Is the growing world population a problem?

[SnaFu]

I found this site. BS or legit?


http://www.mwillett.org/Politics/bigprob1.htm

It's kind of a long read. The first two paragraphs set the tone....

The biggest crisis facing the planet today is so big and so surrounded by delicate issues that most people will not face it. Simply put there are at least 200,000 more people alive today than yesterday. Tomorrow there will be at least another 200,000 more.

These are net figures, I am not talking about births I am talking about the average daily surplus of births over deaths. To put it into perspective there are more extra people alive each new day than died in both atomic bomb attacks on Japan.

[dk]

Build up and down, not out. Saw a cool documentary where they have begun effectively farming in skyscrapers in Singapore. Unless the idiots win, people will find a way to survive, even if it isn't pretty.

[Biru San]

I found this site. BS or legit?


http://www.mwillett.org/Politics/bigprob1.htm

It's kind of a long read. The first two paragraphs set the tone....

The biggest crisis facing the planet today is so big and so surrounded by delicate issues that most people will not face it. Simply put there are at least 200,000 more people alive today than yesterday. Tomorrow there will be at least another 200,000 more.

These are net figures, I am not talking about births I am talking about the average daily surplus of births over deaths. To put it into perspective there are more extra people alive each new day than died in both atomic bomb attacks on Japan.




In my senior years, I have learned that situations such as these are out of my control, therefore, not worthy of worry... Life is short... enjoy it... Biru San :old:

[DougP]

Not all that worried, this population pandemic supposedly should have taken the world by storm and left us to die of starvation long ago. The doomsday prophets come and go. Thomas Malthus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Malthus) once predicted the world's population would outpace food production sometime during the 19th century. Paul R. Ehrlich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._Ehrlich) predicted over population and famine would occur in last century (70's 80's). I'm sensing a pattern here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM

Human population growth rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth)
Annual population growth rate in percent, as listed in the CIA World Factbook (2006 estimate).[2]

Globally, the growth rate of the human population has been steadily declining since peaking in 1962 and 1963 at 2.20% per annum. In 2007 the growth rate was 1.19% per annum. The last one hundred years have seen a rapid increase in population due to medical advances and massive increase in agricultural productivity[3] made possible by the Green Revolution.[4][5][6]

The actual annual growth in the number of humans fell from its peak of 87.8 million per annum in 1989, to a low of 74.6 million per annum in 2003, after which it has been rising again, to 76.6 million per annum in 2007, and 77.0 million per annum in 2009. The growth rate is expected to peak in 2010 at 77.2 million per annum, then decline steadily to about 43 million per annum in 2050, at which time the population will have increased to about 9.3 billion. Growth remains high especially in the Middle East and Sub-Saharan Africa, and also in South Asia, Southeast Asia, and Latin America. [7]

Some countries experience negative population growth, especially in Eastern Europe (mainly due to low fertility rates and emigration). In Southern Africa, growth is slowing due to the high number of HIV-related deaths. Some Western Europe countries might also encounter negative population growth.[8] Japan's population began decreasing in 2005 [9]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Population_growth_rate_world.PNG/800px-Population_growth_rate_world.PNG

Yeah, not scared, I'm not even convinced every nation on the planet needs to start building up or down. Plenty of spacious nations out there with elbow room.

[shleywren]

A) its true there are a lot of people in the world, but with better healthcare and more food how can you expect there not to be?
B) dk has a point more and more countries are learning to build up not out and inventing creative ways to sustain large populations.

I don't really think its a crisis. I know there are those that would say it is. The entire tone of the article sounded let's say superior. This person thinks that population should be controlled. This writer is of the same mindset as many dictators in the world. We definitely need less of those.

If the population did grow to tremendous proportions yes indeed it would be controlled by natural causes. Sometimes you have to let nature control the course. Even if there was population control there would still be starving kids in Africa because many of the countries are unstable and ruled by dictators.

I do not agree with the two child regulation at all. Let's talk hypothetically, say a woman has twins and then even on birth control she gets pregnant again. What happens then? does the government say we're going to make you get an abortion? What if someone had triplets? Do they say we're going to abort one? Often selective reduction in multiples will kill all of the babies not just one or two. What if this woman loses all of the triplets then has to have an emergency hysterectomy due to cancer a year and a half later? This standard has caused this woman to lose any chance of having children. The amount of children someone has is their choice not the government's choice or society's choice. If a person can support their kids, no matter how many they have, it shouldn't matter how many kids they have.

We have to remember that the countries where this two child standard was introduced, for example China, were ran by a dictator. A dictator who actually said, " if someone is trying to commit suicide don't stop them because we could do without a few people." People are listening to ideas originally pitched by a murderer and saying " hey this is a good idea". Life is sacred no matter what tenant of faith or no faith you hold to.

This article also uses stereotypes to prove its point, which just isn't good practice all around. the article assumes that all mormons and all catholics have tons of kids. This just isn't true. I know plenty of catholics and mormons who have one or two kids. For catholics, strict catholics anyways, its actually part of their belief not to use birth control. When you put into act something like a two child standard, you are in fact cutting into their freedom to practice their religion. You may not agree with religion, but countries like the US were founded on the ability to worship as a person saw fit.

People are smart. They figure out amazing ways to accomodate themselves. I've seen the engineering shows about basically an entire city inside a skyscraper or on a ship. ITs amazing what people can come up with.

There will be natural disasters, there will be outbreaks of disease, but these are our history. we know this stuff happens and lots of people die. You may be thinking oh this is just unfair. Well you can't prevent an earthquake and you can't truely prevent a mutated disease from spreading. The writer of this article has this air of superiority in believing that things like this can be prevented if population control was enacted, but they can't.

To me this article sounds like a load of progressive mumbo jumbo. I can see the facts and see that the population is increasing, but this is the world, its not some program or game someone can play and control everything. People cannot control nature.

[dk]

Yeah, not scared, I'm not even convinced every nation on the planet needs to start building up or down. Plenty of spacious nations out there with elbow room.

I'm not convinced it's needed yet either, but it wouldn't hurt to get our methods inline before we have a problem. Plus, it just makes more sense, in my opinion.

[DougP]

I'm not convinced it's needed yet either, but it wouldn't hurt to get our methods inline before we have a problem. Plus, it just makes more sense, in my opinion.

Depends on where you are at. I don't think it would be necessary at all to start packing people in to high rise or subterranean apartments in Japan where the population is steadily declining and is expected to decline by 30% before or around 2050. That would be a lot of money wasted on building projects that would be virtually empty. Not to mention it wouldn't be economically feasible to maintain such facilities until the time they are needed which could be several centuries in the future.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Bdrates_of_Japan_since_1950.svg/512px-Bdrates_of_Japan_since_1950.svg.png

[Blues]

Problem Solved 40 Years ago :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0207/rpm_g_jetsons_300.jpg

[SnaFu]

Good catch Shley!

One of the things that I find most disturbing is that people of great wealth and power have used these theories to promote eugenics as a tool to "better the human race" and to ultimately promote selective breeding. Whenever I hear of theories and solutions dealing with social matters in terms of ones and zeros it sends up a red flag.

[DougP]

Whenever I hear of theories and solutions dealing with social matters in terms of ones and zeros it sends up a red flag.

lol, in more ways than one. :D

[shleywren]

BLUES......if only. Too bad we haven't gotten there yet haha Its kind of sad that was supposed to be in the early 2000s and I still don't have a flying car that can fold up into a briefcase.

[shleywren]

What is disturbing is that through the years many countries have sterilized people against their will. I'm not talking about rapists and child molesters, but groups such as jews, native americans, gypsies and many others because people like the writer of this article considered them inferior. Just like he considers poor people inferior.

[DougP]

BLUES......if only. Too bad we haven't gotten there yet haha Its kind of sad that was supposed to be in the early 2000s and I still don't have a flying car that can fold up into a briefcase.

lol That reminds me of the first episode/season 8 of Family Guy. Stewie and Brian travel to alternate universes. One of their Quantum Leaps takes them to a version of Quahog (same time same place) where everything is technologically advanced by about 1000 years. Everything is clean and on demand, even Meg looks hot. The reason this version of Quahog is so great? Christianity never existed meaning the dark ages of scientific repression never occurred and thus humanity was a thousand years more advanced. :thumbup:

[jimbob17755]

I found this site. BS or legit?


http://www.mwillett.org/Politics/bigprob1.htm

It's kind of a long read. The first two paragraphs set the tone....

The biggest crisis facing the planet today is so big and so surrounded by delicate issues that most people will not face it. Simply put there are at least 200,000 more people alive today than yesterday. Tomorrow there will be at least another 200,000 more.

These are net figures, I am not talking about births I am talking about the average daily surplus of births over deaths. To put it into perspective there are more extra people alive each new day than died in both atomic bomb attacks on Japan.
Keep it in your pants
The problem's solved!

[GODH8SU]

Yes it is. Especially when our "fearless leader" is letting anyone come across our borders.

[Richard Burns]

Will the world be fine? yes
Is the population crisis a problem? no
Will humans survive? yes

Is the world overpopulated in RB's opinion? yes

[dk]

http://localgrit.blogspot.com/2007/10/build-up-not-out.html

Part two of my series of ideas whose times have come. Today we look at what should be on the lips of every environmentalist in North America: Urban Density. If you want to know why pollution rates here are so much higher than in Europe look no further than our sprawling cities. If we are to improve our environmental sustainability, we need to make our cities more dense. Now, when I speak of density I don't mean St. James' Town. I don't want concrete tower after concrete tower that obscures all light. We need to build towers where they are possible. One of the best places to increase density is parking lots. Flat, strip mall style parking lots are a blight. A condominium tower, or a bunch of townhouses would look much better and increase density. You don't need to touch an inch of green space to do it (and nor should you). There is a plan in Toronto to replace the two story facades which dominate major streets in the downtown core with facades of up to six stories. No major difference in look, but way more space to live or work. Density also means improving urban transit systems and avoiding tax policies that encourage sprawl (like the land transfer tax just passed by the city of Toronto). We need to make it easy to live downtown.

I like his views. More green is good, too...

http://blog.highfashionhome.com/2009/01/top-10-green-architecture-projects-2008.html

Zigguarat: Dubai Carbon Neutral Pyrami

The pyramids have inspired the latest proposed, Dubai super structure. The building will be a self sustaining metropolis that can house up to 1,000,000 people. There will be a public transportation system that will mobilize people vertically and horizontally. By running off of wind, stream, and other natural resources, the structure can operate completely off the grid. The giant, eco-pyramid is already being patented and could be the future for an overpopulated world.


http://blog.highfashionhome.com/uploaded_images/timezig2-781981.jpg

http://blog.highfashionhome.com/uploaded_images/timezig1-781915.jpg

Badass.

I'm not here to argue whether it's necessary right now. I'm here to say that it is definitely more aesthetically pleasing to build housing and business up and down instead of out rather than dumping nothing but concrete for as far as the eye can see. My guess is it's probably better for the environment as well...

I don't have much time to argue. These are my views. Enjoy the pics.

[Jazz]

I saw something similar on Discovery. They were talking about how Tokyo would possibly be made into a pyramid city in the future that would protect them from the earthquake/tsunami predicted to one day level the city. I'd be nervouse in there though I think.

http://localgrit.blogspot.com/2007/10/build-up-not-out.html



I like his views. More green is good, too...

http://blog.highfashionhome.com/2009/01/top-10-green-architecture-projects-2008.html

Zigguarat: Dubai Carbon Neutral Pyrami



http://blog.highfashionhome.com/uploaded_images/timezig2-781981.jpg

http://blog.highfashionhome.com/uploaded_images/timezig1-781915.jpg

Badass.

I'm not here to argue whether it's necessary right now. I'm here to say that it is definitely more aesthetically pleasing to build housing and business up and down instead of out rather than dumping nothing but concrete for as far as the eye can see. My guess is it's probably better for the environment as well...

I don't have much time to argue. These are my views. Enjoy the pics.

[dk]

Although the population may be on a decline, Tokyo's population seems to be on a steady increase. What to do, what to do...

http://www.citypopulation.de/Japan-Tokyo.html

I wonder if the others are as well. May research later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_population

[Lowerdeez]

Problem Solved 40 Years ago :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0207/rpm_g_jetsons_300.jpg

I kinda wanna watch the Jetsons now...

[Richard Burns]

Too much population is bad. Too much competition for jobs, more poverty, larger classroom sizes, etc.

It is a bigger problem than simply building up as opposed to out.

[dk]

Build more classrooms. Create more jobs.

[Richard Burns]

Build more classrooms. Create more jobs.

But you'll end up with more peon jobs created, jobs paying less, more schools = increase in taxes but people will be making less.

[dk]

Don't wanna be a peon? Adapt.

[Richard Burns]

Don't wanna be a peon? Adapt.

It's not as simple as that. You have to understand that some people are just not smart.

The more population will lead to more big business exploiting the masses.

Government, medical care, justice system are all controlled by big business. The increase of population will only be more indentured servants trapped in a system designed for one to fail.

Look at the American infrustructure now. A high school graduate can't get shit. Because so many people got Bachelors degrees that a Bachelors became the new "high school diploma".

Upon graduation you can either join the military, go to college or be a looser unless you're a genius or are just lucky.

[dk]

Jobs are only going to get more technical. It doesn't take a brainiac to program a VCR. Things are getting more technical but simpler at the same time. Either learn and/or adapt or deal with it. Resistance is futile. Assimilate. :D

[kombu_kid]

It's not as simple as that. You have to understand that some people are just not smart.

The more population will lead to more big business exploiting the masses.

Government, medical care, justice system are all controlled by big business. The increase of population will only be more indentured servants trapped in a system designed for one to fail.

Look at the American infrustructure now. A high school graduate can't get shit. Because so many people got Bachelors degrees that a Bachelors became the new "high school diploma".

Upon graduation you can either join the military, go to college or be a looser unless you're a genius or are just lucky.

Boy, ain't that the truth......I wish there were less people on this planet, but I don't know how they're going to accomplish that, unless there is some giant incentives thrown out. I agree somewhat with what else RB says here......imagine if 7-11 style businesses took over (in a lotta ways they have) so there are very few entrepreneurs out there.....it would suck. Sure, anybody can be an entrepreneur, but it's pretty hard to get it off the ground, not to mention trying to pay for health insurance, insurance for the business etc. Nothing is simple anymore.

[dk]

Nothing is simple anymore.
Look at IT. Security used to be a CHAPTER on how to write strong passwords...

[dk]

And seriously, what kind of jobs SHOULD people with just a high school degree deserve vs. someone with a more technical education? Should they be doctors? Should they be engineers?

I know, it depends on the individual, but people pursue education in hopes for more possibilities and opportunities, not just to have a higher probability at getting a job than the kid who is lacking.

[Richard Burns]

And seriously, what kind of jobs SHOULD people with just a high school degree deserve vs. someone with a more technical education? Should they be doctors? Should they be engineers?

I know, it depends on the individual, but people pursue education in hopes for more possibilities and opportunities, not just to have a higher probability at getting a job than the kid who is lacking.

Factory Work used to be readily avalible and paid people a decent amount. Now those jobs are overseas more and more are disappearing.

I'm NOT saying people should get 6 figure salaries with a HS diploma. But jobs should at least pay enough to survive.

[Richard Burns]

The other thing where America is ******* up is too many academic high schools and not enough vocation/technical high schools.

In my city back home we have 3 academic high schools, 1 vocational/technical high school and 3 alternative high schools.

If you ask me there should be more vocational/technical high schools. Teach kids a trade. Teach them how to be mechanics, electricians etc so when they graduate they can make a decent living.

[dk]

The other thing where America is ******* up is too many academic high schools and not enough vocation/technical high schools.

In my city back home we have 3 academic high schools, 1 vocational/technical high school and 3 alternative high schools.

If you ask me there should be more vocational/technical high schools. Teach kids a trade. Teach them how to be mechanics, electricians etc so when they graduate they can make a decent living.
Vice teaching them how to learn so they can actually choose to be something other than mechanics and electricians? lol

Are they going to make Geology high schools? Nursing high schools? Doctor high schools? Astronaut high schools? Genetic engineering high schools?

[Trail]

The other thing where America is ******* up is too many academic high schools and not enough vocation/technical high schools.

In my city back home we have 3 academic high schools, 1 vocational/technical high school and 3 alternative high schools.

If you ask me there should be more vocational/technical high schools. Teach kids a trade. Teach them how to be mechanics, electricians etc so when they graduate they can make a decent living.

Yes, breed and teach a legion of peons. Vocational HS leads you to no where. Ask my husband. Yes, you learn life skills but nothing more than if you were to get a job after school in that particular field.

My two cents, work a corresponding job in HS in what ever field you plan on going into. Carry it on through college if you can. That experience will give you a leg up on those rivals in your field since you have both knowledge AND work experience when they may very well have just went to school for the job. Make sure you have outstanding references as well.

[dk]

Factory Work used to be readily avalible and paid people a decent amount. Now those jobs are overseas more and more are disappearing.

I'm NOT saying people should get 6 figure salaries with a HS diploma. But jobs should at least pay enough to survive.

Don't worry. Where it's effective, people are starting to bring jobs back (Dell is one company I can think of off the top of my head...).

If you are being replaced entirely by someone in China making $0.25 a day, maybe it's time to think about your life. lol

[dk]

My two cents, work a corresponding job in HS in what ever field you plan on going into. Carry it on through college if you can. That experience will give you a leg up on those rivals in your field since you have both knowledge AND work experience when they may very well have just went to school for the job. Make sure you have outstanding references as well.
:thumbup:

We need an applause icon.

Yes, I understand that not all jobs are open to allowing some HS student to try, but there are some that are. I know that the bases are nowhere near the poverty line, but when I was 14 I had a summer hire job typing up documents for the Army Corps of Engineers. They wrote it by hand, I typed it, they photocopied it... Gave me a chance to work with computers, and it also gave me a chance to discover that their work computers had several games installed as well. :D

[Trail]

I think working as a teen vs. sitting on your ass gives you more realistic expectations of the adult/working world as well. My daughter WILL have a summer job whether she likes it or not. Be it her being hired by a company or base or I make a job for her at home.

Add:
Work can start before HS as well. Ever hear of paper routes?

[dk]

I think working as a teen vs. sitting on your ass gives you more realistic expectations of the adult/working world as well. My daughter WILL have a summer job whether she likes it or not. Be it her being hired by a company or base or I make a job for her at home.

Add:
Work can start before HS as well. Ever hear of paper routes?
Ever hear of Summer Hire?

[Trail]

Ever hear of Summer Hire?

I was under the impression that summer hire was middle school/high school aged kids. You can get a paper route when you're six provided your parents help you out.

[dk]

I was under the impression that summer hire was middle school/high school aged kids. You can get a paper route when you're six provided your parents help you out.
My daughter doesn't need a job that young... Geez... 14 is good enough. She's going to be working the majority of her life anyway. Gosh, let kids be kids...

[dk]

Depends on where you are at. I don't think it would be necessary at all to start packing people in to high rise or subterranean apartments in Japan where the population is steadily declining and is expected to decline by 30% before or around 2050. That would be a lot of money wasted on building projects that would be virtually empty. Not to mention it wouldn't be economically feasible to maintain such facilities until the time they are needed which could be several centuries in the future.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Bdrates_of_Japan_since_1950.svg/512px-Bdrates_of_Japan_since_1950.svg.png

Neat chart.

http://www.asiarooms.com/travel-guide/japan/tokyo/tokyo-overview/tokyo-population.html#


Since ancient times, the city has been one of the most densely populated cities of the country. Though it occupies only 0.6% of the total area of Japan, the population density is nearly 5,655 persons per square kilometers, thereby making is one of the most populated cities of the world. As on October 1st, 2003 the population of the city stood at 12.369 million.

Tokyo population are continuously increasing, as a result of its growth and industrial development. This heavy increase of its population has resulted in the expansion of the city in recent years.

They may be dropping like flies, but they're still looking to the big cities for jobs.

If we can find a way to more effectively make use of land in cities maybe we can find a way to preserve a little bit of natural beauty rather than just dumping miles and miles and miles and miles of concrete.

[Trail]

My daughter doesn't need a job that young... Geez... 14 is good enough. She's going to be working the majority of her life anyway. Gosh, let kids be kids...

I've known kids that young that WANTED a paper route (my cousin) and he worked that just up until middle school when I became uncool. I see nothing wrong in the job if the kid wants to do it but I wouldn't force my young child to work a paper route.

He was a lucky bastid since he had allowance money for chore plus his paper route money as well. He always had the coolest bikes and what not.

[Richard Burns]

Paper routes pay so low it's unreal. I'd argue it's exploitive. Plus who reads the paper anymore?

The way vocational high school works where I'm from is 2 terms are academics and 2 terms are vocational. You can still go to college after graduation but also have a skill.

If my kids want a job that's cool. But if not they will still get what they want and need because school and chores are their jobs and if they are getting good grades and they do what they're told they're gonna get what they need and want with in what I can provide.

[Trail]

Paper routes pay so low it's unreal. I'd argue it's exploitive. Plus who reads the paper anymore?
We read the paper and I like my paper boy so he gets tipped every other month and gets $20 for Christmas. So... if I am doing that, how many others many be doing it. Now compare the "low" pay to what a normal six-twelve year old makes... exactly! Something is better than nothing.

As far as vocational schools go, I don't care how you're state works it since ours worked it the same. Most that take "advantage" of it ended up at dead end blue collar jobs since that's all they know and it's what they are comfortable with. A legion of peons.... breeding more peons to fill their shoes.

Without blue collar/peon job though, there would be no "big money" or corporations. Lower-middle class workers make the world go around.

[Richard Burns]

Blue Collar does not necesarily = peon.

Mechanics
Plumbers
Electricians
Carpenters
Masons
Fork lift operators

Are all blue collar and make a lot of money. This culture of making everyone go to college is what weakend the value of the Bachelors degree because too many people have them and it became the standard as oppose to an asset.

There was a time when someone had their Bachelors and that was bad ass. Now it's becoming just the minimum.

That's not as good as it seems.

[Richard Burns]

Btw I'm PRO education and I'm all about advocating education.

But not everyone is cut for college.

[dk]

That's not as good as it seems.
I hear you, and I disagree. :D

[DougP]

They may be dropping like flies, but they're still looking to the big cities for jobs.

If we can find a way to more effectively make use of land in cities maybe we can find a way to preserve a little bit of natural beauty rather than just dumping miles and miles and miles and miles of concrete.

And? I don't see anything about it growing in terms of total land area. Essentially, they are packing more people into the same square mileage. I figured this is what you were suggesting. Building up or down will allow you to pack more people into a much tighter grid, which is what is already happening in Tokyo (not the building down part). It doesn't appear that they are dumping miles and miles of concrete, just packing more people into the city. I'm not surprised that the population is still growing in the cities. As the population of a nation shrinks, it first declines in non-metropolitan areas and then in the cities.

I'll concede that as cities grow they need to look for innovative ways to adjust infrastructure to adapt to a growing population. As I said before, it depends on the location. Some cities across the globe may require building up or down, as you put it. The Earth and its overall population, however, I do not see this as the case. There is plenty of room to still grow out rather than up or down is many areas.

I suppose its easy to think we are over populating the planet when you live in a city like Tokyo or a densely populated area like here. If you've ever driven 8 hours and all you saw was miles and miles of trees, its hard to imagine we are anywhere near in need of such drastic measures. Maybe some cities need them or will need them, but I just don't think the planet as a whole requires it anytime soon. When Mongolia starts to look like Tokyo, maybe then I'll be scared. :D But that's probably a few thousand years away. :thumbup1:

[dk]

I'll concede that as cities grow they need to look for innovative ways to adjust infrastructure to adapt to a growing population.
This is the only point I am here to make. I do not think we have a population crisis. I think we have a problem that may eventually need to be solved. If we ever get to the point where we cannot build out any further, build up or down. The end.

I think by taking some of these extremely densely populated cities and finding a way to better distribute housing/offices/etc, we can actually improve quality of life. At this moment, if we were to pursue Build Up Not Out, it would be purely for quality of life.

I think we're in agreement and you're looking for something to pick apart again. lol

[Richard Burns]

I hear you, and I disagree. :D

Hey, no comments from the computer chip gallery. Don't you got some super cool codes and programs to develop or whatever you eye tee people do. :old:grin:

[dk]

Hey, no comments from the computer chip gallery. Don't you got some super cool codes and programs to develop or whatever you eye tee people do. :old:grin:
It's lunch break. Don't you have a floor to mop, Oxican? lol

[Richard Burns]

It's lunch break. Don't you have a floor to mop, Oxican? lol

Somebody's gotta do it. :D

[Richard Burns]

But it'll get done 30 minutes late and that's at top speed.

[dk]

But it'll get done 30 minutes late and that's at top speed.
I accidentally took a shit on the floor in the bathroom. Can you take care of that too? :D

[DougP]

This is the only point I am here to make. I do not think we have a population crisis. I think we have a problem that may eventually need to be solved. If we ever get to the point where we cannot build out any further, build up or down. The end.

I think by taking some of these extremely densely populated cities and finding a way to better distribute housing/offices/etc, we can actually improve quality of life. At this moment, if we were to pursue Build Up Not Out, it would be purely for quality of life.

I think we're in agreement and you're looking for something to pick apart again. lol

The only thing I may be in disagreement with, is the part that we have a problem that eventually needs to be solved. If by eventually you mean within the next 500 or so years, then I suppose you're right. Not exactly a high priority task though.

Improving the quality of life for those in metropolitan areas is a nice goal, albeit a lofty one. Many moving parts to that machine. This ain't Sim City and their are no cheat codes for unlimited budget. Finding a way to distribute housing/offices/etc isn't as doable and realistic as the idea leads one to believe. I guess I'm just looking at the costs (availability of private investment, materials) possibility of law suits/disputes like eminent domain etc etc. Again, depends on where we are at. Its kinda like when you got on Muku's case earlier for not being specific enough, lol. :D We gotta find ways to make the world a better place and improve quality of life! lol I mean, come one, if I or anyone else was speaking that vaguely about Eye-Tee you'd be all up in our grills. :w00t:

[Richard Burns]

I accidentally took a shit on the floor in the bathroom. Can you take care of that too? :D

Nope. I'll send my team in. I'm a head janitor now. :thumbup:

[dk]

The only thing I may be in disagreement with, is the part that we have a problem that eventually needs to be solved. If by eventually you mean within the next 500 or so years, then I suppose you're right. Not exactly a high priority task though.
Yep, I am talking about hundreds of years from now, not next week.

[DougP]

Yep, I am talking about hundreds of years from now, not next week.

Great, that means there's time to unwind and have a few beers. So what the heck are you so uptight about? :w00t::D

[dk]

We gotta find ways to make the world a better place and improve quality of life! lol I mean, come one, if I or anyone else was speaking that vaguely about Eye-Tee you'd be all up in our grills. :w00t:
Bullshit. If you were to tell me that C# code is all sorts of insecure and needs to be fixed and gave examples of how it could be realistically done, I'd be all ears.

I don't have all the answers for how to come up with the funds for a building project this size, but there are people doing very real research on how to go about such things. Maybe we should just tell them that their education has been wasted and they really should just go back to the factories.

[dk]

Great, that means there's time to unwind and have a few beers. So what the heck are you so uptight about? :w00t::D
I'm not uptight. You responded. I responded.

You should know by now that I love SF. My mind is always 10-15 years out (or more).

[DougP]

My mind is always 10-15 years out (or more).

Well, if you see my mind out there, tell it to come home. :thumbup:

[DougP]

Bullshit. If you were to tell me that C# code is all sorts of insecure and needs to be fixed and gave examples of how it could be realistically done, I'd be all ears.

I don't have all the answers for how to come up with the funds for a building project this size, but there are people doing very real research on how to go about such things. Maybe we should just tell them that their education has been wasted and they really should just go back to the factories.

I'm not doubting that people are researching about these things but I have yet to see anything remotely close to funding planning for building a mega Eco-pyramid and others like it. Obviously a lot of thought and research is going into the technology and creativity aspect but I have seen little on how such things will be undertaken and accomplished economically. Not saying they aren't out there but I am saying, show me. :D

Now if we're talking about building modifications like retrofitting for more efficient energy use, newer technologies being implemented in building projects, yeah they're out there but they're obviously fiscally feasible. :)

[SnaFu]

OK... So back to the original post... I guess it ranks as bullshit....

[dk]

I'm not doubting that people are researching about these things but I have yet to see anything remotely close to funding planning for building a mega Eco-pyramid and others like it. Obviously a lot of thought and research is going into the technology and creativity aspect but I have seen little on how such things will be undertaken and accomplished economically. Not saying they aren't out there but I am saying, show me. :D

Now if we're talking about building modifications like retrofitting for more efficient energy use, newer technologies being implemented in building projects, yeah they're out there but they're obviously fiscally feasible. :)
You're the money guy. Fix the financial crisis, and then I'll show you the people who have needs. It's not my financial crisis. lol

[dk]

Well, if you see my mind out there, tell it to come home. :thumbup:

Will do.

Beer o' Clock. Or Thirsty Thursday. Kan-Mother*******-Pai!

[Richard Burns]

The population growth is a problem and that's that. Denial ain't a river in Egypt.

[SnaFu]

Maybe I'll move to some jungle in SE Asia. Build a bamboo hut with a small elephant to ride into town. Have some killer bud growing outside my window and some toppless eurasian native teenie boppers to keep my pipes well maintained.

I may not live as long but damn!!!! What a life while it lasts!

[Sex Wax]

I wouldn't worry too much about overpopulation, the H1N1 Flu is gonna wipe out a bunch of people. :rolleyes:

[SPMF#1]

I say we take out the canadian first (it would lesson the population a little at least).
The previous satement was a joke, genicide is bad...very bad...

[TheLastDon]

I thought the world was going to end in 2012 anyways.

[DougP]

I thought the world was going to end in 2012 anyways.

Maybe even the day after tomorrow! “Excelsior!” :grin1:

[Sex Wax]

Maybe even the day after tomorrow! Stan Lee says: “Excelsior!” :grin1:

Fixed it for ya !! :w00t:

[SnaFu]

We're going to pass thru the photon belt. ooooooooooooooo.......

And our minds will leave our bodies. oooooooooooooo.........

Then we will all wake up in TJ with a bottle of tequilla in one hand and a cheap ho around our other arm with a plate full of belly bomber tacos.

[DougP]

Fixed it for ya !! :w00t:


That's right bitch, Excelsior!
http://application.denofgeek.com/images/gb/ks/mallrats2.jpg


Excel spreadsheets!
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[Tanimaga]

Screw everyone. Tani's makin babies!

[SnaFu]

The population problem is just a dream. Passs the tequilla.

Bahahahahaha.....