Signature situations

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

A question to the other forum members:

Where do we draw the line with signatures? If I use, for example, "member-x is a lump of sh*t", have I gone too far? I suspect most would say 'yes'. I'd rather not see that type of sig myself.

If I quote something ridiculous someone else has written, is that too much? I think most people would have less of a problem with that. Me too.

What about the middle ground? Can taunts at other members be made? Say we disagreed on some issue, argued it out in some topic, and I didn't like the answer they gave. Is it alright to link that argument to my sig, and claim I didn't get an answer - is making a false statement against another forum member ok? Just because I lost an argument, or didn't like the way my opponent aswered my question, it's alright to knowingly lie in my signature? Is petty revenge justifiable this way?

[Fonze]

Your thread sounds like a fancy restaurant or a hotel.

[P_chan]

Can taunts at other members be made?

Well, if this were considered going too far, then we already have one guilty person:D

[Muku]

A question to the other forum members:

Where do we draw the line with signatures? If I use, for example, "member-x is a lump of sh*t", have I gone too far? I suspect most would say 'yes'. I'd rather not see that type of sig myself.

If I quote something ridiculous someone else has written, is that too much? I think most people would have less of a problem with that. Me too.

What about the middle ground? Can taunts at other members be made? Say we disagreed on some issue, argued it out in some topic, and I didn't like the answer they gave. Is it alright to link that argument to my sig, and claim I didn't get an answer - is making a false statement against another forum member ok? Just because I lost an argument, or didn't like the way my opponent aswered my question, it's alright to knowingly lie in my signature? Is petty revenge justifiable this way?

Well it's better to see this here than you stalking the madscientist all over the forums here. :rolleyes::rolleyes: calling out Mommy the madscientist wont change his signature.:rolleyes:

First off this is a thread that you started because you dont like tms's signature right?

Take your own advice, move on.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Hi Muku, thanks for you attempts at moderation. Good luck with that!

[P_chan]

http://doogs.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/whambulance.jpg

[Muku]

Hi Muku, thanks for you attempts at moderation. Good luck with that!
LMFAO here.......
What a joke, your post here sounds more like a joke than a forum problem.
Hell I would suggest that a moderator or admin here move this to the jokes and humour section of the forum. :rolleyes:

Past personal differences aside here, the "team" running things here have been doing a pretty darn good job of late. :thumbup1:

Also if you think what TheMadSciencetist has for a signature is "taunting" you then you should take a good look at a bunch of other signatures around here and tell me who else is "guilty" of taunting other members.:rolleyes:

If it is such a big deal to you then why do you keep on posting on this forum? Are you a glutton for punishment?

Oh and if you think this is an attempt at moderation.................:rolleyes:

[DoctorP]

Hi Muku, thanks for you attempts at moderation. Good luck with that!

The signature issue was already discussed once amongst the team. Initially there was an agreement that there was no problem, as he was merely searching for a reply to his question. Now that you have answered his question, why not drop it and allow him time to change his signature? Everyone is not online all day long everyday, so allow for a day or two for the change to happen.

I am not going to change his signature for him, unless he obviously leaves it there on purpose.

You are complaining that he is bringing the argument into different threads, but you too are doing the same thing. Grow up and calm down. Things will work themselves out.

[Muku]

The signature issue was already discussed once amongst the team. Initially there was an agreement that there was no problem, as he was merely searching for a reply to his question. Now that you have answered his question, why not drop it and allow him time to change his signature? Everyone is not online all day long everyday, so allow for a day or two for the change to happen.

I am not going to change his signature for him, unless he obviously leaves it there on purpose.

You are complaining that he is bringing the argument into different threads, but you too are doing the same thing. Grow up and calm down. Things will work themselves out.
Doc I would like to ask what purpose you would find in changing someone's signature, for example TheMadScientists, if he chooses to leave it as such?

Whether or not the question was answered or not, what harm is there?

If an innocuous signature like his "needs" to be changed for what ever reason then I would ask why are not other signatures that "taunt" members here forced to be changed as well?

So if anyone runs around the forum making complaints like eel did are you going to change it?

[DoctorP]

The only reason that I would change it would be if the question had indeed been answered. Then there would be no reason for it to remain, in it's current state. Now if the question had not been already answered/addressed, then I would have no problem with it staying.

The only other reason would be if it were to begin disruption of other threads, by other members.

[Muku]

The only reason that I would change it would be if the question had indeed been answered. Then there would be no reason for it to remain, in it's current state. Now if the question had not been already answered/addressed, then I would have no problem with it staying.

The only other reason would be if it were to begin disruption of other threads, by other members.
Ok so if I read you right here "taunting" doesnt matter right?

[DoctorP]

I guess it would depend upon the situation now wouldn't it?

[socalheart]

I've also had an instance where eelcurb didn't respond to a direct question. After a few days and 20-odd posts of no response later, I just let it go and stopped giving that poster's opinions any credibility. :shrug: The poster isn't necessarily rude, just sometimes evasive. (Reference: posts #55-57 (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1352&page=6))

[Fonze]

What about TP's Sig or yours docp about TP that would be considered taunting wouldn't it?

[DoctorP]

What about TP's Sig or yours docp about TP that would be considered taunting wouldn't it?

That has been discussed, and that is one reason why I said it would depend upon the situation!

[themadscientist]

I didn't realize this was being discussed. I have pulled the signature. I think it was inflammatory, it was meant to be. I apologize that Eel felt ******* with other people's threads was necessary, I will accept the blame for that. He is very predictable and I should have expected that sort of response.

I need only one thing to let this go Eel, you know what that is. You have done everything but answer a very simple question that I posed to you several times which you chose to evade by trying to change the subject and suggest that I am a liar.
I can only draw one conclusion when someone evades directly answering a question, they are afraid to answer it. The stupid part of the whole thing is, the comment was made before I posted details of the situation and you could not be faulted for drawing the conclusion you did in the absence of those details; I would have summized the same thing.
Now what I do take issue with is rather than just say "oh, wow, ok" you chose to call me a liar and then try to redirect the discussion. I notice in your signature you say "boards don't hit back". That is good because if we had been all sitting at a table chatting and you said that you would have been popped in the mouth.
You don't know me guy, you don't pay my bills and take care of my business and you don't rate to comment on my charachter.

If you want the issue to rest simply answer the question, the same one I have asked you several times. It is a question I arrive at based upon your comments. here

You say you made an educated guess. I assume you were referring to this.
A pattern of poor driving is more likely than being the victim of the same type of accident 4 times

Then you said this
That was enough evidence to make an educated guess. Turns out it was right.

So how was your guess right?

So we come back to the crux of it. The source of all this, the question you seem terrified to answer.
Explain to me how speeding in one accident is contributory to the other three where I was stationary and in one case not even in the car.

Want to take a stab it, finally?:rolleyes:

[Muku]

That has been discussed, and that is one reason why I said it would depend upon the situation!

Sure....the situation is that you guys are moderators and the rest of us dont count right?:rolleyes: So once again it brings it back to a previous question here; If anyone starts complaining about another members signature for what ever reason then you "guys" here would consider changing it right?

That should be read tongue in cheek for the most part, however if what tms had in his signature was that offensive, which btw I would think that there is no one here besides eel would even remotely think it was so, then others should be subject to the same guidelines.

What happened with THe Mad Scientists signature is up to him to decide because there is nothing in the forum rules that we all religiously follow:-| to the letter of the "law" that was wrong.:rolleyes: In effect what has happened is a form of forced censorship.

That is my opinion of course, and personally what anyone writes in their signature is not going to be the cause of any heartache to me at least.

Also one can always use the same tactics in response as well, as I and others have done as well.

[Muku]

I've also had an instance where eelcurb didn't respond to a direct question. After a few days and 20-odd posts of no response later, I just let it go and stopped giving that poster's opinions any credibility. :shrug: The poster isn't necessarily rude, just sometimes evasive. (Reference: posts #55-57 (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1352&page=6))


Ok here is a great example too, if I were to use, I wont but for the discussion sake only here ok, this post as my signature is this going to be the cause of the admin or moderators forcing me to change it?

So we come back to the crux of it. The source of all this, the question you seem terrified to answer.
Explain to me how speeding in one accident is contributory to the other three where I was stationary and in one case not even in the car.

Actually this is even a better example, how about this as a signature?:rolleyes:

TMS sorry but I dont think that you needed to change it no matter the cause. There are plenty of other inflamatory signatures out here now that yours was mild in comparison.

Edited to add;
Doc take a look at my signature now please.....is that so offensive that it needs to be removed? :D

[themadscientist]

I do not wish to get into the greater discussion of signatures but I did want to let everyone know I was not forced to pull my signature.
I did so because the havoc it caused by way of Eels little cross-forum tantrum was not a good thing. It was meant to ellicit a response from one member, it did. He chose to piss in everyone else's cheerios because of it though. I don't want our discourse to ruin everyone else's fun so I did what I could to de-escalated my part of the equasion.
I have lost none of my righteous indignation at the baseless attacks on my charachter by a person who would call me a liar and then falsify quotes supposedly from me. I do however wish to contain it to the thread in question out of respect for the rest of the members.

[Muku]

I do not wish to get into the greater discussion of signatures but I did want to let everyone know I was not forced to pull my signature.

Fair enough, however did you notice Doc P's response on post #8 here on this thread? If you had just left it there the assumption can easily be made that either he or someone else would have done it for you, whether you wanted to change it on your own or not.

That is the point I am trying to get clarified here. It seems to me anyway that what you had in your signature is trivial in comparison to others here that are "taunting"....(word of the day here huh:rolleyes:!):D

What guidelines are there in the forum rules stating that people can't have outdated or for that matter meaningless signatures, isnt that up to the individual here?


I did so because the havoc it caused by way of Eels little cross-forum tantrum was not a good thing. It was meant to ellicit a response from one member, it did. He chose to piss in everyone else's cheerios because of it though. I don't want our discourse to ruin everyone else's fun so I did what I could to de-escalated my part of the equasion.
I have lost none of my righteous indignation at the baseless attacks on my charachter by a person who would call me a liar and then falsify quotes supposedly from me. I do however wish to contain it to the thread in question out of respect for the rest of the members.
This is a different subject I realize and one that will have to be played out on the forum and see what happens.

Overall thanks for the clarification on your part.

[socalheart]

Heh. I didn't even notice your signature madscientist, until eelcurb brought it to everyone's attention in numerous threads with irrelevant posts. :shrug: I'm super hormonal right now and super sensitive about stuff, and I don't pay that person much mind, or anyone like that person. I understand the principle of it, but my life is better for ignoring such people. :D

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Socalheart, I looked at your link to the question you believe was left unanswered. You didn't see the oxymoron in the combination of slavery, humanely, and ethics? Even if I didn't respond directly to that question, I think it gets answered in the remaining portion of the topic. If you like, we can revisit it when we are both free.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

That is good because if we had been all sitting at a table chatting and you said that you would have been popped in the mouth.
It's becoming clearer now. When things don't go your way, you prefer resorting to threats and violence. Pssst, I think your character is showing.

[themadscientist]

It's becoming clearer now. When things don't go your way, you prefer resorting to threats and violence. Pssst, I think your character is showing.

Things go how they go. I am right, you are wrong, I am just curious how much it will take before you realize that. You behavior suggests you immediately knew so you began evading. I am not threatening you, that moment past, I am not mad at you now that I see what you are, just sad for you.

[socalheart]

If you like, we can revisit it when we are both free.
At this point, it's up to you whether you want to cite where in that post that you thought I had created an oxymoron. I haven't seen it myself. You're welcome to post back to that thread or in a PM.

I didn't mean to clutter this thread with it. I was merely using it as a personal example. I didn't imply that you were wrong, simply wanted to know where you saw the oxymoron. I may not reply to your findings with an arguement, but it won't mean I agree with you either. I like to know where or why is all. Of course, you aren't obligated to respond either.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

It's really no problem Socalheart. I simply don't believe the practice of slavery is moral. It is by definition inhumane and unethical, and that's what makes your statement an oxymoron.

Others have missed or ignored questions of mine as well. Muku leaps immediately to mind. I asked him several times if he had been in 4H in one of the animal ethics topics, based on an anecdote he told. He has yet to respond. This is forum life.

[Muku]

Others have missed or ignored questions of mine as well. Muku leaps immediately to mind. I asked him several times if he had been in 4H in one of the animal ethics topics, based on an anecdote he told. He has yet to respond. This is forum life.


Are Pets Slaves?: meeting the ruducto argument (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1382)

I have a question for Uchinamuku. Did you guys have 4H when you were a kid? It was really popular in my area. I remember a lot of kids raised calves and put a lot of effort into winning prizes for the best calf in show at a fair or agriculture convention. Thing was, after that the calf was bought by some company to be fattened and killed for meat. It was quite tramatizing for many of the kids at my school when this happened. The story you wrote about your own calf reminded me of that. I wasn't in 4H myself, but had a lot of classmates who were. I wondered if you had any 4H experience and if so, what was it like? Was it good for teaching the life lessons they claim it does?



Here is the post you refered to and there is one other one as well.

Guess what keep on waiting and while you are waiting grow up some more too ok.

In the overall point of the thread it makes no difference, and for that matter neither does my reply. Keep on waiting.:rolleyes:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

:rolleyes:
No problem Muku. No-one expects you to address any issues.

I love the way you roll your eyes in so many posts. You have the prepubescent girl thing down pat. Lends a lot of gravity to your writing.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I love the way you roll your eyes in so many posts. You have the prepubescent girl thing down pat. Lends a lot of gravity to your writing.

lol. Yeah, I was kinda thinking the same thing.

[Muku]

No problem Muku. No-one expects you to address any issues.

I love the way you roll your eyes in so many posts. You have the prepubescent girl thing down pat. Lends a lot of gravity to your writing.

Since you obviously have trouble reading between the lines, I want to make sure that you dont misunderstand the thick sarcasm that was intended within the post.

Wouldnt want you to go off the handle again and go misquoting anything or taking anything out of context. :rolleyes:

Also since you wrote this here I will however from now on make it a point to explain in detail when I post any more replies to you, as if I was talking to my 8 year old son.

Wait one....my 8 year old "get's" it faster than you do, and it would be insulting to him as well. I guess I will lower it either further for you, if you misunderstand anything feel free to ask any questions you have, however I will reserve the right to reply or not.


lol. Yeah, I was kinda thinking the same thing.
What's this now, do I hear something or someone talking here.....nope must be my imagination.

[TheNoNamedOne]

What's this now, do I hear something or someone talking here.....nope must be my imagination.

But it's true. You DO have that prepubescent girl rolly-eye thing down pat.

It's ok if you also do the kid thing of sticking your fingers in your ears and pretend to not hear me... or talk about your imagination.

[Fonze]

I hope eelecurb isn't one of those nova teachers and his attitude is due to not having been getting paid. Could it be he has no food and is becoming dillusional. Hey eel i'm sure if you need food some in this forum might donate to you. We wouldn't want you to starve.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I hope eelecurb isn't one of those nova teachers and his attitude is due to not having been getting paid. Could it be he has no food and is becoming dillusional. Hey eel i'm sure if you need food some in this forum might donate to you. We wouldn't want you to starve.
I can confirm that I am not, nor have I ever been, a NOVA teacher.

[TheNoNamedOne]

If Eel needs food, he can have a nice vegetarian dinner with me at my home. My wife makes great veggie dinners.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I ate only vegetarian meals at a mediation retreat several years ago. We had a vegetarian breakfast and lunch for 10 days. No drinking (as in booze) or smoking for 10 days. The cooks were fantastic, and I'd do it again without hesitation. Also, all the great Taiwanese vegetarian restaurants on Okinawa make it easy and fun to enjoy healthy food.

[Fonze]

If Eel needs food, he can have a nice vegetarian dinner with me at my home. My wife makes great veggie dinners.

Must be lonely for friends TP. JK.

[DougP]

Now I can start to see why raising teenagers might be the leading cause of hair loss:D At least that's what my dad would always say:) Seriously though what's the point to this thread? What would be the adult thing to do here?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

What would be the adult thing to do here?
Depends who you ask. TMS recons ya oughta pop 'em in the face, and Muku encourages us to do as he says, not as he does, 'cause he knows best. I figure I'll be the target of Muku's minions for a spell now.:army:

[Fonze]

The question is, What would Jesus do?:)

[Fonze]

. I figure I'll be the target of Muku's minions for a spell now.:army:

If you wanna call me a minion you an go f yourself, seriously.
I agree with him cause i see you as being wrong, not because of being a minion. You only seem to be pushing shit when you should let it die down.

I'm sure your girlfriend will come and edit my post for his bitch.

thats something Jesus wouldn't do.

[Muku]

Depends who you ask. TMS recons ya oughta pop 'em in the face, and Muku encourages us to do as he says, not as he does, 'cause he knows best. I figure I'll be the target of Muku's minions for a spell now.:army:
Damn straight sunny boy and dont you forget it :army:

[Muku]

Seriously though what's the point to this thread? What would be the adult thing to do here?
To the first part do you want the "real" answer or the bs one?
Edited to add here.......
The answer is the same.

Oh and to the second part.......

You mean there are "adults"...gasp gasp gasp...posting here:w00t:
Damn I am going to have to run and hide before Mommy comes and finds me out.

Darn you Doug did you have to go and spoil my fun, party pooper!:cursing: :D

[DougP]

Eh I love drama just as much as the next poster I guess. Just wasn't sure what Bruce was driving at with this thread. I mean another poster has something about you in their signature. So what? If it were me claiming to be the mature adult calling the other guy a child with caveman like tendencies I would simply ignore them. Since I'm the kind of guy that doesn't mind confrontation then yeah I'd be more than willing to indulge in this type of behavior. I don't find punching someone in the face anymore childish than posting my personal gripes about another poster in multiple threads. Especially threads where such gripes have no business being in. Why not take the E-thugging to PM.

[dk]

Can I put "DougP covers his mouth when he giggles" as my new sig? :D

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15846&postcount=10

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Damn straight sunny boy and dont you forget it :army:
Hello Cap! What ho! Well played, old bean!:thumbup1: Pip pip, cherio, you malingering ol' git:old:

[TheNoNamedOne]

Can I put "DougP covers his mouth when he giggles" as my new sig? :D

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15846&postcount=10

Only after he confirms that he actually does that. hehe.

[ja_Patriot]

Here's a free tip:

"Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue."

And that's for everyone including myself. (Wink!)

:76:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

If you wanna call me a minion you an go f yourself, seriously.
I agree with him cause i see you as being wrong, not because of being a minion. You only seem to be pushing shit when you should let it die down.

I'm sure your girlfriend will come and edit my post for his bitch.

thats something Jesus wouldn't do.
Wow:ohmy: Ever consider anger management? It worked for Adam Sandler.


Handling Anger Assertively By Lloyd J. Thomas, Ph.D.


The emotion we call "anger" is a natural response to frustration, pain, loss or neediness. It may also occur out of "old habit" or imitation of an angry parent. Anger is what we label the biochemical/physiological response we experience when our wants and needs are not met, when we are blocked from pursuing our goals, when we are hurting either physically or emotionally, or when we have experienced a loss of some kind. Anger is a natural emotion and a powerful energizer. Many, many people have problems expressing their anger. You may have been given lots of messages as a child that you were supposed to be nice, kind, and sweet all the time. Or perhaps any anger expression was not tolerated and punished in some way. Messages like, “Don't you talk back to me!” accompanied by a swat, is not only telling the child his or her angry feelings are "bad", it is punitive of the child's attempt to express the anger. It is also very confusing, because the child is being shown how the parent handles anger and at the same time told not to handle his or her anger in the same manner. So the child often learns to bottle up his or her anger in an effort to be a "good child" and avoid punishment.
Bottling up your anger, allowing it to build until you explode, or becoming your own angry critic of yourself and others, are not the most beneficial methods for handling anger. Learning how to be self-supportive and assertive with your anger are the most healthful ways to deal with your naturally-occurring emotion.
It is unnatural for everyone to remain smooth, calm, and unaffected by the frustrations, hurts and losses experienced in life. But expressing anger in a rage or "dumping" your anger on yourself or others is highly destructive to your psychological well-being.
Instead of venting your angry feelings in thermonuclear outbursts, or blocking them, thereby creating enormous internal stress, you can learn to turn your anger into a motivational tool which will give you the charge of energy you can use to take control of your own life, pursue your wants and goals more vigorously, and clarify where you stand in relation to others in your life. Using your anger for powerful assertiveness is the natural purpose for having it in the first place. Here are six suggestions for handling your anger assertively.
1. Allow yourself to acknowledge your feelings of anger. Take a deep breath and listen to yourself for a minute. Become aware of the bodily sensations your anger creates. Ask yourself, “Do I feel angry enough to let others know what I am feeling?” or “How can I use my angry energy to address the problem to which I responded with anger?” Then decide either to let the problem go...along with your anger, or use the energy to address the precipitating issue.
2. Pick an appropriate discussion time. If possible, arrange with another a suitable time to raise the issue to which you responded with anger. A sudden outburst of anger may just put others on the defensive and may be even more frustrating for you.
3. Avoid blaming, judging, and accusing others. Your blaming offensive will only breed a defensive counter attack. It also makes you feel more helpless, because blaming becomes an obstacle to problem-solving. After you cool down, the problem remains with perhaps the addition of guilt or anxiety over your own outburst.
4. Always express your anger using "I" statements about how you are feeling. Say “I am feeling really frustrated and angry right now” rather than “You and your stupidity make me feel sick (tired, angry, ticked off, or any other adjective describing your anger).”
5. Say what it is you are wanting or needing which would address the problem or your anger. Make your needs clear and very specific.
Don't ask the other person to change his or her feelings. They have a right to their feelings just as much as you have to yours. Ask directly and specifically for something that will help you feel satisfied or less angry.
6. Listen to the other's response. Allow the person you're talking to enough time to hear and respond to what you've said. Look at them when they talk. Don't interrupt or rehearse your reply while they are talking. Slow down, and take in what they are saying. Then choose how you want to respond to them. Before you respond, acknowledge that you heard what they said, even though you may not agree with what they said.
The practice of using your anger to assert yourself can result in a much more fulfilled way of functioning. It can even bring others closer to you through caring and respect. Learn to use your anger for self-support and you regain control of your feelings and your life.
http://home.acceleration.net/clark/COOL938/Email.Essays/Handling.Anger.html

[ryukyuboi]

Is this the thread where cyber attacking individuals is the purpose?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Is this the thread where cyber attacking individuals is the purpose?
You've just described the Internet.

[P_chan]

But it's true. You DO have that prepubescent girl rolly-eye thing down pat. And you have a penchant for insulting people and getting away with it. Yet no one calls you out on that. I've noticed that if you use sarcasm in this forum you have to lay it on real thick, or lace it with a bunch of smilies, otherwise people take things the wrong way.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

And you have a penchant for insulting people and getting away with it. Yet no one calls you out on that. I've noticed that if you use sarcasm in this forum you have to lay it on real thick, or lace it with a bunch of smilies, otherwise people take things the wrong way.
Come now P-chan. That description fits a lot of people. We're all somewhat guilty (those of us in the thick of things). The tone has been set for some time now, and it's fairly clear what you can & can't do. I've noticed some inconsistency, but overall it's not hard to follow.

[P_chan]

Come now P-chan. That description fits a lot of people. We're all somewhat guilty (those of us in the thick of things). The tone has been set for some time now, and it's fairly clear what you can & can't do. I've noticed some inconsistency, but overall it's not hard to follow.

Yeah, but those other members aren't moderators either.

[DougP]

Can I put "DougP covers his mouth when he giggles" as my new sig? :D

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15846&postcount=10

Go for it:thumbup: I've seen worse :D

[themadscientist]

I stand by violence as an acceptable course of action in certain cases. The internet has insulated people from consequences for their actions. Saying many of the things that fly back and back and forth on forums in person would result in a sound ass-whoopin. That was the filter in the past that kept people from saying hurtful things and unsubstantiated accusations and I miss that. Anybody with a computer plugged into the internet can say or do pretty much anything they want with very little fear of consequences. That breeds bad behavior.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I stand by violence as an acceptable course of action in certain cases. The internet has insulated people from consequences for their actions. Saying many of the things that fly back and back and forth on forums in person would result in a sound ass-whoopin. That was the filter in the past that kept people from saying hurtful things and unsubstantiated accusations and I miss that. Anybody with a computer plugged into the internet can say or do pretty much anything they want with very little fear of consequences. That breeds bad behavior.
Like swaggering behind a keyboard.

[themadscientist]

It's hard to pull off a swagger without the pirate hat. :D

[Fonze]

Hey eel I'm not you and going to use words your girlfriend doesn't find insulting, especially when they are directed towards those he also dislikes.
If i think someone should go F themselves i will. So it seems you like to swagger behind the keyboard like some bitch made man with an avatar like yours, go do what he did and die. I told you were you could find me and thats that.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Fonze, cease the insults.

[Fonze]

Hey eel i didn't mean for you to literally die just die of the forums cause your last post have been bitching and clogging up shit.

TP just cause you agree with the dude be a little better at telling people to stop, with the insults. I guess if i call people minions and ilk that would be okay with you but i'm not gonna if you wnt to act like a bitch ill call u one if you want to act stupid ill tell you to f off. be a better moderator TP , not just one for ur ilk or minions:thumbdown:

Okay so i was given 3 points for 3 post. I can ecept one but they other 2 make no sense. I guess if it was from a fair mod i coud except them. This one i was not talking about anyone in general just people who I see act like that i will call them.

Once again tp act like a mod across the board.

You repond to my comments but when eel said stuff to P Chan or Muku you said nothing in that thread.

DK more proof of an unfair mod. oh no did i just insult TP.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Enjoy the points, Fonze.

[Fonze]

Okay so i was given 3 points for 3 post. I can ecept one but they other 2 make no sense. I guess if it was from a fair mod i coud except them. This one i was not talking about anyone in general just people who I see act like that i will call them.

Once again tp act like a mod across the board.

You repond to my comments but when eel said stuff to P Chan or Muku you said nothing in that thread.

DK more proof of an unfair mod. oh no did i just insult TP.

[Fonze]

So i have pm you questions of were i insulted someone TP why no answer huh? I never called him bitch made i said if someone acts the way i will call them that. Lets see if your man enough to remove those points and be fair, i doubt it.

[Muku]

Fonze, cease the insults.

History not withstanding here.....and for future reference, could you please specifically point out where the insult came in this post that warranted the issuing of warning points against The Fonze?:)

Hey eel I'm not you and going to use words your girlfriend doesn't find insulting, especially when they are directed towards those he also dislikes.
If i think someone should go F themselves i will. So it seems you like to swagger behind the keyboard like some bitch made man with an avatar like yours, go do what he did and die. I told you were you could find me and thats that.


Or if it was from within this post? Could you please specifically point out what was offensive that called for a warning and issuing of infraction points please?

Thank you:)

Hey eel i didn't mean for you to literally die just die of the forums cause your last post have been bitching and clogging up shit.

TP just cause you agree with the dude be a little better at telling people to stop, with the insults. I guess if i call people minions and ilk that would be okay with you but i'm not gonna if you wnt to act like a bitch ill call u one if you want to act stupid ill tell you to f off. be a better moderator TP , not just one for ur ilk or minions

Okay so i was given 3 points for 3 post. I can ecept one but they other 2 make no sense. I guess if it was from a fair mod i coud except them. This one i was not talking about anyone in general just people who I see act like that i will call them.

Once again tp act like a mod across the board.

You repond to my comments but when eel said stuff to P Chan or Muku you said nothing in that thread.

DK more proof of an unfair mod. oh no did i just insult TP.

[Fonze]

so the female dog of the forum mods just gave me another infraction for this. For the PM i sent him. where the infraction or are you just trying to get me booted , be A better mod tp not some sensetive ass.

This one deserves one though sandy vagina.

Can you now be a man and anwer why you only write for me to cease but not eel?

I hope dk can see your complete bias for some and not others.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Eelcurb has not stepped over the line in this exchange. And you need to watch how you reply to moderators.

[Fonze]

This is a moderated post by TheProsecutor
Message by TheFonze deleted by TheProsecutor: PMs are PMs whether they come as moderation or personal messages. If you want to forward a PM to another mod or admin then feel free to do so. Otherwise they remain as PMs.

[Fonze]

Eelcurb has not stepped over the line in this exchange. And you need to watch how you reply to moderators.

I was talking about when he replied to muku and pchan and how nor you or any other mod said anything. A little unfair dont you think?

[Fonze]

So fast to give infractions but not fast enough to give an explanation tp.


Why when eel insulted a whole group of people you were no were to be found? come on your smart enough to answer it as fast as you give infractions.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Eelecurb's problem was handled by DoctorP and Eelecurb accepted his infraction.

[Fonze]

Hey eel i didn't mean for you to literally die just die of the forums cause your last post have been bitching and clogging up shit.

TP just cause you agree with the dude be a little better at telling people to stop, with the insults. I guess if i call people minions and ilk that would be okay with you but i'm not gonna if you wnt to act like a bitch ill call u one if you want to act stupid ill tell you to f off. be a better moderator TP , not just one for ur ilk or minions:thumbdown:

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You need to watch how you reply to moderators. This was TP's answer to the underlined part. TP you took it way out of context cause as you can see this was not talking about you. also you tried to only underline from if you want to act like a bitch, very sneaky TP. don't you notice the period after f off and how be a better mod tp continues not just were u underlined it.

Why would you not want people to see how even more unfair you are in the PM's

Still waiting on answer you have about not jumping on eel just me.

[Fonze]

Eelecurb's problem was handled by DoctorP and Eelecurb accepted his infraction.

And why not you if you responded right after him huh TP? why not you if you were online right as it was happening huh TP?

dk this should show you how unfair and unfit he is to be a fair mod.

Lets hope he doesn't go edit himself since he has the power to make changes and such.

[Muku]

Ok since there has been no direct reply so far I open this question to not only The Prosecutor but to Doc P and dk as well.

What "insult" did the Fonze specifically make that warranted issuing any infractions points against him?

This is only in regards to my previous post here timed at Today 11:38 AM, nothing following that.:)

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Ok since there has been no direct reply so far I open this question to not only The Prosecutor but to Doc P and dk as well.

What "insult" did the Fonze specifically make that warranted issuing any infractions points against him?

This is only in regards to my previous post here timed at Today 11:38 AM, nothing following that.:)
Shouldn't the moderating be handled by, let's see, moderators?

[Fonze]

so as you see the whole paragraph on #71 he gave me an infraction on this- if you wnt to act like a bitch ill call u one if you want to act stupid ill tell you to f off. be a better moderator TP- way out of context.

Eel if there was a fair mod on then maybe but he is not.

[Fonze]

Come on tp post 84 and 85 on dam mosqitos, you were aparently reading and said nothing tp. Where were your mod skill then huh? Please answer tp i am asking you a fair question. I thought rules were not to continuesly follow people with bs yet you did nothing.

[Fonze]

No answers mister mod i'm waiting.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

No answers mister mod i'm waiting.
tick, tick, tick...

[Fonze]

funny for a guy who bangs his mom with chopsticks. go eat tofu or go teach or something

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Fonze, your posts are malicious, ill-natured and not appropriate for the JU Forum.

[Fonze]

I just figured you out eel. male teacher that came to teach in asia, has been to many asian countries. Can anyone say john mark carr JR. i heard there are many young boys in need of education around here. And they don't hit back. tis tis tis.


JFK

[TheNoNamedOne]

Libal accusations on a persons character such as being a pedophile are an insult. Do you have any evidence to support such horrendous accusations?

[Fonze]

Libal accusations on a persons character such as being a pedophile are an insult. Do you have any evidence to support such horrendous accusations?

I said i was jfk. Just f-in kidding.

And to answer like you unless there is evidence to suggest otherwise i can't count it out as a possibility.

7 infractions in less than 24 hours and only 2 are warranted:thumbup:

Hey what about calling others liars and insulting there characters?

[DougP]

Here's an idea. Why not just lock this thread. It would be a good alternative to all the mudslinging going on here. I just read through the past few pages since my last post and haven't seen one thing in reference to the OP. I say if threads get out of hand like this one has, lock it. Let people cool down and realize that the reason why they can no longer contribute to this thread is because some cannot act civil. No need to add fuel to the fire.

[silviasichigo]

yeah bitches (if the shoe fits)

[DoctorP]

I said i was jfk. Just f-in kidding.

And to answer like you unless there is evidence to suggest otherwise i can't count it out as a possibility.

7 infractions in less than 24 hours and only 2 are warranted:thumbup:

Hey what about calling others liars and insulting there characters?

I don't care if you were kidding or not. You need to figure out how to speak to people!

Enjoy your cool down time.:thumbdown:

[themadscientist]

Libal accusations on a persons character such as being a pedophile are an insult. Do you have any evidence to support such horrendous accusations?
Yet that didn't stop you from not admonishing another member, the same one you now defend In fact you took it one step further in seeming to support an accusation that I was a liar with similar lack of evidence. I certainly do not suggest Fonze's comment was acceptable but neither was the one directed at me; both should have been handled in a similar fashion. The fact is TP, you are not objective.
Now Fonze did lose his cool and talked himself into a ban but while his wording was certainly unacceptable his message was valid. You continued to taunt him through the last pages of this thread. You egged him on knowing he was hot and would hang himself, not good. You then suppressed PMs? What you send to someone else is their's to reveal or not. If you do not want a comment to see the light of day perhaps the comment should not be made. The other Mods, at least what I see of their activity are even-handed, you play favorites. That is not right. I am a Mod on another board and I appreciate how difficult it is to walk that fine line but it needs to be walked.
I support his ban, he needs a cooling off period. I do hope it is a just vacation though and he will get a chance to come back after he has calmed down.
I will do my best not to challenge the staff, we can't have mod bashing become a regular facet of the board or the whole system will breakdown. I think this solitary post should be adequate to convey my concerns, but I sincerely hope there is serious discussion in the mod and admin forums about this state of affairs.

[dk]

TP did an acceptable job. I cannot say much right now as my left hand is busted up and typing is a bit of a pain, but DocP and myself were not around during most of this. I popped my head in from time to time and told TP that as I could not be here that he should use his judgement and be the boss for the time being. He did. Fonze didn't respect that. Fonze got a temp-ban.

Now, if you all still have anything you would like to discuss in a civilized manner that has not yet been discussed in this thread, feel free. But as I am, for the time being, out of commission, TP did what he felt he needed to do.

If it were me, I wouldn't have been giving Fonze infractions one at a time. If you came at me the way Fonze has come at TP today and in the past, I would be surprised if I had the self-control to give you three chances.

[TheNoNamedOne]

What you send to someone else is their's to reveal or not.

No, it is not. PMs here on this forum board have been decided to be just that -- private -- and not for posting on the boards.

With all due respect TMS, as for your other comments about me not being objective, that has been discussed numerous times on other threads in the past and each time came up lacking in merit.

[Muku]

What was Fonze guilty of here (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30756&postcount=64)

You know what I figured out you can't openly answer this question because to do so would be at the minimum a partial admition that you made an error in handing out the initial infractions to The Fonze here.

Also being fully aware of his passionate nature in responding used this as an opportunity to keep on pushing him.

He may not be the most eloquent person here, and he does admittedly get hot headed, however in these posts there is nothing there, even to the rules of the forum here, that warranted the infractions given.

The posts after that are another story.....however this is where it started from and imo he is owed an apology by someone on the admin team.

He may be banned, but I will bet that he is still "lurking" around here somewhere:).

[Muku]

With all due respect TMS, as for your other comments about me not being objective, that has been discussed numerous times on other threads in the past and each time came up lacking in merit.


Interesting response......

Take this as you will and remember this, there are plenty of others here that disagree with the lacking in merit part. :)

[themadscientist]

Well as I said, I am not going to continue harping on it, that can't be allowed and I understand why. I also would not expect nor want to see staff business aired out here, it can't be. I said my peace and I am moving on on this subject. I do hope all these issues are discussed up there or to the side, wherever that forum appears on your screen. :D
I will be watching and participating in the PM thread though as I see it different.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Fair enough, TMS.

[Muku]

Ok after all the dust has settled from yesterday there is one post here that I would appreciate being answered. I doubt that it was missed either.

For myself and anyone else that has been following along, as there have been quite a few views of this thread by members and otherwise.

Now then acknowledging of course that the Fonze is responsible for his actions for further reference here as well, what exactly did he do wrong in these threads that incurred infractions and warnings? I am talking about these posts alone quoted here below and nothing afterwards. These two posts seem to be the starting point of everything and it seems to me that the Fonze up to this point had a valid argument.

This is a single post view; from this thread.

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30756&postcount=64

From these posts alone what rules did he break to incur the infractions?

To be quite honest here I think that to admit there was a mistake made in the begining is what the problem is here. Fonze while not being the most eloquent person here and on more than one occasion uses questionable language does not seem to be guilty of breaking any of the rules here. There appears to be bias against his comments vs the comments of other posters.

To admit the mistake was made, also is an admitance that at least partially the admin team here is to a degree responsible for egging him on at least to receive more infractions and get himself banned here. To say that the admin team here is unaware of the manner in which or how The Fonze replies to things would be a lie. Of course he is ultimately responsible for what he writes here, however there was no need to instigate or push him either.

Imo The Fonze is owed an apology from someone on the admin team here. If he had not received those first infractions odds are he would still be here to "fight" another day.


The Fonze may be banned here however I would bet he is still lurking.

[DoctorP]

The odds are that he would have received a more immediate ban. No need to answer any questions to you about this as it is between the mod/admin team and Fonze.

[Muku]

The odds are that he would have received a more immediate ban. No need to answer any questions to you about this as it is between the mod/admin team and Fonze.

Ok, btw this answer and what you dont say here says more than enough in reply.

Thanks for confirming what I was thinking.:)

[ja_Patriot]

I didn't get to read this thread yesterday and posted on the other thread re "Are PM's fair game...".

Fonze was instigated and that should have been taken into consideration.

I've seen posts by Samy Fineman & Medama_Oyaji where profane language and name calling was exchanged in a number of posts yet nary a warning from the mods. (See post #27 in thread “AFN: What’s with the religion radio…” The profanities were deleted but I didn’t see any public warning of a ban from the mods.

Are we being a little selective because one involves a minor personality and the other is just a poster?

Having received a public warning while others got away with rules violations is probably why Fonze flew off the handle.

I think Fonze should be let back in right away and just leave it at that. I'm sure he'll choose his words wisely but express his passion and opinion just as strongly.

[P_chan]

We all know fonze has a hot head. I read most of what happened, and I think the incident was instigated somewhat. Does that mean he should have said what he did? No, but I understand his frustration once it comes to this matter.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

It appears the 'law of the jungle - hands off' approach has its drawbacks. Yet, when the mods do step in, some folks scream bloody murder. I think they do a thankless job, and are "damned if they do, damned if they don't". It would probably be best if they adopt the policy most boards have, and not allow any discussion of the mod decisions. Decisions, once made, are final and not to be questioned. Those who question or discuss mod decisions have those posts deleted, and receive a temporary posting ban. Complaints may be sent to the admin for review, but the admin reserves the right to respond/act, or not. The mods/admin are the police of this community, and one doesn't question/talk back to police consequence-free.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Yet, when the mods do step in, some folks scream bloody murder. I think they do a thankless job, and are "damned if they do, damned if they don't".

This is becoming more and more apparent.

[Muku]

This is becoming more and more apparent.
As pointed out here before by other posters as well, not just me, if the moderating is balanced and impartial across the board without the obvious show of favoritism, I dont think that anyone, including myself would have any complaints at all.

Experience at being a good moderator takes time and effort and on many occasions is a thankless job, no matter how much one tries.

One thing to remember though is that NOONE is faultless and when mistakes are made, unintentional or otherwise to openly admit something went wrong would go a lot farther with the membership in building an open and fair community. :), rather than just covering it up or hiding behind the moderator label.

[ja_Patriot]

It appears the 'law of the jungle - hands off' approach has its drawbacks. Yet, when the mods do step in, some folks scream bloody murder. I think they do a thankless job, and are "damned if they do, damned if they don't". It would probably be best if they adopt the policy most boards have, and not allow any discussion of the mod decisions. Decisions, once made, are final and not to be questioned. Those who question or discuss mod decisions have those posts deleted, and receive a temporary posting ban. Complaints may be sent to the admin for review, but the admin reserves the right to respond/act, or not. The mods/admin are the police of this community, and one doesn't question/talk back to police consequence-free.

dk, docP & tp have been quite reasonable. The progress of this forum has not been without the small participation of active, quality posters. Having the mods act like the gestapo would be counter-productive, wouldn't you agree?

Now, quite frankly, you seem to have gotten away with instigating. Why don't you just leave it at that.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

dk, docP & tp have been quite reasonable. The progress of this forum has not been without the small participation of active, quality posters. Having the mods act like the gestapo would be counter-productive, wouldn't you agree?
With you so far...

Now, quite frankly, you seem to have gotten away with instigating. Why don't you just leave it at that.
Take your time - read through the forum topics from the start. M'sMs anyone?

[P_chan]

M'sMs anyone?I'm nominating your for the position of JU forum instigator!:first::thumbup::w00t::barf::D:rolleyes :

[Tempestuous]

We have the right to question the actions of whomever we damn well please.......
doesn't mean it will change anything, but the right is there.

dk has been open in the past- you think I did something unjustly- let me know. And usually people don't see the need to. When they do bring it up, he is usually open about his reasonings. Doesn't mean he changes the decisions but he at least takes people into consideration and opens the door to his perspective.


We question the decisions of our politicians, our bosses, our supervisors, our mates, our acquaintances, etc.
Hell some even question god, so I would say you aren't gonna get people that just take whatever you shove up their ass without questioning it at least to some degree.
:)

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

We have the right to question the actions of whomever we damn well please.......

How American:army:

[TheNoNamedOne]

Having the mods act like the gestapo would be counter-productive, wouldn't you agree?

Now, quite frankly, you seem to have gotten away with instigating. Why don't you just leave it at that.

We have never acted like the gestapo and I don't think that is the suggestion. But there is a case for the moderating team to be a little stricter than what we have been in the past. I think that is one of the points E is pointing out when he mentioned how most other forums are run with respect towards moderation. And to be honest, many forums (and many of them successful) are run the way he described above.

I am not saying this forum should copy those in all aspects to the same degree, but then we shouldn't ignore the experiences and models of other successful forums either.

E's point is a fair one to make and point out -- particularly in light of the high drama that has been pointed at the moderating.

[ja_Patriot]

We have never acted like the gestapo and I don't think that is the suggestion. But there is a case for the moderating team to be a little stricter than what we have been in the past. I think that is one of the points E is pointing out when he mentioned how most other forums are run with respect towards moderation. And to be honest, many forums (and many of them successful) are run the way he described above.

I am not saying this forum should copy those in all aspects to the same degree, but then we shouldn't ignore the experiences and models of other successful forums either.

E's point is a fair one to make and point out -- particularly in light of the high drama that has been pointed at the moderating.


As posted by JA.
"...dk, docP & tp have been quite reasonable. The progress of this forum has not been without the small participation of active, quality posters. Having the mods act like the gestapo would be counter-productive, wouldn't you agree?..."

You took my statement out of context. What else is there to say. Is it because E's posts have appealed to your AR activism side?

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the mods. When there is imbalance I will point it out to your chief. Is that OK with you?

[TheNoNamedOne]

You took my statement out of context. What else is there to say.

I agree, I could have worded my very first sentence better.

Is it because E's posts have appealed to your AR activism side?

Listen, E is not an ARist or a Vegetarian. He is an Animal Welfarist if anything and he has said on several occasions he does not agree with AR or subscribe to my views on them. And ARists do not sit comfortably with AWists on issues of phylsosophy and animals. It's almost like saying "astronomers and astrologists agree on things." They are far apart!

So, E's posts have not appealed to my AR activism because we do not see eye to eye on that. What E's posts do appeal to me with regards to the discussions on animals is on the level of and tone of discourse. He does not act dismissive or indignant with his arguments in those post topics. Neither is he derisive or callously insulting to the ideas of ARists and what horrors the animals go through by making jokes about those experiences.

[ja_Patriot]

Thanks for the clarification TP.

E's a quality poster so what he says is always food for thought. I just thought what he opined on may have counter-productive implications rather than improvement, the forum being already quite reasonably handled by the mods the way things are.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Fair enough, ja_Patriot.

[Muku]

I am not saying this forum should copy those in all aspects to the same degree, but then we shouldn't ignore the experiences and models of other successful forums either.


Finally, if you or anyone goes back to some of my earlier posts here I brought up the subject of, use of language, manners, etc etc and had it shot down rather quickly.

If considerations like this are being discussed then it tells me that things are growing in the right direction. That is a plus overall.

Learning to be a fair and impartial moderator takes time, too many times emotions dictate responses. Which should be expected as everyone is human.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Learning to be a fair and impartial moderator takes time, too many times emotions dictate responses. Which should be expected as everyone is human.

Sorry, Muku, you and a few others cry foul when moderated. No one is perfect, and while the team tries to do the best at moderating and improving on that, no matter what moderation befalls on you in the future, I am sure you are going to go into another one of your high school mode hissy fits.

That seems to have been par for the course when your complaints and motherly protections for others are not heeded.

-----------------

On another note, for those of you who have been following this thread and the one on PMs, two new rules have been added to the rule list. If you want to check them out, go up to the Meet and Greet section and review the list. For those who have not been following these threads, dk will be sending out a mass PM in the near future so that everyone will be alerted to them.

[Muku]

quote=TheProsecutor;31457] I am sure you are going to go into another one of your high school mode hissy fits.

That seems to have been par for the course when your complaints and motherly protections for others are not heeded.
Here are three rules that you broke in one post....Mmmm:rolleyes:

Do not engage in a personal attack. Insults do occasionally happen in heated discussion. Avoid stooping to that level. However, there is a definite line between an insult and a personal attack. DO NOT cross that line.

Do not start a flame war on our forums. If you have a problem with a member of our forums, either take it to private messages or contact one of the moderators or administrators.

No trolling. A troll is someone who enters a discussion with the intent of stirring up trouble. Coming into a topic with no other motive than to anger the members, moderators, and/or administrator is not fine.

This reply amongst a few others recently by you towards me break the preceeding rules. Are you going to moderate yourself now? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[DocTurtle]

Let it go. Move on. Yes, the mods should be held to the same rules as everyone else, but if they pointed out every single foul, we wouldn't have a forum. We all duck under the rules here and there. Screw the tali. Let's move on Muku. You're point has been stated several times, we all see it. Come on *leaves hand out*

[Fonze]

Thats one lame ass excuse though that sometimes the mods miss the mark on moderating especially when they join in with comments of there own.

[P_chan]

welcome back fonze:D

[Muku]

welcome back fonze:D
Welcome back from me too! Hope your here for the long run this time!

[Fonze]

One last thing on this whole drama.

I caused myself to get banned. It was all me for my colorful vocab.

As for eelecurb. The reason I was talking shit was for 2 reasons. 1. I got tired of seeing you just instigate and runnig around starting shit(E-thug or e-bully) That type of stuff i would have bitch slapped people in the past for.

2. I could say some funny, colorful jokes but the moderating here seems bias so thats that with you.

As for docp. I think you acted a little hasty,but we know you dont care what others think. Your line is if you dont like it you dont have to be here. I think i was banned cause I was on to some narrow minded, unair bias moderating. Oh well.


As for dk. I appologize for making a big deal but that is one lame ass excuse that he misses somethings but not others. When he doesn't do anything on somethings but does on other members. I just hpe you know that.

It was MOSTLY my fault, but hey lets get some scores back.

[P_chan]

It was MOSTLY my fault, but hey lets get some scores back.

I had just about all the high scores for a while

I lost them all:(

[Muku]

Fonze that is one of the reasons I started the thread about posting PM's here. The rules got changed and we can not post any information directly from a PM into a post.

Now I understand better here why there was such a response from eelecurb about against posting of any PM information. Thanks Fonze it answers some questions. I would have loved to see that one:rolleyes: (Not really.....)

FYI, next time he does something like that send it on to dk and let him deal with it.

[Fonze]

I erased it sorry. I see he's still on your trail about evrything though. Has the team done anything about it?

[P_chan]

It makes you wonder, honestly.

I have a strong dislike for instigation.:thumbdown:

[dk]

I'm a "bygones" type guy. I rarely dwell on the past.

[P_chan]

I'm a "bygones" type guy. I rarely dwell on the past.

Reminds me of a good saying I know:

"Every moment you spend looking back, is a moment you could have spent looking forward."

[dk]

"Every moment you spend looking back, is a moment you could have spent looking forward."
Good quote. Even in business, people seem to be too reactive rather than proactive.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

It was MOSTLY my fault, but hey lets get some scores back.
You dug your own grave, and on your return it's clear you didn't learn a thing. The address you sent me was on base. I don't have access. I offered to meet you for beers, you declined. If you are going to break the forum rules, which were made explicit when Muku couldn't figure them out, at least get the facts straight.

[Fonze]

Name the place and time. send me a pm.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Fonze that is one of the reasons I started the thread about posting PM's here. The rules got changed and we can not post any information directly from a PM into a post.
Nor may you paraphrase and discuss it openly here. Again, which is it - painfully stupid or willfully ignorant?


FYI, next time he does something like that send it on to dk and let him deal with it.
That is the proper way to handle any such problem. As everyone except you and Fonze already understands.

[TheNoNamedOne]

So to prove to you that i wasn't some internet thug i told you were you could find me and that offers still on the table.

Fonze, go review the rules of the forum.

Do not even remotely make a post like this again.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Name the place and time. send me a pm.
I offered to meet you for beers before, you declined, and invited me to visit you for a fight. Not interested then, not interested now. I'm a lover, not a fighter. No, that's not an offer.

[Fonze]

Okay tp what about what he just wrote lets see if you miss that one.
eel i didn't post the pm but it seems like you just brought more out i doubt anything will happen especially since you are being backed up by a mod.

[Fonze]

I offered to meet you for beers before, you declined, and invited me to visit you for a fight. Not interested then, not interested now. I'm a lover, not a fighter. No, that's not an offer.

WoW wow when did i say that. I never said fight please check yourself cause we know how one of the mods gets here about defending his good buddy.

I like many of your post eel but it seems like youv'e just been instigating to much lately. Go to the meet and we will drink there but dont think for a moment if you act like here you will get away with it. Lover not a fighter = Coward specially for a shit talker.

[P_chan]

I like long walks on the beach and pretty flowers!

Why does everyone want to fight each other? Can't we all just voice our opinions, yet respect one another and get along?


*cough*But I hate instigation.*cough*:D

[dk]

*cough*But I hate instigation.*cough*:D
Me too, and that double standards thread gets under my skin. You guys (not you p_chan, you've proven yourself quite well) just totally fail at co-existance.

[Tempestuous]

Me too, and that double standards thread gets under my skin. You guys (not you p_chan, you've proven yourself quite well) just totally fail at co-existance.

Oh dear lord!

This is about the time Mom takes over and "finishes" the
'he started it' bs.

I mean come on already!!!
He said so I did.
And then he

Blah, blah, blah.

Each is responsible for him or herself and the actions or words they chose to utilize.
It doesn't matter what the other said or did, YOU chose to do what you did and YOU need to knock it off before we knock your heads together.

:D

[TheNoNamedOne]

I like long walks on the beach and pretty flowers!

Why does everyone want to fight each other? Can't we all just voice our opinions, yet respect one another and get along?


*cough*But I hate instigation.*cough*:D

Listen, everyone does not want to fight someone. Only ONE member here has ever gone down that route. IF you are going to mention it, it is only the hones thing to do to properly note the member rather than trying to spread it around.

[P_chan]

Me too, and that double standards thread gets under my skin. You guys (not you p_chan, you've proven yourself quite well) just totally fail at co-existance.

I try to love everyone, especially the ladies:D

Listen, everyone does not want to fight someone. Only ONE member here has ever gone down that route. IF you are going to mention it, it is only the hones thing to do to properly note the member rather than trying to spread it around.

First off, I'm not calling ANYBODY out. Especially since I think the member in question is not the only person at fault here.

I know not everyone wants to fight, but I've noticed a lot of instigating lately in this forum. Once you poke and prod someone who is know to have a short temper, that's instigation. Weather it be a verbal or physical fight, it doesn't matter. You become just as much at fault for instigating as the person who explodes is guilty for wanting to fight.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I try to love everyone, especially the ladies:D



First off, I'm not calling ANYBODY out. Especially since I think the member in question is not the only person at fault here.

Then there is no reason to mention the point about everyone wanting to fight.. Again, only one person has done that.

I know not everyone wants to fight, but I've noticed a lot of instigating lately in this forum. Once you poke and prod someone who is know to have a short temper, that's instigation. Weather it be a verbal or physical fight, it doesn't matter. You become just as much at fault for instigating as the person who explodes is guilty for wanting to fight.

When someone has been found to apply the same thought/argument inconsistently, ANYONE has a right to say, "hey, what about this you said before? You seem to not be consistent." Nothing wrong with that and that is deserving of an answer. IF someone cannot offer a Mea Culpa on the point, then that is mere pride at not wanting to admit one has been caught.

Btw, Pchan, I think referring to animal rightists as "nut jobs" to be instigating. Why don't you? You know I am an ARist, so to me that sure is instigating, and you have done it several times. I am sure I can find more examples of you and others instigating with derogatory remarks that you know are going to be pique me. How about "the more an animal suffers, the better it tastes"? That piques me.

[Muku]

Has the team done anything about it?

Well, I hope that after the discussions you have seen here today the answer is rather easy to see.

Evidently he was given infractions for one reason or another, don't know what post it was for and I can only guess here but I would be willing to bet that is one of the reasons why he is following me around. Oh and now I really dont care what the infraction was for either.

Did you see what he did with The Mad Scientist?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I know not everyone wants to fight, but I've noticed a lot of instigating lately in this forum. Once you poke and prod someone who is know to have a short temper, that's instigation. Weather it be a verbal or physical fight, it doesn't matter. You become just as much at fault for instigating as the person who explodes is guilty for wanting to fight.
There is a world of difference between a verbal altercation and a physical altercation. You've heard the old "sticks and stones..." line before. Just as courtrooms and college debate clubs don't have fisticuffs, neither do Internet forums. Just as their are rules to the way you speak in certain places, there are rules to the way one writes on a forum. To threaten real world physical harm, and/or to go looking for it goes way beyond a spiritied and heated debate.

Just as there is a tough kid or bunch that rules the playground, there is a tough bunch that rules a forum. (Hint, it's not the one that resorts to straight out name calling and profanity and violent threats.)

[P_chan]

This isn't about inconsistency, it's about instigating. Making suggestive and "beating around the bush" comments like "oh are you coming out to me?" is instigating. Especially once it is directed at someone who is known to have a short temper, and you exploit that for your own gain.

All I have to say to you on the AR nut job remarks I make is this. I'll instigate once I feel someone has done the same to me, or I've seen it happen.

[P_chan]

There is a world of difference between a verbal altercation and a physical altercation. You've heard the old "sticks and stones..." line before. Just as courtrooms and college debate clubs don't have fisticuffs, neither do Internet forums. Just as their are rules to the way you speak in certain places, there are rules to the way one writes on a forum. To threaten real world physical harm, and/or to go looking for it goes way beyond a spiritied and heated debate.

Just as there is a tough kid or bunch that rules the playground, there is a tough bunch that rules a forum. (Hint, it's not the one that resorts to straight out name calling and profanity and violent threats.)

Never said it was ok to threaten physical harm. I also never said it was right to bust out into name calling, profanity, and violent threats. But don't be shocked once you poke an instigate a member that has a very short fuse and then they explode in a flurry of profanity and threats.

Oh and nice tough bunch remark. Are you trying to say that you "rule" the forum?:rolleyes:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Well, I hope that after the discussions you have seen here today the answer is rather easy to see.

Evidently he was given infractions for one reason or another, don't know what post it was for and I can only guess here but I would be willing to bet that is one of the reasons why he is following me around. Oh and now I really dont care what the infraction was for either.
You can see it in anyone's public profile if you are interested. Yes, I was cautioned. Do I always agree with the mods/admin about everything. No, but that's life. They are the law around here. I didn't like getting warned, felt that you and others had gotten away with worse, but accepted it and moved on.

Did you see what he did with The Mad Scientist?
Showed him the error of his ways. We get along famously now:)

[Muku]

You can see it in anyone's public profile if you are interested.

Just like you missed on seeing red cards on posts in threads, you miss here as well. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

FYI only you and the admin/mod's can see what if any infractions or warnings that have been given.

[Asshat]

What red cards? Sheesh. I miss out on everything.

[DougP]

Wait so does eel have special mod like privileges that the rest of us don't?
Why can I not see these things he speaks of? Ahhhg I'm going blind that's why... nooooooooooo

[dk]

I'm going blind that's why...
I wonder why you're going blind!:rolleyes:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Just like you missed on seeing red cards on posts in threads, you miss here as well. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

FYI only you and the admin/mod's can see what if any infractions or warnings that have been given.
Oh well. Enjoy one of my rare slips. I'm sure you've been waiting:D

[DougP]

I wonder why you're going blind!:rolleyes:

ouchhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/DougGTR32/heh_heh.gif
its kinda hard to read Braille with hairy palms too:D

[DougP]

Oh well. Enjoy one of my rare slips. I'm sure you've been waiting:D

:scared:huh? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/DougGTR32/headscratch.gif

[dk]

ouchhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/DougGTR32/heh_heh.gif
its kinda hard to read Braille with hairy palms too:D
omg hahahaha. :thumbup:

[P_chan]

Wait so does eel have special mod like privileges that the rest of us don't?
Why can I not see these things he speaks of? Ahhhg I'm going blind that's why... nooooooooooo

Hey I thought I was the "special" one around here:D

[Muku]

:scared:huh? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/DougGTR32/headscratch.gif

Warnings and infractions Post Number 6 (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2121)


And Post 144 on this thread.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Mistakes:
eelecurb 2, Muku 2,344
:D

[TheNoNamedOne]

All I have to say to you on the AR nut job remarks I make is this. I'll instigate once I feel someone has done the same to me, or I've seen it happen.

And what from the ARist here has instigated you to instigate calling ARists nut jobs? Not only did you do that in the middle of threads but I think you made that comment in one of your OPs as well.

What, are you going to just say my opinion about a meat diet being imoral to be an instigation and therefore that leads to justifying calling them "nut-jobs"s?

Pchan, according to your view of instigation, you, too, and many here, are guilty of that. It is a subjective term and one can keep going further and further back always justifying it on the previous instigation some feels was given. Even Christians could claim calling their religion or the Bible a joke to be instigating. Even your purposeful attempt at derailing a thread with your "mission" is instigating, where you can call it joking, then others can, too, or the fact that others want to keep talking about the topic more seriously etc....

[TheNoNamedOne]

Mistakes:
eelecurb 2, Muku 2,344
:D

LOL! Funny!!!

[P_chan]

The only reason I instigate now, is because someone did the same to me, numerous times. You call me a nut job and I really won't give a shit. After all, you'd probably say it just to get me all riled. So in other words, you'd INSTIGATE!!!

Oh and the reason I tried to derail a different thread was because I'm sick of seeming threads become flame wars against users on this forum. I never tried to derail this thread.


Mistakes:
eelecurb 2, Muku 2,344
:DSomeone is full of them self.

LOL! Funny!!!You forgot to give him a sportsman's pat on the butt.

[TheNoNamedOne]

The only reason I instigate now, is because someone did the same to me, numerous times. You call me a nut job and I really won't give a shit. After all, you'd probably say it just to get me all riled. So in other words, you'd INSTIGATE!!!

That is part of my point! Everyone is saying Eelecurb is instigating but then you are saying you have done so because of all the times before. You think you have the right to do so but then deny the action to someone else. This term "instigating" is just too slippery. If Eele's replies are looked at such then MANY more are going to be on the chopping block.

Muku got called on being inconsistent. That simple. He didn't like being called on it. Views is as an attack on his character, as if it some moral attack on him -- not even reaching a tenth to the level of being associated with the likes of an accused pedophile.

Oh and the reason I tried to derail a different thread was because I'm sick of seeming threads become flame wars against users on this forum. I never tried to derail this thread.

Use the report button if what you think is a rule violaton and the team will review it. Do not purposely derail a thread. The Team will decide when to close a thread to stop the discussion.


Someone is full of them self.

You forgot to give him a sportsman's pat on the butt.

I have never used the "Thanks" button to give attaboys like many of you. Text is quite adequate for me. But hey, I know some like to give and rack-up attaboy points.

[Muku]

Oh and the reason I tried to derail a different thread was because I'm sick of seeming threads become flame wars against users on this forum. I never tried to derail this thread.

I know that, you know that, 448 other members know that. It's just the 2 of "them" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: that dont know that.

Sadly reality for those 2 is...
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9d/180px-The_Pee-Wee_Herman_Show.JPG

[P_chan]

Never said anyone couldn't instigate, I just said I don't like it. It's my opinion, no one else has to agree with me, and I'm not looking for praise. I also never said eel was the only person who instigates. He's just the person who's been doing it the most lately IMO.

Oh and I normally don't derail a thread. Sometimes I'll jump into a heated thread and throw some randomness in there to lighten the mood, but thats it. I got sick of seeing something that I know the mod team would not have done anything about, so I did what I could do with what little power I have here.

I have never used the "Thanks" button to give attaboys like many of you. Text is quite adequate for me. But hey, I know some like to give and rack-up attaboy points.You over analyze everything, and bring up moot points. I give thanks to posts for many different reasons. If it's something interesting someone brought to my attention, I give them a thanks (I think I even gave you one for it). If someone says something really funny and random, I'll give them a thanks. If someone makes a really good point on a subject, you guessed it, I'll give them a thanks. So your attempt on throwing my butt pat remark back at me was a failure, FISSION MAILED!!!

:edit: Are you insinuating that it's wrong to give thanks to a lot of posts like the nearly 100 thanks I've given out? Trying to get me riled up are you? Seems like instigation to me:D (that's a joke, for those of you who take things out of context) Just because I do things different from you, doesn't make them wrong. I don't even know why your brining up the thanks feature anyways. What are you getting at? Oh and I'll say it again, I don't fish for thanks from other users, so please don't accuse me of that. You know I don't like to be accused of things that I don't do and that is one of my personal pet peeves. Here comes the poking and prodding again to get users riled up:rolleyes:

[Muku]

Muku got called on being inconsistent. That simple. He didn't like being called on it. Views is as an attack on his character, as if it some moral attack on him -- not even reaching a tenth to the level of being associated with the likes of an accused pedophile.

Fyi...I havent responded on your other thread for any number of reasons, that is my choice. You are assuming things here as well, as you did on that thread too. Dont you ever get tired of assuming?:rolleyes:

Oh and you wont get it, maybe one day you will, but when that day comes it will probably be too late.

This is twice today that you have "attacked", the first time was about calling me dishonest, now you make an implication that I am on the level of a pedophile.

You still can call yourself a moderator?

Edited to add.....

This thread needs to go the way of the locked one's soon. TP YOU are instigating things here and you should stop.


Edited again to add......
This reference to the pedophile was about Fonzes posts...my bad!:)

[TheNoNamedOne]

:edit: Are you insinuating that it's wrong to give thanks to a lot of posts like the nearly 100 thanks I've given out? Trying to get me riled up are you? Seems like instigation to me:D (that's a joke, for those of you who take things out of context) Just because I do things different from you, doesn't make them wrong. I don't even know why your brining up the thanks feature anyways. What are you getting at? Oh and I'll say it again, I don't fish for thanks from other users, so please don't accuse me of that. You know I don't like to be accused of things that I don't do and that is one of my personal pet peeves. Here comes the poking and prodding again to get users riled up:rolleyes:

There is no poking and prodding of you P_chan from me -- definitely not more than calling ARists nut jobs (now there is a fine example of "poke and prod").

You asked why the "Thanks" feature was brought up and said it was moot, -- well,... the reason it was brought up was because YOU inittiallly brought it up a few posts ago telling me I forgot to do that to Eele. Perhaps I am wrong, but that is how I took:

You forgot to give him a sportsman's pat on the butt.

I mean a pat on the butt/back is an attaboy, isn't it. I recall specifically Muku announcing he would be using it as such. But, then maybe you were referring to something else. However, I don't see how any other way a "pat on the back" can be issued here if not in text form.

Sorry if I read you wrong. But that is how it looks.

[P_chan]

Yep you read me wrong. I was making a reference to the fact that eel said (some time ago) I was one of muku's "minions". To which I response to him that if we were all someone's minion then that would make him your "bitch". Since you were right there on the heel's of eel's (funny saying:D) post saying how funny it was, I said the butt pat remark. Like you were there waiting for him to jump and and saying good job for doing his job of being your minion.

[TheNoNamedOne]

The big difference is that "bitch" is a more vulger term used perjoratively as an expletive. And if I recall correctly Eele was derisively referred to as my "girlfriend" when he first joined and offered some words up on my side of the argument. It is no secret that Muku has been seen as an Alpha leader of a certain pack here. It is quite obvious.

[P_chan]

Oh and I forgot to address this:

There is no poking and prodding of you P_chan from me -- definitely not more than calling ARists nut jobs (now there is a fine example of "poke and prod").

You can't bullshyt a bullshyter TP. You have poked and prodded me in the past. I recall sending you a PM a long time ago about not calling me out in thread's about unanswered questions. If I remember correctly, I was polite and just simply asked you to stop it. What did you do? You kept on poking until I got pissed and called you something along the lines of an ass. That's the poking, prodding, and instigating I'm talking about. You leave a vast majority of your posts very vague and open to interpretation. With pieces of bait for certain users littered throughout. Then you jump on them once they get fed up and call you a name or something along the lines of that. But in my book, the baiting and instigating is just as bad as the vulgar comments made towards the instigator. Now there is a FINE example of why I now poke and prod you with my AR nut job remark. Honestly, you would have to be a nut job to hand junk like this out out kids:

http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/fishing.jpg

Or make a comparsion like this:

http://www.joesabia.com/images/hol4.jpg

[P_chan]

The big difference is that "bitch" is a more vulger term used perjoratively as an expletive. And if I recall correctly Eele was derisively referred to as my "girlfriend" when he first joined and offered some words up on my side of the argument. It is no secret that Muku has been seen as an Alpha leader of a certain pack here. It is quite obvious.

Yes but why beat around the bush once you should clearly just call it how it is?

So I'm still a minion because I agree with muku on certain subjects? So I raise this question again. Eel agrees with you on a LOT of things, so what does that make him? Your minion and you the alpha leader? Or does your own twisted logic not apply to you?

[TheNoNamedOne]

lol. Well there you go! You prove my point clearly. Instigating is a subjective perception. Even calling Christianity or the Bible a joke is instigating.

However, stepping over the line and resorting to name calling or disrespectful or condescending remarks to a mod is stepping over the line.

[P_chan]

Ahhh what about once you were called something first. Oh I don't know, maybe something like "muku's minion"? After all, it might be a less vulgar word, but it's hinting at the same thing.

[Fonze]

Ass hats, ass hats, ass hats.

[Fonze]

So since when did the mods become such sissys for taunts. I remember when you could say all sorts of stuff then bam weenie mods.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Yes but why beat around the bush once you should clearly just call it how it is?

The English language, hell any language, is rich enough to let people get their point across without going down to the depths of name-calling using pejoratives and expletives. That is why we have rules against that -- because it totally breaks down civility if someone can say, "You are a bitch of his," "You are in his ass crack" or whatever lewd or crude remarks could be made. Saying you are in "his pack" or "in his gang" or "minion" is not crude pejoratives or expletives.

So I'm still a minion because I agree with muku on certain subjects? So I raise this question again. Eel agrees with you on a LOT of things, so what does that make him? Your minion and you the alpha leader? Or does your own twisted logic not apply to you?

I am not going to tell you where I got the word "Alpha" from in applying it to Muku and his position over his pack, except that I didn't originally come up with it. When it was mentioned to me I could totally see it as that.

As for factions here, perhaps the better analogy would be chess. Until Eele came I was pretty much fending off the lot you with Muku often trumpeting the charge -- or as you may put it, kinda instigating others. It was obvious some of you thought you were going in for the kill with your constant carping about TP doesn't deserve to be a mod and he isn't doing a good job blah blah blah. I weathered that. You guys menuevered on this board of chess. Now, one or two of you find yourselves at time with some push back from the other side and now your complaining has just gone up two or three decimal levels.

OH NOEZ... SOMEBODY ELSE AGREES WITH TP
OH NOEZ... THE TWO OF THEM ARE DEBATING ME AT THE SAME TIME.
OH NOEZ... WE WANT TP TO BE ALL ALONE AGAIN.
OH NOEZ... WHY IS HE STILL A MOD.

Geessh...

[DougP]

Thought I'd pop my head in here and see how this train wreck was going. Anyone need medical assistance? Nope? Ok moving right along :D

[Fonze]

so if i wanted to call you (not you tp but anyone) a pussy could i use snatch or vagina. Im serious these aren't lude. could u please answer this?

[TheNoNamedOne]

Why would you want to use a woman's anatomy as a way to insult someone? Is there something wrong with a woman's anatomy? What are you trying to get across? That someone is just too sensitive?

Why not just say, "You are too sensitive"? You see, English language is a flexible one that allows us to be civil.

[dk]

Go crazy with a thesaurus. Insult us in a way that makes us look up the word. :p

[Fonze]

TP you act like a gluticus maximus:D

[DougP]

TP you act like a gluticus maximus:D

ahem, its gluteus maximus..:D You need to work on your vituperating skills :)

[Fonze]

What about hey mater of child barer. Motha fudger.

[DougP]

or you could say something like... "Seriously, this abrupt and constant complaining by certain individuals seems like a mild case of Dyspareunia or possibly Andropause." :D

[P_chan]

The English language, hell any language, is rich enough to let people get their point across without going down to the depths of name-calling using pejoratives and expletives. That is why we have rules against that -- because it totally breaks down civility if someone can say, "You are a bitch of his," "You are in his ass crack" or whatever lewd or crude remarks could be made. Saying you are in "his pack" or "in his gang" or "minion" is not crude pejoratives or expletives.

Yet it means the same thing so it really doesn't matter.

I am not going to tell you where I got the word "Alpha" from in applying it to Muku and his position over his pack, except that I didn't originally come up with it. When it was mentioned to me I could totally see it as that.

As for factions here, perhaps the better analogy would be chess. Until Eele came I was pretty much fending off the lot you with Muku often trumpeting the charge -- or as you may put it, kinda instigating others. It was obvious some of you thought you were going in for the kill with your constant carping about TP doesn't deserve to be a mod and he isn't doing a good job blah blah blah. I weathered that. You guys menuevered on this board of chess. Now, one or two of you find yourselves at time with some push back from the other side and now your complaining has just gone up two or three decimal levels.
OH NOEZ... SOMEBODY ELSE AGREES WITH TP
OH NOEZ... THE TWO OF THEM ARE DEBATING ME AT THE SAME TIME.
OH NOEZ... WE WANT TP TO BE ALL ALONE AGAIN.
OH NOEZ... WHY IS HE STILL A MOD.Geessh...

Never said you should be unseated as mod, don't put words in my mouth. My only big beef with you is once you called me out in the forums once I was polite to you in the PM. Just seemed kinda rude and uncalled for IMO. That and once you went off on me because dk said it was ok, once I merely came into a thread and made a goofy comment about EVERYONE in the thread, not just you. I've also never really whined about it as much as you say I do. With that said, I would suggest you grow up and cease the childish taunts and instigating.

Oh and I never complained about having to fend you and TP jr. off at the same time on any subject. So where your getting these OH NOEZ comments is beyond me. Oh wait, I know! It's from your thread once you were instigating and trying to get people pissed off at you so you could try and throw it back in their faces at a later date.:rolleyes:

Anyways, I've said my piece on this. I don't really have anything else to say because I know how it will end up. Don't worry, I'm not running, and I'll probably pop my head in now and then. And no, I don't care if you have the last word on this. So go ahead and knock yourself out, stroke your ego some more and have the last word.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Well, I am sure not going to go back through a thousand pages to show you where you are wrong on a lot of that above. Anyways, I don't mind you leaving this discussion.

You still are missing the point of "instigating."

[P_chan]

Right.......I got your point, I said that.

I also never said that I was always right. But while were on that subject, wrong in who's eyes? Yours? Because even though your a mod, that doesn't make you right. If I felt you were wrong for being rude to me or calling me out, then your wrong. I took offense, and that's all that matters.

So let's drop this, because I really don't want to bring it up again.

Oh and stop putting words in my mouth already.


I really suck at staying out of topics:D

[dk]

or you could say something like... "Seriously, this abrupt and constant complaining by certain individuals seems like a mild case of Dyspareunia or possibly Andropause." :D
Saying so would leave me with this expression on my face -> :ohmy:

[P_chan]

Saying so would leave me with this expression on my face -> :ohmy:

Is your mouth always open like that dk? Sounds like your inviting someone, or something:D

sorry that was gay, but I couldn't resist:D

[dk]

That's my "bewilderment" face.

[DougP]

hehe my wife makes those "bewilderment" faces too sometimes :D

[Muku]

One word here............

Arcade:thumbup:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Yep you read me wrong. I was making a reference to the fact that eel said (some time ago) I was one of muku's "minions". To which I response to him that if we were all someone's minion then that would make him your "bitch". Since you were right there on the heel's of eel's (funny saying:D) post saying how funny it was, I said the butt pat remark. Like you were there waiting for him to jump and and saying good job for doing his job of being your minion.
IIRC, I haven't named anyone specifically as one of Muku's Minions. Some people assumed they were included in that group, and responded based on their own assumptions. It's kinda a self-made group.

[P_chan]

I wish my wife made the bewilderment face more often:D

IIRC, I haven't named anyone specifically as one of Muku's Minions. Some people assumed they were included in that group, and responded based on their own assumptions. It's kinda a self-made group.

We all knew what you were talking about and there is no reason to beat around the bush to try and keep yourself free from being called out on it. The fact that you were so vague about it, once it was so clear as to what you were hinting at, kinda insults the intelligence of other forum users.

[DougP]

IIRC, I haven't named anyone specifically as one of Muku's Minions. Some people assumed they were included in that group, and responded based on their own assumptions. It's kinda a self-made group.

Sounds a bit like...
“Well, uh, I don’t know where he’s not… on the contrary, I’m possibly more or less not definitely rejecting the idea that I undeniably do or do not know where he shouldn’t probably be. If that indeed wasn’t where he isn’t." Pinocchio from Shrek 3

[Bones]

So, once again we are finding ourselves in a quagmire.

I'm 50/50, as it relates to this thread.

First, I can see TP's side of the issue. Post an issue for deep thought, see how the people reply.

Yet when he gets a large number of negative responses, he tends to retort in kind.

Second, the people who do respond to him (with some exceptions) are wrong with their beliefs. Their values do not match his, and they don't have the amount of free time on their hands (which apparently "TP" has) , to do the necessary research to combat his arguments.

Third, it seems to me that everyone out there, wants to be the "Boss".

I don't see DK giving up his position any time soon, and I won't support anybodies idea of getting rid of DR.P.

Getting rid of TP, seems like a viable option. At least to some of you out there.

But then you run the chance of the "Forums", degenerating into what they used to be.

Who's to say that if you elect a new mod, things will get any better?

If you need someone to pound on , pound on me.

On the other hand, if someone doesn't agree with what what you've written, work on growing a thicker skin.

NBTP

[dk]

Thanks NBTP. And getting rid of TP isn't a viable option. The guy has been incredibly helpful on these forums. You all may not see everything that goes on behinds the scenes, but he is a great help to me in making decisions and thinking things through. I have never met anyone as detail oriented in my life, and if I needed a lawyer, I'd probably ask him even if his only education came from google and TV.

Thank you for your words though. And if anyone wants my position, it's available. For $100,000. J/K... sorta... lol. It'd take a lot of money to get me to leave JU lol.

[Muku]

Getting rid of TP, seems like a viable option. At least to some of you out there.

You know I have posted this somewhere here before, as regular member without being a moderator TP would be great for this forum. I still think that way.

Thanks NBTP. And getting rid of TP isn't a viable option. The guy has been incredibly helpful on these forums. You all may not see everything that goes on behinds the scenes, but he is a great help to me in making decisions and thinking things through. I have never met anyone as detail oriented in my life, and if I needed a lawyer, I'd probably ask him even if his only education came from google and TV.

Food for thought here.......

There are other ways to keep him around without him being a moderator here too. :)

I dont think anyone here wants to see him gone, just out of the moderating business that's all.

[dk]

Meh, I like having him as a moderator. Keeps me balanced. And I consider him to be a great member of the team.

I also have a short fuse, and he does a good job of helping me so I don't overtask myself.

[Mad Hatter]

Sometimes I really don't like want TP says, but he does make a good point 90% of the time. "Good point" meaning that he is right in his own way. But I know that if someone was there with me from the beginning of something, you better believe that they would play a big role in the up keep and decisions.

But just like all my other posts... right out of my ass:rolleyes::D

[ja_Patriot]

Thats one lame ass excuse though that sometimes the mods miss the mark on moderating especially when they join in with comments of there own.

Good to see you back, Fonze.

[Fonze]

Good to see you back, Fonze.

Thanks it was a good break.:D

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Moderators are also private posters. Probably greater than 95% of the time, they are posting as regular members of the forum. It's only when they are explicitly acting in their capacity as a mod/admin that they are exercising any authority. The rest of the time, they may express any opinions they wish, within the rules. People lose sight of that.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Sounds a bit like...
“Well, uh, I don’t know where he’s not… on the contrary, I’m possibly more or less not definitely rejecting the idea that I undeniably do or do not know where he shouldn’t probably be. If that indeed wasn’t where he isn’t." Pinocchio from Shrek 3
Damn man! You gotta share whatever it is yer smokin'...remember, puff-puff-PASS:cool:

[ja_Patriot]

That is part of my point! Everyone is saying Eelecurb is instigating but then you are saying you have done so because of all the times before. You think you have the right to do so but then deny the action to someone else. This term "instigating" is just too slippery. If Eele's replies are looked at such then MANY more are going to be on the chopping block.

Muku got called on being inconsistent. That simple. He didn't like being called on it. Views is as an attack on his character, as if it some moral attack on him -- not even reaching a tenth to the level of being associated with the likes of an accused pedophile.



Use the report button if what you think is a rule violaton and the team will review it. Do not purposely derail a thread. The Team will decide when to close a thread to stop the discussion.




I have never used the "Thanks" button to give attaboys like many of you. Text is quite adequate for me. But hey, I know some like to give and rack-up attaboy points.


TP.

Just a question. Why are you posting as such taking sides in this thread?

As a mod, don't you think it would be proper for you to step back, not take sides and just moderate?

I see dk and docP, do come in from time to time with witty comments to lighten up the air, but not necessarily taking sides, as passionate as they are with their own opinions.

Just a suggestion, Mr. Mod. I think eelecurb is old enough to take care of himself without having to overstate his posture knowing that a mod is on his side. And if you do post for one side, that should disqualify you as a mod for that particular thread at least, wouldn't you agree?

[DoctorP]

I don't see DK giving up his position any time soon, and I won't support anybodies idea of getting rid of DR.P.

Getting rid of TP, seems like a viable option. At least to some of you out there.

NBTP

NBTP...thanks for the vote of confidence...but I will add that there is no reason for anyone to suggest that TP be replaced.

TP does a fine job helping to run the forums. He sacrifices his personal time to do this, for no pay and evidently no respect...he is easily the Rodney Dangerfield of our forum.

Everyday we are faced with someone crying over some petty crap...there is no way to keep every member happy. The problem lies with the fact that most people do not care for TP's point of view and choice of topics. I myself do not care for many of them...but I do the right thing (most of the time) and just stay out of them.

As you said, people need to grow thicker skin...if you screw up, you will be corrected. Take it, accept it, and move on. No need to challenge it, as you will only make matters worse...kinda like swimming in quicksand.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Some folks, of which ja_Patriot is only the latest, don't appear to understand that moderators also post private opinions and ideas when they are not working in an official capacity. Some forums have a mod script, where any official action is hi-lighted in a red box so folks know that it's an official response, not a post as a regular member. Something to look at for the future of JU.

[dk]

TP does a fine job helping to run the forums. He sacrifices his personal time to do this, for no pay and evidently no respect...he is easily the Rodney Dangerfield of our forum.
I love it! True dat! :thumbup1:

[dk]

Some folks, of which ja_Patriot is only the latest, don't appear to understand that moderators also post private opinions and ideas when they are not working in an official capacity. Some forums have a mod script, where any official action is hi-lighted in a red box so folks know that it's an official response, not a post as a regular member. Something to look at for the future of JU.
I haven't found one of these yet, but if you see one, feel free to let me know. Can't say I've spent much time looking for one though.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=191

[ja_Patriot]

NBTP...thanks for the vote of confidence...but I will add that there is no reason for anyone to suggest that TP be replaced.

TP does a fine job helping to run the forums. He sacrifices his personal time to do this, for no pay and evidently no respect...he is easily the Rodney Dangerfield of our forum.

Everyday we are faced with someone crying over some petty crap...there is no way to keep every member happy. The problem lies with the fact that most people do not care for TP's point of view and choice of topics. I myself do not care for many of them...but I do the right thing (most of the time) and just stay out of them.

As you said, people need to grow thicker skin...if you screw up, you will be corrected. Take it, accept it, and move on. No need to challenge it, as you will only make matters worse...kinda like swimming in quicksand.


I found out from another post that TP is volunteering his time to moderate this forum. Kudos, TP and a job well done. Keeps people honest and not have the forum degenerate into what I understand was the quagmire of the old forum.

Still, just a suggestion. You can see from the post just prior to this how this poster called eelecurb has developed a bad attitude toward other posters, thinking in his mind that a mod will come to his rescue.

[dk]

TP and DocP both do this on a volunteer basis. I'm the only one getting paid, but I do forum work mainly at night, so it's sorta volunteer as well since I give up most of my freetime to hang out here. :p

I would get paid the same amount regardless of if this forum existed or not. I just like you guys. <3

[DoctorP]

Whoa...I'm not getting paid?? I'm outta here! lol

[ja_Patriot]

Some folks, of which ja_Patriot is only the latest, don't appear to understand that moderators also post private opinions and ideas when they are not working in an official capacity. Some forums have a mod script, where any official action is hi-lighted in a red box so folks know that it's an official response, not a post as a regular member. Something to look at for the future of JU.


When I post, what do I not appear to understand again? Can you smell the odor of your own flatulence?

I understand the situation perfectly well.

Now, if there's a way for a mod to post his private opinion but not as a mod, then fair enough.

Until then, a mod cannot be fair if he takes on one side as in this case. It's only human nature.

[dk]

Whoa...I'm not getting paid?? I'm outta here! lol
I can pay you in peanuts!

[DoctorP]

I can pay you in peanuts!

I'll take my pay in game credits! :thumbup:

[dk]

But I just gave you 18,000! God! You're worse than my wife!!!

[ja_Patriot]

Whoa...I'm not getting paid?? I'm outta here! lol


And kudos and thanks to you too, "Mr. Rodney Dangerfield II". That was a good one!

[DoctorP]

ok...beer then! 18,000 beers please!

[DoctorP]

But I just gave you 18,000! God! You're worse than my wife!!!

That's not what you said last night! (damn that was bad...but I couldn't help it!)

[dk]

ok...beer then! 18,000 beers please!
Two beers a month. I owe you 12 by now. Plus those ones I promised you before. Unfortunately, I'm already pretty broke right now, but I'll see if I can get JU to buy some beer coupons for you two. :D

That's actually a pretty good idea. I'll talk to the bossman. Maybe I can get you guys a whopping six pack every month lol...

[dk]

That's not what you said last night! (damn that was bad...but I couldn't help it!)
Oh man hahaha. It's all downhill from here.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I haven't found one of these yet, but if you see one, feel free to let me know. Can't say I've spent much time looking for one though.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=191
The one I use was done by the forum admin. He tweaked it so that we could put official mod actions in a red box using the mod script, and post our private opinions as regular members. Another option would be to have separate mod accounts, with user names reflecting position (eg. Admin, Mod1, Mod2; or just one account accessed by all three of you, like 'JU official', keeping it anon and thus deflecting the crap you normally take from Muku on a nearly daily basis).

[dk]

The one I use was done by the forum admin. He tweaked it so that we could put official mod actions in a red box using the mod script, and post our private opinions as regular members. Another option would be to have separate mod accounts, with user names reflecting position (eg. Admin, Mod1, Mod2; or just one account accessed by all three of you, like 'JU official', keeping it anon and thus deflecting the crap you normally take from Muku on a nearly daily basis).
That's not a bad idea. Thanks.

[DoctorP]

The one I use was done by the forum admin. He tweaked it so that we could put official mod actions in a red box using the mod script, and post our private opinions as regular members. Another option would be to have separate mod accounts, with user names reflecting position (eg. Admin, Mod1, Mod2; or just one account accessed by all three of you, like 'JU official', keeping it anon and thus deflecting the crap you normally take from Muku on a nearly daily basis).

We've discussed the common account, but each person has different post styles, so it wouldn't be hard to figure out who is doing the moderating.

[Bones]

It's about time for me to hit the sack, Dr.P.

Just thought about throwing my one yen in, and we're on the same page apparently.

But I'll stick with my argument that "everyone wants to be the "Boss".

I think that TP, is a pain in the...

On the other hand, the people who oppose him, might be just as bad once given that power.

When most of us out there make a post stating our opinions, we'll start to turn our views one way, or the other, depending on the argument. I've admitted to being wrong with my point of view, and so have a lot of other people.

TP, is never wrong with his postings, as he sees it. He's set in his ways, and nothing anybody out there says will sway his opinion.

Not saying that anything is wrong with that, but some folks out there might feel that their voices are not being heard. He's a MOD, he can just edit out anything that I might have to say, or manipulate my thread as he sees fit.

He's done that a few times, and so has everybody else out there, including myself.

I would never consider even thinking about being a MOD, but for those who do want to be one, as it relates to this issue, we are better off with what we have.

NBTP

[dk]

We've discussed the common account, but each person has different post styles, so it wouldn't be hard to figure out who is doing the moderating.
Yeah. True. I don't know, it's something to consider again I guess.

But really, I need to get away from my computer. The forums had 620 posts today, and I feel like I've sat here through all of it... I've been meaning to get off my computer chair and go lay on the couch for the past two hours, but you guys are just too entertaining. Time to peel myself away from my keyboard for a little while... See you guys later.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Well, I have been quite busy tonight posting a lot of stuff in the Admin/mod room, and during that time I see some rather audacious comments about me by some have been added here. At first I was going to reply to all the ones prior to this point, but the other members of the Admin/mod team have done quite will in addressing them and and covering them. So, I really don't feel a need to address some of you who have made points about me prior to this post.

I just want to say Drp used a great analogy about "quicksand." Always best to not try and swim in it. Some of you just have to understand, before the forums opened up several months ago, we anticipated that there would be attempts to drive a wedge between members of the team. It happens on many forums. We made it clear to each other that we would not let that happen. From the recent replies you should note that.

Some of you have undoubtedly seen the three of us debate hard against one another in past threads here. At times it looked quite acrimonious as we debated hard against one another. However, do not mistake our public disagreements on issues as a sign of not being committed to working as a team and backing one another up. That is a grave mistake to make if that further emboldens you to swim in quicksand.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

We've discussed the common account, but each person has different post styles, so it wouldn't be hard to figure out who is doing the moderating.
Yes, if you used the common account to pontificate in any way, your ID would be discovered PDQ. If you could keep interaction to a minimum, and just warn the offending poster with a impersonal form message "You have violated JU forum rule __, and have received __ infraction point(s)" there would be no problem.

[Muku]

That's not a bad idea. Thanks.
Finally, damn finally.....Cant believe it:eek:. If you remember, I doubt it though:rolleyes: I commented to you about making sure to keep mod posts and "member postings" separate. Plus about reclusing oneself from threads that are being participated in heavily as a member.:D

It seems that it has taken hearing it from others as well to get some consideration about this. Either way if it turns things out for the better than great. :D

Just about every forum I have and do participate in are moderated by volunteers. That is not a big deal to those that do it. To you sure it's a big deal, naturally, however to the overwhelming majority of people here they are just members the same as everyone else I would bet. Some do it for the "power" some do it out of an altruistic want to help others, what ever the reason,there really is no need to create martyrs is there?

Personally speaking one attitude that I would love to see changed here is the often harped on..."If you dont like it move on....." Think about that one everyone...Do you tell the neighbor that moved in next door to go take a walk or move on when you have a disagrement. If there is a goal to creating a stronger community here then that sure the heck is number one in stopping that from happening.

The mod's here parrot that line too.


You do have options as you know, here is another one for you....find a moderator to balance TP out.

Edited to add....
First off sorry for such a "deep" post first thing in the AM, :o

Serious question here....
I would appreciate a clear clarification here on one thing if you would;
I know that you expect us "regular" members to follow along with the rules of the forum here, that's a given. However....

Are your moderators here, DocP and The Prosecutor expected to follow along with the rules of the forum here the same as the rest of us?

[Muku]

Well, I have been quite busy tonight posting a lot of stuff in the Admin/mod room, and during that time I see some rather audacious comments about me by some have been added here. At first I was going to reply to all the ones prior to this point, but the other members of the Admin/mod team have done quite will in addressing them and and covering them. So, I really don't feel a need to address some of you who have made points about me prior to this post.

I just want to say Drp used a great analogy about "quicksand." Always best to not try and swim in it. Some of you just have to understand, before the forums opened up several months ago, we anticipated that there would be attempts to drive a wedge between members of the team. It happens on many forums. We made it clear to each other that we would not let that happen. From the recent replies you should note that.

Some of you have undoubtedly seen the three of us debate hard against one another in past threads here. At times it looked quite acrimonious as we debated hard against one another. However, do not mistake our public disagreements on issues as a sign of not being committed to working as a team and backing one another up. That is a grave mistake to make if that further emboldens you to swim in quicksand.


You certainly like drama dont you. Or is it the power? Do you really get off on feeling like you control people on this forum?

You know what else, you missed quite a few things, and purposely overlooked the fact that you are basically be called on the mat for expressly not practicing what you preach.

You bitch at people for not following the rules.....What do you do?

You bitch at people for their language?.......What do you do?(Edited to add since you will find a way to explain this one away....You just use a different level of words in telling someone they are full of shit that's all. However it still cuts the same way.)

You cry foul when someone instigates something?.......Yet you do the same and in many cases more.

You cover for your clone and allow him to get away with stuff that others would get infractions or worse for. You even noted that Doc P had to give him infractions, you could have done it but......worried about hurting someone feelings that thinks like you? That's how you come across, not that you are bothered by it.

You never get it do you?

Hell this is the first time I have commented about this......Your signature is instigating as well, every single day you leave it there has proven your hypocracy day in and day out. Keep it there, it shows everyone else how hyprocritical you are.

As a member you'd be fun....and thats a fact.:)

[Muku]

As you said, people need to grow thicker skin...if you screw up, you will be corrected. Take it, accept it, and move on. No need to challenge it, as you will only make matters worse...kinda like swimming in quicksand.


Dont want to put words in your mouth so please dont misunderstand this here......

Ok so basically you are saying when "we" screw up we should just suck it up and move on right? No problem there.

What happens when a mod(s) screw up? Are you saying we have to just suck it up and move on too?

Now are you going to come back with the ever present community degenerating line...."If you dont like it just move on or quit participating here....." or something similar?

Am I reading you right here?

Edited to add here......
It is easy for you to say "Dont challenge it", however this isnt the military, and I personally dont think that when you have intelligent and basically honest people posting things here on a message board one can expect that all decisions made are going to be just swallowed without on occasion dissention at the decisions being made.

Plus when along with any decisions that are made come the usual personal attacks from mod's that basically undermine their positions purely because they are biased. It isnt that hard to give infractions or warnings without any personal comments attached. I know I do it daily, it's easy.

Talking with or to people not down to them works very well.:)

[Asshat]

This is a bunch of childish BS. Even the "Thank you" button posters are walking right down the clique line.

Typical USA bullcrap. No matter what, agree with those who support your idiology, back them up through thick and thin and for God's sake, NEVER open your mind.

[ja_Patriot]

This is a bunch of childish BS. Even the "Thank you" button posters are walking right down the clique line.

Typical USA bullcrap. No matter what, agree with those who support your idiology, back them up through thick and thin and for God's sake, NEVER open your mind.

Uminchu,

It's not hard to notice you seem to rant and flame up other posters all day. It you have a different opinion, post it.

You can't just come in and flame. You should be warned and branded as a flamer.

[ja_Patriot]

Well, I have been quite busy tonight posting a lot of stuff in the Admin/mod room, and during that time I see some rather audacious comments about me by some have been added here. At first I was going to reply to all the ones prior to this point, but the other members of the Admin/mod team have done quite will in addressing them and and covering them. So, I really don't feel a need to address some of you who have made points about me prior to this post.

I just want to say Drp used a great analogy about "quicksand." Always best to not try and swim in it. Some of you just have to understand, before the forums opened up several months ago, we anticipated that there would be attempts to drive a wedge between members of the team. It happens on many forums. We made it clear to each other that we would not let that happen. From the recent replies you should note that.

Some of you have undoubtedly seen the three of us debate hard against one another in past threads here. At times it looked quite acrimonious as we debated hard against one another. However, do not mistake our public disagreements on issues as a sign of not being committed to working as a team and backing one another up. That is a grave mistake to make if that further emboldens you to swim in quicksand.


TP,

As far as I can see, the only “wedge” is self-inflicted because at times you do have some extreme views. Precisely because of this, you sometimes appear biased. It’s human nature.

I for one appreciate the fact that you volunteer your time for the community.

My question on Post #201 remains unanswered. It isn’t anything close to condescending or being impolite. We’re all members of very small community and we’re here for the long run. So I'm asking is how can we all enjoy this forum without being subject to biased moderating.


dk,

Here are some suggestions for sub-rules on moderators:

“Moderators are expected to stay out of all contentious debates, or at least to use alternate accounts to engage in them unbeknownst to common members.

Moderators may participate just as any normal member, provided they remain civil and generally obey the site rules.

Moderators should take it upon themselves not to moderate any discussion or topic they're involved in to avoid conflict of interest and bias.”

Respectfully,


ja_Patriot

[Asshat]

Uminchu,

It's not hard to notice you seem to rant and flame up other posters all day. It you have a different opinion, post it.

You can't just come in and flame. You should be warned and branded as a flamer.

First off, I post my opinions. Second off, the fact that you disagree with my opinions does not entitle you to "warn me." That last is laughable actually.

Do you have a specific question about my opinion on something, or are you merely resorting to name calling again?

[Fonze]

This is a bunch of childish BS. Even the "Thank you" button posters are walking right down the clique line.

Typical USA bullcrap. No matter what, agree with those who support your idiology, back them up through thick and thin and for God's sake, NEVER open your mind.

Thats not true that the thanks buttons put you in cliques cause ive thanked just about everyone including you, and we seem to disagree on things.

[dk]

I think I've thanked everyone at one point or another. Let me know if I missed you and I'll give you a freebie!

[Asshat]

Thats not true that the thanks buttons put you in cliques cause ive thanked just about everyone including you, and we seem to disagree on things.

Thanks Fonze...when the Thanks Button came up, that was one of the concerns, and my comments are not about that in of itself, but of the "teams" forming here.

Team A Conservatives
Team B Liberals.

Come on Fonze. I know you see it.

[dk]

Team A Conservatives
Team B Liberals.
That's existed on the forums ever since the very first forums were created. It was especially bad on the old forums right around the time of the Iraq invasion.

[Tempestuous]

I think I've thanked everyone at one point or another. Let me know if I missed you and I'll give you a freebie!

I don't think that you have "thanked" me. :D

[Asshat]

I think I've thanked everyone at one point or another. Let me know if I missed you and I'll give you a freebie!

I don't need anymore spankings, thank you. :D

[Tempestuous]

Alright ya smart asses

The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Tempestuous For This Useful Post:
Boost (Today), dk (Today), uminchu (Today)

Though, you all did make me laugh.
So I guess I should "Thank you" for the laugh. :D

[dk]

LMAO Boost just thanked everyone!

[P_chan]

I LIVE FOR E-THANKS!!!

They validate my exsistance!

Smilies::w00t::scared::cursing:<3:thumbup::D:eek::rolleyes:

[Tempestuous]

LMAO Boost just thanked everyone!

Freaking out of control around here lately.
Wonder what's in the water???

I too was LMAO at him thanking everyone. Tooo punny!
:cool:
Now we are all in the "cool" club.....:barf::barf::barf:

[dk]

Freaking out of control around here lately.
Wonder what's in the water???

I too was LMAO at him thanking everyone. Tooo punny!
:cool:
Now we are all in the "cool" club.....:barf::barf::barf:
I don't know if I would ever put you in the "cool" club. :D

[P_chan]

I didn't know "cool" club even exsisted.

[Muku]

I didn't know "cool" club even exsisted.

Huh:w00t: Aren't you the head of it?:cool:

[P_chan]

really? I never thought I was the "cool" type.

LOL my wife says I'm cool:D

[Fonze]

really? I never thought I was the "cool" type.

LOL my wife says I'm cool:D

Well im sure your wife wouldn't tell you you were a lame.

[DoctorP]

LMAO Boost just thanked everyone!

Man he's a goof!

[DougP]

What a winner this thread is turning out to be :D

[Mad Hatter]

Who do i have to give credits to in order to be in this "cool crowd"?

[TheNoNamedOne]

It's obvious -- Me.