SOFA and Gaijin Torokusho [Archive]

Asshat

11-01-2007, 10:57 AM

11-01-2007, 11:11 AM

Is there a post this is in reference to? I don't recall purposefully being condescending to SOFA individuals, so hopefully this isn't directed at me.

socalheart

11-01-2007, 11:17 AM

:rolleyes: It's ALWAYS about you dk. :p
I think uminchu is just ranting at all of it. Someone pissed in his Coco Puffs. :D I wish I had CoCo Puffs, come to think of it. I think I'll go to the commissary today for some. You know, I can do that, because I'm a SOFA... or pregnant. It's hard to tell which is the sofa and which is me these days. ;)

Asshat

11-01-2007, 11:26 AM

Hey, you all know who you are, and since this is the "Rant" place, this is what I am doing.

I don't have any cocoa puffs, since with my cushy GS job I don't deserve, and my 300000000 yen per day HOUSING ALLOWANCE, I am spoon fed foie gras with golden ohashi! When I am not polluting some newbie gaijin's beloved uchina with my SOFA ass that is. :)

11-01-2007, 11:30 AM

If anything, I'm jealous. You SOFA people get a lot more benefits than I have. It doesn't make you better than me. It just makes me feel retarded for putting up with low standards in a lot of things.

OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand

11-01-2007, 11:33 AM

I think it works both ways. The 80% SOFA foreigners seem to believe they are the 95% majority, and the rest of us are mere surfs on their land. The 20% who are outside of SOFA's reach seem to think that all military personnel are pampered, insulated ingrates here by chance and out to spoil the image of foreigners. In truth, NOVA teachers probably do nearly as much damage.

DocTurtle

11-01-2007, 11:35 AM

interesting rant. Umm...1 cheer for SOFA? :thumbup:

OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand

11-01-2007, 11:35 AM

I am spoon fed foie gras with golden ohashi!
Helluva feat!:eek: "Spoonfed with chopsticks"!!!

]When I am not polluting some newbie gaijin's beloved uchina with my SOFA ass that is. :)
I use a different part of my anatomy to "pollute" the local ladies.:D

Asshat

11-01-2007, 11:42 AM

The 20% who are outside of SOFA's reach seem to think that all military personnel are pampered, insulated ingrates here by chance and out to spoil the image of foreigners. In truth, NOVA teachers probably do nearly as much damage.

I was not refering to anyone in the military. Those folks are ordered here and have no choice...and the pampered part is for another rant later! :thumbup1:

TheNoNamedOne

11-01-2007, 12:39 PM

... I am spoon fed foie gras (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.stopforcefeeding.com/images/pressdemocrat-foie-gras.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.stopforcefeeding.com/page.php%3Fmodule%3Dmedia&h=631&w=682&sz=162&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=C9YdoIqy65d2UM:&tbnh=129&tbnw=139&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfoie%2Bgras%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26 hl%3Den%26sa%3DG) with golden ohashi!

AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHG!

Ammoyankee

11-01-2007, 12:45 PM

I believe he is referring to the soft innuendos that appear in some posts when discussing life on Okinawa and foreigners. I know that I cannot find the posts but I know I have saw things posted like "I pay taxes here and you don't" or " even though you have been here 15 years and I only 10, your time don't count because I live here and your only SOFA" As I stated in a post awhile back, I used to frequent a place where quite a few non-SOFA people hung out and I would always here the same stuff. This coming from used car salesman and junkyard workers of which quite a few were barred from base, real pillars of the community that just happened to have local wives...
I myself have over 14 years on the island spread between three tours starting in 1986. And, I do understand the frustrations and hardships with foreigners that "live" here but that doesn't make me any less important...

Burado

11-01-2007, 01:07 PM

I have seen both sides of the fence between active duty, Gaijin Torokusho holder, GS, and now civilain contractor for a total of around 18 years here. I have two kids who both graduated from Kubasaki and I am glad I got sofa status so they could go to school on base. Without it there is no way I could afford the tuition. Before sofa status I still managed to get by while I hunted for work on base. Sure, the tax was hard to live with but it was my choice to be here. Other than that, i do not see any reason why one is any better than the other.

Ammoyankee

11-01-2007, 01:33 PM

It's like that YPlateHater guy with the website... The first time I drove here he was probably still asking his mom to cross the street and now he's a better driver than me because I am SOFA.

Muku

11-01-2007, 01:47 PM

I've seen a lot of posts and phrases within posts which seem to suggest that those foreigners here without SOFA are somehow superior to those here with SOFA.

Some of us worked our asses off for the SOFA. We are here on a visa linked to "our" employment. Yeah, many of us were "ordered" here.

We are NOT here because we moved here from Deluth, met a Japanese chick, became instant stateko-wearing donnasan Kung Fu warrior and obtained a Gaijin Torokusho.

You get as many cool points for being here because wifey ALLOWS you to as you do for having a hiragana plate.

So piss off, and quit being jealous- I know you'd be on SOFA with a housing allowance if you could too.

I am curious however who this is directed towards. Sure I have seen some posts that have not been too kind towards the military and SOFA status personell, however I have also seen a few comments and posts as well here that come across as if Okinawa is a private fife of the military and the Okinawan people should just put up and shut up about things that the military does here.

I personally have no gripes against any individual people with SOFA status. However I dont like the inference that I or others are here just because of our wives or because my wife "allows" it.

Sure it's a rant, but generalizing the comments about "all" of us isnt fair either.

Ammoyankee

11-01-2007, 01:49 PM

I am curious however who this is directed towards. Sure I have seen some posts that have not been too kind towards the military and SOFA status personell, however I have also seen a few comments and posts as well here that come across as if Okinawa is a private fife of the military and the Okinawan people should just put up and shut up about things that the military does here.

I personally have no gripes against any individual people with SOFA status. However I dont like the inference that I or others are here just because of our wives or because my wife "allows" it.

Sure it's a rant, but generalizing the comments about "all" of us isnt fair either.

Totally agree, point taken!

Bones

11-01-2007, 08:25 PM

As posted by Uminchu:

I've seen a lot of posts and phrases within posts which seem to suggest that those foreigners here without SOFA are somehow superior to those here with SOFA.

Some of us worked our asses off for the SOFA. We are here on a visa linked to "our" employment. Yeah, many of us were "ordered" here.

We are NOT here because we moved here from Deluth, met a Japanese chick, became instant stateko-wearing donnasan Kung Fu warrior and obtained a Gaijin Torokusho.

You get as many cool points for being here because wifey ALLOWS you to as you do for having a hiragana plate.

So piss off, and quit being jealous- I know you'd be on SOFA with a housing allowance if you could too.

His "RANT", is probably directed towards me. If not, then I am as perplexed as the rest of you.

On a personal level, I thought that we had "buried the Hatchet", as it were.

End of Pt.1

DougP

11-01-2007, 08:33 PM

I hope this thread doesn't turn in to a non-SOFA bashing thread.. :D

Muku

11-01-2007, 08:44 PM

I hope this thread doesn't turn in to a non-SOFA bashing thread.. :D

Hell I always thought that I "bashed" equally all sides here.:D

Edited to add;

I missed this one, and would like to ask anyone here that can answer.
Some of us worked our asses off for the SOFA. We are here on a visa linked to "our" employment. Yeah, many of us were "ordered" here.

I have never heard of a SOFA status person actually needing a visa to stay here in the first place. Does not SOFA gives you the right to live here without a visa as long as you have it? Do people with SOFA status, besides anyone in the military itself that is, actually have a separate visa status as well?

If so is what is that status?

Plus I was always under the impression that anyone who actually got SOFA status while living here lost their "whatever" visa when they took the SOFA status.

And if they lost or decided to remove themselves from the SOFA status had to start over from scratch with immigration?!?

DougP

11-01-2007, 08:54 PM

I was SOFA while in the Military here(obviously) but I didn't actually get a passport until about 3 years later.. So I don't know how I could have had a VISA for those first 3 years and not even have a passport.. Who knows though, right? :D

Muku

11-01-2007, 08:58 PM

So I don't know how I could have had a VISA for those first 3 years

Wow you got issued a credit card too!:-| :rolleyes: :D :D

Bones

11-01-2007, 09:05 PM

Start of Pt.2:

I don't have any bad feelings towards anyone, unless you force them on me.

I'm not jealous, in regards to not having SOFA status, and have served three tours of duty over here, as a military member, and five years as a contractor.

I want to be here, because the rest of our Okinawan family is over here. It's that simple. We are set up pretty well on the financial side of the house, so I really don't need to work if I choose not to do so, ever again.

Having been in a position of being able to recruit some solid workers, I tended to shy away from those people who implied that they were "HOT", in relation to the skill set that we needed. As an employer, you tend to look at the people who are actually doing the work, as compared to the people following you around all day long, telling you how great they are.

So if one of my postings caused Uminchu, to feel threatened in any way, good for me.:D

NBTP

socalheart

11-01-2007, 09:24 PM

As far as I know and in my personal experience, once a non-Japanese national attains SOFA status here, any other immigration status held before attaining SOFA status is relinquished. I think that the foreigner has a choice of which immigration status to maintain though.

I do wonder if the immigration status of a Japanese national who marries someone with SOFA status changes. If you know, please tell. I'm just curious. I know at least one of you married a Japanese national while you were under SOFA status. Heh.

OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand

11-01-2007, 09:49 PM

I missed this one, and would like to ask anyone here that can answer.

I have never heard of a SOFA status person actually needing a visa to stay here in the first place. Does not SOFA gives you the right to live here without a visa as long as you have it? Do people with SOFA status, besides anyone in the military itself that is, actually have a separate visa status as well?

If so is what is that status?

Plus I was always under the impression that anyone who actually got SOFA status while living here lost their "whatever" visa when they took the SOFA status.

And if they lost or decided to remove themselves from the SOFA status had to start over from scratch with immigration?!?
Ask, and ye shall receive. (http://www.niraikanai.wwma.net/pages/archive/sofa.html)

socalheart

11-01-2007, 09:52 PM

Ask, and ye shall receive. (http://www.niraikanai.wwma.net/pages/archive/sofa.html)

Geez-louise... :rolleyes: A simple yes or no would've done the job. Anyone who wants to read through that whole friggin' thing, please let me know; yes or no. Thanks.

Muku

11-01-2007, 09:53 PM

Ask, and ye shall receive.

Mmmm....How about $3,000,000.00 cash deposited into my bank account here! :w00t:

OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand

11-01-2007, 09:55 PM

Geez-louise... :rolleyes: A simple yes or no would've done the job. Anyone who wants to read through that whole friggin' thing, please let me know; yes or no. Thanks.
You could just read Section 9 if you're in a hurry...

ARTICLE IX
1. The United States may bring into Japan persons who are members of the United States armed forces the civilian component, and their dependents, subject to the provisions of this Article.
2. Members of the United States armed forces shall be exempt from Japanese passport and visa laws and regulations. Members of the United States armed forces, the civilian component, and their dependents shall be exempt from Japanese laws and regulations on the regis-tration and control of aliens, but shall not be considered as acquiring any right to permanent residence or domicile in the territories of Japan.
3. Upon entry into or departure from Japan members of the United States armed forces shall be in possession of the following documents:

(a) personal identity card showing name, date of birth, rank and number, service, and photograph; and
(b) individual or collective travel order certifying to the status of the individual or group as a member or members of the United States armed forces and to the travel ordered. For purposes of their identification while in Japan, members of the United States armed forces shall be in possession of the foregoing personal identity card which must be presented on request to the appropriate Japanese authorities.
4. Members of the civilian component, their dependents, and the dependents of members of the United States armed forces shall be in possession of appropriate documentation issued by the United States authorities so that their status may be verified by Japanese authorities upon their entry into or departure from Japan, or while in Japan.
5. If the status of any person brought into Japan under paragraph of this Article is altered so that he would no longer be entitled to such admission, the United States authorities shall notify the Japanese authorities and shall, if such person be required by the Japanese authorities to leave Japan, assure that transportation from Japan will be provided within a reasonable time at no cost to the Government of Japan.
6. If the Government of Japan has requested the removal from its territory of a member of the United States armed forces or civilian component or has made an expulsion order against an ox-member of the United States armed forces or the civilian component or against a dependent of a member or ex-member, the authorities of the United States shall be responsible for receiving the person concerned within its own territory or otherwise disposing of him outside Jam. This paragraph shall apply only to persons who are not nationals of Japan and have entered Japan as members of the United States armed forces or civilian component or for the purpose of becoming such members, and to the dependents of such persons.

Muku

11-01-2007, 10:05 PM

So then from reading that anyone here under SOFA status has no need for a visa to live here in Japan. Thank you

So that means.......

Some of us worked our asses off for the SOFA. We are here on a visa linked to "our" employment. Yeah, many of us were "ordered" here.

Was just a part of the rant and not truly related to the overall post I suppose.

If by chance it is meant to mean what it says I would add that there are those here as well that worked their asses off to to get the visa status that they hold, which also has absolutely nothing to do with SOFA status either.

Again it is a rant, but it bugs me a bit that someone who has been here as long as Uminchu has would make generalizations that he did. I was and am surprised.

Something must have truly ticked him off. I hope that by writing what he did here it helped to relieve the stress that he obviously was feeling.

Bones

11-01-2007, 10:05 PM

As posted by socalheart:

I do wonder if the immigration status of a Japanese national who marries someone with SOFA status changes. If you know, please tell. I'm just curious. I know at least one of you married a Japanese national while you were under SOFA status. Heh.

Yes it does, socal. Once the spouse of the Japanese national loses his/her SOFA status, so do their dependents. And it works the same way, the other way around. So, for example, if I had lost my SOFA status, my wife would lose all of her entitlements as well.

NBTP

blacktulip

11-01-2007, 10:06 PM

What does SOFA stands for?

Muku

11-01-2007, 10:15 PM

What does SOFA stands for?

Status of Forces Agreement

Bones

11-01-2007, 10:43 PM

One other thing worthy of mention. If you have SOFA status, and you have committed a crime, and have been convicted of that crime within the country that you happened to be stationed in, it will have an impact on your immigration status being granted, if you had planned on returning to that country at a later date.

If you are not married to a military member, your immigration permit might be harder to obtain. The same applies if you are not married to a local national.

If you plan on living here, if you can not provide adequate evidence that you can provide for yourself financially, for an extended period of time without government assistance, then just stay where you are.

I don't know what caused Uminchu to rant about this thing, but certainly hope that he wakes up in a better mood tomorrow.

NBTP

11-01-2007, 11:15 PM

What does SOFA stands for?
Some organs flap around

Asshat

11-02-2007, 12:30 AM

I could poke around this site and pick out those references I alluded to. As I stated earlier however, you know who you are.

And NTBP, you do not make me feel threatened in any way. Actually, nothing here makes me feel "threatened."

As to my initial comments, they stand, and the rant had nothing to do with my mood. Again, you know who you are. And you sure are not superior to the military person who was sent here by his country, nor are you superior to the long-time resident who was smart enough to get a SOFA job.

DougP

11-02-2007, 01:01 AM

I sure wish we could stop beating around the bush here.. Call the man/woman out uminchu. Stop with the suspense already:D

Fonze

11-02-2007, 01:05 AM

Some organs flap around

That was lame dude.

Fonze

11-02-2007, 01:08 AM

DoctorP

11-02-2007, 01:30 AM

I don't look down on people here with a visa, but I admit that I may be a bit biased when it comes to people who have SOFA and receive LQA. Not all SOFA personell have LQA (living quarters allowance), so they pay rent out of their salaries, and do not live quite as well as those who get it.

I'm not really pissed that you get the allowance, but perhaps ticked that not all people get the allowance. It is not a fair practice IMO. But, I live well, and we are happy, so no problem. But, if I had my way (and a stronger congressman) it would be the same across the board...all people are paid equally. (read equal pay for equal work!)

11-02-2007, 01:59 AM

That was lame dude.
Man, I couldn't resist. Whenever people ask me what an abbreviation means, my smartass tendancies comes out.

Asshat

11-02-2007, 06:07 AM

I'm not really pissed that you get the allowance, but perhaps ticked that not all people get the allowance. It is not a fair practice IMO. But, I live well, and we are happy, so no problem. But, if I had my way (and a stronger congressman) it would be the same across the board...all people are paid equally. (read equal pay for equal work!)

I hear you DP. I did not receive the allowance either, yet worked along side of and did the same job as some who did. The difference in salary and quality of life was huge.

In those terms, I can understand the anomosity. Perhaps I should have labled this thread differently. Because I have read words to the effect that those with Y plates suck, those with SOFA suck, those with LQA suck, etc. etc.

I don't know anything about NBTP and burying the hatchet...didn't catch the thread I guess. I do know plenty of people here who run construction companies...and other buisnesses.

For those of you dying of curiosity or internalizing, don't. It is not hard to see the vein or threads here to understand where I am coming from. I've lived on both sides of the fence. Okinawa means more to me than a wife- or in my case an ex wife. To pretend the bases, the SOFA pampered, the Y plates have no bearing on Okinawa now of future is to not know how to refer to a pack or carton of cigarrettes or beer.

"barru" or "ball."

Muku

11-02-2007, 06:13 AM

Edited to add; It looks like the previous post here was made by Uminchu while I was in the process of writing mine......

As I stated earlier however, you know who you are.

You know whatever, the "You know who you are phrase" :rolleyes: is a cop out, it's a chickenshit way of coming here making a rant about one thing or another and then leaving without answering or addressing questions and comments made towards you. Plus to assume that "You actually knows who they are":eek: is an assumption upon your part.

And you sure are not superior to the military person who was sent here by his country, nor are you superior to the long-time resident who was smart enough to get a SOFA job.
btw There are many ways to look at this response here but I will say this, not all non SOFA status members living here on island want or desire to work on base with out without SOFA. Some might say it was dumb to go and work on base with SOFA, others may agree with you, I dont know.

I for one would appreciate it greatly if you would stop making assumptions and generalizations about people that are living here, for one reason or another.

To be honest with you I never figured that you would be one to make assumptions and generizations about any person or group of people about any issue. Until now I have never read you that way. You pretty much always came across straight shooting, not hiding behind some cover.

and the rant had nothing to do with my mood
Really, then why the rant?

Asshat

11-02-2007, 07:32 AM

Muku- if you have misjudged my character so much, then perhaps you are not giving me the benefit of the doubt.

For me to mention the specific incident which point me over the edge with this one would be to break one of the rules of the board here.

So try this on for size: Someone say's they'd do anything to get a job on base, then turns around somewhere else and goes on about how evil the bases are.

That's what I saw. And no, it wasn't all "here." Popular culture and "aint I all cool and shit" in front of the wanna-be locals, then "oooh please, I will do anything to get back to the home of my wife."

Chicken shit is the last thing I am....right behind intimidated. Hypocracy pisses me off. Where is the puke icon?

I will not discuss the individual or how I know this, so don't ask....unless someone changes the rules here.

OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand

11-02-2007, 09:16 AM

I've posted about interest in base work, and also criticized the military, including bases here. I don't think that makes me a hypocrite, but YMMV. I generally like the job I'm in, but I can find plenty to critcize and complain about. I can argue both sides of many issues. There are points to be made for many sides of any issue. Sometimes playing devil's advocate is just for fun, sometimes an interesting logical exercise, and sometimes serious. Caveat lector.

Go-Shay

11-02-2007, 10:05 AM

I have lived here as a military member, civilian with SOFA and as a visa holder. I personally choose the later of the three for various reasons. I don't think that just because someone might hold a GS position it makes them better than anyone else as I have seen several of them that are completely incompetant at their job. I think it boils down to people that feel the need to hide behind "rank" and if you are a civilian than your time on island can be worn as a rank in some peoples mind. What I can say with certainty is that even though I have been on Okinawa continuously since 1991 I still learn new things about it everyday, and really enjoy living here.

themadscientist

11-02-2007, 10:20 AM

I think there is a definate superior attitude from people who are on a visa over SOFA civilians who also make Japan home. I don't let it tweak me, it's immature and stupid. When I think of home, my home, it's Japan. I will do my time on base until I can establish myself outside the fence. Everyone has to do what they can to survive.

Muku

11-02-2007, 11:13 AM

[/QUOTE]

First off thanks for the reply.

For me to mention the specific incident which point me over the edge with this one would be to break one of the rules of the board here.

Fair enough....

Muku- if you have misjudged my character so much, then perhaps you are not giving me the benefit of the doubt.
Let me apologize to you then, I guess I misread you or misunderstood your rant and who it was directed towards.

Chicken shit is the last thing I am....right behind intimidated. Hypocracy pisses me off. Where is the puke icon?

I would have hoped you wouldnt have read me as trying or insinuating that I wanted to intimidate you, that wasnt the point I was trying to make, my point is about the generalizations that you made in your posts.

I can not recall you ever doing something like that before, particularly in the manner that have done here in this thread. However "giving the benefit of the doubt here"....:) I have and hopefully will continue to respect your opinions and thoughts that you share here.

So try this on for size: Someone say's they'd do anything to get a job on base, then turns around somewhere else and goes on about how evil the bases are.

That's what I saw. And no, it wasn't all "here." Popular culture and "aint I all cool and shit" in front of the wanna-be locals, then "oooh please, I will do anything to get back to the home of my wife."

I guess I missed that thread.

11-02-2007, 11:18 AM

I'm still confused.

Asshat

11-02-2007, 11:56 AM

I still love everyone though. :) It was a rant. I didn't break the rules, and I am over it.

Can we kiss and make up now?

P_chan

11-02-2007, 12:08 PM

I'm not kissing you.

Asshat

11-02-2007, 12:45 PM

I'm not kissing you.

Because I smell like wet dog? I can change.

Muku

11-02-2007, 12:49 PM

I still love everyone though. :) It was a rant. I didn't break the rules, and I am over it.

Can we kiss and make up now?

:thumbup::thumbup:<3:eek:

themadscientist

11-02-2007, 01:10 PM

gettin kind of gay in here, anybody want to talk baseball or something? :ohmy:

Fonze

11-02-2007, 01:16 PM

gettin kind of gay in here, anybody want to talk baseball or something? :ohmy:

Baseball is just as gay i mean men playing with long hard wood and playing with balls, a group of men playing slap ass:rolleyes:jk

themadscientist

11-02-2007, 01:26 PM

Yeah, what is with all that slapping on the but stuff? Hey, good play, let me fondle your ass. :(

P_chan

11-02-2007, 01:54 PM

Oh you'd change for me uminchu<3

yeah the ass pat is defiantly gay

Bones

11-02-2007, 07:26 PM

As posted by Uminchu:

And NTBP, you do not make me feel threatened in any way. Actually, nothing here makes me feel "threatened."

Well, I'm going to have to work on that.:cursing: j/k :D

I don't even know why you would post such a thing. It's NBTP, btw.

If anybody out there can point to one of my posts, where I threatened you, it would be much appreciated.

NBTP

Muku

11-02-2007, 07:37 PM

gettin kind of gay in here, anybody want to talk baseball or something? :ohmy:
What about football since the MLB season is over:rolleyes:

ja_Patriot

11-02-2007, 08:39 PM

I was out all day, and I see this. What the hell was this about?

I thought for a moment Noodles came back with better English.

Yeah, football. The New Jersey Giants are over-achieving. Good news or bad news for Dallas.

I guess this should go on another thread.

Muku

11-02-2007, 08:41 PM

I thought for a moment Noodles came back with better English.

Now I just have to ask.....who played the "part" of noodles?

Bones

11-02-2007, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by "ja10340":

Now I just have to ask.....who played the "part" of noodles?

Who knows?

It wasn't me. And while I used to post as "Habu", a long time ago, these days I go by NBTP (No Bones To Pick). When I typed in my user name, it worked fine, but I guess that I had used one more letter than was available. So instead of "Pick", everyone sees "Pic".

I have no idea who "noodles" is, nor do I care. But, it's not me.

If anyone out there has any complaints about what I've written within the "New Forums", or even in the "Old Forums", let "Me" know. Don't try to be politically correct, just say what's on your mind.

But if you do post something, at least have the courage to address the comment that you disagree with, to the person who has managed to tick you off.

If you can't do that, then maybe you shouldn't even be able to post in the first place. And that's directed to everybody who posts in the "New Forums".

NBTP

11-02-2007, 10:08 PM

The new forums aren't so new anymore. They'll be six months old in 29 days. :D

Man, the time flies...

Bones

11-02-2007, 10:31 PM

Yeah,dk, you don't need to tell me about how time flies. :D

Thinking about doing a road-trip tomorrow. Two months, and the only places that we've spent a lot of time at are the BX, or the furniture store at Foster.

I jest, but I feel like seeing the rest of the island for a change. The phone rings again, so maybe that won't happen. But Sunday, I'm hitting the road. :thumbup1:

NBTP

ja_Patriot

11-02-2007, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by "ja10340":

Who knows?

It wasn't me. And while I used to post as "Habu", a long time ago, these days I go by NBTP (No Bones To Pick). When I typed in my user name, it worked fine, but I guess that I had used one more letter than was available. So instead of "Pick", everyone sees "Pic".

I have no idea who "noodles" is, nor do I care. But, it's not me.

If anyone out there has any complaints about what I've written within the "New Forums", or even in the "Old Forums", let "Me" know. Don't try to be politically correct, just say what's on your mind.

But if you do post something, at least have the courage to address the comment that you disagree with, to the person who has managed to tick you off.

If you can't do that, then maybe you shouldn't even be able to post in the first place. And that's directed to everybody who posts in the "New Forums".

NBTP

Now I'm really confused. First of all, you're replying to a comment by Muku.

Secondly I was refering to Uminchu in reference to Noodles' last rant. If you don't know who Noodles was, buzz off.

Thirdly,
"...If you can't do that, then maybe you shouldn't even be able to post in the first place. And that's directed to everybody who posts in the "New Forums"...."

WTF and who are you referring to? Me?

Fonze

11-02-2007, 10:40 PM

This thread is all ****** up.

Bones

11-02-2007, 10:46 PM

ja_Patriot

11-02-2007, 10:53 PM

Relax guys,

I'm referring to everybody. Not picking on anybody out there.

Just saying that if you have a rant, or if somebody ticks you off, at least point your messages at the person who offended you.

NBTP

We're relaxed. You're the one who now seems to be bent out of shape for some reason, as Uminchu seems to have ranted out and calmed down.

Reading through the posts, I don't think Uminchu or anyone was referring to you in the first place.

Take it easy.

Asshat

11-03-2007, 04:27 AM

Reading through the posts, I don't think Uminchu or anyone was referring to you in the first place.

Yep. And I explained why I didn't mention who I was refering to. Soon after making my last post, I got another phone call. I never have so many friends until a job opening comes up.

And piss off for comparing me to Noodles! haha! My kids are all grown and I don't have ethnic preferences in people.:old:

ja_Patriot

11-03-2007, 08:51 AM

Uminchu,

"...I was refering to Uminchu in reference to Noodles' last rant..."-JA

No offense meant to you.

Not comparing Noodles to you. Just her rant to your rant, but then her rant was out of this world.

But then, if you can't even post the person's name, then it probably wasn't that important after all. The best revenge is to chew him out the next time he comes your way for help.

Take it easy and have a nice weekend.

BTW, welcome to the club of guys with kids all grown up and independent!:old:

Asshat

11-03-2007, 09:34 AM

But then, if you can't even post the person's name, then it probably wasn't that important after all.

It's against the rules...and besides that was the tipping point, and merely part of my rant. Fork it. Wasn't important...pissed me off. Post one place begging for SOFA jobs....post another about how bad the bases are on Okinawa. Yeah. I'd hire that person...not. When the first question I get is "Do you offer SOFA?" I am not hiring the person.

Oh..yeah, Noodles wakata....

Muku

11-03-2007, 09:44 AM

It's against the rules...and besides that was the tipping point, and merely part of my rant. Fork it. Wasn't important...pissed me off. Post one place begging for SOFA jobs....post another about how bad the bases are on Okinawa. Yeah. I'd hire that person...not. When the first question I get is "Do you offer SOFA?" I am not hiring the person.

Oh..yeah, Noodles wakata....
You know I think now I know where I got screwed up on this thread, at least I hope......

Correct me if I am wrong here Uminchu, but when you wrote you can't post a name did you mean their actual "name"? Is that what you were refering to when you said it was against the rules here?

Otherwise there is no rule here that says you can't post a person's handle here when making a post.