SOFA question

[P_chan]

I know someone has posted it before but I can't find it:D Does anyone have the clause in the SOFA agreement that states that the us government cannot restrict a local resident in Japan? Just curious, I swore that someone posted it in here before.

Thanks in advance:thumbup:

[SnaFu]

I know someone has posted it before but I can't find it:D Does anyone have the clause in the SOFA agreement that states that the us government cannot restrict a local resident in Japan? Just curious, I swore that someone posted it in here before.

Thanks in advance:thumbup:

What do you mean by restrict? Can you be more specific?

[Tanimaga]

What do you mean by restrict? Can you be more specific?

Like an ID card holding Japanese spouse of a military member (I believe).

Back in the day when everyone was on lock down, I was told that my Okinawan wife was not allowed out of our home (off base) after the curfew (11pm IIRC).

There were lots of arguments as to whether or not they could control local residents under certain circumstances.

[abonifi1]

It was in the thread about moving military on base, instead of letting them live in town, I don't remember the name or feel like looking it,

[Tanimaga]

It was also in the lockdown thread. It only comes up in times of turmoil.

[abonifi1]

It was also in the lockdown thread. It only comes up in times of turmoil.

Probably, because the military powers to be are only notibly, blatantly breaking and/or disreguard the laws, rules and regulations in times of term- oil,

Meaning the only time people pay attention to their commands breaking the rules.

[SnaFu]

I think this is what you are looking for then...

ARTICLE XVII

4. The foregoing provisions of this Article shall not imply any right for the military authorities of the United States to exercise jurisdiction over persons who are nationals of or ordinarily resident in Japan, unless they are members of the United States armed forces.

http://www.niraikanai.wwma.net/pages/archive/sofa.html

[abonifi1]

I think this is what you are looking for then...

ARTICLE XVII

4. The foregoing provisions of this Article shall not imply any right for the military authorities of the United States to exercise jurisdiction over persons who are nationals of or ordinarily resident in Japan, unless they are members of the United States armed forces.

http://www.niraikanai.wwma.net/pages/archive/sofa.html

Yeah, because most not realize ID card does not equal SOFA status.

nor do the right to shop in the commissary and/ or PX/BX.

[Tanimaga]

I think this is what you are looking for then...

ARTICLE XVII

4. The foregoing provisions of this Article shall not imply any right for the military authorities of the United States to exercise jurisdiction over persons who are nationals of or ordinarily resident in Japan, unless they are members of the United States armed forces.

http://www.niraikanai.wwma.net/pages/archive/sofa.html

Looks like a winner!

[Tanimaga]

Yeah, because most not realize ID card does not equal SOFA status.

nor do the right to shop in the commissary and/ or PX/BX.

My coworkers arguement was with the wording of the order..

Local hires seem to fall in the cracks.

[abonifi1]

My coworkers arguement was with the wording of the order..

Local hires seem to fall in the cracks.

Yeah, that's what Gen Libutti thought back in 2001,until one of the local highers that was GS-2x, called their Congressman, and had it settled then (the local hire right, the gen. wrong)

But there is no gray area, its dependant on your status in Japan.

But really, the Americans aside it doesn't matter, the US military, has no power or control over a Japanese Citizen in Japan.

[SnaFu]

Article 1 determines who is SOFA status:

Article 1c includes spouse and dependents under 21.

ARTICLE I

In this Agreement the expression -


(a) "members of the United States armed forces" means the personnel on active duty belonging to the land, sea or air armed services of the United States of America when in the territory of Japan.

(b) "civilian component" means the civilian persons of United States nationality who are in the employ of, serving with, or accompanying the United States armed forces in Japan, but ex-cludes persons who are ordinarily resident in Japan or who are mentioned in paragraph 1 of Article XIV. For the purposes of this Agreement only, dual nationals, United States and Japanese, who are brought to Japan by the United States shall be considered as United States nationals.

(c) "dependents" means
Spouse, and children under 21;
Parents, and children over 21, if dependent for over half their support upon a member of the United States armed forces or civilian component.

[SnaFu]

If you are SOFA status you one of the following:

Article 1a
Article 1b
Article 1c
Article XIV

[P_chan]

Thanks for the help:thumbup:

[daveh5o]

Paragraph b seems to leave a huge loophole for Americans living in Japan (with local spouses or not) to not automatically be granted SOFA status upon being hired for a Base job. Does this occur often?

[Richard Burns]

Paragraph b seems to leave a huge loophole for Americans living in Japan (with local spouses or not) to not automatically be granted SOFA status upon being hired for a Base job. Does this occur often?

AFAIK people still get SOFA jobs but get screwed out of housing and other bennies.

[SnaFu]

Paragraph b seems to leave a huge loophole for Americans living in Japan (with local spouses or not) to not automatically be granted SOFA status upon being hired for a Base job. Does this occur often?

(b) "civilian component" means the civilian persons of United States nationality who are in the employ of, serving with, or accompanying the United States armed forces in Japan, but ex-cludes persons who are ordinarily resident in Japan or who are mentioned in paragraph 1 of Article XIV. For the purposes of this Agreement only, dual nationals, United States and Japanese, who are brought to Japan by the United States shall be considered as United States nationals.

I can't help but wonder about this one... You know spirit of the document and all taking into consideration when the agreement was ratified. Here is the way I interpert it:

Civilian component is GS workers, State Department, FBI, or any other US Federally employed persons.

Article XIV covered US certified contractors. shall be restricted to cases where open competitive bidding is not practicable due to security considerations, to the technical qualifications of the contractors involved, or to the unavailability of materials or services required by United States standards, or to limitations of United States law.

I hardly see the majority of MCCS or 18th Services people fitting into either of these categories.

There are also many contractors who are Article 1b which is total bullshit. As the purpose of Article XIV is precisley intended to cover them.

Basically any contract that can go up for bid on the local economy should not have SOFA entitlements.

Kind of makes me wonder what would happen if the bogus SOFA employees suddenly lost their SOFA security umbrella because someone decided to honor the treaty to the letter...
:scratchchin:

[Tanimaga]

I hardly see the majority of MCCS or 18th Services people fitting into either of these categories.

Basically any contract that can go up for bid on the local economy should not have SOFA entitlements.

Kind of makes me wonder what would happen if the bogus SOFA employees suddenly lost their SOFA security umbrella because someone decided to honor the treaty to the letter...
:scratchchin:

This has come up in the past. As a local hire I was hired from the Japanese side.. (I worked at JU !!!).. so technically speaking, I was resident in Japan, and not brought here by the US.

Our higher-ups had the idea to drop our SOFA status, and have us work similiar to the MLC/IHA employees. Just have a base pass, and have no SOFA "perks" (If you can call them that). Assuming we can legally stay on Okinawa. It was apparently shot down by the legal dept. for unknown reasons.

[YPlateHater]

Being a permanent resident here.. I always find it fun to "taunt" the MPs and such when I see them off base. Most fun is during something like a lockdown. Wandering near Gate 2 when nobody is supposed to be off base, or after curfuew..

:thumbup1:

[DoctorP]

Being a permanent resident here.. I always find it fun to "taunt" the MPs and such when I see them off base. Most fun is during something like a lockdown. Wandering near Gate 2 when nobody is supposed to be off base, or after curfuew..

:thumbup1:

What's the point?

Seems kind of silly.

[Tanimaga]

What's the point?

Seems kind of silly.

Same reason DK did during the lockdown.

[canjap02]

Being a permanent resident here.. I always find it fun to "taunt" the MPs and such when I see them off base. Most fun is during something like a lockdown. Wandering near Gate 2 when nobody is supposed to be off base, or after curfuew..

:thumbup1:

ya I love doing that. I get hastled by the MP's all the time (and Im not even american) so I feel its a little pay back. Its damn fun when they find out they cant do shit cause Im not military or sofa.:grin1:

[DoctorP]

Same reason DK did during the lockdown.

Thought that was TP?

[dk]

Thought that was TP?

Me on Gate 2? Pfft...

Ok, ok, I'm there every now and then...

[Godzilla]

ya I love doing that. I get hastled by the MP's all the time (and Im not even american) so I feel its a little pay back. Its damn fun when they find out they cant do shit cause Im not military or sofa.:grin1:

That used to be one of my favorite pass times. I loved to walk down gate 2 drinking a beer, then the curiosity patrol would always ask me to pour my beer out. And I would always tell them to suck my dick, **** off, or kiss my ass. It was so funny, some of those guys really didn't know how to react to that. It might of been the first time for some of those e-8's and e-7's that someone refused to follow their orders.

But I can't do that shit any more, man I miss those days!

[Richard Burns]

The weird part I've never been harassed by the courtesy patrol. They ne'er stopped me, questioned me, nothing. Not when I was active duty or now.

[Godzilla]

The weird part I've never been harassed by the courtesy patrol. They ne'er stopped me, questioned me, nothing. Not when I was active duty or now.

Then you are lucky, cuz those dudes are some douche bags.

[CPOCPO]

What's the point?

Seems kind of silly.


yeah, exactly.. I'm sure the MPs are laughing at him, a permanent resident, actually hanging around gate 2.

[DoctorP]

yeah, exactly.. I'm sure the MPs are laughing at him, a permanent resident, actually hanging around gate 2.

Or that the highlight of his day is to try and mess with a Marine/Airman/Soldier/Sailor that is getting messed with worse just by having that duty!:D:rolleyes:

[SnaFu]

I guess I just used to look suspicious. MP's don't mess with me no more now that my body more closely resembles a bell pepper than a lean fighting machine but them and the damn wino watch used to break my balls on a regular basis.

Top button on shirt not buttoned, MOR
Shirt not tucked in, MOR
Unserviceable jeans in the fu&king auto hoby shop on Foster, (actually got written up for that one but it ended up getting dropped and I got 2 weeks EPD while on leave and leave got canceled)
haircut not close enough while on leave (different occasion) MOR
I even got turned around at the gate at Subic trying to go on libo with an impropper shave once.
Impropper civilian attire in the chow hall. They waited until I sat down to start eating before I was told to leave by the MP's and given an MOR.
Too many bullshit incidents to remember...

[SnaFu]

yeah, exactly.. I'm sure the MPs are laughing at him, a permanent resident, actually hanging around gate 2.

Maybe he is working there or runs a business there. Also gate 2 street has some of the best live bands on the island.

I suppose that would make him a low life not worthy of respect.:thumbdown:

[canjap02]

for me its always when I out with my japanese buddies, Ill be walkin down the street with a beer in each hand,pissed out of my mind. They just cant understand a gaijin walking with 10 other drunk japanese dudes. The biggist problem I have with then is they never thing before they act. How many military member do you see shit faced walking with a bunch of japanese guys. not to many in my experience. :)

[Tanimaga]

I guess I just used to look suspicious. MP's don't mess with me no more now that my body more closely resembles a bell pepper than a lean fighting machine but them and the damn wino watch used to break my balls on a regular basis.

Top button on shirt not buttoned, MOR
Shirt not tucked in, MOR
Unserviceable jeans in the fu&king auto hoby shop on Foster, (actually got written up for that one but it ended up getting dropped and I got 2 weeks EPD while on leave and leave got canceled)
haircut not close enough while on leave (different occasion) MOR
I even got turned around at the gate at Subic trying to go on libo with an impropper shave once.
Impropper civilian attire in the chow hall. They waited until I sat down to start eating before I was told to leave by the MP's and given an MOR.
Too many bullshit incidents to remember...


I'm with you on these things..

They wonder why people won't stay in the military??

[Godzilla]

I guess I just used to look suspicious. MP's don't mess with me no more now that my body more closely resembles a bell pepper than a lean fighting machine but them and the damn wino watch used to break my balls on a regular basis.

Top button on shirt not buttoned, MOR
Shirt not tucked in, MOR
Unserviceable jeans in the fu&king auto hoby shop on Foster, (actually got written up for that one but it ended up getting dropped and I got 2 weeks EPD while on leave and leave got canceled)
haircut not close enough while on leave (different occasion) MOR
I even got turned around at the gate at Subic trying to go on libo with an impropper shave once.
Impropper civilian attire in the chow hall. They waited until I sat down to start eating before I was told to leave by the MP's and given an MOR.
Too many bullshit incidents to remember...

Yeah bro I feel your pain those dudes and and another guy I know are real....

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3FL4QbedWt8/SmmFU7RsSQI/AAAAAAAAAWM/LDdO-Y51zLQ/s320/douchebag.jpg

[SnaFu]

They never needed people to stay in. Years ago they had the draft.

Now they still have the draft. It's not called that anymore but when you finish high school and can't find a job because the economy is so FU&KED and can't afford to keep a roof over your head and put food on the table a lot of people have no choice but to join the military.

Stupid assinine rules are just another way to keep people in their place.

[Richard Burns]

How many military member do you see shit faced walking with a bunch of japanese guys. not to many in my experience. :)

Quite a few actually I was one of em.

[Richard Burns]

I don't get the USMC. You're supposed to be a hardcore warrior but they want you to dress like a nerd.

**** that.

[SnaFu]

I understand that for a lot of people who want to stay here that SOFA is the only way. But I can not for the life of me see why they think SOFA is such a great thing. Being SOFA sucks. At any time the almighty self righteous base dictators can and do impose lockdowns and other rediculous administrative policies that restrict your liberty and you can't do shit about it.

[Tanimaga]

I don't get the USMC. You're supposed to be a hardcore warrior but they want you to dress like a nerd.

**** that.

We had a Marine working part time in our shop, and we destroyed his career. Not intentionally, but after awhile, he quit wearing the belt and shirt combo, and just said the hell with it. His temperment became a total civilian, and he ended up getting out.

If you're on JU.. sorry about that dude.

[SnaFu]

I don't get the USMC. You're supposed to be a hardcore warrior but they want you to dress like a nerd.

**** that.

They don't want us to stand out to terrorists. Give me a fu&king break!

I can spot a military member a mile off. They look like they just stepped off the set of "Leave it to Beaver" or "My three Sons". They stand out like fu&king sore thumbs.

[Tanimaga]

I understand that for a lot of people who want to stay here that SOFA is the only way. But I can not for the life of me see why they think SOFA is such a great thing. Being SOFA sucks. At any time the almighty self righteous base dictators can and do impose lockdowns and other rediculous administrative policies that restrict your liberty and you can't do shit about it.

We know SOFA status works against you in the long run, but for those who have been here a long time, we are kinda cemented into position. I don't want to lose my 4k+/month job unless I have no other choice. It's the price I'm willing to pay for no rotation date or ETS, 1.5 months off a year, and other perks..

I've worked out in town, and as much as I enjoyed working for JU, the money wasn't there!

[Tanimaga]

They look like they just stepped off the set of "Leave it to Beaver" or "My three Sons". They stand out like fu&king sore thumbs.

Mormons with firearms?

[SnaFu]

We know SOFA status works against you in the long run, but for those who have been here a long time, we are kinda cemented into position. I don't want to lose my 4k+/month job unless I have no other choice. It's the price I'm willing to pay for no rotation date or ETS, 1.5 months off a year, and other perks..

I've worked out in town, and as much as I enjoyed working for JU, the money wasn't there!

I hear where your comming from and totally appreciate it. But none of the time you are here SOFA goes counts towards your imigration status if and when you decide to stay here on visa. Plus it sucks ass that you have to give up your visa to get a SOFA position which is in violation of the SOFA treaty in the first place.

It's just the way it is. A lot of times you have to bend over and take it like a man just to provide for your family.

[Tanimaga]

I hear where your comming from and totally appreciate it. But none of the time you are here SOFA goes counts towards your imigration status if and when you decide to stay here on visa. Plus it sucks ass that you have to give up your visa to get a SOFA position which is in violation of the SOFA treaty in the first place.

It's just the way it is. A lot of times you have to bend over and take it like a man just to provide for your family.

Still have a ways until retirement.. maybe I'll be free of my bonds then.

I have thought of starting my own business.. but I think I'll try to pay off my house first.

Lol.. first payment is in December!





I was alot happier without the military job though. Working for JU was freedom.

[SnaFu]

Still have a ways until retirement.. maybe I'll be free of my bonds then.

I have thought of starting my own business.. but I think I'll try to pay off my house first.

Lol.. first payment is in December!

I was alot happier without the military job though. Working for JU was freedom.

Best of luck to you and your family.

I sincerely hope it works out for you.:thumbup:

[Tanimaga]

Best of luck to you and your family.

I sincerely hope it works out for you.:thumbup:

Thanks.. it always seems to.

My friends prosper, and enemies stumble. :thumbup1:

[Richard Burns]

Wait you worked for JU and you're not a mod? What the heck.

[Tanimaga]

Wait you worked for JU and you're not a mod? What the heck.

Does it come with a paycheck?

[Richard Burns]

Does it come with a paycheck?

I don't know does it?

[Godzilla]

I don't know does it?

I am not sure if it comes with pay either, but I can give the privilege of viewing my favorite picture in the whole world. So here it goes, please enjoy and let me know what you think!

Edit by DK: I think P_chan already asked you to stop a few times. Thanks. I appreciate it.

[Godzilla]

I am not sure if it comes with pay either, but I can give the privilege of viewing my favorite picture in the whole world. So here it goes, please enjoy and let me know what you think!

Edit by DK: I think P_chan already asked you to stop a few times. Thanks. I appreciate it.

Sure, just taking a chance to post my favorite picture. Meant no harm in doing so, don't see what the big deal is.

But since you asked nicely I guess I will lay off of posting my favorite picture. Plus I think I made my point.

[dk]

Thanks. You certainly did. :)

It's hard to write papers when I have to worry about shit breaking out on the forum. lol

[abonifi1]

Thanks. You certainly did. :)

It's hard to write papers when I have to worry about shit breaking out on the forum. lol

Why don't you ask RB to write it for you?:thumbup1:

[dk]

Why don't you ask RB to write it for you?:thumbup1:

Because I would like to actually graduate.. \:-)

[Godzilla]

Thanks. You certainly did. :)

It's hard to write papers when I have to worry about shit breaking out on the forum. lol

Now that is a fine example of people skills.

If I were approached originally with such class and intelligence then maybe the forum would not of had the privilege of viewing my favorite picture so many times.

[abonifi1]

Because I would like to actually graduate.. \:-)

You elitist bastard........

[YPlateHater]

Originally Posted by CPOCPO
yeah, exactly.. I'm sure the MPs are laughing at him, a permanent resident, actually hanging around gate 2.

Nah, only reason to go to gate 2 is during a lockdown or whatnot when it's easy to mess with the SP. Other than that, in 15 years, I've been to gate 2 street exactly 2 times to "hang out". Once 15 years ago when I first got here, and once about 3 years ago to see if it still sucked.

Outside of that, it's strictly to mess with people.

[Godzilla]

Nah, only reason to go to gate 2 is during a lockdown or whatnot when it's easy to mess with the SP. Other than that, in 15 years, I've been to gate 2 street exactly 2 times to "hang out". Once 15 years ago when I first got here, and once about 3 years ago to see if it still sucked.

Outside of that, it's strictly to mess with people.

I feel you, G2 is pretty lame. Messing with the douches down there is pretty fun. Especially when there is nothing they can do to you.

[P_chan]

Now that is a fine example of people skills.

If I were approached originally with such class and intelligence then maybe the forum would not of had the privilege of viewing my favorite picture so many times.

Or maybe if you acted like an adult you'd be treated like an adult. Instead of following other users around the forum and posting pictures after being told not to. Or created other accounts to post that picture. All the while claiming the "blind, deaf, and dumb" defense:rolleyes:

[dk]

Get over it, P_chan... You kinda had it coming for what you did on the Marine birthday thread. lol

I know you both and you are both exceptional human beings. Well, P_chan is an exceptional kid. lol

[dk]

Nah, only reason to go to gate 2 is during a lockdown or whatnot when it's easy to mess with the SP. Other than that, in 15 years, I've been to gate 2 street exactly 2 times to "hang out". Once 15 years ago when I first got here, and once about 3 years ago to see if it still sucked.

Outside of that, it's strictly to mess with people.

Gate 2 always sucks, but sometimes it is important to drop by just to remember how cool your non-Gate2 drinking spots are in comparison.

Who am I kidding... Every bar north of Naha sucks. lol

[P_chan]

Get over it, P_chan... You kinda had it coming for what you did on the Marine birthday thread. lol

I know you both and you are both exceptional human beings. Well, P_chan is an exceptional kid. lol


That was a social experiment targeted at one user in an attempt to show them that spam groaning can be taken as flame baiting. They just so happened to post in that thread and if people get upset that I don't get a chubby on the marine corps birthday......oh well:D

But yes, it's dropped.

[Godzilla]

But yes, it's dropped.

Same here I will never post that terrible picture again.

[abonifi1]

That was a social experiment .

Man I remember when RB used that excuse.:scared:

[P_chan]

Man I remember when RB used that excuse.:scared:


ROR, the plan backfired somewhat but for the most part it proved my point.

[dk]

ROR, the plan backfired somewhat but for the most part it proved my point.

Mainly, it backfired. lol

[Richard Burns]

You proved my point. "spam" groaning is not spaming or flame baiting.

You say it can be taken as flame baiting. Okay. Just becase something can be taken as somethng doesn't make it so.

[P_chan]

Mainly, it backfired. lol

You forgot IMO:D:D:D

[dk]

You forgot IMO:D:D:D

I'm DK. Some call me Dr. Dave. I don't need IMO. I'm an expert witness. lol

[DoctorP]

You proved my point. "spam" groaning is not spaming or flame baiting.

You say it can be taken as flame baiting. Okay. Just becase something can be taken as somethng doesn't make it so.

If it is not an issue:

1) why are you still posting about it

2) why do you get butt hurt when someone groans you? Forget about it.

[Richard Burns]

I don't get butt hurt when groaned there are just times I want to know why I was groaned if there is a reason.

It's an issue becase there's inconsistancies but what else is new. When it was me it was frowned upon but a ModSquad member did it (under the it's a social experiment umbrella) and all was good.

[P_chan]

It was an experiment on my own personal behalf RB. I didn't have the blessing of the "mod squad" because I didn't even tell them about it until after I started doing it.

[Richard Burns]

Yes it was on your own behalf but you get to do what you want because of you ModSquad membership.

[P_chan]

Yes it was on your own behalf but you get to do what you want because of you ModSquad membership.

Not really, if I got to do what I wanted to then I'd be editing your signature right now:D:D:D

Even if I was still just a regular old member I doubt anything "drastic" would have been done. But at least I determined that spam groaning is pretty much the same as flame baiting:thumbup:

But we'ver had this discussion before.:rolleyes:

[DoctorP]

Yes it was on your own behalf but you get to do what you want because of you ModSquad membership.

It has already been stated (many times) that he was corrected for doing this, just not out in the open. But you choose to ignore that.:thumbdown:

[Richard Burns]

Well that's why I suggested in the past all warnings should be red boxed so we the members can see the action taken.

P_chan you didn't prove anything in you're favor. You proved that "spam" groaning is not flame baiting and is IAW JUF rules and regs.

[abonifi1]

Well that's why I suggested in the past all warnings should be red boxed so we the members can see the action taken.

P_chan you didn't prove anything in you're favor. You proved that "spam" groaning is not flame baiting and is IAW JUF rules and regs.

RB,when you screw upat work or otherwise, do you want to be corrected in front of everybody, or behind closed doors, between you and your boss?
:scratchchin:

[Richard Burns]

Totally different scenario.

[abonifi1]

Totally different scenario.

No its not, at all.

[CPOCPO]

What's the point?

Seems kind of silly.



Maybe he is working there or runs a business there. Also gate 2 street has some of the best live bands on the island.

I suppose that would make him a low life not worthy of respect.:thumbdown:




We know he doesn't work there or own a business there, no need for hypotheticals. and I wouldn't say someone who hangs around gate 2 is a "low life not worthy of respect" though a permanent resident who is anti-Americans and anti-servicemebers socially hanging around the largest area for servicemembers off-post on the island is a little ironic don't you think? and to "love' taunting people doing their job, in the one area that is basiclly known to be filled with the people you don't like screams "Hey, look everybody, I'm a tool"


oh and pssst.. gate 2 sucks.

[abonifi1]

I wouldn't say someone who hangs around gate 2 is a "low life not worthy of respect" .....

oh and pssst.. gate 2 sucks.


Aren't you indirectly saying that?

though a permanent resident who is anti-Americans and anti-servicemebers socially hanging around the largest area for servicemembers off-post on the island is a little ironic don't you think?

Most of the people who are claiming to be PR, aren't, you can tell by the way they talk about it, or when they say how long they have been in Japan.

I think alot of them don't know the difference between a P.R., and a Visa permission. When you read what many of them are typing, they don't fall into the basic requirements of permanent residency.

[CPOCPO]

Nah, only reason to go to gate 2 is during a lockdown or whatnot when it's easy to mess with the SP. Other than that, in 15 years, I've been to gate 2 street exactly 2 times to "hang out". Once 15 years ago when I first got here, and once about 3 years ago to see if it still sucked.

Outside of that, it's strictly to mess with people.




sounds like you live a fun life :rolleyes:

So let's review: going to the worst place on the island that you would not normally go, strictly to mess with people is fun for you. yikes.

For a real barrel of laughs, you tools should fill up your cars with all sorts of food and what not, then drive by soup kitchens and taunt the homeless.. Right down your alley....

i just don't get some of your mind sets. Nobody really cares that you aren't servicemembers and that you can't get locked down. A) your self-worth is extremely exaggerated and B) I call shenanigans of half of your claims that you even give shit to the patrols in the first place, but it sure makes you look cool on JU.

[CPOCPO]

Aren't you indirectly saying that?




no, and I'm not seeing how one can equate saying Gate 2 sucks with people who live and work there are low lifes not worthy of repect.

[DoctorP]

Well that's why I suggested in the past all warnings should be red boxed so we the members can see the action taken.

P_chan you didn't prove anything in you're favor. You proved that "spam" groaning is not flame baiting and is IAW JUF rules and regs.

Go do that on your board. We'll wait.:rolleyes:

[abonifi1]

no, and I'm not seeing how one can equate saying Gate 2 sucks with people who live and work there are low lifes not worthy of repect.

Just how I read your post, but sounded like you were indirectly saying the same.

I can answer your question about screwing with camp guard, well the truth, not so much now, as 5 and 10 years ago, most of us didn't go out to screw with them, but they abused their position,and harassed us.

I have had JP's put some of them in handcuffs to teach them a lesson, I once ran a red light in front of one of an MP's car out in town (not even near a base), in a kanji plate car and have had the MP's try to ticket me, when I'm f@#$ing with them,they definately deserve it, a bunch of zealots, that need to be taught they have no rights off base with people who are not military.

I can't say I have seen myself go out of my way, to get in their face, but they initiate it, you as military do not, and could not experience their petty nature towards civilians.

[Richard Burns]

As far as PR goes the dude at immagrations said you need 3 regular visas first.

[SnaFu]

yeah, exactly.. I'm sure the MPs are laughing at him, a permanent resident, actually hanging around gate 2.

That statement could easily be construed as condescending towards anyone who hangs out on Gate 2. SOFA, foreign resident or local resident. Kind of implies that anyone who goes there don’t have a life.

If that’s too far off the mark then please explain why an MP would laugh at a “permanent resident actually hanging around Gate 2”.

:scratchchin:

[abonifi1]

As far as PR goes the dude at immagrations said you need 3 regular visas first.

hat used to be the case, now its 5 consecutive years, of paying taxes, pension, and medical insurance (unless that has changed in the last 3 months), a couple of special forms, and you are done.

It used to be 3 Visa's are what gave you the five years.

But these people who work on base, come off base, go back on base, probably do not.

I can't remeber who but 1 person said they had PR, but claimed they had SOFA status 2 years ago at the same time.

[abonifi1]

That statement could easily be construed as condescending towards anyone who hangs out on Gate 2. SOFA, foreign resident or local resident. Kind of implies that anyone who goes there don’t have a life.

If that’s too far off the mark then please explain why an MP would laugh at a “permanent resident actually hanging around Gate 2”.

:scratchchin:

You forgot Japanese Citzens, tourists, ect., ect.

[Richard Burns]

Sweet. When a applied for my 2nd visa I asked to apply for PR but the dude said I need my 3rd one first but that was a couples years ago.Thanks for posting that info.

[SnaFu]

You forgot Japanese Citzens, tourists, ect., ect.

Silly people... Actually hanging out on Gate 2 of all places. :-|

[canjap02]

hat used to be the case, now its 5 consecutive years, of paying taxes, pension, and medical insurance (unless that has changed in the last 3 months), a couple of special forms, and you are done.

It used to be 3 Visa's are what gave you the five years.

But these people who work on base, come off base, go back on base, probably do not.

I can't remeber who but 1 person said they had PR, but claimed they had SOFA status 2 years ago at the same time.

Sounds about right just that you dont have to pay the japanese pension to get PR. Almost no one pays it. I have to pay it cause I work for the local goverment and its auto taken from my check (19800yen every month) Sucks money balls :thumbdown:

[abonifi1]

Sweet. When a applied for my 2nd visa I asked to apply for PR but the dude said I need my 3rd one first but that was a couples years ago.Thanks for posting that info.

As much as I hate the Jackass, debito.org actually keeps up on posting the update visa laws pretty accurately, and regularly, and in English, that used to be the only reason I went to his sight.

[abonifi1]

Sounds about right just that you dont have to pay the japanese pension to get PR. Almost no one pays it. I have to pay it cause I work for the local goverment and its auto taken from my check (19800yen every month) Sucks money balls :thumbdown:

The laws constantly change, but when I got mine,I needed to pay back years before they would issue it, now I originally recieved mine in 2003, and laws have changed alot,also when I got mine you needed 100,000 yen in a Japanese account.

[Richard Burns]

As long as Fujiyama is around there's a worthy reason to go to Gate 2.

Else which is a few blocks away is a nice place too.

[canjap02]

The laws constantly change, but when I got mine,I needed to pay back years before they would issue it, now I originally recieved mine in 2003, and laws have changed alot,also when I got mine you needed 100,000 yen in a Japanese account.

ya thats one of the main problems I run into in japan all the time. They are aways switching laws back and forth, things like visa, driver licence etc. Its a pain in the ass.

[SnaFu]

As long as Fujiyama is around there's a worthy reason to go to Gate 2.

Else which is a few blocks away is a nice place too.

Silly man... Actually hanging out around Gate 2 of all places. :crying:



Nothing wrong with that. Cosidering that the gate KOZA area was the birthplace of rock in Japan in the 1960's and 70's it's not surprising that they still have some of the best live bands playing on the island.

Maybe JU should do a story on that. George Murasaki, Condition Green and the roots of Japans hard rock scene.

If anyone thinks that at a certain age it is too old to enjoy a good live band than they can go shit in their hat and pull it over their ears.

:old:

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[P_chan]

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[Godzilla]

Taking a dump in that house would be an adventure!

Only if you were shy, It would be no problem for me. I could take a dump anywhere and in front of anyone.

[CPOCPO]

That statement could easily be construed as condescending towards anyone who hangs out on Gate 2. SOFA, foreign resident or local resident. Kind of implies that anyone who goes there don’t have a life.

If that’s too far off the mark then please explain why an MP would laugh at a “permanent resident actually hanging around Gate 2”.

:scratchchin:




Sure, I admit- a mental midget could easily construe the statement as condescending towards anyone who hangs out at Gate 2. But for anyone with reading comprehension who was reading the thread from the beginning and the context where my post was made would clearly see I was referring to those who show up at Gate 2 to make fun of courtesy patrol or even those who dislike Americans so much going out on the part of the island that the most Americans go to. Either way, I don't really care how you interpret my words and my individual opinion that gate 2 sucks (shared by many people) is not intended to imply those that go there are low lifes or whatever other words were made up. If you feel that way, that's on your own lack of self-worth and there's nothing I can do about that.

[SnaFu]

Sure, I admit- a mental midget could easily construe the statement as condescending towards anyone who hangs out at Gate 2. But for anyone with reading comprehension who was reading the thread from the beginning and the context where my post was made would clearly see I was referring to those who show up at Gate 2 to make fun of courtesy patrol or even those who dislike Americans so much going out on the part of the island that the most Americans go to. Either way, I don't really care how you interpret my words and my individual opinion that gate 2 sucks (shared by many people) is not intended to imply those that go there are low lifes or whatever other words were made up. If you feel that way, that's on your own lack of self-worth and there's nothing I can do about that.

Not only did you fail to answer the question and qualify your position with only a short and concise answer but you also shed a little light on your own character as well. You obviously felt compelled to respond. Well done!

[CPOCPO]

Not only did you fail to answer the question and qualify your position with only a short and concise answer but you also shed a little light on your own character as well. You obviously felt compelled to respond. Well done!



nevermind, I guess I'm back in Bizrraro World.

[SnaFu]

Sure, I admit- a mental midget could easily.....

But for anyone with reading comprehension.....

....that's on your own lack of self-worth and there's nothing I can do about that.



Is this kind of rebutal typical of your communication skills?

[CPOCPO]

Is this kind of rebutal typical of your communication skills?




yes.

I guess I could hold your hand and help you through all your posts that don't make any sense, but I don't have the time or inclination to do that, I'm having enough fun right now finding all the things that Bones hates.

[abonifi1]

Is this kind of rebutal typical of your communication skills?

Don't forget he's in the military, don't have high expectations.

Probably wrote while looking at his reflection in his computer screen.

[CPOCPO]

Don't forget he's in the military, don't have high expectations.

Probably wrote while looking at his reflection in his computer screen.


LOL, I have a personal mirror next to my computer screen, don't hate me because I'm beautiful :D

[SnaFu]

yes.

I guess I could hold your hand and help you through all your posts that don't make any sense, but I don't have the time or inclination to do that, I'm having enough fun right now finding all the things that Bones hates.

We all put our foot in our mouths from time to time and maybe reply to a post out of irrational emotion rather then careful reason.

I’m just curious about how making belittling comments towards others when trying to make a point reflects on ones own character. Especially after one has had time to think on it and justifies the behavior with similar behavior.

By the way... Your Bones thread is indeed entertaining. :thumbup1:

[Zim the Invader]

Now that is a fine example of people skills.

If I were approached originally with such class and intelligence then maybe the forum would not of had the privilege of viewing my favorite picture so many times.

I missed the original posting. Would you be overly inconvenienced by me asking you to post it again so I can see the cause of all the bunching panties?

[SnaFu]

I missed the original posting. Would you be overly inconvenienced by me asking you to post it again so I can see the cause of all the bunching panties?

Or at minimum a detailed description.....

[CPOCPO]

We all put our foot in our mouths from time to time and maybe reply to a post out of irrational emotion rather then careful reason.

I’m just curious about how making belittling comments towards others when trying to make a point reflects on ones own character. Especially after one has had time to think on it and justifies the behavior with similar behavior.

By the way... Your Bones thread is indeed entertaining. :thumbup1:


I apologize, I do occasionaly lack patience and resort to belittling comments for lack of reading comprehension but had you two read the original posts carefully the first time, you wouldn't need to put your foot in your mouth or post irrationally... and pointing out people's lack of reading comprehension is sort of a tradition here so i wouldn't get too worked up about it.. it can happen to almost anyone here... we can just rack it up to you having a long week and needing a relaxing weekend ;)

[Sex Wax]

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