Interesting question...

[DocTurtle]

I'm sure that I'll get a good bit of feed back on this and I also believe that there will be plenty of off topic posts, but I'm still intrested to see what this community thinks about this.

When I was in Afghanistan we had a think called, "Man Love Tuesday"...might have been Thursday...but either way. On that day the Aghan men would go around and have sex with the boys. Now if it was consentual or not I'm not sure, hence why I didn't say rape. Some believed yes other no. Anywho, we would get little kids on a regular basis that would come to the clinic and have to get stitches put in cause they had "ripped" basically. Now, from what I have come to understand of the culture, the men are for pleasure and the women are for procreation. Such is this that the women often get clitectomy's (removal of the clitorus). Once the boys become men, they most often follow in the same fashion.

Now, here is where the interesting part comes in. By now I'm sure most if not all of you are grossed out or outraged at the fact this happens. I'm sure you're ready to blow the whistle on this and take up arms, but this is the way they have been doing it for who know's how long. This is their culture. Can we say that they are wrong? They Jews don't eat food that isn't kosher, are they wrong? If you are brought up in a society where something is accepted and that you don't even blink at and someone else finds the act completely and utterly wrong, what would you do? Use of electricity is not allowed by Amish, should we be persacuted (where are you when I need you spell check) by them?

[Tempestuous]

There are tribes in Africa ( I believe it is) that does this as well.
Boys are 100% homosexual until they get married at which time they have intercourse with their wife for the purpose of procreation.

They believe that the sperm makes them more "manly", it is possible the Afghani's believe along the same lines??

[themadscientist]

it's not the homosexual aspect of it that concerns me it's the age of the catchers. That isn't right. If your method routinely results in injury you are probably doing it wrong or you are John Holmes. If the men we tagging each other that would be one thing but leave the youngsters alone.

[DocTurtle]

There are tribes in Africa ( I believe it is) that does this as well.
Boys are 100% homosexual until they get married at which time they have intercourse with their wife for the purpose of procreation.

They believe that the sperm makes them more "manly", it is possible the Afghani's believe along the same lines??

I honestly don't know? It's a very interesting idea though? Might go do some research on that.

[Asshat]

What would any member of a civilized society say about this? Any time another human is harmed, it is WRONG. This includes physical pain, or human dignity.

A recent article I read about the mutilation of female genitalia said the men of the particular tribe really did not know what was going on. Circumsizing the clitoris was "women's buisness."

When one of the reports took a video of the proceedure and showed it to the elders, they were dumbstruck and immediately outlawed it.

[Tempestuous]

A recent article I read about the mutilation of female genitalia said the men of the particular tribe really did not know what was going on. Circumsizing the clitoris was "women's buisness."

When one of the reports took a video of the proceedure and showed it to the elders, they were dumbstruck and immediately outlawed it.

Interesting that they did not know, being it has been taking place for such a long duration of time. Just something that continued to take place because it always had. Not because anyone really knew anything about it?
hmmmm, interesting.
Glad they stood up against it once it was brought to light.

As for the OP.....I thought homosexuality was something not authorized by their primary religion in the area.

[DocTurtle]

As for the OP.....I thought homosexuality was something not authorized by their primary religion in the area.

As did I, but I don't think it's something that people would openly admit as well as to keep it on the d/l. Kind of like the militaries "don't ask don't tell" policy.

[Tempestuous]

So I looked it up and found that the areas controlled by the taliban (the south) it is strictly prohibited to practice such activities, though I am sure it still takes place, just covertly.

It appears the practice is against the law in Islam, though the law is often, not enforced.

From what I read it appears they do it because they can take boys to parties and out and about where as they can't take their wives.

[socalheart]

Can we say that they are wrong? If you are brought up in a society where something is accepted and that you don't even blink at and someone else finds the act completely and utterly wrong, what would you do?

We can say that they are wrong all we want, but it doesn't make us right. In this particular case, I think it's sad and wrong to subject children to such a thing. I do understand being raised in a culture that finds it acceptable though. There are a lot of things that "civilized" cultures, such as American, find acceptable that other "civilized" cultures find unacceptable. The phrase "when in Rome" is a widely accepted guideline in cultural adaptation, but not necessarily understanding.

[Jrocka83]

Post Op Transexuals, cut there junk off all together.. Is that wrong?

[Tempestuous]

From what I read most of the children involved are poor or homeless children. Some are the providers for their families.
They get decent money and depending on the men they entertain, clothing and other extras.

Sounds similar to the stories we hear coming from 'working girls' in America & Japan.
What is sad is that these are YOUNG children (preferably age 14 but up to age 18).
These are not grown individuals making the decision for themselves.
Very, very sad. Add to it stories like the need for stitches in the OP and it really makes me sick to my stomach.

[P_chan]

I've never seen it myself but I've heard if it from people returning from there. One of my buddies even had an afgan guy offer him his little boy slave for the night.

[Hollarey]

I just answered this same question in my Anthropology class. We were discussing Ethnocintrism and Cultural Relativism and one of my discussion questions was,"what are the limits of cultural relativism when cases like suicide bombers, female circumcision, ethnic cleansing or killing of infants for population control or for sex selection come about?" An Anthropologist has to put aside there own thoughts to do there job.

[Fonze]

I had 2 cousins that went to Iraq and Afganistan and about 10 friends that also have benn and said they saw this disturbing shit. For some macho ass men this is very not macho but they are Gay. They might want to call it something else but thats what they are in the end.

[DougP]

but thats what they are in the end.

:w00t::first: buwahahahahaha LMAO sorry but I found this last part so freakin funny:D

[themadscientist]

reason 101 not to go there.

[P_chan]

I think Afgan men see women for making babies, and boys for pleasure.

[Fonze]

Not just Afgan men but Muslim men(not all but some).

[DocTurtle]

:eek:
are there no women in Afghanistan!?

Lol, yes, there are. They all have to wear the burka's (sp?)

I think Afgan men see women for making babies, and boys for pleasure.

You are correct sir! :first:

[themadscientist]

that's ridiculous. How can somebody get off taking some little boy's ass. Yeah but America is the great satan; why cuz we like chicks?

[Asshat]

Not just Afgan men but Muslim men(not all but some).

Oh hell no. You are confusing religion with traditional values. Did you mean to say Arab? Poke some boy butt in Iran and you will be executed. (Iranians ae not Arabs) I did not see a plethora of butt poking in Indonesia or Malaysia either.

What about the rest of the 'stans? Is butt darts with boys popular there? I don't know. I do know it's not a Moslim thing.

[Tempestuous]

Yup, from what I have read- It is strictly against the Muslim belief system. As he said- hung, stoned,buried alive or otherwise promptly killed is the verdict for any homosexual acts if they find out about it.

That was why I was originally surprised by the OP. Knowing they have a heavy Muslim belief system in that area of the world, I thought it would be a heavy punishment over there.
(there I go living in my own little world of optimism illusion again :))

[drinkandrun]

[QUOTE=uminchu;27393]Oh hell no. You are confusing religion with traditional values. Did you mean to say Arab? Poke some boy butt in Iran and you will be executed. QUOTE]
Here's something you all need to bend your mind around; in their culture (yes even in Iran) you are only gay if your the receiver/choose to receive. If you're the giver, you are just as macho and hetero as Duff Man and there's nothing culturally wrong with man love, thus they get around the Muslim/Islamic restrictions. This was confirmed in conversation by guys I talked to that were from Egypt, Iraq, and Uganda, who were offended at the thought that they were gay. It's a pack mentality and receivers are shared by more than on giver, keeping the relative number of "homos" low and providing convenient targets for execution when they need to show a bit of Islamic fire and brimstone. This "tradition" takes place all over the middle east and throughout Africa, which is why it's so hard to contain the AIDS problem when you talk about condoms as birth control, as programs do to receive US aid. So basically it depends on what the definition of is, is as to whether or not you are gay :ohmy:
Your man love day was most likely Thursday in accordance with the Arab weekend, but I've heard both Tuesday and Thursday from other guys.
Oh, Doc you can download iSpell and SP check all of your posts with one click.:thumbup1:

[DocTurtle]

Oh hell no. You are confusing religion with traditional values. Did you mean to say Arab? Poke some boy butt in Iran and you will be executed.
Here's something you all need to bend your mind around; in their culture (yes even in Iran) you are only gay if your the receiver/choose to receive. If you're the giver, you are just as macho and hetero as Duff Man and there's nothing culturally wrong with man love, thus they get around the Muslim/Islamic restrictions. This was confirmed in conversation by guys I talked to that were from Egypt, Iraq, and Uganda, who were offended at the thought that they were gay. It's a pack mentality and receivers are shared by more than on giver, keeping the relative number of "homos" low and providing convenient targets for execution when they need to show a bit of Islamic fire and brimstone. This "tradition" takes place all over the middle east and throughout Africa, which is why it's so hard to contain the AIDS problem when you talk about condoms as birth control, as programs do to receive US aid. So basically it depends on what the definition of is, is as to whether or not you are gay :ohmy:
Your man love day was most likely Thursday in accordance with the Arab weekend, but I've heard both Tuesday and Thursday from other guys.
Oh, Doc you can download iSpell and SP check all of your posts with one click.:thumbup1:

Thanks for the back up info. I thought it was Thursday, but I just couldn't remember.

Drinking under age is illegal in the US, but you still have kids do it? Just cause they aren't suppose to do it doesn't mean it does not happen. So if you honestly believe it doesn't happen over there uminchu, then I would advise you to ask around. I'm pretty sure anyone who has been over there can tell you it happens.

Thanks for the iSpell thing too, but I can't d/l stuff at work and I don't need it at home since I have firefox :P Thanks though :)

[Fonze]

Oh hell no. You are confusing religion with traditional values. Did you mean to say Arab? Poke some boy butt in Iran and you will be executed. (Iranians ae not Arabs) I did not see a plethora of butt poking in Indonesia or Malaysia either.

What about the rest of the 'stans? Is butt darts with boys popular there? I don't know. I do know it's not a Moslim thing.

Oh hell yes if muslim men do it then i will say it, but to make you feel better it's men period from tip to tip of the world that pull this shit. Just cause you didn't see it in malaysia and indonesia does not mean they also don't practice these type of homosexual activities.(I throw and not recieve so im not gay).

[Asshat]

Oh hell yes if muslim men do it then i will say it, but to make you feel better it's men period from tip to tip of the world that pull this shit. Just cause you didn't see it in malaysia and indonesia does not mean they also don't practice these type of homosexual activities.(I throw and not recieve so im not gay).

So it's a Moslem thing, not an Arab thing? That was my issue with your comment there Fonze. I am not aware that men all over the world abuse boys either.

[Fonze]

So it's a Moslem thing, not an Arab thing? That was my issue with your comment there Fonze. I am not aware that men all over the world abuse boys either.

Muslim, christian, jewish, arab, white, black, brown, purple and sick twisted men. Are you serious that you are not aware of men all over the world doing this?:rolleyes:

[Tanimaga]

This practice has been in the civilization for a very long time..Greeks practiced similiar things. Anyone old enough to remember the old term "greek" as it applies to sex? Men practiced homosexual activity, and it was promoted by their military. Men would tend to fight harder to save their lovers, than their friends.
In the movie "300", a over-the-top movie to be sure, but a quote was said about Athenians being "boy lovers".
Young men were for pleasure, women for procreation. Women were more of an attachment and distraction.

[Asshat]

Muslim, christian, jewish, arab, white, black, brown, purple and sick twisted men. Are you serious that you are not aware of men all over the world doing this?:rolleyes:

So men all over the world have man night out and rape boys once a week or once a month? No, I was not aware of that. Not on the cultural level that was described by turtle as the topic.

[Asshat]

This practice has been in the civilization for a very long time.

Then. Yes. I had no idea most of the world was still involved with this. I do make a distinction between raping boys and consensual sex. I can also fathom the mentaility that abhors homosexuality while playing butt darts. I knew this existed in some cultures today, but (as I have said thrice now) I had no idea it was a MOSLEM thing. That was how the thread started.

[Tanimaga]

I have heard this occurs in many countries around the world..believe it's more of a human male thing than a Muslim thing.

[Fonze]

anyways yes I too have heard MUSLIM men doing this stuff and if it's a cultural thing so be it, but disturbing. uminchu maybe men don't do this on a specific day but some men do rape litlle boys, so don't be naive and don't try and put words in my mouth.

[DocTurtle]

Then. Yes. I had no idea most of the world was still involved with this. I do make a distinction between raping boys and consensual sex. I can also fathom the mentaility that abhors homosexuality while playing butt darts. I knew this existed in some cultures today, but (as I have said thrice now) I had no idea it was a MOSLEM thing. That was how the thread started.

And thirce now people have stated it is...actually I Fonze's was 4?

[Fonze]

I know what you mean docturtle but it seems some are getting "butt hurt" for you bashing or bringing this up about muslim men.

I'm sure these people didn't defend the whole catholic church when a small percentage of priest molested or whatever digusting shit they did to boys but condemned the whole church.

[happily_married_1206]

I think its wrong... i dont think any man has any right what so ever to touch a child... its disgusting...if you want to screw a man... do just that...NOT A BOY! that pisses me off more than anything the fact that its children that have to endure such pain for someone elses pleasure. if thats the way their culture is fine...but i am so glad that i grew up on American Soil where it was illegal to do something like that, on top of it, i would object to the fact that im being used as a pleasure object, when im not the one getting the pleasure out of it...sex is a mutual thing, and thats why i dont understand the whole anal thing, but hey if it floats your boat go for it, just leave the lil tikes alone!

[Asshat]

I know what you mean docturtle but it seems some are getting "butt hurt" for you bashing or bringing this up about muslim men.

I'm sure these people didn't defend the whole catholic church when a small percentage of priest molested or whatever digusting shit they did to boys but condemned the whole church.

Fonze, I don't know if it is your lack of life experiences or what that causes you to continually infer what people say.

To clarify: I did not see Turtle's post as "bashing" Moslim men. I saw his post as an indictment against the behavior of men in Afghanistan.

"You" posted that this was a Moslim thing. When I asked for clarification, you simply attempted to berate me with your "rolling eyes" icon as if I didn't know homosexuality exists.

I am quite positive that had Turtle posted he was stitching the asses of alter boys up, my reaction would have been the same. Would your reaction have been to say it's a Catholic thing?

Butt hurt? No one in this cyber shithole has the juice to get me butt hurt.

[Fonze]

Are these not muslim men? You no what it seems like you did get butt hurt cause you take offense but say what you will. Muslim men do this shit.

[DocTurtle]

To clarify: I did not see Turtle's post as "bashing" Moslim men. I saw his post as an indictment against the behavior of men in Afghanistan.

Not so much as an indictment, but more so of an eye opener? More so the fact of who are we to say that they are wrong for something they believe to be right? American was founded in 1776 as a whole. The modern state of Afghanistan was founded in 1747, and that's only the "modern" state since the area that Afghan is located is said to be inhabited to nearly 50,000 years ago. Thank you wipipedia :D

Most American's will tell you that the practice is wrong and show be stopped, yet there are places all over the world that have been practicing this type of behavior long before American was even founded. How can we say they are wrong if it is something they have been doing for centries longer than we have even known about it.

In some countries you get your hand cut off if you are caught stealing even a loaf of bread. Should we "tisk-tisk" them since it is something we do not do and find outrageous for something that can seem so petty? That's more so of the converstaion I was looking to start, not a "I think it's wrong, who else does?" thread.

By the way, why do you spell Muslim with an "O"?

[DocTurtle]

I think its wrong... i dont think any man has any right what so ever to touch a child... its disgusting...if you want to screw a man... do just that...NOT A BOY! that pisses me off more than anything the fact that its children that have to endure such pain for someone elses pleasure. if thats the way their culture is fine...but i am so glad that i grew up on American Soil where it was illegal to do something like that, on top of it, i would object to the fact that im being used as a pleasure object, when im not the one getting the pleasure out of it...sex is a mutual thing, and thats why i dont understand the whole anal thing, but hey if it floats your boat go for it, just leave the lil tikes alone!

Jews refuse to eat pork becaues it is a dirty animal, yet would you still eat it dispite their belief?

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the fact they have sex with boys either, I'm just try to being out some points here and play devil's advocate.
Oh, and some people actually prefer anal sex. There are nerve endings there too. So it can be mutual. You could always Google it :p

[Fonze]

Well put Docturtle. I don't like it but i wouldn't impose my beliefs on them. If they do they do, but nowhere in the world today do i see anyone or hear about anyone but muslims practicing this.

[Tanimaga]

I say we all oil up and go roman-greco at Jon Jons..juice indeed ! :first:

[Fonze]

I say we all oil up and go roman-greco at Jon Jons..juice indeed ! :first:

No thank you:thumbdown::barf::barf:

[DocTurtle]

I say we all oil up and go roman-greco at Jon Jons..juice indeed ! :first:

Think they'll give a corner at Jon Jon's?? lol

[Tanimaga]

You going to pass up a 6' 265lb hairy, tattoo'd guy in oil?? Suit yourself. :crying:

[Fonze]

You going to pass up a 6' 265lb hairy, tattoo'd guy in oil?? Suit yourself. :crying:

oh in thata case hey hey hey hey.

[Asshat]

Well this thread makes me happy I made it all the way from young boy to crotchety old bastard without having to play butt darts.

As I was contemplating this, it occured to me (okay I am slow today) that the men who are abusing the boys are simply doing what they were taught was right and proper. I know it is obvious, but the fall out is mind boggling.

These are the people we are suppoed to be introducing to democracy? Maybe we should start by introducing...I don't know...something more basic?

[DocTurtle]

As I was contemplating this, it occured to me (okay I am slow today) that the men who are abusing the boys are simply doing what they were taught was right and proper. I know it is obvious, but the fall out is mind boggling.

Lol, that was in the OP :rolleyes: lol. I'm glad that it came to light though. Who know's maybe they will put it to a vote next time?

[P_chan]

In the movie "300", a over-the-top movie to be sure, but a quote was said about Athenians being "boy lovers".
Young men were for pleasure, women for procreation. Women were more of an attachment and distraction.
Actually, funny thing you mention that. Spartans liked to poke boys in the butt too, just as much as Athenians. Matter of fact, I think it was part of their spartan training too.

[Asshat]

Lol, that was in the OP :rolleyes: lol. I'm glad that it came to light though. Who know's maybe they will put it to a vote next time?

Yep, I went back and read it again. You OP didn't speak of this as a Moslim thing. I didn't take it that way. I think my view points towards Moslims differ greatly from say a US Military person who was in Afghanistan or Iraq.

The Moslims I know are very family oriented, liked tall Englishmen, fed me, and I saw nothing but love. Definitely no partying without their wives.

I'm not one of those people who wants to be different, only that I recognize the difference between a social event and a religious one. I tire of the little boxes people build in society to keep each other tidily locked up in. God knows, we can't turn the page.

You at USNH? If so, kudos. First time back in a few years and am very impressed with the changes. If not, piss off. :)

[DocTurtle]

The Moslims I know are very family oriented, liked tall Englishmen, fed me, and I saw nothing but love. Definitely no partying without their wives.
And I'm sure a vast majority are this way.

You at USNH? If so, kudos. First time back in a few years and am very impressed with the changes. If not, piss off. :)
LOL, no I'm not at the USNH. I'm a real corpsman and do real corpsman things other than checking vital signs :p
I'm a green side corpsman. Devil Doc :army: The real deal!:thumbup: If anyone tells you otherwise, they can piss off :thumbup1:

[Asshat]

I'm a real corpsman and do real corpsman things other than checking vital signs

Clap checks? lol...Sorry!

[Fonze]

I also stated that some not all muslims do this.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Frenchmen aims to bring pleasure to women again.
Following the announcement made by Dr Foldes, OBGYN in France, stating that women and children of all ages who have suffered the atrocities of clitoral excision, or female genital mutilation the equivalent of male castration in its barbarity, now have the possibility to regain sexual pleasure and be whole once again, thanks to medical advances and scientific progress. Rael (http://rael.org/), the spiritual leader of the Raelian Movement (http://rael.org/) decided to help as many women as possible to regain their sense of pleasure and founded Clitoraid, a private non-profit organization with the aim to sponsor those women who want to have their clitoris rebuilt.
http://clitoraid.org/page.php?2

[Ammoyankee]

OMG:barf:...If it comes down to this on base, I am breaking the lockdown!

[okisteve]

Frenchmen aims to bring pleasure to women again.

http://clitoraid.org/page.php?2

???? WTF, as they say. First reaction was that this has to be a joke, but it looks for real, or would that be Rael?

Maybe it's the name that seems like a joke. I'm making a donation to Clitoraid just so I could list it as a tax deduction next year.