that was originally posed to me earlier on this thread by Uminchu, how would you answer this?

Is this from an American perspective? Because the base of perception is part and parcel to the answer isn't it.


Is it morally wrong? Depends upon how one was raised and what one considers to be moral doesnt it?

I think that personally it is morally wrong for parents to exploit their children for monetary reasons. Plus one thing that is "known", at least by the parents and the photographers at least, is that these pictures are going to be salavated over, maybe masturbated to, and just maybe, just maybe, be the motivation for some man to go out and force himself onto some underage female or maybe male.

I will bet that the kids in these pictures have, at first that is, no true understanding of what they are being used for.

They trust their parents and probably, dont know for a fact, love the attention that they are getting. But do they know that they are being used? I would say that probably no they dont.

Once again though dont know for sure, other than having three kids myself and knowing that things of a sexual nature are not at the top of their list at the age of 11, or 12.

Maybe so, maybe not....

To me some of these pictures and others like them are pictures to titilate and exploit a market of people that are sexually attracted to young underage boys and girls. Because to me anyway there isnt a whole hell of a lot of difference between the bodies of a young boy or girl at that age...except the plumbing of course. Sure there are exceptions, like the girl in my OP.

It's about sex, plain and simple, at least to me anyways.

So that leaves the next question.......

Is pedophilia a normal attraction? To be physically or sexually attracted to these kids to me says at the minimum that people could have pedophilic tendencies. Because these kinds of pictures are NOT art, they are sexual in nature, at least the most recent ones that I posted here today. They are to me borderline to say the least.

Oh and I disagree with anyone that thinks otherwise.

Lastly pedophila is a crime, so is playing up to the pedophilic tendencies a crime as well? I dont know the answer to that, other than my opinion.

My goal here on this thread was to at the minimum raise awareness of somethings that are going on around people here while they live in Japan.

[TheNoNamedOne]

All good points, Muku, and I don't mind answering/addressing them -- and I will. But why not be a little considerate and tackle some of the points in my previous post #102. I don't think you have.

One of those refers to harm, which is important if welfare of the subject is the over-riding matter, despite any ill feeling one may have at the person using the photos for their jollies.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I think that personally it is morally wrong for parents to exploit their children for monetary reasons.

I understand you think that. And that is fine. But is it inherently wrong? This goes to my question of moral absolutism or moral relativism.

Plus one thing that is "known", at least by the parents and the photographers at least, is that these pictures are going to be salavated over, maybe masturbated to, ...

But what harm is done to this child here? Are they physically or mentally harmed?

... and just maybe, just maybe, be the motivation for some man to go out and force himself onto some underage female or maybe male.

"maybes" out the wazoo do not make it so. It is moote to even bring it up because the whole world is full of maybe's. Now, if you can show us that most men who force themselves on underage girls have this fetish of looking at these magazines and the causal relationship is for certain, then yes, you would have a good argument I may admit. But you have not done so. All that is is conjecture.

I will bet that the kids in these pictures have, at first that is, no true understanding of what they are being used for.

I think many of today's 14 yr old girls would know, perhaps even 12. For almost a decade there have been many documented cases of young girls involved in enjo kosai. But again, what tangible harm can you point to that is inherent so that the girls in these pics will experience that harm?

So that leaves the next question.......

Is pedophilia a normal attraction? To be physically or sexually attracted to these kids to me says at the minimum that people could have pedophilic tendencies. Because these kinds of pictures are NOT art, they are sexual in nature, at least the most recent ones that I posted here today. They are to me borderline to say the least.

Quite an interesting question. Legally it is forbidden. Biologically men are attracted to the female body. That is why I posed the point of "knowledge." The thing that defines pedophilia today is our man-made laws that demarc a border. And that rests on mere physical age regardless of mental age.

300 years ago it was common for women to mary at 14 and have sex to provide children for the family. Were they wrong? Or was it relative to the time? I am not defending pedophilia, but you are reframing the discussion from photos to sex crime by purposely associating the two and assuming that one will lead to or cause the other. Using the word "maybe" to connect the two does not offer a defense to say one will lead to the other, but not committed to flatly stating it will do so, and then free yourself from conjecture -- or even lessen the point of conjecture.

Unless there is ample evidence that young girls are molested by men who are affected by these magazines, it is not fair to associate the two. Doing so is like saying "People who kill others do so after having been affected by playing violent video games." As for this analogy, I think there is data beginning to come in to show the causal relation. However, with the clothed photos(albeit suggestive poses) --> pedophilia causal relationship I don't think there is.

My goal here on this thread was to at the minimum raise awareness of somethings that are going on around people here while they live in Japan.

Fair enough. But look at your poll. Look how you worded the choices. Very loaded. I think if you wanted to elicit the most truthful opinion from people without them being judged right off the bat in answering the poll, you shouldn't have posed the poll choices with language that is emotionaly charged and in a way mocking, and denegrating.

[Muku]

and I will. But why not be a little considerate and tackle some of the points in my previous post #102. I don't think you have.

Fair enough I will get to them sometime later today:) Hopefully someone else can chip in as well.

Edited to add.....

For some reason it just seems that this AM my brain is working in reverse.:dead:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

An entry on a Japan blog mentions girls as young as four are being shown on some websites:
http://japundit.com/archives/2007/11/14/7395/
This link is to the post regarding cheesecake models getting younger and younger. I had no idea it went THAT young...

[Muku]

So, if a young girl, let's just say 14 for argument sake, and her parents decide to publish her picture in provocative poses, BUT the publisher of the mag is not a specific genre and none of her personal information regarding age is provided, then it is not wrong? Or is it still wrong? Or is it just the act of going through the motions of doing such a thing that makes it wrong?
All depends on what she is wearing in my opinion. Provacative is one thing, creating and image of inviting sex is another. To some the two could be the same, and depending on the picture I would agree.

However if it's an 11 year old then to me at least yes it is wrong.

One other thing though, the word "wrong" itself creates an impression that something is black and white, in this instance to me it isnt black and white. It depends on the photo itself.

Yet I would still say the parents are exploiting their child. And that is wrong in my opinion.


Where is the guilt? Is it at perception of the viewer, or is it at the provider?
Hold one now, this question seems to jump to the conclusion that someone actually broke the law. But they havent. Unless the guilt you are talking about comes from within. If that is the case the people involved in this dont feel guilty from what I can tell, if they did I doubt that they would be continuing to have these photos taken.

Oh and for myself, probably because I still have the effects of being raised Roman Catholic in my system:-| somewhere, I personally feel guilty to a degree after seeing these pictures. That and the manner in which I was raised, in that showing off one's body in suggestive, provacative or in a sexual manner was taboo.

Perhaps it becomes wrong only if someone is harmed in some way. But there is no reason to believe that a majority of all these girls do become harmed.

Physically harmed, no, I havent seen anything either. Mentally, we dont know now do we. Odds are I would say no, but I will make a bet here that they have "grown up" pretty quick in realizing that people will pay them money to see them show off their bodies. Most kids I know that age wouldnt be caught dead doing that.

So is there harm in them realizing that they can use their bodies to make money? Does it get them thinking why? And at that age when their hormones start pumping do they start to think, hell people will pay for the pictures how about the "real thing"?

I disagee with any parent that would exploit their child for what ever reason. That also goes for the parents that exploit their kids for sports as well. Supporting and raising a child is hard enough without the added burdens of something like this.

[kombu_kid]

What's worse.....scoping out a young chicky who looks 19, or coercing your girlfriend/wife to don the "droopy socks/schoolgirl uniform" during.....shall we say, the "socks @ 12 O'clock position"? Hmmmmmm?......Yuk, Yuk, just thought I'd stir up the pot.

Anyhow, yeah, seeing some of those pictures is like, whoa....kind of like skating on very thin ice. You've just gotta come to the conclusion that there's a definite possibility these girls are going to have a future connection in some type of skin/sex career. That just stands to reason. Kind of like assuming that a child actor will have a much higher chance of going into rehab in the future. Either the parents are money hungry or they just don't think there's anything wrong with it. Funny how money can do that. Just think about the type of sleazeballs these people are dealing with....it's not hard to imagine they'd be offering more $$ for more action.

But I always wondered if, let's say China or many other countries in Asia, have accepted that a certain percentage of their female population will go into the "sex/skin" trade, and that it is a necessary normal part of society. In short, are we crazy or prudish? Or is the rest of the world perverted? And no, I'm not talking about the 11 year-old in the picture. What I mean is, if in Europe the legal age is 16 to "have relations", and the U.S. is 18, would all us Americans look at the Europeans as "pervs"? I always wondered about that too. For one thing, women used to be virgins when they got married, and were much more reserved about chasing guys and looking to get laid like little rabbits. I almost feel like guys shouldn't be required to push away an advancing chicky (within reason). I mean, that's bullsh*t.

One more thing....all guys can talk about this and that, but we all know what's on our mind much of the day. And I don't think anyone can truly say what they would do in a certain situation until they're in it. Whether we're talking about "chopping off the arms and legs" of a guy who hurt someone in your family, (we always say we would, but I don't see it happening), or I.D.ing some chicky who just climbed into bed with you and is rubbing her titties on you with her hand in your crotch.

I don't forsee any young hot chickys hittin' on this old dude, but things ain't like they used to be....I'm not chasin' any girlies, but how many guys would have the will power to push one away that's coming on to 'em? We just ain't wired to do that!

[kombu_kid]

I guess I got a little off-topic, but the first thing I thought when I saw that Sayaa Irie was, "oh, brother...". Seeing a young chick like that trying to look sexy is like seeing a 10 year-old boy trying to look like a badass.

Oh and then I clicked that link that EEL had, and I just LMAO. Is that sick, or just hilarious? I mean, please, somebody pinch me, I've gotta be dreaming.

Oh, did somebody tell me before that people aren't going to start wanting to marry their pets soon? Can you imagine how much people would want to screw aliens if they landed? Oh my God. You know what they say...."gotta get some strange".

[Ammoyankee]

If you are ever in doubt of age do a taste test! Well, it works with wine and cheese right? That's all you have to tell the cops...

[Bones]

I used to know some police women when I was here, and they used to dress up like School girls. Of course, they're older now.

Other women have taken their place, and I'm told that that the practice is quite effective, in catching these kinds of "Predators".

Don't know who the new women are, wouldn't tell you if I did.

But they do love their work. :first:

NBTP

[P_chan]

You wouldn't believe the stories my wife tells me about sukebe (sp) guys once she was young. Always getting harassed on her way home from school.

LOL my wife can dress up as a school girl for me now!:D I doubt it would happen though:(

[SexyBiGirl]

Look I love and I think it is beautiful.
The girls are covered and it is all within the law. Now you bet your ass if these girl were in fact being exploited I would be the first to want the people that took the pics, the publishers and the parents in jail but the fact is there is no crime here.

It looks good and I love it.

There are no laws broken and they are covered up.


And a side note if i was that age again I would pose in thes epics myself.

They are covered and its cute.

[SexyBiGirl]

NOW would I touch an underage girl? HELL NO!!!! Why it is wrong and illegal. But looking at a pic in a bathing suit. Nothing wrong with that.

[Oxmix]

How is one suppose to know if a girl in a picture is a minor or not unless her age is given.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/Oxmix/Hillary3.jpg

Regards

Ox

[P_chan]

Look I love and I think it is beautiful.
The girls are covered and it is all within the law. Now you bet your ass if these girl were in fact being exploited I would be the first to want the people that took the pics, the publishers and the parents in jail but the fact is there is no crime here.

It looks good and I love it.

There are no laws broken and they are covered up.


And a side note if i was that age again I would pose in thes epics myself.

They are covered and its cute.

Yes but you think that, at the time, this 11 year old girl knew why they wanted her to wear a bikini and pose like that? Most likely she didn't know she would be spank bank material for thousands of horny old men. Did her parents know that? You bet your ass they did, that's why they probably pushed her to do it. That would be a pretty good example of exploiting the girl.

[Asshat]

The photos added later certainly illustrate Muku's point. Had those photos been included inititially, I would have had a much different outlook on the OP.

A tastefull two-piece is much different from a behind shot of a girl in a thong on a bed.

[Muku]

The photos added later certainly illustrate Muku's point. Had those photos been included inititially, I would have had a much different outlook on the OP.

A tastefull two-piece is much different from a behind shot of a girl in a thong on a bed.
I owe you an apology for not posting them sooner, I really had my doubts about posting those that I did later.

You are correct I should have did it first.

I will remember this for future reference.:)

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/national/news/20071214p2a00m0na009000c.html

It is reportedly the first time for a case to be formed against suspects accused of exporting child pornography out of Japan. Investigators said the pair sent a DVD to an IT-related company in the United States to have child pornography uploaded to a server managed by the company in December 2006. The same year, child pornography became a banned item under a revision to Japan's Customs Law.

[Mad Hatter]

Has anyone asked the question yet... what if you didn't know they're age... would you still think they look sexy? Downloadable? do-able?

[dk]

Has anyone asked the question yet... what if you didn't know they're age... would you still think they look sexy? Downloadable? do-able?
If they looked at least 18. :p

[Mad Hatter]

Yeah.. if they were 18... I'd pee in their butts

[dk]

Hahahaha, I knew that was coming. :p

[Mad Hatter]

yeah... you can't knock unitl you try it... i'm out though... MEETING

[Tony Stacks]

If they looked at least 18. :p


They do look over 18.

[Muku]

They do look over 18.
To me the only one that would think that these girls look over 18 is close to that age themselves.

[Tony Stacks]

To me the only one that would think that these girls look over 18 is close to that age themselves.


It's just hard to tell in Japan. Chicks in their 30's still look like they're 20.

[Tony Stacks]

I CHANGE my mind about this! I was talking to a buddy about this and he braught up a point that changed my whole out look on this. These types of pics by themselves are not dangerous but what will happen to some sicko is the pics will no longer be enough and then he will look for real porn and then that won't be enough next thing you know a little girl or boy is attcked.

BECAUSE of this I change my position and think this material is not good.

[P_chan]

I CHANGE my mind about this! I was talking to a buddy about this and he braught up a point that changed my whole out look on this. These types of pics by themselves are not dangerous but what will happen to some sicko is the pics will no longer be enough and then he will look for real porn and then that won't be enough next thing you know a little girl or boy is attcked.

BECAUSE of this I change my position and think this material is not good.

I think I, as well as others, have been saying this all along.

[Asshat]

I think I, as well as others, have been saying this all along.

There is too much research out there that dispells rape or sexual violence being the cause of a sex drive.

Looking at the pic and NOT KNOWING her age, is innocent. Looking at a couple of smut vids doesn't make me go force two women to have sex with me.

[okisteve]

Looking at the pic and NOT KNOWING her age, is innocent. Looking at a couple of smut vids doesn't make me go force two women to have sex with me.

Well, then what the hell does? <3Quit teasing us, curious minds want to know!

[kombu_kid]

Hasn't it always been said that rape has nothing to do with sex, it's all about power, control and violence?

And if that's true, should we then have the PC Police eliminate all adult videos that contain images of bondage, rape scenes etc?

I'm not saying I'm in favor of these photos. What I'm saying is that I really don't believe that viewing them would lead a person to rape.

[Hollarey]

Actually, I have to stories that lead to what you guys are talking about at this moment.

My mother was 16 and driving for the first time. She was a knock-out; beautiful, long, blonde hair. Back in those days there were always undercover cop cars and they had the light/siren placed in the dash or on the hood. She had noticed a car had been following her. The car came up beside her and he was waving her to pull over. She said their was a light in his dash but the light wasnt on. She pulled over anyways because she didnt want to get in trouble. So she rolled the window down just slightly and asked what was wrong and he asked her to open her door. She refused and kept asking what was wrong. He started getting upset and banged on the window and tried to open the door and yelled at her to open the door. She got scared and speed off to the nearest public location. She reported the vehicle and the tag number to the police and told them that she drove off from being pulled over from what she thought was a undercover police vehicle but the guy was being violent towards her. They found him and pulled him over and he had a porn magazine in the passenger seat and it was open to a long, blonded hair girl. He actually admitted that he became aroused to the girl in the magazine and then saw my mother that looked similar and wanted to have sex with her. This wasnt the first time either and was found to be responsible for a number of other rapes in the area.

Also, my brother who was 11, molested another family member who was 6 while watching porn. He said he became aroused and wanted to do the things that they were doing in the movie. He convinced her that it was normal because that is what they were doing. She went with it.

So yeah, I do believe that porn contributes to rape or even to molestation.

[Asshat]

Porn contributes to rape or molestation only in individuals who are sick. (Or perhaps very young)

I just don't buy it. I have never thought about forcing a woman to have sex, not including certain fantasies with willing partners of course.

[Hollarey]

Porn contributes to rape or molestation only in individuals who are sick. (Or perhaps very young)


I agree!!!

[Peekaboo33]

Could you share with everyone here why you love these pictures, one of a pre-teen, at 11 years old and another of a girl only 14?

What's the attraction?

You cant blame a guy being attracted to her I mean look at the picture she is beautiful. What would be wrong would be to act on that attraction and try something with her.

[P_chan]

You cant blame a guy being attracted to her I mean look at the picture she is beautiful. What would be wrong would be to act on that attraction and try something with her.

Sure she looks pretty. She also looks to be about 12 years old. Honestly, some Japanese women have small bodies like this girl, but she has the face of a child.

[Cathleen_38]

wow! this is such a hot debate. The girl can't help being built the way she is,
and you have pervert grandpas staring at her, what's a girl to do? Wise parents can't always protect their daughters, media goes into a frenzy because of her shapely figure, thus making billions off of her photos.... hmmm.. one has to ponder what to do, what to do... put your foot down. maybe. but if it's an innocent shot, there's no harm in it. it's a state of mind.
you can look at the photo and think oh, what a smoking hot babe. because you're perverted. or you can look at it and go oh, a bathing suit ad .... I'd buy that bathing suit, how much does it cost? will it fit? where can I get it at? you see what I'm saying here. alot depends on how you pose in the pictures, modeling a product. if you are selling sex;then, it will come across that way. Depends on what you're aiming for in the market, are you selling clothes, or are you posing as a rock star? you see what I mean?

[Muku]

Wise parents can't always protect their daughters, media goes into a frenzy because of her shapely figure, thus making billions off of her photos.... hmmm.. one has to ponder what to do, what to do... put your foot down. maybe. but if it's an innocent shot, there's no harm in it. it's a state of mind.

Question for you then.....what about the parents that go out of their way to seemingly exploit those looks and innocence for financial gain.

If you go back and look through some of those pictures of one of the girls, the mother is involved as well, and the daughter isnt shapely at all either, in fact if you covered her head it would be pretty hard to tell if she was actually a she, flat on both sides.

[Peekaboo33]

Sure she looks pretty. She also looks to be about 12 years old. Honestly, some Japanese women have small bodies like this girl, but she has the face of a child.

ive been in Japan since 2001 and I have seen many girls like my cousin in law that is 20 but she looks like she is 15 at most.Now once again about the girl in the picture. Its not sick to think shes hot its sick to want to sleep with her. I think she is hot and will be even hotter when she grows up but I would never try anything with her sane people just know its wrong. Or how about if she lied about her age and the guy thought she was 20 then who would you blame??? Would he really be in the wrong?

[Muku]

Or how about if she lied about her age and the guy thought she was 20 then who would you blame??? Would he really be in the wrong?

Let's through it back at you and ask this.....if he got arrested for rape who do you think is going to get thrown in jail, whether she lied or not?

[P_chan]

ive been in Japan since 2001 and I have seen many girls like my cousin in law that is 20 but she looks like she is 15 at most.Now once again about the girl in the picture. Its not sick to think shes hot its sick to want to sleep with her. I think she is hot and will be even hotter when she grows up but I would never try anything with her sane people just know its wrong. Or how about if she lied about her age and the guy thought she was 20 then who would you blame??? Would he really be in the wrong?

I too have a cousin who is 25, but I thought she was 16 once I first met her. I know they're out there, but this girl doesn't look like she's 15, she looks like she's 12. Just take a good look at her face instead of her rack, and you can tell. How could she lie about her age once she looks underage to begin with? It would be the guys fault because even though she said she's 18, deep down he can really tell that she is underage by just looking at her, and I'm not talking about her rack. It's also easy to tell just by talking to a girl if she is underage or not.

[Boost]

Or how about if she lied about her age and the guy thought she was 20 then who would you blame??? Would he really be in the wrong?

In the eyes of the law, yes.

Which is why now-a-days us guys have to make a photo copy of the girls id to prove we really took steps to ensure they were really of age! Can never be to careful these days and it is always better to cover yer own (_V_)

[Peekaboo33]

In the eyes of the law, yes.

Which is why now-a-days us guys have to make a photo copy of the girls id to prove we really took steps to ensure they were really of age! Can never be to careful these days and it is always better to cover yer own (_V_)

lol So so true

[Peekaboo33]

I too have a cousin who is 25, but I thought she was 16 once I first met her. I know they're out there, but this girl doesn't look like she's 15, she looks like she's 12. Just take a good look at her face instead of her rack, and you can tell. How could she lie about her age once she looks underage to begin with? It would be the guys fault because even though she said she's 18, deep down he can really tell that she is underage by just looking at her, and I'm not talking about her rack. It's also easy to tell just by talking to a girl if she is underage or not.

im not talking about her rack either im just saying you cant always tell her age by her looks. Honestly I dont see whats so bad about the pictures. If she goes to the beach she looks just like that.... So then is everyone sick for looking at her at the beach? One thing you have to understand I am a guy so I know. Guys are going to look if she is hot. Later we will be like damn I feel bad I think that girl was to young. Just like when I opened this post it says whats wrong with this pic. The first thing I thought was nothing shes hot. Then I read how old she was and then I understood the question and felt a little bad.

[Muku]

im not talking about her rack either im just saying you cant always tell her age by her looks. Honestly I dont see whats so bad about the pictures. If she goes to the beach she looks just like that.... So then is everyone sick for looking at her at the beach? One thing you have to understand I am a guy so I know. Guys are going to look if she is hot. Later we will be like damn I feel bad I think that girl was to young. Just like when I opened this post it says whats wrong with this pic. The first thing I thought was nothing shes hot. Then I read how old she was and then I understood the question and felt a little bad.
Do me a favor and answer the question I posted to your previous reply here.

I am a guy as well and I know what you are trying to say, however the girl in question may have the body of a grown woman but still looks as if she is a kid.

[P_chan]

im not talking about her rack either im just saying you cant always tell her age by her looks.

But in the picture in question, you can tell. Nine times out of 10 you can tell a 12 year old from a 16 year old, even if she has an overly developed body.

So then is everyone sick for looking at her at the beach?

Totally different scenario from a picture like this one. I've made this point once before, but I'm going to make it again. If your at the beach and this happens:

You: "Damn you see that chick's bod? She's fine as hell, I'd love to take a bite out of her ass!
friend 1: "Hell yeah dude I'd hit that in a minute!"
friend 2: "that's not cool dude, that's my 12 year old sister!"

In that scenario it's perfectly ok to oogle the girl, because you didn't know, and you stopped once you found out. Yet this next one is different:

Friend: "Hey man check this magazine spread out, this girl is fine!"
You: "Your right she's got a nice bod!"
Friend: "Yeah the greatest part is that she's only 12! I've rubbed a few off to her already!"
You: "HENTAI!!!!"

That would be unacceptable! But then again, you could play the blame game with this. Who is more of a sicko? The magazine company/parents for exploiting a girl so young, or you for enjoying the pictures even though you know her age?

I am a guy so I know.

That is the biggest load of bullshit I've heard all day. You can't blame anything you do on you being a "guy". I'm a guy and if I saw a girl with a nice body at the beach from a distance, you bet I'd check her out. But if she got close enough and I could tell she was 12 years old, I'd feel guilty and I'd look away.

[Peekaboo33]

But in the picture in question, you can tell. Nine times out of 10 you can tell a 12 year old from a 16 year old, even if she has an overly developed body.



Totally different scenario from a picture like this one. I've made this point once before, but I'm going to make it again. If your at the beach and this happens:

You: "Damn you see that chick's bod? She's fine as hell, I'd love to take a bite out of her ass!
friend 1: "Hell yeah dude I'd hit that in a minute!"
friend 2: "that's not cool dude, that's my 12 year old sister!"

In that scenario it's perfectly ok to oogle the girl, because you didn't know, and you stopped once you found out. Yet this next one is different:

Friend: "Hey man check this magazine spread out, this girl is fine!"
You: "Your right she's got a nice bod!"
Friend: "Yeah the greatest part is that she's only 12! I've rubbed a few off to her already!"
You: "HENTAI!!!!"

That would be unacceptable! But then again, you could play the blame game with this. Who is more of a sicko? The magazine company/parents for exploiting a girl so young, or you for enjoying the pictures even though you know her age?



That is the biggest load of bullshit I've heard all day. You can't blame anything you do on you being a "guy". I'm a guy and if I saw a girl with a nice body at the beach from a distance, you bet I'd check her out. But if she got close enough and I could tell she was 12 years old, I'd feel guilty and I'd look away.

Your talking crap about what I wrote. But im actually going to give you props on what you wrote. I might not have wrote as nice sounding as you but thats exactly what I meant. Oh and I wasnt blaming anything for being a guy. I just know me. The same thing if I seen her I would be like damn then when I noticed or if someone told me she was 12 I would feel bad. However it still wouldnt change the fact she is hot it would just feel wrong to think a little kid is hot.

[Peekaboo33]

I think the blame should go on the parents for letting the magazine take the pics.

[Muku]

I think the blame should go on the parents for letting the magazine take the pics.
Ok I see you can't answer the question, can I safely assume that is because it puts you in a difficult position in justifying what you wrote so far.

Oh and I agree it is the parents that should be blamed as well.:)

[Peekaboo33]

Let's through it back at you and ask this.....if he got arrested for rape who do you think is going to get thrown in jail, whether she lied or not?

The guy would get thrown in jail for sure. Not that I think its to much of his fault. If she was asking grown men to sleep with her it would be her parents fault. I have had a situation　happen to me like that. I had a 15 yr old that looked as old as me when I was 19 hit on me and the next day her friend told me she just turned 15. I didnt sleep with the girl cause I was engaged, but to be honest I would have if I had been single and then I might have went to jail but i really didnt know.

[Peekaboo33]

Ok I see you can't answer the question, can I safely assume that is because it puts you in a difficult position in justifying what you wrote so far.

Oh and I agree it is the parents that should be blamed as well.:)

what question?

[Muku]

Originally Posted by Peekaboo33
Or how about if she lied about her age and the guy thought she was 20 then who would you blame??? Would he really be in the wrong?

Let's through it back at you and ask this.....if he got arrested for rape who do you think is going to get thrown in jail, whether she lied or not?

Look back a bit in the thread it is a recent post in reply to a comment you made to Pchan I think

[Peekaboo33]

Look back a bit in the thread it is a recent post in reply to a comment you made to Pchan I think

If you are talking about the rape question. Then the guy would go to jail but in reallity if a girl comes on to you that looks around the same age as you then your not going to check her id. I mean take a second and just be honest if a hot girl came up to you right now and your single and asks you to go to bed with her. Your not going to think hmmmm I need to check her id, your going to think damn its my lucky day lol. Then when your in court your going to wish you would of checked.

[P_chan]

Your talking crap about what I wrote.

Not really talking crap about what you wrote, just disagreeing with it.

[Peekaboo33]

Not really talking crap about what you wrote, just disagreeing with it.

but your points your making are close to mine

[P_chan]

But your original posts come off with a "Oh well I don't care" attitude. Almost like "Oh well, she's still hot, there isn't anything wrong with exploiting her since she's hot." Which, IMHO, is the wrong way to think about it.

[Peekaboo33]

But your original posts come off with a "Oh well I don't care" attitude. Almost like "Oh well, she's still hot, there isn't anything wrong with exploiting her since she's hot." Which, IMHO, is the wrong way to think about it.

Im not saying oh well shes hot. However I dont see anything wrong with the pictures. Its what the perverted guys do with it that make it a bad thing. I mean if she was naked or something then I could understand why everyone is going so crazy but for real if you ever go to the states pic up a macy's magazine and you will see stuff damn near the same in the bathing suit section. But because it was to sell clothes does that make it ok. There is nothing wrong with a picture of a pretty girl in a bathingsuit no matter how old she is. Its buying and using it to get off that is sick.

[P_chan]

If she was just modeling bikinis for young girls, I wouldn't have a problem with this picture. But it's quote obvious that she isn't modeling bikinis to kids. The pictures were taken with the intent of filling a bunch of horny guy's spank banks, that's why it's wrong.

[kombu_kid]

When they outlaw these pics/magazines, those guys will just have to go back to the "junior miss" bra models in the sale papers.:D

[Muku]

When they outlaw these pics/magazines, those guys will just have to go back to the "junior miss" bra models in the sale papers.:D

Or peeking looks in the National Geographic's at the public library:eek:

[benderboyboy]

There's nothing wrong with the picture. It's only wrong if the beholder view it as wrong. The only thing wrong here is that people are talking of things they do not understand and claim their point of view as true. Child modelling does not leads to porn and child in swimsuit does not lead to child porn. Yes, I've read all the post and many have been suggesting that so don't give me the 'look before you write' thing.

The worst part is, the people who are not even from Japan are judging even though they know damn well that their own country might not be any better. Modelling is an art, not against the law. It is only erotic if you think so.

Another thing is, people from earlier posts have been blaming parents for all these and they don't even know who they are talking about. Being on a fair side here, parents are not at fault for children wanting to model even if there are any faults in the first place. They are not at fault if the child turns to porn. It's the child's decision and nobody elses. IF it IS the parents fault, is it also the fault of the parents in America that some child model have become an actor thanks to their modelling? Why no complains about them? Why only praises for them? Why only judge Japan? Why not judge your own countries? So it's right when your own country does it but wrong when others does it? Or did I just missread all the twenty over posts before suggesting this?

It is not the fault of the company that publish the girls, it is the fault of the men out there who thinks dirty of it. Have anyone ever stop to think that maybe the girls are just trying to maybe I don't know, earn a living? Chasing a dream? Maybe they're trying to catch the attention of a talent scout or something like that? So when I take picture of my sister, that's porno too issit? So are you people trying to say taking pictures of young girls are instantly considered erotic?

Have cultural seperation really impacted the world SO much that not one person here have even bothered to dig deeper into the truth? Not one here even bothered to view the opinion of others over their own and consider it for a mement? Posts by uminchi and miku have raises many questions about this, I suggest you read them. And yes, I have considered every post and have placed them over my own opinion but truth to be told, almost all of them didn't make enough sense, have little to no logic whatsoever, didn't talked about it from the CHILD'S point of view and have not been absolutely fair in judgement.

People may hate or even agree with my post but please read and consider and you may be able to find out what is really the problem with the question that you've all been talking of. This is my first and last post here, DON'T expect to hear from me anytime soon.

[P_chan]

Never said (nor did anyone else) that my(their) point of view is the only true one.

There's nothing wrong with the picture. It's only wrong if the beholder view it as wrong.

I would agree with this.....if she was modeling bikinis for kids. But it's obvious that there are alternate motives to these pictures. As with most young T back models.

IF it IS the parents fault, is it also the fault of the parents in America that some child model have become an actor thanks to their modelling? Why no complains about them? Why only praises for them? Why only judge Japan? Why not judge your own countries? So it's right when your own country does it but wrong when others does it? Or did I just missread all the twenty over posts before suggesting this?

Why no complaints about modeling in the states? Because that's not what this thread is about:rolleyes: Wow, you should have read though the rest of the forum before you said this. No one is saying "Japan is the only one to blame for this" or "This only happens in japan". Once again, your insinuating things here.

The worst part is, the people who are not even from Japan are judging even though they know damn well that their own country might not be any better. Modelling is an art, not against the law. It is only erotic if you think so.

I'd think before you say that. Some people have been in japan for a very long time, and are Japanese citizens. You talk about people in here shouldn't be judging, once you yourself are doing just that. Pot calling the kettle....

It's the child's decision and nobody elses.

But you left out the fact that parents have an influence on their child's decisions. That is why some people are blaming the parents. I believe it's a mixture of bad decisions, and not one person's fault.

It is not the fault of the company that publish the girls, it is the fault of the men out there who thinks dirty of it. Have anyone ever stop to think that maybe the girls are just trying to maybe I don't know, earn a living? Chasing a dream? Maybe they're trying to catch the attention of a talent scout or something like that? So when I take picture of my sister, that's porno too issit? So are you people trying to say taking pictures of young girls are instantly considered erotic?

Instantly erotic? You're insinuating things again. Earn a living? Extreme circumstances aside, why would a 12 year old need to "earn" a living?

Like I said before, it's not all one person's fault.

[gunny8511]

[QUOTE=P_chan;32523]There's nothing pornographic about it true, but you would have to be a blind moron to not know what it's hinting at. What makes it worse is it's from a girl who is so young, who really doesn't have any understanding of what she is doing. IMHO I think it's her parents who are "whoring" (no pun intended) her out like this. Just look at Chiaki Kuriyama. She became famous by doing similar bikini spreads and nude spreads too, once she was only 13. The nude photos are still one of her most popular works. Kinda shows you were a lot of japanese men's interests lay:barf:

Answer me this, Rick Ross and "sexy" bigirl, would you change your tune if it was YOUR 11 year old daughter a bunch of horny old men were eye humping?

Funny train of thought, never liked it. Don't worry about anything until it effects you personally. Usually, by that time, the problem is already out of hand.



All of this mess is why you will NOT see pics of my kids on the internet. So many people are quick to post their "proud parent" pics on the internet, and then act "shocked; shocked I tell you" when their kids pics end up on some pedophile's website. Happens all the damned time.

I have no idea if that's the case with the pics in the original post, but it's still creepy that guys are getting off on it. They're harmless pics that have been made erotic by the context that they were displayed in.

A sad state of affairs.

[Son Kokujin]

Holy R-Kelly ism, Batman!!!

[Lursyobwoc]

Asuka Izumi (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.scramble-egg.com/artist/event06/i09/9izumi_asuka07.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.scramble-egg.com/artist/event06/izumi_asuka02.htm&h=668&w=344&sz=30&hl=en&start=19&tbnid=H03-fOUQ8Bn1OM:&tbnh=138&tbnw=71&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAsuka%2BIzumi%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10% 26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG)

In my opinion the mother here should be slapped:cursing:[/B]

:ohmy: There is NO WAY my 13 year old daughter would wear something like that at her age. A thong at that age showing it off to the rest of the world?!?!?! :ohmy: She'd be grounded for life if I, or her mom, caught her in something like that.

[slickmetal]

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Fooled him, will fool anyone.

[BleuEneG]

There's nothing wrong with the picture. It's only wrong if the beholder view it as wrong. The only thing wrong here is that people are talking of things they do not understand and claim their point of view as true. Child modelling does not leads to porn and child in swimsuit does not lead to child porn. Yes, I've read all the post and many have been suggesting that so don't give me the 'look before you write' thing.

The worst part is, the people who are not even from Japan are judging even though they know damn well that their own country might not be any better. Modelling is an art, not against the law. It is only erotic if you think so.

Another thing is, people from earlier posts have been blaming parents for all these and they don't even know who they are talking about. Being on a fair side here, parents are not at fault for children wanting to model even if there are any faults in the first place. They are not at fault if the child turns to porn. It's the child's decision and nobody elses. IF it IS the parents fault, is it also the fault of the parents in America that some child model have become an actor thanks to their modelling? Why no complains about them? Why only praises for them? Why only judge Japan? Why not judge your own countries? So it's right when your own country does it but wrong when others does it? Or did I just missread all the twenty over posts before suggesting this?

It is not the fault of the company that publish the girls, it is the fault of the men out there who thinks dirty of it. Have anyone ever stop to think that maybe the girls are just trying to maybe I don't know, earn a living? Chasing a dream? Maybe they're trying to catch the attention of a talent scout or something like that? So when I take picture of my sister, that's porno too issit? So are you people trying to say taking pictures of young girls are instantly considered erotic?

Have cultural seperation really impacted the world SO much that not one person here have even bothered to dig deeper into the truth? Not one here even bothered to view the opinion of others over their own and consider it for a mement? Posts by uminchi and miku have raises many questions about this, I suggest you read them. And yes, I have considered every post and have placed them over my own opinion but truth to be told, almost all of them didn't make enough sense, have little to no logic whatsoever, didn't talked about it from the CHILD'S point of view and have not been absolutely fair in judgement.

People may hate or even agree with my post but please read and consider and you may be able to find out what is really the problem with the question that you've all been talking of. This is my first and last post here, DON'T expect to hear from me anytime soon.

Is it just me or does anyone else suspect that this is not someone new at all but someone already active on this thread who posted a new screen name?