post-modern privacy rights

[Isaak Brodsky]

What on earth is going on in the United States?

The confluence of tracking technology, rabid marketers, and greedy consumer corporations concerned ONLY about the bottom line really appear to be turning our culture into a 1984-ish reality??

YouTube - RFID: Tracking Everything Part 1


Just wondering what you think about this new technology and its use in our daily lives.

[Asshat]

Don't forget the Patriot Act.

[Fonze]

I don't mind the technology but the continuos monitoring is what bother me and the databases. I don't mind the Patriot act type of privacy issues though. Remember we have the right to bear arms so if or when this shit goes wrong we can take it to these people.

[Tempestuous]

Yeah, but if your gun has one of those little chips and a reader reads that you were in the area.....you gets caught. :)

This was covered lightly in the news here a few yrs ago. Crazy to think about.
I still swear by the fact that you military guinea pigs are the first humans that were microchiped with these little buggers.
Your every move has been recorded in some database.


I have been sayin this for 10 yrs or more

[kombu_kid]

Oh yeah, the gov't just loves to slap those ankle bracelet tracking devices on parolees, people under house arrest, and put the chips in your animals (which, OK, is good) because it's like baby steps toward making it mandatory on all children maybe like in the next 10 years or less. Maybe not, but I've got a sneaking suspicion they'll try to. Then, in addition to cameras on street corners, they will be sensors too. It just seems like the natural progression of things.

Gimme a fishing pole and stick me on a remote island somewhere.

[Isaak Brodsky]

I don't mind the technology but the continuos monitoring is what bother me and the databases.

Fonze, if you're really interested in pursuing the issue of technology's encroachment on your civil liberties and the problem that databanks create, check out A. Westin's book "Databanks in a Free Society."

Other books like it have come along too, but his kind of sets up the basic framework for how we look at privacy today.

Although it was written in 1972, Westin's research seems prophetic. The stuff we can do today to track citizens is utterly amazing - and frightful.

[Bones]

Posted by Ian Body:

Although it was written in 1972, Westin's research seems prophetic. The stuff we can do today to track citizens is utterly amazing - and frightful.

I can see where this thing might troublesome to some people, but I can also look at the positive side of the house.

Imagine, someone accuses you of a crime. It doesn't really matter what kind of crime. Let's say, someone accuses you of speeding. If you a chip implanted, the data from that chip might just prove your innocence. Or it could convict you, depending on what your intentions were.

It could save your life if you went for a walk, and you became ill. Responders would search for your chip, dependent on the information provided by your spouse, if you failed to come home on time.

I find this kind of thread to be a wake-up call, to what may be ahead in our future. But only for those people, who are stupid enough not to understand that you've been tracked all along.

NBTP

[DougP]

Who ever is in charge of watching me is going to want to shoot themselves after a few shifts... "Oh look he's still posting on JU... Oh wait hold on a minute.. nope he's surfing porn.. wait wait.. nope nothing special he's back on ZY again..." <gun shot> <limp body falls off chair>
:D

[DoctorP]

This is coming no matter what. It is only a matter of time before people are willing to have a chip implanted which will contain their financial information. This will eliminate the need to carry wallets. I can see personal info as well as financial info embedded in your forearm which will be a huge asset.

Also, think of hikers who become lost...simple GPS check and wham! There they are, go pick 'em up!

[Tempestuous]

May have some good sounding features.....
what about the fact they can place these is stores that auto scan you as you come in and they compile a database and they can look up at anytime where you have been. (could be useful to track criminal suspects, access the database and see if there were any hits to verify stories)

Yea, there is some means of monitoring that takes place everyday anyways, but this just seems much more invasive. Every move, every purchase, just kinda creepy.

What about crooks that get the readers or create their own that they then use to scan you without your knowledge and off they go to use your personal information for themselves. Think internet is bad for finical fraud, imagine the mess that could create.

[TheNoNamedOne]

The Orwellian future bothers me.

btw, is the woman in that video an android? Creeepy.

Am I the only who noticed?

[Bones]

As posted by Temp:

What about crooks that get the readers or create their own that they then use to scan you without your knowledge and off they go to use your personal information for themselves. Think internet is bad for finical fraud, imagine the mess that could create.

Hey Temp, hope that you, and your Hubby, are doing well on your side of the world. Excellent post BTW, and I agree with you completely.

My point, as it relates to the thread, if so many people are so concerned about being tracked, why do they use computers? Why do they use cell phones? Why do they use a GPS system in their cars? Why, do they use the plastic cards to pay at the register, instead of using cash?

People were being tracked by the Government all along anyhow. Your Social Security number, change of address cards, monthly bills for utilities, phone bills.

It's a sad fact that majority of the people out there, who are using all of the new technology to make their lives so much easier, are not taking enough adequate care to use them responsibly. Most people don't throw their bills in a shredder, or even tear them up, before they discard them in the trash.

Talk to the average computer user, and ask them if they use a router, Anti- Virus/ Anti Spy-ware program, on their system. If someone gets an e-mail from their bank, or service provider, how many people take the time to contact their bank, or whomever, to find out if it's a real message or a Phishing attempt?

The bad guys, are getting better at gathering the information that they need, to steal your identity as well. So you certainly will need to be aware of how they are getting the info, that enables them to steal your identity in the first place.

Most people won't, they don't care. It's much easier to blame technology, as opposed to their stupidity.

NBTP

[okiprince07]

technology is fine and our economy is stable..what else do we need?

[Tanimaga]

Soon they will probably make it so we cant express feelings or say whats on our minds............................................. Hey wait a minute:ohmy:

Have you seen H.R. 1955 ? The thought crime bill? It tackles exactly that. Any person(s) preaching against or wanting to change the status quo can be charged with terrorism. I thought this is what our constitution gave the people...freedom to change and to speak out. Guess not.




http://www.timegoesby.net/weblog/2007/11/thought-crime-b.html

[Bones]

As posted by Tanimaga:

Have you seen H.R. 1955 ? The thought crime bill? It tackles exactly that. Any person(s) preaching against or wanting to change the status quo can be charged with terrorism. I thought this is what our constitution gave the people...freedom to change and to speak out. Guess not.

Having read the bill, I see nothing that prevents you from exercising your freedom of speech.

It does seem to place some limitations on those people, who are geared towards violence, to achieve those aims.

This is where all of those kind of people lose their credibility,IMHO.

1. They complain about wanting a natural environment.

2. They want to revert back to the days, when "Leave It To Beaver", was the way that we looked at ourselves as a "Society".

3. People want to be well fed, enjoy all of the luxurious lifestyles that they are currently experiencing, yet rail against the very mechanisms set in place to make that happen.

4. Don't feel bad about buying that big truck/car, blame someone else when the price of Gasoline goes up. After all....

And we really need to pass a law, that prevents me from writing a check to our favorite charity. Those people are only starving, and I really do need that new keyboard.

NBTP

[Tanimaga]

`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

I do believe the founding fathers of the US, who are much glorified on AFN would fall under this bill.
I just think this is a broad bill that could be abused easily.

`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens

More internet monitoring will be occuring. Terrorist-related could mean many things in the eyes of others.. could 9/11 conspiracy theorists fall under "terrorist-related propaganda"?

[Isaak Brodsky]

The Orwellian future bothers me.

btw, is the woman in that video an android? Creeepy.

Am I the only who noticed?

Just some Harvard PhD who runs the following website: http://www.spychips.com/