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P_chan
10-23-2007, 10:29 PM
http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp
Ohhhhh nOEZ!!!! Someone doesn't like christianity and is very vocal about it so we should all boycott the movie! Please, take a look in the mirror before your so quick to judge:thumbdown:. I thought you were taught not to judge others huh?
kombu_kid
10-23-2007, 11:01 PM
What are you talking about!!?? Don't you think the boycott idea is basically coming from religious groups, and towards other religious folk, saying "hey, if you're religious and you see this kids' movie coming out, don't take your kid to see it, because the underlying storyline is anti-God, anti-religion"?
Please, take a look in the mirror before your so quick to judge. I thought you were taught not to judge others huh?
Judge others, or judge a movie? Isn't this guy a self-proclaimed atheist? And I don't think he's trying to hide the basic storyline.
BTW, I wouldn't let my kid hang around with another kid who's a known druggie or screwball, and that's not "judging" IMO. To me, that's "guidance" when they are young and more easily influenced.
I'll go see it just to see Nicole Kidman. <3
themadscientist
10-24-2007, 07:24 AM
Well if they can make "Left Behind" movies he can make this. I have no problem with christians boycotting it if it is offensive to them. Beyond personal choice and voting with the pocketbook however, ie picketing in front of theaters etc is going to far. Not saying they are doing that just saying it would be excessive if they did.
Asshat
10-24-2007, 07:52 AM
I have no problem with christians boycotting it if it is offensive to them.
There goes personal choice. The pastor shows up on Sunday and tells the flock:
"Behold this film is the hand of the devil, and I admonish each and every one of you to hold up his hand in rightousness against this evil travesty."
Christians. One of the biggest voting blocks out there in our "secular government." I can't wait for the rapture when they all go away!
atb35
10-24-2007, 08:14 AM
Well if they can make "Left Behind" movies he can make this. I have no problem with christians boycotting it if it is offensive to them. Beyond personal choice and voting with the pocketbook however, ie picketing in front of theaters etc is going to far. Not saying they are doing that just saying it would be excessive if they did.
My sentiments exactly. If you want to make a personal choice to not watch it...good on ya. Just dont yell at me or put a sign in my face telling me not to watch it as I go to the theater.
(for all the literal pc people on this board, by YOU, or ME, I mean people in our society in general...not LITERALLY you and me)
There goes personal choice. The pastor shows up on Sunday and tells the flock:
"Behold this film is the hand of the devil, and I admonish each and every one of you to hold up his hand in rightousness against this evil travesty."
Christians. One of the biggest voting blocks out there in our "secular government." I can't wait for the rapture when they all go away!
Just like the Christian preachers telling kids they are paying hommage to the devil for having anything to do with halloween.
My sentiments exactly. If you want to make a personal choice to not watch it...good on ya. Just dont yell at me or put a sign in my face telling me not to watch it as I go to the theater.
(for all the literal pc people on this board, by YOU, or ME, I mean people in our society in general...not LITERALLY you and me)
You know recently I have noticed that you really are strongly against any type of protest against anything.
Personally I would rather know that there may be some type of controversy surrounding, in this case, the movie so I can do my own research and make a judgement for myself.
Funny thing is, until I read this I didnt know anything about the movie itself, and really didnt care, ignorance is bliss kind of thinking I suppose, but now I just might watch it to see what makes it controversial.
So I should say thanks for bringing it up to my attention.:D
P_chan
10-24-2007, 08:49 AM
What are you talking about!!?? Don't you think the boycott idea is basically coming from religious groups, and towards other religious folk, saying "hey, if you're religious and you see this kids' movie coming out, don't take your kid to see it, because the underlying storyline is anti-God, anti-religion"?
Judge others, or judge a movie? Isn't this guy a self-proclaimed atheist? And I don't think he's trying to hide the basic storyline.
BTW, I wouldn't let my kid hang around with another kid who's a known druggie or screwball, and that's not "judging" IMO. To me, that's "guidance" when they are young and more easily influenced.
Hmmmm how about letting your kids make up their own minds? Themadscientist pretty much summed up my thoughts on this matter.
kombu_kid
10-24-2007, 08:52 AM
Oh come on now. A bunch of Christians boycotting a movie and you guys act like they're screaming in your face and bustin' signs over your head.
Well if they can make "Left Behind" movies he can make this.
Yes, it's America. He can make XXX or just about any movie he wants. BTW, I don't know what a "Left Behind" movie is. (It's not that old joke about "what's the worst thing about getting out of the Navy? Answer: Leaving your buddies behind.)
But seriously, somebody goes and searches the internet, finds a story about "those Christians are at it again", boycotting a movie, and then everybody gets into teeth clenched mode, saying "those mother f----ers better not get within 25 feet o' me or I'll rip their f---in' tonsils out". Take a chill pill. Look at yourself. I'd say "those Christians" are doin' their own thing, in their own world. And now people can't protest against things they don't like in your "perfect world"?
Hmmmm how about letting your kids make up their own minds?
About what, the hanging out with druggies, screwballs, or watching Satanic movies at age 8?
atb35
10-24-2007, 09:05 AM
You know recently I have noticed that you really are strongly against any type of protest against anything.
Personally I would rather know that there may be some type of controversy surrounding, in this case, the movie so I can do my own research and make a judgement for myself.
Funny thing is, until I read this I didnt know anything about the movie itself, and really didnt care, ignorance is bliss kind of thinking I suppose, but now I just might watch it to see what makes it controversial.
So I should say thanks for bringing it up to my attention.:D
Im not against protesting anything. I think protesting is good, arguing is good, it does bring attention to issues. My problem is when protestors go too far. I have no problem with them waving their signs, going on the news, posting things on billboards. When they are pushing their signs in peoples faces, yelling at people who dont believe what they do, that is what I dont like...that is what I dont agree with.
Hmmmm how about letting your kids make up their own minds? Themadscientist pretty much summed up my thoughts on this matter.
I have to agree with the kid here, particularly with regards to anything that is geared towards or targeted towards children. Wait one, possibly my kids.
As parents we have to use our best judgement and common sense in deciding what we think is right for our own kids. I know I can protect and guide them only so far, but in regards to what they watch on TV or in a movie I have to make a decision for them in some cases.
Would you let you kids watch a "snuff" flick? I doubt it. Would you let them watch the tapes on the internet of US Snipers blowing peoples heads off in Afganistan or look at the beheading pictures from Iraq? I doubt that as well. But to use your argument here...."Let your kids make up their own minds".
Hell its just a fantasy movie, what harm could there be? Did you know some Christians even protested and still protest the Harry Potter series because it promotes sorcery?
In my opinion it is up to the parents to make the decision for their children, and decide if it's right for their kids.
P_chan
10-24-2007, 09:09 AM
Yes parents need to make a lot of decisions for their kids. But letting a kid see a movie that has underlining issues about religion won't really hurt them. Just go with your kids to see the movie in question. If they have any questions, how about explaining them to your kids? Rather then sheltering them and not letting them experience anything besides what you believe to be correct.
Im not against protesting anything. I think protesting is good, arguing is good, it does bring attention to issues. My problem is when protestors go too far. I have no problem with them waving their signs, going on the news, posting things on billboards. When they are pushing their signs in peoples faces, yelling at people who dont believe what they do, that is what I dont like...that is what I dont agree with.
Ok, my first thought was what is too far....but you explained that thank you.
And I agree.
It's the same as activists in other areas as well, which are best left unnamed for the sake of this thread, however I am pretty sure you know whom I am refering to, these people as well terrorize people with their beliefs.
atb35
10-24-2007, 09:12 AM
Snuff movies is going pretty extreme there. Would you show one of those to anyone? Doubt it unless you knew they were into that crap. Of course as parents we have to shelter them from some things such as this. I wouldnt allow my children to watch a donkey show either...not because I dont want them to make up their own minds, just because it is sick...by anyones standard (relax, i know there are exceptions to EVERYTHING).
themadscientist
10-24-2007, 09:17 AM
Oh come on now. A bunch of Christians boycotting a movie and you guys act like they're screaming in your face and bustin' signs over your head.
Yes, it's America. He can make XXX or just about any movie he wants. BTW, I don't know what a "Left Behind" movie is. (It's not that old joke about "what's the worst thing about getting out of the Navy? Answer: Leaving your buddies behind.)
But seriously, somebody goes and searches the internet, finds a story about "those Christians are at it again", boycotting a movie, and then everybody gets into teeth clenched mode, saying "those mother f----ers better not get within 25 feet o' me or I'll rip their f---in' tonsils out". Take a chill pill. Look at yourself. I'd say "those Christians" are doin' their own thing, in their own world. And now people can't protest against things they don't like in your "perfect world"?
About what, the hanging out with druggies, screwballs, or watching Satanic movies at age 8?
The left behind movies are based on the book series of the same title.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0190524/
I am I guess if you had to catagorize, an agnostic, and I enjoyed the books, very well written and engrossing. I read them as I would read a fiction book though and I am not threatened by the idea that others read them as something more.
Christians are welcome right up to my foot of personal space. Muslims, Hindus, heck Satanists too. As long as they repsect my right not to beleive in their particular deity I will certainly respect their right to beleive.
If parents wish to instill their values in their children, as long as they are not deviant or criminal ones, it only makes sense. Of course it makes sense to warn the flock about the content of a movie so that they might make informed decisions to see it or not based upon their personal beleifs and values. I would expect a Christian person to want to craft the stimuli that reaches their child, any parent would. I wouldn't allow a child of mine to see certain things either.
As I said, as long as they don't stake out the theatre and start imposing their views on others who did not solicit their opinion we cool. I wouldn't go see it based on the description either, sounds like it sucks pretty bad. I don't watch movies to be preached to or indoctrinated, I want to be entertained. d
Yes parents need to make a lot of decisions for their kids. But letting a kid see a movie that has underlining issues about religion won't really hurt them. Just go with your kids to see the movie in question. If they have any questions, how about explaining them to your kids? Rather then sheltering them and not letting them experience anything besides what you believe to be correct.
See the funny thing about that is many kids probably wouldnt even be aware of the underlying theme, yet are having information inplanted in their heads about something they havent been prepared for or are aware of in the first place.
I would say watch the movie first yourself and then decide if it's appropriate for a younger child. If the underlying themes are too deep for them to understand then hey what harm, however if they are blatantly open and not so underlying then you can decide whats right.
Did you watch LOTR? Did you know about the underlying themes in that series? It was rather interesting, and yet my kids knew nothing about them and they enjoyed the movie for what it was. Yet as my 1st son has gotten older we have rewatched the movie and I have discussed with him the theme that runs through the movie and now he can understand them better. Yet he recalled telling me that while watching the movies the first time he always felt like there was something else there but he couldnt put his finger on.
That is what I refer to when I say that some kids wont "know" it but might be influenced anyway. They are being influenc subconsciously in a manner of speaking.
themadscientist
10-24-2007, 09:25 AM
Did you watch LOTR? Did you know about the underlying themes in that series? It was rather interesting, and yet my kids knew nothing about them and they enjoyed the movie for what it was. Yet as my 1st son has gotten older we have rewatched the movie and I have discussed with him the theme that runs through the movie and now he can understand them better. Yet he recalled telling me that while watching the movies the first time he always felt like there was something else there but he couldnt put his finger on.
I watched them several times, I didn't catch it apparently. I tend to see the movies as Randall from Clerks II did.
They walked a lot and everybody with a ring was messed up so perhaps the themes were twofold.
1. invest in good shoes
2. jewelry is evil
:D
atb35
10-24-2007, 09:50 AM
Im with mad on this, I must be an idiot because I dont know of any underlying theme. Were they trying to advocate hobbit same sex marriage? Maybe it was the human and elvin relationship....
Oh, it had to be something about hobbits riding wood?
Please oh please dont tell me it was the evil side being blackish orcs and this had something to do with slavery. I truly hope no ignorant moron out there believes this.
themadscientist
10-24-2007, 09:55 AM
Oh, it had to be something about hobbits riding wood?
bwahahaha!
Yeah I was thinking through those movies "just kiss Frodo already Sam"! :rolleyes:
Asshat
10-24-2007, 10:15 AM
Did Jerry Garcia write the Hobbit? Or did JRR put some of Bilbo's "pipeweed" in his bowl?
And who actually bans books? You know...over the years books were banned right? Classics. Who banned them exactly? A zealous group of protestors, or the head librarian?
Yeah I was thinking through those movies "just kiss Frodo already Sam"! :rolleyes:
Yeah, Sam is definitely homosexual. :thumbup1:
I'm not sure about Frodo though. He just seemed messed up all the time. Sam was merely taking advantage of the situation.
And who actually bans books? You know...over the years books were banned right? Classics. Who banned them exactly? A zealous group of protestors, or the head librarian?
One of my favorite books We (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel)) was apparently censored by a Soviet Censorship Bureau.
P_chan
10-24-2007, 03:03 PM
About what, the hanging out with druggies, screwballs, or watching Satanic movies at age 8?
Right....you blew that way out of proportion.
Im with mad on this, I must be an idiot because I dont know of any underlying theme. Were they trying to advocate hobbit same sex marriage? Maybe it was the human and elvin relationship....
Oh, it had to be something about hobbits riding wood?
Please oh please dont tell me it was the evil side being blackish orcs and this had something to do with slavery. I truly hope no ignorant moron out there believes this.
The time period that they books were written there is a resemblence to Europe during the late 1920's and 30's and the rise of Nazism in Europe. The mechanization of the world, the destruction of the environment, all different peoples joining together to fight a common evil, and the ever present theme of good vs evil.
Even though there was no intent by Tolkien to portray it so, some people look at the characters of Sauron and Sarumon as being the real life, at the time, Hitler and Stalin.
Tolkien also had a profound love of nature and saw the destructive effects on the environment at that time, that the Industrial Revolution had left in its path. He also portrayed this in the book as well.
themadscientist
10-24-2007, 06:49 PM
The time period that they books were written there is a resemblence to Europe during the late 1920's and 30's and the rise of Nazism in Europe. The mechanization of the world, the destruction of the environment, all different peoples joining together to fight a common evil, and the ever present theme of good vs evil.
Even though there was no intent by Tolkien to portray it so, some people look at the characters of Sauron and Sarumon as being the real life, at the time, Hitler and Stalin.
Tolkien also had a profound love of nature and saw the destructive effects on the environment at that time, that the Industrial Revolution had left in its path. He also portrayed this in the book as well.
I can see that now that you lay it out like that. Sam was still smokin pole though.
I can see that now that you lay it out like that. Sam was still smokin pole though.
I agree too, I was just making a comment about "underlying" themes in movies.
Some are hard to pick out and others are rather easy. I still say in regards to the movie that was brought up by P Chan in the OP, we as parents have a responsibility to keep an eye out for our kids.
kombu_kid
10-25-2007, 01:56 AM
Right....you blew that way out of proportion.
Yeah I know. It was just too tempting to do. The devil made me do it. J/K!
I don't try to shelter my kids, just guide them until they reach 18. Tell 'em about right and wrong, and how the world is. And who knows, I might check out that flick and let 'em watch it. My thinking is 90 miles away from any extreme Christian thinking, like that Harry Potter stuff and Halloween is evil etc.
My older ones are already going to school with Marilyn Manson look-a-likes. How much worse could it get than that?
Tempestuous
10-25-2007, 05:28 AM
Not too interested in that style of movie, so I have never seen LotR.
*cringes and waits for stones*
Shoot, I wouldn't of seen StarWars if it wasn't HIS interest.
Just isn't my style. No Harry Potter, Bridge to Terrabitha, no plans to see the OP movie either. I actually didn't enjoy PoC that much once they went into all that weird fantasy stuff, either.
I am not one for jumping on a "BAN IT" wagon.
You have the choice. You can see it if you want to.
As for me and my kids, if I don't feel it is safe for them to see, then I won't let them.
If they wanna watch it when they are old enough to make that decision for themselves, then so be it.
Some people like coffee, some people don't. Just keep walking!!! It shouldn't be your world mission to tell everyone else what to partake of and exactly how they should or shouldn't do it.
themadscientist
10-25-2007, 07:38 AM
tempestuous was quoted as saying
Even the trees walked in those movies!:D
http://www.microsiervos.com/images/randall-lord-of-the-steps.jpg
Tempestuous
10-25-2007, 07:45 AM
Seriously!!! Who wants to see walking talking trees??? :)
themadscientist
10-25-2007, 08:05 AM
yeah, I would say treebeard's acting was,,,,wooden :D
Seriously!!! Who wants to see walking talking trees??? :)
Ever seen Yao Ming?:w00t:
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