Are PM's fair game for posting on the open board?

[Muku]

Question to dk and all members, if a member sends a PM to another member does the receipient have the right to post the information on the open board?

I see nothing in the rules here that precludes anyone from doing such.

Is it not up to the discretion of the receipient on making the decision to share the information included withing the PM?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Question to dk and all members, if a member sends a PM to another member does the receipient have the right to post the information on the open board?

I see nothing in the rules here that precludes anyone from doing such.

Is it not up to the discretion of the receipient on making the decision to share the information included withing the PM?
What part of private don't you understand?:thumbdown:

[TheNoNamedOne]

Private Messages are just that, "Private." That is why they are called private messages. Muku, you are correct that the rules do not state so, and perhaps for those who do not understand what private messages mean, then maybe there should be a rule to spell it out for them. Up until now, though, I think everyone has understood them to be private.

There is a forwarding function that someone can indeed use to share them with another recipient, and that could be useful when someone insults you in them and you want to let mods or admin to know about that, but the private nature of them should not allow one to think they are to be posted in the open on the boards. If the sender wanted the world to see it, they would have posted it in the open on the board. Why else would Vbulletin programmers create a PM system if they did not have the idea of privacy in mind when creating it?

I am pretty sure dk respects that thought and understands that and agrees with it. IF not and he has an opposite belief of me about them, then when he can, I think he will tell me I am wrong and that they are all fair game for being posted in the open. Though, I am betting he will not.

We will see.

[Fonze]

What part of private don't you understand?:thumbdown:

Why dont you stop following members with nonsense you sound like okiprince.

[Muku]

Private Messages are just that, "Private." That is why they are called private messages. Muku, you are correct that the rules do not state so, and perhaps for those who do not understand what private messages mean, then maybe there should be a rule to spell it out for them. Up until now, though, I think everyone has understood them to be private.
I know what the word private means.:rolleyes:

However there may come a time and place for any member to share the information if they so see fit to do so. That is an individuals right. It is also an individual members right here to choose whether or not to receive PM's from any other member excluding the admin and moderators.

Also since there is no rule as of now about this, members should be free at their own discretion to share what they choose to share.

Until the time a rule is included there should be no interference on whether or not a person chooses to share any information.


The point has nothing to do with the function. The point is hearing how people here, other members, feel about sharing PM's on the open board, if the situation arose that they found it to be necessary.

Oh and I am going to pass on commenting on the condscending nature of certain portions of this post; other than to make a note that they were not missed.:rolleyes:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Look I didnt just crawl out from under a rock here you know. I know what the word private means.
Clearly you have no conception of the word private. Do you snoop throught the email on your wife's cell phone?

[Muku]

I am pretty sure dk respects that thought and understands that and agrees with it. IF not and he has an opposite belief of me about them, then when he can, I think he will tell me I am wrong and that they are all fair game for being posted in the open. Though, I am betting he will not.
Then I would suggest we let him think and talk for himself.

[Fonze]

Clearly you have no conception of the word private. Do you snoop throught the email on your wife's cell phone?

Go teach some young boys your tricks of your teacher trade. Thailand anyone. using oki as a base of opration huh?:thumbdown: JK

[Fonze]

Then I would suggest we let him think and talk for himself.

Muku im sure he's already contacted him and pleaded his case.

[socalheart]

I believe that personal ethics plays a role in this. Posting something from a PM to incite discontent is ill-advised. What is that saying from some old, dead guy? "Discretion is the better part of valour."


For example, if someone sends an "off color" joke to you in a PM, and you want to share it; I don't see a problem with it, as long as you understand that someone else may be offended by it. If someone sends you a lot of information on a something specifically pertinent to your situation, like cancer info for example, I don't see the harm in posting it publicly. If someone sends a negative PM about yourself or another member, I think it's prudent to simply forward it to dk.
Also since there is no rule as of now about this, members should be free at their own discretion to share what they choose to share.
Until the time a rule is included there should be no interference on whether or not a person chooses to share any information.

[Fonze]

I think since there is no rule it should be ok.

Oh TP let me remind you of rule #4No trolling. A troll is someone who enters a discussion with the intent of stirring up trouble. Coming into a topic with no other motive than to anger the members, moderators, and/or administrator is not fine.

Is this not what eel continues to do? Be a mod and publicly tell him like you do the rest of us.

[Muku]

I believe that personal ethics plays a role in this. Posting something from a PM to incite discontent is ill-advised. What is that saying from some old, dead guy? "Discretion is the better part of valour."


For example, if someone sends an "off color" joke to you in a PM, and you want to share it; I don't see a problem with it, as long as you understand that someone else may be offended by it. If someone sends you a lot of information on a something specifically pertinent to your situation, like cancer info for example, I don't see the harm in posting it publicly. If someone sends a negative PM about yourself or another member, I think it's prudent to simply forward it to dk.

Thank you for chipping in here with your opinion. I used the word discretion with a direct purpose in mind here, because I agree with the need for discretion.

However this thread was born from the fact that TP directly censored one of the Fonzes posts here for it having information included from a PM.

Since there is no rule against it, as of this time, there is no justification for the action.

[DocTurtle]

Clearly you have no conception of the word private. Do you snoop throught the email on your wife's cell phone?

Wow, that's a rather rude and unfair persumption to make there Eelecurb. I'll have to go with Muku on this one, knowingly risking that I'll probably get lumped into being a minion as the cost.

PM's were designed so that one person could send something to another without the need to publicly post something, I think everyone can acknowledge and agree with that. But like all things sent from one person to another, they can be shared publicly via chioce of the receipient. If the sender does not want to have his or her message sent out to the public then they should request as much so that the receipient knows this and should respect that privacy.

At the same time, the sender of the originial message should also realise what they are sending to someone could always end up in the publics hands so they should be mindful of what they send out. You wouldn't give your atm pin number to a stranger would you? So why PM stuff you don't want hung out to people you don't really know? Think about who you are messaging.

If you are in a heated arguement with someone about a certain subject and you PM him to rant at him/her, they are in no way entitled to keep it in the PM.

I will say that it does keep the forums a little less cluttered, but then again we all love the drama here anyways or else why would we create it and play along? :thumbup:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Wow, that's a rather rude and unfair persumption to make there Eelecurb. I'll have to go with Muku on this one, knowingly risking that I'll probably get lumped into being a minion as the cost.
DocT,

No presumptions. Merely a pointed question to try and see what, if any, boundaries Muku respects.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Also since there is no rule as of now about this, members should be free at their own discretion to share what they choose to share.

Yes, there is no rule. And because of that, as a moderator I am telling you (or you may want to consider it asking) to not post PMs unless the sender has made it understood to you that it is ok to post it. Until a rule comes out to spell it out for those who do not understand the obvious, then consider this rule as the patch to not do so after I have told you (or anyone) not to:

Rule 14: If a moderator or administrator asks you to do something, do it. Moderators are here to help keep the forums civilized. If you have a serious problem with a moderator, contact the administrator (dk). "I don't like him" does not constitute a serious problem. Do not waste dk's time.

I am asking/telling to not do it.

[Fonze]

I think if the person that got the pm doesn't mind than it should be okay to post public. am i wrong?

I mean the person writing the pm is doing it out of respect than if the person who got it should be the one who decides to post it. am i wrong?

[DocTurtle]

The point has nothing to do with the function. The point is hearing how people here, other members, feel about sharing PM's on the open board, if the situation arose that they found it to be necessary.

re:eelecurb

You're reply Clearly you have no conception of the word private. Do you snoop throught the email on your wife's cell phone?
seemed more of an attack to be honest. He states point of the post, which I quoted above.
Answering a question with a question (Do you snoop throught the email on your wife's cell phone?) is only witty when you make a point, but yours does not seem to make any subject reference to the actual point of the thread? Hence why I state it as an attack rather than a pointed question. Plus, aren't pointed questions normally put out to belittle someone? I thought we were bigger than this. :(

[Fonze]

eel has been doing this lately, but the mod is his elitest equal minded sophisticate and doesn't catch it, nor will he do anything about it

[TheNoNamedOne]

Fonze, knock it off.

And for your information, "JK" is not a cover for insults. Be careful of how your refer to mods.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

re:eelecurb

You're reply
seemed more of an attack to be honest. He states point of the post, which I quoted above.
Answering a question with a question (Do you snoop throught the email on your wife's cell phone?) is only witty when you make a point, but yours does not seem to make any subject reference to the actual point of the thread? Hence why I state it as an attack rather than a pointed question. Plus, are pointed questions normally put out to belittle someone? I thought we were bigger than this. :(
A misunderstanding on your part, DocT. You're welcome to your opinion, of course, but it's incorrect in this case. Muku is trying to get away with (or help others get away with) indiscreet behavior by trying to flaunt what her perceives as loopholes in the rules. That would suggest a lack of personal ethics, hence the pointed question.

[Fonze]

TP is not saying someones lack of personal ethics a insult? please be a bigger man and answer it? dont be Narrow minded.

You also dont like being called an elitest sophisticate. I think thats a compliment

I know have 8 infraction for writing jk.

[DocTurtle]

A misunderstanding on your part, DocT. You're welcome to your opinion, of course, but it's incorrect in this case. Muku is trying to get away with (or help others get away with) indiscreet behavior by trying to flaunt what her perceives as loopholes in the rules. That would suggest a lack of personal ethics, hence the pointed question.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one eelecurb.

...The point is hearing how people here... feel about sharing PM's on the open board,...

The OP even states that it's just an open question to everyone to get their opinion on the topic. Now wether the question has been presented to find a loop hole or not could be in question I'm sure, but if the post seemed inappropriate in that manner, I'm sure a mod would have locked or deleted the thread, don't you?

Pointed questions in the manner done have little productivity to the thread. If anything they lead to unnessicary banter between two or more people that just end up in undertone insults and whatnot. Pointed questions have no place in a friendly debate or a simple open to the public question. There is no reason to try to pull out someones ethics like dirty laundry.


PM's like anything else can always be misconstrude anyways. It's like the media, take what you want out of it and make it sound the way you want. Besides, TP has already said that it is not to be permitted so we have an answer to the question.

Edited:
One last thing, to disagree with an opinion and make that point known is one thing, telling someone their opinion is wrong is just rude. Etiquette (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/etiquette)

[Fonze]

The problem doc is we dont have a fair mod but a very biased narrow minded one on now that cannot even answer serious question only ones he wants. what kind of person is that. I really hope dk thinks about his choice over the decisions he has made today.

Don't get me wrong im no angel but iv'e asked him stuff with no answer.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one eelecurb.
Yes, I think we are. Since you took the opportunity to expand on why we should agree to disagree, please allow me the same leeway.

The OP even states that it's just an open question to everyone to get their opinion on the topic. Now wether the question has been presented to find a loop hole or not could be in question I'm sure, but if the post seemed inappropriate in that manner, I'm sure a mod would have locked or deleted the thread, don't you?
The OP later clarified by additional posts and modifications. If his original question did indeed include what you've paraphrased nicely, it would have been easy enough to spell it all out from the start. No, I don't think there would have been any deleted or locked topics. Perhaps a message, like we had, but certainly not so extreme a measure as you suggest.

Pointed questions in the manner done have little productivity to the thread. If anything they lead to unnessicary banter between two or more people that just end up in undertone insults and whatnot. Pointed questions have no place in a friendly debate or a simple open to the public question. There is no reason to try to pull out someones ethics like dirty laundry.
When someone is trying to bend or break rules for their own benefit, or violate the spirit of the law, it's reasonable to question their motivation. Further, my question was to a follow-up the OP made, and made for the purpose of discovering if the OP has any conception of the very word private. Some in the political world have been trying to redefine commonly understood and widely accepted words to justify suspicious behavior. While on a far, far smaller scale, the parallel is striking.

PM's like anything else can always be misconstrude anyways. It's like the media, take what you want out of it and make it sound the way you want. Besides, TP has already said that it is not to be permitted so we have an answer to the question.
We can agree on this final point.

edit: Aw, ya went an done edited yer post. OK, your opinion is not wrong, per se, but based on a mistaken interpretation.

[DocTurtle]

The problem doc is we dont have a fair mod but a very biased narrow minded one on now that cannot even answer serious question only one he wants. what kind of person is that. I really hope dk thinks about his choice over the decisions he has made today.

Don't get me wrong im no angel but iv'e asked him stuff with no answer.

The best part about being the boss, is answering to no one that you don't want to.

[Fonze]

The best part about being the boss, is answering to no one that you don't want to.

but what does that say about that person that belongs to this community as someone who is supposed to be the higher moral ground. I could understand it if this was a business but it's not.

[Fonze]

The problem doc is we dont have a fair mod but a very biased narrow minded one on now that cannot even answer serious question only ones he wants. what kind of person is that. I really hope dk thinks about his choice over the decisions he has made today.

Don't get me wrong im no angel but iv'e asked him stuff with no answer.

Okay so i recieved another infraction for this one. Thanks TP for showing your bias.

I sure hope dk doesn't agree with your tactics.


Okay so i recieved another infraction for this one. Thanks TP for showing your bias.

I sure hope dk doesn't agree with your tactics.

[DougP]

Yes, there is no rule. And because of that, as a moderator I am telling you (or you may want to consider it asking) to not post PMs unless the sender has made it understood to you that it is ok to post it. Until a rule comes out to spell it out for those who do not understand the obvious, then consider this rule as the patch to not do so after I have told you (or anyone) not to:

Rule 14: If a moderator or administrator asks you to do something, do it. Moderators are here to help keep the forums civilized. If you have a serious problem with a moderator, contact the administrator (dk). "I don't like him" does not constitute a serious problem. Do not waste dk's time.

I am asking/telling to not do it.

On the civilized part perhaps some of these threads should get locked long before the get to the point of utter disgust. In the last thread that this one spins from I didn't see any keeping of the peace. I saw a lot of fuel being added to the fire by a lot of people. When that begins to happen there is no point to continue the thread... at least not until everyone goes home, takes a cold shower and regains some tact.

Eelecurb: No matter which way you would like to church it up you have been slinging insults and making presumptuous remarks towards other members here. I will quote some examples for you if you'd like. I have nothing against you personally but have noticed some disturbing forum behavior from you lately in a few posts. Some in which you entered solely for the purpose of continuing a feud with another member. I'm not a Mod obviously but I'm making some observations here. Don't take it personally, just realize that this is how myself and perhaps others are perceiving (some of)your posts.

Fonze: :argh14:Man you are one trigger happy poster aren't you. Seriously you might want to take a few deep breaths before you post out of anger. I see some of your points and I realize you feel like you are being cornered and singled out here. Going toe to toe with a moderator especially in this manner is not going to help your case one bit. Remember the attracting flies with honey line, or however it goes.

Muku: Keep your minions in line j/k:D:first:

A lot of these comments, posts, rebuttals etc seem more like emotional outbursts than well thought out critiques and responses. We should just have a thread for this kind of trash talking, no holds barred adn call it Royal Rumble:thumbup:

[ryukyuboi]

I am rather computer challenged. Is it possible to forward a received private message to others in this forum as a new private message to these others, perhaps copying and pasting the original private message, or directly forwarding the received private message?

[Muku]

First let me reiterate my self here because it seems that there seems to be confusion or misunderstanding here.....also dont read between the lines or ASSume anything here. The point of this thread is.........

The point has nothing to do with the function. The point is hearing how people here, other members, feel about sharing PM's on the open board, if the situation arose that they found it to be necessary.

Now then one of my replies had this in it.....

However this thread was born from the fact that TP directly censored one of the Fonzes posts here for it having information included from a PM.

Since there is no rule against it, as of this time, there is no justification for the action.
That is where the motivation for the thread came from.

Oh and I am not even going to be responding to posts made with the obvious intent of trying to start whatever here.......:rolleyes:


Black and white, plain and simple,

Doc Turtle thanks for your comments here:) You too Doug:barf: :D :D

[Muku]

Yes, there is no rule. And because of that, as a moderator I am telling you (or you may want to consider it asking) to not post PMs unless the sender has made it understood to you that it is ok to post it. Until a rule comes out to spell it out for those who do not understand the obvious, then consider this rule as the patch to not do so after I have told you (or anyone) not to:

Rule 14: If a moderator or administrator asks you to do something, do it. Moderators are here to help keep the forums civilized. If you have a serious problem with a moderator, contact the administrator (dk). "I don't like him" does not constitute a serious problem. Do not waste dk's time.

I am asking/telling to not do it.

I will only respond to this by saying that the highlighted section imo should be handled in a different thread and not this one as it is a different subject altogether.

One's definition of civilized is obviously different than anothers.:)

[DocTurtle]

I am rather computer challenged. Is it possible to forward a received private message to others in this forum as a new private message to these others, perhaps copying and pasting the original private message, or directly forwarding the received private message?

Yes, just check any of your private messages and you should see the option.

[Muku]

At the same time, the sender of the originial message should also realise what they are sending to someone could always end up in the publics hands so they should be mindful of what they send out. You wouldn't give your atm pin number to a stranger would you? So why PM stuff you don't want hung out to people you don't really know? Think about who you are messaging.

If you are in a heated arguement with someone about a certain subject and you PM him to rant at him/her, they are in no way entitled to keep it in the PM.

I agree with this logic as well. Not all issues are or should be kept private. Once the send button has been hit it is out of the senders hands and left purely up to the receipient in how it should or should not be dealt with.

I agree that the sender should also keep that in mind before sending the message, and if there is even the slightest concern that the information would be spread amongst others here then a comment should be made as well requesting that the privacy be maintained. Otherwise...........

People are commenting that if necessary messages should be forwarded to the admin or a mod....ok what's to prevent me or anyone for that matter from forwarding something that I wanted to any or all members here on this board? Think about that a second, it's pretty much the same thing. It is no longer private now is it?

There should be no need for a rule about it anyway. It is at my discrection on how I choose to handle it.

Too many people are assuming that I am looking for a loophole, that is not the case.

One other thing I have often made a point here to inform people that if they dont understand or are mistaken by anything I post to ask questions instead of making an assumption for any reason. However I am not going to reply to questions that I find inflamatory or assinine in content, that is also my choice as well.

You can create all the rules you want, ask people all they want not to do something however you can not stop the flow of information if a member so chooses to share it with others.

[DoctorP]

TP is not saying someones lack of personal ethics a insult? please be a bigger man and answer it? dont be Narrow minded.

You also dont like being called an elitest sophisticate. I think thats a compliment

I know have 8 infraction for writing jk.

Not trying to take this thread off topic, but I want to point out that if anyone here has a problem with one of the mods or the admin...tough! You are free to leave. Do not discuss the moderators in the threads...feel free to carry on your discussions in private (PM) that should not be copied/posted back in the forums due to the fact that they are indeed private!

[themadscientist]

I have no problem with anyone posting a PM I send them. If you don't want something you say repeated than don't say it. It's not a hard concept to understand.
Unless DK decides (I think he is the big boss here, if I am mistaken I'm sorry), if he decides that PMs may not be posted and alters the terms of membership then has all current members resubmit in agreement then it's law.
In the absence of that it's opinion -vs- opinion. Certain people seem very uncomfortable with the idea of their comments being relayed, that makes me wonder what's going on behind the scenes.
I assume there is an administrative forum where business can be discussed, like the forum I Mod on. Of course that traffic should be privileged. PMs on the other hand are fair game.

[Muku]

Unless DK decides (I think he is the big boss here, if I am mistaken I'm sorry), if he decides that PMs may not be posted and alters the terms of membership then has all current members resubmit in agreement then it's law.
In the absence of that it's opinion -vs- opinion. Certain people seem very uncomfortable with the idea of their comments being relayed, that makes me wonder what's going on behind the scenes.


I was also surprised at the response, particularly from Doc P and TP here.

Like I wrote in my previous post there really isnt anything they can do to stop the spread of any information if a member so chooses to forward any PM's along to anyone else. For that matter post it somewhere else on the 'net on their MySpace acocunt or a Weblog.

To me no matter what anyone says PM's are not truly PM's.

I assume there is an administrative forum where business can be discussed, like the forum I Mod on. Of course that traffic should be privileged. PMs on the other hand are fair game
There is I am sure, it has been discussed here on a number of occasions.

I have no problem with anyone posting a PM I send them. If you don't want something you say repeated than don't say it. It's not a hard concept to understand.

I happen to agree with you as well.:D

[themadscientist]

I happen to agree with you as well.:D
That PM about you, the duct tape and the goldfish, just between you and me, promise. :D

[Muku]

That PM about you, the duct tape and the goldfish, just between you and me, promise. :D

And I promise not to share the pictures of you wearing these.....:eek:
http://www.manchic.com/photos/uncategorized/vs200605.jpg

[themadscientist]

yeah, I am a piece of tail, no doubt!:D

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I was also surprised at the response, particularly from Doc P and TP here.

Like I wrote in my previous post there really isnt anything they can do...
Classic Muku. First eye-rolling, now not speaking to me. I always wondered what it would be like to be an elementary school girl:scared:

I'm gonna take you up on the 'ask me for clarification bit' - are you saying the moderators are powerless? Or that TP and DoctorP can't handle defining the word 'private' for those who have trouble with the concept? Or are you saying that you personally refuse to go along with what two moderators have politely but firmly asked the forum members to do?

A very curious statement, and one that needs clarification.

[Muku]

Classic Muku. First eye-rolling, now not speaking to me. I always wondered what it would be like to be an elementary school girl:scared:

I'm gonna take you up on the 'ask me for clarification bit' - are you saying the moderators are powerless? Or that TP and DoctorP can't handle defining the word 'private' for those who have trouble with the concept? Or are you saying that you personally refuse to go along with what two moderators have politely but firmly asked the forum members to do?

A very curious statement, and one that needs clarification.
Since you obviously missed what I wrote, and to save your sanity here:rolleyes: from going any farther off the deep end......:eek:

Reread post number 33 on this thread....your answer awaits you there.:first:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Very well. You may refuse to answer. You certainly seem to be saying you believe yourself to be above the admonishment and power of the two mods (in those cases where they disagree with your position). You only acknowledge their position when one or both rule in your favor, and vehemently appeal to the mercy of dk when the rulings go against you.

[Muku]

Very well. You may refuse to answer. You certainly seem to be saying you believe yourself to be above the admonishment and power of the two mods (in those cases where they disagree with your position). You only acknowledge their position when one or both rule in your favor, and vehemently appeal to the mercy of dk when the rulings go against you.
Did you even read the post I directed you to?



Oh and to add to all the rest of the membership here.......

Geez guys, oh and to you gal's as well, I've got my very own <3 stalker here. :w00t: Anybody else got one?:eek:

[TheNoNamedOne]

lol. I think you are my stalker, Muku, aren't you?

[Muku]

lol. I think you are my stalker, Muku, aren't you?

Naw I dont follow you all over the board now do I? eel seems to have that corner on the market.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Really? Every time I moderate you stalk me.

Or am I exagerating as much as you are on the point of stalking?

[Muku]

Really? Every time I moderate you stalk me.

Or am I exagerating as much as you are on the point of stalking?
No I only pounce when the moderating is unbalanced, excuse me your moderating is unbalanced.

Edited to add.....

You know TP one day you probably will turn out to be a fair and level headed moderator. Until then I'll just keep up with your training, along with the rest of the people here.

Hell who knows maybe one day you'll end up thanking me for teaching you what it takes.

[themadscientist]

I would like to complain about disproportionate stalking here! I haven't been creeped out at all today; I feel unstalked :crying:

[Muku]

I would like to complain about disproportionate stalking here! I haven't been creeped out at all today; I feel unstalked :crying:
You had your turn.......now's it's mine.

Or do you want him back on your tail?:w00t:
(Your words not mine btw:D)

yeah, I am a piece of tail, no doubt!

[DoctorP]

We could always rename PM's here to be Public Messages...but then perhaps Muku would still have problems understanding the meaning.

[themadscientist]

I prefer him in front of me where I can keep an eye on him.:D

[Muku]

We could always rename PM's here to be Public Messages...but then perhaps Muku would still have problems understanding the meaning.
I dont have a problem with them, however I think you are missing the points being made here.

No matter how much you attempt to "regulate" them there is NO WAY you can stop them from being either shared here or published anywhere.


The other thing is to get people to think about what they are writing anyway.

Everything is open, whether people want to accept that or not is another thing. There really is no "true" privacy on the internet. Least wise not here.

[themadscientist]

We could always rename PM's here to be Public Messages...but then perhaps Muku would still have problems understanding the meaning. Well the meaning of "private" is ambiguous in that there is no written rule against it's being shared. I would suggest that other people's interpretation, mine, and it seems Muku's is that the "private" part simply means that the correspondence is only trafficked directly between specific people rather than on the open board. Without such a function members would be unable to BS amongst themselves without starting a thread. You see "private" as taking on greater meaning in that it is now some super secret thing that must never be repeated. Your interpretation is not currently supported by the user agreement so it really is opinion at this point.

[DoctorP]

I dont have a problem with them, however I think you are missing the points being made here.

No matter how much you attempt to "regulate" them there is NO WAY you can stop them from being either shared here or published anywhere.


The other thing is to get people to think about what they are writing anyway.

Everything is open, whether people want to accept that or not is another thing. There really is no "true" privacy on the internet. Least wise not here.

You asked a question and got an answer. Should they be posted...No. Now you point out that no one could stop it from happening, and you are correct. 1 point to you...happy now? If it were really that important, I would get more involved, but seems like you are back in high school mode tonight.

[Muku]

You asked a question and got an answer. Should they be posted...No. Now you point out that no one could stop it from happening, and you are correct. 1 point to you...happy now? If it were really that important, I would get more involved, but seems like you are back in high school mode tonight.
You are the one that replied with the added sarcasm may I remind you, so if the shoe fits........:rolleyes:

Edited to add here.....

Should they be posted...No.
Currently and depending totally on the situation I would agree with you here, however it is up to the discretion of the member receiving the PM at the time.

[Muku]

Well the meaning of "private" is ambiguous in that there is no written rule against it's being shared. I would suggest that other people's interpretation, mine, and it seems Muku's is that the "private" part simply means that the correspondence is only trafficked directly between specific people rather than on the open board. Without such a function members would be unable to BS amongst themselves without starting a thread. You see "private" as taking on greater meaning in that it is now some super secret thing that must never be repeated. Your interpretation is not currently supported by the user agreement so it really is opinion at this point.

Now well just have to wait and see whether or not it gets changed.

And if and when it is, like you pointed out earlier, and each current member is given the opportunity to make their choice on whether or not to accept it remains to be seen.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Currently and depending totally on the situation I would agree with you here, however it is up to the discretion of the member receiving the PM at the time.

No, it is not. It is not at the discretion of members to post PMs from others. I wouldn't suggest you encourage or spread misinformation to others that it is at their discretion.

Ability does not mean it is going to be permitted. It is at the discretion of others to post foul language because they have the ability to do so, but it will not be permitted and will be infracted. That ability to do so on their part will only remain for as long as they are a member before being banned.

[dk]

You're not going to have to re-check that check-box. I'll tell you that much now. Rules change. If people begin to find the rules intolerable, they can complain until they are changed, or they can leave.

I am reluctant to make new rules. I do not like taking away freedoms.

In this case, it is OBVIOUS that there is no stopping someone from taking a PM from these forums and posting them on MySpace. That should be obvious. All we are looking to do is set a guideline that we will follow through on. As a rule of thumb, do not post the text of a PM on these forums or it will be erased. If this is too much to handle, the violator can move along.

[Muku]

Ability does not mean it is going to be permitted. It is at the discretion of others to post foul language because they have the ability to do so, but it will not be permitted and will be infracted. That ability to do so on their part will only remain for as long as they are a member before being banned
Poor analogy here as the use of foul langauge is restricted by the rules here.


I will skip commenting on the first paragraph, you should know better.

[TheNoNamedOne]

As much as you would like to dismiss rule 14 which has already been pointed out to you, it is not dismissable and has been applied to this issue of PMs.

Deal with it.

[DoctorP]

You are the one that replied with the added sarcasm may I remind you, so if the shoe fits........:rolleyes:

Edited to add here.....


Currently and depending totally on the situation I would agree with you here, however it is up to the discretion of the member receiving the PM at the time.

It wasn't sarcasm, it was an observation.:-|

[Muku]

You're not going to have to re-check that check-box. I'll tell you that much now. Rules change. If people begin to find the rules intolerable, they can complain until they are changed, or they can leave.

I am reluctant to make new rules. I do not like taking away freedoms.

In this case, it is OBVIOUS that there is no stopping someone from taking a PM from these forums and posting them on MySpace. That should be obvious. All we are looking to do is set a guideline that we will follow through on. As a rule of thumb, do not post the text of a PM on these forums or it will be erased. If this is too much to handle, the violator can move along.

Purely for arguments sake only here and this is directed to you dk......

I am sure you are also aware that the receipient of any PM, at their discretion as well, are able to forward them to any one else as well. In a manner of speaking it is the same thing as posting it to the board as well. It has stayed within the confines of this forum but it is no longer private.

I know you have the capability to see who is PMing whom, however I also know that there is no way for you to see the contents of the PM's.

I also an fully aware that the overwhelming majority of the membership including myself will adhere to the "privacy" of the PM, please do not misunderstand me here.

So I would recommend speaking from experience here, to make it clear to include some comment within the rules about this issue.

[Muku]

It wasn't sarcasm, it was an observation.:-|
Then so is mine....just an observation:-|

[Muku]

As much as you would like to dismiss rule 14 which has already been pointed out to you, it is not dismissable and has been applied to this issue of PMs.

Deal with it.
So now what are you going to do? Ban me too:eek: :eek:

[DoctorP]

So now what are you going to do? Ban me too:eek: :eek:

Are you asking to be banned? It could be done!

[Muku]

Are you asking to be banned? It could be done!
If you thought I was "asking" you would have done it already.

Edited to add here.....

If and when the day comes that I decide to quit posting here I am not going to "request" anyone to ban me, I will walk away on my own terms.

[DoctorP]

Then don't bring it up...as a joke or otherwise. The only people who have been banned, brought it on themselves.

[dk]

I am sure you are also aware that the receipient of any PM, at their discretion as well, are able to forward them to any one else as well. In a manner of speaking it is the same thing as posting it to the board as well. It has stayed within the confines of this forum but it is no longer private.
It is private. The whole forum cannot see it. I can agree that it has been made more public than the author initially hoped, but it is still more-or-less private. The only person on this forum with the capabilities to make a mass spam PM'bomb is myself. The rest of you can do it as well to a degree, but there are limitations in place that would make it a huge pain in the neck.

I know you have the capability to see who is PMing whom, however I also know that there is no way for you to see the contents of the PM's.
I have the capabilities to see everything. I have direct access to the database. Which is why it is necessary to know that you are hiring an ethical person before giving him/her access to your database. None of this text is being stored encrypted. Everything is wide open to anyone with direct access to the database, which happens to be only me. However, I value privacy and will not even glance at another's PMs without having a very good reason.

I also an fully aware that the overwhelming majority of the membership including myself will adhere to the "privacy" of the PM, please do not misunderstand me here.
I don't. I understand.

So I would recommend speaking from experience here, to make it clear to include some comment within the rules about this issue.
We may. I think that's fair enough. :)

[ja_Patriot]

It's been fun. Time to move along, everyone.

Talking about bans. Bad news for Jon Jon's. The doc's banned me from alcohol and tobacco for the next few months. I'll see how it goes and post on the topic thread.

[themadscientist]

Well I can't agree with that so as has been suggested I will move on.

[TheNoNamedOne]

This thread is closed.

Edit to add: The rules regarding PMs have been updated. One may view them in the announcement within the Meet and Greet category.