What Kinda Beer Do you Drink?

[Oxmix]

I happen to like Japanese beers. The Beer that I like the most, that I can buy locally, is Tiger Beer from Singapore. I wish I could get Orion locally.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/Oxmix/TigerBeerbutton.jpg

Regards

Ox

[Muku]

I like Orion as well, however my all time, (current:D) favorite is Kirin Ichiban Shibori!

I have come to prefer Japanese beer vs US stuff. To me the average US beer, Miller, MillerLite, Spudweiser are all watered down and have no taste.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

All the main Japanese brands are ok. Stay away from the happoshu. Disappointed with the new Kirin Stout. No bite at all. It's an ok dark beer, but it's no stout.

[P_chan]

I'm a fan of kirin ichiban. Orion isn't too bad either.

I'm still a fan of fat tire ale. Too bad I can't get any over here.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I'd agree with Uchinamuku that most US mass-produced beers don't have much taste. Japanese major brand beers are similar to Canadian major brand beers. I think the Europeans make the best beers, even their mass-produced stuff seems better (like Heineken). Altec is a decent place to find a wide varitey of beers. The one down in Oroku close to the Akamine Yuirail Station is good. Any other places to find a large international selection?

[Fonze]

Orion is OK. Never tried the kirin ichiban but I prefer a corona with some lime and salt. When I was younger and heavy drinker I use to like kamakaze coronas or super coronas.

[dk]

What Kinda Beer Do you Drink?
Whatever's available!

I'm with you guys about American beer though. Just tastes so watered down. I'll drink anything Japanese. Used to drink Rolling Rock and Jamaican Red Stripe in college in the states.

I'm really not that picky, but I love a good beer when it's available.

3000!!!

[Muku]

I used to drink Elephant beer when I was younger.....:w00t::w00t:

Stay away from the happoshu
What is worse is what is called the "Dai san biiru". It is licensed as a liquer, brands include Orion Southern Star :barf::barf::barf: and more :barf::barf::barf:

After the first "real" beer Kirin's Nodogoshi isnt too bad, and if one is drinking for volume it's a hell of a lot cheaper than "real" beer.

@160 yen for a 500ml can of Nodogoshi vs 260 to 300 plus for cans of the real stuff

[Fonze]

Must be like 211 in the states it's cheap and will get you drunk. My remember my uncles would drink cobras or colt 45's

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

What is worse is what is called the "Dai san biiru". It is licensed as a liquer, brands include Orion Southern Star :barf::barf::barf: and more :barf::barf::barf:

After the first "real" beer Kirin's Nodogoshi isnt too bad, and if one is drinking for volume it's a hell of a lot cheaper than "real" beer.

@160 yen for a 500ml can of Nodogoshi vs 260 to 300 plus for cans of the real stuff
Yes, Nodogoshi is a daisan biiru, isn't it? It uses soy protein in place of malted barley. These "third beers" are even worse than happoshu (which contains up to 66% malt, though many are as low as 25%), since they are not even made from grains. Peas and other ingredients are used as substitutes. It's cheap, but gives the worse hangovers, and can't hold a candle to real beer for taste.

[Asshat]

These "third beers" are even worse than happoshu (which contains up to 66% malt, though many are as low as 25%), since they are not even made from grains.

Also, businesses without a beer license can serve it legally.

[ryukyuboi]

I don't drink beer. Do you beer drinkers like Michelob?

[Fonze]

Yes, Nodogoshi is a daisan biiru, isn't it? It uses soy protein in place of malted barley. These "third beers" are even worse than happoshu (which contains up to 66% malt, though many are as low as 25%), since they are not even made from grains. Peas and other ingredients are used as substitutes. It's cheap, but gives the worse hangovers, and can't hold a candle to real beer for taste.

And people know they are drinking aged vegatables and don't mind or are they cheaper? Who know next they'll substitute broccoli or tomatoes unless they already do somewhere.

[hardplayer]

I drink Bud.

[Muku]

Yes, Nodogoshi is a daisan biiru, isn't it? It uses soy protein in place of malted barley. These "third beers" are even worse than happoshu (which contains up to 66% malt, though many are as low as 25%), since they are not even made from grains. Peas and other ingredients are used as substitutes. It's cheap, but gives the worse hangovers, and can't hold a candle to real beer for taste.

Actually Nodogoshi is one of the Happoshu and not the dai san biiru which I agree are nasty. :barf:

Kirin Nodogoshi (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/292/25476)

Kirin.Co.Japan Nodogoshi (http://www.kirin.co.jp/brands/nodogoshi/index.html)

[Muku]

I drink Bud.
I'm sorry:-| :D:D

First time I ever got drunk, and :barf:, was after drinking Bud. Never drank it again.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Actually Nodogoshi is one of the Happoshu and not the dai san biiru which I agree are nasty. :barf:

Kirin Nodogoshi (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/292/25476)

Kirin.Co.Japan Nodogoshi (http://www.kirin.co.jp/brands/nodogoshi/index.html)
I disagree. Go to the Product profile page (http://www.kirin.co.jp/brands/nodogoshi/prod.html). Take a look at the ingredients. Hops, saccharides, soy beans, and "flavor". No malted barley. Not beer nor happoshu. But thanks for playing:D

btw, Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happoshu) has a nice little wrap-up if you're interested.

[Muku]

I disagree. Go to the Product profile page (http://www.kirin.co.jp/brands/nodogoshi/prod.html). Take a look at the ingredients. Hops, saccharides, soy beans, and "flavor". No malted barley. Not beer nor happoshu. But thanks for playing:D

btw, Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happoshu) has a nice little wrap-up if you're interested.

It is happoshu according to Kirin. ホップ・

Happoshu (発泡酒 happōshu), or low malt beer, is a Japanese beer-like beverage with less than 67% malt content. The alcoholic beverage is popular amongst consumers for having a lower tax than beverages that the nation's law classifies as "beer."

[Muku]

The difference in the definition of "beer" and "happoshu" (sparkling, low malt beverage) derives from the "type of liquor" classification of the Liquor Tax Law, according to two conditions, namely, (1) the raw materials used, and (2) the ratio of malt used.

To be classified as beer, ingredients are limited to malt, hops, rice, corn, kaoliang, potato, starch, or sugar, as defined under "beer" in the Liquor Tax Law, and the ratio of malt contained should be greater than 67%.

The classification of a liquor as "happoshu" occurs when an ingredient other than malt, hops, rice, corn, kaoliang, potato, starch, or sugar is used, or if the malt ratio is less than 67%. The liquor tax for happoshu is set in the three stages corresponding to the ratio of malt contained, so that the tax for happoshu with a malt ratio of less than 50% becomes much less than the tax for beer.

http://www.brewers.or.jp/english/images/graph1.gif

[Muku]

発泡酒 ,はっぽうしゅ (1) sparkling wine; (2) low-malt beer

Definition of Daisan Beer

The third-category beer is the name of a new kind of alcoholic beverage. It tastes like beer, but is brewed from ingredients other than malt. But why don't they just use malt and make real beer? Well, in Japan, alcohol tax for beer is based on the percentage of malt used, and not the percentage of alcohol. So the less malt is used, the less tax is imposed. To make the price cheaper, the third-category beer uses various ingredients such as peas, soybeans, corn and so on, instead of malt.

Before the third-category beer was introduced in 2004, there were two categories for beer-like alcoholic beverages: one was of course traditional"beer" made from malt, and the other was "happo-shu (sparkling beer)" made using a smaller amount of malt. So the new alcoholic beverage without malt, or with just a little bit of malt was named "the third-category beer." Since its release, the third-category beer has been popular among beer- lovers, who like enjoying the taste of beer but at a cheaper price. Sales of the third-category beer tripled this summer compared to the previous half-year period, while sales of beer decreased.

Kirin Nodogoshi is classified as Happoshu. Btw, I called.....:D

But thanks for playing You 2:D

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

All the stuff you wrote was wrapped up quite nicely in my link.:)

Kirin's English homepage calls it "Kirin Nodogoshi Nama, the new genre phenomenon". The Japanese homepage calls it その他の醸造酒 発泡性, or "other liquors (carbonated)". It's right on the can, man.

Happoshu is "low malt", not "no malt"...

Hops are not barely, dude!

Pwned by your own link!!!

In case you missed it on your link, nowhere does it say happoshu. And, it also has your precious Nodogoshi under "new genre", not "happoshu". See http://www.kirin.co.jp/products/beer/index.html

[Muku]

All the stuff you wrote was wrapped up quite nicely in my link.:)

Kirin's English homepage calls it "Kirin Nodogoshi Nama, the new genre phenomenon". The Japanese homepage calls it その他の醸造酒 発泡性, or "other liquors (carbonated)". It's right on the can, man.

Happoshu is "low malt", not "no malt"...

Hops are not barely, dude!

Pwned by your own link!!!
Like I said I called them......:D

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

No worries mate! You wanna get owned again, come on back, y'hear!

[Muku]

No worries mate! You wanna get owned again, come on back, y'hear!

Well like I wrote I called Kirin to make sure.

Kirin's rep told me that technically Nodogoshi is classified as a happoshu and not a Daisan Beer.

If they wouldnt know than I dont know who would....and it's evident that two people discussing it on an internet forum werent sure either.

So if you want to think I got "owned"..what ever makes you feel good, happy to make your day :D

[Oxmix]

The thing that upsets me is that I can walk into the liquor store and choose from 100 imported beers and Orion isn't among them. I have tried to get Orion to no avail. If I wanted to go to California or New Jersey I could buy it. Minnesota has goofy beer tax laws. Any beer that is not made in the state is taxed $1500.00. The local distributor told me that it doesn't pay to bring anything less than a container of beer into the state.

If there is anyone out there that has a connection with an Orion executive, have him push Orion to Minnesota beer distributors.

I can get. Asahi, Kirin Ichiban, Saporo and another brand that I can't recall the name of right now. I use to be able to get San Miguel but that dried up 2 years ago.


Regards

Ox

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Well like I wrote I called Kirin to make sure.

Kirin's rep told me that technically Nodogoshi is classified as a happoshu and not a Daisan Beer.

If they wouldnt know than I dont know who would....and it's evident that two people discussing it on an internet forum werent sure either.

So if you want to think I got "owned"..what ever makes you feel good, happy to make your day :D
I bet you did. They got people just waiting by the phones after hours to answer customer queries. According to their own website (http://www.kirin.co.jp/customer/), the customer service line closes at 5 p.m., and Nodogoshi is separate from the happoshu. You wanna be right, but hoping just doesn't make it so. So you invent a fantasy to try and trump the facts. Sure, it's a petty argument, so why not accept defeat gracefully. If you'd really called, you'd have posted a name and number, but in your haste to pull a card out of your sleeve, you forgot the smoke and mirrors. I've toured three Kirin breweries on the mainland - Hokkaido, Yokohama, and Nagoya. I wonder why they didn't call it happoshu? You think I'm pulling this stuff outta thin air?:rolleyes:

[DoctorP]

Wow...looks like someone has been drinkin' the stuff tonight huh?:rolleyes:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Wow...looks like someone has been drinkin' the stuff tonight huh?:rolleyes:
Yeah, I'm passionate about booze:cool:

I just think if UM was a graceful loser, he'd a just gone with the last bit - " So if you want to think I got "owned"..what ever makes you feel good, happy to make your day", but instead he had to try and cover his ass, and make like he called the company, even though it was already after hours and he'd been proven wrong by the very link he provided. Get yer ass handed to you that bad, and I guess you just can't walk away...

[ja_Patriot]

If you’re a guest, you drink what the host offers. I’d take an ice-cold Orion draft anytime. Along with Asahi, Sapporo or Kirin. You go to a Vietnamese restaurant, you have to try “333”. French, Kronenbourg. German, Lowenbrau, St. Pauli-Girl, etc.

Japanese beer is full a world of semantics. The more you associate the brew with the words “malt” or “beer”, the more tax component you pay for your drink.

At the risk of antagonizing some here, I’d say, properly chilled in a frosted, unmarked glass, they all taste almost the same, especially after the 3rd or 4th mug, don’t they? At the end of the day you ask, how much malt content does American or any other non-Japanese beer have anyway? I know Michelob introduced something called “World Malt” which was a flop.

If I were to choose which beers I’d enjoy occasionally, I’d say I’d go for:

- Bud, because when you drink Bud, it tastes like Bud and reminds you of a faraway home.

- Schlitz. My favorite when I was younger and when I met my wife. Cheap but distinctive taste.

- Heineken. Corona. No. 1 & 2 best sellers in the world for good reason.

- San Miguel. The pleasant bitterness.

- Fosters and a bar-b. or even Four XXXX (Brisbane).

- Dos XX (Mexico), Presidente (Dominican), Brahma & Bohemia (Brazil). Drinkable non-stop if ice-cold.

- Bass Ale, Molson, Rolling Rock, Red Stripe (Jamaica), Yuengling (my son’s favorite when he was at UM). Interchangeable and good.

- Guiness and any English stout. Tusker (Kenya). Best drank room-temp in a pint with 2 inches of head, “to give you a bigga kick in the backside, masta”.

What I probably won’t enjoy as much:
Any Indian beer i.e. Kingfisher.
Kalik (Balamas), Flag (French West Africa)
Bud light, Miller light. Anything “light” but obviously just watered down.

Now I’m really thirsty.

[Galina]

You know your beer!! I drink Miller Light :thumbup:

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

At the risk of antagonizing some here, I’d say, properly chilled in a frosted, unmarked glass, they all taste almost the same, especially after the 3rd or 4th mug, don’t they? At the end of the day you ask, how much malt content does American or any other non-Japanese beer have anyway? I know Michelob introduced something called “World Malt” which was a flop.

Now I’m really thirsty.
I'm rather enjoying your various posts. In answer to the question of malt content, let's take Germany as an example. They have laws in place (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot), though things have been loosening up lately. Most of the world's more popular brands are made with barely or wheat. Take Corona (http://www.paradisefoundonline.com/site/745816/page/270592), or Heineken (http://www.heinekeninternational.com/products_brands_brewing_beer.aspx). Now let's look at Bud:
The use of rice as an ingredient in making beer is not without precedent. In fact, low quality rice is a common ingredient in beer. “Budweiser is 60 percent rice,” said Mr. Scholz. “They invented the term ‘Brewer’s Rice,’ which is basically the cheapest, leftover broken rice you can find. All cheap yellow beer is made with rice or corn because it is one third of the price of barley.”http://www.thefoodsection.com/foodsection/2005/02/the_best_thing_.html
Most Euro-beers, which I think set the standard (especially in mass produced varieties) use malted barley, though wheat beers are popular in summer.

Sadly, many American, Canadian, and Japanese beers contain corn syrup or corn starch to boost the alcohol content and/or to sweeten the final product. The same crap used in soft drinks. Guiness, with its natural ingredients has one of the lowest caloric content of any beer, despite a strong flavour.

Try here for a good look at beer and bbq:
http://www.briansbelly.com/
Prost! Okotoberfest begins!! I shall return!!!

[dk]

This thread is killing me... I want some beer and ribs right now... :(

[TheNoNamedOne]

Yea, when I was just looking at the title, I though there were just a bunch of guys in here back slapping about their favorite beers. But it was an actual debate on beer with someone schoolin' someone, and another making stories about calling to get questions after hours.

Funny. lol.

[Tempestuous]

Eh, I don't do beer at all, they all smell/taste unappetizingly rancid to me, so you all can just keep whatever kind it is that you think is so appetizingly wonderful. :barf::barf::barf::barf:

[Muku]

I bet you did. They got people just waiting by the phones after hours to answer customer queries. According to their own website (http://www.kirin.co.jp/customer/), the customer service line closes at 5 p.m., and Nodogoshi is separate from the happoshu. You wanna be right, but hoping just doesn't make it so. So you invent a fantasy to try and trump the facts. Sure, it's a petty argument, so why not accept defeat gracefully. If you'd really called, you'd have posted a name and number, but in your haste to pull a card out of your sleeve, you forgot the smoke and mirrors. I've toured three Kirin breweries on the mainland - Hokkaido, Yokohama, and Nagoya. I wonder why they didn't call it happoshu? You think I'm pulling this stuff outta thin air?:rolleyes:

Believe what you want to believe ...I know who I talked to you guys dont. Doesnt matter that it was after hours either. I've been on this island and in this country long enough, and in certain business's long enough to know people, I am not going to give particulars, just say read my post a little closer.

Ya'll jump to conclusions too quickly, once again if you want to know something ask questions instead of making assumptions.:rolleyes:


Sure, it's a petty argument, so why not accept defeat gracefully. If you'd really called, you'd have posted a name and number, but in your haste to pull a card out of your sleeve, you forgot the smoke and mirrors.

Your words not mine...you wonder why I refered to you as someone else here?

[Muku]

I will clarify one part of the following statement for clarities sake here;

Well like I wrote I called Kirin to make sure.

Kirin's rep told me that technically Nodogoshi is classified as a happoshu and not a Daisan Beer.


I called someone from Kirin.....I apologize for the confusion. Mea culpa.

[Honduh]

In the states, its a budwiser draft.

In Okinawa, Orion and most of them I enjoy.

Im not a 'dark' beer drinker though...so pretty much as long as its not 'dark' then I will drink it.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

http://www.kirinholdings.co.jp/english/ir/news_release060112_1.html
New Genre
In 2005 this market witnessed huge expansion and grew to comprise 16% of the total beer, happo-shu and new genre market. In April 2005 Kirin launched Kirin Nodogoshi and within six months it had secured top position in the market. Sales volume reached approximately 28 million cases for the year, and in its first year Nodogoshi Nama became one of Kirin's biggest-ever hit products after Kirin Ichiban Shibori and Tanrei Nama. In 2006, we will respond to customer expectations and fine tune the brand, realizing a more distinctive flavor with a finer head, while aiming for further growth in a brand that is symbolic of Kirin's dynamism.

http://www.wordworks.jp/index.php/weblog/comments/launch-campaign-for-kirin-nodogoshi-name-mcei-bulletin-no-448-may-2006/consuming_japan/
Now is the era of the “Other miscellaneous (2)” beer-like “third beers” that contain no malt at all. But how are they being marketed? The 2005-2006 MCEI Marketing Excellence Award goes to Kirin Nodogoshi-nama.

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/apr2006/gb20060424_057534.htm
In the past year, Kirin has outsold rivals with a new drink called "new-genre beer" or "third beer." Unlike traditional brews, third beer uses no malt in the brewing process. Instead, brewers use protein from fermented soy beans to get a beer-like taste...But what explains Kirin's dominance of the market for the new brews? After all, rivals Asahi, Sapporo, and Suntory all brew happoshu and third beers. One factor is taste. Although experts say the new brews lack the depth and richness of regular beers, Asai says Kirin's Nodogoshi tastes better than rivals' offerings. "Asahi's third beers taste watery compared to Kirin's..."

http://www.realbeer.com/news/articles/news-002494.php


Like happoshu before them, these so-called third-category beers take advantage of a preferential tax rate to deliver beerlike flavor without the price tag of a regular lager.

The emergence of the new drinks owes much to the drop in demand for happoshu - the low-malt beer that was the brewers' first attempt to circumvent Japan's alcohol taxes - when its price went up after a 2003 tax hike.
Third-category drinks take advantage of a new way round Japan's alcohol taxes, and are selling so well that all the big brewers have had to enter a market created last year with the launch of Sapporo (http://www.realbeer.com/cgi-bin/realbeer/cust_redir.cgi?1463&http://www.sapporousa.com)'s Draft One - a beerlike drink made from peas, rather than the malt and hops used in normal beer...In April, Asahi will launch Shin-Nama while Kirin will offer Nodogoshi Nama. Both drinks are made from soybeans and will sell for the same price as the Sapporo (http://www.realbeer.com/cgi-bin/realbeer/cust_redir.cgi?1463&http://www.sapporousa.com) product.



http://www.infomapjapan.com/whatsnow.phtml?pid=200512
First came beer, then the the low-malt happoshu (lit. carbonated liquor). The "third beer," the latest thing in Japanese alcoholic beverages, takes further advantage of the Japanese alcohol tax law. A beverage is taxed as "beer" if the percentage of malt in its fermentable ingredients by weight is over 67%. For a 350ml can of beer, the tax is 77.7 yen, whereas the same volume of happoshu, which utilizes less than 25% malt, is taxed 46.99 yen. The new generation of beer-like beverages use protein from peas or soybeans instead of malt, which puts them in the even lower tax category of "liqueurs and miscellaneous alcoholic drinks." This makes their retail prices 10 to 20 yen less than happoshu. Available at any convenience store-try one today...KIRIN Nodogoshi Nama ]In pursuit of a new, full-bodied taste, Kirin Breweries extracted peptides and amino acids from the soybean, and using their unique "Browning Process," combined them with sugars and heated them to produce the crisp, bold taste.

http://www.bravis.com/en/project/e28.html

Bravis recently designed the new package for Nodogoshi-Nama, Kirin Brewery, Ltd.’s new offering in the so-called third beer category. Nodogoshi-nama uses a unique browning technology to produce a drink that is uniquely refreshing, and also offers great depth of taste.
Bravis’ package design communicates Kirin’s confidence in the new product through a ’seal of quality’ or ‘hallmark’ motif. One month after its launch in the spring of 2005, Nodogoshi-Nama had seized a 37% share of the third-category beer market, and was riding high as the segment’s leading brand.

[roxy_skyy]

Heifewizen....I also like half beer & half coke.

[Muku]

It appears not only from the posts that eele has made here but upon further research on my part today as well that an apology needs to be made for my mistake in calling Nodogoshi as a Happoshu instead of appropriately calling it one of the DaiSan Beer's.

If I am guilty of anything it was trusting in the information that a long time friend gave me during a telephone conversation last evening, vs information placed here last night in posts by eele. My friend and I will have a friendly chat over a few "real" beers in the next couple of days and I will have to explain to him that because I believed him I ended up showing my ass here.:o

You were correct sir and I was wrong. Thank you

[DocTurtle]

I'm a Guinness fan myself. I also like XXXX and Tooley's.
I've tried a lot of the Japanese beers and they just don't do it for me. They taste too much alike or they taste just like the american beers (Bud, MGD, etc.) I like the dark lager. Something smooth and not carbonated and bubblely tasting, hence Guinness :) mmmmm, gonna have to get some tonight for the BBQ :D

[coldnoodles]

I have tried several Japanese beers but it was like drinking water - no taste!

I prefer Corona with some lime and salt.

[DocTurtle]

Corona is a good beer. Nice taste, especially with lime.

[L.S.D.]

If I can afford it Asahi Super Dry
Most of the time since wifey pinches pennies Orion Mugi Shokunin

[Muku]

Tonight it's Ichiban Shibori and lots of it:D :D

[DougP]

If I can afford it Asahi Super Dry
Most of the time since wifey pinches pennies Orion Mugi Shokunin

Hmm Mugi Shokunin... Wonder if that's any cheaper than the Orion Southern Star I drink. :D Man not only am I cheap when I go to the store to buy beer but I'm always checking the dates. Looking for the 上　下　or 中:D beer that was made over a month ago is not cool in my book anymore:thumbdown:

[Cathleen_38]

Orion Beer is my all time favorite besides San Miguel. I used to get sloshed on those two beers. And i would have an occassional Grape Ape bowl from Eddie's place. until I got my drink laced. I watched everything and everybody.
no 5 dollar dances for me anymore. Michi knows. Mojo juice was the bomb. I would come in and order those huge cheeseburgers from her all the time when I was hungry. they were like shredded cheese on them. Michi was the bartender at Eddie's Place and Rock America. she would always look at me and give me a slight dirty look whenever she had to make those cheeseburgers but she did it anyways because she knew how much l loved them. She was cool and she saved me the night I got laced. I'll never forget her for what she did for me. And that means alot.

I told you, I don't forget anything. Not even the people who did that to me.

[P_chan]

If it's got alcohol, it's good to me:D

I'm not a picky beer drinker. I usually drink whiskey anyways:D

[Brett23iu]

MILLER LITE beer of Champions

[Skiman1969]

God I am going to miss Weizen beer mainly Erdiner, http://www.erdinger.com . Got a couple cases on the way for me. It is really funny after 12 years in Germany, how many Americans come to Germany and drink nothing but Bud and Miller Lite. :barf: They are so watered down and full of chemicals. Not saying all German beers are great but much better than anything we make. Belgians have some awesome beers also! O'bye the way Budweiser is a cheap knock-off of Budvar from the Czech Rep, http://www.budvar.cz/en/web/Znacka-Budvar/Historie-Budvaru.html . :D

[Bones]

Bitte Ein Bit'!!!

Best beer that I've ever tasted, IMHO, Bitburger Pils. The real stuff, not that washed down brew that you'll find at the Class 6. And you can only appreciate that in Bitburg, Germany.

Even Orion Southern star, is better than Miller Lite. I'm only drinking that since it's on sale at the moment.

NBTP

[P_chan]

My brother was always a big fan of bitburger once he was in germany. I never had the privilege to try the real stuff.

[a_bjyrd]

Orion is OK. Never tried the kirin ichiban but I prefer a corona with some lime and salt. When I was younger and heavy drinker I use to like kamakaze coronas or super coronas.

What are kamakze or super coronas?

[Bones]

Originally posted by P_Chan:

My brother was always a big fan of bitburger once he was in germany. I never had the privilege to try the real stuff.

Well, I would suggest that when it's time for you to update your "Dream Sheet", pick Spangdahlem Air Base, in Germany, as one of your choices. Bitburg Air Base has been de-activated, but the housing area over there are still being used by Spangdahlem. The Bx over there is still open as well, the bases are only about 12 kilometers apart.

NBTP

[Medama_Oyaji]

gotta go with coors light and blue moon. the coors brewery was very nice to us while we were in colorado.

[Skiman1969]

Not a big Bitburger fan too bitter. My wife says it is Eifel pisswater. But then again she likes Warsteiner. :scared:

[Fonze]

What are kamakze or super coronas?

It's when you take about 1 to 2 ounces of beer out of the Corona and add hard liquor. I can't remember if it was Gin or Vodka, but you could add almost any hard liqour to make it a super corona.

Is their a drink called a Kamakaze? If so that's the one you add to it.Pretty good stuff though.:thumbup1:

[haisai]

King of Beer, Kirin Ichiban!! bottle is good but Draft is much better:)

[iAmtheMovie]

There really is no other way to have beer outside of draft, at least not for me.
Literally.
I just can't drink beer from a can or bottle, I'll stick with liquor.

[Oxmix]

I like the taste of beer when drunk from a bottle. The same beer will, to me, have a different taste when I pour it into a glass and drink it. Has anyone else noticed this or is just me?

Regards

Ox

[kombu_kid]

Oh sure. It'll be a snowy day in hell before I bring home a 12-pack of beer in a can. As far as what I drink, it's always Corona or Dos Equis. What can I say? It's a California thing. If I go out to a bar or club though, I usually get dark German beers or a Guiness ale. My wife won't drink them, so we just go with the Coronas at home.

[Just VP]

My favorite type of beer is free beer. My second favorite is cheap beer. Then after that I like a good German Pilsner (Draft).

[OkinawaStud]

My favorite type of beer is free beer. My second favorite is cheap beer. Then after that I like a good German Pilsner (Draft).


My two favorite words next to "Open Bar."

[Just VP]

I would love to find the mythical establishment "Open Bar....Free Beer"

[happily_married_1206]

im sorry but i like bud light... or miller light... i just grew up on american beer, once you go there...nothing else tastes right... well for me!

[swindland]

I like heiniken. that is the only beer i can stand and i'm more of a mixed drink person.

[Oxmix]

Fosters is a pretty good bear!!!
Does wonders for the eyes after about 8 :D125

That gal got that way by drinking too many Fosters. :eek: LOL

Regards

Ox

[Oxmix]

Fosters is a pretty good bear!!!
Does wonders for the eyes after about 8 :D125

That chubby gal got that way by drinking too many Fosters. :barf: LOL

Regards

Ox

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

The locals in Australia consider Foster's to be a woman's drink. Any red blooded Aussie bloke would drink VB and Boag's. Maybe some Tassie Cascade. Definitely Hahn Premium. Even XXXX and Emu Export is better than Foster's. Just barely.

[DougP]

XXXX and VB were pretty good beers from what I remember:)

[TheLastDon]

Chimay Bleue (Blue) or Rouge (Red) is good for nice change of pace. It can get you drunk quick but it feels different than getting drunk off regular beer. Also I like Guinness for the same reason but only from the tap. But I am not picky I can drink any other beer as long as it is ice cold.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Not sure about you, but I find ice-cold beer numbs the sense of taste, and makes every beer taste about the same. Cold is nice for light beers meant for drinking in hot weather, ice-cold is kinda like loading a cup of coffee with a lot of cream & sugar--->makes them all taste the same.

http://www.realbeer.com/library/beerbreak/archives/beerbreak20000921.php
http://www.webtender.com/handbook/beer.html

[Isaak Brodsky]

Anything on tap at Helios on Kokusai Dori. Besides that, nothing.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Anything on tap at Helios on Kokusai Dori. Besides that, nothing.
Yeah, it's a good place. I like their brewery/restaurant down in Nambu. I find the weisen good but a bit sweet, and the black beer and lager average. The pale ale is excellent, though. Not really a fan of the goya beer, but maybe if matched up to the right snack it would be better. They had a nice seasonal red ale last fall. I better stop by and see if they're making it again.

[Isaak Brodsky]

Yeah, their beers rock the house - probably the entire neighborhood.

They also have fantastic side dishes.

[Tony Stacks]

Cornona or Heineken all day!!

<edit> But every now and then I love a Red Horse or San Miguel Light

[mikersoft]

When I arrived back in the states 12 years ago, I began checking out micro (craft) brews introduced to me by a friend. Since then, I've become a full blown beer nut! I love many varietys (IPA, Brown, Red, Stout, Belgian, etc). I spent a week in Belgium this past spring. Wow, some really great beers there.

It's interesting how I get a "taste" for a particular style once in awhile. An IPA may be exactly what I need one day, but other times an Imperial Stout hits the spot perfectly.

My current favorite is Double Simcoe IPA (http://www.weyerbacher.com/cwo.php?id=7&page_id=46)from Weyerbacher Brewing in PA. It's like an orgasm for my tastebuds! :thumbup:

-Mike

[FDokinawa]

yea, I really miss micro beer.. finally found a place over here that has a couple of microbrews in.. But nothing on The Yard House in cali.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

The local conbini finally got it's first batch of Yona Yona Ale in. They seem to stock it for only a month or two every winter.

http://www.seekjapan.jp/article/jz/1085/Beer+of+the+Month

[okisteve]

I'll try it, but when did beer become "she", or either gender for that matter?

[mikersoft]

The local conbini finally got it's first batch of Yona Yona Ale in. They seem to stock it for only a month or two every winter.

http://www.seekjapan.jp/article/jz/1085/Beer+of+the+Month

I've had that. Pretty good..:thumbup1:

-Mike

[watzitoou]

Currently drinking I think its called Asahi Zeitaku Biyori - something like that, my friend said it was a luxury drink..don't know what that is suppose to mean, but this beats Corona!!

[P_chan]

I never understood why people like corona so much.

I personally prefer a kirin orginal brew or ichiban tei. I'll also drink budwiser from time to time.

Now if the beer is free, it doesn't matter what kind it is!

[Bones]

Helios used to be good, not sure if it's still around. :old:

NBTP

[P_chan]

Yeah helios is still around, the brewery is still here too.

[Oxmix]

I never understood why people like corona so much.

Corona is for people who like skunky tasting beer. :D

Regards

Ox

[Jrocka83]

The best Beer I have ever drank is Hasen Brua(Hazel Brew):first:, made in Augsberg, Germany. :thumbup:Good Stuff:thumbup:.. Nothing gets better then drinking beer in Germany. But once its exported it doesnt taste as good anymore. Lowen Brua is good shit too:thumbup:, but the exported brew sucks:barf:.. I don't know why.. Maybe they just export their shittiest batches.http://www.users.bigpond.com/anne.foss/beermaid.jpg
http://www.waikiki-beachparty.de/Firmenlogos/Hasen%20Braeu.gif

[retributionnk]

My personal favorite beer has got to be Boddington's, among other british pub ales. As for Asian beer, I like Qingdao (Tsingtao) the best. It's one of the best pilsners I've ever had the pleasure of drinking.

[okisteve]

I think Belgian beers are in a class by themselves. Expensive, but I'd buy some if I knew where to get here.

[Jrocka83]

Currently drinking I think its called Asahi Zeitaku Biyori - something like that, my friend said it was a luxury drink..don't know what that is suppose to mean, but this beats Corona!!
Most Japanese Beers are preaty damn good:thumbup1:, I much rather drink almost any brand of Japanese beer then American Piss water.

I never understood why people like corona so much.

Corona is not that bad with a lime and some rock salt. That's what I drink most of the time, when I go out to the clubs. Beers like corona are meant to be abused:old:, not like fine beer. Fine beer is for chill'n. If you party with fine beer, you will ruin the full flavor enjoyment of fine beer drinking. Mass produced beer serves only one purpose; to get drunk:barf:.

I think Belgian beers are in a class by themselves. Expensive, but I'd buy some if I knew where to get here.

I agree, Belgian beer has it's own special flavor. I forget what brand I was drinking in Belgium, but it was good. The hash 'eesh was good to:rolleyes:... There cherry beer is preaty good.
I don't care to much for the belgian strawbeery or passion fruit beer, though, wich you can find at ALtech here:thumbdown:.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I used to drink a cherry infused Belgian beer when living on the Japanese mainland. Oh man, was that the best dessert...ok, nearly the best dessert:D

I must say the Augustiner I had in Bavaria rates among the very best. Toured the Erdinger brewhouse, and have to say they weren't too shabby either.:)

[TheLastDon]

Shimay or chimay is the best!

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

France lover!

[Crazysix]

Must be like 211 in the states it's cheap and will get you drunk. My remember my uncles would drink cobras or colt 45's
Damn Now that is Ghetto:thumbup:

Remember Mickeys 40 oz????

[Jrocka83]

Micke's...:thumbup:. Now that is a good American Beer.. I am personally a fan of Old E.. as well. Slam a 40' of Old E, and you will be nice and tosted..:thumbup:

[okisteve]

Shimay or chimay is the best!
French Not! It's Belgian -- isn't it?

[okisteve]

I'm sorry:-| :D:D

First time I ever got drunk, and :barf:, was after drinking Bud. Never drank it again.

And I have a similar aversion to Rainier Ale, aka Green Death.

[Jrocka83]

Well, Alot of Belgiums are french..:ohmy:. There is alot of French and Dutch there.. Actually, It is either your a French are Dutch in belgium. However most of the state procliams themselves to be Dutch.

Three languages are spoken in Belgium; Dutch is the primary and state language, Flemish is a dialect of Dutch but is more French then Dutch, and then French.

The pollitical battle betweened the self-proclaimed french and dutch, is manifesting belgian. They should just make Flemish(the language in between) the official language, being there is no belgian language, and settle there problems..

Chimay, is produced in both belgium and france, becuase of trade obsticles it is also brewed in france. But, yes Chimay is a belgian beer, It originates from Chimay, Belgium.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

You are both right. The name and language surrounding the beer are French, but the brewery was founded in Belgium. The Trappist order of monks originated in France, and Chimay is a brew in the Trappist tradition. Either way, good bière. I myself don't consider "France lover" to be derogatory...those coming from the land of Freedom Fries may differ.

[Oxmix]

One of my customers just dropped off a large bottle of Harbin Lager off for me to try. Guess I've got my work cut out for me tonight. :D

How many of the Asian members here get the Red Face and hot feeling from drinking alcohol? My wife and oldest son both do. Does this reaction keep you from drinking or do you just go ahead and drink anyway?

Regards

Ox

[mikersoft]

How many of the Asian members here get the Red Face and hot feeling from drinking alcohol?

Haha. That happens to my wife. She doesn't drink much at all, because she doesn't like the "buzzed" feeling.

One time we were having dinner at the Kadena NCO club and I went to the bar for a couple drinks. She wanted a virgin strawberry daiquiri. I brought her back the real thing. She wasn't very happy with me once her cheeks started glowing red. :w00t:

I know it wasn't a cool thing to do, but I was young :p

-Mike

[mikersoft]

I much rather drink almost any brand of Japanese beer then American Piss water.

Yep, the massed produced swill sucks. However, with the boom in craft brewing, there are now more good brands of American beer than bad ones.

It's a great time to be a beer lover! :thumbup:

-Mike

[mikersoft]

I think Belgian beers are in a class by themselves. Expensive, but I'd buy some if I knew where to get here.

I spent a week in Belgium last spring. It was the best week of beer in my life!

-Mike

[Go-Shay]

Home brews are great like a Belgium triple bock:thumbup: It's low cost to start your own, and with a little bit of effort it all pays off. The problem is that you never want to drink the massed produced stuff anymore so you have to get buddies that brew also :thumbup::thumbup:

[okisteve]

I asked for info a while back about getting brewing supplies on the island but didn't get any replies.........

[Crazysix]

Micke's...:thumbup:. Now that is a good American Beer.. I am personally a fan of Old E.. as well. Slam a 40' of Old E, and you will be nice and tosted..:thumbup:
Dont forget about DA BULL:w00t:

[Go-Shay]

I asked for info a while back about getting brewing supplies on the island but didn't get any replies.........
beer, beer and more beer (http://morebeer.com/) they have everything and ship FPO/AP no problems

[Dark_Ronin]

miller lite ( ^ ^ ; i know it taste like crap, but we have to keep the weigth standars

[Jrocka83]

beer, beer and more beer (http://morebeer.com/) they have everything and ship FPO/AP no problems

Ive thought about taking up Home-brewing as a hobby for a while now.. I think maybe I should start out with one of the cheap starter systems first before moving on to the more professional and expensive brewing systems.. They have a 5 gal. begginers sytem for 69$:thumbup:. Maybe when i retire in the future I can move on to 20 gal. fermenters. but for now I will stick with the cheap 5 gal'ner.

Does any one know any Micro-breweries in Okinawa, or resturaunts or pubs that brew there own beer?

Micro-brew is great:thumbup:.

[okisteve]

jrocka - I was just at Helios Brew Pub on Kokusai dori last night. They brew their own and I like most of the types. They have a winter red ale now that's really nice.

Anyone who would like to take pity on someone who doesn't have APO privvies? We could make a combined order.

[Go-Shay]

jrocka - I was just at Helios Brew Pub on Kokusai dori last night. They brew their own and I like most of the types. They have a winter red ale now that's really nice.

Anyone who would like to take pity on someone who doesn't have APO privvies? We could make a combined order.

They (Helios) also have a nice little micro-brew pub in Nago

[Crazysix]

miller lite ( ^ ^ ; i know it taste like crap, but we have to keep the weigth standars

Yeah the way that crap taste, I d rather run 6 to 10 a day

[okisteve]

All "Lite" beers are a bad joke anyway.

[Jrocka83]

I much rather not drink at all then drink lite beer if I was concerned about my weight..\:-)

[jerky656]

I happen to like Japanese beers. The Beer that I like the most, that I can buy locally, is Tiger Beer from Singapore. I wish I could get Orion locally.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/Oxmix/TigerBeerbutton.jpg

Regards

Ox
If there is a Trader Joe's food store near you, give em' a try. The Trader Joe's in Newport News Va. has Orion fresh from Okinawa. It's 3.99 for a large bottle, but hell you pay more than that for one draft on Gate 2 street!

[Oxmix]

If there is a Trader Joe's food store near you, give em' a try. The Trader Joe's in Newport News Va. has Orion fresh from Okinawa. It's 3.99 for a large bottle, but hell you pay more than that for one draft on Gate 2 street!

I've heard talk that Trader Joe's may be coming to my area. Thanks for the heads up.

Regards

Ox

[Asshat]

I brewed as a hobby for a few years. My worst batch was better than anything in the PX.

Having said that, mass-produced US beers are not supposed to be "that" great. What the goal is for the brewmaster is to create an IDENTICAL brew each time. That is much more difficult than producing a "good" beer. The customer needs to know exactly what he is buying when he chooses that label.

Make no mistake, all major breweries have an R&D brewery staffed by the best in the buisness. The American pallet (after all, the wankers drink LITE beer!) is not ready for quality over known quantity.

I would be more than happy to assist anyone with home brewing, answer questions, etc. It is a great hobby.

[dk]

I would be more than happy to assist anyone with home brewing, answer questions, etc. It is a great hobby.
I wouldn't mind getting into something like this. What kind of costs would I be looking at to start out with this as a hobby?

[okisteve]

I wouldn't mind getting into something like this. What kind of costs would I be looking at to start out with this as a hobby?

Does it take any kind of temperature control? I'm thinking it might be hard in the summer, just when the beer is really needed!

[Asshat]

I wouldn't mind getting into something like this. What kind of costs would I be looking at to start out with this as a hobby?

It depends on the refridgeration you choose. You need something that can be temp. controlled, and is large enough for at least one fermenter. Fermenter is 6.5 gallons. No use in brewing smaller than that.

The rest of the gear will cost you about 200 US. You also need to decide to bottle, or keg. That changes cost too. I bottled before. Next time I will keg because bottling is time-consuming.

As was mentioned earlier, look up Beer Beer and More Beer. I used to order from them. I also did syrup brewing, since I didn't want to mess with buying mugi locally, milling, etc.

[macker]

I was looking into doing my own brewing too. As I got completely toasted reading up on it, I decided it would be better if I didn't make my own...

[Go-Shay]

Does it take any kind of temperature control? I'm thinking it might be hard in the summer, just when the beer is really needed!
no just keep it (fermentation tank) out of direct sunlight or better yet in a ground level closet

[mikersoft]

I enjoyed an awesome triple IPA during a trip to CA last week - Russian River's Pliney the Younger (http://russianriverbrewing.com/web/limited.html). Very, very good. My buddy and I decided to hit the same restaurant/bar two nights in a row to get more of this fine brew. Too bad we didn't discover it earlier in the week. I have a feeling we'd have been there every night. I agree with all the positive reviews (see links below). If you find yourself in CA (bay area) during the months of Feb-Mar., seek this one out.

-Mike

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/863/7971
http://www.ratebeer.com/Ratings/Beer/Beer-Ratings.asp?BeerID=43181

[Jazz]

Anyone see any IPA here in Oki anywhere? I check Altek occasionally even asked them to order, still haven't had an IPA in Oki.

I love Sierra Nevada, Petes Wicked Ale, Rogue, Fat tire, Petes Strawberry
Blonde.

One they do have at Altek is Delirium Tremens from belgium. Label has colorful dancing elephants and crocs. It's like 9% alc. and pretty expensive. Surprisingly good for the high alc content........

[Sex Wax]

I'll be drinking this tomorrow!
http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/ohe/library/drugs/greenbeer.jpg

[Sex Wax]

But normaly, if i am drinking beer, and i'm buying, i will get one of these:
http://www.beer-pages.com/images/orion.jpg
http://www.grogandgruel.co.uk/Images/beers%20images/dark%20isle.gif
http://www.cityshowcase.co.uk/upimages/spons/redstripe%20logo%20compressed.jpg
http://www.neonsign.com/eng_lightedsigns/images/johncouragewoodsign.jpg

:thumbup1:

[applejacks]

I love a pint of guinness but if that can't be had, then a nice hefeweizen. I need to make a beer run after reading these posts.

[Trail]

Kirin Ichiban or Kirin Premium

[I Am Luna]

I like King Cobra Malt Liquor but when it comes to beer...
Anything local. & corona.

[Sex Wax]

Of course, if i'm ready to roll with my boys...its Colt 45 Malt Liquor!!!!!
http://www.thewavemag.com/images/articles/7001-8000/7390.jpg

http://www.vidiac.com/video/1802cb72-9a89-4fb9-86b6-0c68615e74de.htm

[proudtobnotpc]

Free Beer Works For Me

[shawncot]

Little Kings!!

[okisteve]

Of course, if i'm ready to roll with my boys...its Colt 45 Malt Liquor!!!!!
http://www.thewavemag.com/images/articles/7001-8000/7390.jpg


So good with shrimp fried rice!!!

[gunny8511]

I enjoy any beer that has the word beer somewhere on the label.

I certainly enjoy Orion, and many of the stouter American brews. I still drink some of the lighter American beers, but I always manage to bring home a six pack of something else as well.

San Miguel (Philippines) is pretty good too (and cheap). Yuengling is one of my favorite American brews, but is only available on the east coast...they need to start selling here in Oki.

Everybody has some pretty well established personal preferences when it comes to beer. I'll be the last person to look down my nose at someone because of the beer that they drink.

Anybody ever have that beer from back in the day that had a plain tan label and just said "BEER" on it?

[proudtobnotpc]

BREW your own damn it, its not hard

[shawncot]

Bud Light works too!!

[gunny8511]

BREW your own damn it, its not hard

I've been giving that a LOT of thought lately. I think I'll wait until I'm back in the states though; easier to get stuff shipped to me, and I'll certainly have more space.

[thatguy4]

Fat Tire is something I think everyone should try. It is an ale so it is a little darker and heavier but it is smooth. Just thiking about it makes my mouth water. I am not too big a fan of local beers because they sit heavy in my stomach. Is there a lite local beer? If I have to drink orion I will take the green label thanks.

[Blues]

I don't like beer, but liqour is fine with me: Rum, Vodka, Soju, Sake, etc.

[Jazz]

Ipa.......

[Sex Wax]

I'm still waiting for dk to bring me some beer.................

[Zarathustra]

Fat Tire...Mmm MMm mm!

[jin1481]

Orion all the way, can't find it back home in the states though. Use to go to a place with 50yen Kirin happy hour, so i ruined kirin for myself.

[hankypanky]

Orion all the way, can't find it back home in the states though. Use to go to a place with 50yen Kirin happy hour, so i ruined kirin for myself.

Anything that cheap is pisswater. If you want the real stuff u have to pay. Orion is not cheap. Those adds for 50 yen/100yen are mostly bottom of the barrel 25-50% beer. Need to taste Honto Nama Beru!!:thumbup: